>PS I guess that Ice Kobolds programmed in SNOBAL, others spoke with a LISP,
>and all of us were playing an RPG, looking for Perls and other treasure,
>skipping school and getting C's in class(es)
>
>How's that for programming language alliteration?
Not bad, but I think you missed out on the
>>Dean Theophilou [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote
>>Yes, that's right, but they program in "Kobol". :))
Then how do they keep all those variables that you have to declare in Cobol
(you can't just use a variable in a print out, if you want to suppress zeros
and stuff like that). I could never keep all
Yes, that's right, but they program in "Kobol". :))
Dean (I, too, played wyyy to much AD&D).
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From: Gene Martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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>>>Dean Theophilou Genisar wrote:
>>>The only good thing about the nasty little Kobols are that
>>>Dean Theophilou Genisar wrote:
>>>The only good thing about the nasty little Kobols are that they have
>>>only 1-4 hit points (if I remember correctly). :))
That would be Kobolds, which have 1/2 hit die (1-4 hit points), have faces
like dogs and bark like them...
Gene (who played way too mu
]
Subject: [drifting OT]Re: PERL IS NOT A HIGH LEVEL LANGUAGE
And what's wrong with COBOL?
It enabled a team of never more than 4 programmers to develop a totally
in-house Dealer management system for a Ford Main Dealer Group, over a 10
year period, containing over 850k lines of code, deve
On Mon, 20 Aug 2001, Bkwyrm wrote:
> Has anyone out there noticed that,
> when shopping at almost any of the huge
> book conglomerates,
> Perl is almost never shelved with the rest
> of the programming languages,
> but instead with Javascript and HTML in
> the "Web" section?
Harrumph indeed! Th
*- chucking in my extreme newbie's 2-cents'-worth -*
Has anyone out there noticed that,
when shopping at almost any of the huge
book conglomerates,
Perl is almost never shelved with the rest
of the programming languages,
but instead with Javascript and HTML in
the "Web" section?
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On Mon, Aug 20, 2001 at 09:24:12AM +0100, Gary Stainburn wrote:
> And what's wrong with COBOL?
[snip]
> COBOL is great where it's meant to be, developing business systems ( provided
> you're a fast typer).
Of course, if you really have to write COBOL, you get Perl to generate
it for you
W!!!
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Jon Acierto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 12:46 PM
> > Subject: PERL IS NOT A HIGH LEVEL LANGUAGE
> >
> > &
bit about "...with 2 years of serious cobol..."
> RUN to the nearest exit!! NOW!!!
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jon Acierto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 12:46 PM
> Subject: PERL I
me:
Barbara wrote:
> ### snip ###
> Jon, thank you for your inquiry. I sent your
> description of your programming background to the C++
> application reviewer and received this input: "i have
> to agree with Will's assessment. perl is not a high
> level language.
18, 2001 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: PERL IS NOT A HIGH LEVEL LANGUAGE
> Suggested reply (add content at will):
> Dear admissions counselor,
> Thanks for taking the time to review my question. Your response suggests
that your experience with
> Perl, or programming with it may not be wel
t; I'm getting tired of this thread... let's talk about regexp's...
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ray Barker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Jon Acierto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturda
Seems right. I am aware of the Pissing-Off-Potential of this growing(?)
situation. Hehe, but it is all too fun, and to stand down and let them
be...well it wouldn't be right. Besides, there are ways to tell people that
the world isn't flat without getting yourself killed.
So to update the list
Jim Conner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Perl is NOT an interpreted language (such as the BASIC language I learned in
>>high school, many, many years ago).
>
>Just a minor correction (semantics only). Perl *is* an interpreted
>language where BASIC and C are compiled languages. I believe everyone
On 8/18/01 9:55 AM, Matthew Peter Lyon wrote:
> I'm getting tired of this thread... let's talk about regexp's...
Sorry if this sounds a bit curt, but if you don't like the thread, don't
read it. 'Nuff said.
-Michael Kelly
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el language, I get this from the Admissions
> Councellor at the U.W. ext.:
>
> Jon, thank you for your inquiry.
