[cctalk] Re: Any Burroughs B5000/A Series NEWP programmers out there?

2024-12-18 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
There may be a Burroughs alumni group in the Phila area, it was big around here in the 60/70s Bill On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 2:08 PM Alan Perry via cctalk wrote: > > Hey, > > Did any of you do NEWP programming on Burroughs/Unisys A Series systems? > > I will be attempting to put together some pres

[cctalk] Re: Passing of T. Kurtz

2024-11-16 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
> > > > > > > > On 11/15/2024 8:49 PM, Mike Katz wrote: > >> Which "The Book" are you talking about. > >> > > > > BASIC PROGRAMMING Second Edition By John G. Kemeny and Thomas E. Kurtz > > > > Is there any other authority on BASIC? > > > > bill > > > > Kurtz came to VCF East, did a talk, and gave o

[cctalk] Re: Ward Christensen NY Times Obituary

2024-11-01 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
For a few year VMS was the OS of the "internet". I remember wondering in 1991 or 1992 if UNIX would still be around by 2000 On Fri, Nov 1, 2024, 4:42 PM Johan Helsingius via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > UNIX might have been unobtainium in your home, but a lot of BBS's > used UUCP to

[cctalk] Re: GE Mark I/Mark II Timeshare Systems

2024-10-27 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
Rick I believe they used straight-up Dartmouth BASIC, but maybe that's obvious and does not need to be stated. I have a paper tape exercise saved by someone who took intro training in use of the system, with the intro brochure materials, etc. When I printed the paper tape it contained BASIC code

[cctalk] Re: Ward Christensen (BBS, XMODEM) has died

2024-10-14 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
If you get the chance, go to youtube to watch the Jason Scott documentary on the BBS. There is a lot of good history including Ward Christensen interviews. He is the co-inventor of the BBS not the sole inventor IIRC. Bill On Mon, Oct 14, 2024 at 1:00 PM donald donaldwhittemore.com via cctalk < c

[cctalk] Re: Dysan Alignment and Performance Testers

2024-10-02 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
On Wed, Oct 2, 2024 at 10:20 AM Jonathan Chapman via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > What do people use to align a shugart drives? > > The appropriate alignment diskette, an *analog* oscilloscope, and a > program to step the drive around and load heads. For most drives, that's a > PC an

[cctalk] Re: Dysan Alignment and Performance Testers

2024-10-02 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
On Wed, Oct 2, 2024 at 10:01 AM geneb via cctalk wrote: > On Wed, 2 Oct 2024, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: > > > I assume it's not easy to copy alignment disks, but I guess I will find > out. > > > > It's actually not possible to copy them. Not for any &quo

[cctalk] Re: Dysan Alignment and Performance Testers

2024-10-01 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
ht back to life from damages I used an almost new commercially > produced disk for > A half-arsed "Alignment". Interchangeability is, of course, not ideal. > > -Original Message- > From: Bill Degnan via cctalk > Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2024 8:53 PM > T

[cctalk] Re: Dysan Alignment and Performance Testers

2024-10-01 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
like to find something for My Shugart 851s! > > Mark > > -Original Message----- > From: Bill Degnan via cctalk > Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2024 8:24 PM > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> > Cc: Bill Degnan > Subject:

[cctalk] Dysan Alignment and Performance Testers

2024-10-01 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
I have accumulated various Dysan testers, disks and manuals. Does anyone still use these? I dont recall anyone mentioning use of this tool set but obviously Dysan sold a lot of their testers Bill

[cctalk] 93448PC ROM tube

2024-10-01 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
I have a tube of 93448PC ROMS labeled as such: 502991-01 4000-41FF 502991-02 4200-43FF 502991-03 4400-45FF 502991-04 4600-47FF 502991-04 4600-47FF 504236 PAL RM-DPS 1600-14FF 1 unmarked Any guess as to what these went to? Anyone recognize these numbers? Commodore B Series? Throwin' a hail mary

[cctalk] Re: auction starting in 50 minutes

2024-09-12 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
Yes, but a Christies certificate of authentication is a gold standard. On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 9:39 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > >> I wonder if anyone has done a study of high-profile auction sale prices > vs > >> apples to apples contemporary sales prices (ebay, etc) of the same item. > >>

