Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Ambassador] Ambassador's report for July 17, 2007

2007-07-17 Thread Ian Kelly
On 7/17/07, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: root wrote: > TIASCOTC"ISIDTID"FTHPAFAVLT. ^ ? Sorry, I thought everyone would know by now. *ahem* "This is a straightforward case of the common "I say I do, therefore I do" fallacy that has plagued Agora for a very long time." -root

DIS: BUS: CFJ on Primo protectorateness

2007-07-17 Thread Kerim Aydin
Zefram wrote: > It is, of course, true that because the Primo charter is a binding > agreement governed by Agoran law the rules of Agora could modify it > arbitrarily. I am not finding anything that allows this under the current ruleset, and arguably R101(v) actually prevents it, especially as ag

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Ambassador] Ambassador's report for July 17, 2007

2007-07-17 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: On 7/17/07, Peekee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On behalf of Agora I hereby repeal all rules, regulations, terms and any and all other parts of the Primo Coporation and its charter. The Primo Coporation no longer exists. ... As Primo unconditionally allows Agora permission to chang

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Ambassador] Ambassador's report for July 17, 2007

2007-07-17 Thread Ian Kelly
On 7/17/07, Peekee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On behalf of Agora I hereby repeal all rules, regulations, terms and any and all other parts of the Primo Coporation and its charter. The Primo Coporation no longer exists. ... As Primo unconditionally allows Agora permission to change its charter

DIS: Re: OFF: [Ambassador] Ambassador's report for July 17, 2007

2007-07-17 Thread Kerim Aydin
BobTHJ wrote: > An Agoran Proposal has the ability to change any game document > (at present) of which the Primo Corp charter is one. But agreements, as "game documents", have special status. Agoran Rules are a sub-class of agreement, not the other way around. Of particular interest here is R1

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Ambassador] Ambassador's report for July 17, 2007

2007-07-17 Thread Roger Hicks
On 7/17/07, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Saying it doesn't make it so. Primo's charter doesn't define any way to determine that Agora wishes to change the charter, and so can't implement changing the charter at Agora's behest. Of course, Agoran rules can modify the Primo charter by virtue

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Ambassador] Ambassador's report for July 17, 2007

2007-07-17 Thread Zefram
Roger Hicks wrote: >Quoting from Section 1 of the charter: Saying it doesn't make it so. Primo's charter doesn't define any way to determine that Agora wishes to change the charter, and so can't implement changing the charter at Agora's behest. Of course, Agoran rules can modify the Primo charte

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Ambassador] Ambassador's report for July 17, 2007

2007-07-17 Thread Roger Hicks
On 7/17/07, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Roger Hicks wrote: >You will find the correct verbiage in Section #1. However, it doesn't actually specify a mechanism by which Agora can make changes to its ruleset, so I think it's not actually allowing Agora to make changes, the statement in secti

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Ambassador] Ambassador's report for July 17, 2007

2007-07-17 Thread Zefram
Roger Hicks wrote: >You will find the correct verbiage in Section #1. However, it doesn't actually specify a mechanism by which Agora can make changes to its ruleset, so I think it's not actually allowing Agora to make changes, the statement in section 1 notwithstanding. I don't think it ever qua

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Ambassador] Ambassador's report for July 17, 2007

2007-07-17 Thread Roger Hicks
On 7/17/07, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: As required by Rule 2148/0, I have reviewed Primo Corporation and find that it does not currently meet the requirements of a Protectorate, if it ever did so. Specifically, it does not "specify in its ruleset that it submits to Agora as its be

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: The Republic of Agora

2007-07-17 Thread Ian Kelly
On 7/17/07, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 7/17/07, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The substance is in fact that of proposal 5050, which was voted down. > > F/A was 4/2, and one of those 2 was me. (I think I misunderstood > the proposal's effect at the time.) I was the other

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: The Republic of Agora

2007-07-17 Thread Ian Kelly
On 7/17/07, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The substance is in fact that of proposal 5050, which was voted down. F/A was 4/2, and one of those 2 was me. (I think I misunderstood the proposal's effect at the time.) I was the other vote against, and the only reason I voted against was b

DIS: Re: OFF: [Ambassador] Ambassador's report for July 17, 2007

2007-07-17 Thread Roger Hicks
On 7/17/07, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- LIST OF PROTECTORATES --- None Primo Corp is a protectorate. Also, both B Nomic and Gunner Nomic 2.0 have become and then ceased to be Protectorates in the past month. Bob

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: The Republic of Agora

2007-07-17 Thread Zefram
Peekee wrote: >What about all the devolved governments? They are unicameral, and use geographical constituencies, like the Commons. -zefram

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: The Republic of Agora

2007-07-17 Thread Peekee
Quoting Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Ed Murphy wrote: I considered basing the renaming on Parliament, but I don't know how the houses' votes are weighted; In the House of Commons each member represents a constituency, which has sane geographical boundaries and represents an approximately equal

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: The Republic of Agora

2007-07-17 Thread Zefram
Ed Murphy wrote: >I considered basing the renaming on Parliament, but I don't know >how the houses' votes are weighted; In the House of Commons each member represents a constituency, which has sane geographical boundaries and represents an approximately equal number of people. The constituency bo

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: The Republic of Agora

2007-07-17 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: Mostly just renaming things for flavor, but there is a bit of substance.] I dislike most of the renaming. Meh. I dislike abstract names. (In the first draft of the Card rules, everything operated directly on "pending draws"; it was later amende

DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: The Republic of Agora

2007-07-17 Thread Zefram
Ed Murphy wrote: > Mostly just renaming things for flavor, but there is a >bit of substance.] I dislike most of the renaming. The substance is in fact that of proposal 5050, which was voted down. Please develop some new mechanics if you want to use the population concept. -zefram