Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Proposal

2008-02-08 Thread Ed Murphy
pikhq wrote: > I do all my text editing by controlling butterflies, thereby affecting > the weather enough to flip bits on my hard drive. > > Idea courtesy of Randall Munroe. Real programmers set the universal constants at the start such that the universe evolves to contain the disk with the dat

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Proposal

2008-02-08 Thread Josiah Worcester
On 20:00 Fri 08 Feb , Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Fri, 8 Feb 2008, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > > >>> This message brought to you by GNU Emacs. > >> > >> http://www.notepad.org/ > >> > > Bah, any editor that can't psychoanalyze a pinhead is completely > > unusable for any purpose. > > http://ars.us

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Proposal

2008-02-08 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 8 Feb 2008, Geoffrey Spear wrote: >>> This message brought to you by GNU Emacs. >> >> http://www.notepad.org/ >> > Bah, any editor that can't psychoanalyze a pinhead is completely > unusable for any purpose. http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20080206

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Proposal

2008-02-08 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Feb 8, 2008 7:33 PM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Feb 8, 2008 5:05 PM, Josiah Worcester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > You are *insane*. > > > > This message brought to you by GNU Emacs. > > > > http://www.notepad.org/ > Bah, any editor that can't psychoanalyze a pinhead is c

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Proposal

2008-02-08 Thread Roger Hicks
On Feb 8, 2008 5:05 PM, Josiah Worcester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You are *insane*. > > This message brought to you by GNU Emacs. > http://www.notepad.org/

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Proposal

2008-02-08 Thread Josiah Worcester
On 17:01 Fri 08 Feb , Roger Hicks wrote: > On Feb 8, 2008 3:08 PM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Feb 8, 2008 5:04 PM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Ah, yes. The strange ruleset formatting. I typically write my > > > proposals either in gmail (text-only) or notepad. > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Proposal

2008-02-08 Thread Roger Hicks
On Feb 8, 2008 3:08 PM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Feb 8, 2008 5:04 PM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ah, yes. The strange ruleset formatting. I typically write my > > proposals either in gmail (text-only) or notepad. > I recommend you get a good Windows editor like notepad+

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Proposal

2008-02-08 Thread comex
On Feb 8, 2008 5:04 PM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ah, yes. The strange ruleset formatting. I typically write my > proposals either in gmail (text-only) or notepad. I recommend you get a good Windows editor like notepad++ or editpad lite or something. (Not a guarantee that those will

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Proposal

2008-02-08 Thread Roger Hicks
On Feb 8, 2008 2:57 PM, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Roger Hicks wrote: > >I didn't modify anything except the text. > > The text is one of the attributes of a proposal that you can't modify > after submission. I suggest that you withdraw your existing proposal > and submit a new one that h

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Proposal

2008-02-08 Thread Roger Hicks
On Feb 8, 2008 2:50 PM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Feb 8, 2008 4:43 PM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Unwrapped? > > Not hard wrapped to 70 characters per line of which 6 at the beginning > are spaces, i.e. > As soon as possible after the beginning of each month the IA

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Proposal

2008-02-08 Thread Zefram
Roger Hicks wrote: >I didn't modify anything except the text. The text is one of the attributes of a proposal that you can't modify after submission. I suggest that you withdraw your existing proposal and submit a new one that has the text that you want. -zefram

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Proposal

2008-02-08 Thread Roger Hicks
On Feb 8, 2008 11:51 AM, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Roger Hicks wrote: > >I revise my proposal titled Ostracism v2 as follows: > > You can't modify any of these attributes of a proposal after submission. > I suggest that you withdraw the existing proposal and submit a new one. > I didn't m

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Proposal

2008-02-08 Thread comex
On Feb 8, 2008 4:43 PM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Unwrapped? Not hard wrapped to 70 characters per line of which 6 at the beginning are spaces, i.e. As soon as possible after the beginning of each month the IADoP SHALL initiate an dependent action to ostracize with a ...

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Proposal

2008-02-08 Thread Roger Hicks
On Feb 8, 2008 11:53 AM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2/8/08, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I revise my proposal titled Ostracism v2 as follows: > > > > unwrapped proposal > > Call me pedantic, but I still dislike unwrapped proposals. A pity, > since I otherwise support this

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Proposal

2008-02-08 Thread Ian Kelly
On Feb 8, 2008 11:53 AM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Call me pedantic, but I still dislike unwrapped proposals. So do I, but I wouldn't base my vote upon that. -root

Re: DIS: Proto: nomic definition

2008-02-08 Thread comex
On 2/8/08, Ben Caplan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Clunky and therefore prone to deliberate misinterpretation (hi comex). /me mumbles something about delibrately ambiguous registration requests.