[cctalk] Re: auction starting in 50 minutes

2024-09-12 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
Oops phone autocorrect..provenance is the correct term. B On Thu, Sep 12, 2024, 9:01 PM Bill Degnan wrote: > I wonder if anyone has done a study of high-profile auction sale prices vs > apples to apples contemporary sales prices (ebay, etc) of the same item. > Paul Allen's [item name] will alway

[cctalk] Re: auction starting in 50 minutes

2024-09-12 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
I wonder if anyone has done a study of high-profile auction sale prices vs apples to apples contemporary sales prices (ebay, etc) of the same item. Paul Allen's [item name] will always sell for more that Joe Schmo's [item name]. Buyer can forever say this was Paul Allen's [item name]. The provide

[cctalk] Re: Punch card info

2024-09-09 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
IBM 1951-54 IIRC. I have a few early punch and reader docs. They span from just after WWII and into the early 701, 704, 650 days On Mon, Sep 9, 2024, 11:20 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > On Mon, 9 Sep 2024, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: > > > There is a 47 tape to card punch

[cctalk] Re: Punch card info

2024-09-09 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
There is a 47 tape to card punch On Mon, Sep 9, 2024, 10:04 PM Sellam Abraham via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On Mon, Sep 9, 2024, 2:58 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk > wrote: > > > > > The 447? stand-alone interpreter did reasonably high speed > interpret/print > > > Perhaps you mean the

[cctalk] Re: LCM auction

2024-08-29 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
> > > Maybe we need a new law, we will call it Allen's law and it is directly > related to Moore's law. As computers become obsolete faster and faster > the space, time and money to preserve them increases respectively. > > > ooo! That's good! Bill

[cctalk] Re: LCM auction

2024-08-23 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
On Fri, Aug 23, 2024 at 8:07 AM Christian Liendo via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On Mon, Aug 19, 2024 at 5:28 AM Wayne S via cctalk > wrote: > > I think this sale might propel computer collecting into a parallel > market now occupied by car collectors. > > In car collecting, not all

[cctalk] Re: MS-DOS

2024-08-20 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
> > > > I picked up a bare bones 68000 single board computer, and the only OS is > is a hacked CPM/68000 version in C. Any guess what compiler/assembler > was used back then and on what host? Does one have sub directories? > > > What does the Sage II use?

[cctalk] Re: LCM auction

2024-08-16 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
One was on ebay and sold a while back. They're more common than a LINC or Varian mini,etc. On Fri, Aug 16, 2024, 9:08 AM Christian Corti via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On Thu, 15 Aug 2024, Mark Linimon wrote: > > I dare to bet it's the last one. Anywhere. > > Why? I know of at lea

[cctalk] Re: Schematic or PCB layout for MAI Jolt

2024-08-07 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
He is on linkedIn. There is scant info on the JOLT. You may have more luck with the super jolt. 6502 Micro Journal may have useful detail. I will.have access to the kennett classic library next weekk, and I can check then if you dont have any leads before that. I know there are at least some o

[cctalk] Re: RR Auctions Apple Auction Aug 22 2024

2024-08-07 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
all the spare FlipChip > boards, all the paper tapes and documents. Looks like quite a find; if I > were at all a PDP-8 person I'd be seriously interested. > > paul > > > On Aug 7, 2024, at 9:52 AM, Bill Degnan via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

[cctalk] Re: RR Auctions Apple Auction Aug 22 2024

2024-08-07 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
I wish the pdp8 lot photos were more targeted to the 8 itself. No pick of the system extended from the rails, no pick of the core memory, no pick of the backplane On Wed, Aug 7, 2024, 7:28 AM Christian Liendo via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > There was a discussion about RR Auctions a

[cctalk] Anyone near Los alamos NM?

