Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judicial counter-scamming

2009-09-17 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 17 Sep 2009, Pavitra wrote: > Kerim Aydin wrote: >> It's not R1728 intent unless you specify the "method and value for N" >> for each method. If you do state Method and N, however, you've begun a >> legal process called a "dependent action". You've become an initiator. >> It is a multipa

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judicial counter-scamming

2009-09-17 Thread Pavitra
Kerim Aydin wrote: > It's not R1728 intent unless you specify the "method and value for N" > for each method. If you do state Method and N, however, you've begun a > legal process called a "dependent action". You've become an initiator. > It is a multipart action, but starting the process and ta

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6495-6501

2009-09-17 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:23 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: > Wooble wrote: > >>> 6497 O 0 1.0 BobTHJ              Advertising Anarchy >> AGAINST * 2 > > Your VLOP is 1 due to coppro's recent Win by Clout. I'm pretty sure I still have an extra vote as Chief Whip.

DIS: Re: BUS: Using a word confusion for the heck of it

2009-09-17 Thread comex
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:34 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > If I am a player, I deregister.  (was not planning on playing until after > my vacation next week at the earliest, and ais523's mousetrap is making > me nervous). Come back soon! I'm no good as an anti-scamster. -- -c.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6495-6501

2009-09-17 Thread Ed Murphy
c-walker wrote: >> 6495 D 1 3.0 coppro FIXME > AGAINST These are all ineffective, you were still inactive at the start of the voting period.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6495-6501

2009-09-17 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: >> 6497 O 0 1.0 BobTHJ Advertising Anarchy > AGAINST * 2 Your VLOP is 1 due to coppro's recent Win by Clout.

DIS: Re: BUS: Judicial counter-scamming

2009-09-17 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 17 Sep 2009, ais523 wrote: > (For instance, suppose > I had, instead, said "I think that 4 days from now it might be a good > idea to amend the Cookie Jar into a mousetrap"; would that be intent? > Pretty much any sane Agoran would say no, thus showing that a statement > of intent (in the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2677 assigned to Pavitra

2009-09-17 Thread Sean Hunt
Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: 2009/9/17 Jonatan Kilhamn : Erm, my report doesn't say anything about that directly, it only says which government cards were destroyed. However, I thought I was clear enough in my response to the d...@nomic roll. Here it is again: Committee, 3 Roll Call, 2 Distrib-u-Mati

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judicial counter-scamming

2009-09-17 Thread Ed Murphy
Pavitra wrote: > I vaguely remember a CFJ semi-recently about publishing NoVs, and > whether someone was naturally capable of publishing an NoV since it was > just a block of text and people can publish things, or if an otherwise > unremarkable block of text was infused with the NoV-nature by the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judicial counter-scamming

2009-09-17 Thread comex
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 5:35 PM, ais523 wrote: > (An even more > surprising example: suppose we abolished the proposal system and instead > had a "change the rules via Agoran Consent" rule. Oops, rule 1698 stops > this; intent isn't an action, so there's no combination of /actions/ > that can chan

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judicial counter-scamming

2009-09-17 Thread Pavitra
ais523 wrote: > Support is defined in much the same terms as intent by the rules; and it > at least is clearly an announcement, due to the MMI terms used to > describe it (a rule saying that something CANNOT be done under certain > circumstances implies that that thing is an action due to the > def

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2677 assigned to Pavitra

2009-09-17 Thread Jonatan Kilhamn
2009/9/17 Jonatan Kilhamn : > Erm, my report doesn't say anything about that directly, it only says > which government cards were destroyed. However, I thought I was clear > enough in my response to the d...@nomic roll. Here it is again: > > Committee, 3 Roll Call, 2 Distrib-u-Matic, Debate-o-matic

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2677 assigned to Pavitra

2009-09-17 Thread Jonatan Kilhamn
2009/9/17 Sean Hunt : > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Roger Hicks wrote: >> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 17:50, Pavitra wrote: ===  CFJ 2677 (Interest Index = 2)       The cards named in the above message were destroyed due to     C-walker's s

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2677 assigned to Pavitra

2009-09-17 Thread Sean Hunt
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Roger Hicks wrote: > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 17:50, Pavitra wrote: >>> ===  CFJ 2677 (Interest Index = 2)   >>> >>>     The cards named in the above message were destroyed due to >>>     C-walker's self-auditing. >>> >>> ===

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2683 assigned to Wooble

2009-09-17 Thread Sean Hunt
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Pavitra wrote: > Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: >> 2009/9/17 Geoffrey Spear : >>> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 3:43 AM, Ed Murphy wrote: Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2683 = �Criminal Case 2683 �==

DIS: Re: BUS: Judicial counter-scamming

2009-09-17 Thread Pavitra
ais523 wrote: > Further arguments: > {{{ > A person SHALL NOT make a public statement on a matter relevant > to the rules unless e reasonably believes that it is true (or, > in the case of a public statement that one performs an action, > that is effective). > }}} > Even if

