Re: [9fans] recompiling gs

2009-01-26 Thread john
arm clock... just print out the coutput of "calendar" every morning, maybe along with the latest venti score. I've got about 4 boxes of dot-matrix paper and a bunch of ribbons, why not? John

[9fans] Plan 9 talk/video

2009-01-28 Thread john
gross technical errors, send me an email. Some of the questions caught me off guard so I may not have given perfect answers all the time. John Floren

[9fans] screen "wobble"

2009-01-29 Thread john
-4410=1600x1200 defaultclock=161.00 shb=1664 ehb=1856 ht=2160 vrs=1201 vre=1204 vt=1250 Any ideas what's going wrong here? Oh, and I have an nvidia video card, if that helps. John Floren

Re: [9fans] sed crash

2009-02-05 Thread john
fter mime is done with >> them. i thought that was a bad idea. next we'll >> be replacing :-) (':' '-' ')' for those with impaired >> mail readers) with a jpeg. >> >> - erik >> The PGP doesn't bother me much; at least it's much more informative and useful than "Hey, I know how to use acid to find out where a process is dying!" John

Re: [9fans] reminder: internships in sunny california (but you gotta be

2009-02-12 Thread john
g with Ron is great and Livermore is a really nice place. I strongly recommend applying if you can. John

Re: [9fans] spreding the word

2009-02-23 Thread john
Axel-Tobias Schreiner: Das > Netzbetriebssystem Plan 9. 1999, ISBN 3-446-18881-9. The book is out > of print, but available for free at the print-on-demand service > provider Lulu.com. Yeah, looking at it I was thinking that the only Plan 9 book I know of in German was co-authored by Axel Schreiner, who teaches at my school :) Now if only I could read German... John Floren

Re: [9fans] rio Peculiarities

2009-02-27 Thread john
particularly important, but an interesting case nonetheless, > ak How exactly are you making a window current without bringing it to the top? John

Re: [9fans] threads vs forks

2009-03-04 Thread john
r of the world's two most-used consumer apps, I don't think Intel will bother. Besides that, doing such a thing would involve departing from the hallowed CPU-cache-memory-swap-disk architecture we've held so dear since dinosaurs roamed the earth. Better off to just beef up the caches; there are big benefits and cash prizes to be had from higher L1 hit rates. John Floren

Re: [9fans] vac flattens trees?

2009-03-09 Thread john
clude /fish and >> then exclude /fish/guppie, to get the heirarchy? >> >> i do wish more tools used proto. the format is so nice. > > oh, you already know what i'm going to suggest, so > just get to it! > kenfs? ;) John

Re: [9fans] small node

2009-03-10 Thread john
ertops from China, will we ever *see* them for sale? I searched high and low for a Lemote box, for instance, but couldn't find one. John

Re: [9fans] small node

2009-03-10 Thread john
ctivity (on the far side of an Ethernet chip, > tho', so we don't need yet another driver). > > --nwf; If only they didn't come in that stupid wall-wart form factor... I'd rather something that looked like a laptop power supply. Also, Marvell Ethernet :( John

Re: [9fans] small node

2009-03-10 Thread john
gt;>> >>> I keep thinking these would be more useful if they included HomePlug >>> (ethernet over powerline) connectivity (on the far side of an Ethernet chip, >>> tho', so we don't need yet another driver). >>> >>> --nwf;

Re: [9fans] small node

2009-03-10 Thread john
> if you're worried about ethernet connectivity, beagleboard > is not for you. > > - erik Just noticed that... unpleasant that they would leave out what I consider the most important part of a computer these days. John

Re: [9fans] python csp

2009-03-12 Thread John Barham
> coming up: another port of the 9 code. > maybe i'm hidebound, but i hate to do concurrent > programming without channels! How about using queues (http://docs.python.org/library/queue.html)? I've used them many times for inter-thread communication. John

Re: [9fans] python csp

2009-03-12 Thread John Barham
>> How about using queues (http://docs.python.org/library/queue.html)? > > no alt. Couldn't you implement it approximately using http://docs.python.org/library/queue.html#Queue.Queue.qsize?

Re: [9fans] what features would you like in a shell?

