Re: [ccp4bb] Quick-soak

2008-09-25 Thread Matt Vetting
We have had really outstanding success using trimethyllead and samarium acetate as 'quick soak' derivatives. Both are soluble to 100 mM in most crystallization solutions and have large anomalous signals at the copper-kalpha wavelength used at most home sources. A quick 30 sec to 5 minute s

Re: [ccp4bb] Quick-soak

2008-09-25 Thread Diana Tomchick
Or you could try crystallizing the protein in the presence of KI or NaI, and collect some in-house SAD data. You could also try to boost the concentration and number of ordered halide sites by quick soaking the crystals with a higher concentration of the iodide salt. In my limited experienc

Re: [ccp4bb] Quick-soak

2008-09-25 Thread Eric Larson
Hi Amit, Dr. Dauter has several excellent papers about solving crystal structures with halide ions. Use this search string in PubMed (without the quotes) to retrieve them: "dauter [AUTH] AND halide". The anomalous signal of iodide can be detected using a home x-ray source but the anomalous sig

Re: [ccp4bb] Quick-soak

2008-09-25 Thread Jacob Keller
ECTED] *** - Original Message - From: amit sharma To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 6:03 AM Subject: [ccp4bb] Quick-soak Dear CCP4bbers, I have a protein molecule(~9.0 kDa) that crystallized in the presence of 0.15M KBr and HEPES p

Re: [ccp4bb] Quick-soak

2008-09-25 Thread M T
2008/9/25 amit sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Dear CCP4bbers, > I have a protein molecule(~9.0 kDa) that crystallized in the presence of > 0.15M KBr and HEPES pH 7.0. Since there is no homologuous structure present, > I intend to perform heavy metal derivatization. I read some literature which >

Re: [ccp4bb] Quick-soak

2008-09-25 Thread David Briggs
Hi Amit, http://www.doe-mbi.ucla.edu/~sawaya/tutorials/Phasing/references.html And the (IMHO) seminal heavy atom derivative reference: Petsko, G.A., "Perparation of Isomorphous Heavy-Atom Derivatives" Methods in Enzymology, Volume 114, , pages 147-157. should give you all the info you need. Th

[ccp4bb] Quick-soak

2008-09-25 Thread amit sharma
Dear CCP4bbers, I have a protein molecule(~9.0 kDa) that crystallized in the presence of 0.15M KBr and HEPES pH 7.0. Since there is no homologuous structure present, I intend to perform heavy metal derivatization. I read some literature which suggested that I could carry out quick soak with 0.5M So

Re: [ccp4bb] "Quick soak" method

2007-09-26 Thread Dirk Kostrewa
Hi, similarly, 30 sec soak with 0.5 M potassium iodide. But in this case, the iodides bound specifically to a site where otherwise chloride binds. These halide binding sites were totally unexpected ... Best regards, Dirk. Am 26.09.2007 um 01:55 schrieb James Whisstock: Hi - sorry - rath

Re: [ccp4bb] "Quick soak" method

2007-09-26 Thread Uwe Mueller
Dear Derek and Tassos, I normally start using the following compounds depending on pH of the cryo-solution at 10 mM concentration and 10 min incubation time and optimize towards lower concentrations and longer incubation times: -ethyl mercuric phosphate (EMP) -HgCl2 -SmCl3 -K2PtCl4 -K2PtCl6 Be

Re: [ccp4bb] "Quick soak" method

2007-09-25 Thread Jacob Keller
I also solved a structure on our home CuKa source by SIRAS with 20-60sec in 0.5-1M KI. JPK ==Original message text=== On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 6:55:28 pm CDT James Whisstock wrote: Hi - sorry - rather than iodine I meant to say we had had success with Potassium Iodide (1M f

Re: [ccp4bb] "Quick soak" method

2007-09-25 Thread James Whisstock
Hi - sorry - rather than iodine I meant to say we had had success with Potassium Iodide (1M for 20 seconds)! Cheers James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> > Hi, > > I do not use their method as such - however, I love heavy atom soaks and > do them any time I can, so I've got very similar experience

Re: [ccp4bb] "Quick soak" method

2007-09-25 Thread artem
Hi, I do not use their method as such - however, I love heavy atom soaks and do them any time I can, so I've got very similar experiences in the past. Heavy atoms can bind very quickly even from quite dilute solutions - the quickest I've ever soaked (and got useful data) was sodium chloroplatinat

Re: [ccp4bb] "Quick soak" method

2007-09-25 Thread James Whisstock
Hi Derek We have had success with iodine - 20 seconds soak. J Derek Logan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > Hi Uwe, > > Just what I wanted to hear, and with a limited set of compounds too! > Follow-up question: what are these 4-6 most successful compounds? > Thanks also for the tips on monitoring

Re: [ccp4bb] "Quick soak" method

2007-09-25 Thread Juergen Bosch
There's a nice databank out there in the world wild web: http://www.sbg.bio.ic.ac.uk/had/ Juergen Derek Logan wrote: Hi Uwe, Just what I wanted to hear, and with a limited set of compounds too! Follow-up question: what are these 4-6 most successful compounds? Thanks also for the tips on

Re: [ccp4bb] "Quick soak" method

2007-09-25 Thread Das, Debanu
er 25, 2007 12:13 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] "Quick soak" method Hi, I'd like to find out how successful the "quick soak" method for heavy atom derivatisation proposed by Radaev and Sun: Sun PD, Radaev S, Kattah M. Generating isomorphous heavy-ato

Re: [ccp4bb] "Quick soak" method

2007-09-25 Thread Derek Logan
Hi Uwe, Just what I wanted to hear, and with a limited set of compounds too! Follow-up question: what are these 4-6 most successful compounds? Thanks also for the tips on monitoring thw soaking Derek On Sep 25, 2007, at 13:23, Uwe Mueller wrote: Dear Derek, we are using the quick-soak me

Re: [ccp4bb] "Quick soak" method

2007-09-25 Thread Alessandro S. Nascimento
You may also wish to take a look in Dauter and Nagem's quick cryo soaking for introducing anomalous scattering. 1. Acta Crystallogr D Biol Crystallogr. 2001 Jul;57(Pt 7):996-1002. 2. Methods Enzymol. 2003;374:120-37. 3. Acta Crystallogr D Biol Crystallogr. 2005 Aug;61(Pt 8):1022-30 HTH [ ]s -

Re: [ccp4bb] "Quick soak" method

2007-09-25 Thread Uwe Mueller
Dear Derek, we are using the quick-soak method frequently at the BESSY-MX beamlines. So far we were able to obtain phase information in terms of MAD/SAD- phases in all cases which we tried. The starting set-up is the screen over the 4-6 most successful heavy atom compounds at 5-10mM concentrat

[ccp4bb] "Quick soak" method

2007-09-25 Thread Derek Logan
Hi, I'd like to find out how successful the "quick soak" method for heavy atom derivatisation proposed by Radaev and Sun: Sun PD, Radaev S, Kattah M. Generating isomorphous heavy-atom derivatives by a quick-soak method. Part I: test cases. Acta Cryst. 2002. D58:1092-1098. has been in co