the DPL being prepared to do
more than just mediate.
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t it seemed (and still seems)
quite clear that the DPL was choosing not to intervene, rather than
that they believed their help wasn't required.
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[1] I think quoting from that mail would be quite unhelpful at this
stage. We seem like we may be making progress and I don't want to
unnece
Gerardo Ballabio writes ("Re: a Constitutional interpretation question"):
> Ian Jackson wrote:
> > I'm not sure this cleanup is a useful use of our time.
> > There are more fundamental problems.
>
> We've just been having a several-dozen-messages-long threa
G. Branden Robinson writes ("Re: a Constitutional interpretation question (was:
Why Debian is dying)"):
> At 2025-04-09T14:21:56+0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > In practice, I radically underestimated the willingness of more
> > neurotypical people to perform the
at some point as a way to add
non-normative explanatory text. See Appendix B.
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cts.
That these kind of things are being said by multiple people is no
excuse. Indeed, it makes the situation worse.
People are entitled to disagree with us about timescales,
but hyperbolic accusations like "immediately" are unacceptable.
Please help.
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nk we'll do better in practice because this key changes
less.)
Perhaps we should consider if we want to extend the validity period on
the key, as published in this new .deb, before the trixie release.
But ISTM that key lifetime extension could be done via stable updates
(and even via LTS) but w
for example, there is no reason
for dak to accept binaries signed by tag2upload, so in a perfect
world, it wouldl not.
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| 71 +-
tools/logs.py| 73 +-
tools/queue_rss.py | 132 +-
tools/rm822.py | 52 +-
211 files changed, 13672 insertions(+), 7575 deletions(-)
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Micha Lenk writes ("Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key
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> Am 7. April 2025 16:17:27 GMT+05:30 schrieb Ian Jackson
> :
> >But I have my doubts that Debian Developers will find the technical
> >wording of the draft GR digestible
Jonathan McDowell writes ("Re: Bug#1102125: debian-keyring: Please add
tag2upload oracle service key"):
> I think you want your own keyring package then, much like the archive
> keyring (debian-archive-keyring).
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Ian Jackson writes ("Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key
installation"):
> We need to make an exceptional, short term delegation authorising
> the installation of tag2upload's signing key on ftp-master.
I have been thinking about this. I still think th
lishing
the fingerprint of the tag2upload key (presumably also in
debian-keyring.deb) and teaching all the software to check it.
Those options seem considerably worse than a keyring specifically for
this key.
Ian.
[1] Ultimately, modulo some wrinkles, everything that verifies
signatures on source
you need. Especially, they radically reduce
the amount you need to learn before you can even get started.
I blogged about this here, addressing downstream users:
https://diziet.dreamwidth.org/17579.html
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hat Sean and I designed, not some
in our view far inferior counterproposal from ftpmaster; see [5])
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[0] https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2019/08/msg00521.html
[1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2024/06/msg8.html
[2] https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2024/07/msg00024.html
Package: dgit
Sean informs me that non-uploading DDs can be Debian Maintainers, with
authority to upload specific packages, listed in dm.txt.
So gideon should look at that keyring too.
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tion being that they don't want tag2upload
- the team having failed to deliver on its promises
- a complete lack of communication from that team
If that's not sufficient justification for DPL action then there can
surely be *no* circumstance in which a DPL will ever act.
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ke this:
I want to give a talk at Debconf in Brest about tag2upload.
I don't want to have to spend any of that talk explaining why it still
isn't deployed yet.
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th
nt situation to persist, as you have allowed it to persist.
We see this same fear play out in other areas. We have important
packages maintained by toxic people, whom no-one will get rid of for
fear of leaving an unfillable gap. This attitude is a trap.
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question...)
I hope this helps explain things.
Thanks,
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[1] Perhaps .changes files are published somewhere but if so I don't
know where. They don't seem to be on archive mirrors.
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y here, but even so we
could and should do a lot better.
(I obviously approve of an upstream-first mindset, but it falls down
when upstream isn't working well.)
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e NEW
> queue has gotten shorter (which is great), imho that should really get
> priority over new implementations so that DDs and other contributors can
> get a chance to finish their goals for the Trixie release.
This shouldn't affect NEW processing, because: only one ftpmaste
I checked on browse.dgit.d.o and the tags *had* been pushed and the
main branch looked up to date. I found that there was a
../bpd/dgit_12.10_source.changes so I dput it.
I also did a dgit-test-dummy upload which worked.
I think maybe there is a server-side race :-/.