2009-04-02 Thread John Stalker
. Rc improves matters slightly with lists of strings. It's still not enough for me. I make a lot of mistakes in shell programming and strict type checking would catch most of them. I'm not sure I would use a strictly typed shell exclusively, but I would certainly like to have it avai

Re: [9fans] typed sh (was: what features would you like in a shell?)

2009-04-06 Thread John Stalker
ram. If you want to give it some other type then you need at least a casting mechanism. You probably also want a splitting mechanism, with a regular expression for the field separator. -- John Stalker School of Mathematics Trinity College Dublin tel +353 1 896 1983 fax +353 1 896 2282

Re: [9fans] security questions

2009-04-17 Thread John Barham
found it helpful for understanding the Plan 9 kernel since it covers the Inferno device driver model, viz. embedded 9p/Styx servers. It also reviews the Inferno implementation of kfs, which is written in Limbo, but the mental translation to C is easy. John

Re: [9fans] Plan9 - the next 20 years

2009-04-17 Thread John Barham
Steve Simon wrote: > I cannot find the reference (sorry), but I read an interview with Ken > (Thompson) a while ago. > > He was asked what he would change if he where working on plan9 now, > and his reply was somthing like "I would add support for cloud computing". Perhaps you were thinking of his

[9fans] "FAWN: Fast array of wimpy nodes" (was: Plan 9 - the next 20 years)

2009-04-19 Thread John Barham
nk the key to successfully being able to use Plan 9 commercially is to use its unique technical advantages to exploit disruptive economic changes. Economics beats technology every time (e.g., x86/amd64 vs. MIPS/Itanium, Ethernet vs. Infiniband, SATA vs. SCSI) so don't try to fight it. John

Re: [9fans] "FAWN: Fast array of wimpy nodes" (was: Plan 9 - the next 20 years)

2009-04-19 Thread John Barham
al connections but of providing cluster scale storage (i.e., 10's or 100's of TB) where it's fast enough and reliable enough but much cheaper to use commodity 7200 rpm SATA drives in RAID 5 than "server grade" 10k or 15k rpm SCSI or SAS drives. John

Re: [9fans] "FAWN: Fast array of wimpy nodes" (was: Plan 9 - the next 20 years)

2009-04-20 Thread John Barham
> could you explain how raid 5 relates to sata vs sas? > i can't see now it's anything but a non-sequitor. Here is the motivating real-world business case: You are in the movie post-production business and need > 50 TB of online storage at as low a price as possible with good performance and relia

Re: [9fans] missing ed's line numbering in sam -d

2009-04-23 Thread John Stalker
The underlying problem is that sam is simply not line-oriented. If you're doing things with a file which is naturally thought of a series of lines then ed is usually better than sam -d. -- John Stalker School of Mathematics Trinity College Dublin tel +353 1 896 1983 fax +353 1 896 2282

[9fans] Configuring NFS

2009-06-02 Thread John Floren
into NFS because it seems that it has about the lowest barrier to entry of all the possible file-sharing methods. Any other suggestions would be appreciated. John -- "I've tried programming Ruby on Rails, following TechCrunch in my RSS reader, and drinking absinthe. It doesn't work.

Re: [9fans] Configuring NFS

2009-06-02 Thread John Floren
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Roman V. Shaposhnik wrote: > On Tue, 2009-06-02 at 10:30 -0700, John Floren wrote: >> Has anyone here successfully set up nfsserver to share Plan 9 files >> with Unix machines? The examples given in the man pages are rather... >> opaque. All

Re: [9fans] Configuring NFS

2009-06-02 Thread John Floren
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Roman V. Shaposhnik wrote: > On Tue, 2009-06-02 at 11:03 -0700, John Floren wrote: >> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Roman V. Shaposhnik wrote: >> > On Tue, 2009-06-02 at 10:30 -0700, John Floren wrote: >> >> Has anyone here su

Re: [9fans] Configuring NFS

2009-06-02 Thread John Floren
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Eric Van Hensbergen wrote: > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 1:34 PM, John Floren wrote: >> >> I'd like to use the 9p mounting available in Linux, but it doesn't >> seem to work in this case. >> I try "mount -t 9p glenda /m

