Re: About root zones

2012-01-05 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 02.01.12 17:03, Barry Margolin wrote: >In that case, you probably shouldn't enable the option. I'm not even >suggesting that the option be on by default. > >Actually, does libresolv really use those other facilities? In article , Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: highly depends on configurati

Re: About root zones

2012-01-04 Thread WBrown
micho...@cisco.com wrote on 01/03/2012 04:54:51 PM: > Maybe it's because I started in networking... But TCP/IP (or IPv6 these > days) is quite the "subsystem" to avoid. Really, like it or not, you are > actually responsible for understanding interactions with "subsystems" your > managed system

Re: About root zones

2012-01-03 Thread Peter Andreev
2012/1/4 Mark Andrews : > > If you want named to be authoritative only set "recursion no;" or > "allow-recursion { none; }" or "allow-query-cache { none; };" and > no data will be returned from the cache.  allow-recursion and > allow-query-cache cross inherit from each other. > > If you only want m

Re: About root zones

2012-01-03 Thread Mark Andrews
If you want named to be authoritative only set "recursion no;" or "allow-recursion { none; }" or "allow-query-cache { none; };" and no data will be returned from the cache. allow-recursion and allow-query-cache cross inherit from each other. If you only want master zones to send notify messages

Re: About root zones

2012-01-03 Thread michoski
On 1/3/12 12:46 PM, "Kevin Darcy" wrote: > Those server folks have strange ideas about name resolution. Strange > enough that sometimes I don't even understand what the hell they are > trying to accomplish. In all fairness, lots of folks have strange ideas. We should start with standards -- soft

Re: About root zones

2012-01-03 Thread Kevin Darcy
On 1/2/2012 2:16 PM, Barry Margolin wrote: In article, Kevin Darcy wrote: I agree with Matus. BIND should be as self-sufficient as possible, and not make any assumptions about the capability of and/or the data it expects to get from the system resolver If the system resolver is good enough

Re: About root zones

2012-01-03 Thread Peter Andreev
2012/1/3 Chuck Swiger : > On Jan 3, 2012, at 11:13 AM, Peter Andreev wrote: >> Unfortunately as I learning BIND more, I understand that it is not >> very suitable for my requirements. > > Which are?  I've been trying to understand what the actual problem you are > trying to solve might be. I'm no

Re: About root zones

2012-01-03 Thread Barry Margolin
In article , Lyle Giese wrote: > For instance, I want to attach to the server using VNC or SSH for > maintanence. By default, they want to do do a reverse lookup of your ip > address before allowing access. Now you wait for that query to time out > before you can do your work. That's just

Re: About root zones

2012-01-03 Thread Chuck Swiger
On Jan 3, 2012, at 11:13 AM, Peter Andreev wrote: > Unfortunately as I learning BIND more, I understand that it is not > very suitable for my requirements. Which are? I've been trying to understand what the actual problem you are trying to solve might be. Regards, -- -Chuck __

Re: About root zones

2012-01-03 Thread Peter Andreev
2012/1/3 Lyle Giese : > On 01/03/12 07:53, Peter Andreev wrote: >> >> 2012/1/2 Matus UHLAR - fantomas: >>> >>> On 21.12.11 19:21, Peter Andreev wrote: >> >> >> I think that if server is authoritative - and - slave-only it should >> use system resolver rather than querying by

Re: About root zones

2012-01-03 Thread Peter Andreev
2012/1/3 Matus UHLAR - fantomas : >> 2012/1/2 Matus UHLAR - fantomas : >>> >>> I don't see your point now. I'm afraid that you will have to live with >>> the >>> >>> fact that you can not disable sending queries from BIND when it needs >>> them, >>> you can only prevent it by configuring BIND (so i

Re: About root zones

2012-01-03 Thread Lyle Giese
On 01/03/12 07:53, Peter Andreev wrote: 2012/1/2 Matus UHLAR - fantomas: On 21.12.11 19:21, Peter Andreev wrote: I think that if server is authoritative - and - slave-only it should use system resolver rather than querying by itself. 2012/1/2 Matus UHLAR - fantomas: BIND will not use sys

