Re: [Ayatana] Unexpected close functionality

2010-04-27 Thread David Siegel
, then all the yelling in the world won't phase you! :) David On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Jonathan Matthew wrote: > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:17 PM, David Siegel > wrote: >> I witnessed this bug biting users many times over the 11 hours of user >> testing we conducted ove

Re: [Ayatana] Work by project

2010-04-30 Thread David Callé
ut an application indicator displaying the most used files/activities with the one you are currently doing (aka the last logged zeitgeist event) ? One click, and you are provided what you probably need, or at least what you used to need. David ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp

Re: [Ayatana] Two suggested designs for the Sound Indicator

2010-05-03 Thread David Hamm
I second everything said by Soto. Simplicity is a luxury that shouldn't be ignored. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchp

Re: [Ayatana] Windicators

2010-05-03 Thread David Hamm
Rather then adding complexity, windicators Indicators are icons, different applications have different icons. http://meson.us/x/gnome/Nautilus.jpg --assume distro polish of course All the app needs is an minimize icon/close icon. The rest of the design is up to the app designer, who could can

Re: [Ayatana] Windicators

2010-05-03 Thread David Hamm
"I disagree. I think it will only be good for the user if we have consistent rules in the windicator area." Okay, I think I see what your getting at. This is good, and consistent rules are good at a programing level, however what you see directly in-front of you is also art, and there are places w

Re: [Ayatana] Windicators

2010-05-03 Thread David Hamm
"To treat UI as art before usability is the worst idea ever" woh there cowboy I didn't mean to take it that far. I just meant to say usability and art go hand in hand. Take the ipod scroll wheel for example, you know, what made apple famous to begin with. _

Re: [Ayatana] "Unsaved state" and the Cloud

2010-05-03 Thread David Hamm
imagine being able to open your contact list from the top right hotcorner, choose a contact and drag the app to the message box. Check the box that says fuse. This sends an email/im to the user and Ubuntu's share service now kicks in and syncs the applications like gwave. This is your share icon co

Re: [Ayatana] Windicators

2010-05-03 Thread David Hamm
feel free to make up your mind. - my brain is in quantum flux. rules, like having icons for everything, ex. nautilus usability, like only having a home button on an iphone. Sorry for destroying the thread! :D I will try to proceed more quietly. btw. can't wait for ff4, it couldn't come soon enough

Re: [Ayatana] "Unsaved state" and the Cloud

2010-05-03 Thread David Hamm
ve been working on a few mockups of hotcorner > activated mini-apps that would work very well for simple tasks in place of > evolution or other similarly complex applications. > > On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 12:09 PM, David Hamm wrote: >> >> imagine being able to open your contac

Re: [Ayatana] Two suggested designs for the Sound Indicator

2010-05-04 Thread David Hamm
Was following you up till this "IMO, we should start by getting rid of the system-wide volume." read that line again, now consider that all popular os' have this function. Windows, osx, linux, android, iphone, etc. etc. Think of how you record volume in a record studio. Do you go around and adju

Re: [Ayatana] Two suggested designs for the Sound Indicator

2010-05-04 Thread David Hamm
I may have suggested getting rid of the system wide volume in the past, but only for the reason that most hardware already has a system wide volume- and for that reason alone. Linux however caters to such a broad environment it is a necessity to keep this function.

Re: [Ayatana] Two suggested designs for the Sound Indicator

2010-05-04 Thread David Hamm
add it http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/24627 :D lot of good ideas but hard to sort through them all. On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Diego Moya wrote: > I've created a mockup for a simple version of the panel with > per-application settings. > > Instead of volume sliders for each application,

Re: [Ayatana] Two suggested designs for the Sound Indicator

2010-05-04 Thread David Hamm
http://design.canonical.com/2010/04/notification-area/ :} I there isn't a Sound Menu UI blueprint yet afaik. "I almost never have to adjust application volumes" http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/24627 say yes to the Unicorn! ___ Mailing list: https://la

