Re: [ccp4bb] [RANT] Reject Papers describing non-open source software

2015-05-12 Thread Frank von Delft
Sounds rather extreme considering what's /actually/ annoying you is you weren't told up-front that's it's not worth your time trying to install whatever you were installing. You should be complaining to whomever misled you into wasting your week. The other thing you seem to be railing against

Re: [ccp4bb] XDS INP

2015-05-12 Thread luzuok
Dear Natalie, I try to run my images with fast_dp, but got the error message: Fast_DP installed in: /home/lu/bin/fast_dp_20141205 Starting image: /home/lu/Documents/hg6l3/Hg6_L3_1_2.mccd Number of jobs: 1 Number of cores: 0 Processing images: 1 -> 360 Phi range: 112.50 -> 472.50 Template: Hg6

Re: [ccp4bb] shelxd memory error

2015-05-12 Thread Chen Zhao
Just an update. If I run shelxd from the command line the same error appears. However, if I change the shelxd to the mp version, the command line works but the hkl2map still doesn't work. I am more confused now. Your input is greatly appreciated! Best, Chen On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 5:11 PM, Chen

Re: [ccp4bb] on space group

2015-05-12 Thread Sean Seaver
Dear Smith, Here are some resources, I would then google around any topics or terms that are unclear. http://mcl1.ncifcrf.gov/dauter_pubs/284.pdf http://www.ruppweb.org/Xray/comp/space_instr.htm See page 3 for an example using P 1 21 1: http://xray.tamu.edu/pdf/notes/guidetospacegroups.pdf Ta

Re: [ccp4bb] on space group

2015-05-12 Thread Mayer, Mark (NIH/NICHD) [E]
As other people have advised in response to some of your previous posts: Invest in a copy of Bernard Rupp's fantastic text book. Judging from the number of posts you make, you seem interested in learning the art of crystallography. This book will answer most if not all of your questions http://

[ccp4bb] on space group

2015-05-12 Thread Smith Liu
Dear All, Alhough there are on-line explainations on the space group, I found it was difficult to fully understand. Here we take P 1 21 1 as an exmaple, will you please explain to me with easy language what each number indicates?Or do we have a on-line server which can demonstrate the meaning

Re: [ccp4bb] XDS INP

2015-05-12 Thread Gerd Rosenbaum
Hi Clemens, your suggested description of positive rotation doesn't remove the ambiguity. My intuitive way to define positive rotation (in 1994 or so, when building the SBC) was: Looking onto the sample, rotation of the sample in mathematically positive direction Only later I was told th

Re: [ccp4bb] CYS mod

2015-05-12 Thread Bio Physics
No, it is not sulfenic acid or so, I had that in differend structure. It is L shaped from S, and linear if I put SCX mutaion (another 1.4A way a nice blob). My resolution is 1.3 A. On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Artem Evdokimov wrote: > Looks like a wrong shape for tetrahedral acid > ... > O

Re: [ccp4bb] XDS INP

2015-05-12 Thread Clemens Vonrhein
Hi Kay, On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 08:39:24PM +0100, Kay Diederichs wrote: > According to > http://homes.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de/~kabsch/xds/html_doc/xds_parameters.html#ROTATION_AXIS= > the definition of a positive value in the ROTATION_AXIS= line is: > > "When looking along the axis, the crystal w

Re: [ccp4bb] [RANT] Reject Papers describing non-open source software

2015-05-12 Thread James Stroud
On May 12, 2015, at 3:08 PM, Douglas Theobald wrote: > On May 12, 2015, at 4:50 PM, wrote: >> I like the open source model, but there are problems with this model along >> with the others. One major problem is that the authors are expected to >> support their software after others have gone in

Re: [ccp4bb] CYS mod

2015-05-12 Thread Artem Evdokimov
Looks like a wrong shape for tetrahedral acid ... On May 12, 2015 4:07 PM, "Boaz Shaanan" wrote: > Hi, > > > As I've just written to David, maybe it's sulfenic acid (result of > radiation damage?). I've had those in some cases. See attached scheme for > the chemistry and other possibilities for

