Re: DIS: Research Question

2019-12-28 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 12/28/19 5:11 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: I seem to recall hearing once about an incident where a person attempted to register as a player twice concurrently under different names. Does anyone know where that precedent can be found? It's relevant to a thesis that I'm thinking

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Resolve the troubles

2019-12-28 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 12/28/19 3:49 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote: ~~~ Each of the following messages was effectively sent to the Public Forum on or about the Date: stamp shown in the archives. Claims within these messages (in particular, claims to perform actions) may still be ineffective for other re

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 8277

2019-12-28 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 12/19/19 1:38 AM, Aris Merchant wrote: For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the quorum is 3 I think quorum was 4, since 8276 had 6 voters; although I don't think it actually matters whether it was 3 or 4, since 4 people voted. -- Jason Cobb

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: precedence scam?

2019-12-29 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 12/29/19 4:39 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: That's the exact reason is why R1030 is written that way - R1030 prevents the rule from "getting into the ruleset" in the first place. When you say "precedence over all rules" it's a straightforward precedence claim of the sort that's

DIS: Re: OFF: income

2019-12-29 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 12/29/19 10:26 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote: I earn 5 coins for publishing the most recent Rulekeepor's weekly report. I earn 5 coins for publishing the most recent Rulekeepor's monthly report. Sorry about that going to OFF; force of habit, I suppose. -- Jason Cobb

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Full Logical Ruleset - December

2019-12-29 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 12/29/19 10:30 PM, Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sun, 29 Dec 2019, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote: > >> THE FULL LOGICAL RULESET > You forgot to strip trailing spaces, so these again have that > format=flowed problem. > > Greetings, > Ørjan. Gah, apparently email is har

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8277-8279

2019-12-31 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/1/20 12:47 AM, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: > TTtt goddamn PF > > Gaelan NttPF. -- Jason Cobb

Re: DIS: ratifying honour etc.

2020-01-07 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/7/20 6:10 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > (2) dividing the ruleset itself so that rule categories > are more binding, and rules precedence works as "category then power" > (e.g. any rule in the "economy" category has precedence over > "non-economy" category when it comes to coins

Re: DIS: ratifying honour etc.

2020-01-07 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/7/20 4:13 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > H. Assessor, I'm sorry for leaving you with a mess; if there's > anything the Promotor's office can do to help, let me know. > > -Aris I don't think there are any problems left right now. The resolutions should self-ratify in a few da

Re: DIS: ratifying honour etc.

2020-01-08 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
Seems reasonable to me. On Wed, Jan 8, 2020, 12:09 PM Aris Merchant via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 8:24 PM Aris Merchant > wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 3:12 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > > wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 7

Re: DIS: ratifying honour etc.

2020-01-08 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/8/20 12:08 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: >> Each officer has the power to, with notice, issue a memorandum, >> which shall consist in a public document and shall, once issued, >> have the power to resolve bindingly any matter within eir official area of >> concern, inso

Re: DIS: [Draft] Contract Patency v2

2020-01-08 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/8/20 5:42 PM, AIS523--- via agora-discussion wrote: > I have an automatic uneasy reaction to anything that inherently needs > to be able to platonically evaluate arbitrary conditions that can be > specified without going through a proposal process or the like, > especially if there are no requ

Re: DIS: [draft] procedural ratification

2020-01-09 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/9/20 2:11 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > By including "purposeful", it covers scams; e.g. with Jason Cobb's 18,000 > coins - the scammer would have at least the 4 day objection period to enjoy > eir earnings or convert it to a win[*] or whatever. > > [*]since winning and patent

Re: DIS: [draft] procedural ratification

2020-01-09 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/9/20 11:22 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > Jason Cobb wrote: >> Sorry, but 4 days doesn't seem like enough here. If there's a CFJ on the >> scam, then even if everyone is acting LEGALLY, it could take up to two >> weeks to get a judgement. During that time, the scammer would have

DIS: Re: Modules and dependencies

2020-01-10 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/10/20 9:48 PM, James Cook wrote: > Is this intended to be along the same lines as Trigon's "Interesting > Chambers" proto from September? (Subject lines: "Proto for a new > voting/chamber system" and "Interesting Chambers v2".) > > Your proposal is interesting. How did you imagine these being

Re: DIS: Re: Modules and dependencies

2020-01-11 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/11/20 12:13 AM, James Cook wrote: > Oh right, yes, that would be nice. > > I'm confused about a couple of things: > > * A module has a list of dependencies (does that mean "things that > depend on it"?), and each rule has a "Parent". Are "Parents" the same > thing as "dependencies"? Can module

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3790 Assigned to G.