2024-08-05 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
Computer rescue opportunity came in through vintagecomputer.net. northstar horizon. Contact me through vintagecomputer.net use contact form, ask for details. Thanks Bill

[cctalk] Re: VCF-West

2024-08-01 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
I asked a woman if she was dating anyone, and she said yes. So I said great, if you date anyone you'll date me then too On Thu, Aug 1, 2024, 2:41 PM Ali via cctalk wrote: > > > https://vcfed.org/contact-us/ > > There doesn't seem to be an exact contact for VCF-West so I sent an email > to the g

[cctalk] Re: the 1968 how to build a working digital computer

2024-07-19 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
I should add, the paperclip computer was a mechanical computer, not an analog computer in the 50-60's sense of the term. b On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 2:05 AM Bill Degnan wrote: > Steve > You ask a lot of good questions. > The story is pretty well documented. There was a company that made a > comme

[cctalk] Re: the 1968 how to build a working digital computer

2024-07-19 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
Steve You ask a lot of good questions. The story is pretty well documented. There was a company that made a commercial version of the computer described in the book https://blog.adafruit.com/2013/05/08/how-to-build-a-working-digital-computer-out-of-paperclips/ There is a nice paperclip computer at

[cctalk] Re: Estate Planning was: Re: Auction houses vs ebay

2024-07-18 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
The thought occured to me that "registering your collection" with the local computer club or school might not be a bad idea Bill On Thu, Jul 18, 2024, 1:38 AM Wayne S via cctalk wrote: > What if you outlive your “executioners” ? > You need to have someone a good deal younger than you to be your

[cctalk] Re: Estate Planning was: Re: Auction houses vs ebay

2024-07-17 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
> > My Lovely Wife, were she to become a Lovely Widow has enough trouble > > dealing with day-to-day tasks. There's no way that she would want to > > deal with the minutiae of getting rid of the old junk I have. > > It will simplify her life dramatically. > > > > > > > > --Chuck > > > Hi Chuck,

[cctalk] Re: Auction houses vs ebay

2024-07-17 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
that's a good point a premier auction house will get more than Ebay. A "local" auction house with less panache may not. But Someplace like Christie's is only going to accept the A list items. Bill On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 2:03 PM Sellam Abraham via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On Wed

[cctalk] Re: Old vintage computing magazine/newsletters

2024-07-17 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
I really do like the repurposed window frame with 8 panes through, and the magazine covers in the article are really nice. On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 2:07 PM Sellam Abraham via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 10:59 AM Bill Degnan via cctalk < > cctalk

[cctalk] Re: Auction houses vs ebay

2024-07-17 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
I don't think you can beat direct sales. Ebay will probably bring a higher price but you have to ship take pics, etc. If you go the auction house route you will get less money, but it will be less effort on your pat. b On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 1:45 PM brad via cctalk wrote: > Question going bac

[cctalk] Re: Old vintage computing magazine/newsletters

2024-07-17 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
I am sure you would not follow this person's lead and remove the covers from the magazines For Kennett Classic I scan the covers and have them printed with UV-durable ink. I then put into individual black frames. Over time original some covers may fade, their paper decompose or get light stai

[cctalk] Re: Old vintage computing magazine/newsletters

2024-07-16 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
Proceedings from a convention or event is what I am talking about Bill On Tue, Jul 16, 2024, 11:04 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > On 7/16/24 19:39, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: > > Proceedings are not magazines, they're their own class of document. > > Bill > &

[cctalk] Re: Old vintage computing magazine/newsletters

2024-07-16 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
Proceedings are not magazines, they're their own class of document. Bill On Tue, Jul 16, 2024, 10:03 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > On 7/16/24 18:22, Murray McCullough via cctalk wrote: > > I, as a history-researcher, relied on computer magazines from the early > > era. I wrote my book using

[cctalk] Re: Old vintage computing magazine/newsletters

2024-07-16 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
Personally I find them invaluable for research. Bill On Tue, Jul 16, 2024, 5:53 PM Brad H via cctalk wrote: > Just a 'survey' sort of question - how much value do you guys put in > vintage > copies of old newsletters, magazines, etc. I'm talking mid-1970s, like > People's Computer Company, etc

[cctalk] Re: Fwd: Civility; Was Re: Re: LCM auction pre-notice

2024-07-16 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
Didn't we already kill this horse a few weeks ago? We had a very long thread and branches about the subject and related topics. But, specific to Paul Allen, it obviously was not a priority of his to plan for the LCM after his passing, compared to other things that he did plan. We also talked abo

[cctalk] Re: NeXT computer system...

2024-07-16 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
f course depends on who you know, and who you ask. Undoubtedly > there's a guy out there with a stack of them in a shed somewhere, but > getting hold of him is a different matter entirely. > > Josh Rice > > On 16/07/2024 17:24, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: > > how hard

[cctalk] Re: NeXT computer system...