Re: [Ayatana] Windicators

2010-05-04 Thread David Hamm
"The Shut Down (etc.) menu is in the top-right. I understand it was put there by analogy with the windows' close buttons. Should it now be in the top-left?" lol, oh how right you are. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatan

Re: [Ayatana] Two suggested designs for the Sound Indicator

2010-05-04 Thread David Hamm
Problem: All your sound are belong to the sound icon. Redesign is inevitable, we are arguing for the best outcome to solve this (very general) problem. Vote: continue this in irc. probably won't happen tho :p Individual Problems Associated with Sound Menu Redesign: How will music applications dis

Re: [Ayatana] Two suggested designs for the Sound Indicator

2010-05-04 Thread David Hamm
http://design.canonical.com/2010/04/notification-area/ didn't say there was anything wrong with what we got, but it wouldn't hurt to read the above link I posted earlier explaining the whole problem with the system-icons. ___ Mailing list: https://launch

Re: [Ayatana] Use cases for volume control

2010-05-04 Thread David Hamm
oops, didn't mean to sent that just yet (alex), sry... but Basically: Voice chat, and notifications should just work! Incoming communication. For these instances background volume is automatically lowered. For other use cases and fine tuning a easy to get-to mixer solves the job. ___

Re: [Ayatana] Two suggested designs for the Sound Indicator

2010-05-06 Thread David Hamm
In try to get a more accurate look at what the sound menu could be. http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/24744 ps. I'm trying to bend brainstorm to my liking but i'm not sure if this will work :p ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to

Re: [Ayatana] Details on the netbook menu bar plan

2010-05-08 Thread David Hamm
Really neat stuff. Shame the nested pie menu's aren't being explored, would be really handy for touch based interfaces. Especially seeing as people aren't buying netbooks anymore, and rather ipads. Plus it forces the menu to be simplified. Just like a cd prevents ubuntu from bloat- to some extent.

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-13 Thread David Hamm
"Maybe a "pin" icon at the top of the handle, instead of a checkbox?" I like the checkbox better, it has more of a human feel. I also added the handle on the opposite side for more balance. <>___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to :

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-13 Thread David Hamm
Anyone else feel like seeing avatar again? In all honesty single clicking isn't something that should be brushed off. For the short term I would copy windows7 to the T. Hovering over and icon selects it. For the long run I would consider making it default; with touch in mind. Normally single cli

Re: [Ayatana] Is it time we killed "minimize to tray" ?

2010-05-14 Thread David Hamm
"Chat windows used to be one click away." This was one of the best arguments against it until they made the tray. http://blogs.gnome.org/mccann/2009/07/05/getting-the-message/ but you can still use the same argument, in that, gnome shell cannon't presume to know how all applications will work. Unf

Re: [Ayatana] Instant-messaging as an indicator menu

2010-05-14 Thread David Hamm
Thanks Tyler! "I like the idea of rapid access to contacts, but how would we handle an address-book with 2,000 entries?" the same way android does! not readily done in a menu tho :p a filter could be added as well cus we got a keyboard. ___ Mailing lis

Re: [Ayatana] Instant-messaging as an indicator menu

2010-05-14 Thread David Hamm
https://wave.google.com/wave/waveref/googlewave.com/w+FogEP8aTA :p I really gotta stop sending you personal messages Tyler. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ay

Re: [Ayatana] Instant-messaging as an indicator menu

2010-05-14 Thread David Hamm
https://docs.google.com/drawings/edit?id=1jC_EV0X2GuZh15xN9QvmUzquK7EjqVkCbqgXbgEsYOY&hl=en Maybe this would be better then wave, :p wave is still to young. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsub

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-15 Thread David Hamm
"The more options and questions and choices we present to the user, the less they will want to know about *any* of them." btw, you have seen the power menu right? .right, back to single click discussion. I'd say get everyone round the office to set single click and have a vote after a week. reaso

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-15 Thread David Hamm
ps. select on hover-over (for devices w/ keyboards) is kinda necessary if we switch to single click, which i'm all for btw. the only thing that can enslave a person, is another person. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayata

