DIS: Re: OFF: [Ambassador] Ambassador's report for July 17, 2007

2007-07-18 Thread Kerim Aydin
Peekee wrote: > From the outside what counts as an action by Agora? Heh. This is a stretch, but it's possible that the closest thing to the undefined "unrestricted" access in R2147 is "unregulated" access, in other words, to qualify as a protectorate, the nomic must let any "Agoran" attempt to

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Ambassador] Ambassador's report for July 17, 2007

2007-07-18 Thread Peekee
I was not really expecting that to work. What I was trying to point out is that Primo needs to define how Agora is allowed to alter its charter. I think it would be possible for there to be a protectorate with a badly worded charter that allowed any post to Agora's public forum to alter i

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Ambassador] Ambassador's report for July 17, 2007

2007-07-17 Thread Ian Kelly
On 7/17/07, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: root wrote: > TIASCOTC"ISIDTID"FTHPAFAVLT. ^ ? Sorry, I thought everyone would know by now. *ahem* "This is a straightforward case of the common "I say I do, therefore I do" fallacy that has plagued Agora for a very long time." -root

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Ambassador] Ambassador's report for July 17, 2007

2007-07-17 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: On 7/17/07, Peekee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On behalf of Agora I hereby repeal all rules, regulations, terms and any and all other parts of the Primo Coporation and its charter. The Primo Coporation no longer exists. ... As Primo unconditionally allows Agora permission to chang

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Ambassador] Ambassador's report for July 17, 2007

2007-07-17 Thread Ian Kelly
On 7/17/07, Peekee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On behalf of Agora I hereby repeal all rules, regulations, terms and any and all other parts of the Primo Coporation and its charter. The Primo Coporation no longer exists. ... As Primo unconditionally allows Agora permission to change its charter

DIS: Re: OFF: [Ambassador] Ambassador's report for July 17, 2007

2007-07-17 Thread Kerim Aydin
BobTHJ wrote: > An Agoran Proposal has the ability to change any game document > (at present) of which the Primo Corp charter is one. But agreements, as "game documents", have special status. Agoran Rules are a sub-class of agreement, not the other way around. Of particular interest here is R1

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Ambassador] Ambassador's report for July 17, 2007

2007-07-17 Thread Roger Hicks
On 7/17/07, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Saying it doesn't make it so. Primo's charter doesn't define any way to determine that Agora wishes to change the charter, and so can't implement changing the charter at Agora's behest. Of course, Agoran rules can modify the Primo charter by virtue

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Ambassador] Ambassador's report for July 17, 2007

2007-07-17 Thread Zefram
Roger Hicks wrote: >Quoting from Section 1 of the charter: Saying it doesn't make it so. Primo's charter doesn't define any way to determine that Agora wishes to change the charter, and so can't implement changing the charter at Agora's behest. Of course, Agoran rules can modify the Primo charte

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Ambassador] Ambassador's report for July 17, 2007

2007-07-17 Thread Roger Hicks
On 7/17/07, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Roger Hicks wrote: >You will find the correct verbiage in Section #1. However, it doesn't actually specify a mechanism by which Agora can make changes to its ruleset, so I think it's not actually allowing Agora to make changes, the statement in secti

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Ambassador] Ambassador's report for July 17, 2007

2007-07-17 Thread Zefram
Roger Hicks wrote: >You will find the correct verbiage in Section #1. However, it doesn't actually specify a mechanism by which Agora can make changes to its ruleset, so I think it's not actually allowing Agora to make changes, the statement in section 1 notwithstanding. I don't think it ever qua

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Ambassador] Ambassador's report for July 17, 2007

2007-07-17 Thread Roger Hicks
On 7/17/07, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: As required by Rule 2148/0, I have reviewed Primo Corporation and find that it does not currently meet the requirements of a Protectorate, if it ever did so. Specifically, it does not "specify in its ruleset that it submits to Agora as its be

DIS: Re: OFF: [Ambassador] Ambassador's report for July 17, 2007

2007-07-17 Thread Roger Hicks
On 7/17/07, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- LIST OF PROTECTORATES --- None Primo Corp is a protectorate. Also, both B Nomic and Gunner Nomic 2.0 have become and then ceased to be Protectorates in the past month. Bob