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judicial counter-scamming

2009-09-17 Thread ais523
On Thu, 2009-09-17 at 22:33 +0200, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: > 2009/9/17 comex : > > I initiate an equity case with respect to the Cookie Jar.* > >(...) > > *Parties: Murphy, Billy Pilgrim, coppro, Tiger, OscarMeyr, ehird, > > ais523, Quazie, Human Point Two, Yally, BobTHJ, allispaul, comex, > > Woobl

DIS: Re: BUS: Judicial counter-scamming

2009-09-17 Thread Pavitra
ais523 wrote: > rule 1728 makes it clear that it's effectively redefining what intent is > in Agoran terms, from the plain English example. No it doesn't. It says "announced intent", i.e., to publish a statement that one intends something. It's a very different construction than defining an action

DIS: Re: BUS: Judicial counter-scamming

2009-09-17 Thread Jonatan Kilhamn
2009/9/17 comex : > I initiate an equity case with respect to the Cookie Jar.* >(...) > *Parties: Murphy, Billy Pilgrim, coppro, Tiger, OscarMeyr, ehird, > ais523, Quazie, Human Point Two, Yally, BobTHJ, allispaul, comex, > Wooble, c-walker > I left the Cookie Jar as a response to the intended scam

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: BAK: Yay for dependent action scams

2009-09-17 Thread Pavitra
Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: > For each of those intents (for each of those contracts) I object. > I deposit all my crops and WRV. I IBA-withdraw three Distrib-u-matic, > two Committee and as many Kill Bill as I can afford. > For each public contract that I am a party to, I leave it. The Distrib-u-Matic

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: BAK: Yay for dependent action scams

2009-09-17 Thread Jonatan Kilhamn
2009/9/15 Jonatan Kilhamn : > For each of those intents (for each of those contracts) I object. > I deposit all my crops and WRV. I IBA-withdraw three Distrib-u-matic, > two Committee and as many Kill Bill as I can afford. > For each public contract that I am a party to, I leave it. > I'd be gratef

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2677 assigned to Pavitra

2009-09-17 Thread Charles Walker
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Roger Hicks wrote: > Based on this judgment I deny all CoEs against the most recently > published Insulator's Justice report and Anarchist's Change report. > Both reports were completely accurate. Furthermore I argue for NOT > GUILTY in related criminal CFJs brough

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Election

2009-09-17 Thread comex
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Taral wrote: > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 7:39 AM, Roger Hicks wrote: >> Since nobody responded to this inquiry I'll treat this message as if >> it was processed on Sept 15, 00:59 UTC (this seems to be when it >> finally cleared the list). > > Very Old Precedents say

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Election

2009-09-17 Thread Taral
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 7:39 AM, Roger Hicks wrote: > Since nobody responded to this inquiry I'll treat this message as if > it was processed on Sept 15, 00:59 UTC (this seems to be when it > finally cleared the list). Very Old Precedents say that the effective date is 2009/09/13 01:58 (TDOC). -

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2686-87 assigned to Wooble

2009-09-17 Thread ais523
On Thu, 2009-09-17 at 12:58 -0500, Pavitra wrote: > ais523 wrote: > > The contestmaster of a contest CAN and SHALL award and revoke > > points as directed by that contract up so long as the total > > number of points awarded or revoked on any axis in any week > > "up so long"? >

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2686-87 assigned to Wooble

2009-09-17 Thread Pavitra
ais523 wrote: > The contestmaster of a contest CAN and SHALL award and revoke > points as directed by that contract up so long as the total > number of points awarded or revoked on any axis in any week "up so long"? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2683 assigned to Wooble

2009-09-17 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 07:06, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 3:43 AM, Ed Murphy wrote: >> Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2683 >> >> =  Criminal Case 2683  = >> >>    Murphy violated R208, a 3-power Rule,

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2686-87 assigned to Wooble

2009-09-17 Thread comex
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 9:48 AM, ais523 wrote: > [[Re-adds a weekly time period to the rule; it was accidentally removed > by proposal 6369.]] Murphy already submitted such a proposal. -- -c.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: BAK: OFF: [Insulator] Deck of Justice Report

2009-09-17 Thread ais523
On Thu, 2009-09-17 at 08:43 -0600, Roger Hicks wrote: > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 18:33, Sean Hunt wrote: > > Roger Hicks wrote: > >> ais523 > >>Absolv-o-Matic x4 > >>Drop Your Weapon x2 > >>Stool Pidgeon > >> > >> Lost & Found > >>Dunce Cap > > > > CoE to prevent self-ratification:

DIS: Re: BUS: Election

2009-09-17 Thread Roger Hicks
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 11:57, Roger Hicks wrote: > On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 19:58, Sean Hunt wrote: >> I withdraw 2 * No Confidence for 110zm. >> I play No Confidence, specifying the IADoP. >> Since it's gone longest without an election, I initiate an election for >> Insulator. >> > For recordkee

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2688 assigned to BobTHJ

2009-09-17 Thread Roger Hicks
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 17:37, Ed Murphy wrote: > woggle wrote: > >> On 9/16/09 12:08 AM, Ed Murphy wrote: >>> Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2688 >>> >>> =  Criminal Case 2688  = >>> >>>     ais523 violated the Power-1 rul