> I sent your description of your programming background to the C++
> application reviewer and received this input:
> "i have to agree with will's assessment. perl is
> Ask Bjoern Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Java developers. If they wanted Perl or Python programmers,
> that would be a bit frightening-- that's starting to sound
> like a company where the technical side, at least, is run by
> real hackers."
Or people who realize perl is a wonderful rapi
I'm getting tired of this thread... let's talk about regexp's...
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To: "Jon Acierto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 12:22 AM
Subj
Hansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: PERL IS NOT A HIGH LEVEL LANGUAGE
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> > This thread is quite curious to me. Perl in most respects is a
> > *higher* level
> "Jose" == Jose Torres <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Jose> All I can say is
Jose> THOSE WHO CAN DO
Jose> THOSE WHO CAN'T TEACH.
Hey! Watch it, bud. Them's fightin' words. :)
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> This thread is quite curious to me. Perl in most respects is a
> *higher* level language than C or C++. [...]
Right.
In "Beating the Averages" Paul Graham (founder of ViaWeb,
now Yahoo! Stores) writes, among other things, about high
level languages:
http://www.paul
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Date: August 18, 2001 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: PERL IS NOT A HIGH LEVEL LANGUAGE
Jon and List:
Sometimes in life it is necessary to fight back, not because it is a
good exercise, but rather to try to correct injustices and misgui
On Aug 17, Jon Acierto said:
>"i have to agree with will's assessment. perl is not a high level
>language. it amounts to a scripting language. simply having 2 years of
>working with perl says nothing about whether he has worked on more complex
>problems or has developed
and Perl to be high-level, but that's simply
>my own personal way of categorizing.
>
>
>
>
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>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 3:11 PM
>To: Dean Theophilou
>Cc: Jon Acierto; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: PERL IS NOT A HIGH LEVEL LANGUAGE and What is a Script
> "Dean Theophilou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> I understand what you're saying but the fact remains: STRICTLY speaking,
> Perl is NOT an interpreted language
> "Dean Theophilou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> I understand what you're saying but the fact remains: STRICTLY speaking,
> Perl is NOT an interpreted language (such as the BASIC language I learned in
> high school, many, many years ago). Sure, there is an interpreter, but
> there is also a
>
> However, because the educational institutions are so full of these types,
> many colleges still require Cobol to be taken if you are pursuing a CS
> degree. I suppose they think they're offering something useful that'll help
> you in today's world of computers - that by itself shows how out
University requirements have more to do with personal bias and politics
than the real world, sad to say. Fighting this by proving that they're
wrong is not likely to get you anywhere, you'll just piss them off. Find
some other way to get in or go somewhere else.
Of course, if fighting *does*
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...how to respond to this...
How about this:
To Me My Perl Brothers!!! We must unite against this scourge and rid the
world of this army of ignorant Anti-Perl programmers!!! (who keep company
with the evil Orc cousins, the dreaded C
nt: Friday, August 17, 2001 3:11 PM
To: Dean Theophilou
Cc: Jon Acierto; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: PERL IS NOT A HIGH LEVEL LANGUAGE
> "Dean Theophilou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Technically, Perl is NOT an interpreted language. The Perl interpreter
> conve
...I want to not only disagree with the Reviewer's
>opinion, but I also want to call your attention to the injustice of
>denying a qualified individual an opportunity, on the basis of unjustified
>opinions of someone who evidently d
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Jon Acierto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 12:29 AM
Subject: Re: PERL IS NOT A HIGH LEVEL LANGUAGE
[...]
Instead of only tring to comfort one another among ourselves, with
your
reviewer that "PERL IS NOT A HIGH LEVEL LANGUAGE" is completely unfounded because of
the following:
...
> "Dean Theophilou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Technically, Perl is NOT an interpreted language. The Perl interpreter
> converts the program into byte code before executing, just like C. This is
> a paraphrase of p. 31 of Perl in a Nutshell, by O'Reilly. I suggest you get
> the book, si
pinions such as those you gave know about the
real world.
