DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Notes on Proposals 7931-7947, 7954-7956

2017-11-06 Thread omd
On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 3:06 PM, Alexis Hunt wrote: > > 7941* Alexis 1.0 HTML Scrubbing Alexis 1 sh. > > This does not make any rule changes. I will, however, take it on myself as > Prime Minister to contact the Distributor to make the request. Having received such co

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Notes on Proposals 7931-7947, 7954-7956

2017-11-06 Thread omd
*test*

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Notes on Proposals 7931-7947, 7954-7956

2017-11-06 Thread omd
On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 10:42 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > Is it possible to configure Mailman to pass through messages with text/html > parts but to strip them, instead of rejecting them outright? Well, that's odd. According to the logs, you had two messages rejected with the message "The message

Re: DIS: Status of the rules

2018-04-08 Thread omd
On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 8:05 PM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > Not sure how it works on a-o but a-b has a 500K limit. > > I sent omd an email about the stuck email, just in case. Yeah, it was caught in the queue due to being over 500K. I approved it and changed the limit for all lists to 1500

Re: DIS: hmmm?

2018-06-24 Thread omd
> On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 11:50 PM comex wrote: …okay, last time I thought I just forgot to change my sender name to 'omd', but I definitely did so for this message; it seems Gmail is just bugged. Looks like it works after switching back to the old Gmail.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3642 judged FALSE

2018-06-26 Thread omd
On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 6:34 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > I don't know how mailing lists work. Is a "separate" message sent from > the list to each individual recipient? If so, is there any chance the > stamps on each individual copy of the same message would vary? > (obviously this might fall under

DIS: Re: OFF: agora-official should be working again (with subscriber list cloned from agora-business)

2018-06-27 Thread omd
(CCing a-d in case someone actually didn't get it.) On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 7:06 PM, omd wrote: > Hi, > > I've been a bit busy since my last message, but in lieu of objections, > I've gone ahead and replaced the lost config.pck file for > agora-official with one

Re: DIS: Non-email public fora

2019-05-24 Thread omd
I've been a regular user of a Discourse forum for a few years, since the Rust language community deprecated their mailing list in favor of a Discourse instance. Discourse has the interesting property that it actively seeks to allow users to use it *as* a mailing list: receiving one email per post,

Re: DIS: [Draft] Refactoring IRV

2019-05-24 Thread omd
A few issues with the wording: > > b. The option with the fewest valid ballots specifying it as the first > > entry on the list is identified, and the outcome is the outcome of an > > Instant Runoff decision as if that option had been removed from each valid > > ballot that contained it. It's

DIS: Ruleset history error

2019-05-25 Thread omd
Just a quick note - The FLR credits Proposal 7778 (in various places) as: Amended(21) by P7778 'Instant Runoff Improved' (Alexis), 14 Aug 2014 But in fact I submitted it: https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2015-July/033799.html And it was actually adopted on

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Referee] Recusal (attn H. Arbitor)

2019-05-26 Thread omd
On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 2:09 PM D. Margaux wrote: > It may be worthwhile to wait a couple days. If the reports self-ratify > without any claim of error, then the information therein will be > retroactively accurate... I think? Ratification changes the gamestate to what it would be if the report

Re: DIS: Score Voting

2019-05-26 Thread omd
On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 3:20 PM Bernie Brackett wrote: > it feels like there's a discussion going on involving what exactly single > transferable vote means, so I feel like I should bring up that Score Voting > has mathematically been proven to be better. Is there any reason not to > switch to it?

Re: DIS: Ruleset history error

2019-05-26 Thread omd
On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 3:19 PM Reuben Staley wrote: > Having looked into the matter further, I can safely say that mistakes > were indeed made. The following is my analysis. Thanks for looking into it :) I... never realized that Alexis (aka alercah) was the same person as scshunt, despite havin

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Referee] Recusal (attn H. Arbitor)

2019-05-26 Thread omd
On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 4:41 PM James Cook wrote: > For (a): I think it depends what "gamestate" means. It's never really > defined. But personally I was assuming the gamestate covers all the > facts invented by the rules, and not realities, e.g. what happened in > the past. But I'm not sure about

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Referee] Recusal (attn H. Arbitor)