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-15 Thread David Hamm
As a matter of dignity and manly pride I challenge you, Alex Lourie, to open nautilus>edit>preferences>behavior>single click, for a week. And after that week, comeback and complain! btw. the whole freaking internet is single click. psh. On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Alex Lourie wrote: > > On

Re: [Ayatana] Export/Import idea for Windicators

2010-05-17 Thread David Siegel
ust part of the File >> menu. So leave it there. > > To be precise, Send-to, as David Siegel would probably say, please be > unforgiving if am i completely wrong David?! ;) > We mentioned open-with in connection with GNOME Do (ingenious) and FAYT > already... > > I'd l

Re: [Ayatana] Windicators

2010-05-17 Thread David Siegel
to just see the windicators.like > I have an Image in my mind with with Compiz Live Preview like popups with > Windicators instead of Window Previews. > > Interesting... yes, one could put a rendition of the Windicators on the > windows in the Alt-TAB preview. Cool idea. > >

Re: [Ayatana] Instant-messaging as an indicator menu

2010-05-17 Thread David Siegel
Nice mockup, Frederik -- keep playing with the idea, I think you could be on to something. David On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 4:02 AM, Frederik Nnaji wrote: > On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 23:43, Tyler Brainerd > wrote: >> >> I agree. Both gwibber and evolution suck hard, and the basic

Re: [Ayatana] "Intuitive"

2010-05-17 Thread David Siegel
that would help people understand how to structure productive conversations on this list? Just to throw in my $0.02, other words and phrases that should be discouraged are: * "subjective" (this is almost always used incorrectly) * "IMHO" (we need less humility, more bravado!

Re: [Ayatana] No "application bucket" needed

2010-05-17 Thread David Siegel
elf "what could I do differently so that I don't need a 'bucket'?" Challenge yourself to make a fundamental change to your design so the bucket isn't needed. As Mark pointed out, this additional entity is not needed, and the Launcher should not contain unnecessary pa

Re: [Ayatana] No "application bucket" needed

2010-05-17 Thread David Siegel
indows shouldn't appear when alt-tabbing. Do you use minimized windows? Why or why not? How do you use them? David On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Luke Benstead wrote: > On 17 May 2010 10:52, David Siegel wrote: >> >> >> If you are designing an interface, and sudde

Re: [Ayatana] No "application bucket" needed

2010-05-17 Thread David Siegel
the Close button is clicked, this just means that Close has become another Minimize button, and the tray has become another window list. Ugly! David On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 11:34 AM, David Siegel wrote: > We have a great metaphor that's familiar to users and already > implemented: min

Re: [Ayatana] No "application bucket" needed

2010-05-17 Thread David Siegel
Also, window positions in the window list are apparently arbitrary and therefore undependable. Luke, thank you for the excellent description of your use case. David On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Luke Benstead wrote: > On 17 May 2010 11:40, David Siegel wrote: >> More specific

Re: [Ayatana] No "application bucket" needed

2010-05-17 Thread David Siegel
and indicators, and unify window minimization as exactly the thing that happens when you click the minimize button on a window. David On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Luke Benstead wrote: > On 17 May 2010 11:58, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: >> On 17/05/10 11:40, David Siegel wrote: >>

Re: [Ayatana] No "application bucket" needed

2010-05-17 Thread David Siegel
Fair enough. Alt-tab could still show minimized windows and preserve MRU ordering, but maybe do so in a way that naturally de-emphasizes minimized windows so they're easier to ignore? David On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > On 17/05/10 12:16, David Sieg

Re: [Ayatana] Menu complication

2010-05-17 Thread David Siegel
GNOME is currently putting new effort into getting Control Center into shape, as the Preferences and Administration menus will be deprecated in GNOME 3. UNE 10.10 will promote Control Center by placing it in the Launcher. David On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Shane Fagan wrote: > Hey

