On 8/18/2015 4:11 PM, tony duell wrote:
>
>> Yeah, but the TIP31A part is cheap, and is free air mounted on its leads
>> - it isn't screwed down. I'd rather do the repair nicely. Anyway, it
>
> Sure...
>
> What I would do is bolt a tag + wire onto the tab of the old transistor (don't
> tell
I don't care too much about file sizes with how cheap storage is these days
but I've done some scanning projects in the past and there's always a
critic, LOL.
Best,
Sean
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 4:20 PM, Noel Chiappa
wrote:
> > From: Sean Caron
>
> > I have found that even fairly fine
> Yeah, but the TIP31A part is cheap, and is free air mounted on its leads
> - it isn't screwed down. I'd rather do the repair nicely. Anyway, it
Sure...
What I would do is bolt a tag + wire onto the tab of the old transistor (don't
tell me you don't keep solder tags and small nuts/bolts (M3,
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 08:54:39PM -0700, Brent Hilpert wrote:
> I can understand why Al is peeved.
IMHO the reply was conciliatory. I'm willing to give a little bit of
the benefit of the doubt in the meantime.
I don't expect to be best-friends with any/everyone on the list but
I would like to h
On 08/18/2015 09:05 PM, Marc Verdiell wrote:
I have connected a 1.2M 5.25" floppy to my computer. After a bit of
jumper learning and setting, it's recognized and reads my old DD and
HD floppies fine. But for the life of me I cannot write to it. Not
under DOS, Win98, or WindowsXP. Which all read
Those little RS232 testers with LEDs built into a double DB25 connector box are
usually just made of LEDs and resistors connected to each signal line. They can
load signals enough to cause problems at high speeds, with weak drivers, or
with long cables, but usually they don't cause problems. If
If reads go fine all around, but nothing will write, I'd be concerned that
the write electronics (write amp, etc.) might be defective.
But try Will'm D's suggestions, before taking that line, of course..
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 11:12 PM, william degnan
wrote:
> Try swapping both a and b drives.
Try swapping both a and b drives. Try with only 5 1/4" plugged in to a and
then again to b. Makes a difference?
Specify make and model of motherboard, drives. Describe cable. Describe
ROM settings.
Bill Degnan
twitter: billdeg
vintagecomputer.net
I have connected a 1.2M 5.25" floppy to my
> Ask Will Donzelli about the Cyber Resources rescue we did.
> You'll not get any sympathy for waiting 'til the last day
> from him or me.
The Data General save was far worse. At least with CyberResources
(mainly a New Jersey CDC reseller that had a very sizable library, for
those confused by the
I have connected a 1.2M 5.25" floppy to my computer. After a bit of jumper
learning and setting, it's recognized and reads my old DD and HD floppies
fine. But for the life of me I cannot write to it. Not under DOS, Win98, or
WindowsXP. Which all read fine.
But can't add a file. It goes through
> Are you serious? Jason is currently sweating his balls off trying to save at
> least a portion of a huge warehouse of unique documentation under an
> incredibly tight deadline.
Just for the record, the Manuals Plus hoard is not, in any way, a
bunch of "unique documentation". Test equipment doc
On 8/18/2015 7:36 PM, Ben Sinclair wrote:
I'm again trying to debug my PDP-11/23, and I believe I'm having
trouble with my M8067-LB/MSV-11 memory.
According to the manual, there is a diagnostic program called CZKMA
(for my 18-bit system), but I can't seem to find it.
I have all of the xxdp imag
On 2015-Aug-18, at 6:58 PM, Guy Sotomayor wrote:
> On 8/18/15 6:35 PM, Shoppa, Tim wrote:
>>> IA saturates the channel. Jason and IA are deliberately working to redirect
>>> all search
>>> traffic to IA from the original mirrors by constantly creating useless
>>> 'new' content that
>>> Google thi
Try Imagedisk for DOS (with actually somewhat of an interface). Great
software, superb manual.
http://www.classiccmp.org/dunfield/img/index.htm
Also Omnidisk for DOS (command line)
http://www.shlock.co.uk/Utils/OmniDisk/OmniDisk.htm#Downloads
And Omniflop for WinXP with a GUI
http://www.shlock.c
On 8/18/2015 10:40 PM, drlegendre . wrote:
As part of my C-64 RS-232 to M15 60mA CL project, I've put together a
simple MAX232 based interface to connect the TTL levels on the C-64 to the
standard RS-232 +/- levels.
