nstall" in /sys/src/cmd after you put the
source in there. Maybe there should be a contrib/verify script which
goes through /sys/src and makes sure everything can still build
normally?
John
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ics>
>
> ... and leave you wondering (or not). I won't.
>
Oh, yay, a Xah Lee quote, he's surely a trusted source on all things
Lisp. Didja read his page about hiring a prostitute in Las Vegas? Or
the one about how he lives in a car in the Bay Area because he's too
crazy
I'll look today...
[previous message and grotesque signature snipped]
One challenge with SBCL and some other implementations is that you
need a Common Lisp system already in place to compile them. I looked
into Clisp, which can be compiled with a C compiler, but after
fighting configure for a while
a little capital to start out; wonder if OSU would spin this
out into something similar.
John
--
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ell with NO globbing, just to avoid
another source of worries.
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that it is an unnecessary evil.
--
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e new utilities and shell and leave everything
else as it is. Is it worth the effort? That's a question which
can only be answered by the person who would be doing the work.
--
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original, concatenating, function of
cat with this version? With "my" version I can type `cat -'
or at worst `cat /dev/fd/0' to replicate the behaviour of
"your" version. An idea more along the lines of your others
would be that cat reads a list of files on stdin and
conca
o reply to posts have read them, and
perhaps even attempted to think about them. Some of you may
remember when 9fans used to work like that.
--
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s in current UNIX/p9
seem to cater to simple interactive use at the expense
both of scripts and of more complex interactive use.
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also a problem with identifying non-flag arguments. In
foo -x bar
is bar a non-flag argument or not? You really have to read the
man page of foo to find out whether you are dealing with something
like
foo [-x user ] file ...
or something more like
for [-x] file ...
--
J
didn't always fully
understand what they were doing. There is nothing radical about
suggesting that we try not to repeat their mistakes.
--
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not
going to do this and that I think it would break too many things,
including most of my own shell scripts.
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and will
be arriving at the Atlanta airport at about 14:30 Tuesday. If anyone
is showing up around that time and does not yet have a ride arranged,
I can take a few people; email me off-list. If you have a GPS or a
GPS-capable phone, all the better.
John Floren
--
"Object-oriented design i
on the 20th, I can take 2 people besides maht,
> so let me know.
>
> ron
>
>
To re-iterate my note from the other day: I'll be in around 2:30 PM on
the 20th (Tuesday), so if you're getting in before then and need a
ride, let me know.
John
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Anyone in yet?
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or "tissah-go" for that matter :)
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:27 AM, Eris Discordia
wrote:
>> arabic numeral 9 is very close: ۹
>
> Puny pedantry: that's a(n) Hindi/Indic numeral. 9 is already an "Arabic
> numeral."
>
> If playing on numerals is allowed why shouldn't they call it IXgo or even
> Kyu
first person to wonder when the Go ARM compiler
will be available on Android...
Interesting times indeed.
John
Have any of you run Plan 9 on a Dell Poweredge 1400? I'm looking for a
new cpu/auth/file server for home, and I'm being offered a Poweredge
1400 for the cost of shipping and handling.
John
--
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. I don't even object
> to having cifs as an option. But when did it become popular
> to say that ftp should not be an option for transferring a file?
>
> BLS
>
>
>
The basic little flatbed on the website can scan to FTP. I'm not sure
why the original poster chose to menti
rect and 2; how difficult is it to fix?
I'm really bummed i can't run plan9, as all of my hardware that could support
it died off me.
Thanks
John
Sorry, i forgot to add i used the pae version of everything, which got me this
far, the normal versions of the xen9 kernel wouldn't boot on amd64
John Soros wrote on Saturday 05 December 2009
> Hello,
> I've come around a nice hardware to do VM stuff on, so i installed a D
kernel on my terminal for the rest of
the summer without trouble; while I didn't notice a blazing speed
increase, it didn't slow me down either.
John
--
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not sure I understand the resistance to having a
find command in plan9.
--
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> I just tested this and it worked fine.
> du -a / | awk '{print "grep something " $2}' |/bin/rc
> ron
Try
touch 'x;reboot'
and then see if it still works fine. I don't think I like your
version on a system with users I don't trust completel
> sneaky. but it won't work.
