Interesting. And unfortunately I don't know any more about LIDAR than a
Google Search does.
On 12/5/2019 11:27 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
Just the SAS administrators will be competitive product. So garbage in
garbage out will really apply. Basic SAS functionality is uniform, but
feature sets will differ. More accurate propagation modeling every
night will be something we benefit from and Im thinking that will be
one of the things they compete against each other with. They didnt say
that specifically, but the second iteration of SAS will be more
bigger, potentially even bigly in its scope. I really thought it was
all going to be modeled after cellco, with a bend toward cellcos
overtaking CBRS with shady handshakes and involuntary roaming
agreements, but it appears winnforum isnt just government lackeys, the
people involved have actually put gear in the air or at least listen
to those that have. I think cantgetright may have been a co-chair of a
committee somewhere
Where would a guy who doesnt know what LIDAR is go to find out more
about that clutter data?
On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 10:12 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com
<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I think the USGS is making 3D clutter maps with LIDAR. CnHeat is
supposed to use that wherever it's available.
I haven't heard how that relates to the SAS though. Is this
something you learned from the "450 Lady"? Care to share?
On 12/5/2019 10:25 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
first question is if a guy collects accurate clutter data, can he
use it in any of the propagation tools we use?
second, and this is where you braniacs come in, what equipment
would it take on a drone to collect this data?
IIRC drone limit without FAA is something like 300 feet. would
that even be tall enough to sweep a wide enough path that it
wouldnt take 300 battery charges to do a square mile?
I envision a course plotted drone trip that will fly over with a
pilot car trailing to maintain the required operator LOS.
If you think about how many miles youve put on verifying link
paths over the years, its not really a prohibitive thing.
CBRS and SAS is whats driving this query, but general propagation
anomalies creates quite a pickle that better accuracy/resolution
clutter accuracy would alleviate.
Please tell me there is already a consortium thats built out a
clutter standard with a clutter submission mechanism, that would
completely tickle me silly.
I also dont know the impact to the propagation back ends as you
increase the resolution of the data. Im assuming the SAS
administrators are running something a little beefier than Radio
Mobile.
I could see this being a lucrative niche market, if there were a
way around the drone operator licensing requirements (though that
cost is pretty minimal). Basically a company builds up a small
fleet of drones, outfitted with the appropriate gear. You create
an account, input your coverage area (or any region) that you
want high resolution data for. they reprogram the course and ship
it to you (after collecting the upfront payment, deposit, and
massive liability release) they provide you with a road course to
drive while the drone does its thing, anticipate points of
retrieval for recharge, etc. when its all done, you stick it in
the box and ship it back. would be cooler if the whole thing was
transported back and forth by amazon drones.
If I had a guarantee that the collected data would be useful to
the company, into radio mobile, link planner, towercoverage, and
SAS administrators, its something i could see a fair price tag of
3-10k on it for our coverage area, and no farmers blasted it out
of the sky.
we use clutter data now thats antiquated so it would come with
the understanding that photosynthesis and bulldozers impact
accuracy from the minute its collected.
maybe this data is already out there and i dont know?
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