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Ian Jackson writes ("Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key
installation [and 1 more messages]"):
> We will prepare an MR
AFAICT MRs are not enabled for the keyring repo (which is fine)
so I used the BTS:
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1102125
I
course that is up to the ftpmasters.
We will prepare an MR, with more details about the key's provenance
etc. in the MR discussion comment. If ftpmaster have an opinion about
this aspect, I think it would be OK to ask them to make it known
there.
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be done is as described in the proposal
at the head of this thread. If we're to be asked to do it, we should
be entitled to do it our way.
Anyway, for obvious sociopolitical reasons our agreement last year
wasn't predicated on us submitting MRs to dak.
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ding it in the official debian keyring package, we get some
> historic accountability of which keys were used. You also get a way
> to phase in new keys and phase out old keys.
keyring-maint, would you welcome an MR for this?
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Jonathan Carter writes ("Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload key
installation"):
> On 2025/04/04 11:08, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > ftpmaster don't want to see tag2upload in use, and so they are
> > choosing not to respond to our requests to install the
G. Branden Robinson writes ("Re: Call for volunteers and GR draft: tag2upload
key installation"):
> Just to clarify, I do believe the Gregorian year is now 2025.
lol. Yes. All dates there were supposed to be 2025. I copied them
by eye, so that introduced the error.
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started. More generally, it is not the tag2upload developers' job to
project-manage ftpmaster's implementation work.
Ian
for the tag2upload Delegates
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Ian Jackson writes ("dgit: tests: tag2upload-oracled process leak, external
lossage"):
...
> I ran ps -Hfuian | grep tag2 and found only this and my emacs:
>
> ian 25301 1 0 Mar22 pts/198 00:03:49 /usr/bin/perl
> /home/ian/things/Dgit/dgit/infra/tag2upload-or
e.
I think this filename is wrong, and should read `po4a/dgit-user_7.nl.po`,
since that file exists, and the file you have provided does seem like
an update to it.
Please let me know if that's not right.
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archive has
crlf line endings.
I conjecture that this tune
> gbp import-orig --uscan
failed to defuse the gitattributes before doing the tarball import.
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Control: retitle -1 gitlab CI pipeline isn't ideal
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BTW more background to this design decision in the context of dgit
can be found in this bug against src:dgit
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1079434
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r the technical discussion; probably a bug against
src:dgit, not against gbp. But in any case it should be conducteed in
a collaborative way.)
Now, I am going to try to focus on the technical aspects.
> On Tue, 25 Feb 2025 10:40:27 + Ian Jackson
> wrote:
..
> > This isn't
dd -u only if the dput command =~ m/dput/ (but we'd need the
user to be able to override it with --dput!:--unchecked
and that is goign to be fiddly).
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You can forget whatever upload runes you have in your shell history.
On this "plug" topic, just earlier today, a happy user wrote to us:
| Btw, I wish I had looked at dgit earlier,
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rebase-like dev
experience.)
When I and Joey Hess and others invented dgit in Vaumarcus in 2013 we
assumed it would be impossible to persuade everyone to adopt a uniform
git tree/branch format, and we thought that central services would be
very difficult, especially if they needed to interact with f
*just the default* would suffice.
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*just the default* would suffice.
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Package: rust-derive-deftly-macros
Severity: serious
Version: 1.0.0-1
rust-derive-deftly didn't make it through NEW.
I will be replacing this package one way or another.
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Package: rust-derive-deftly-macros
Severity: serious
Version: 1.0.0-1
rust-derive-deftly didn't make it through NEW.
I will be replacing this package one way or another.
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Specifically, in the usual case,
git-rebase -i dgit/dgit/sid
is a good choice.
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usm...
Waiting for notifications... (timeout 5sec 0nsec)
Detaching complete...
Child sent some notification...
-> Notification => ready for service.
tag2upload-manager@tag2upload-manager-01:/srv/manager.tag2upload.debian.org$
Thanks,
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Pron
usm...
Waiting for notifications... (timeout 5sec 0nsec)
Detaching complete...
Child sent some notification...
-> Notification => ready for service.
tag2upload-manager@tag2upload-manager-01:/srv/manager.tag2upload.debian.org$
Thanks,
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easons as dgit does:
https://manpages.debian.org/bookworm/dgit/dgit.7.en.html#GITATTRIBUTES
When gitattributes are active, the git view will not be compatible
with tag2upload.
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ay
from gnupg, but I don't want to get hung up on this, here.)
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nformation in the header?
I think that depends on the use case. Eg, you might carry on without
the relevant information. Whether that's acceptable depends on the
semantic needs of the consumer.