2024-07-16 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
how hard is it to track down a replacement NeXT cube motherboard? Bill On Tue, Jul 16, 2024 at 11:38 AM John Robertson via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On 2024/07/16 6:28 a.m., Paul Koning wrote: > >> On Jul 16, 2024, at 9:05 AM, John Robertson via cctalk< > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wr

[cctalk] Re: Value of Intel MDS System

2024-07-12 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
Just curious what processor and what OS were you running on it, what model chassis? You dont hear a lot about MDS systems even in this list Bill On Fri, Jul 12, 2024, 11:48 PM Marvin Johnston via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > In keeping with a previous discussion about reducing a coll

[cctalk] Re: FIDONET for shipping? Was: what to do with our "treasures"

2024-07-02 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 1:42 PM Sellam Abraham via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 9:27 AM Bill Degnan via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> > wrote: > > > A lot of us have storage spaces and we could all possibly work together > to

[cctalk] Re: FIDONET for shipping? Was: what to do with our "treasures"

2024-07-02 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 11:31 AM Mike Stein via cctalk wrote: > "I'd be glad to find a way to access US sales at reasonable cost" > > Might be worth investigating MyUS. > > > > > > I'd be glad to find a way to access US sales at reasonable cost. Postage > > costs are a major factor at the moment

[cctalk] Re: what to do with our "treasures"

2024-06-27 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
On Thu, Jun 27, 2024, 10:53 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > >> I generally don't like "make an offer", unless the seller has already > >> stated an offer. If so,then I can decide whether what I want to pay is > in > >> a range that they would discuss it. > >> Otherwise,it is usually futile to

[cctalk] Re: Revocable Living Trust for Computer Collectors

2024-06-26 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 9:24 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > In the meantime, set up price lists, and means for contacting survivors. > And compete over who will charge the least to haul it all away. > > > When I die, my sister has a list of email addresses, including this list > and a few indi

[cctalk] Re: Revocable Living Trust for Computer Collectors

2024-06-26 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 11:29 AM Sellam Abraham via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 7:52 AM Bill Degnan via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > > It's not as simple as just making a living will or a trust

[cctalk] Re: Revocable Living Trust for Computer Collectors

2024-06-26 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 10:01 AM geneb via cctalk wrote: > On Wed, 26 Jun 2024, Paul Koning wrote: > > >> 1. Truth is an affirmative defence against "libel". > > > > That depends on the country. What you say is correct in the USA; I have > the impression it isn't in the UK. > > > > Absolutely.

[cctalk] Re: Lunar Lander, bug

2024-06-19 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
Ooo... I did not know there was an LGP30 version, and written in the 70s...who was doing Royal McBee dev 20.years after the machine was sold for -ehemm- personal computing? On Wed, Jun 19, 2024, 5:20 AM Christian Corti via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On Tue, 18 Jun 2024, Paul Koning

[cctalk] Re: Lunar Lander, bug

2024-06-17 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
I ha e one for the Honeywell DDP 516 and that class of system on vintagecomputer.net, extracted from papertape...search "lander" it should.come up, feed it into simh. Contact me if you successfully get it to work. Bill On Mon, Jun 17, 2024, 5:36 PM Lyndon Nerenberg (VE7TFX/VE6BBM) via cctalk < cct

[cctalk] Re: Vintage computing in the San Francisco bay area

2024-06-13 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
There are a few historic locations. I think I remember driving past the original house / garage where Apple started, but I am not sure it's public knowledge. On Thu, Jun 13, 2024 at 3:15 PM anders--- via cctalk wrote: > Hi, > > Soon I will travel to US and San Francisco/San José Area. Any tips

[cctalk] Re: Illiac II Library Routine

2024-06-13 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
Thanks. The Iliac IV was highlighted in the Sept (?) 1971 Scientific American, the Iliac I was in service from around 1956ish so I was curious about where the Iliac II fit it, it's less well-known of a machine. Bill On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 6:16 PM Marvin Johnston via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.or

[cctalk] Re: Experience using an Altair 8800 ("Personal computer" from 70s)

2024-06-12 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 3:09 PM Dave Dunfield via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Bill Degnan wrote: > > > Without looking through everything you have first (sorry)is the > > NorthStar DOS genned for a 2SIO card? > > Bill > > Most of the disk images I have in the Altair emulation are

