Some people say to use rubbing alcohol to clean a display. I saw this in a
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residue behind on the cells and would gum them up eventually. What's the real
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This messa
Hi there,
I have here an Android phone. Because I find the TTS it comes with a little
hard to understand, I need to get Brltty installed asap.
The phone doesn't appear to come with any sort of file manager and I can't
navigate the onscreen keyboard to sign into google to purchase one.
How can I
Sense?
- Original Message -
From: "Dave Mielke"
To: "Informal discussion between users and developers of BRLTTY."
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: [BRLTTY] getting a command shell on android
[quoted lines by Rob on 2015/04/08 at 08:13 -0500]
Th
To my knowledge, no screen reader allows you to simply scroll the display at a
preset speed; it is tied to the screen readers say all command. What I was
wondering: is it possible to connect autohotkey to BrlApi and have scripts tied
to braille display keys? Right now it's just an idea and I hav
This weekend I built a Linux from Scratch (LFS) system. I installed Brltty into
it and tried to copy the debian init script. That didn't work, however.
Install_initd complained:
"no script provides mountkernfs"
What is that, anyway?
Next I tried running it through inittab, as per the Brltty manua
I am running a Galaxy S6 with a Braille sense Mini, Android Lollipop. The
communication method is bluetooth. Brltty 5.2, I don't know the build number.
But I downloaded it a couple of months ago.
When the screen turns itself off, and you hit the power button to reactivate,
the display does not w
and developers of BRLTTY."
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 5:19 AM
Subject: Re: [BRLTTY] Android: Display does not reactivate after phone
unlock
[quoted lines by Rob on 2015/06/10 at 12:22 -0500]
I am running a Galaxy S6 with a Braille sense Mini, Android Lollipop. The
communication
Make sure "Save on exit" is checked in the preferences menu, under menu
options.
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From: "John J. Boyer"
To:
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 8:29 AM
Subject: [BRLTTY] Making the contraction table permanent
Whenever I reboot I have to reset the contraction table. I use
I am in the market for a new desktop braille display. The desktop display I
have currently is getting very old and it cannot be serviced anymore, should
it break. In addition, it is getting difficult to find boards that I can afford
with serial ports. The ones I do find are older, refurbished m
Jason White wrote:
The Focus 40 Blue
I have access to one of these via my current employer. It works well with
every operating system that I've tried, which amounts to almost all of
them at
this point. BRLTTY 5.2 supports it well.
This is actually top of my list, because it looks pretty snaz
Rasmussen, Lloyd wrote:
If you want modern features such as Bluetooth, it may be time to buy a new
display. But you shouldn't discount USB-to-serial converters. They can work
well, especially if they have an authentic FTDI chipset.
It's more than wanting modern features; although that does play
Using the BRLTTY android app, how do you type capital letters on your braille
keyboard when using it as an input source on your Android device? I am using a
Braille Sense.
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My braille device is a Braille Sense.
The Brltty documentation for Android says:
The "accessibility focus" feature of Android is used for cursor tracking and
routing. It's a soft cursor, not visible on the screen, that can be
programmatically associated with any screen element. All screen readers
Dave Mielke wrote:
Today I was in the Message Plus app, sending a text message. I was trying
to
bring focus to the edit input area where you could type a message. I hit
space
dot 4 to move down the line, and I saw: Type a Message, but the block
style
cursor did not appear until I picked up th
Dave Mielke wrote:
That worked. But the block style cursor did not show up indicating a
text area. That's what was throwing me off.
Sometimes, on Android, you need to long click a text area to open it.
Maybe you
could try to see if that text area is one of those.
Well, that worked. I didn't
Dave Mielke wrote:
I haven't ever tried Message Plus, so I'm doing a bit of guessing, here.
I'm
guessing that the button is still disabled, which it probably starts out
as
being when there's nothing in the input area. Is a sighted person
available to
watch the screen in order to confirm this?
Okay, I have had a whole weekend out of town to use my phone, so I waited to
respond until I was back, with a little more information.