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I think that depends on the use case. Eg, you might carry on without
the relevant information. Whether that's acceptable depends on the
semantic needs of the consumer.
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pace-separate keyword=value items may be introduced in the
future. Users of this field must ignore unknown keywords.
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hers.
If you think that's a good idea, then we should reassign this bug to
src:podman, to represent the desire to make that change there.
Thanks,
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image. Those
concurrent uses should not be disturbed.
Likewise, the cleanup operation ought not to disturb in-progress uses,
but that'll be easier since hopefully there's an operation that will
only want to delete "old and unused" things.
Thanks,
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essful command is being run in a different
directory.
dgit will show its chdirs if you say -D, but I believe that it runs
the dput from the package working tree.
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)
Would you like to take over the package? If so, please go ahead.
I feel you have more understanding of it now.
Regards,
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ven find my own previous report the 2nd time round...
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Ian Jackson writes ("Re: Bug#986665: $HOME not writable when using schroot"):
...
> * Decide that virt servers are allowed to not provide $HOME.
>Have the autopkgtest virt core check to see if some home directory
>exists, and "polyfill" it by using so
Simon McVittie writes ("Re: Bug#986665: $HOME not writable when using schroot"):
> It turns out that Ian Jackson is an example of someone who specifically
> *does* want their real $HOME to be mounted in the chroot, and rejects
> the non-schroot backends for exactly this reason.
Package: dgit-infrastructure
Version: 10.3
Recently I have seen dgit push being slow on a number of occasions.
Output included things like this:
remote: gpgv: Good signature from "Ian Jackson (new general purpose key)
"
remote: gpgv: aka "Ian Jackson "
remo
de in the testbed that I
trust, precisely because often I find the imperfect security isolation
convenient. I think this is a common use case for Debian maintainers.
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fusing and a bit
unprincipled. I attach a patch to rationalise it. It may print more
warnings now, but it will not crash unless it actually needs to, and
the logic is now the same (and, I hope, reasonable) in all cases.
Ian.
>From 95e85dfbe10deb90dde98101566886ebd50cc410 Mon Sep 17 00
. The CHANGELOG.md
entry for 2.3 says
* Replace AppIndicator with DBus StatusNotifierItem
I think this bug may have been fixed as a side effect of that change.
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to.
(FTR I consider describing someone else's software as deprecated,
without consulting them, as intolerably rude and hostile.)
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d is using it too. I have used it in other more ad-hoc
situations. By its nature, there may be out-of-Debian users.
I do agree that the code in the autopkgtest test runner is tangled.
It was tangled when I wrote it and I think it has become worse since
then. I think this is orthogonal to
ound.
FTR, I do not consider this compromise "good".
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(at least IMO) we don't
want the new autopkgtest to migrate to testing until the removed parts
are available in the new package.
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or schroot.
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ing it any time soon. If there were suggestions that
it might be removed, I would probably adopt it.
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Ian Jackson writes ("Re: Bug#1094634: Info received (autopkgtest-virt-*:
doesn't shutdown on EOF [and 1 more messages])"):
> If this is in fact getting EAGAIN it probably indicates that something
> was setting stdin to nonblocking mode? The workaround is quite wrong.
I conj
kgtest-virt-unshare.
I think there is something to be said for this point of view. For
now, I'll downgrade this bug report.
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hink that behaviour would makes sense, perhaps even as a default.
After all, the actual chroot is deleted, so any processes which remain
have an empty root fs. Leftover processes are possibly broken in
other ways too.
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upposed to
+# block for new input.
+if ce == '':
+continue
since then a delay was added too, and a check for EAGAIN.
If this is in fact getting EAGAIN it probably indicates that something
was setting stdin to nonblocking mode? The workaround is quite w
Control: retitle -1 autopkgtest-virt-*: doesn't shutdown on EOF [and 1 more
messages]
This doesn't seem to be specific to autopkgtest-virt-unshare.
Here's another case:
Steps
autopkgtest-virt-null
rt-to-gbp" on
archive/debian/0.9.10+2024-06-05+gba9ed5b2-0.6 may be helpful.
I have not updated any branch on salsa.
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Control: reassign -1 libfaketime
Control: found -1 0.9.10+2024-06-05+gba9ed5b2-0.1
Control: fixed -1 0.9.10+2024-06-05+gba9ed5b2-0.2
This time, for sure.
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Control: reassign -1 faketime
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Ian Jackson writes ("Re: Bug#1093412: Regression in tests with new faketime"):
> Control: reassign -1 fakeroot
> Control: found -1 debia
me.
