ng. A geotiff file for one
>>>>>>> access point using 2M data at 10km radius is about 18MB. The same
>>>>>>> GeoTIFF
>>>>>>> for 30M data is under 1MB. 30M is 900Meters squared. 2M is 4M squared.
>>>>>>> Roughly 2
squared.
>>>>>> Roughly 225x more datapoints in 2M.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best Regards, Chuck Hogg | *SVP/Director of Acquisitions*
>>>>>> *ALL POINTS* *BROADBAND *| *Live Connected.*
>>>>>> mobile 502.435.6649
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gg | *SVP/Director of Acquisitions*
>>>>> *ALL POINTS* *BROADBAND *| *Live Connected.*
>>>>> mobile 502.435.6649
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 3:45 PM Brian Webster <
>>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 3:45 PM Brian Webster
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I do not know the answer to that but I suspect that they are just
>>>>> using the images from multiple angles.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>> mobile 502.435.6649
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 3:45 PM Brian Webster
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I do not know the answer to that but I suspect that they are
t;> that they collect from multiple angles through an algorithm to guess at the
>>>> obstructions?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/&
t; Brian Webster
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>> www.wirelessmapping.com
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>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
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>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 18, 2019 3:23 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
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ebster
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> www.wirelessmapping.com
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> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 18, 2019 3:23 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] clutter data and drones
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:23 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] clutter data and drones
Good question
On 12/18/2019 3:05 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Does Google actually have LIDAR or are they just running the images that they
collect from multiple angles through an algorithm to guess at the obstructions
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From: "Adam Moffett"
To: af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019 1:53:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] clutter data and drones
Looks like no 3D building/trees in the profile.
On 12/18/2019 1:57 PM, Brian Webster wrote:
Adam,
If you draw a line between the AP and t
[mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019 1:09 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] clutter data and drones
NY State makes E911 address points available online. Imported a subset of
that, turned on the "3D Buildings" layer in Go
th sides.
Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
www.Broadband-Mapping.com <http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com>
*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 17, 2019 4:49 PM
*To:* A
on both sides.
Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
www.Broadband-Mapping.com
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2019 4:49 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] clutter data and drones
Can
a in any RF propagation tool however.
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck Hogg
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 17, 2019 12:46 PM
>
17, 2019 12:46 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] clutter data and drones
I thought I would chime in here a bit. Not disputing Brian or anyone else
here, as many accurate statements have been made.
I've done some LIDAR propagations at 2M vs 30M DEM data. I
that if you put enough
>> sensors out there they might help tune the clutter loss models.
>> https://electrosense.org/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> This is probably way more than you wanted to read about clutter data and
>> RF propagations but hey I am
: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] clutter data and drones
Google maps uses some of the 1M resolution LIDAR data. Check out Austin, TX
(maybe most other metro areas as well?) in google, enable "globe view", and
then turn on 3D. Now use left ctrl and drag with th
ey I am a geek like that.
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *castarritt .
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 05, 2019 4:47 PM
> *To:* A
ly way more than you wanted to read about clutter data and
> RF propagations but hey I am a geek like that.
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
ber 6, 2019 10:52:02 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] clutter data and drones
That is essentially what CN Heat is doing. It is an obstruction. But this
doesn't help with LTE and TVWS where clutter is really not a hard stop.
On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 10:48 AM Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail
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>
>
> This is probably way more than you wanted to read about clutter data and
> RF propagations but hey I am a geek like that.
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mail
afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *castarritt .
*Sent:* Thursday, December 05, 2019 4:47 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] clutter data and drones
Google maps uses some of the 1M resolution LIDAR data. Check out
Austin, TX (maybe most other metro areas as well?) in google, en
ed to go to the area and see what is actually there. We used
> drones to get the accurate height of the trees.
>
> *From:* Brian Webster
> *Sent:* Friday, December 6, 2019 8:06 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] clutter data and drones
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Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] clutter data and drones
Clutter data in the public domain is mostly 30 meter square resolution. Cameron
has talked about a lot of the issues with the data. Radio Mobile (and
TowerCoverage since it runs on that) has the ability to tune the cluster
classifications a bit
I was waiting for Brian to enlighten us.
From: Brian Webster
Sent: Friday, December 6, 2019 8:06 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] clutter data and drones
Clutter data in the public domain is mostly 30 meter square resolution. Cameron
has talked abou
[mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of castarritt .
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2019 4:47 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] clutter data and drones
Google maps uses some of the 1M resolution LIDAR data. Check out Austin, TX
(maybe most other metro areas as well?) in
Google maps uses some of the 1M resolution LIDAR data. Check out Austin,
TX (maybe most other metro areas as well?) in google, enable "globe view",
and then turn on 3D. Now use left ctrl and drag with the mouse to move
your view angle. This is the data cnHeat and the Google CBRS SAS solution
sup
The issue with publicly available clutter data is it seems old, poor
resolution or inaccurate. If heat is using the same data as linkplanner,
its definitely bunk.
On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 3:26 PM Adam Moffett wrote:
> Have you looked at CnHeat?
>
> We're about to do some testing with it here. Th
Have you looked at CnHeat?
We're about to do some testing with it here. They mentioned USGS LIDAR
as one of the data sources. Presumably that's blended with other
imaging somehow.
On 12/5/2019 4:02 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
LIDAR is not clutter specific, it just can't penetrate clutter (it'
LIDAR is not clutter specific, it just can't penetrate clutter (it's light)
so clutter ends up looking like terrain. The benefit is that you get an
elevation, the drawback is that you don't know the type of clutter or how
high it is above the terrain. I suppose if you compare the lidar data
against
Interesting. And unfortunately I don't know any more about LIDAR than a
Google Search does.
On 12/5/2019 11:27 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
Just the SAS administrators will be competitive product. So garbage in
garbage out will really apply. Basic SAS functionality is uniform, but
feature sets wil
Just the SAS administrators will be competitive product. So garbage in
garbage out will really apply. Basic SAS functionality is uniform, but
feature sets will differ. More accurate propagation modeling every night
will be something we benefit from and Im thinking that will be one of the
things th
I think the USGS is making 3D clutter maps with LIDAR. CnHeat is
supposed to use that wherever it's available.
I haven't heard how that relates to the SAS though. Is this something
you learned from the "450 Lady"? Care to share?
On 12/5/2019 10:25 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
first question is
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