2019-05-26 Thread omd
On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 5:49 PM D. Margaux wrote: > and, therefore, any attempt to impose a fine was retroactively INEFFECTIVE. ...wow, that's strange. Why the heck is rule 2531 designed to make the gamestate (whether fines are EFFECTIVE, and thus indirectly people's voting power) depend on so m

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Referee] Recusal (attn H. Arbitor)

2019-05-28 Thread omd
On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 10:56 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > On the subject of community size - welcome back, o and omd!!! Thanks :)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposal 8177

2019-05-28 Thread omd
On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 7:05 AM D Margaux wrote: > Additionally, I do not think the conditional vote “required the report > ratification to go through before the voting period ended”; did it? If the > empty reports self-ratify tomorrow, wouldn’t your vote still resolve to FOR? > That is becau

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8178-8179

2019-05-28 Thread omd
On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 7:12 AM David Seeber wrote: > I vote as follows: > > 8178 - FOR > 8179 - FOR > > I declare null and void any other votes cast on my behalf. I'm afraid you have to do this in the opposite order. The "null and void" bit presumably successfully retracted the ballots cast on

Re: DIS: Proto-judgements of CFJs 3726 and 3727

2019-06-03 Thread omd
On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 7:57 PM James Cook wrote: > > R1551 reads as if it is trying to avoid amending the past, by amending > > the present gamestate with reference to a hypothetical past. I have > > tried to think of a couple of reasons, but neither feels particularly > > compelling in the face o

Re: DIS: (Attn omd) mailman.agoranomic.org HTTPS certificate error

2019-06-03 Thread omd
On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:54 PM James Cook wrote: > When I try to load https://mailman.agoranomic.org/, I see a certificate error: Sorry about this! Despite the "Attn omd" in the subject, my eyes saw the "DIS:" and jumped over the rest; I was putting off reading Agora li

Re: DIS: [Referee] Ritual Finger Pointing Proto-Decision

2019-06-03 Thread omd
On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 8:21 PM Rebecca wrote: > > We do interestingly have a clause that says "The Rules SHALL NOT be > interpreted > so as to proscribe unregulated actions.". I suppose under my > interpretation, anyone who so interprets the rules in any circumstance will > be criminally liable,

Re: DIS: Fake Zombies

2019-06-03 Thread omd
On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 9:15 PM Jason Cobb wrote: > As a person, you possess one and exactly one Citizenship switch. Sending > messages from fake emails stating intent to register when you already > have registered would not change the value of your personal Citizenship > switch. For some fun prec

Re: DIS: On Cleanliness

2019-06-04 Thread omd
On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 7:36 AM Jason Cobb wrote: > Given that Rule 2221 ("Cleanliness") permits correcting the > capitalization of a rule, would that, for example, permit changing a > rule from saying "shall" to "SHALL" (or vice versa)? > > Note: I'm not planning anything, the question just crosse

Re: DIS: DMARC bounces (attn Murphy)

2019-06-05 Thread omd
On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 6:30 PM James Cook wrote: > (I'm not suggesting we use Discourse, just that maybe similar options are > available with the current software.) It seems Mailman does support something like that: https://wiki.list.org/DEV/DMARC https://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-adm

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: comptrollor nerf

2019-06-06 Thread omd
On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 10:28 AM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > Ah, here's the protection I was looking for: > > R2350 (power=3): > Once a proposal > is created, neither its text nor any of the aforementioned > attributes can be changed. Hmm... it may still be possible to destroy the proposal,

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Dollar Auction

2019-06-06 Thread omd
On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 2:24 PM Reuben Staley wrote: > I bid TWO UNITED STATES DOLLARS. (This fails because it does not "specify[] the amount of the Auction's currency to bid" [R2550], since the currency is coins.)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Income

2019-06-07 Thread omd
On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 12:59 AM Rebecca wrote: > > This exact thing was tried in about June of 2017 or 18, soon after the new > "boom and bust" money system came into effect (written by nichdel). I think > it was agreed by all that a duty was a duty imposed by the rules or > something of that natu

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ: Can The Ritual be banished?