I see that the reprotest autopkgtest is now fixed, after I restored
the default to not fake utime.
There is still a problem with the gem2deb autopkgtests which looks
like UB. I found some UB (#1093599) and am intending to fix it.
Thanks for your input!
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me.
I see that the reprotest autopkgtest is now fixed, after I restored
the default to not fake utime.
There is still a problem with the gem2deb autopkgtests which looks
like UB. I found some UB (#1093599) and am intending to fix it.
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t that.
I intend to develop a patch to change this to use sound locking
techniques and/or atomics. But that will probably not happen right
away.
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I intend to develop a patch to change this to use sound locking
techniques and/or atomics. But that will probably not happen right
away.
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Ian Jackson writes ("Re: Bug#1093412: Regression in tests with new faketime"):
> Why are we passing NO_FAKE_STAT here?
I UTSL and in reprotest/build.py I see:
# faketime's manpages are stupidly misleading; it also modifies file
timestamps.
# this is only mentioned in
Ian Jackson writes ("Re: Bug#1093412: Regression in tests with new faketime"):
> Why are we passing NO_FAKE_STAT here?
I UTSL and in reprotest/build.py I see:
# faketime's manpages are stupidly misleading; it also modifies file
timestamps.
# this is only mentioned in
Ian Jackson writes ("Re: Bug#1093412: Regression in tests with new faketime"):
> Why are we passing NO_FAKE_STAT here?
>
> Maybe the problem is that faketime isn't honouring NO_FAKE_STAT.
> I will see if I can confirm...
(I should say, thanks for the lead!)
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Ian Jackson writes ("Re: Bug#1093412: Regression in tests with new faketime"):
> Why are we passing NO_FAKE_STAT here?
>
> Maybe the problem is that faketime isn't honouring NO_FAKE_STAT.
> I will see if I can confirm...
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000 +
> $ NO_FAKE_STAT=1 faketime '+331hours' cp -a utils.py utils2.py
> $ stat -c '%y' utils2.py
> 2023-01-30 08:10:37.0 +
Why are we passing NO_FAKE_STAT here?
Maybe the problem is that faketime isn't honouring NO_FAKE_STAT.
I will
000 +
> $ NO_FAKE_STAT=1 faketime '+331hours' cp -a utils.py utils2.py
> $ stat -c '%y' utils2.py
> 2023-01-30 08:10:37.0 +
Why are we passing NO_FAKE_STAT here?
Maybe the problem is that faketime isn't honouring NO_FAKE_STAT.
I will
lution? If not, would it be possible for
> `dgit` to enable an easier way to change the default upload host?
I think the (d)git config dgit-distro.distro.upload-host is indeed the
answer to this question.
Hope this helps.
Ian.
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protest's test suite.
Probably, some call is being handled differently by the new faketime.
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protest's test suite.
Probably, some call is being handled differently by the new faketime.
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Control: close -1 1.6.1-2
Uploaded, thanks. Sorry for the delay, our house is being chaos for a
few weeks - building works after a water leak.
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I think I have a fix. I'm preparing another NMU. It'll be based on
latest unreleased upstream git.
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I think I have a fix. I'm preparing another NMU. It'll be based on
latest unreleased upstream git.
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around,
`TZ=UTC date` may help (but may change the interpretation of your time
specification).
Thanks,
Ian.
(not the maintainer, just trying to fix faketime for the moment)
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that
the autopkgtest starts passing as
> a result. If this bug stays RC and against faketime until fixed that
> should prevent unwanted migration.
Noted. Thanks.
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the autopkgtest starts passing as
> a result. If this bug stays RC and against faketime until fixed that
> should prevent unwanted migration.
Noted. Thanks.
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Control: reassign -1 faketime
Hi. Thanks very much for your investigation.
Olly Betts writes ("Re: Bug#1093153: xapian-omega autopkgtests and faketime on
32-bit"):
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2025 at 07:29:54PM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > 40s expected: «Query((Y2000 .
Control: reassign -1 faketime
Hi. Thanks very much for your investigation.
Olly Betts writes ("Re: Bug#1093153: xapian-omega autopkgtests and faketime on
32-bit"):
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2025 at 07:29:54PM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > 40s expected: «Query((Y2000 .
en. Allowing the new faketime to
migrate, despite the missing interposition for stat, would be a
significant improvement. I'm hoping you'll agree.
FTR, IMO if this bug gets anywhere near triggering autoremoval of
xapian-omega, we should do something less drastic instead.
Thanks,
Ian
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