Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Not All Bad

2009-12-02 Thread Ed Murphy
Taral wrote: > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> Hmmm... history I don't know about in this exact language... what was >> the break between I and II? -G. > > IIRC, and this was before my time, there was a meta-agreement at one > point to restore the game to functioning stat

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Not All Bad

2009-12-02 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: > Geoffrey Spear wrote: >> >> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Kerim Aydin >> wrote: >>> >>> Ultimately, what we're dealing with is, if a person does take an >>> absolute dictatorship, and e makes too many changes, then players who >>> are strongly

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Can we change?

2009-12-02 Thread comex
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Pavitra wrote: > I submit the following proposal, II=1, AI=1, "Library of Senate": > { > Amend Rule 1750 (Read the Ruleset Week) by appending the paragraph: > >      This rule is an Agoran National Treasure. All players SHOULD >      protect it from being amended or

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Not All Bad

2009-12-02 Thread Sean Hunt
Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: Ultimately, what we're dealing with is, if a person does take an absolute dictatorship, and e makes too many changes, then players who are strongly pro-democratic may leave, and having a dictatorship with no players is rat

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Can we change?

2009-12-02 Thread Jonatan Kilhamn
2009/12/2 Pavitra : > comex wrote: >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Dec 2, 2009, at 2:00 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >>> Arguments: >>> >>> If you think it's POSSIBLE, just try to. >>> >>> (In the context of R1698, is the regular democratic defense of R104 >>> the >>> ultimate in nomic-ness or the ul

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Not All Bad

2009-12-02 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Ultimately, what we're dealing with is, if a person does take an > absolute dictatorship, and e makes too many changes, then players who > are strongly pro-democratic may leave, and having a dictatorship > with no players is rather hollow. The

DIS: Re: BUS: Can we change?

2009-12-02 Thread comex
Sent from my iPhone On Dec 2, 2009, at 2:00 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: Arguments: If you think it's POSSIBLE, just try to. (In the context of R1698, is the regular democratic defense of R104 the ultimate in nomic-ness or the ultimate in non-nomic-ness?) If it's IMPOSSIBLE now, surely it wa

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Not All Bad

2009-12-02 Thread comex
I think it's always been explained as an interpretation or clarification (even when, like with the Black Repeals, the interpretation used is very unusual)-- at least, an actual "clean break" would have been documented somewhere. But I wasn't around so what do I know? Sent from my iPhone

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Not All Bad

2009-12-02 Thread Taral
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Hmmm... history I don't know about in this exact language... what was > the break between I and II?  -G. IIRC, and this was before my time, there was a meta-agreement at one point to restore the game to functioning state. That would *technical

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Not All Bad

2009-12-02 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Taral wrote: > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> Ultimately, what we're dealing with is, if a person does take an >> absolute dictatorship, and e makes too many changes, then players who >> are strongly pro-democratic may leave, and having a dictatorship >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Can we change?

2009-12-02 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Sean Hunt wrote: > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> >> I call the following CFJ:  It is POSSIBLE to make a rule change to Rule 104 >> in a four-week period. >> >> Arguments: >> >> If you think it's POSSIBLE, just try to. >> >> (In the context of R1698, is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Not All Bad

2009-12-02 Thread Taral
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Ultimately, what we're dealing with is, if a person does take an > absolute dictatorship, and e makes too many changes, then players who > are strongly pro-democratic may leave, and having a dictatorship > with no players is rather hollow.  So

DIS: Re: BUS: Can we change?

2009-12-02 Thread Sean Hunt
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > I call the following CFJ:  It is POSSIBLE to make a rule change to Rule 104 > in a four-week period. > > Arguments: > > If you think it's POSSIBLE, just try to. > > (In the context of R1698, is the regular democratic defense of R104 the >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Not All Bad

2009-12-02 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 7:34 PM, comex wrote: >> On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 8:19 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: >>> If anyone else wants to be Dealor, go ahead. >> >> A scam like you propose is a serious breach of trust; I for one would >> not worry about keeping an offic

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Not All Bad

2009-12-02 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Aaron Goldfein wrote: > But you have to consider the fact that the scam involves absolutely > destroying Agora. coppro would have to deregister every active player, and, > if e wanted to, could very easily establish a dictatorship and completely > make everything stop, interrup

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Not All Bad

2009-12-02 Thread Ian Kelly
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 7:34 PM, comex wrote: > On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 8:19 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: >> If anyone else wants to be Dealor, go ahead. > > A scam like you propose is a serious breach of trust; I for one would > not worry about keeping an office but focus on not being exiled. Forging ema

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Not All Bad

2009-12-02 Thread Aaron Goldfein
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On Tue, 1 Dec 2009, Sean Hunt wrote: > > > > If anyone else wants to be Dealor, go ahead. > > It's better to have a vacant office than an untrustworthy holder. In > any case, you didn't do the scam, but merely pointing out the scam and >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Not All Bad

2009-12-02 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, ais523 wrote: > On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 09:33 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> On Tue, 1 Dec 2009, Sean Hunt wrote: >>> >>> If anyone else wants to be Dealor, go ahead. >> >> It's better to have a vacant office than an untrustworthy holder. In >> any case, you didn't do the scam, bu

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Not All Bad

2009-12-02 Thread ais523
On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 09:33 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Tue, 1 Dec 2009, Sean Hunt wrote: > > > > If anyone else wants to be Dealor, go ahead. > > It's better to have a vacant office than an untrustworthy holder. In > any case, you didn't do the scam, but merely pointing out the scam and >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Not All Bad

2009-12-02 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 1 Dec 2009, Sean Hunt wrote: > > If anyone else wants to be Dealor, go ahead. It's better to have a vacant office than an untrustworthy holder. In any case, you didn't do the scam, but merely pointing out the scam and saying "look what I could have done, aren't I a good guy for not doin