Re: [9fans] Configuring NFS

2009-06-02 Thread John Floren
nt -o soft,intr eduardo:ivy /n/ivy" > on your unix system. i forget whether the "share" ("ivy") needs to > match the exact string given to -a ("tcp!ivy") or if just the hostname > is okay. > > What exactly is the purpose of the passwd and group files? John -- "I've tried programming Ruby on Rails, following TechCrunch in my RSS reader, and drinking absinthe. It doesn't work. I'm going back to C, Hunter S. Thompson, and cheap whiskey." -- Ted Dziuba

Re: [9fans] Configuring NFS

2009-06-02 Thread John Floren
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Anthony Sorace wrote: > map between the numeric IDs reported by nfs and strings plan9 uses for uids. > > What if I want to just allow anyone to mount the share, from anywhere? John -- "I've tried programming Ruby on Rails, following TechCrun

Re: [9fans] confusing astro output

2009-06-15 Thread John Floren
> > Just a bit of British comedy... I haven't had the opportunity to watch many episodes, but the ones I've seen are quite good. John -- "I've tried programming Ruby on Rails, following TechCrunch in my RSS reader, and drinking absinthe. It doesn't work. I'm going back to C, Hunter S. Thompson, and cheap whiskey." -- Ted Dziuba

[9fans] fossil/venti falling down?

2009-06-18 Thread John Floren
�b�e�k��m�a}�������d����p Any ideas? I thought maybe fossil was choking somewhere, maybe bad info on venti? Thanks John -- "I've tried programming Ruby on Rails, following TechCrunch in my RSS reader, and drinking absinthe. It doesn't wo

Re: [9fans] fossil/venti falling down?

2009-06-18 Thread John Floren
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 9:01 AM, John Floren wrote: > > Our Coraid device recently lost two disks from the RAID5 > configuration; while we were able to rebuild from instructions given > by support, I suspect some small amount of data was corrupted. > > Since rebuilding the dev

Re: [9fans] fossil/venti falling down?

2009-06-18 Thread John Floren
> > is that once, or every time? > > - erik > It seems to only happen once per boot, but not necessarily when fossil starts responding--I've seen it a couple hours after booting, which the filesystem tends to go away at night. John -- "I've tried programming Ruby

Re: [9fans] fossil/venti falling down?

2009-06-18 Thread John Floren
..prompt: sourceRoot: fs->ehi = 5395, b->l = BtDir,3,Copied,e=5394,-1,tag=0x1 venti... halting.../srv/fscons...archive vac:a9d9b0b9fe0db783fe618f680804a18df532a67a I don't remember seeing that "sourceRoot: ..." stuff before; as soon as the system comes back up I guess I'll take a look at source.

Re: [9fans] simple question: multiple rename

2009-06-18 Thread John Floren
in a 9P text string. "The NUL character is illegal in all text strings in 9P, and is therefore excluded from file names, user names, and so on." I'm assuming from this that Thou Shall Not Use NUL In Filenames. John -- "I've tried programming Ruby on Rails, following TechCrunch

Re: [9fans] How to set up network?

2009-06-19 Thread John Floren
do what I need to do with Plan 9--for instance, using Plan 9 to access a serial console is easy, while it's always a huge hassle for me on Linux. It's also good for preparing papers. Plan 9 can do whatever you program it to do. John Floren -- "I've tried programming Ruby on

Re: [9fans] fossil/venti falling down?

2009-06-24 Thread John Floren
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:10 AM, John Floren wrote: > On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 9:45 AM, erik quanstrom wrote: >> >> > It seems to only happen once per boot, but not necessarily when fossil >> > starts responding--I've seen it a couple hours after booting, which

Re: [9fans] fossil/venti falling down?

2009-06-24 Thread John Floren
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 9:01 AM, John Floren wrote: > > Our Coraid device recently lost two disks from the RAID5 > configuration; while we were able to rebuild from instructions given > by support, I suspect some small amount of data was corrupted. > > Since rebuilding the dev

Re: [9fans] fossil/venti falling down?