2019-06-09 Thread omd
On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 4:50 PM Rance Bedwell wrote: > > I want to attempt to banish The Ritual, but I do not believe it is currently > possible to do so. For this reason I Call For Justice for this statement: > > "The value of N Agoran Consent currently required to banish The Ritual (Rule > 2596

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ on Blots

2019-06-11 Thread omd
On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 12:56 PM D. Margaux wrote: > It's really interesting to me, because within my discipline (law), those > sorts of hyperliteralist interpretations simply wouldn't work. Lawyers would > just intuitively know somehow that this kind of interpretive move would be > out of boun

DIS: Idea: Notice and comment

2019-06-13 Thread omd
Idea: Create a Rules-defined "notice and comment" process for judgements. Since I became active, there have been two judgements in CFJs about minor scams I attempted (3728 and 3833). The first one I had a minor quibble with, so I moved for reconsideration, but nobody bothered to support it. I th

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Oh, and [Attn. Arbitor]

2019-06-13 Thread omd
On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 2:30 PM Jason Cobb wrote: > I'm sorry, what does this mean? Obsolete terminology for saying that I'm interested in judging cases. I figured it was okay since G. would understand it, but maybe I should have been less cute.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Referee] Weekly Report

2019-06-13 Thread omd
On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 2:56 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > It won't self-ratify even then. The resolution of a CFJ doesn't > "cause it to cease to be a doubt" the way a denial of claim does. The > only way to make it undoubted post-CFJ is to either just publish a > "new" document, or re-CoE the old on

Re: DIS: report reward fixes

2019-06-14 Thread omd
On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 11:42 AM Kerim Aydin wrote: > Amend Rule 2496 (Rewards) by replacing: > Publishing a duty-fulfilling report: > with: > Publishing a duty-fulfilling official report: So this would now read * Publishing a duty-fulfilling official report: 5 coins. For

Re: DIS: Idea: Notice and comment

2019-06-14 Thread omd
On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 5:58 PM James Cook wrote: > Requiring notice and comment would make it a bit more complicated and > time-consuming to judge a CFJ, which might not make sense for simple > ones. Well, most simple cases shouldn't have any comments submitted, and in that case my design would

Re: DIS: Idea: Notice and comment

2019-06-14 Thread omd
On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 6:56 PM Jason Cobb wrote: > Would such a section become precedent just as the normal part of a > judgment would, or would it be purely informational? I'd say it shouldn't need to be a separate section at all. If the comment is unavailing, then sure, tack on an sentence at

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: End of June Zombie Auction

2019-06-14 Thread omd
On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 7:44 PM James Cook wrote: > Could you elabourate? Even if we should pretend zombies are assets, it's > not always true that an asset's owner CAN transfer it. E.g. if I had blots > and auctioned them off, I don't think anything would allow me to transfer > them to the winner

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: End of June Zombie Auction

2019-06-14 Thread omd
On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 10:40 PM James Cook wrote: > Ha, maybe. Here's another argument, though: Master is secured at a > power threshold of 2. Rule 2551 ("Auction End") only has power 1. I > doubt Rule 2551 can get around that by saying it's Agora doing it > rather than R2551, but if it can, I gu

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ on recordkeepors

2019-06-16 Thread omd
On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 1:06 AM Jason Cobb wrote: > I meant to ask about that. Is there a reason all of these terms use the > "-or" suffix even when normal English would use "-er"? Just a silly custom, though I don't know its origin.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3736 assigned to omd

2019-06-18 Thread omd
On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 6:11 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > Hi omd, > > When a Motion to Reconsider is filed, I drop the old arguments > entirely from the case log, so the old judgement isn't mistaken for > precedent (there's no objective way of knowing whether motion-filers

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3736 assigned to omd

2019-06-18 Thread omd
On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 2:23 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > Recent habits, especially for self-filed motions, are "I self-motion > to reconsider, and submit the entirely same judgement except for a > couple clarifying paragraphs" (like I did for 3733) or trivial > mistakes ("I wrote this long argument fo

Re: DIS: [proto] Regulated actions reform

2019-06-19 Thread omd
On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 6:08 PM Jason Cobb wrote: > An action that is regulated by a requirement-creating entity CAN > only be performed as described by the entity, and only using the > methods explicitly specified in the entity for performing the given > action. The entity SHALL N

DIS: Re: OFF: I'm broke!