Dave Mielke wrote:
I use the phone with both braille and Talkback, and the button was
not "dimmed."
That's odd. This is something I clearly need to have a mu
I'm still working on my navigation problems, in between getting my housemoving
over with. In the meantime, here's something else.
Whenever I start up my Galaxy, a little dialog that says something about Brltty
wanting to access a USB device comes up. There is a checkbox that says use as
default
When I use my Braille Sense as an input source, I notice that Talkback echoes
the characters in a really high voice. Is this normal, or how can you change
this?
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Dave Mielke wrote:
< Is it possible that both TalkBack and brltty are speaking? What's brltty's
> Speech Support set to?
Speech support is set to native.
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Dave Mielke wrote:
[quoted lines by Rob on 2015/09/15 at 08:21 -0500]
I believe that TalkBack does speak typed characters at a slightly higher
pitch.
I'm not sure if that can be customized.
That slightly higher pitch isn't what I'd describe as squeaking, though.
It's
I connected a Braille Sense to my Linux box, running a custom built LFS distro.
I first put the unit into terminal mode, using USB. Brltty did not see it.
Here's what dmesg says:
[1827726.693048] usb 1-4: new high-speed USB device number 15 using ehci-pci
[1827728.885088] usb 3-2: new full-speed U
Dave Mielke wrote:
Which model of Braille Sense, and which release of brltty?
Braille Sense Mini, Brltty 5.2 rev unknown.
There was a problem of this nature that's been fixed in the
development stream.
Are you able to test with the latest code?
I'll try that tomorrow.
By the way, in order to
Dave Mielke wrote:
Could you please send
a copy of your /sys/kernel/debug/usb/devices file while your Braille
Sense is
connected?
No such file; ../debug is empty.
Now, I cloned the latest code from git.
Use -L (uppercase) to specify the path to the log file you'd like to
create,
and use -
Dave Mielke
>
> Could you please send a copy of your /sys/kernel/debug/usb/devices file while
> your braille Sense is connected?
there is no such file; I put that in the message.
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Some distributions don't mount the kernel's debug file system. Try:
mount -t debugfs debugfs /yss/kernel/debug
I think you wanted /sys/kernel/debug, there. Fixed that, and we have it
mounted.
Indeed. Could you do lsusb both before and after running brltty in
order to
verif
Dave Mielke wrote:> I hope you don't mind me asking what I'm
hoping is a stupid question, but is it
> possible that, maybe, the device is set to use Bluetooth rather than USB?
I thought of that and double checked. We're using the USB port. It runs fine on
windows, so it isn't the cable. I tried
Dave Mielke wrote:
Did you check with lsusb as well? If lsusb isn't showing it then
brltty won't
see it. If, on the other hand, lsusb does show it but brltty isn't
seeing it
then there'd likely be a problem with brltty.
Okay. I reset the Braille Sense, and now something shows up with lsusb.
T
Dave Mielke wrote:
> That looks like it.
I ran brltty -b auto and it now works. At first it didn't, and I was going to
hunt down log files, but then I had a forehead smacker moment and realized I
forgot to put sudo in front of the command.
That was a rather odd situation.
Thanks, all, for your h
I cannot find a price breakdown for the Handy Tech Basic Braille models.
Does anyone here know how much the 40, 64 and 80 cell units cost? I need
to upgrade my desktop display soon.
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The entry in the manual for this feature is rather sketchy, so I have some
questions.
1. Where exactly do you set up the alerts to sound?
2. I have two sound cards. Where do I set the PCM device to use? I want to have
the tunes come out of card 1.
Now, onto the Braille Sense bindings.
You cycle t
Dave Mielke wrote:
1. Where exactly do you set up the alerts to sound?
I'm not exactly sure what you're asking.
Where are the tunable events listed at? Like arrowing beyond the last
line, things like that.