2009-06-24 Thread John Floren
p 0: tag got 5afe0bcb exp 5a7e0bcb archive(0, 0x30df): cannot find block: block label mismatch In both cases, it seems like a 1000 mask is being applied to a single byte in the "expected" number to get the "got" number. Russ, can you shed some light on this? John -- "I

Re: [9fans] off-topic: "small is beautiful" article

2009-06-25 Thread John Floren
TinyScheme has been in contrib for a long time, but I don't know its limitations or how it would stack up against 'ChibiScheme' John On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 8:53 AM, David Leimbach wrote: > COOL!  So there's a Scheme in the works for Inferno and Plan 9? > Dave > >

Re: [9fans] timesync -r not working?

2009-06-26 Thread John Floren
i wouldn't classify doing what the man page says it does > as something "really strange".  if you want the converse, > then just execute "date -n >/dev/rtc". > > - erik > > I'm pretty sure he's *trying* to get the time from /dev/rtc, not try

Re: [9fans] Guide to using Acme effectively?

2009-07-01 Thread John Floren
dev environment (it's where I write most of my Unix code) and if I ever got motivated enough, it's nice that it has a fully-featured Lisp environment for extending stuff. John -- "I've tried programming Ruby on Rails, following TechCrunch in my RSS reader, and drinking absinthe. It doesn't work. I'm going back to C, Hunter S. Thompson, and cheap whiskey." -- Ted Dziuba

Re: [9fans] Guide to using Acme effectively?

2009-07-01 Thread John Floren
Esc anywhere, and of course the F[1-12] keys are unused, and a proper terminal boots with the Control key to the left of the 'a', so I've got no complaints. John -- "I've tried programming Ruby on Rails, following TechCrunch in my RSS reader, and drinking absinthe. It doesn't work. I'm going back to C, Hunter S. Thompson, and cheap whiskey." -- Ted Dziuba

Re: [9fans] Guide to using Acme effectively?

2009-07-01 Thread John Floren
xt in acme.  esc toggles hold mode in > a 9term window. > > - erik > > *That's* where I'd been using it, I thought for some reason I was oversimplifying when I said I hadn't used Esc. Didn't know about the first trick, but I do use hold mode... usually after

Re: [9fans] Guide to using Acme effectively?

2009-07-01 Thread John Floren
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Rob Pike wrote: > I believe ^H ^W ^U date back at least to TENEX. > > -rob > > I just checked, ^H and ^W were the same in ITS's :EMACS John -- "I've tried programming Ruby on Rails, following TechCrunch in my RSS reader, and drin

Re: [9fans] Guide to using Acme effectively?

2009-07-06 Thread John Floren
ling signalling seems not to require much power as the > tiny com badges feature delay-free communication at least as far as lunar > orbit. Yes I've done this before. :) > > How far off topic are we now? Can we get away with carrying on? :) > I'm willing to invoke

Re: [9fans] Google finally announces their lightweight OS

2009-07-08 Thread John Floren
s too bad nobody else on this planet could conceivably ever write a port. Since you're so hot on the idea, why not port it yourself? I expect to see code immediately, by the way, finished or not, and you better be around to answer my questions. Or are you too busy perfecting your /sys/doc mirror and bitching on irc? John -- "I've tried programming Ruby on Rails, following TechCrunch in my RSS reader, and drinking absinthe. It doesn't work. I'm going back to C, Hunter S. Thompson, and cheap whiskey." -- Ted Dziuba

Re: [9fans] Fonts

2009-07-08 Thread John Floren
mber, only heathens use ` to begin a quote. The enlightened use ' and " for all kinds of single and double quotes, because you can copy/paste them anywhere and everybody sees them properly. Also, few things in the world look worse than seeing a quote done ``like this'' in a mono

Re: [9fans] data analysis on plan9

2009-07-09 Thread John Floren
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Roman V Shaposhnik wrote: > On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 15:56 -0300, Federico G. Benavento wrote: >> > Also, something similar to GSL (http://www.gnu.org/software/gsl/) >> >> gsl-1.6.tbz           GNU Scientific Library, native port. >> >> /n/sources/contrib/pac/sys/src/li

Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-10 Thread John Floren
b page and subscribe to 9fans. John On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 9:30 AM, André Günther wrote: > there's a thing called mailing list archives. > and you know..heh..there's this funny thing..dunno, it's called google or > something. > what you do is: type some words and the

Re: [9fans] 9grid.net down?