>
> ; touch 'x;reboot'
> ; du -a .
> 0 './x;reboot'
> 0 .
>
> - erik
It worked under 9vx on my Mac. I didn't test on real hardware.
--
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Trinity College Dublin
tel +353 1 896 1983
fax +353 1 896 2282
> this rebooted your 9vx? sounds wrong to me.
It did, or rather it tried to. Of course, /bin/reboot doesn't
work in 9vx. I tested it before I posted.
--
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School of Mathematics
Trinity College Dublin
tel +353 1 896 1983
fax +353 1 896 2282
e
days all the servers run FreeBSD. Although I like plan9, I don't
think it's likely to get installed on those servers any time soon.
> ron
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> > And if you like find, write and put it in contrib.
>
> contrib/pull quanstro/find
>
> - erik
Thanks
--
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School of Mathematics
Trinity College Dublin
tel +353 1 896 1983
fax +353 1 896 2282
at the labs.
In the end, of course, it's not my call what goes in the base
system. I can just express an opinion.
--
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School of Mathematics
Trinity College Dublin
tel +353 1 896 1983
fax +353 1 896 2282
made
for that reason, but it's something to consider.
--
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School of Mathematics
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tel +353 1 896 1983
fax +353 1 896 2282
> By the end of May, all the root servers should be running DNSSEC
>
> http://royal.pingdom.com/2010/01/19/the-internet-is-about-to-get-a-lot-safer/
>
> Is Plan9 ready for such a move?
Reading what D. J. Bernstein has to say about DNSSEC is always fun.
See e.g. this paper http://cr.yp.to/talks/200
to find my command again
so I can fix it).
John
--
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Plan 9
> was fully blessed by one of our advisors. As we grow we will continue
> to do a lot to help the Plan 9 community, not to mention revolutionize
> storage area networking.
That's certainly good news.
--
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fax +353 1 896 2282
> against far-away sources.
>
> ron
>
Definitely worth a shot. The speed is fantastic and the UI
is just simple enough to be nice. Maybe a search function
comes next?
John
ely at the Wiki, maybe creating some pages there and linking
them all from a "For New Users" page.
John
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Purple_Q wrote:
> Greets all. I'll cut straight to the chase for those who don't like
> reading long posts, else please bare with m
heir newbie resources; if instead Purple_Q
creates a "Newbie Resources" page on the wiki, everybody can link in
their own stuff as well.
I definitely like the idea of having more resources for new users, and
if Purple_Q is willing to put in the time, that's excellent.
John
--
"Object-oriented design is the roman numerals of computing" -- Rob Pike
ed which is not well documented, he makes notes
and then describes how he did things and posts it.
It would be nice to have something like that for plan9.
--
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Trinity College Dublin
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ader explicitly where to
find the root partition. Then you can boot, at least into single
user mode, and change your /etc/fstab to match the new drive
numbering. Exactly where in the boot sequence is FreeBSD freezing?
--
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Trinity College Dublin
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fax +353 1 896 2282
I'm using 9vx without problems on Snow Leopard. I never tried compiling.
I just copied over the binary when I upgraded from Leopard.
--
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Trinity College Dublin
tel +353 1 896 1983
fax +353 1 896 2282
pecially because you don't need a
Facebook account to view pictures hosted by Facebook. It is possible
to right-click on the desired picture, copy the image URL to the
clipboard, and then share that with anyone, no need for a Facebook
account.
John
--
"Object-oriented design is the roman numerals of computing" -- Rob Pike
ng a "category" file in the
package? I'm reading "grouping" as the kind of divisions you get in
Ports, i.e. net, editor, util, language, etc.
John
--
"Object-oriented design is the roman numerals of computing" -- Rob Pike
for the 9phone.
At 32 MB of RAM, it's basically the very lower limit of what we could
use for a terminal. Does it have a touchscreen? I didn't see that
listed.
John
--
"Object-oriented design is the roman numerals of computing" -- Rob Pike
there's a lot of very cheap Android devices coming from China in
the near future, so we may be in luck there.