Re: About root zones

2012-01-03 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
2012/1/2 Matus UHLAR - fantomas : I don't see your point now. I'm afraid that you will have to live with the fact that you can not disable sending queries from BIND when it needs them, you can only prevent it by configuring BIND (so it will not need them) or firewall such packets so they will not

Re: About root zones

2012-01-03 Thread Barry Margolin
In article , Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: > >> On Jan 2, 2012, at 2:16 PM, Barry Margolin wrote: > >> > If the system resolver is good enough for every other application > >> > running on the system, it should be good enough for BIND. > >> > > >> > Why not at least allow this as an option? > >

Re: About root zones

2012-01-03 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On Jan 2, 2012, at 2:16 PM, Barry Margolin wrote: > If the system resolver is good enough for every other application > running on the system, it should be good enough for BIND. > > Why not at least allow this as an option? In article , Chuck Swiger wrote: The system resolver will happily pro

Re: About root zones

2012-01-03 Thread Peter Andreev
2012/1/2 Matus UHLAR - fantomas : > On 21.12.11 19:21, Peter Andreev wrote: I think that if server is authoritative - and - slave-only it should use system resolver rather than querying by itself. > > >> 2012/1/2 Matus UHLAR - fantomas : >>> >>> BIND will not use system resolver.

Re: About root zones

2012-01-02 Thread Barry Margolin
In article , Chuck Swiger wrote: > On Jan 2, 2012, at 2:16 PM, Barry Margolin wrote: > > If the system resolver is good enough for every other application > > running on the system, it should be good enough for BIND. > > > > Why not at least allow this as an option? > > The system resolver wi

Re: About root zones

2012-01-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 01/02/2012 11:16, Barry Margolin wrote: > In article , > Kevin Darcy wrote: > >> I agree with Matus. BIND should be as self-sufficient as possible, and >> not make any assumptions about the capability of and/or the data it >> expects to get from the system resolver > > If the system resolv

Re: About root zones

2012-01-02 Thread Chuck Swiger
On Jan 2, 2012, at 2:16 PM, Barry Margolin wrote: > If the system resolver is good enough for every other application > running on the system, it should be good enough for BIND. > > Why not at least allow this as an option? The system resolver will happily provide answers based upon data from /

Re: About root zones

2012-01-02 Thread Barry Margolin
In article , Kevin Darcy wrote: > I agree with Matus. BIND should be as self-sufficient as possible, and > not make any assumptions about the capability of and/or the data it > expects to get from the system resolver If the system resolver is good enough for every other application running o

Re: About root zones

2012-01-02 Thread Kevin Darcy
On 1/2/2012 5:42 AM, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: On 21.12.11 19:21, Peter Andreev wrote: All these servers are slaves. They don't send notifies. 2011/12/21 Matus UHLAR - fantomas : they do, unless you have turned it off... On 22.12.11 11:54, Peter Andreev wrote: Of course I turned it of

Re: About root zones

2012-01-02 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 21.12.11 19:21, Peter Andreev wrote: I think that if server is authoritative - and - slave-only it should use system resolver rather than querying by itself. 2012/1/2 Matus UHLAR - fantomas : BIND will not use system resolver. BIND is the resolver. Relying on other resolver could cause tro

Re: About root zones

2012-01-02 Thread Peter Andreev
2012/1/2 Matus UHLAR - fantomas : >>> On 21.12.11 19:21, Peter Andreev wrote: All these servers are slaves. They don't send notifies. > > >> 2011/12/21 Matus UHLAR - fantomas : >>> >>> they do, unless you have turned it off... > > > On 22.12.11 11:54, Peter Andreev wrote: >> >> Of course

Re: About root zones

2012-01-02 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 21.12.11 19:21, Peter Andreev wrote: All these servers are slaves. They don't send notifies. 2011/12/21 Matus UHLAR - fantomas : they do, unless you have turned it off... On 22.12.11 11:54, Peter Andreev wrote: Of course I turned it off, it's normal practice for slaves, I assume. even

Re: About root zones

2011-12-21 Thread Peter Andreev
David, thank you, I checked and all seems good :). 2011/12/21 Matus UHLAR - fantomas : >> 2011/12/21 Matus UHLAR - fantomas : >>> >>> Disabling recursion should do the same afaik. However, disabling >>> >>> additional-from-cache is OK and afaik disabled by default. > > > On 21.12.11 19:21, Peter A