Is there any reason that I can or cannot install LEDs - on either side of
the MA
As part of my C-64 RS-232 to M15 60mA CL project, I've put together a
simple MAX232 based interface to connect the TTL levels on the C-64 to the
standard RS-232 +/- levels.
Is there any reason that I can or cannot install LEDs - on either side of
the MAX232 converter - to give some indication of l
On 8/18/2015 8:35 PM, Shoppa, Tim wrote:
>> IA saturates the channel. Jason and IA are deliberately working to redirect
>> all search
>> traffic to IA from the original mirrors by constantly creating useless 'new'
>> content that
>> Google thinks is real.
>>
>> I have watched over time as the v
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 7:36 PM, Ben Sinclair wrote:
> I'm again trying to debug my PDP-11/23, and I believe I'm having
> trouble with my M8067-LB/MSV-11 memory.
>
> According to the manual, there is a diagnostic program called CZKMA
> (for my 18-bit system), but I can't seem to find it.
>
> I hav
I have some DECMATE print sets, but not sure which ones. From what Jay
says,It's in the DECMATE 1 set.
I'll see what I can find. I need to take a few months and go through my
fiche...
Paul
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 5:50 PM, Robert Ferguson wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I’m looking for a scan or a pr
I am more than happy to discuss with people alternate ways that the
information on the Internet Archive could be presented.
On Aug 18, 2015 9:58 PM, "Guy Sotomayor" wrote:
>
>
> On 8/18/15 6:35 PM, Shoppa, Tim wrote:
>
>> IA saturates the channel. Jason and IA are deliberately working to
>>> redi
I'm again trying to debug my PDP-11/23, and I believe I'm having
trouble with my M8067-LB/MSV-11 memory.
According to the manual, there is a diagnostic program called CZKMA
(for my 18-bit system), but I can't seem to find it.
I have all of the xxdp images from AK6DN, but this one doesn't appear
t
On 08/18/2015 01:00 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
The floating address space was pretty much there from the
start for the Unibus, even before you had "large" systems.
For most controllers, only the first one has a fixed
address, and all others were assigned from the floating
space. Makes sense
MA == Module Assembly. These fiche have BLUE tops.
I have one that is slightly newer: EP-M8436-MA-B . In my case, it is
part of the VTERM Fiche set. (Mine is VTERM-000171).
M8436 - VT278 CPU, Revs A, C
M8437 - COMM Adapter, Revs A, C and D
M8439 - RL01/RL01 Disk Controller, Revs A, B and C
M8
On 8/18/15 6:35 PM, Shoppa, Tim wrote:
IA saturates the channel. Jason and IA are deliberately working to redirect all
search
traffic to IA from the original mirrors by constantly creating useless 'new'
content that
Google thinks is real.
I have watched over time as the volume of Google top
> IA saturates the channel. Jason and IA are deliberately working to redirect
> all search
> traffic to IA from the original mirrors by constantly creating useless 'new'
> content that
> Google thinks is real.
>
> I have watched over time as the volume of Google top search hits have
> migrated t
On 08/18/2015 04:51 PM, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote:
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Shoppa, Tim wrote:
http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/4711
Choice quote:
"I am writing this from the car, sitting in the passenger seat with my shoes off. I
have been standing for 12 hours. I've been giving in
Now totally OT, but in the broader world of YouTube info / tutorial vids, I
really like Eric the Car Guy.
Good info, solid technical practice and not a whole lot of obnoxious,
overtly egotistical or other distracting behavior. Great channel for the
DIY vehicle mechanic.
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 8:
Reading the note made me think of something else.
If it is an SAR, and you read to soon, the LSBs of the incomplete
conversion will always be the same. All ones or all zeros.