2019-06-20 Thread omd
On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 11:40 PM David Seeber wrote: > I also cause myself to receive a Welcome pack since I have not received one > since I returned from being a zombie. Welcome back, by the way.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement of CFJ 3737

2019-06-20 Thread omd
On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 4:58 AM D. Margaux wrote: > In my opinion, this case is logically undecidable because the facts of the > case create a legal paradox: the contract states that breathing is > prohibited, but it's ILLEGAL to interpret it to say that it says what it > says. That is a parado

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3737: non-binding agoran decision

2019-06-20 Thread omd
On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 9:37 PM Rebecca wrote: > I would like us all to informally vote TRUE, FALSE, PARADOXICAL, DISMISS or > IRRELEVANT on CFJ 3737, the subject of so much discussion in the other > thread. This would help to determine which option Agora as a whole stands > behind, so we don;t ha

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3737: non-binding agoran decision

2019-06-20 Thread omd
On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 10:08 PM Reuben Staley wrote: > Recuse D. Margaux? What good would that do? Kick the can down the road until the rule can be fixed. > Also not really something we can force upon em... We can't force em to judge any particular way either.

Re: DIS: Proto: Timeline Control Ordnance

2019-06-21 Thread omd
On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 8:24 PM Aris Merchant wrote: > This proposal codifies a few common sense rules about timelines. For > instance, retroactive modifications are possible, but work by creating > a legal fiction, rather than by changing what actually happened. Overall: Seems quite well designe

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Regulated actions reform

2019-06-21 Thread omd
On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 9:03 PM Jason Cobb wrote: > Contracts CAN define new actions. These actions CAN only be > sequences of actions that are game-defined, but may include > conditionals, repetition, and other similar constructs. This seems like it could allow contracts

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Deregulation

2019-06-21 Thread omd
On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 9:33 PM Jason Cobb wrote: > > This leaves it undefined what a game-defined action is. > It was a term of art that my proposal would have created. Just > incorporating my definition here doesn't work as it was "An action is > game-defined if and only if it is a regulated act

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Deregulation

2019-06-21 Thread omd
n the circumstances under which it can be attempted or performed are not within the Rules' scope to define. If that something literally *consists of* changing the gamestate, like "making omd a player", then... well, I guess I *want* that to count as a game-defined action, since I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Deregulation

2019-06-21 Thread omd
On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 9:44 PM Jason Cobb wrote: > > > I wasn't intending to refer to that definition. By "game-defined > > action" I simply mean an action which is defined by the game, i.e. > > which exists as a platonic entity because of a definition found in the > > rules. I admit this could

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Regulated actions reform

2019-06-21 Thread omd
On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 9:55 PM Jason Cobb wrote: > > > >> Contracts CAN require or forbid actions that are defined in > >> other binding entities. To the extent specified by the Rules, > >> contracts CAN define or regulate other actions. Any actions that > >> m

DIS: Proto: Deregulation, but less so

2019-06-21 Thread omd
Proto: Deregulation, but less so Amend Rule 2125 ("Regulated Actions") to read: An action is regulated if it: (a) consists of altering Rules-defined state (e.g. the act of flipping a Citizenship switch), or (b) is a Rules-defined term of art with no inherent meaning

Re: DIS: Proto: Deregulation, but less so

2019-06-21 Thread omd
On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 10:53 PM Jason Cobb wrote: > In my view, "inherent meaning" is a bit vague. I certainly could write > up a document that suggests a change to the laws of my country, print a > bunch of copies, and then start handing them out to everyone I know. > That seems like it would fu

Re: DIS: Proto: Deregulation, but less so

2019-06-22 Thread omd
On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 11:12 PM Aris Merchant wrote: > I think you’re making it worse rather than better. I’d drop the “with no > inherent meaning” bit; a judge could easily interpret it to forbid > "distribute" being a term of art, since distributing something has meaning. The point of that phr

Re: DIS: Proto: Deregulation, but less so

2019-06-22 Thread omd
On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 11:12 PM Aris Merchant wrote: > Also, the bit in Mother May I should still go in the regulated actions > rule. Let's keep all the regulated action stuff in one place. I really like > the current phrasing; it's extremely elegant (honestly, more so than the > one here), and n