[ccp4bb] shelxd memory error

2015-05-12 Thread Chen Zhao
Hi all, I encountered a problem with shelxd (in hkl2map gui) installed in a flash drive running 32 bit Ubuntu OS. The error message is: OMP: Error #29: Unable to set OMP thread stack size to 268435456 OMP:System error #12: Cannot allocate memory OMP:Hint: Try decreasing OMP_STACKSIZE The $OMP_ST

Re: [ccp4bb] [RANT] Reject Papers describing non-open source software

2015-05-12 Thread James Stroud
Making the software OSS solves many problems. For example, it solves the problem of interdependency. Many tools these days aggregate the functions of several different software packages into pipelines. If one step in that pipeline is unavailable then the pipeline can be rendered unusable. Most

Re: [ccp4bb] [RANT] Reject Papers describing non-open source software

2015-05-12 Thread Douglas Theobald
On May 12, 2015, at 4:50 PM, wrote: > > "In practice, for me to be able to replicate and verify your computational > analysis and results, I will need to be able to see your source code, compile > it myself, and potentially modify it." > > Why? In this case to verify something you need to hav

Re: [ccp4bb] [RANT] Reject Papers describing non-open source software

2015-05-12 Thread Ethan A Merritt
On Tuesday, 12 May, 2015 16:06:51 Douglas Theobald wrote: > On May 12, 2015, at 3:19 PM, Robbie Joosten > wrote: > > > > I strongly disagree with rejecting paper for any other reasons than > > scientific ones. > > I agree, but … one of the foundations of science is independent replicability >

Re: [ccp4bb] CYS mod

2015-05-12 Thread Boaz Shaanan
Hi, As I've just written to David, maybe it's sulfenic acid (result of radiation damage?). I've had those in some cases. See attached scheme for the chemistry and other possibilities for Cys modification by oxidation.            Boaz     Boaz Shaanan, Ph.D.  

Re: [ccp4bb] [RANT] Reject Papers describing non-open source software

2015-05-12 Thread Shane Caldwell
Of note, this discussion was recently in the pages of Nature: http://www.nature.com/news/rule-rewrite-aims-to-clean-up-scientific-software-1.17323 Shane Caldwell McGill University On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 12:48 PM, James Stroud wrote: > I hereby call on the broadest community of academics and r

Re: [ccp4bb] [RANT] Reject Papers describing non-open source software

2015-05-12 Thread Tom Peat
"In practice, for me to be able to replicate and verify your computational analysis and results, I will need to be able to see your source code, compile it myself, and potentially modify it." Why? In this case to verify something you need to have the same output for a given input, this does not

Re: [ccp4bb] [RANT] Reject Papers describing non-open source software

2015-05-12 Thread Douglas Theobald
On May 12, 2015, at 3:19 PM, Robbie Joosten wrote: > > I strongly disagree with rejecting paper for any other reasons than > scientific ones. I agree, but … one of the foundations of science is independent replicability and verifiability. In practice, for me to be able to replicate and verify

Re: [ccp4bb] CYS mod

2015-05-12 Thread David Schuller
So far almost everyone is suggesting BME. I didn't do the purification & crystallization myself, but I am told: Buffer was HEPES cryo was ethylene glycol, glycerol and DMSO. Some MgSO4 and KPO4 No BME, but maybe some DTT. Purified from a proteobacterium. On 05/12/15 15:20, Dyda wrote: What

[ccp4bb] Serial Crystallography Data Analysis Workshop at the 2015 ACA Conference in Philadelphia

2015-05-12 Thread Thomas Grant
Dear all, We invite you to our upcoming serial crystallography data analysis workshop at ACA 2015 in Philadelphia, PA, entitled "Serial Crystallography Data Analysis with Cheetah and CrystFEL: Concepts and Tutorials". The workshop details can be found on the BioXFEL website ( https://www.bioxfel.o

Re: [ccp4bb] XDS INP

2015-05-12 Thread Kay Diederichs
According to http://homes.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de/~kabsch/xds/html_doc/xds_parameters.html#ROTATION_AXIS= the definition of a positive value in the ROTATION_AXIS= line is: "When looking along the axis, the crystal would rotate clockwise when proceeding to the next data image." There is of cour