2009-07-11 Thread John Floren
It's in mason's contrib directory. grep -i ac97 /n/sources/lsr On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 10:16 PM, wrote: > It seems to drop HTTP links as soon as they are established.  Is there > another location for aki's AC'97 support? > > ++L > > > -- "I've tried programming Ruby on Rails, following TechC

Re: [9fans] ugliness in vesa

2009-07-13 Thread John Floren
only speeds the > write path. > > - erik > > I didn't seem to see any improvement after applying the mtrr patch... did you make any changes to the vganvidia file before compiling? I haven't looked at the 'pat' thing, I'll have to check that out. John --

Re: [9fans] ugliness in vesa

2009-07-14 Thread John Floren
> > it's fun when the explination's longer than the code. > > - erik > > I believe I properly applied the pat patch, but I'm not really seeing any improvement. At least, it still takes fully two seconds to bring one large window in front of another. Did you cha

Re: [9fans] ugliness in vesa

2009-07-14 Thread John Floren
I'm reading it, the change to vganvidia.c you posted above (re-pasted below) does pat stuff. Am I confused? I don't think pat and mtrr are the same thing... nv.dmabase = (void*)vmappat(scr->paddr + scr->storage - 128*1024, 128*1024, PATWT); John -- "I've tried program

Re: [9fans] Why does Acme only show text?

2009-07-15 Thread John Floren
le to run the various scripts I need to connect to the frontend node and launch jobs, then use win to telnet into the individual nodes and run tests. The real advantage comes from the "Local" command and the way windows are managed/output is handled. I'd really like to see acm

Re: [9fans] Why does Acme only show text?

2009-07-15 Thread John Floren
r writing Lisp. Now, if only I could find the correct .emacs invocation to make the tab key insert a tab character in C mode, rather than a bunch of spaces the way His Holy Lunacy RMS desires. If I wanted spaces instead of tabs, I'd type them! John -- "I've tried programming Ruby on Ra

Re: [9fans] Why does Acme only show text?

2009-07-15 Thread John Floren
> probably boot minix on it's own by now). > > *Chad > > In the interests of not slandering Emacs excessively, I'd like to state that I seem to have figured out my .emacs file to a point where hitting a tab inserts a tab. That will be all. John -- "I've

Re: [9fans] git on plan9

2009-07-15 Thread John Floren
destination directory: hg-git requesting all changes adding changesets adding manifests adding file changes transaction abort! rollback completed abort: Invalid argument: /usr/john/lib/hg-git/.hg/store/data John -- "I've tried programming Ruby on Rails, following TechCrunch in my RSS reader, and drinking absinthe. It doesn't work. I'm going back to C, Hunter S. Thompson, and cheap whiskey." -- Ted Dziuba

Re: [9fans] git on plan9

2009-07-16 Thread John Floren
Congratulations! I'm interested in giving it a shot; is it just a tarball to compile, or is it a package for fgb's contrib(1)? I'll throw it on sources for you if you don't have an alternate hosting solution while you wait for your contrib. John On Thu, Jul 16, 200

Re: [9fans] plan9.bell-labs.com down

2009-07-17 Thread John Floren
an" and actually being responsible for the proper maintenance of the system. John -- "I've tried programming Ruby on Rails, following TechCrunch in my RSS reader, and drinking absinthe. It doesn't work. I'm going back to C, Hunter S. Thompson, and cheap whiskey." -- Ted Dziuba

Re: [9fans] plan9.bell-labs.com down

2009-07-17 Thread John Floren
; uriel > I appreciate this. In turn, I must acknowledge the nice work on werc, which I've been meaning to take a shot at when I can get around to installing Pegasus. John -- "I've tried programming Ruby on Rails, following TechCrunch in my RSS reader, and drinking absinthe. It doesn't work. I'm going back to C, Hunter S. Thompson, and cheap whiskey." -- Ted Dziuba

Re: [9fans] About Plan9 on small systems

2009-07-18 Thread John Floren
microcontrollers like the Atmels, you might have better luck with native Inferno--that can run in as little as 1 MB of RAM. John -- "I've tried programming Ruby on Rails, following TechCrunch in my RSS reader, and drinking absinthe. It doesn't work. I'm going back to C, Hunter S. Thompson, and cheap whiskey." -- Ted Dziuba