You cycle through the menu options with the backward and forward
scroll buttons. B
Dave Mielke wrote:
> Some items have lots of choices. If you accidentally go one too far then it
> can
> be a long way around. It's handy, therefore, to also have a way to go
> backward.
For that, you use the backspace key. It has no other function in the menu
system.
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Dave Mielke wrote:
Just to confirm, you mean the Dot7 key?
>
> If so, do you still want Space for going forward, or maybe using Dot8 to go
> forward would be more symmetric.
Yes, using dot 8 would be better, now that you mention it. That key also has no
function in the menu system, as I recall.
What is the history of Brltty? I have to admit, it is an indispensable tool in
my arsenal, but how did it all get started to end up as the wonderful program
it is today? As a side note, how many of us use Brltty as our sole means of
navigating in Linux?
I hope this message isn't too off topic, b
Mario Lang wrote:
I'd like to take this opportunity and publicly thank Dave for the
absolutely wonderful work he has been doing since he took maintainance
over.
I second that. I came to Linux in--I think--about 2010, at which time I
had no braille display and I was stuck using the E Squeak synt
I will soon be receiving a Handy Tech Basic Braille 40. I wish to use it on
both my windows and Linux box.
Now I know we have covered this before but I cannot recall what the verdict
was. Similar to a serial switch, I want a device that will switch USB devices
from one box to another. What devic
Vincent LE GOFF wrote:
Absolutely. When I move the system cursor using tab or the arrow
keys, say, in a file, the Braille display is refreshed. But I can't
move around using the keys of the Braille device. Perhaps it's a
feature that hasn't been added to Orca, which I haven't tested in
a
Jason White wrote:
If your system is running systemd (if you have the systemctl command
available, then it is), you need to install a systemd unit file for
BRLTTY and
enable it. Check whether it's installed with
systemctl status brltty
I've been giving some thought to installing systemd on
In speakup, you can press a key to hear which line/column you are located at. I
wasn't able to find a similar command for BRLTTY. Does such a command exist?
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Dave mielke wrote:
> There's no way to speak the location of the braille window or to show in
> braille the location of the speech cursor.
Is there a reason for this? It would seem that would be a somewhat important
piece of information to have.
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Dave Mielke wrote:
Perhaps you misunderstood me. There's a braille way to know where the
braille
window is, and there's a speech way to know where the speech cursor
is. So, in
fact, the information is absoutely available. It's just that there's
no speech
way to know where the braille window is
Dave Mielke wrote:
There's also the INFO command that siwtches to a one line display of
status
information. Which type of display do you have?
I've got a Braille Sense U-2 Mini.
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Anders Holmberg wrote:
Hi!
I have just downloaded the latest brltty source and compiled it.
However it does not start automatically even if it is configured
with-init-pat=/sbin/real_init.
Is there any way of making things work correctly.
Did you try the udev rules? That works great for me.
John J. Boyer wrote:
Once in a while my computer becomes totally unresonsive and I have to
pull the plug to get things going.
Is it unresponsive just in one terminal? Can you switch terminals and
then try and restart brltty?
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kendell clark wrote:
> Of course then there's no
> speech, but this'll get fixed so I'm not worried about it.
Why would you want speech in Brltty anyway, when you have speakup? Brltty's
primary purpose is for driving braille devices.
Just wondering.
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kendell clark wrote:
> Speakup has never played very nice with pulse audio. The issue seems to
> be that after you log in, all speech in the console stops.
Running pulse in system mode was supposed to have fixed that. Is this no longer
the case?
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kendell clark wrote:
I've never been able to get this to work. Is there a guide I can follow
to try this?
It has been a very long time since I played with pulse. There might be
something on the arch wiki though.
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kendell clark wrote:
Instead of helping me fix it, the pulse audio people act like
children, insisting it's not their bug.
Can't you still run desktops like XFCE and Mate without Pulse Audio?
Or Isn't there a way to have pulse called ona per application basis?
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Some note takers have a vibration motor in them nowadays. Is it possible for
BRLTTY to activate that motor? This would be particularly useful, for example,
in the android app.
