MVC - the 'meme drift' was Re: return(bless $rant, $class) || Fwd: PHP vs Perl

On Wednesday, Jul 30, 2003, at 06:28 US/Pacific, Ovid wrote: [..] hi ovid, et al, let me first start with a bit of Dan Akroyd of SNL fame, "Ovid, you spawn of a hairless ape" The good news seems to be that we DO agree that a root cause analysis of the 'MVC as meme' can be laid four square up

Re: return(bless $rant, $class) || Fwd: PHP vs Perl

--- drieux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ovid, > > I love the smell of 'primate-ism' > > It could be merely the way that you are presenting the > problem - and a desire to defend an anachronistic model > of MVC, based upon the underlying 'primate-ism', and > the scary thought of 'recursion' i

Re: return(bless $rant, $class) || Fwd: PHP vs Perl

On Monday, Jul 28, 2003, at 12:24 US/Pacific, Todd W. wrote: [..] Remember, I am of the "this AND that" philosophy, so you can walk, run, dirt bike, or staddle two bandwagons at the same time if you like, and, as long as you get where you are going, I will agree that it was done correctly. [..]

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"Drieux" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > So you will forgive me if I do not opt to jump onto the > new band wagon that 'all developers' should wax their > surfBoards, because is the Next Big Wave that will > solve all problems end to end, as I will counter, your >

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On Sunday, Jul 27, 2003, at 20:03 US/Pacific, Todd W. wrote: "Drieux" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [..] But First off - COOL RANT! I was hoping that _some_ day I could string a few sentences together as well as you do =0) [..] flattery will get you out of some proble

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s for perl Image::Magick ... Teddy, Teddy's Center: http://teddy.fcc.ro/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Scot Robnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Octavian Rasnita" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sun

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Octavian, In some respects I believe you are correct. Here are my 2cents... 1) It is really not good to enable mod_perl by default. Doing so would dramatically increase the size of the Apache binary. Enabling all scripts to run through Apache::Registry would break half the scripts that exist o

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e, MySQL and possibly other tools for programmers, because most programmers that test their programs locally need them. ... Teddy, Teddy's Center: http://teddy.fcc.ro/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Todd W." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PRO

Re: return(bless $rant, $class) || Fwd: PHP vs Perl

"Camilo Gonzalez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Okay, this is a beginner's list. What the hell is MVC? How do you hash > an algorithm? > As far as the hash algorithm, this concerns perl hashes. As you ( probably ) know, perl has a built in data structure called

Re: return(bless $rant, $class) || Fwd: PHP vs Perl

"Drieux" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Todd either Paused for more MountainDew or had a Moment: > [..] > > Those last two paragraphs were total rant, and I probably > > have no idea what I'm talking about, but they are getting posted > > anyway ;0) > [..] > > I

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"Octavian Rasnita" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > I think the reason why PHP is used more and more much than Perl is that for > CGI related programs it is much simpler to use than perl. Octavian , you haven't _proved_ that PHP is used more than perl. > For example

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On Sunday, Jul 27, 2003, at 13:25 US/Pacific, Octavian Rasnita wrote: [..] It is not very easy to install support for SSL, or the library for creating images for perl, while for PHP is much easier. [..] let's think about this for a moment - do you know which SSL layer you are working with in PHP a

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"Octavian Rasnita" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 8:35 PM Subject: RE: PHP vs Perl I think there are a couple of myths that need to be cleared up from that post. First, the idea that PDF manipulation and secure payment modules "don&#x

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On Sunday, Jul 27, 2003, at 12:57 US/Pacific, Jon Hogue wrote: [..] With CGI::FormBuilder, I couldn't imagine CGI being any easier... cf: cf: Oh SURE, now you advocate that for those who read comments

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y complicated. Teddy, Teddy's Center: http://teddy.fcc.ro/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "zentara" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 7:43 PM Subject: Re: PHP vs Perl On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 21:38:08 +0200,

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On Sunday, Jul 27, 2003, at 09:55 US/Pacific, Octavian Rasnita wrote: [..] I know that PHP is much more limited even for CGI programs than perl, but for simple tasks it is much better. And... most CGI programs are not extremly complicated. [..] That really is the crux of the problem. How 'complex

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ddy's Center: http://teddy.fcc.ro/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "zentara" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 7:43 PM Subject: Re: PHP vs Perl On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 21:38:08 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Octavi

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the language that makes most of my projects work is Perl. -Original Message- From: Octavian Rasnita [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 1:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PHP vs Perl I think the reason why PHP is used more and more much than Perl is tha

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On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 21:38:08 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Octavian Rasnita) wrote: >I think the reason why PHP is used more and more much than Perl is that for >CGI related programs it is much simpler to use than perl. I don't mess around with php, but I do follow the discussions of it's merits vs.