Re: [ccp4bb] CYS mod

2015-05-12 Thread Jurgen Bosch
BME around ? Jürgen .. Jürgen Bosch Johns Hopkins University Bloomberg School of Public Health Department of Biochemistry & Molecular Biology Johns Hopkins Malaria Research Institute 615 North Wolfe Street, W8708 Baltimore, MD 21205 Office: +1-410-614-4742 Lab: +1-410-614-4

Re: [ccp4bb] CYS mod

2015-05-12 Thread Artem Evdokimov
Smells like BME to me... On May 12, 2015 2:32 PM, "David Schuller" wrote: > What are the most likely modifications of a CYS residue? I am attaching > images of a couple of residues in my current structure. Blue is 2Fo-Fc, > Green is Fo-Fc positive difference, purple is model-phased anomalous > di

Re: [ccp4bb] [RANT] Reject Papers describing non-open source software

2015-05-12 Thread Robbie Joosten
I strongly disagree with rejecting paper for any other reasons than scientific ones. A paper describing software should properly describe the algorithms to ensure the reproducibility. The source should be available for inspection to ensure the program does what was claimed, for all I care this can

Re: [ccp4bb] [RANT] Reject Papers describing non-open source software

2015-05-12 Thread James Stroud
If the software were open source, then funding would not matter. It could be supported (or at least used) by the user base. Withdrawing the use of published software because of funding issues represents a problem that can be remedied by enforcing (at the referee level) open source licenses. We

Re: [ccp4bb] [RANT] Reject Papers describing non-open source software

2015-05-12 Thread Gloria Borgstahl
Did they stop supporting it due to lack of renewed funding and having to cut staff that had the knowledge? I'm pretty sure you only know part of the story. On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 11:48 AM, James Stroud wrote: > I hereby call on the broadest community of academics and researchers, > including s

Re: [ccp4bb] [RANT] Reject Papers describing non-open source software

2015-05-12 Thread James Stroud
On May 12, 2015, at 12:29 PM, Roger Rowlett wrote: > Was the research publicly funded? If you receive funds from NSF, for example, > you are expected to share and "make widely available and usable" software and > inventions created under a grant (section VI.D.4. of the Award and > administrati

Re: [ccp4bb] [RANT] Reject Papers describing non-open source software

2015-05-12 Thread Roger Rowlett
Was the research publicly funded? If you receive funds from NSF, for example, you are expected to share and "make widely available and usable" software and inventions created under a grant (section VI.D.4. of the Award and administration guide). I don't know how enforceable that clause is, howe

Re: [ccp4bb] [phenixbb] how to generate an isomorphous difference map

2015-05-12 Thread Edward A. Berry
OK. I guess I was thinking of subtracting 2fo-Fc maps, which would give essentially (Fo1-Fo2) coefficients. But coming out of phenix it will be at least 2mFo-DFc, with different m's and D's for the two datasets. Makes it rather more complicated. eab On 05/12/2015 11:58 AM, Philip Kiser wrote:

Re: [ccp4bb] [RANT] Reject Papers describing non-open source software

2015-05-12 Thread Jurgen Bosch
Can you get a license ? I know of several software that have components from other developers from which one needs to obtain a separate license. Was the discountinued software superseded by something more superior ? Can you send me an off list reply including the software name ? J?rgen

[ccp4bb] [RANT] Reject Papers describing non-open source software

2015-05-12 Thread James Stroud
I hereby call on the broadest community of academics and researchers, including scientists, historians, economists, sociologists, psychologists, and whoever else has ever published a paper or read from the literature thereof, to reject any and all papers that describe new software that itself is

Re: [ccp4bb] XDS INP

2015-05-12 Thread Harry Powell
Hi As far as I am aware beamline BL17U at Shanghai has what we in the Mosflm world call "reverse phi" (or in the XDS world you'd want to change the ROTATION AXIS vector). There are often good reasons (to the engineers who have installed the equipment on the beamline) why the crystal rotation i

Re: [ccp4bb] Off topic - modeling multi-domain protein

2015-05-12 Thread Tanner, John J.
This seems like a good problem for SAXS rigid body modeling. We previously used an approach based on docking models into SAXS envelopes with the constraint of 2-fold symmetry, followed by scoring the dimer models using the goodness of fit to the experimental curve (1). Another approach would