Re: [9fans] first timer - editing plan9.ini

2009-07-19 Thread John Floren
of the sam window. This should bring up the file. Make your changes, then click in the light blue part of the sam window. Type 'w' and hit enter, then type 'q' and hit enter. This should write and quit. You can basically treat sam like ed with windows, but there are more complex

Re: [9fans] first timer - editing plan9.ini

2009-07-19 Thread John Floren
On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Corey wrote: > On Sunday 19 July 2009 16:02:20 John Floren wrote: >> On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Corey wrote: > >> > Can someone give me just the bare minimal sam command/info that I need >> > to: >> > >> >

Re: [9fans] git on plan9

2009-07-20 Thread John Floren
That should have been a private reply, but I suck at using gmail. John On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 2:39 PM, John Floren wrote: > Hi > Can I get a copy of your code? > > Thanks > > John > > On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 3:46 PM, wrote: >>        Phew finally got it.  There wa

Re: [9fans] git on plan9

2009-07-20 Thread John Floren
Hi Can I get a copy of your code? Thanks John On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 3:46 PM, wrote: >        Phew finally got it.  There was some hackery involved in the hg-git > python code since mmap wasn't supported -- i basically just implemented them > with reads; however I was consider

Re: [9fans] git on plan9

2009-07-20 Thread John Floren
I don't think the porter's contrib has been created yet; I will happily host it on mine in the meantime, or other arrangements could be made. John On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Roman V Shaposhnik wrote: > On Mon, 2009-07-20 at 14:39 -0700, John Floren wrote: >> Hi >>

Re: [9fans] Does "as little software as possible" include a modern

2009-07-23 Thread John Floren
xout'&expr='$xin'&value=1&date_fmt=us&date='$date >> | grep '^[   ]*1 ' >> >> >> > > now if somebody can create a script to lookup words in dictionary.com > preformatted without ads. :) > > -- > http://www.fernski.com > > We already have dict, and that works offline... John -- "I've tried programming Ruby on Rails, following TechCrunch in my RSS reader, and drinking absinthe. It doesn't work. I'm going back to C, Hunter S. Thompson, and cheap whiskey." -- Ted Dziuba

Re: [9fans] plan9port behind corporate firewall with no DNS or port access

2009-07-25 Thread John Floren
vary... but the basic concept is sound and allows you to completely avoid the firewall, assuming you can actually use a remote /net on p9p. If not, well, you should run a real Plan 9 :) John -- "I've tried programming Ruby on Rails, following TechCrunch in my RSS reader, and drinking absinthe. It doesn't work. I'm going back to C, Hunter S. Thompson, and cheap whiskey." -- Ted Dziuba

Re: [9fans] a few more misc. questions if you don't mind

2009-07-25 Thread John Floren
we could continue all day in the "but what if..." vein, in some weird attempt to satisfy whatever particular solution you were hoping for--if we restrict the options enough, then yes, we will get the answer you want. John -- "I've tried programming Ruby on Rails, following TechCrunch in my RSS reader, and drinking absinthe. It doesn't work. I'm going back to C, Hunter S. Thompson, and cheap whiskey." -- Ted Dziuba

Re: [9fans] a few more misc. questions if you don't mind

2009-07-25 Thread John Floren
uot;preconceived answers" stuff, I've just seen so many people with an apparent axe to grind ("For reasons known only to myself, I must prove that Plan 9 is not a viable Windows replacement for Joe Sixpack!") that I was expecting one here. Appy-polly-logies from your humble Na

Re: [9fans] Woes of New Language Support

2009-07-28 Thread John Floren
case-sensitive filename > matching. I don't understand what could be worth the regular irritation > I experience at having to get the case exactly right. > This is not VMS! This is Plan 9. There are rules. John -- "I've tried programming Ruby on Rails, following TechCrunch

[9fans] Unix Weenie Newsreader

2009-07-28 Thread John Floren
roups (not threaded, yet) and post messages (no followups yet), all from the comfort of a program that wouldn't look too out of place in any fashionable UNIX establishment. Screenshots at http://csplan9.rit.edu/users/john/uwn.png The source is available in /n/sources/contrib/john/uwn.tgz John