2020-01-12 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/12/20 4:26 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-official wrote: > The below CFJ is 3790. I assign it to G.. > > status: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/#3790 > > === CFJ 3790 === > > The sending of this message (the entire

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Arbitor] Request

2020-01-12 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/12/20 5:36 PM, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sun, 12 Jan 2020 at 11:12, Kerim Aydin via agora-business < > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> Like with [Proposal], please put/edit [CFJ] into subject lines >> when you call a CFJ, if you think about it :). >> > I can appre

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Seeking a new mandate

2020-01-12 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/12/20 10:14 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > On the other hand, I haven't been very creative with the office. Even > my election-just-to-get-a-ribbon plan is simply copying the H. Arbitor > and Assessor, who did it in November. Are you planning to do something > interesting if you

Re: DIS: Proto: Bureaucratic Power

2020-01-13 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/13/20 5:58 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion wrote: > I agree that it would be good to have some way of giving officers extra > votes on relevant proposals - this was also the goal of Trigon's > "Interesting Chambers" proto - but I'm not sure that this system is > workable in practice

DIS: Re: BUS: Referee Election

2020-01-13 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/13/20 6:06 PM, Alexis Hunt via agora-business wrote: > I initiate an election for Referee. By what method? -- Jason Cobb

Re: Fwd: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie auction fix

2020-01-16 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/16/20 9:39 PM, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 19:38, AIS523--- via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> On Thu, 2020-01-16 at 15:05 -0800, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion >> wrote: >>> Now here we are a third time. Whatever we ca

Re: DIS: [Drafts] Administrative Law

2020-01-16 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/16/20 10:45 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > - > Title: The Reset Button v2 > Adoption index: 3.0 > Author: Aris > Co-authors: G. > > > Create the following power 3.0 rule entitled "The Reset Button": >

Re: DIS: [Drafts] Administrative Law

2020-01-16 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/16/20 11:11 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 7:53 PM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion > wrote: > >> I like the ideas, as I've said before (although I haven't yet thoroughly >> combed through these drafts for any bugs). One

Re: DIS: [Drafts] Administrative Law

2020-01-17 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/16/20 10:45 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > Title: Consolidated Regulatory Recordkeeping > Adoption index: 3.0 > Author: Aris > Co-authors: > > [The Rulekeepor is willing to take on this responsibility, and it > makes considerably more sense than making the officer include a ra

DIS: [Proto] Deputisation timeliness

2020-01-18 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
Full disclosure, I think the bug that this fixes could be used for a scam attempt similar to the 18K scam. Specifically, I believe a person could find an office that missed a report a while ago, and then repeatedly deputise for it, earning a Cyan ribbon an arbitrary number of times. I just want t

Re: DIS: [Proto] Deputisation timeliness

2020-01-18 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/18/20 10:07 PM, Alexis Hunt wrote: > > I don't think you're correct; the first condition of rule 2160 is that > the officer is required to perform the action. You would need to set > this up would be if you could create a way that the officer could > perform the action without discharging the

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal dump

2020-01-19 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/19/20 10:39 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-business wrote: > and SHALL before the end > of the next Agoran week, grant the associated set of assets to the > player. I don't think this is an actual requirement. According to Rule 2141, "a rule [...] is always taking effect", which

Re: DIS: [Proto] Deputisation timeliness

2020-01-19 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/18/20 11:07 PM, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > Ah, I see where we were thinking differently. Yes, I think your idea works > then, so long as it happens earlier in the week before the officer > publishes the report and the obligation is live. Once the report is > published, the oblig

DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8280-8286

2020-01-20 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/20/20 4:46 PM, James Cook wrote: > On Mon, 20 Jan 2020 at 03:29, Jason Cobb via agora-official > wrote: >> PROPOSAL 8286 (I Forbid Vetos!) >> FOR (3): Aris, Falsifian, twg >> AGAINST (6): Alexis, G., Gaelan, Jason Cobb, Rance, o >> PRESENT (0): >> BALLOTS: 9 >> AI (F/A): 9/18 (AI=1.0) >> OUTC