Re: [Ayatana] Menu complication

2010-05-17 Thread David Siegel
think it's unlikely that we will prematurely jettison the Preferences and Application menus and introduce Ubuntu users to the soon-to-be-replaced Control Center. Maybe Matthew Paul Thomas can say more about the new Control Center and when we can expect it in Ubuntu. David On Mon, May 17, 2010

Re: [Ayatana] Thoughts on quitting and window controls

2010-05-17 Thread David Hamm
Wouldn't it be easier to just remove the close button? ex. file transfer, click the cancel button to close. imo, the reason to minimize to tray is to free tray space. If the tray was only icons there would be more room, rendering this feature pointless. Thus returning the close icon to its previou

Re: [Ayatana] Thoughts on quitting and window controls

2010-05-17 Thread David Hamm
eck redundant wording, let me rephrase. Wouldn't it be easier to just remove the close button? ex. file transfer, click the cancel button to close. imo, minimize to system-tray wouldn't be necessary with an icon dockbar. Thus returning the close icon to its previous state of actually quiting the

Re: [Ayatana] Tabs

2010-05-17 Thread David Hamm
Nice mockup Joern! might I say it would be a shame to put it in alt-tab only. A similar design could be applied to expose`, which would be much easier accessed by most people, ex. hot-corner or a single key. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayata

Re: [Ayatana] Evolution

2010-05-18 Thread David Hamm
"One big thing Evolution has over Thunderbird" https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/9656/ Guess there's no big reason to keep evolution anymore :p "and it seems like a great opportunity to rebuild that component in a more extensible" -this is still needed.

Re: [Ayatana] Hovering to open items on the top panel

2010-05-18 Thread David Hamm
the mouse disappears after timeout. no need to move it. Is the video full screen?-nothing should happen anyway. If hover is too slow (1 sec delay), you could always click as well. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@li

Re: [Ayatana] No "application bucket" needed

2010-05-18 Thread David Hamm
Close=quit, some apps could just minimize to tray by default (music player). The music tray would already provide more function then the taskbar, no reason to minimize it there. Rather then making rules, let function define the result. "I'm more interested in how Ubuntu could merge some of those

Re: [Ayatana] No "application bucket" needed

2010-05-18 Thread David Hamm
I simply meant that there shouldn't be a quit and a close option, there should only be one. Applications should quit themselves - good stuff - long way to go... -With Rhythmbox as the example, remove the minimize button, and only have X. close sends to tray, pause music>timeout>app saves and close

Re: [Ayatana] Killing Menu Bars

2010-05-18 Thread David Hamm
"cluttered to put every single thing in one title bar drop down" Very much so!!! Stuffing huge menu's into a drop down list is about as annoying as having to use menu's in the first place. Doing so forces the applications to clean them selves up, in a matter of speaking. _

Re: [Ayatana] Killing Menu Bars

2010-05-18 Thread David Hamm
Of course this couldn't be applied to something like gimp, but for most applications, it would be a good thing. But then again gimp isn't included by default in Ubuntu anymore... ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@list

Re: [Ayatana] No "application bucket" needed

2010-05-18 Thread David Hamm
to keep on topic, dip the bucket in gravy, put it in mash-potatoes, and eat it. Need there be another icon in the tray let it earn its keep. Dis be a klean an tight ship. wwld *what would linus do btw. Automatic Toll Ticketing sucks. yah, pretty lame acronym __

Re: [Ayatana] No "application bucket" needed

2010-05-19 Thread David Hamm
I think this handles the issues very cleanly and elegantly. -without a doubt Rhythmbox able to restore its previous state upon launch and all the other nuances would truly make it organic, to complete that piece though, either remove the minimize or close button. The later, keep in mind, would ass

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-19 Thread David Hamm
seeing as single click is grasping hold, check-box's aren't far off. Kde's way of having the plus icon would seem to be a good way to do this, either plus or a checkbox. This is probably the best way to do it, however I must ask if maybe a menu option (select files) or a bottom popup of some sort

Re: [Ayatana] No "application bucket" needed

2010-05-19 Thread David Hamm
"If someone wants to keep the icon in the launcher, for things like drag-to, they should be able to minimise it that way. So no, I think both buttons should stay." Think of music in the system tray as a fall back. If there's a dedicated tray icon the controls and such appear there, and not in the

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-20 Thread David Hamm
Mouse modes sounds bad already :p On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Frederik Nnaji wrote: > On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 01:38, Joern Konopka wrote: >> a) Just wanted to know if i got this right, by Menu Option you mean >> something like Edit->Select Files in the Nautilus Menu that acts like: >> -Dis

Re: [Ayatana] Is it time we killed "minimize to tray" ?