Yes, phones can vibrate, too. However, another option never hurts, does it?
Dave Mielke wrote:
> What's probably happening is that the conversation lines are scrolling on the
> screen.
If you have your irc window in a Screen session you can press C-A left bracket
and enter copy mode. This loads the contents of the screen into a buffer for
easier perusal. BRLTTY has a
Brian Tew wrote:
> Maybe if I pipe the irc thru tail -1 it may help.
What irc client are you using?
I think the only real, no-frills solution is to read faster lol. I'm lucky
that with an induction loop and a braille display I can still follow irc pretty
well.
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Brian Tew wrote:
Rob, what is an induction loop?
It's basically a loop of wire that sends audio signals via the t-coils in
hearing aids. See this page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_induction_loop
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I downloaded
brltty-latest.apk
yesterday and still notice the problem that the home screen items are still not
read on my Lollipop. All I see is
Quick Notifications
as I move through the items using the touch screen. Is this a Lollipop problem
or a Brltty problem.
Yesterday, I got an iGrill bluetooth thermometer and installed its app,
iDevices Connected.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.idevicesllc.connected
When you launch the app,, you have a little dashboard with all your connected
iGrill devices. You double tap on the device to enter i
Are there any plans to register this app on the play store so you can just
install it using that mechanism? Would be a lot easier than installing ADB,
which has some hoops you have to jump through in order to make it work.
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Well this is interesting. Today I picked up an RCA Voyager Pro tablet. Just
something to play around with. I have a Samsung Galaxy S6 phone as well. My
portable display is a Braille Sense U-2 Mini.
When on the home screen in the Galaxy, BRLTTY only says
"Quick notifications"
or
"Recent Apps Back
Dave Mielke wrote:
> What happens on the Samsung when you're on a screen that isn't the launcher?
All the apps seem to read well except the home screen. I don't spend enough
time on the home screen for it to be much of a problem. However, if braille
were my only means of interacting with the ph
I tried sending this earlier but not sure it got through.
This app
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=sk.vx.connectbot
causes BRLTTY to enter into a crashing loop where it tries over and over again
to restart itself.
Since I can't use ADB to capture a log (no usb drivers for this tablet
This app
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=sk.vx.connectbot
causes BRLTTY to crash. It goes into a continuous cycle of trying to restart
itself over and over again when I try and enter the app.
Since I appear unable to use ADB to capture a log, how can I get it off the
device so we ca
Dave Mielke wrote:
> Have you enabled USB debugging? It's disabled by default.
It is enabled. The problem is that there are no USB drivers for this tablet.
Therefore, ADB cannot see it; and the standard google driver will not install.
Windows just claims the best driver for the device is alread
Dave Mielke wrote:
> Does the same problem occur on your Samsung? If yes, can you use adb with it?
Got the app to work on my Samsung. However, it appears it is almost completely
inacessible once you actually connect to a host. It looks like I need to find a
better ssh client.
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First there's no mention of this in the hotkeys table. It tells you how to get
in and out of the preferences menu, but not how to select different menu items.
Unless I missed it.
It was by accident that I found hitting different routing keys changed the
selection. This should be altered. Perhaps
I noticed today that cursor routing doesn't work here. When you push a routing
button, the display fills with a bunch of garbage. Just out of curiosity, what
is missing that cursor routing doesn't work at the login prompt?
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My current project is to build a little hint document for LFS (Linux from
Scratch) about enabling accessibility services in the base system.
I'm currently at discussing BRLTTY.
When talking about build options, since we do not currently have most of the
support structure in the base system, I'm
Samuel Thibault wrote:
> That being said, you'll probably want the python bindings, so that Orca
> can be used to access the graphical desktop.
I will not be covering that, because Python is not installed in the base LFS
system. I believe Orca already has pretty thorough documentation on instal
I copied the included
"udev.rules"
from the BRLTTY source package to
"/etc/udev/rules.d/brltty"
and left it at that. This is a systemd based Linux build. I use this method on
my other system to have BRLTTY start automatically and it works great.