Re: [ccp4bb] XDS INP

2015-05-12 Thread luzuok
I not so familiar with data collection hardware! I still have a lot to learn. This data set was collected from SSRF(Shanghai China). I don't know how they rotate the spindle. Can you provide me some reference material? Best wishes! -- 卢作焜 南开大学新生物站A202 At 2015-05-12 22:41:24, "Kay Dieder

Re: [ccp4bb] XDS INP

2015-05-12 Thread luzuok
Yes! two data sets from one crystal with 2 different wave length. -- 卢作焜 南开大学新生物站A202 在 2015-05-12 22:14:16,"Huw Jenkins" 写道: >Hi, > >Also the IXDREF.LP files from yesterday and today suggest that you are having >problems with 2 different datasets. Is that correct? > >IDXREF from yesterda

Re: [ccp4bb] XDS INP

2015-05-12 Thread Kay Diederichs
You found it! XDS.INP needs ROTATION_AXIS=-1 0 0 with this setting, IDXREF indexes more than half of the reflections: REFINED VALUES OF DIFFRACTION PARAMETERS DERIVED FROM 10956 INDEXED SPOTS REFINED PARAMETERS: AXIS BEAM ORIENTATION CELL STANDARD DEVIATION OF SPOTPOSITION (PIXELS)

Re: [ccp4bb] XDS INP

2015-05-12 Thread Huw Jenkins
Hi, Also the IXDREF.LP files from yesterday and today suggest that you are having problems with 2 different datasets. Is that correct? IDXREF from yesterday had: NAME_TEMPLATE_OF_DATA_FRAMES=/home/lu/Documents/StructurePro/images/luzk/Hg6/hg6_L1_1_? OSCILLATION_RANGE=0.5000 X-RAY_WAVELE

Re: [ccp4bb] XDS INP

2015-05-12 Thread Huw Jenkins
On 12 May 2015, at 13:09, luzuok wrote: > STANDARD DEVIATION OF SPINDLE POSITION (DEGREES) 11.13 Is the oscillation range and rotation axis direction correct in your XDS.INP file? Huw

Re: [ccp4bb] XDS INP

2015-05-12 Thread Tim Gruene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Natalie, I usually look at the first frame with adxv and estimate the ORGX ORGY (which can be different from the direct beam position) by eye based on shadows (as Kay mentioned before) or ice rings and copy the values into XDS.INP. Regards, Tim

Re: [ccp4bb] XDS INP

2015-05-12 Thread Clemens Vonrhein
Dear Natalie, On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 02:08:42PM +0100, Natalie Tatum wrote: > Dear Lu, > > Just last week I faced an almost identical problem: iMoslfm had no problem > but XDS failed. Yes - that happens often because the beam centre recorded in the image header doesn't specify what coordinate s

Re: [ccp4bb] XDS INP

2015-05-12 Thread Natalie Tatum
Dear Lu, Just last week I faced an almost identical problem: iMoslfm had no problem but XDS failed. I discovered, as Kay has suggested, the ORGX and ORGY values were incorrect in XDS.INP. In fact, they had essentially been swapped. If you have AUTOINDEX.INP from fast_dp, you can compare the values

Re: [ccp4bb] XDS INP

2015-05-12 Thread Kay Diederichs
Dear LU, yes, your spot_15.png looks good. What worries me now is the table INDEX_ QUALITY DELTAXD YD X Y Z DH DK DL ORIGIN 0 0 0 1.70.1997.7 1020.9 0.0010 0.0005 1.02190.38 0.510.25 0 -1 0 3.00.4

Re: [ccp4bb] XDS INP

2015-05-12 Thread luzuok
Dear Kay, I've tune these parameter for many times, and I got best results . : SPOT_RANGE=1 100 INCLUDE_RESOLUTION_RANGE=50 4.2 MINIMUM_NUMBER_OF_PIXELS_IN_A_SPOT=20 but still got the same error message! The SPOT.XDS file was ploted (see attachment "spot_15.png" ), it seems that t

[ccp4bb] generating and applying transformation matrix

2015-05-12 Thread Guenter Fritz
Dear all, I want to have a closer look at a conformational change in a multidomain protein. We see clear changes from different structures but there is evidence that the conformational changes might be larger than observed. My idea is to get the transformation matrix of each residue (or of each