Re: [9fans] just an idea (Splashtop like)

2009-08-01 Thread John DeGood
a directory tree "\ASUS.SYS" (~500 MB) on any partition with a Windows filesystem. The ASUS BIOS displays a gaudy splashscreen that allows the user to choose Splashtop or the normal OS. Source seems to be here: http://www.splashtop.com/open_source.php John

Re: [9fans] just an idea (Splashtop like)

2009-08-02 Thread John DeGood
876 days. Non-random writes could cause more rapid wear, depending on their pattern and the wear leveling algorithms in the SSD. John

Re: [9fans] just an idea (Splashtop like)

2009-08-03 Thread John DeGood
e usage pattern doesn't tickle some pathological case, then flash wear will probably not be an issue. I look forward to someone like Google or one of the DoE sites deploying large numbers of SSDs and publishing reliability statistics. John

Re: [9fans] An excerpt from Syllable's description

2009-08-03 Thread John Floren
le looks to be POSIX-compliant (I think) which is probably how they have Quake most of the other ported programs. John On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:13 AM, Balwinder S Dheeman wrote: > Computer scientists will tell you that their operating systems and tools > are fine, because they like them to be co

Re: [9fans] Unix Weenie Newsreader

2009-08-05 Thread John Floren
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:19 AM, John Floren wrote: > Ever wish you had more GUI programs on Plan 9 to show off to your > friends? Do you think Mothra represents the very pinnacle of UI > design? Then have I got a program for you... > > I've spent the last day or so whipping

Re: [9fans] a few Q's regarding cpu/auth server

2009-08-05 Thread John Floren
(reputedly one of the most secure OSes, if not the most secure OS, in use today) has a similar option for bypassing the console password on boot, and of course you can always steal the disk and take it elsewhere, mount a new boot tape, etc. John -- "Object-oriented design is the roman numerals of computing" -- Rob Pike

Re: [9fans] a few Q's regarding cpu/auth server

2009-08-06 Thread John Floren
ead attached). I have a Plan 9 server sitting in a lab at my university. Over the last 2+ years, it has been in the same place, powered on, connected to a keyboard, mouse, and monitor. The only deterrent to unauthorized users has been that I keep the monitor off, and in those 2 years I have not foun

Re: [9fans] a few Q's regarding cpu/auth server

2009-08-06 Thread John Floren
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 5:01 PM, John Floren wrote: > > Oh, if we're just protecting against people wandering by who are > obviously there by mistake--since we're discounting anyone coming > prepared for serious maliciousness--how about just not having a > terminal connecte

[9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-06 Thread John Floren
tupid. John -- "Object-oriented design is the roman numerals of computing" -- Rob Pike

Re: [9fans] a few Q's regarding cpu/auth server

2009-08-06 Thread John Floren
e cpu server, but that doesn't happen; the source has a pass function but it's not called anywhere. I don't have a real terminal or cpu server at my apartment, so I can't test it right now. John -- "Object-oriented design is the roman numerals of computing" -- Rob Pike

Re: [9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-07 Thread John Floren
ally want that set unless you're doing archeology. > > I was under the impression that it was a sort of evaluation thing, and then I guess you bought the license which gave you source and other stuff. I'm probably wrong. And yes, I basically am doing archaeology--I don't expe

Re: [9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-07 Thread John Floren
given licensing, I suppose it's out of reach for the time being--anybody with experience in this sort of thing, is there a point in time when it could be distributed freely, or will it be stuck in the "You can't have 2e without a license, and you can't have a license" state forever? John -- "Object-oriented design is the roman numerals of computing" -- Rob Pike

Re: [9fans] yet another installation guide

2009-08-10 Thread John Floren
ni man page will show you how to set timeouts so you can automatically boot into the 9pccpuf kernel, but still have a backup around in case things go pear-shaped. It only costs a couple extra seconds at boot but it can make life so much easier. John -- "Object-oriented design is the roman

[9fans] Plan 9 hg with private repositories

2009-08-11 Thread John Floren
jerq% hg -v clone ssh://h...@bitbucket.org/// running ssh h...@bitbucket.org "hg -R // serve --stdio" abort: no suitable response from remote hg! Has anyone else tried this? John -- "Object-oriented design is the roman numerals of computing" -- Rob Pike