However, when I boot the new system, I see
"BRLTY 5.
Dave Mielke wrote:
> What I'd like to know first is if your udev
> rules file tries to invoke brltty directly or if it uses systemd.
It is the udev.rules file included in the brltty-5.4.tar.gz source tree. I did
not modify it except to place it in a new location.
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Dave Mielke wrote:
> The check it makes is to look for /sys/fs/group/systemd. Does your system
> have
> this directory?
It does not.
I don't have to start BRLTTY via udev rules though. I can just enable the
systemd service> that came in the source tree as well.
Unless we can fix the udev rules
Dave Mielke wrote:
> The otehr is a script named brltty-wrapper that you
> need to put in /usr/lib/udev/ and make sure it's executable.
I don't have
"/usr/lib/udev"
, but I do have
"/lib/udev"
. Will that work?
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Dave Mielke wrote:
> Yes, it should work.
Maybe, or maybe not. I got a message on my console about USB class 0 or host 0
or something like that already being claimed by USBHID whatever it was. I had
to manually start BRLTTY; the rules didn't seem to have kicked in.
I put the rules file you sent
Dave Mielke wrote:
> I don't know what order it ends up in if you don't prefix the file name with
> a
> number. I use: 90-brltty.rules
Oh, I'll try that and see what happens.
I rebooted last time and yes, the wrapper was executable.
Will report back here with the next boot.
I rebooted the system today and BRLTTY still did not come up via the rules.
Could it be looking in the wrong path?
I have BRLTTY installed in
"--prefix=/usr"
so maybe it's not looking there?
The
"brltty-wrapper"
script is executable
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1188 Sep 14 01:39 brltty-wrapper
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Dave Mielke wrote:
> To make sure that you have the right rules file, verify these two lines in it:
>
>453: RUN+="brltty-wrapper"
>457: RUN+="brltty-wrapper -C"
Yes, I do have those lines.
> Is your rules file now named 90-brltty.rules?
it sure is. It lives in:
"/lib/udev/rules.d/90-b
Dave Mielke wrote:
> Then, without rebooting, connect your braille device. The log should show us
> what the script is doing.
It didn't do anything. No /tmp log file was created.
In case /tmp was not writeable I changed the path to /root. NO log.
Here's what the script now looks like in case so
Where does this script go?
the service file obviously goes in
"/etc/systemd/system"
but what about the script? Why do we even have a wrapper script anyway? Just
curious
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I figured out that
"make install-systemd"
would put everything where it was supposed to be.
However, running
"systemctl start brltty"
gave the message
"Failed to start brltty.service: Unit brl...@-etc-brltty.conf.service not
found."
How do I fix that?
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Dave Mielke wrote:
> Unless I figure out a nicer way to do it, a target unit (rather than a
> service
> unit) is used now. This change was made in order to support multiple brltty
> processes that have their own configuration files.
Okay, I'll grav the latest development code and give that a w
I transferred the system had built to another computer. This time the
90-brltty.rules
and
brltty-wrapper
worked.
But I saw some weird messages from the kernel. Every other second or so, it
said something like
{ long_dmesg_number usb_fs interface claimed by USBHID while 'brltty' sets
config 1 }
Dave Mielke wrote:
> Did you put brltty-wrapper in /lib/udev or in /usr/lib/udev on this second
> system?
It went in
/lib/udev
It was an imaged disk that I unzipped into another partition.
> Please, if you can, get the actual message. I don't like trying to come up
> with
> an informed answer
Dave Mielke wrote:
> It should be in your system log (probably something like /var/log/messages).
Ok, here's what the message says.
If you know a way to suppress these messages please do share.
I tried setting
ForwardToConsole=no
in
/etc/systemd/journald.conf
but no go. As you can see from the ca
Dave Mielke wrote:
> This usually means that there's more than one brltty process running at the
> same time that's trying to access the same device. This may actually be true.