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Revenge of CFJ 3772

2020-01-21 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/21/20 10:54 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > On 1/21/2020 7:21 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: >> Well, now that the CFJs from the Troubles have been assigned, I have one >> that I've wanted to do for a little while: >> >> >> CFJ: "Coming into existence is a regulated act

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Revenge of CFJ 3772

2020-01-21 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/21/20 11:06 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > Actually you might want to re-call this with different phrasing. You can > ask if a game-object (not sure if that's the right word) coming into > existence is a regulated action, but your phrasing suggests that anything > coming into e

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8287-8307

2020-01-23 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/20/20 10:22 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-official wrote: > // > ID: 8299 > Title: The Reset Button v2 > Adoption index: 3.0 > Author: Aris > Co-authors: G. > > If no proposal whose title contains the text "Administrative Adjudi

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3788 Assigned to Jason Cobb

2020-01-25 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/25/20 9:55 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-official wrote: > The below CFJ is 3788. I assign it to Jason Cobb. > > status: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/#3788 > > === CFJ 3788 === > > If the two documents quoted abov

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3797 Assigned to Falsifian

2020-01-25 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/25/20 10:04 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-official wrote: > The below CFJ is 3797. I assign it to Falsifian. > > status: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/#3797 > > === CFJ 3797 === > > Coming into existence is a regul

Re: DIS: [Proto-Proposals] The beginnings of reform

2020-01-25 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/25/20 8:32 PM, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > Amend Rule 2125 (Regulated Actions) to read: > { > An action is regulated by a body of law if (1) its performance is > limited, allowed, enabled, or permitted by that body of law; (2) that > body of law describes the circumstances under

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Shortening of name

2020-01-25 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/25/20 10:31 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > Thank you! Thank you! You have no idea how much easier this makes to fit in > the authors on a proposal distribution. > > (Please, no one respond by being contrary and expanding their Agoran name.) > > -Aris That was a stronger reac

Re: DIS: The Very Worst Thing That Could Possibly Happen (Attn. Distributor)

2020-01-28 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/28/20 2:14 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 12:03 AM omd via agora-discussion > wrote: > >> I suppose I could mirror the archives on GitHub, which would be less >> idiosyncratic and more resilient to me getting hit by a bus. That >> would, however, impl

DIS: On old CFJs

2020-01-28 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
Rule 991 states: > At any time, each CFJ is either open (default), suspended, or > assigned exactly one judgement. What exactly does it mean for a CFJ to be "assigned exactly one judgement"? Specifically, does this include judgements that are not listed as "valid judgements" by Rule

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8287-8307

2020-01-28 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/28/20 11:12 PM, omd via agora-discussion wrote: > On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 7:47 PM Jason Cobb via agora-business > wrote: >> I earn 5 coins for assessing a proposal. > You can't, because P8295 made it so the ADoP has to do this. (And is > also broken, so nobody can do it.) Well, dammit. --

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8287-8307

2020-01-29 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/29/20 1:45 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion wrote: > Jason Cobb wrote: >> RESOLUTION OF PROPOSALS 8287-8307 >> = >> >> I hereby resolve the Agoran decisions to adopt the below proposals. > NB: The F/A ratios on several of Proposals 8292-8307, and on th

DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8287-8307

2020-01-29 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/28/20 10:26 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote: > Amend Rule 2438 ("Ribbons") as follows: > > Replace the paragraph starting "While a person qualifies..." with > the following: I know this is probably unnecessarily pedantic, but does this work with the "..." being inside the quotati

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8287-8307

2020-01-29 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/29/20 7:27 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 4:23 PM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion > wrote: >> On 1/28/20 10:26 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote: >>> Amend Rule 2438 ("Ribbons") as follows: >>> >&

Re: DIS: Rulekeeping Request (Attn. Rulekeepor)

2020-01-30 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/30/20 1:31 AM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > For rule cleanings, it would be nice (IMHO) to have who cleaned the rule be > part of the annotation, for the historical record. One could tack something > like “on the application of ” onto the end of the annotation so > that we’d kno