Re: About root zones

2011-12-21 Thread David Forrest
On Wed, 21 Dec 2011, Peter Andreev wrote: Ok, may be I'm a paranoid and worrying about trifles, but news about compiled in hints astonished me. The test shown here may calm you (if it shows refusal): https://www.dns-oarc.net/oarc/articles/upward-referrals-considered-harmful Dave -- David Fo

Re: About root zones

2011-12-21 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
2011/12/21 Matus UHLAR - fantomas : Disabling recursion should do the same afaik. However, disabling additional-from-cache is OK and afaik disabled by default. On 21.12.11 19:21, Peter Andreev wrote: No, it is enabled by default. server needs to resolve names if it's supposed to send NOTIFY

Re: About root zones

2011-12-21 Thread Peter Andreev
2011/12/21 Matus UHLAR - fantomas : > On 20.12.11 17:37, Peter Andreev wrote: >> >> Whether it means that without hint zone named still can perform >> iterative lookups for its internal purposes? > > > On 21.12.11 13:05, Peter Andreev wrote: >> >> Well, we run a bunch of authoritati

Re: About root zones

2011-12-21 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 20.12.11 17:37, Peter Andreev wrote: Whether it means that without hint zone named still can perform iterative lookups for its internal purposes? On 21.12.11 13:05, Peter Andreev wrote: Well, we run a bunch of authoritative-only slave servers and obviously they don't have to perform any kin

RE: About root zones

2011-12-21 Thread Lightner, Jeff
+jlightner=water@lists.isc.org [mailto:bind-users-bounces+jlightner=water@lists.isc.org] On Behalf Of Peter Andreev Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 4:05 AM To: bind-users@lists.isc.org Subject: Re: About root zones 2011/12/21 Matus UHLAR - fantomas : >>>> 2

Re: About root zones

2011-12-21 Thread Peter Andreev
2011/12/21 Matus UHLAR - fantomas : 2011/12/20 Mark Andrews : > >        Named has a compiled in set of root hints.  It is used if >        a root zone is not defined in named.conf. > > >>> On 20.12.11 17:37, Peter Andreev wrote: Whether it means that without hint zone na

Re: About root zones

2011-12-21 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
2011/12/20 Mark Andrews :        Named has a compiled in set of root hints.  It is used if        a root zone is not defined in named.conf. On 20.12.11 17:37, Peter Andreev wrote: Whether it means that without hint zone named still can perform iterative lookups for its internal purposes? 2

Re: About root zones

2011-12-21 Thread Peter Andreev
2011/12/20 Matus UHLAR - fantomas : >> 2011/12/20 Mark Andrews : >>> >>>        Named has a compiled in set of root hints.  It is used if >>>        a root zone is not defined in named.conf. > > > On 20.12.11 17:37, Peter Andreev wrote: >> >> Whether it means that without hint zone named still can

Re: About root zones

2011-12-20 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
2011/12/20 Mark Andrews :        Named has a compiled in set of root hints.  It is used if        a root zone is not defined in named.conf. On 20.12.11 17:37, Peter Andreev wrote: Whether it means that without hint zone named still can perform iterative lookups for its internal purposes? yes

Re: About root zones

2011-12-20 Thread Peter Andreev
2011/12/20 Mark Andrews : > >        Named has a compiled in set of root hints.  It is used if >        a root zone is not defined in named.conf. > >        Mark Whether it means that without hint zone named still can perform iterative lookups for its internal purposes? > > -- > Mark Andrews, ISC

Re: About root zones

2011-12-20 Thread Mark Andrews
Named has a compiled in set of root hints. It is used if a root zone is not defined in named.conf. Mark -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: ma...@isc.org

About root zones

2011-12-20 Thread 00Lxns
127.0.0.1 +norecurse ns will be refused, but dig @127.0.0.1 return answer (recursive query). Its all ok, but... From where Bind gets informations about root zone? If I comment line 'include "/etc/bind/named.conf.default-zones"' should not be any informations for about ro