2010-05-20 Thread David Hamm
Android=Google instantly forget...impossible... And android is much better...or maybe you just wanted me to say that... ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayata

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-20 Thread David Hamm
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1890515/FileSelectionMockup1.png surprisingly sexy. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/L

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-20 Thread David Hamm
Personally I would prefer the status bar to be similar to chrome, appear on select. Note:http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1890515/FileSelectionMockup1.png the highlighting of the box instead of icon/text is similar to windows (this is a good thing) I say change nothing, be dam awesome to see something lik

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-21 Thread David Hamm
long press should be reserved for menu's ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp

Re: [Ayatana] Me Menu - Review

2010-05-22 Thread David Hamm
+love ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp

Re: [Ayatana] A task panel

2010-05-22 Thread David Hamm
+1, unity. On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Frederik Nnaji wrote: > here the last message on this, the conversation had continued on the > GNOME Shell list: > > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Kao Chen > Date: Sat, May 22, 2010 at 14:20 > Subject: Re: Re: A task panel > To: Sri

Re: [Ayatana] A task panel

2010-05-22 Thread David Hamm
I think it would break alot of geek's expectations. For basic users however, its already an improvement. But then again... I would also vote to make btrfs default for maverick. I'm reay hoping btrfs can get out on the big stage before exfat starts becoming default on flash drives. ___

Re: [Ayatana] progress dialog mockups

2010-05-28 Thread David Hamm
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ayatana/ProgressIndication May i suggest uploading ideas/sketches/pictures/drawings? Even if the pictures are one handed, they can explain alot more then words sometimes. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to

Re: [Ayatana] Is it time we killed "minimize to tray" ?

2010-05-28 Thread David Hamm
I've been looking through some of the maemo stuff and it actually looks pretty sexy. I've never used it in person so I apologize for my arrogance :p I'd just prefer android cus its more small screen friendly, although as cellphones get larger oled screens ( :D )... anyway whatever :p had to say th

Re: [Ayatana] The problem of letting Rhythmbox(and Banshee) persist state for the Sound Menu

2010-05-30 Thread David Hamm
don't forget websites. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp

Re: [Ayatana] Consistent Issues: Smart Search

2010-06-01 Thread David Siegel
Paper cut! I'm pretty sure this is already reported. Also, this is not a \focus-stealing issue per se, in that it involves input focus within a single window and not multiple windows contending for focus. David On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 8:11 PM, Tyler Brainerd wrote: > I often do the sa

Re: [Ayatana] "Move to", "Copy to", "Send To.."

2010-06-07 Thread David Hamm
"Why do you recommend moving it to "Move" ? " Throwing something away (aka deleting) should be more of a physical action. Right clicking and deleting just doesn't have the same weight. I've also seen basic users have trouble navigating the context menu because of its breadth and navigate to the de

Re: [Ayatana] Fwd: Open Letter: The issues with client-side-window-decorations

2010-06-07 Thread David Hamm
application css overide. felt kinda fun saying that. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp

Re: [Ayatana] Putting some brakes on the enthusiasm

2010-06-07 Thread David Hamm
the Unity dock bar is kick-ass. desktop-must. 1 panel = win ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp

Re: [Ayatana] Putting some brakes on the enthusiasm

2010-06-08 Thread David Hamm
Nothing wrong with having a little cookie dough before the cookies are done. "combines some wiki and tracker features could replace pain with joy." ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe :

Re: [Ayatana] Putting some brakes on the enthusiasm

2010-06-08 Thread David Hamm
es ever again.. > > On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 3:37 PM, David Hamm wrote: >> >> Nothing wrong with having a little cookie dough before the cookies are >> done. >> >> "combines some wiki and tracker features could replace pain with joy." >> >>

Re: [Ayatana] Fwd: Open Letter: The issues with client-side-window-decorations

2010-06-09 Thread David Hamm
...Pardon my intrusion. This seems similar to android and linux, they may both want different things, but they're gonna have to come back together eventually. Would seem easier to shift the river then build a new one. Gnome imo is doing more right then wrong. Please continue... _

Re: [Ayatana] Ubuntu themes(future)

2010-06-09 Thread David Hamm
sigh, if only the world could hear your wisdom. "think, then do." ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp

Re: [Ayatana] Putting some brakes on the enthusiasm

2010-06-09 Thread David Hamm
logo for Ayatana? any thoughts on what kinda logo you had in mind? ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp

Re: [Ayatana] Ubuntu themes(future)

2010-06-10 Thread David Hamm
http://design.canonical.com/ ? ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp

Re: [Ayatana] Fwd: Open Letter: The issues with client-side-window-decorations

2010-06-11 Thread David Hamm
"I just don't understand why having two theme engines is better than one." "A hung window can still be easily closed when using CSD because the position of the close button will be known to the window manager and clicks there handled appropriately even if the client fails to process them." "What

Re: [Ayatana] Putting some brakes on the enthusiasm

2010-06-11 Thread David Hamm
and that, ladies and gentlemen is why Mark is Awesome. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp

Re: [Ayatana] Putting some brakes on the enthusiasm

2010-06-14 Thread David Barth
enode." That is the most important missing piece. >> > That's because there are perfectly good ways to discuss changes in any > given project - in its bugs and branches and specs. > > I think an ayatana-dev list would be useful, though, for the overall > pictur

[Ayatana] New list: ayatana-dev

2010-06-14 Thread David Barth
both groups of contributors. Welcome to the new ayatana-dev mailing list! David ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpa

[Ayatana] ayatana-dev and recommendations for posting

2010-06-14 Thread David Barth
ut important new features and their implementation can happen. * Ubuntu milestones , like alpha-2, alpha-3 or beta-1, are more the time for design and implementation adjustments; less time can be allocated to exploring the technical details of a gr

Re: [Ayatana] Applications, a navigable folder

2010-06-16 Thread David Hamm
That picture makes me think of osx. I like what your sayiin tho. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp

Re: [Ayatana] What do to about right-clicking on the indicator-applet?

2010-06-17 Thread David Hamm
click/hover (touch have pressure sometimes), long press. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp

Re: [Ayatana] What do to about right-clicking on the indicator-applet?

2010-06-17 Thread David Hamm
there's also swipe (down), shake, multi-finger, and eye tracking. 0_0 but these require fine tuning. (insert (mighty) mouse) ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~a

Re: [Ayatana] Applications, a navigable folder

2010-06-17 Thread David Hamm
:D insert happiness -(image) stolen from google <>___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp

Re: [Ayatana] What do to about right-clicking on the indicator-applet?

2010-06-17 Thread David Hamm
lol, exactly! ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp

Re: [Ayatana] Applications, a navigable folder

2010-06-17 Thread David Hamm
just messing around, this looks really neat, and with with all the apt: stuff installing running and removing applications will not only be fast and clean but will also make windows look very sloppy. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post t

Re: [Ayatana] Lock Screen / Guest Session / Switch From / Log Out / Suspend / Hibernate / Shut Down

2010-06-18 Thread David Hamm
imo this is a very tricky problem. Assumptions: regular users either: don't turn of their computers and (would prefer) them to be instantly ready. or b, they want to save power/"turn off the glowing box" and attempt to "power down" the computer First part is easy (to say), system should auto susp

Re: [Ayatana] Lock Screen / Guest Session / Switch From / Log Out / Suspend / Hibernate / Shut Down