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8287-8307

2020-01-30 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/30/20 8:32 AM, Jason Cobb wrote: > Alright, fine. CoE on each resolution for a proposal with number not > less than 8292, as well as 8290: they're wrong. For the next seven > days, I pledge not to deny any of these CoEs. > > Updated assessments coming... eventually. I have to update my > autom

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8287-8307

2020-01-30 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/30/20 10:21 AM, James Cook wrote: > Shouldn't you also say that you resolve these decisions? My > understanding is that you're not publishing a report here; you're > re-taking some by-announcement actions in case your first attempt at > those actions failed. > > - Falsifian You're probably r

DIS: A quirk in the CFJ archives

2020-01-30 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
During research for CFJ 3888, I discovered that there appears to have been a bug ... somewhere in the history. >From the (arbitrarily selected) text of CFJ 2991 in the Github backup [0]: > > Request for reconsideration by :

Re: DIS: A quirk in the CFJ archives

2020-01-30 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/30/20 11:20 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > So, this is from the era of the mysql database. The mysql database actually > had fields like "Caller" and "Judge" as lookups. This was looked up live when > you queried the database for a case. One place this was used was nickname

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3788 Assigned to Jason Cobb

2020-01-30 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/25/20 9:55 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-official wrote: > The below CFJ is 3788. I assign it to Jason Cobb. > > status: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/#3788 > > === CFJ 3788 === > > If the two documents quoted abov

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: A quirk in the CFJ archives

2020-01-31 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/31/20 11:22 AM, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: > I Grumble Very Loudly, withdraw *that* CFJ, and submit the following one, now > wrapped at 68 (and, as an additional safety, uses ES6’s ` strings which > should work across lines): { > G really ought to make sure the string (window.

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: A quirk in the CFJ archives

2020-01-31 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/31/20 3:42 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > For the record, I just sent the case assignment message, it tripped my > spam filter on the return so dunno if enough people will see the > assignment to make it public :) I got it. -- Jason Cobb

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8287-8307

2020-02-01 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/1/20 12:09 AM, James Cook wrote: > Are we sure the first attempt at resolving the decisions didn't > succeed? I've lost track. > > In case we're a the situation like Alexis outlined, where the first > succeeds platonically and this one succeeds via self-ratification, I > tried to work out what

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Thesis Committee for twg

2020-02-01 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
NttPF. -- Jason Cobb On 1/31/20 8:50 AM, Tanner Swett via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020, 22:37 Alexis Hunt via agora-official < > agora-offic...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> I intend, with 2 Agoran Consent, to award twg the Patent Title of Associate >> of Nomic, subject to the c

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8308-8321

2020-02-01 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/1/20 5:24 PM, James Cook via agora-business wrote: > 8310& Jason, Alexis3.0 Deputisation timeliness > AGAIST --- Wouldn't let me deputise for a vacant office to perform an > action unrelated to the office? Err... yes, yes it would. That's not good. (No, this wasn't a scam.) -

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8308-8321

2020-02-01 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/1/20 5:33 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-business wrote: >> 8310& Jason, Alexis3.0 Deputisation timeliness > PRESENT. Seems inoffensive, but I haven't been paying attention to the > discussion about why it's necessary. Also it's one of those proposals > that requires me to pain

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3788 Assigned to Jason Cobb

2020-02-01 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/1/20 6:25 PM, James Cook wrote: > Comments inline. I think I agree with the gist of this, but there are > parts I'm confused about, and also, I don't quite buy one of your > arguments (but it could be because I'm confused). > You're probably confused because, in hindsight, the draft wasn't ve

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3788 Assigned to Jason Cobb

2020-02-01 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/1/20 7:14 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > No worries, it happens to all of us. That's why we have review > mechanisms in place. The review of others is the best way of catching > errors, and everyone makes an error from time to time. Your legal > reasoning is generally very goo

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8287-8307

2020-02-01 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/1/20 7:20 PM, James Cook wrote: > I submit a proposal as follows: > > Title: Unrepetition > AI: 3 > Chamber: Efficiency Perhaps the H. Promotor should order this first in the batch so that the other proposals have a definite ruleset to work with? If not, I'll try to remember to resolve it fi