Re: DIS: Proto: Deregulation, but less so

2019-06-22 Thread omd
On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 9:58 AM Jason Cobb wrote: > Looking at this again, if the Rules state that doing something is a > crime (such as lying in a public message), then that arguably alters the > Rules-defined "state" of whether or not they are guilty of a crime. Is > this a valid reading, and is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Regulated actions reform

2019-06-24 Thread omd
On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 3:57 PM Jason Cobb wrote: > A contract CAN define and regulate the following actions, except > that the performance of them must include at least clearly and > unambiguously announcing the performance of the action: What does it mean to "define" an

DIS: Re: BUS: that pesky empty set again

2019-06-24 Thread omd
On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 3:40 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > CFJ: An Agoran decision to select the winner of the election has > a voting method of AI-Majority. > > Rule 1950 (Decisions with Adoption Indices, Power=3): > Adoption index is an untracked switch possessed by Agoran > decis

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3753 Assigned to omd

2019-07-03 Thread omd
On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 9:42 PM Jason Cobb wrote: > So would I face prejudice if I were to open the exact same CFJs again > later once we actually get CHoJ fixed? Fine by me.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3753 Assigned to omd

2019-07-06 Thread omd
On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 7:52 AM James Cook wrote: > Withdraw Rule 2597 (Line-item Veto). Why that rule? It's only a few months old; there are a lot of other rules that are much more stale.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] Court Gazette

2019-07-11 Thread omd
On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 5:27 PM Jason Cobb wrote: > I point my finger at omd for failure to assign a judgement to CFJ 3752 > in a timely fashion. Apologies; I forgot I was assigned to this one. I'll judge it tomorrow.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Apathy!

2019-07-17 Thread omd
On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 9:18 PM Jason Cobb wrote: > I'll leave the CFJ up in hopes that it gets judged in a way that avoids > this whole mess (although I'm not sure that there's enough space to > bring in Rule 217 factors and get "best interests of the game"). Gratuitous: I get from my apartment

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8188A-8192A, 8195A, 8202-8214

2019-07-17 Thread omd
On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 10:41 PM Rebecca wrote: > you absolutely can! we are not the typo police. Not that it matters, but it probably wasn't a typo. CFJ 1885 (called 26 Jan 2008): "AGAINT" is a variant spelling of "AGAINST", not a customary synonym for "FOR", despite its former private us

DIS: Re: BUS: Phantom Strike

2019-07-23 Thread omd
On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 3:43 PM Jason Cobb wrote: > > Actually, everyone should destroy their spaceship. Then clause 3 has > equal standing for both. > > I destroy the spaceship in my possession. Me too.

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3760 assigned to omd

2019-07-23 Thread omd
On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 9:48 AM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > The answer may depend on whether "response to a CoE" is an official duty > > (R2143): > >An official duty for an office is any duty that the Rules > >specifically assign to that office's holder in particular > >(regardl

Re: DIS: ATTN omd / Distributor (was Re: jobs)

2019-10-27 Thread omd
On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 5:48 PM James Cook wrote: > Our H. Distributor tried in June to enable from-address-rewriting for > messages with this problem, but I'm not sure it worked. See for > example my 2019-07-01 message to the discussion list [0]. > > omd, do you have any insi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8253-8264

2019-10-27 Thread omd
On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 9:46 PM Aris Merchant wrote: > Oh, also, well you’re at it, could you change “correctly identified” to > “correctly and publicly identified” so that no one, like, hides the fact > that they’ve identified it and then still claims they’ve invalidated the > decision? I just s

DIS: Re: BUS: (No Subject)

2019-10-30 Thread omd
(...did this create a proposal? It was sent to business but doesn't say "proposal".)

DIS: test

2019-12-22 Thread omd
Will Gmail deliver a list message if it's sent from a different IP?

Re: DIS: test

2019-12-22 Thread omd
Testing my new address filter. On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 3:25 PM omd wrote: > > Will Gmail deliver a list message if it's sent from a different IP?

