Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1711a: assign BobTHJ, comex, root

2007-09-17 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On 9/17/07, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm republishing this for the new judge assignment in case 1711a, and > I intend to cause the panel of BobTHJ, Wooble, and myself to judge > REMAND with these arguments, with the consent of BobTHJ and Wooble. I consent to having the panel judge RE

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1711a: assign BobTHJ, comex, root

2007-08-28 Thread Ian Kelly
On 8/28/07, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 8/28/07, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Just playing devil's advocate here: a failure to satisfy an > > obligation before it is removed is still a failure to satisfy that > > obligation. In any other circumstance there would be no issue

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1711a: assign BobTHJ, comex, root

2007-08-28 Thread Ian Kelly
On 8/28/07, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ian Kelly wrote: > >Arguably, removing an obligation does not count as satisfying it. > > Indeed it does not. But it does mean that there is no longer an > unsatisfied obligation. Precedent is pretty clear that there is no > obligation unless the ru

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1711a: assign BobTHJ, comex, root

2007-08-28 Thread Zefram
Ian Kelly wrote: >Arguably, removing an obligation does not count as satisfying it. Indeed it does not. But it does mean that there is no longer an unsatisfied obligation. Precedent is pretty clear that there is no obligation unless the rules currently impose one. -zefram

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1711a: assign BobTHJ, comex, root

2007-08-28 Thread Ian Kelly
On 8/28/07, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ian Kelly wrote: > >This might be considered a violation of Rule 2157, wrt the R2158 > >requirement to assign a judgement ASAP. > > I believe not, because self-recusal removes the obligation to judge. > However, as there's only one qualified panel for

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1711a: assign BobTHJ, comex, root

2007-08-28 Thread Roger Hicks
On 8/28/07, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 8/28/07, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I intend to cause the panel to recuse itself. > I support this, and note that you haven't responded to the email I sent you. > You'll have to resend, I can find any such e-mail. BobTHJ

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1711a: assign BobTHJ, comex, root

2007-08-28 Thread comex
On 8/28/07, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I intend to cause the panel to recuse itself. I support this, and note that you haven't responded to the email I sent you.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1711a: assign BobTHJ, comex, root

2007-08-28 Thread Zefram
Ian Kelly wrote: >This might be considered a violation of Rule 2157, wrt the R2158 >requirement to assign a judgement ASAP. I believe not, because self-recusal removes the obligation to judge. However, as there's only one qualified panel for this case, I'd just have to assign the same panel again.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1711a: assign BobTHJ, comex, root

2007-08-28 Thread Ian Kelly
On 8/28/07, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 8/27/07, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 8/27/07, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Therefore, I intend to cause the panel to judge AFFIRM on the appeal > > > of CFJ 1711. > > > > I will agree to this judgement if BobTHJ does,

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1711a: assign BobTHJ, comex, root

2007-08-28 Thread Roger Hicks
On 8/27/07, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 8/27/07, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Therefore, I intend to cause the panel to judge AFFIRM on the appeal > > of CFJ 1711. > > I will agree to this judgement if BobTHJ does, although as I stated in > my own analysis, I would prefer a ju

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1711a: assign BobTHJ, comex, root

2007-08-28 Thread Zefram
Levi Stephen wrote: >Why doesn't a panel qualify as a partnership under Rule 2145? It's not a contract. It's governed solely by R2157, and is not subject to amendment or dissolution by the procedures of R1742. I designed judicial panels to be non-persons but to take advantage of some of the conc

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1711a: assign BobTHJ, comex, root

2007-08-27 Thread Ian Kelly
On 8/27/07, Levi Stephen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's the only problem I saw also. Could a judicial panel be interpreted as a > binding agreement betweeen three players to judge a judicial case? I don't see how. If so, then R101(iv) could have some interesting consequences. -root

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1711a: assign BobTHJ, comex, root

2007-08-27 Thread Levi Stephen
Ian Kelly wrote: On 8/27/07, Levi Stephen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ian Kelly wrote: On 8/27/07, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 8/27/07, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Therefore, I intend to cause the panel to judge AFFIRM on the appeal of CFJ 1711. I also intend to cause the panel

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1711a: assign BobTHJ, comex, root

2007-08-27 Thread Ian Kelly
On 8/27/07, Levi Stephen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ian Kelly wrote: > > On 8/27/07, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On 8/27/07, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> Therefore, I intend to cause the panel to judge AFFIRM on the appeal > >>> of CFJ 1711. > >>> > >> I also intend to cause t

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1711a: assign BobTHJ, comex, root

2007-08-27 Thread Levi Stephen
Ian Kelly wrote: On 8/27/07, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 8/27/07, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Therefore, I intend to cause the panel to judge AFFIRM on the appeal of CFJ 1711. I also intend to cause the panel to register. Panels are not persons and so cannot register. I consid

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1711a: assign BobTHJ, comex, root

2007-08-27 Thread Ian Kelly
On 8/27/07, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Therefore, I intend to cause the panel to judge AFFIRM on the appeal > of CFJ 1711. I will agree to this judgement if BobTHJ does, although as I stated in my own analysis, I would prefer a judgement of REMAND. -root

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1711a: assign BobTHJ, comex, root

2007-08-27 Thread Ian Kelly
On 8/27/07, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 8/27/07, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Therefore, I intend to cause the panel to judge AFFIRM on the appeal > > of CFJ 1711. > > > > I also intend to cause the panel to register. Panels are not persons and so cannot register. I considered t

DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1711a: assign BobTHJ, comex, root

2007-08-27 Thread comex
On 8/27/07, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Therefore, I intend to cause the panel to judge AFFIRM on the appeal > of CFJ 1711. > I also intend to cause the panel to register.

DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1711a: assign BobTHJ, comex, root

2007-08-27 Thread comex
The appellant states that In the present case, Murphy's second message applies a correction in the form of an additional set of votes to insert into the prior message; it is clear how adding these votes affects the totals, so I see no need for the revised totals to be

DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1711a: assign BobTHJ, comex, root

2007-08-27 Thread Ian Kelly
> Appellant Zefram's Arguments: > > We have commonly accepted a published correction to a prior report as > constituting a new report that incorporates the bulk of the prior report > by reference. In the present case, Murphy's second message applies a > correction in the form of an additional set