Re: [AFMUG] Equipment Ground Wire Sizes

2025-01-07 Thread chuck
Depends on if you are grounding for safety and circuit breaker blowing, like for a receptacle, or grounding for surges etc. They keep trying to convince the world that a small surge suppressor needs a #6 wire, but that is almost impossible. #10 works well for surge suppressors. As far as th

Re: [AFMUG] Equipment Ground Wire Sizes

2025-01-07 Thread Adam Moffett
My belief is the ground block thing is in NEC code for an antenna cable entering the building, and I think it's not required for a low voltage cable (i.e. Doorbell, camera, ethernet, etc). If Starlink uses ethernet to the outdoor unit then it's probably not actually required to have the ground

Re: [AFMUG] Small Outdoor Cabinet

2025-01-07 Thread Jason Wilson
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Re: [AFMUG] Small Outdoor Cabinet

2025-01-07 Thread Ken Hohhof
They exist, I've seen them deployed by other companies, but I don't know where they get them. American Products (amprod.us) makes some small cabinets, but they ain't cheap. They have a "minifort" and I see now they have a "bunker" which is vaguely like what you are looking for but probably way

Re: [AFMUG] Small Outdoor Cabinet

2025-01-07 Thread Adam Moffett
The usual suspects are DDB Unlimited and American Products. There are others as well. They can add slack storage boxes onto the cabinets for sure. They're never cheap. You could build a building for what a cabinet costs. They're really for when you need the small footprint, or for the logist

[AFMUG] Equipment Ground Wire Sizes

2025-01-07 Thread Adam Moffett
I found some code references saying that an equipment ground wire should be either equal in size to the power conductor to the equipment or based on the amperage of the circuit protection device. For example, a device on a 20A breaker would use the larger of 12ga or the size of the power conduc

[AFMUG] Small Outdoor Cabinet

2025-01-07 Thread Mark - Myakka Technologies via AF
I'm looking for a small outdoor cabinet may 19" rack about 10U. Would like something that could work as a Handhole/Cabinet where I can store fiber loop under it. Never had to shop for anything like this. -- Thanks, Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Communications

Re: [AFMUG] Equipment Ground Wire Sizes

2025-01-07 Thread Ken Hohhof
I personally think some people treat R56 as some sort of gospel that it doesn't deserve. The latest edition is dated 2005 but it originally came out in 1987, and while it's used as an industry standard, it was developed by one company (Motorola). Lots of good stuff in it, but do you believe every

Re: [AFMUG] Small Outdoor Cabinet

2025-01-07 Thread Dev
Indeed, it would be nice to have a source for an affordable version of this, or something close that costs less than a used Hyundai. > On Jan 7, 2025, at 8:39 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies via AF > wrote: > > I'm looking for a small outdoor cabinet may 19" rack about 10U. Would like > somet

Re: [AFMUG] Small Outdoor Cabinet

2025-01-07 Thread Carl Peterson
I've used the ODC-100 for this in the past. There are larger versions with more Us too. There is a handhole base you can buy for it to sit on for fiber storage. There is a spec sheet for the handhole on the attached link. CF doesn't make the HH, I think that comes from a company in PA or NY. I

[AFMUG] focus ring

2025-01-07 Thread Ken Hohhof
A field tech replaced a Cambium 450 SM today and said it had a WB "focus ring" on it. I had totally forgotten about those. He dutifully put it on the replacement SM. I thought those were only for FSK radios, or did they supposedly work on subsequent versions like 430 and 450? -- AF mailing

Re: [AFMUG] focus ring

2025-01-07 Thread chuck
They worked on the original radios that had the single rectangular patch antenna. I think they worked on the 450 if it was in the original case. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2025 3:31 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: [AFMUG] focus ring A field tech replaced

Re: [AFMUG] Small Outdoor Cabinet

2025-01-07 Thread Jason McKemie
There used to be a company named Tunnel Mill that made vault / cabinet base combos - the pricing wasn't terrible (as these things go). It looks like they've significantly revamped their product lineup, however. On Tue, Jan 7, 2025 at 11:36 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > I drive past this one all the ti

Re: [AFMUG] Small Outdoor Cabinet

2025-01-07 Thread chuck
The original iteration of GPON would let you feed 32 subs at 12.5 miles. And you still had optical budget, it was a timing limitation. Not sure what the limit is these days. From: Chris Fabien Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2025 2:07 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG

Re: [AFMUG] Small Outdoor Cabinet

2025-01-07 Thread Sam Lambie
What about these guys? I have used a couple for smaller sites. It's quite nice. https://ioiobox.co/ On Tue, Jan 7, 2025 at 2:08 PM Chris Fabien wrote: > Ken, yes this is a key benefit of PON over Coax/DSL based service. However > you do use up some of your optical budget with distance, which may

Re: [AFMUG] Small Outdoor Cabinet

2025-01-07 Thread Chris Fabien
Max range varies by platform, but most will do up to 60km, sometimes your nearest and furthest ONT can't be more than 20km different. On Tue, Jan 7, 2025 at 4:42 PM wrote: > The original iteration of GPON would let you feed 32 subs at 12.5 miles. > And you still had optical budget, it was a timi

Re: [AFMUG] Small Outdoor Cabinet

2025-01-07 Thread Ken Hohhof
Can’t you feed a PON over fiber from 10, 20, 30 miles away if you have the strands? I used to assume it was like phone pedestals and crossboxes, cable TV nodes, or UVerse cabinets that had to be within a block or two of the customer. But it seems like you could find a location for an active el

Re: [AFMUG] Small Outdoor Cabinet

2025-01-07 Thread Chris Fabien
Ken, yes this is a key benefit of PON over Coax/DSL based service. However you do use up some of your optical budget with distance, which may impact how many subscribers you can serve on that PON. So, you have to decide, is it worth it to feed this PON from a hut 20 miles away, if it means I can on

Re: [AFMUG] Equipment Ground Wire Sizes

2025-01-07 Thread Adam Moffett
[X] Looking at the actual text of the code I see why there was some confusion in my Google results. Yeah you size the equipment ground based on the ampacity of the protection device, but if you install larger than necessary power conductors you have to proportionately upsize the ground. I’v