[cctalk] Re: Experience using an Altair 8800 ("Personal computer" from 70s)

2024-06-12 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 10:07 AM Dave Dunfield via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Having some fun reliving the memories ... I'll also mention that I do have > other emulators for some > of the classic systems I had on "Daves Old Computers" (look under "DOS > Widgets") > again - in case a

[cctalk] Re: Illiac II Library Routine

2024-06-11 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
Marvin Are these for sale or are you bringing to exhibit? What year was the Iliac II library routine published? I will be at VCFMW this year. Bill On Tue, Jun 11, 2024, 11:26 AM Marvin Johnston via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Thanks for the offer,but I'm located in Santa Barbara,

[cctalk] Re: Experience using an Altair 8800 ("Personal computer" from 70s)

2024-06-07 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
On Fri, Jun 7, 2024, 3:31 PM Sellam Abraham via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On Fri, Jun 7, 2024, 11:01 AM Bill Degnan via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> > wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 7, 2024, 12:39 PM Sellam Abraham via cctalk < > > cctalk@class

[cctalk] Re: Experience using an Altair 8800 ("Personal computer" from 70s)

2024-06-07 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
On Fri, Jun 7, 2024, 12:39 PM Sellam Abraham via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 8:29 AM Bill Degnan via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> > wrote: > > > Still valid? > > Personal Computer Milestones - Fun page that attempts t

[cctalk] Re: Experience using an Altair 8800 ("Personal computer" from 70s)

2024-06-07 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
Still valid? Personal Computer Milestones - Fun page that attempts to answer the question: "What was the first PC?" http://www.blinkenlights.com/pc.shtml On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 11:24 AM Tony Duell via cctalk wrote: > On Thu, Jun 6, 2024 at 5:10 AM Sellam Abraham via cctalk > wrote: > > The opp

[cctalk] Re: Experience using an Altair 8800 ("Personal computer" from 70s)

2024-06-06 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
> > > > > Ok, now you're back to cost. Your criteria keep changing. You cannot > give something meaning when the "something" keeps changing. This is why > you are refuted. > > I refute you, sir! > > > Sellam, There's "personal computing" as a verb and "personal computer" as an object classifica

[cctalk] Re: Experience using an Altair 8800 ("Personal computer" from 70s)

2024-06-05 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
On Wed, Jun 5, 2024 at 11:30 AM Sellam Abraham via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > What I have taken away from this whole now weeks-long debate is this: > > Everything is a personal computer; and nothing is. > > Sellam > Then there is the question of personnel computing. Is this compute

[cctalk] Re: Experience using an Altair 8800 ("Personal computer" from 70s)

2024-06-05 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
On Wed, Jun 5, 2024, 10:21 AM Will Cooke via cctalk wrote: > > > > On 06/05/2024 8:33 AM CDT Bill Degnan via cctalk > wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 5, 2024 at 9:03 AM Will Cooke via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> > > wrote: > > >

[cctalk] Re: Experience using an Altair 8800 ("Personal computer" from 70s)

2024-06-05 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
On Wed, Jun 5, 2024 at 9:03 AM Will Cooke via cctalk wrote: > > > > On 06/05/2024 7:17 AM CDT Liam Proven via cctalk > wrote: > > > > > It isn't personal if an ordinary person can't afford it. > > > > > > > > That isn't _the people_. The People means hoi polloi. It means > > ordinary people. It

[cctalk] Re: Experience using an Altair 8800 ("Personal computer" from 70s)

2024-06-05 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
> > > > > It isn't personal if an ordinary person can't afford it. > > > that's an important distinction, affordability. You define personal computers to contain microprocessors, which made them affordable. The demand was always there, it's the point in the demand curve that allowed x% of the pop

[cctalk] Re: First Personal Computer

2024-05-30 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
On Thu, May 30, 2024 at 2:06 AM John Herron via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Only because I thought it would be funny to hear ChatGPT's wrong answer. > Here is ChatGPT's answer on the first personal computer. > > ME> What was the first personal computer? > ChatGPT> The first personal c

[cctalk] Re: Experience using an Altair 8800 ("Personal computer" from 70s)