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 hg with private repositories

2009-08-11 Thread John Floren
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 9:37 AM, John Floren wrote: > Hi > > So I'm trying to clone a private repository I just created on > bitbucket. This is what I see: > > jerq% hg clone https://@bitbucket.org/// > destination directory: > http authorization required >

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 hg with private repositories

2009-08-11 Thread John Floren
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Russ Cox wrote: > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 9:37 AM, John Floren wrote: >> Hi >> >> So I'm trying to clone a private repository I just created on >> bitbucket. This is what I see: >> >> jerq% hg clone https://@bitbuck

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 hg with private repositories

2009-08-11 Thread John Floren
I tried re-compiling and starting over, and it seems like somewhere along the way the updating problem went away. I've written up a quick document about how I did things, which can be found at /n/sources/contrib/john/hg-howto.txt. If somebody else can take a look at it, try the procedure, an

Re: [9fans] yet another installation guide

2009-08-11 Thread John Floren
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Corey wrote: > On Monday 10 August 2009 22:37:38 John Floren wrote: >> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 10:34 PM, erik quanstrom > wrote: >> > step 17. >> > it's a good idea to always leave a 9fat menu around on your auth server. >>

Re: [9fans] rio with virtuals

2009-08-12 Thread John Floren
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 3:54 PM, wrote: > I spent a couple hours this afternoon reading rio source and hacking > it to do virtual desktops.  /n/sources/contrib/john/rio-virtual.tgz > contains the files from /sys/src/cmd/rio with my changes made.  At > this time, there is no support fo

Re: [9fans] the old floppy set

2009-08-13 Thread John Floren
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 7:11 AM, michael block wrote: > On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 23:49, John Floren wrote: >> With a little help from FreeDOS, I am now successfully running 2e > > i can't get past the first disk. it seems there is no "suitable" fat > partiti

Re: [9fans] file server?

2009-08-13 Thread John Floren
 one diskless fileserver and an coraid storage appliance. :-) > > shameless, aren't i? > > - erik > > This is what we do at Sandia. We have one machine which serves cpu/auth/file, but the actual Venti disks are in a Coraid connected via GigE. The fossil disk is in the server, b

Re: [9fans] Lua on Plan9

2009-08-14 Thread John Floren
tried "make posix". After lots of complaining about the -O2 option, I see: /usr/john/lua-5.1.4/src/liolib.c:178[stdin:2686] incompatible types: "IND STRUCT _1_" and "INT" for op "AS" I'm going to poke around and look into things, also try compiling with dif

Re: [9fans] Lua on Plan9

2009-08-14 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Josh Wood wrote: > >> Just fetched the tarball for lua-5.1.4, changed the CC=gcc to CC=cc >> and tried "make posix". After lots of complaining about the -O2 >> option, I see: >> >> /usr/john/lua-5.1.4/src/liolib.c:178[std

Re: [9fans] nemo book

2009-08-17 Thread John Floren
n advance! > > -Ben > I've looked at the cost for printing Nemo's book on lulu.com; if you get it in black and white it should be about $25 for one copy. I'd be interested in getting one myself... it's a great reference for Plan 9 programming. John -- "Object-oriented design is the roman numerals of computing" -- Rob Pike

Re: [9fans] nemo book

2009-08-17 Thread John Floren
m_3rd_edition_kernel_source--232471.html > Oh, different book... I was thinking of the 'Introduction to OS Abstractions Using Plan 9" John -- "Object-oriented design is the roman numerals of computing" -- Rob Pike

Re: [9fans] The first annual "Hello, World" challenge

2009-08-18 Thread John Floren
In rc: % window 'echo hello world; sleep 5' It's probably against the spirit, but hey, it fits on a Hollerith card! Technically. In C, the quickest thing I came up with using draw is: #include #include #include void main(void) { initdraw(0, 0, "hello"); string(screen, addpt(P

[9fans] contrib tracker

2009-08-18 Thread John Floren
r the current system should be sufficient to keep an eye on what's new/updated on contrib. I've set up a cron job to update the page daily: http://csplan9.rit.edu/users/john/contrib.html John -- "Object-oriented design is the roman numerals of computing" -- Rob Pike

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