If it is a Sigma-Delta, and the input has noise
on it that is above the same rate, the LSB's will take on a
random, all ones
Hi Everyone,
I’m looking for a scan or a printout of the contents of DEC fiche EP-M8436-MA-A.
It’s referenced at the top of page 163 of
http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/dec/pdp11/xxdp/fiche_200dpi/0254_index_85-07.pdf,
and allegedly contains the details for M8436, M8437,M8439, and M8440 b
Choice quote:
"I am writing this from the car, sitting in the passenger seat with my shoes off. I
have been standing for 12 hours. I've been giving introductions and tours and
explanations and theories and everything else that comes when you put a bunch of
strangers together with a single-mi
> From: Paul Koning
> If you can, avoid black/white scans. The reason is that scanners are
> often noisy in that mode ... Copiers used in scan mode are particularly
> likely to do this. Such documents are also surprisingly hard to read,
> look messy when printed, and utterly f
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Shoppa, Tim wrote:
> http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/4711
>
> Choice quote:
>
> "I am writing this from the car, sitting in the passenger seat with my shoes
> off. I have been standing for 12 hours. I've been giving introductions and
> tours and explanations
>> I have found that one can generally have one's cake, and eat it too:
>> [...600dpi B&W...Group 4 compression...]
> If you can, avoid black/white scans. The reason is that scanners are often $
Personally, what I would do is scan 300dpi greyscale (my scanner does
600 in only one dimension), the
> On Aug 18, 2015, at 4:20 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
>
>> From: Sean Caron
>
>> I have found that even fairly fine detail reproduces okay with a 300
>> DPI scan ... there's no need in scanning with extraneous bit depth and
>> then you start to get people complaining about file sizes
>
> I have f
Paul Koning skrev: (18 augusti 2015 21:55:23 CEST)
>
>> On Aug 18, 2015, at 3:48 PM, Johnny Billquist
>wrote:
>>
>> On 2015-08-18 21:29, Paul Koning wrote:
>>>
On Aug 18, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Johnny Billquist
>wrote:
On 2015-08-18 19:05, Jon Elson wrote:
...
> Most like
> From: Sean Caron
> I have found that even fairly fine detail reproduces okay with a 300
> DPI scan ... there's no need in scanning with extraneous bit depth and
> then you start to get people complaining about file sizes
I have found that one can generally have one's cake, and e
> On Aug 18, 2015, at 3:48 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
>
> On 2015-08-18 21:29, Paul Koning wrote:
>>
>>> On Aug 18, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2015-08-18 19:05, Jon Elson wrote:
>>> ...
Most likely, some board was added or removed from the system before you
>>>
On 2015-08-18 21:29, Paul Koning wrote:
On Aug 18, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2015-08-18 19:05, Jon Elson wrote:
...
Most likely, some board was added or removed from the system before you
got it, and it caused the vector to now be wrong.
The vector is usually not the fir
> On Aug 18, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
>
> On 2015-08-18 19:05, Jon Elson wrote:
> ...
>> Most likely, some board was added or removed from the system before you
>> got it, and it caused the vector to now be wrong.
>
> The vector is usually not the first victim. The CSR address
On 2015-08-18 19:05, Jon Elson wrote:
On 08/18/2015 10:48 AM, Holm Tiffe wrote:
Understand my quandary: I have changed not a single bit on the
hardware while cleaning and repairing it and besides that DHU11-DHV11
Switch the board was in the published factory setting!
DEC went to this floating a
> On Aug 18, 2015, at 09:08 , Al Kossow wrote:
> Jason and IA are deliberately working to redirect all search
> traffic to IA from the original mirrors by constantly creating useless 'new'
> content that
> Google thinks is real.
I'm rather skeptical of that claim.
> I have watched over time as
Are we going to do this here? I guess we're going to do this here.