> You probably have one being started by udev/systemd, and another that's the
> default brltty process and that defaul
If your braille device says
screen not in text mode
can you safely assume that your X Window system environment is working?
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Today I pulled Orca:
https://github.com/GNOME/orca.git
and ran:
PYTHON=/usr/bin/python3 ./autogen.sh
./configure -q --prefix=/usr \
--sysconfdir=/etc \
--localstatedir=/var
At the end, configure whined:
NOTE: Braille support requires BrlTTY >= 3.9 and BrlAPI >= 0.5.1.
Use speech-dispatcher: yes
U
I think I figured out why Orca didn't find BRLTTY.
I did not pass
PYTHON=/usr/bin/python3
to the BRLTTY configure script, so the brlapi python bindings were built with
Python 2.7.
Probably the same thing happened with Liblouis.
Having said that, is there a way to build just the brlapi python bind
Dave Mielke wrote:
> My current device is 4.3 (yes, a bit old), so reproducing may not be possible.
Have you ever thought of installing an Android emulator and working with that,
if you cannot get a hold of an actual new device?
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Hello:
I seem to be unable to read the keys for dos 7-8 from a Braille Connect 24
using BrlAPI. Is this currently possible?
Rob
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Sorry, I mean reading these keys from the client.
Rob
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sébastien
Hinderer
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 10:17 PM
To: brltty@mielke.cc
Subject: Re: [BRLTTY] Reading Dots 7-8 From BrlAPI
Hi,
> I seem
Samuel,
Using the following two lines of code, I do not get a response for dots 7 or 8:
while(brlapi_readKey(0,&code))
fprintf(stderr,"got it!
(code=%"BRLAPI_PRIxKEYCODE")\n",code);
Of course, I do get codes for the other dot keys.
Ro
For dot 1, I get 0x20220001. For dot 6, I get 0x20220020.
In this case, I am using a Braille Connect 24, and am expecting a command of
BRLAPI_KEY_CMD_PASSDOTS, which I do in fact get.
Rob
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I am starting BRLTTY with the Baum (bm) driver.
Rob
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Samuel Thibault
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:56 AM
To: Informal discussion between users and developers of BRLTTY.
Subject: Re: [BRLTTY] Reading Dots 7
sent for the specific dot
7 and 8 keys on the Connect 24, but I need pretty specific instructions!
Rob
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Mielke
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 10:12 AM
To: Informal discussion between users and developers of
remember, the Connect 12
has a key between dots 1 and 4 at the top of the face which I believe you are
using for space. There is no such key (called B11) on the Connect 24. So, if we
support dots 7-8 on the Connect 24, how can we distinguish between these dots
and a space?
Rob
-Original
a
similar line, I am not getting any codes for F1 through F4, and these keys
exist on the Connect 12 and the Connect 24. I wonder if strategic use of these
keys could help. Or, perhaps other Baum displays don't provide these keys and
that is why they are not supported in BRLTTY?
Rob
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f B0. In the case of the
Connect 24, you could press them with other keys, but since the thumb would
likely be used to press the function key in this case, it is a bit of a
stretch. It isn't a stretch on the Connect 12.
Rob
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bably use these for shift and control anyway. How are dots 7-8
normally used when typed if not for shift and control? (I realize the technical
difference.)
Rob
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Mielke
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 2:
Dave:
I didn't get the patch in your last message. Could you resend?
Rob
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Mielke
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 3:30 PM
To: Informal discussion between users and developers of BRLTTY.
Subjec
o solve it?
Rob
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Mielke
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 3:30 PM
To: Informal discussion between users and developers of BRLTTY.
Subject: Re: [BRLTTY] Reading Dots 7-8 From BrlAPI
[quoted lines by Rob Meredi
ld prove
useful. What are your thoughts on this?
Rob
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Mielke
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 6:14 PM
To: Informal discussion between users and developers of BRLTTY.
Subject: Re: [BRLTTY] Reading Dots 7-8 From
:/dev/ttyUSB0
Rob
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