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3788 Assigned to Jason Cobb

2020-02-02 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/1/20 7:05 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: > On 2/1/20 6:57 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: >> I intend, with 2 support, to group-file a motion to reconsider. > I self-file a motion to reconsider in CFJ 3788. > > Alright, a less insane and non-procrastinated draft judgement that I can leave

Re: DIS: test

2020-02-02 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/2/20 9:15 PM, omd via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sun, Feb 2, 2020 at 6:01 PM comex wrote: >> Now testing if Haraka can deliver to everyone. > ...except that didn't actually use Haraka because I sent from the > wrong address. This time for real. Received, if it helps. -- Jason Cobb

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3788 Assigned to Jason Cobb

2020-02-06 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/6/20 12:02 PM, James Cook wrote: > It's not clear to me your judgement would break self-ratification of > switch reports. Aris's documents were written in an unusual way: they > said that at some earlier date, the values of two switch instances > changed. Self-ratifying switch reports generall

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Let's deal with the temporary rules.

2020-02-06 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/6/20 1:41 PM, James Cook via agora-business wrote: > least one week since this rule was last amended, then any player > CAN repeal this rule by announcement. Per Rule 105, only Instruments can cause rule changes, and persons are not Instruments. -- Jason Cobb

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Let's deal with the temporary rules.

2020-02-06 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/6/20 1:49 PM, James Cook wrote: > Title: Blink test v1.1 > AI: 1 > Chamber: Legislation > Text: { > > Amend Rule 2601 to read in full: > > If this is the only sentence in this rule, and it has been at > least one week since this rule was last amended, then any player > CAN Cl

DIS: Re: BUS: Editorial Guidelines

2020-02-06 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/6/20 7:47 PM, Alexis Hunt via agora-business wrote: > "I intend, with Agoran consent, to enact the following Editorial Guidelines:" > > does not seem like multiple separate intents. Whoops, you're right. I was thinking the rule said CAN enact a (singular) Guideline, not CAN enact (plural) Gu

DIS: Re: BUS: Editorial Guidelines

2020-02-06 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/6/20 7:26 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-business wrote: > I object to the lists one because the example given is very confusing. > It's not an inline list because it's separated from the surrounding > prose, and it's not a block list because the elements aren't separated > by line breaks. An

Re: DIS: [Reporter] Last Week in Agora

2020-02-06 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/7/20 12:07 AM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: >> Thanks! I added it because Aris suggested some interpretive element >> would be nice in the weekly summaries. Seems like a good payoff for >> not much extra effort. > Yeah, I really do like it! It somehow changes the character of the

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8308-8321

2020-02-07 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/7/20 1:35 AM, Luke Tyler via agora-business wrote: >> 8308& Falsifian3.0 Imposing order on the order > PRESENT > >> 8309* Alexis 3.0 A Degree of Inefficiency > AGAINST > I'm sorry, I believe you missed the cutoff by a few hours. -- Jason Cobb

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer ain't dead no mo'

2020-02-08 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/8/20 12:10 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > * You can make one-party contracts now. (The Rulekeepor hasn't caught > up with that one yet, but it's "Contract Patency v3" in last week's > proposal resolution [0].) The data files are updated for the last resolutions, but I think at

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: [Arbitor] CFJ 3798 Assigned to G.

2020-02-08 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/8/20 7:11 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: > [5] https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?3773 found that > future-dated reports are inaccurate by nature (too inaccurate to be considered > a report). Didn't that CFJ find that I could be punished "for publishing, as part of

DIS: [Assessor] Request for office confirmation

2020-02-08 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
Because there hasn't been an ADoP report in over a month (I hope Murphy's okay), I'd just like to confirm office holdings because the assessments depend on it: The latest report is at [0]. As far as I know, the changes from then are: * Herald is held by Alexis. * Prime Minister is held by Ale

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Notary] Weekly report

2020-02-09 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/9/20 1:48 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote: > If Notary does not have Ministry set, then I set it to {Economy}. I believe you can only do this without objection, per Proposal 8291's rule "ministries". -- Jason Cobb

DIS: [Assessor] Draft resolutions of Proposals 8308-8321

2020-02-09 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
Because this is the first distribution with ministries (and my code probably contains bugs), here's a draft resolution. (I've already hand checked the voting strengths, bu I could have missed something). RESOLUTION OF PROPOSALS 8308-8321 = I hereby resolve the Ago