2024-05-28 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 8:15 AM Dave Dunfield via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > >With respect, I have studied the 1956 Royal McBee LGP-23 (and later -30) > at > >length and found one could easily use this computer as a "personal > >computer". > > I've not see one of these - that's a VER

[cctalk] Re: Experience using an Altair 8800 ("Personal computer" from 70s)

2024-05-24 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
On Fri, May 24, 2024 at 11:30 PM Dave Dunfield via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Weill .. I certainly expected lots of "discussion" on these statements > about my Altair: > > I have never claimed to be an "unknown drip"(*) on details of computer > history, but here is my reasoning: > >

[cctalk] Re: C. Gordon Bell, Creator of a Personal Computer Prototype, Dies at 89

2024-05-22 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
It's a slog, but if you can make it through Gordon Bell's book, "Computer Structures Readings and Examples" you realize Gordon is a "father of vintage computing", in addition to his involvement with the first computer museum in Boston. He knew better than anyone the historical significance of comp

[cctalk] Re: Thirties techies and computing history

2024-05-20 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
Lol!I don't care, our little non profit is but a wee dot on the map compared with the well-funded giants. On Mon, May 20, 2024, 1:12 PM Christian Liendo via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Sorry I forgot to add Kennet Classic. I failed, my mistake. > > On Mon, May 20, 2024 at 1:11 PM

[cctalk] Re: Thirties techies and computing history

2024-05-19 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
> On the matter of the interest of the younger generation, I had 25 years > of teaching at the end of my career as a point of observation. I > frequently went into stories to explain how things that I taught matter > > > As I get older (71 this year) I wonder if there are really enough people > i

[cctalk] Re: Papertape-Reader Decitek 442A9: need manual/schematics

2024-05-16 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
one in this auction > (version D vs. A): > https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/333131813919 > Only TTL-Logic, no processor, no UART, paralleöl data output. > > Micha > > > Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: > > I have something close-ish > > > > > http://www.mem

[cctalk] Re: Papertape-Reader Decitek 442A9: need manual/schematics

2024-05-16 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
I have something close-ish http://www.memex.ca/wp-content/uploads/old/M110545-Dostek-440A-BTR-User-Guide.pdf Bill On Thu, May 16, 2024, 10:33 AM Michael Fritsch via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > I have a Decitek 442A9 papertape reader which needs repair. > > I have already replaced t

[cctalk] Re: GEM95 cable

2024-05-09 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 9:09 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > On 5/9/24 17:50, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: > > I have a cable with two heads on one end and a rj45 phone connector on > the > > other end. On the two-headed side is a 25-pin ( serial female RS232 ?) >

[cctalk] GEM95 cable

2024-05-09 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
I have a cable with two heads on one end and a rj45 phone connector on the other end. On the two-headed side is a 25-pin ( serial female RS232 ?) and 9-pin (serial female RS232 ?) The 25 pin adapter has a GEM95 sticker on it. What was this cable used for? BIll

[cctalk] Re: DOS p-System Pascal: (Was: Saga of CP/M)

2024-05-09 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
, May 9, 2024, 8:08 AM Mike Loewen via cctalk wrote: > On Thu, 9 May 2024, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: > > > Without doing the research before asking, there was the UCSD p-System > > Pascal for IBM PC which came out very early in the history of the IBM PC. > > It was not ve

[cctalk] Re: DOS p-System Pascal: (Was: Saga of CP/M)

2024-05-09 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
d a multi-user BIOS, so you could have several people sharing a > single machine. They were also quite popular and successful for a while. > > > On 9 May 2024, at 13:39, Bill Degnan via cctalk > wrote: > > > > Without doing the research before asking, there was the UCSD

[cctalk] DOS p-System Pascal: (Was: Saga of CP/M)

2024-05-09 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
Without doing the research before asking, there was the UCSD p-System Pascal for IBM PC which came out very early in the history of the IBM PC. It was not very popular. The SAGE II that had native Pascal (68000) was not a popular machine. Waterloo Pascal on the SuperPetPascal never really mad

[cctalk] Re: CP/M

2024-05-03 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
Herb Johnson has some good info on the history of cp/m here https://www.retrotechnology.com/#dri Bill On Fri, May 3, 2024, 8:23 PM Murray McCullough via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > I came across an article that said CP/M came out in April 1974. I remember > using this OS in the micro