John
--
"Object-oriented design is the roman numerals of computing" -- Rob Pike
cell radio + battery, I think life would be nice. The
OpenMoko platform is quite cheap, but I don't know that there's much
future there; I can't find the reference now, but I'm pretty sure I
read somewhere on the site that they do not plan to design any more
hardware.
John
--
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On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 3:57 PM, Axel Belinfante
wrote:
> On Mar 17, 2010, at 20:13 , John Floren wrote:
>
> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Jack Johnson wrote:
>
> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 5:57 AM, Stuart Morrow
>
> wrote:
>
> However, there is one "smart"
does
> not seem to handle virtual screens.
>
> Thank you in advance,
> Lorenzo.
Hide the window, change to the workspace you want, then un-hide it.
John
--
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or an entire
Plan 9 compatible machine, or see if anybody else is still using
component X.
John
k.
However since the Atom doesn't support ECC RAM (for that matter
neither does the mighty Core i7) I'm somewhat cautious about trusting
it as an always on file server without additional checksums in
software. Pretty much all AMD chips support ECC RAM, although of
course mobo/BIOS support is a different matter.
John
it
would act today.
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I have not
explored yet are 1) running a local build and binding $home from the vps
or using the vps as a cpu server.
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On Fri, 30 Sep 2016, Chris McGee wrote:
It would be interesting to hear how this works out in practice. The bandwidth
requirement is proba
urces with p9p:
$ 9fs sources
$ 9 mount `namespace`/sources /tmp/sources
then ls in a directory in /tmp/sources works, but when i try to copy, attached
is the output.
I'm open to testing whatever fixes you might suggest.
regs
John
On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 04:40:27 +0900
sqweek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
When I used my plan9 server as dns server, it was also my dhcp server, which is
quite handy. it communicates some info to the dhcp clents, for example the
default search domain, which, in my understanding does just what you want. It
firsq querys the dns server for the domain, then tries to prefi
Ah great!
add one to lunix quirks, shouldn't it be the system that resolves names? This
is pretty weird :-)
Cheers!
Johnny
On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 09:21:41 +0100
Matthias Teege <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > When I used my plan9 server as dns server, it was also my dhcp server,
> > which is quite h
standard output, followed by newline. If -n
> is given, no new line is added.
> BUGS
> To print -n and a newline, use
> echo -n '
> '
>
A substandard re-writing of the existing echo(1) man page is your ultimate echo?
Also,
echo
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 12:17 PM, Russ Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > by the way you can give it negative integers
>
> "By Unix admins, for Unix admins."
> In the grand tradition of Unix tools doing exactly what you tell them:
>
> http://www.ugu.com/sui/ugu/show?I=ugu.hotnot&HN=1113&RT=11e100
of thing. They don't
care about word processors, spreadsheets, web browsers, any of the
stuff Joe Windowsuser will bitch about; what they really want is fast
execution of parallel programs... and probably FORTRAN 77.
John
--
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
der to find. If you need a 5501 you might
want to wait for the next BIOS upgrade.
--
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School of Mathematics
Trinity College Dublin
tel +353 1 896 1983
fax +353 1 896 2282
> > read the section of the rfc i mentioned earlier. it probably ought to
> > probe
> > only after a retransmission timeout period
>
> i believe bsd-based tcp stacks also send 1-byte zero-window probes
> but use a persist timer that starts at approx. 5 seconds (*)
That's the behaviour that'
one together for me, or (better still)
2) Explain to me the format of the file.
Also, are there any other plan 9 users in Saudi? :)
Thanks,
John Waters, no relation to the director.
gt; AST 10800 AST 10800
>
> should do. (C.f. Arizona.)
>
>
> --- Den mån 2008-04-21 skrev John Waters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > Från: John Waters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Ämne: [9fans] Timezone file for Riyadh, KSA
> > Till: 9fans@9fans.net
>
I always thought that rio would look spectacular on an Apollo DN3500...
On 4/23/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Feb 24, 7:47 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Come on, folks, PPC Apple was around for how many years, and the
> > only port effort I know of was a university proj
#x27;s a double-edged
sword and on balance it's still a big plus.