So, the way that I found out there was any issue at all happening between
Al and myself was that a particular high spectrum colleague of mine
happened to buffer a chat box in which Al insulted me. To say that I was
floored and shoc
On 8/18/2015 11:33 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
> On 2015-08-18 15:09, Jay Jaeger wrote:
>> On 8/18/2015 7:46 AM, Paul Koning wrote:
>>>
On Aug 17, 2015, at 10:48 PM, Jay Jaeger wrote:
BR level is the bus request level for an Interrupt. BR 4 is typical.
>>>
>>> On Unibus machines,
On 08/18/2015 10:48 AM, Holm Tiffe wrote:
Understand my quandary: I have changed not a single bit on
the hardware while cleaning and repairing it and besides
that DHU11-DHV11 Switch the board was in the published
factory setting!
DEC went to this floating address/vector scheme back in the
PDP-
I agree, you really just have to try and run a test through with a
representative page from the document with fine detail and see how it comes
out ... I have found that even fairly fine detail reproduces okay with a
300 DPI scan ... there's no need in scanning with extraneous bit depth and
then you
On 8/15/2015 12:40 PM, tony duell wrote:
I have a number of laboratory instruments that are from the 1990 time
frame. They produce digital data that is the digitized signal from a
detector, the data can be from 512 to 65K samples long. The ADC used in
these instruments is a 16bit 100ksample/sec
I used to watch Dave but his ego got to be a bit much for me ... I now
prefer "mikesslectricstuff" and "w2aew" on YT when I'm looking for some
inspiration in the form of a video.
Best,
Sean
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 9:12 AM, Jay Jaeger wrote:
> On 8/17/2015 10:06 PM, drlegendre . wrote:
> > @ J
On 8/17/2015 11:14 PM, tony duell wrote:
>>
>> Well, in the process of repairing the Altos power supply I managed to
>> break the center lead off of the TIP31A that feeds the 2N3055 series
>> pass transistor. This time, I need to order parts.
>
> Do you? The centre lead (collector) is connected
On 2015-08-18 16:20, Noel Chiappa wrote:
> From: Johnny Billquist
> DEC's memory boards never had any jumpers for PMI as such.
Yes, and if you plug one of their PMI memory boards into a Q/Q backplane, it
will emit magic smoke, too! :-)
I don't remember if I've ever tried that, but I
On 2015-08-18 14:46, Paul Koning wrote:
On Aug 17, 2015, at 10:48 PM, Jay Jaeger wrote:
BR level is the bus request level for an Interrupt. BR 4 is typical.
On Unibus machines, more of the BR levels were used. The rule of thumb was BR4
for slow devices (like terminals and printers), BR5
On 2015-08-18 15:09, Jay Jaeger wrote:
On 8/18/2015 7:46 AM, Paul Koning wrote:
On Aug 17, 2015, at 10:48 PM, Jay Jaeger wrote:
BR level is the bus request level for an Interrupt. BR 4 is typical.
On Unibus machines, more of the BR levels were used. The rule of thumb was BR4
for slow de
On 8/18/15 9:12 AM, Ian McLaughlin wrote:
inflating the egos of the archivers?
If you think this is an ego trip for ME, you haven't dealt with Jason Scott
much.
> On Aug 18, 2015, at 9:08 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
>
> On 8/18/15 9:02 AM, geneb wrote:
>
>> Bullshit. His mirror has zero effect on your original site or organization.
>>
>
> Google disagrees.
>
> IA saturates the channel. Jason and IA are deliberately working to redirect
> all search
> traf
On 2015-08-18 17:48, Holm Tiffe wrote:
Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2015-08-18 14:17, Holm Tiffe wrote:
What makes me wonder is that I've wrote that the vector of the card schould
be 300...but:
What makes you say the card should have vector 300?
That exactly is the question...
The thing is
On 8/18/15 9:02 AM, geneb wrote:
Bullshit. His mirror has zero effect on your original site or organization.
Google disagrees.
IA saturates the channel. Jason and IA are deliberately working to redirect all
search
traffic to IA from the original mirrors by constantly creating useless 'new'
On 08/18/2015 10:24 AM, Ben Sinclair wrote:
So I'm apparently back to just trying to get the basic system running.