Re: DIS: Proto: nomic definition

2008-02-08 Thread Zefram
Ben Caplan wrote: >> Be careful about the word "registered". We've seen a recent case claiming >> that it can only refer to playerhood. > >That was in fact what I meant. In that case I suggest that you clarify by expressing it as "protectorate that is also a player". However, I don't think the d

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Proposal

2008-02-08 Thread comex
On 2/8/08, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I revise my proposal titled Ostracism v2 as follows: > > unwrapped proposal Call me pedantic, but I still dislike unwrapped proposals. A pity, since I otherwise support this entirely.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 5418-5422

2008-02-08 Thread comex
On 2/8/08, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does this mean that a single player can indefinitely delay the > ratification of any document without violating rule 2149 simply by > making claims of error that are themselves true statements but that > are completely irrelevant to the documen

Re: DIS: Proto: nomic definition

2008-02-08 Thread Ben Caplan
> > A province is a registered protectorate. > > Be careful about the word "registered". We've seen a recent case claiming > that it can only refer to playerhood. That was in fact what I meant. If a registered partnership's backing document allows self-amendment, it qualifies as a nomic and

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 5418-5422

2008-02-08 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: > Does this mean that a single player can indefinitely delay the > ratification of any document without violating rule 2149 simply by > making claims of error that are themselves true statements but that > are completely irrelevant to the document in question? (e.g., claim of > error

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Proposal

2008-02-08 Thread Kerim Aydin
This seems long and cumbersome, two full decisions. Maybe the initial vote should be Agoran Consent (same 2/3 majority index?). You should also re-write the first decision to be enabling as well as requiring, in other words "if the outcome is APPROVED, the IADoP CAN and SHALL as soon as poss

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 5418-5422

2008-02-08 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Feb 8, 2008 12:04 PM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2/8/08, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I hereby initiate a criminal case, alleging > > that comex violated rule 2149 by claiming in message > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> that proposal > > 5419 passed while not believing that to be true

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Conductor] Lead Sheet

2008-02-08 Thread Zefram
Ed Murphy wrote: >I've just flipped a couple settings that should turn it off. Here's a >sample, copy+pasted from my draft document as usual: That's better. No format= in the Content-Type, and correct alignment in the physical data. -zefram

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 5418-5422

2008-02-08 Thread Ian Kelly
On Feb 8, 2008 10:17 AM, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So your claim of error is that the report of the voting results > erroneously did not report your claim of error, which itself isn't > part of the voting results? > > Does this mean that a single player can indefinitely delay the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 5418-5422

2008-02-08 Thread Ian Kelly
On Feb 8, 2008 10:04 AM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2/8/08, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I hereby initiate a criminal case, alleging > > that comex violated rule 2149 by claiming in message > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> that proposal > > 5419 passed while not believing that to be true

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Conductor] Lead Sheet

2008-02-08 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: > It's not just you. The form of it that you quoted, which matches the > physical layout in Murphy's original message, has all the sharp/flat > headings one column to the right of the proper place. However, Murphy's > message had "; format=flowed" in its Content-Type, and my mail r

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 5418-5422

2008-02-08 Thread comex
On 2/8/08, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I hereby initiate a criminal case, alleging > that comex violated rule 2149 by claiming in message > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> that proposal > 5419 passed while not believing that to be true. I did not claim that the proposal passed; rather, I claimed (corr

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Conductor] Lead Sheet

2008-02-08 Thread Iammars
On Feb 8, 2008 8:49 AM, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Geoffrey Spear wrote: > >Is it just my mail client (viewing in monospaced font), or do the > >flats and sharps not line up correctly with their column headings? > > It's not just you. The form of it that you quoted, which matches the > p

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1903 assigned to Goethe

2008-02-08 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Feb 7, 2008 9:06 PM, Benjamin Schultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I object to the appeal. H. Trial Judge Goethe's reasoning is as > beautiful as a printout of a Whitespace listing. Yes, but he misspelled "disciple", which is certainly grounds for appeal of such a literary judgment. --Wooble

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Conductor] Lead Sheet

2008-02-08 Thread Zefram
Geoffrey Spear wrote: >Is it just my mail client (viewing in monospaced font), or do the >flats and sharps not line up correctly with their column headings? It's not just you. The form of it that you quoted, which matches the physical layout in Murphy's original message, has all the sharp/flat he

DIS: Re: OFF: [Conductor] Lead Sheet

2008-02-08 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Feb 8, 2008 1:52 AM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > C#D# F#G#A# > Player C D E F G A B Total > DbEb GbAbBb > --