Re: DIS: [Assessor] Draft resolutions of Proposals 8308-8321

2020-02-09 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/9/20 6:42 PM, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > The original AI was 2 when it was submitted. Noticing this error > within the week of distribution would invalidate it for lack of > clarity, but it's self-ratified, so I believe it's properly > distributed at AI=2 now. > > -Alexis I th

DIS: Re: BUS: Election Intents

2020-02-09 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/9/20 7:14 PM, Alexis Hunt via agora-business wrote: > * Assessor, as I'm dissatisfied with the sparse content of resolutions; What other content would you like in the resolutions? I'll also point out there is more information at https://agoranomic.org/assessor/ since I try to keep the messag

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Election Intents

2020-02-09 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/9/20 7:29 PM, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > I would absolutely prefer to see the full version from that site > posted to the mailing lists as it makes it much easier to work out. > Last time I mentioned conditional votes I believe you didn't mention > this site, and that was defini

DIS: Re: BUS: [attn Promotor] Proposals: Clarify quorum

2020-02-10 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/10/20 10:33 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote: > If the author's proposal "Clarify quorum (option 2)" has been or > would be adopted with a greater or equal proportion of support, then > this proposal has no effect. Otherwise: This should probably say "(option 1)" instead of "(optio

Re: DIS: Inquiry (attn. Assessor)

2020-02-11 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/11/20 2:04 AM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > H. Assessor, the Promotorial Proposal Office is tentatively holding off on > distributing the next round of proposals until the current round is > resolved. In particular, we believe that it would be advantageous for the > Proposal 832

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8322-3541

2020-02-12 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/12/20 10:18 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-official wrote: > ID Author(s)AITitle > --- > 8322* Falsifian, Alexis, twg 3.0 Unrepetition v1.1 > 8323* Jason3.0 Secure Ribbons >

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: [Promotor] Renumbered Index: Proposals 8322-3341

2020-02-13 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/13/20 12:00 AM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: > Fucking hell. I didn't even fix the numbers. I'm so stressed out about > my mistake that I only fixed half the problem. I am so sorry everyone. > This is truly mortifying. It's alright! I have no complaints about the work you've done

DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8308-8321

2020-02-13 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/12/20 9:17 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote: > PROPOSAL 8317 (Zombie trade) > FOR (5): Alexis%, Bernie, Gaelan, omd, twg& > AGAINST (6): Aris, Falsifian$, G., Jason, Rance, o > PRESENT (0): > BALLOTS: 11 > AI (F/A): 21/19 (AI=1.0) > OUTCOME: ADOPTED Out of curiosity, what the reward

DIS: Re: BUS: [CFJ] [attn Rulekeepor] Re: BUS: [attn: Tailor] Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8308-8321

2020-02-14 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/14/20 12:59 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-business wrote: > *sigh* > > CFJ, barring Falsifian: "Falsifian was awarded a Red Ribbon today." > > Arguments: > > Rule 2438 says: > > Red (R): When a proposal is adopted and changes at least one rule > that, immediately before or after

DIS: test

2020-02-14 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
Getting some failure notices for a certain message, I want to see if it's only for that message. -- Jason Cobb

Re: DIS: test

2020-02-14 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/14/20 2:25 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > Getting some failure notices for a certain message, I want to see if > it's only for that message. > > -- Jason Cobb Looks like it is, since I got this back (w/o failure notice). -- Jason Cobb

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Re-renumbered Index: Proposals 8322-8341

2020-02-14 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/14/20 2:12 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-business wrote: >> 8323* Jason3.0 Secure Ribbons > Conditional: AGAINST if Jason votes AGAINST; otherwise PRESENT. > Undeniably a good idea, but I can't quite bring myself to give up on > such a juicy scam target. > [Apologies

Re: DIS: test

2020-02-14 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/14/20 2:26 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: > On 2/14/20 2:25 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: >> Getting some failure notices for a certain message, I want to see if >> it's only for that message. >> >> -- Jason Cobb > > Looks like it is, since I got

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Re-renumbered Index: Proposals 8322-8341

2020-02-15 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/15/20 9:39 AM, Tanner Swett via agora-discussion wrote: > On Fri, Feb 14, 2020, 14:12 Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-business < > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >>> 8331j Warrigal 1.7 Promissory cleanliness >> Conditional: AGAINST if Warrigal votes AGAINST; otherwise P