I have no idea why this system is so flaky. One day it works great,
the next it doesn't. Maybe it's just cursed!
I ran a MicroVAX-II at home for 21 years, from 1986 to about
2007
On Tue, 18 Aug 2015, Al Kossow wrote:
He destroyed the organizational schema of bitsavers when he "mirrored" it
and had his little band of minions "curate" it for IA.
Bullshit. His mirror has zero effect on your original site or
organization.
g.
--
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f
Johnny Billquist wrote:
> On 2015-08-18 14:17, Holm Tiffe wrote:
> >What makes me wonder is that I've wrote that the vector of the card schould
> >be 300...but:
>
> What makes you say the card should have vector 300?
That exactly is the question...
>
> >$ mcr sysgen
> >SYSGEN> SH/CONF
> >
> >
On 8/18/15 8:26 AM, Ian McLaughlin wrote:
Jason is currently sweating his balls off trying to save at least a portion of
a huge warehouse of unique documentation under an incredibly tight deadline.
Ask Will Donzelli about the Cyber Resources rescue we did.
You'll not get any sympathy for wait
> On Aug 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
>
> On 8/18/15 4:33 AM, Shoppa, Tim wrote:
>> I certainly feel bitsavers is a good model
>
> Too bad Jason Scott doesn't "get it"
>
> He destroyed the organizational schema of bitsavers when he "mirrored" it
> and had his little band of minions "
Well, I tried a few things, including reading the CSR, which doesn't
appear to be what I expect.
I ended up removing the RLV11 and making sure my system was still
passing the other tests, and I've found that I can no longer run
JKDBD0 to test the CPU, which was working before. It never prints any
On 8/18/15 4:33 AM, Shoppa, Tim wrote:
I certainly feel bitsavers is a good model
Too bad Jason Scott doesn't "get it"
He destroyed the organizational schema of bitsavers when he "mirrored" it
and had his little band of minions "curate" it for IA.
THAT is why I will have nothing to do with hi
On 2015-08-18 14:17, Holm Tiffe wrote:
What makes me wonder is that I've wrote that the vector of the card schould
be 300...but:
What makes you say the card should have vector 300?
$ mcr sysgen
SYSGEN> SH/CONF
System CSR and Vectors on 18-AUG-2015 14:11:12.81
Name: PAA Units: 1
Holm Tiffe wrote:
[snip]
>
> The additional VT420 is connected to txa3: and I haven't changed the term
> parameters since reboot:
>
> $ sh term txa3:
> Terminal: _TXA3: Device_Type: Unknown Owner: No Owner
>
>Input:9600 LFfill: 0 Width: 80 Parity: None
>O
> From: Johnny Billquist
> DEC's memory boards never had any jumpers for PMI as such.
Yes, and if you plug one of their PMI memory boards into a Q/Q backplane, it
will emit magic smoke, too! :-)
I think that's why this thing has the jumpers - to allow it to be used in a
Q/Q backplane. It
Holm Tiffe wrote:
> Holm Tiffe wrote:
>
> > Johnny Billquist wrote:
> >
> > > On 2015-08-18 11:31, Holm Tiffe wrote:
> > > >Jerry Weiss wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>Sorry if some of the suggestions aren?t appropriate, was just throwing
> > > >>a
> > > >>few things out.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>$ana
I have many schematics scanned in 300dpi and they are great even for a3
printing. Take a lookk at "esquematico de informatica cce" (google it) as
an example...
Em 18/08/2015 10:36, "Tothwolf" escreveu:
> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015, Shoppa, Tim wrote:
>
> I certainly feel bitsavers is a good model, and a
On Tue, 18 Aug 2015, Shoppa, Tim wrote:
I certainly feel bitsavers is a good model, and although I'm physically
not too far away from the stuff, I'm not sure I have much to offer other
than disk space on a server for staging.
http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/4695
(previous link: http://as
On 8/17/2015 10:06 PM, drlegendre . wrote:
> @ Jay,
>
> Ha, yeah.. I've seen a number of his vids.. Don't mean to offend, but he
> comes off a bit squirrely (hyper) for me.