2010-06-18 Thread David Hamm
That being said, I like whatcha got on the website already :p ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp

Re: [Ayatana] Lock Screen / Guest Session / Switch From / Log Out / Suspend / Hibernate / Shut Down

2010-06-18 Thread David Hamm
sorry for spam, forgot the lock icon above. (lock) (sus) (res) (shut) Arno Gourdol, Mac OS X developer: “I actually think that the result could have been even better than what we ended up with. I argued against including Resta

Re: [Ayatana] Lock Screen / Guest Session / Switch From / Log Out / Suspend / Hibernate / Shut Down

2010-06-19 Thread David Hamm
is it possible to wake from sleep and hibernate after a set time? or would it be easier to just wake/get all applications to save their state and then shut down after set time? ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.l

Re: [Ayatana] GNOME Main Menu and the Distribution Logo

2010-06-20 Thread David Hamm
"I don't think it can be stitched to the "Activities" button." Blow torch? Weld it there. Either that or remove it and just have it on the user switcher/boot Could maybe be a light background pattern in the bottom left corner of the shell overlay? _

[Ayatana] Start Menu Concept

2010-06-20 Thread David Hamm
http://i.imgur.com/0bC6I.jpg Idea's taken from: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1476241 imo, id have just applications and recent with a side arrow to expand either, knocking out the places when expanded. Applications (popular)>Full list Recent Items> Zeitgeist The above picture is to kin

Re: [Ayatana] GNOME Main Menu and the Distribution Logo

2010-06-21 Thread David Siegel
In Unity, the Ubuntu button toggles the Dash. In GNOME Shell, we could do as David Hamm suggests and "weld" an Ubuntu logo there for consistency with UNE. We could even replace the word "Activities" with the Ubuntu button. David On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 5:35 PM, David Hamm

Re: [Ayatana] Updating UI issues

2010-06-21 Thread David Hamm
"https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareUpdateHandling#Installing"; did someone mentions Transformers? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akNJ6S2UqsE apologies ahead of time, transformers are awesome. On a more professional note. Android recently added a check box to all apps in their "software center" to

Re: [Ayatana] Updating UI issues

2010-06-21 Thread David Hamm
I'd say its simper then https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareUpdateHandling#Update settings and it collapses 2 tabs into one. Yes, Community/other could be merged into one, recommended/trusted as well, proposed/unsuported could be moved to the sources tab. However this keeps similar accessibility as t

Re: [Ayatana] Updating UI issues

2010-06-21 Thread David Hamm
http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/facepalm.jpg ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp

Re: [Ayatana] Secure Identity Design

2010-06-21 Thread David Hamm
"Making friends with others" This "Starfish" sounds like a much bigger and more important feature then at first thought. Is this going to be integrated into ubuntu one? One of the best things since buttered toast is being able to sync user information across platforms, and the ease of contacting/a

Re: [Ayatana] Updating UI issues

2010-06-22 Thread David Siegel
we do get to a point where we're automatically updating applications, it would be nice to still let users know that their applications have been updated and display changes. David On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash

Re: [Ayatana] [Usability] GNOME Main Menu and the Distribution Logo

2010-06-22 Thread David Hamm
I can see how the distro icon might not relate to the applications menu... so why not change the icon to the face of whoever has the most commits? Maybe update it monthly? They shall be the sun light of inspiration. I like to think of the left and right top corners as the sun and the moon. On the

Re: [Ayatana] Start Menu Concept

2010-06-22 Thread David Hamm
I'll match your quote, "This is what I imagine purgatory to be. A vortex of eternal clicking." with a quote, "imo, id have just applications and recent with a side arrow to expand either, knocking out the places when expanded." so in essence it would by default look like the windows start menu, w

Re: [Ayatana] Start Menu Concept

2010-06-22 Thread David Hamm
if you wanted to save the extra click, just like how the current ubuntu menu opens up a sub menu when you hover over a selection (accessories), you could have the box scroll to follow the mouse. Or just make it expand out larger to accommodate the larger selection. I could probably argue the desig

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