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Re-renumbered Index: Proposals 8322-8341

2020-02-17 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/17/20 3:14 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-business wrote: > Jason wrote: >> Since there was apparently no actual zombie auction, I still have Rance. >> I cause Rance to vote to ENDORSE me in every Agoran decision on whether >> to adopt a proposal currently in its voting period. > Oh, right. I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Re-renumbered Index: Proposals 8322-8341

2020-02-17 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/17/20 6:47 PM, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > I think I missed something. Why does broken zombie auctions mean that > you own the zombies? I only reset Rance's master if there was an ongoing zombie auctino [0]. [0]: https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-bus

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Re-renumbered Index: Proposals 8322-8341

2020-02-17 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/17/20 6:47 PM, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > I think I missed something. Why does broken zombie auctions mean that > you own the zombies? I only reset Rance's master if there was an ongoing zombie auction [0]. [0]: https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-bus

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Re-renumbered Index: Proposals 8322-8341

2020-02-17 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/17/20 6:58 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: > I only reset Rance's master if there was an ongoing zombie auction [0]. Whoops, looks like that sent twice. Sorry. -- Jason Cobb

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] The Ribbon Bar

2020-02-17 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/17/20 8:07 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion wrote: > Jason wrote: >> Hmm... Seeing as I have never previously owned a White Ribbon, I award >> myself White Glitter. > To be eligible for Glitter of any colour you need to have owned that > Ribbon within the past 7 days (that's what the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [DoV] Leaving the bourgeoisie

2020-02-17 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/17/20 9:21 PM, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: >> I award myself Platinum glitter. > I don't believe this works because one cannot earn Platinum Ribbons; > they are only qualified for. > > -Alexis The latest language in R2438 is: > While a person qualifies for a type of Ribbon

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Blots here! Come get your Blots!

2020-02-18 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/18/20 2:27 PM, James Cook wrote: > You can use the word "grant" as defined by rule 2577. E.g. "A person > CAN grant emself a specified number of blots by announcement.". Sure, but I don't think that's worth retracting and resubmitting the proposal. -- Jason Cobb

Re: DIS: [proto] Fix zombie auctions

2020-02-18 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/18/20 2:49 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 2/18/2020 11:43 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: >> On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 at 19:04, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion >> wrote: >>> On 2/18/2020 10:45 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: For the purpose of

Re: DIS: [proto] Fix zombie auctions

2020-02-18 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/18/20 2:00 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > On 2/18/2020 10:45 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: >> For the purpose of such a auction, to transfer a zombie to a >> player is to set that zombie's master switch to that player, and >> Agora CAN transfer zom

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Re-renumbered Index: Proposals 8322-8341

2020-02-18 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/18/20 4:52 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: >> 8323* Jason3.0 Secure Ribbons > AGAINST. I think it's already de-facto secured because you have to modify > the Ribbons rule to add ribbons. The text: "The types of Ribbon, and the > methods of obtaining them, ar

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3810 Assigned to Jason

2020-02-19 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/19/20 10:20 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-official wrote: > The below CFJ is 3810. I assign it to Jason. > > status: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/#3810 > > === CFJ 3810 === > > It is generally POSSIBLE to act on b

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] De-secure Black Ribbons

2020-02-19 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/19/20 9:38 PM, James Cook wrote: > I have the same question here as in another thread [0]: since awarding > a ribbon is a regulated action, does this rule need to explicitly > specify a mechanism that it's using to award the ribbon (or explicitly > override R2125)? > > [0] > https://mailman.a

Re: DIS: CFJ 3813 proto-judged FALSE

2020-02-20 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/20/20 6:08 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: > I’ll start with the second question. It appears that the version of the rule > in question there was 8139/20. (The court admonishes G. for failing to > include revision numbers in his rule citations, by the way.) The current > rule,

Re: DIS: CFJ 3813 proto-judged FALSE

2020-02-20 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/20/20 7:08 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > So when R1742 was re-implemented (replacing R2520-2527), we still ended up > with "Agora = agreement" and "contract = agreement" but the link "Agora = > contract", while not inconsistent with the R1742 text, was never re-created. > > -G.

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