>
Probably has to or viewers would fall asleep. Jim Cramer on CNBC
operates the same way.
> Yet another freaking Aussie n
On 8/18/2015 7:46 AM, Paul Koning wrote:
>
>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 10:48 PM, Jay Jaeger wrote:
>>
>> BR level is the bus request level for an Interrupt. BR 4 is typical.
>
> On Unibus machines, more of the BR levels were used. The rule of thumb was
> BR4 for slow devices (like terminals and pr
On 8/17/2015 1:51 PM, Rich Alderson wrote:
> From: Jay Jaeger
> Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2015 3:18 PM
>
> On 8/16/2015 9:00 AM, Michael Thompson wrote:
>
>>> We did a lot more debugging on the TC12 LINCtape controller.
>
>> Second gut hunch is that it would be hard to see how the drive could
>>
So I've seen an odd phenomenon on some older QBUS memory boards I've got in.
I can't understand it, and I'm wondering if anyone else has i) seen it, or ii)
understand the cause.
What happens is that the _first_ time I plug them in, some don't work - some
(maybe all, sometimes) locations are mangli
> On Aug 17, 2015, at 10:48 PM, Jay Jaeger wrote:
>
> BR level is the bus request level for an Interrupt. BR 4 is typical.
On Unibus machines, more of the BR levels were used. The rule of thumb was BR4
for slow devices (like terminals and printers), BR5 for fast devices (disks and
tapes), B
http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/4711
Choice quote:
"I am writing this from the car, sitting in the passenger seat with my shoes
off. I have been standing for 12 hours. I've been giving introductions and
tours and explanations and theories and everything else that comes when you put
a bunch
Holm Tiffe wrote:
> Johnny Billquist wrote:
>
> > On 2015-08-18 11:31, Holm Tiffe wrote:
> > >Jerry Weiss wrote:
> > >
> > >>Sorry if some of the suggestions aren?t appropriate, was just throwing a
> > >>few things out.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>$analyze/error/since=today/full/include=tx
> > >>
> > >>
I certainly feel bitsavers is a good model, and although I'm physically not too
far away from the stuff, I'm not sure I have much to offer other than disk
space on a server for staging.
http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/4695
(previous link:http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/
Johnny Billquist wrote:
> On 2015-08-18 11:31, Holm Tiffe wrote:
> >Jerry Weiss wrote:
> >
> >>Sorry if some of the suggestions aren?t appropriate, was just throwing a
> >>few things out.
> >>
> >>
> >>$analyze/error/since=today/full/include=tx
> >>
> >>Can you post a sample of the output for one
Holm Tiffe wrote:
> Jerry Weiss wrote:
>
> > Sorry if some of the suggestions aren?t appropriate, was just throwing a
> > few things out.
> >
> >
> > $analyze/error/since=today/full/include=tx
> >
> > Can you post a sample of the output for one of the lines that has an error?
> >
> > Regar
On 2015-08-18 11:31, Holm Tiffe wrote:
Jerry Weiss wrote:
Sorry if some of the suggestions aren?t appropriate, was just throwing a few
things out.
$analyze/error/since=today/full/include=tx
Can you post a sample of the output for one of the lines that has an error?
Regards,
Jerry
Hmm...
Jerry Weiss wrote:
> Sorry if some of the suggestions aren?t appropriate, was just throwing a few
> things out.
>
>
> $analyze/error/since=today/full/include=tx
>
> Can you post a sample of the output for one of the lines that has an error?
>
> Regards,
> Jerry
>
Hmm...
$analyze/error/s
The videos below are from 2009 so are now 6 years old, so about the same age as
windows/7. I don't know of any modern USB scope that does equivalent time
sampling. Memory Depth isn't so important as USB2 means you can shift the data
pretty quickly into the PC.
I also note he says proudly he do
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Eric Smith
> Sent: 18 August 2015 06:52
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
>
> Subject: Re: test equipment / Re: Z80 / Z84C Swap (Doh!)
>
> I wrote:
> > If a person has any reasona
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