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volks, p0: let's chill a bit and think about the 'well reasoned' portions of the kvetch so far. { the alternative is the I WILL let my Pixies Out and that will not be a pretty sight... } Prefatory Kvetch: I think one of the ultimate problems is that unlike the benchmarking that we can do inside

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- From: "Wiggins d'Anconia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 1:05 AM Subject: Re: PHP vs Perl Octavian Rasnita wrote: > I think the reason why PHP is used more and more much than Perl is that for > CGI related programs it i

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Octavian Rasnita wrote: I think the reason why PHP is used more and more much than Perl is that for CGI related programs it is much simpler to use than perl. For example it has a set of libraries for the most used functions in a CGI program, for example SSL support, a module for reading and creati

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m: "Todd W." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 11:26 PM Subject: Re: PHP vs Perl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > One of the coolest answers is at: > > > >http://us2.php.net/

Re: return(bless $rant, $class) || Fwd: PHP vs Perl

drieux wrote: On Friday, Jul 25, 2003, at 13:20 US/Pacific, Ovid wrote: c. we find a way to cage the primates and leave the land free for FriendsOfThePixies to roam freely across the much happier land where no one ever changes the Freaking Underlying Layer that they coded to... Some would argue th

Re: return(bless $rant, $class) || Fwd: PHP vs Perl

On Friday, Jul 25, 2003, at 13:20 US/Pacific, Ovid wrote: --- drieux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Great Questions! MVC - Model,View,Controller it is a design pattern, a way of 'looking at' the problem and understanding which parts belong where.

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--- drieux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Great Questions! > > MVC - Model,View,Controller > > it is a design pattern, a way of 'looking at' > the problem and understanding which parts belong where. > > 1&q=Model%2CView%2CController&btnG=Google+S

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Please tell me what MVC means. Thanks. Teddy - Original Message - From: Camilo Gonzalez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: drieux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: cgi cgi-list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 7:46 AM Subject: Re: return(bless $rant, $class) || Fwd: PHP

Re: return(bless $rant, $class) || Fwd: PHP vs Perl

On Thursday, Jul 24, 2003, at 21:46 US/Pacific, Camilo Gonzalez wrote: [..] Okay, this is a beginner's list. What the hell is MVC? How do you hash an algorithm? Great Questions! MVC - Model,View,Controller it is a design pattern, a way of 'looking at' the problem and understanding which parts bel

Re: return(bless $rant, $class) || Fwd: PHP vs Perl

drieux wrote: Todd either Paused for more MountainDew or had a Moment: [..] Those last two paragraphs were total rant, and I probably have no idea what I'm talking about, but they are getting posted anyway ;0) [..] I would like be so totally opposed to your position if it were not for most of

return(bless $rant, $class) || Fwd: PHP vs Perl

Todd either Paused for more MountainDew or had a Moment: [..] Those last two paragraphs were total rant, and I probably have no idea what I'm talking about, but they are getting posted anyway ;0) [..] I would like be so totally opposed to your position if it were not for most of the dark horro

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<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > One of the coolest answers is at: > > > >http://us2.php.net/manual/en/faq.languages.php#faq.languages.perl > > > > where it notes that Perl is a complicated language that comes from > > a time before the web whereas PHP was

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On Wednesday, Jul 23, 2003, at 07:59 US/Pacific, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [..] I would tend to disagree with why they "changed" cults, and argue that it wasn't that one was easier to use to code it up, but more that their situation had changed. [..] How about the compromise position, coders chan

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On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 00:59:29 -0700, drieux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tuesday, Jul 22, 2003, at 20:10 US/Pacific, Wiggins d'Anconia wrote: > > Octavian Rasnita wrote: > [..] > >> Of course, he was talking about CGI programming, because I kn

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On Tuesday, Jul 22, 2003, at 20:10 US/Pacific, Wiggins d'Anconia wrote: Octavian Rasnita wrote: [..] Of course, he was talking about CGI programming, because I know that Perl can do much more than CGI programming like PHP. As much as we jest at your expense I suppose a "real" answer should be give

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Octavian Rasnita wrote: Hi all, Talking about PHP, someone asked me to tell him why is PHP better and why it is used more than Perl. I don't know what to tell him because I don't know PHP, but I've seen that it is used more and more and I guess that there are more PHP scripts than Perl scripts now

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[..] Talking about PHP, someone asked me to tell him why is PHP better and why it is used more than Perl. [..] This might be a good time to point people towards the MVC - Model, View, Controller approach for doing software development. { just google search on Model, View, Controller for fun } W

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Rasnita [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 4:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PHP vs Perl Hi all, Talking about PHP, someone asked me to tell him why is PHP better and why it is used more than Perl. I don't know what to tell him because I don't know PHP, but

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On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 00:39:30 +0300, "Octavian Rasnita" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > > Talking about PHP, someone asked me to tell him why is PHP better and why it > is used more than Perl. > I don't know what to tell him because I don't

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Hi all, Talking about PHP, someone asked me to tell him why is PHP better and why it is used more than Perl. I don't know what to tell him because I don't know PHP, but I've seen that it is used more and more and I guess that there are more PHP scripts than Perl scripts now, so I think he could be