Re: DIS: test should fail

2019-12-22 Thread omd
On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 7:37 PM James Cook wrote: > I got this one. Yeah... I was trying to send from an unsubscribed address, but I didn't realize that when sending from an alias, Gmail would keep my normal address in the envelope. Whoops.

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3783 Assigned to omd

2019-12-23 Thread omd
On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 11:56 AM Kerim Aydin wrote: > === CFJ 3783 === > >Jason Cobb has more than 2000 Coins. > > == Proto-judgement: Hmm. I'm torn. I agre

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: An economic/gameplay experiment

2015-07-15 Thread omd
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 11:01 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > If you care about how close someone else is, you can track it yourself > (all the necessary information's public). It wouldn't surprise me if > someone started publicly tracking it unofficially; the difference is > that gameplay doesn't have to

DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Corrected List of Silver Quill Proposals

2015-07-15 Thread omd
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 9:27 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: > 7693 Revised Province of Agora I informally nominate this one for a Silver Quill, for causing an inordinate number of words to be shed scamming and counterscamming it, a situation which ended not when the issues were settled but when everyone go

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Corrected List of Silver Quill Proposals

2015-07-15 Thread omd
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 11:25 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > That was just a proposal for tightening-up of language. It didn't try to > introduce any new mechanics. Oops. I meant to nominate the proposal which originally introduced the pending process, which is in fact 7728 (Even More Restricted Distri

Re: DIS: archives?

2015-07-16 Thread omd
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 12:28 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Hey omd, been getting 404s on the agoranomic archives for the > past couple days... -G. I think it's actually since yesterday, when I switched webservers... I tested http://agoranomic.org, but forgot the list stuff. Should be fixed now.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2015-07-16 Thread omd
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 6:15 AM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > I thought (and Wikipedia agrees) that IRV stages without a majority winner > (which includes any with a top tie) choose (one or more) losers, not a > winner. Ah, yes. Thinko.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2015-07-16 Thread omd
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: > On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 2:22 PM, omd wrote: >> (d) If the valid options are ordered lists of preferences, the >> outcome is decided using instant-runoff voting. In case >> multiple valid preferenc

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ proposals

2015-07-17 Thread omd
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Tanner Swett wrote: > If two people have expressed interest in judging but > have both been remitted, is the Arbitor prohibited from assigning > either one to the case? Good point. I will amend.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting Results for Proposals 7758-7762

2015-07-19 Thread omd
2): ais523 Warrigal voted FOR without pseudo-acronym (4): omd Tiger Tekneek Roujo G. attempted to be ambiguous about it, but either way, pseudo-acronym wouldn't hit 50%.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting Results for Proposals 7758-7762

2015-07-19 Thread omd
On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 6:01 PM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > Do you really need special list admin powers for that? Testing... You don't, but a quick archive grep suggests that nobody tried this in a voting message. I also doubt it would work legally, any more than you can publish something by putti

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting Results for Proposals 7758-7762

2015-07-19 Thread omd
On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 7:16 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > What Ørjan means ("Testing...") is that e slipped it into a field of > that last email... Yeah, I know. But I checked the aforementioned archive to verify that nobody did the same in a message actually containing a vote.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Hear Ye, Hear Ye!

2015-07-21 Thread omd
On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > no worries! I'll deputize to assign the CFJ if no one jumps into the > Arbitor role by tomorrow. -t. I'm willing to do it, but do you have a copy of the current state of your interested judge list? (t.?)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Hear Ye, Hear Ye!

2015-07-21 Thread omd
On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 2:50 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > I announced a couple months ago that I was defining "interested" by > "voted at least once in the last couple weeks of Assessor's reports, > and hasn't explicitly said they *weren't* interested." In other > words, being interested enough to pl

DIS: Re: BUS: Let's punish people again

2015-07-22 Thread omd
On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 7:14 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > proscribe a task for the Defendant to perform in a timely prescribe? > The defendant's performing of the apology or task is an act of > penance that has the effect of destroying one Red Card (if any) > in eir po

Re: DIS: About Proposals 7773 and 7774

2015-07-28 Thread omd
On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 2:43 AM, tmanthe2nd . wrote: > Proposals 7773 and 7774 gives the wrong ID number for the rule it amends. > Rule 2455 does not exist. So, the proposals don't actually do anything. So they do. Nice catch.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Silver Quill Vote