John
> I first saw it in a language in 1978 called Offal, by Aron Insinga.
Well with a name like Offal at least he wasn't setting expectations too high...
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:54 PM, ron minnich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:41 PM, John Barham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I first saw it in a language in 1978 called Offal, by Aron Insinga.
> >
> > Well with a name like Offal at
rect access to registers.
Anathema to the Plan 9 philosophy I suppose but given that clock
speeds seem to have hit a wall it's one way to wring out more speed.
To be fair he seems to intend it to be used only for number crunching
inner loops rather than as a general purpose language.
John
ate worse
assembly in this (common) case.
> Finally, there will be two modes: hosted and standalone. The
> standalone keyword changes this. Hosted mode can access print to
> stdout and stderr, read from stdin, new, renew (like realloc), delete,
> and a string type.
I don
Just out of curiosity, why did alef die, or are some of you
still using it?
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t is very helpful to know.
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ch
> parses C and spits out somthing like this:
>
> func#a|int a#b|char *b
> syspipe#fd|int fd[2]
> sysnotify#func|void (*func)(void*, char*)
>
> I understand knowledge of types is harder but if I use just basic types
> this sounds doable to me. Before I writ
till using
systems built on Mahmoud's vmware image (for which I am indeed
grateful).
I would very much like to do clean installs on vmware, especially
since I am evangelizing plan9 as much as possible here in Saudi and
using it to teach my trainees about operating systems.
John
On Tue, Jun 10,
get address for udp!127.0.0.1!2049
$ vmount localhost /mnt/dump
mount: mount to NFS server 'localhost' failed: RPC Error: Program unavailable.
If anyone has had more luck with this, a little help would be greatly
appreciated!
Thanks
John
I would like to see a plain white and otherwise unadorned T-shirt with
the upper-left corner of an Acme window on the front. I often describe
Plan9 (and its fuzzy little mascot) as having an "audi like"
aesthetic. While I admit that the painting is cute I prefer the
original in soft pencil on paper
What can we expect an OctoVX32 distribution? ;)
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 9:57 AM, Francisco J Ballesteros <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Octopus sessions persist by definition as long as you do not
> reboot your central PC. All other machines are used to run viewers, but
> the layout is preserved by
the time I had to install and administer systems
myself I already knew a lot. With plan9 you have to learn to be a
user and administrator at the same time. That's one reason I would be
very reluctant to recommend trying plan9 to most people I know. I'm
afraid there's not muc
hey've thought up
>
> If Plan 9 is really an OS only for people of types (5) and (6), and some of
> (2), well then my statement is true that "Plan 9 is a 'niche' OS." No one
> should wonder why it isn't more widely used or even remembered in less
> &
Not to mention quoting ESR is not going to win you any friends
anywhere, except for ESR's house...
jcw
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 11:01 PM, ron minnich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> well, Eris, it is quite possible that you're right. It is also
> possible that you never quite got it.
>
> Or both are p
I have always felt guilty about wanting Common LISP on Plan 9; but I
am not entirely sure why.
John
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 4:35 PM, David Leimbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>The question is what new function Plan 9, as an OS, defines for
>> the end user.
>&g
He's clearly some ESR clone that's trying to get his "hip right wing
guy" polemic on.
Move aside, John Malkovich, there's a new a**hole on the map. =)
Its obvious to me now that Linux is a victim of its own popularity
and development model. I have always preferred BSD&
Some time ago I was a pen-tester for a govt contractor.
After a few months into my then new career I found myself constantly
terrified of the state of affairs of our infrastructure.
That was 13 years ago, I honestly hope that things have improved. I
tell myself that they have just to not hole myse
ding on to (even after a kill of the mount)?
Thanks,
John
ently speedy to stifle my desire to build a fast system.
John
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 2:49 PM, erik quanstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> In the Linux world kvlade looks the way to go for performance but it
>> didn't work on AMD64 when I tried it. I guess the Coraid boxes make
Hi Mr Forsyth,
I tried to respond to your directly, but the mail bounced.
Here in Saudi Arabia tinyurl is blocked (by the govt). Is it possible
that you (or someone else) can expand the URL for me and send it to me
off-list?