[cctalk] Re: What to take to a vintage computer show

2024-05-02 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
I agree on the UPS! Power can be inconsistent at shows On Thu, May 2, 2024, 12:02 PM Douglas Taylor via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > I learned at VCF East this year that I should have brought an UPS to > make sure that my vintage equipment had good, clean AC power. My PDP11 > kept o

[cctalk] Re: What to take to a vintage computer show

2024-05-02 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
A lot of people regret it later because they dont think they'll need it when packing but I always bring a bathing suit just in case. The vcf exhibitor pool is a nice way to relax after a long day of showing. On Thu, May 2, 2024, 1:13 AM Sellam Abraham via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: >

[cctalk] Re: Altair 8800 50th birthday...

2024-04-29 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
On Mon, Apr 29, 2024, 2:08 PM The Doctor via cctalk wrote: > > On Saturday, April 27th, 2024 at 07:14, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > Magazine cover january, and into 1975 the revolution. So I'd say all > > > > I had that magazine. Wish I hadn't thrown it awa

[cctalk] Re: Altair 8800 50th birthday...

2024-04-27 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
Magazine cover january, and into 1975 the revolution. So I'd say all year. Not one specific date Bill On Sat, Apr 27, 2024, 12:05 AM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > On Fri, 26 Apr 2024, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: > > It really is a momentous event, and should be properly honored and > > c

[cctalk] Re: PDP 8 / 11 via Raspberry Pi

2024-04-21 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
Tarek I made a post with some tips for the pidp8 https://vintagecomputer.net/browse_thread.cfm?id=663 BIll On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 8:16 PM Tarek Hoteit via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Mike, any tips or guidelines for running an emulated PDP on a Raspberry Pi > ? > > Regards, > Tarek

[cctalk] Re: Last Buy notification for Z80 (Z84C00 Product line)

2024-04-19 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
As it is now, running z80 production must no longer be profitable for Zilog, but some other manufacturer can license z80 production. Right? If there is a demand someone will produce them It was a good run though. Bill On Fri, Apr 19, 2024, 5:19 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > On 4/19/24

[cctalk] Re: Apple II

2024-04-18 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
Not sure if you mean me, "Bill", but I sold or gave away all of the Apple's that I had for sale, about 15 or so all gone. I did not have any original II's for sale. Only surplus II+, IIe, IIc, original MACs (mac plus, SE, classic, SE FD and that style. This was all a fundraiser for kennett Class

[cctalk] Re: Drum memory on pdp11's? Wikipedia thinks so....

2024-04-15 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 12:53 AM Christopher Zach via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > As late as 1980, PDP-11/45 machines using magnetic core main memory > and drums for swapping were still in use at many of the original UNIX > sites. > > Any thoughts on what they are talking about

[cctalk] Re: PDP-11 thingy. What is it?

2024-04-10 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 8:35 PM Jonathan Chapman via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > 1. I have read that the card and the drives were compatible with the dec > rx02 drives. Why would the CRDS even bother to redesign a card where DEC > had perfectly good working ones? Anyone know if ther

[cctalk] Re: Problem with Dell Vostro 1700

2024-04-05 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
I find them to be painfully slow Actually I think it got a lot better once I installed debian in it. Sorry you're having issues. B On Fri, Apr 5, 2024, 7:47 PM Van Snyder via cctalk wrote: > On Fri, 2024-04-05 at 22:25 +, Rick Bensene via cctalk wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 5, 2024 at 1:

[cctalk] Re: Problem with Dell Vostro 1700

2024-04-05 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
That's not quite on topic here but I used to own one. Just close the lid and walk away slowly. On Fri, Apr 5, 2024, 6:25 PM Rick Bensene via cctalk wrote: > > > > On Fri, Apr 5, 2024 at 1:45 PM Van Snyder via cctalk > wrote: > > > I have a Dell Vostro. > > Sellam responded: > > >Um... > > ...Ye

[cctalk] Re: Cleanup time again

2024-04-04 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
Apple II's go for a lot. The iie a lot less. Compare the original cbm Pet with later Pets Bill On Thu, Apr 4, 2024, 1:20 PM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > Not really sure I want to get rid of them yet, but what do Apple II's > go for nowadays? I have an Appl