Steve
-Original Message-
From: Jon Acierto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 11:47 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: PERL IS NOT A HIGH LEVEL LANGUAGE
Hello Guys It's me again,
After getting all the fee
algorithms and data structures, still considering oneself to be a
productive Perl programmer. With C or Cobol this would be more unlikely
as these are actually lower level languages than Perl, and hence a
greater burden falls upon the programmer himself.
However, to state that Perl is not a high
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Cc: Jon Acierto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: PERL IS NOT A HIGH LEVEL LANGUAGE
>
> This thread is quite curious to m
>Subject: PERL IS NOT A HIGH LEVEL LANGUAGE
Just a note from a VERY NEWBIE;
On my new copy of O-Reilly's Programming the Perl DBI, page 3 under the
subheading of Perl, it states plainly that "Perl is a very high-level
language." I have a hard time convincing my professors
I thought a cobol was a short little monster in Dungeons & Dragons that is
distantly related to orcs.
Dean Theophilou
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Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 11:19 AM
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Subject: Re: PERL IS NOT A HIGH L
HAHAHAHAHA !!
-Original Message-
From: Humberto Varela [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 1:19 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: PERL IS NOT A HIGH LEVEL LANGUAGE
- the understanding of more advanced data structures...with 2
>years of serious cobol for exam
- the understanding of more advanced data structures...with 2
>years of serious cobol for example should bring familiarity with files,
>records, and other such data types."
Someone still programs in Cobol?
I thought all those Cobol programmers died on New Years Day 2000?
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This thread is quite curious to me. Perl in most respects is a *higher* level
language than C or C++. It is certainly higher level than Cobol. Perl has a
lot of built in operators and functions that make life extremely simple for
doing text manipulation. I have written code in both Perl an
posed to "teachers")
professional programmers.
Dean Theophilou
Genisar
-Original Message-
From: Jon Acierto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 9:47 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: PERL IS NOT A HIGH LEVEL LANGUAGE
Hello Guys It's me again,
A
y "High Level"
> > question AND going to an online dictionary and finding out that Perl Does
> > fit the definition of a high level language, I get this from the
> Admissions
> > Councellor at the U.W. ext.:
> >
> > Jon, thank you for your inquiry.
> >
ption of your programming background to the C++
> application reviewer and received this input:
> "i have to agree with will's assessment. perl is not a high level
> language. it amounts to a scripting language. simply having 2 years of
> working with perl says nothing about w
Jon,
I feel your pain. Personally, I have worked with many, many programmers both in the
USA and in
Europe and have discovered something very interesting: if someone is critical of
Perl, he or she
doesn't know the language well. It may be that people who get into Perl and don't
like it don'
On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 09:46:49AM -0700, Jon Acierto wrote:
> Can someone please help me explain to these people that writing Perl for 2
> years says about as much of my ability to program and understand "advanced
> data structures" and having worked on "more complex problems" as spending
> those
> "i have to agree with will's assessment. perl is not a high level
> language. it amounts to a scripting language.
the reviewer is making a distinction here, one that doesn't make sense.
he (i'm guessing it's a guy) probably has this equation unning in his
head:
, 2001 1:02 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: PERL IS NOT A HIGH LEVEL LANGUAGE
>
> I had to reply again,
> The bit about "...with 2 years of serious cobol..."
> RUN to the nearest exit!! NOW!!!
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: &qu
I had to reply again,
The bit about "...with 2 years of serious cobol..."
RUN to the nearest exit!! NOW!!!
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From: "Jon Acierto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 12:46 PM
Subject: PERL IS NOT
ew it as a
glorified DOS batch file language...
Maybe you should think about going somewhere else??
- Original Message -
From: "Jon Acierto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 12:46 PM
Subject: PERL IS NOT A HIGH LEVEL LANGU
, thank you for your inquiry.
I sent your description of your programming background to the C++
application reviewer and received this input:
"i have to agree with will's assessment. perl is not a high level
language. it amounts to a scripting language. simply having 2 years of
working wit
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