Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1951 assigned to OscarMeyr

2008-05-30 Thread comex
On 5/30/08, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A system that allows a judicial scam to succeed by legitimizing an improper > judgement is no longer a judicial system worthy of Agora. Agorans put > great store in their legal system, so such a system is un-Agoran. The reason > the First G

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1951 assigned to OscarMeyr

2008-05-30 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 30 May 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: > In retrospect, I suppose it was my general disdain for the > equity court (which has yet to actually produce a useful equation, > save perhaps the judgement in CFJ 1927 (which had not yet been judged > when I started putting this scam together)) that led me

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1951 assigned to OscarMeyr

2008-05-30 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 30 May 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: > And there's the > great irony in what you just wrote: you complain about the > criminalization of judging poorly in one sentence, and in the next > sentence you remark that a judge who may have done just that got off > too easily. Sorry, I phrased that ba

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1951 assigned to OscarMeyr

2008-05-30 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 30 May 2008, Ed Murphy wrote: > Proto-Proposal: Defend the judiciary > In the interest of defending the judicial system as a paragon of > virtue, unfairly self-interested judgements are never appropriate, > rules to the contrary notwithstanding. Please take a look at my p

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1951 assigned to OscarMeyr

2008-05-30 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: > NttDF? (What happens if you send a proto to a-b, anyway?) On top of strong game custom, it fails to meet Rule 106's "clear indication" requirement. > as far as I could tell, it would be inequitable to judge anything but > what the parties wanted. [snip] > What would other players

RE: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1951 assigned to OscarMeyr

2008-05-30 Thread Alexander Smith
Geoffrey Spear wrote: > On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Alexander Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > and as far as I > > could tell, it would be inequitable to judge anything but what the parties > > wanted. > > If all of the parties agree to a resolution, the equity court isn't > needed. I don

Re: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1951 assigned to OscarMeyr

2008-05-30 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Alexander Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > and as far as I > could tell, it would be inequitable to judge anything but what the parties > wanted. If all of the parties agree to a resolution, the equity court isn't needed. I don't think this interpretation is a go

RE: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1951 assigned to OscarMeyr

2008-05-30 Thread Alexander Smith
Murphy wrote in a-b: > Proto-Proposal: Defend the judiciary > (AI = 2, please) > > Amend Rule 2158 (Judicial Questions) by inserting this paragraph after > the paragraph containing "A judgement is valid and/or appropriate only > as defined by the rules.": > > In the interest of defending t

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1951 assigned to OscarMeyr

2008-05-30 Thread Ian Kelly
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A system that allows a judicial scam to succeed by legitimizing an improper > judgement is no longer a judicial system worthy of Agora. Agorans put > great store in their legal system, so such a system is un-Agoran. The rea

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1951 assigned to OscarMeyr

2008-05-30 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 30 May 2008, comex wrote: > In the Mousetrap Thesis, it's described how a > scam that goes too far besides just plugging the loophole (too many > gravy for the scamsters) is un-Agoran. But awarding a little gravy is > reasonable, and preventing a scam from doing even that should be > fro

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1951 assigned to OscarMeyr

2008-05-30 Thread comex
On 5/29/08, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If valid scams should be allowed, then so should valid counter-scams; > this alone is a red herring. Perhaps, but then Goethe's (purported-- as I mentioned, e claims this was not eir intent) scam-buster should be considered a scam itself, a sort o

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1951 assigned to OscarMeyr

2008-05-29 Thread Ian Kelly
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 8:05 PM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Because anyone could have made the scam contest cease to be a contest > without 3 objections (and I don't think there would have been 3 > bojections, Sure there would have been. That was our reason for bringing a third founding m

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1951 assigned to OscarMeyr

2008-05-29 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: > On 5/29/08, Benjamin Schultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> But the CFJ isn't over *appropriate* judgements, it's over assigning a >> judgement at all. > > Umm, that's just a wording thing. What I was attempting to try em for > is failing to augment the ambiguity in the Rules with

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1951 assigned to OscarMeyr

2008-05-29 Thread Benjamin Schultz
On May 29, 2008, at 10:05 PM, comex wrote: On 5/29/08, Benjamin Schultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: But the CFJ isn't over *appropriate* judgements, it's over assigning a judgement at all. Umm, that's just a wording thing. What I was attempting to try em for is failing to augment the ambi

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1951 assigned to OscarMeyr

2008-05-29 Thread comex
On 5/29/08, Benjamin Schultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But the CFJ isn't over *appropriate* judgements, it's over assigning a > judgement at all. Umm, that's just a wording thing. What I was attempting to try em for is failing to augment the ambiguity in the Rules with respect to whether equa

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1951 assigned to OscarMeyr

2008-05-29 Thread Benjamin Schultz
On May 29, 2008, at 9:28 PM, Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 9:19 PM, Benjamin Schultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm getting hung up on the entire concept of calling a criminal case on a player for doing eir Agoran duty. Well, the rules do say judges SHALL assign appropriate j

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1951 assigned to OscarMeyr

2008-05-29 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 9:19 PM, Benjamin Schultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm getting hung up on the entire concept of calling a > criminal case on a player for doing eir Agoran duty. Well, the rules do say judges SHALL assign appropriate judgements. IIRC, I proposed changing that to SHOULD t