Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is curious [Attn. Arbitor, CfJ call]

2020-06-30 Thread Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion
Exactly. But you're not catching the problem here. Sure, 2+2 isn't 5. But if all Agorans are CONVINCED it is so and are NOT AWARE that it is false, then, what happens? A CfJ Judging "is 2+2=5?" or something, barring it being DIMISSed, would be TRUE. Right? That's the question. Agora doesn't run o

DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is curious [Attn. Arbitor, CfJ call]

2020-06-30 Thread Becca Lee via agora-discussion
CFJs 1911 to 1914 are annotated on the FLR as holding "physical realities supersede the rules by default" On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 7:41 PM Cuddle Beam via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I've been wondering about this for a while and I figure it would make an > interesting

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is curious

2018-09-30 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018, Cuddle Beam wrote: > Also, about the scamster thing, I’d prefer not lol, because I’m not proud > of my “scamming” here on Agora. It doesn’t have scamster merit because I do > these things quite blindly - mere potshots in the dark - and I’m really > just persistent, which isn

DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is curious

2018-09-30 Thread Kerim Aydin
That title's generally reserved for *successful* scamsters :D (Seriously, this request will give me an extra kick to submit that patent title proposal, since scamster is one that's being delegated to another office I'd like to wait to give them the chance). On Sun, 30 Sep 2018, Aris Merchant w

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is curious

2018-09-30 Thread Cuddle Beam
Yeah. Like “This contract can never has parties”, but there isn’t a way to know if they’re faking or not. In fact, they could be, but due to this “it only becomes real once they reveal it” thing mentioned, they could keep on violating it unpunished. Loopholes! (I doubt thats their intent but yeah.

DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is curious

2018-09-30 Thread Cuddle Beam
Also, about the scamster thing, I’d prefer not lol, because I’m not proud of my “scamming” here on Agora. It doesn’t have scamster merit because I do these things quite blindly - mere potshots in the dark - and I’m really just persistent, which isnt a show of scamster skill in itself. If I were ac

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is curious

2018-09-30 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Generally I think you're right about "automatic" actions, but changing the list of parties is something R1742/18 specifically says can happen automatically: "A contract may be modified, including by changing the set of parties, by agreement between all existing parties... For the purposes of thi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is curious

2018-09-30 Thread Alex Smith
On Sun, 2018-09-30 at 10:22 +0200, Cuddle Beam wrote: > The contract could say: > > “Nobody can join this contract and all members of it leave it > immediately” or something like that. I'm not sure contracts can take actions "automatically" like that. They might be able to prevent people joining

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is curious

2018-09-30 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
But whether or not they are in a contract has no bearing on anything at all until they decide to do something contingent on its text. Contracts are untracked. -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Sunday, September 30, 2018 8:22 AM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > The contract could say: > > “Nobody

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is curious

2018-09-30 Thread Cuddle Beam
The contract could say: “Nobody can join this contract and all members of it leave it immediately” or something like that. But we don’t know if it has a content like that or not, so how can we know they’re in a contract? It’s not solely “document + consent”. The content of that document is necesa

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is curious

2018-09-30 Thread Aris Merchant
A contract is a document plus consent. -Aris On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 1:18 AM Cuddle Beam wrote: > A document sure, but: > > A *contract*? That’s the issue. > > On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 at 10:17, Aris Merchant < > thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > All they’ve done is agree to abide by

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is curious

2018-09-30 Thread Cuddle Beam
A document sure, but: A *contract*? That’s the issue. On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 at 10:17, Aris Merchant < thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > All they’ve done is agree to abide by a document. That wasn’t hidden. If > they do something based off that, then the probably will need to prove it, >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is curious

2018-09-30 Thread Aris Merchant
All they’ve done is agree to abide by a document. That wasn’t hidden. If they do something based off that, then the probably will need to prove it, at least to the judge. -Aris On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 1:15 AM Cuddle Beam wrote: > About the evidence thing, wouldn’t the hidden-actions that G and

DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is curious

2018-09-30 Thread Cuddle Beam
About the evidence thing, wouldn’t the hidden-actions that G and DMar need evidence as well that they have formally happened? Or, since there is no evidence, just like my own thing, it didn’t actually happen? (Until its shown that it has, in which case reality suddenly changes to it like that news

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is curious

2018-09-30 Thread Alex Smith
On Sun, 2018-09-30 at 08:01 +, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > Looking at CFJ 1215, I believe this fails _even if the contract > allows you to do that_, because I, the relevant recordkeepor, don't > have the necessary information to determine what your action's effect > would be. The recordkeeping

DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is curious

2018-09-30 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Looking at CFJ 1215, I believe this fails _even if the contract allows you to do that_, because I, the relevant recordkeepor, don't have the necessary information to determine what your action's effect would be. That's why I revealed the text of my contract with Aris before using its provision