[cctalk] Re: The 8008

2024-04-01 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
; https://stevemorse.org/8086history/8086history.pdf > > https://www.sjsu.edu/people/robert.chun/courses/CS247/s4/M.pdf > > I hope these are of interest. > > Murray 😊 > > On Mon, Apr 1, 2024 at 9:43 AM Bill Degnan via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> > wrote:

[cctalk] Re: The 8008

2024-04-01 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
are these articles available/online? maybe others might like them too. Thanks in advance Bill On Mon, Apr 1, 2024 at 9:29 AM Murray McCullough via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > I’ve read with great interest, over the past short while, a few interesting > articles on the history of the

[cctalk] Re: need a 5150 motherboard

2024-03-29 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
pick up only, sorry b On Fri, Mar 29, 2024 at 4:05 PM Just Kant via cctalk wrote: > If you're willing to ship, I'll offer 30$ total. But it has to be IBM. > > Sent with Proton Mail secure email. > > On Friday, March 29th, 2024 at 3:03 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk < &g

[cctalk] Re: need a 5150 motherboard

2024-03-29 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
I have one at Kennett Classic for sale, I think it's $20. I believe it's an original IBM, but it may be a close clone. Untested. b On Fri, Mar 29, 2024 at 2:59 PM Gregory Beat via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > MTM Scientific (Clinton, MI) offered modern redrawn IBM PC 5150 base board

[cctalk] Re: vic-20 basic on cartridge

2024-03-26 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
Jacob Totally did not take your comment negatively.All good. Bill On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 8:27 AM Jacob Dahl Pind via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On 26/03/2024 01.28, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: > > ...It was a thought... > > Was good a thought, could eas

[cctalk] Re: vic-20 basic on cartridge

2024-03-25 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
...It was a thought... On Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 7:53 PM Jacob Dahl Pind via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On 25/03/2024 20.07, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: > > Do you have a vic20 to try it there first? Maybe it's looking for a > > printer to relocated to a

[cctalk] Re: vic-20 basic on cartridge

2024-03-25 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
Do you have a vic20 to try it there first? Maybe it's looking for a printer to relocated to a different assigned number than the default. I have seen this before in the B series world to get around conflicts with the base ROMs in the main board. Bill On Mon, Mar 25, 2024, 3:01 PM Jacob Dahl Pind

[cctalk] Surplus Vintage Computer Sale @ Kennett Classic Starting

2024-03-12 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
LINK: https://www.kennettclassic.com/surplus-sale-starts-3-19/ If you can make it to Kennett Square, PA USA between now and April 19th 2024, stop in and browse our inventory of surplus vintage computing items. The link above contains answers to questions. If you want to be added to the mailing li

[cctalk] 5 1/4" and 3.5" disk duplication machines

2024-03-09 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
Does anyone have interest in vintage diskette duplication / duplication machines? Would this make for an interesting VCF exhibit? Does/did anyone use these commercially? Bill

[cctalk] Re: Decwriter III self test issue?

2024-03-01 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
Good news. On Fri, Mar 1, 2024, 6:08 PM W2HX via cctalk wrote: > I thought I'd send a follow up that I have fixed the decwriter (whew)... > A little lube goes a long way! Vid below. > > https://youtu.be/mJH3GPIvBvs > > > > 73 Eugene W2HX > My Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@w2hx/videos

[cctalk] Kennett Classic Workshop Tomorrow

2024-02-16 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
Just a reminder that out vintage computing workshop is tomorrow, all day and into the evening. Kennett Square, PA 9AM - 8PM For more details: https://www.kennettclassic.com/hack-a-thon-workshop-february-17th/ Bill

[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

2024-01-31 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
The Enter museum in Switzerland has a nice library of docs. I found that museum to be chock full of interesting German and other computers. Worth the trip. Bill On Wed, Jan 31, 2024, 7:02 PM Nigel Johnson Ham via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > I do remember reading that lot of British

[cctalk] Re: Vmebus

2024-01-31 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
t 12:14 PM, Tom Ivar Helbekkmo via cctalk wrote: > > Bill Degnan via cctalk writes: > > > > > Anyone have a VMEbus system they use at least occasionally? If so, what > > > make/model/config? > > > > I have a couple of old Stride Micro systems, a 440 and a 460, tha

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