2015-07-29 Thread omd
On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 3:09 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Proto (I was thinking about this already) > > In the Silver Quill voting, each player picks eir > first (5 points), second (3 points) and third (1 point) > choices. Proposal with the most points wins. Well, this is a Borda count; I propos

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Voting for the Silver Quill is now Open

2015-07-29 Thread omd
On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 6:04 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > It's the degree of difficulty. Determining eligible players requires finding > a single > week-old report, which well within the realm of "clear". A report with the list of proposals (with ID and title, but not text) was published two weeks

Re: DIS: Where did Win by Paradox go?

2015-08-01 Thread omd
On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Tanner Swett wrote: > Rule 2358, which defined Win by Paradox, was present in the ruleset > published on 25 August 2013, but absent in the ruleset published on 17 > December 2013. I couldn't find any proposals which repealed the rule. > So where did it go? Proposal

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Where did Win by Paradox go?

2015-08-02 Thread omd
On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 2:04 AM, Gaelan Steele wrote: > I support. Why not? To vote, you'll have to wait for the proposal to be distributed by the Promotor.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of proposals 7780-83

2015-08-03 Thread omd
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Tanner Swett wrote: > On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 12:15 AM, omd wrote: > >> 7782+ the Warrigal 3.0 Power Always Controls Mutability > > AGAINST - this would prevent proposals from modifying Power>3 rules, > > because Rule 106 is Power

DIS: Re: BAK: test

2015-08-03 Thread omd
On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 1:50 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Well my goodness, hi.CFJ: Quazie is a player. Arguments: I don't see any reason why "I attempt to leave" would be ineffective.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3450 assigned to Roujo

2015-08-05 Thread omd
On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 10:26 PM, Jonathan Rouillard wrote: > The intent is at least as clear as the preceding one. If neither are > sufficient, then Quazie never became a player. If both are, e briefly was > but then left. In both cases, the outcome is the same in regards to this > CFJ: TRUE. Thi

DIS: Proto: RFCs

2015-08-10 Thread omd
Proto: RFCs (AI=1.7) [A new proposal mechanism for Ephemeral rules. Inspired by Asimov's short story "Franchise", where every year a computer picks a single "most representative" American as the Voter of the Year... Alternately, it could be seen as an inversion of the idea of Moots: they convert

DIS: Re: BUS: A rantlet

2015-08-13 Thread omd
On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Tanner Swett wrote: > You know, I'm starting to feel like Agora really isn't the nomic for > me. Whenever we're faced with a choice between multiple valid and > justifiable interpretations of the rules, we seem to rarely simply go > with whichever option is most c

Re: DIS: Official rules?

2015-08-14 Thread omd
On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Travis Briggs wrote: > As someone who is thinking about registering, I was just wondering, what is > the canonical source of current rules? > > The link on the homepage points to a text file that says "go see > http://agora.qoid.us/current_flr.txt"; which itself is

Fwd: DIS: Footnotes version

2015-08-14 Thread omd
On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Thu, 13 Aug 2015, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> Did a quick re-write of The Game of Agora category in the Less Logical >> Ruleset style. In terms of precedence, assume footnotes for each >> rule are appended to main text of rule. This re-write sho

Re: DIS: Official rules?

2015-08-14 Thread omd
On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Fri, 14 Aug 2015, omd wrote: >> Somewhat related non-homepage-related ideas: >> - Non-fixed-width ruleset >> - Better rule browser > > - Searchable Case Database That's existed for a long time, I just ha

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: $$$

2015-08-14 Thread omd
On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Tanner Swett wrote: >> For the first 30 days after this rule is first enacted, the first player >> during >> a UTC day to, by announcement, claim the day’s $$$, causing them to gain 50 >> $$$. >> Claiming a day’s $$$ CANNOT be automated. > > The first sentence is

Re: DIS: Official rules?

2015-08-14 Thread omd
On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Fri, 14 Aug 2015, omd wrote: >> - Mention that reading the entire ruleset is not a requirement for joining. >> - More generally, there should be a guide for new players. > > Honestly, rather than a guidebook, maybe we

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