Thanks
John Waters,
No relation to the director
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008
riel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You could always import /net from a 9grid node in a (more) free
> country ;) (Maybe SA should start filtering 9P connections ;)
>
> Peace
>
> uriel
>
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 2:13 PM, John Waters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
Thanks Russ,
I'll try this once I am out of the office (gmt +3 here, what are you
doing up?? :) ) and write back int the problem persists. The build
that I used is probably 2 weeks old.
John
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Russ Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I think thi
uest ports but this one takes the cake.
>
> oh yeah I have fixed the port with the new bits in memory.c, l.s, etc.
> for handling 8 MB of initial mappings.
>
> ron
>
Thanks,
John
recipe to make 'il.8' in directory /usr/johnny/src/lguest/src/lguest25
So i guess i am doing something wrong?
Thanks
John
On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:16:13 -0700
"ron minnich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> note that you really need to run latest now, e.g. 2.6.25 with the
> newest lguest port.
>
> ron
>
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 7:58 PM, ron minnich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You mean like this?
> Low cost 200MHz ARM single board computer, LAN, USB, UARTs, D-IO, A/D,
> D/A, from $65.
>
>* 200MHz ARM 9 processor 100MHz system bus. 32-64MB SDRAM,4-32MB FLASH
>* 10/100 baseT Ethernet
>*
current
Plan 9 ARM compiler be up to the task?
John
> Is this not the basis of http://openpandora.org 's devices?
The core chips seem to be the same, but otherwise they're separate
projects AFAIK.
Back in the PC world, a motherboard w/ Intel's Atom chip can be had
for $80: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121342.
Amazing h
Small correction, it is actually " ال سلام " , or "As-Salaam" (the L
in AL elides with "shams" letters). It would also be inappropriate for
you to receive such a greeting, which is a du'a reserved for muslims
only. Since you are using the name "Eris, is the name of a "deity", it
is safe to assume y
a" (= "نکره",
> "unknown"). When "Salam" has the definite article "Al" it is considered
> "Ma'rafa" and therefore receives the "damma" but when it is used without
> that article it is "Nakara" and receives the "
method only works for static networking, also you
will need to install the iproute2 utilities. These command also assume the your
net is 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0, change that to whatever suits you.
Cheers,
John
> > better. More I do not recall and the machine is not nearby ...
&g
cpu% mkdir src/port
cpu% rc bin/rc/lguest
cpu% mk 'conf=lguestcpu'
.
8c -FTVw lgkbd.c
../port/portdat.h:536 dat.h:130 lgkbd.c:4 syntax error, last name: Tval
mk: 8c -FTVw lgkbd.c : exit status=rc 887: 8c 889: error
Any help would be appreciated, this timesync problem is causing me qui
ce of itself.
>
> Would it hurt you to run without timesync?
will try, thanks :-)
>
> ++L
>
>
John
Hello.
For one timesync couldn't write to the rtc, so I commented out the lines in
cpurc.
Well, here timesync is not the problem, time is reported incorrectly, and I do
not really know how to set it. I tried echoing unix time into '#r' and
/dev/rtc, with no luck:
$sysname# ls -l /dev/rtc
--rw-rw
Ok, still, it would be great to know how to set the time, as my time is way off
(by more than 4 hours).
Best++
John
On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:44:39 -0700
"ron minnich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:http://www.unixtimestamp.com/
> I just realized that even one timesync is too much. Y
ion on
Linux as well as "fresh" installs from iso images downloaded as
recently as two weeks ago.
I have not seen this problem with VMWare workstation.
1) Has anyone else seen this behavior?
2) Is there any known fix for the problem?
Thanks,
John
Actually I used Plan9 on VMWare workstation for Linux for quite a
while without too many problems. Then again all I was doing was
working though Nemo's book. :)
VMWare Fusion is definitely not yet ready for prime time, I have
noticed some interoperability problems with other Guest OSes (FreeBSD)
a
Hi again, 9fans
On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:28:42 -0500
"Alex Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 1:44 AM, John Soros <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Ok, still, it would be great to know how to set the time, as my time is way
> > off (by mo
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