Re: [9fans] What about Haskell? [was: How can I use alef?]

Without starting a flame war, I'd like to know if some of you think it could be useful on a Plan 9 grid/environment. I've often though quite a few languages could be shrunken down fit with Plan9's diretory/files system. Python, for instance, would need much less code for networking etc.

Re: [9fans] web-based plan 9?

Moreover such a dbfs should allow rapid development of views over data (with different permissions) by simply write the query in a file and then open the file for reading the XML. I've tried a couple of times to map files / directories on to SQL and it is not a great match imho. I wrote

Re: [9fans] web-based plan 9?

I split my system into two - one to deal with the SQL and one that makes a FS tree from columnated data. Though I abandoned dev on the tree because I just ended up accessing the data through the Limbo pg module directly. How was the data more outdated than when you used pg directly? I

[9fans] sources web interface has gone screwy

http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/contrib/ sed: Can't open s/PATH/\/n\/sources\/contrib/g; s/CONTRIB/is/g; d-rwxrwxr-x aganti sys 0 May 21 2008 aganti d-rwxrwxr-x alltom sys 0 Feb 20 2008 alltom

Re: [9fans] web-based plan 9?

> You used libpq to write such a PGmodule? No I didn't use libpq, I wrote the client from the protocol spec http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.3/static/protocol.html These are the latest ones online http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/contrib/maht/limbo/module/pg.m http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sour

Re: [9fans] web-based plan 9?

Ok... I read it somewhere in the archives of the list. But I found it a little "inadeguate": me too, for all the reasons you listed, that's why I stopped. I learned the pg protocol and saw it didn't map very well. I couldn't see what one would gain over writing raw SQL to a file. Reading res

Re: [9fans] dbfs and web framework for plan 9

That's exactly what constraints, rules in SQL etc are for. Maybe some similar ruling system for filesystems would be fine :) (any suggestions ?) That's what I was driving at. To map SQL <> FS you end up replicating lots of SQL logic in your client FS. Reads are *always* out of date. Writes

Re: [9fans] strange penguins: talking av-scanner kernel support

linus' speciality is filesystems that says a lot

Re: [9fans] MacOS X drawterm doesn't toggle

I thought we were suppsoed to use Inferno instead of drawterm uriel ? I can't install 9vx because my glibc is too low a version number but drawterm works just fine . also a win 2.7Mdrawterm-linux Why not forget drawterm and use 9vx or inferno instead of wasting more efforts on a dead end

Re: [9fans] cheap, low-resolution terminal

Eris Discordia wrote: What'd you say if you had my keyboard? I'd say "yay, she can't type any more of that goddam shite" j/k :>

Re: [9fans] cheap, low-resolution terminal

Eris Discordia wrote: What'd you say if you had my keyboard? I *and* what would you say if you had mine ? http://www.proweb.co.uk/~matt/maltron.jpg

Re: [9fans] cheap, low-resolution terminal

Anthony Sorace wrote: i'd say "short read reading ", apparently. hmm fixed

Re: [9fans] cheap, low-resolution terminal

Eris Discordia wrote: Late bloomers, eh? I wrote that... lemme see... more than two weeks ago and I get responses now?! By the way, you have an utterly strange, yet totally fascinating, keyboard, matt. Why exactly does it have to be shaped like that? I mean, are you using a Maltron because

[9fans] cd booting into network

Hi, after a while I worked out that I couldn't auth fully from the boot cd because it doesn't have /boot/factotum I chose a pc kernel and made a new bootdisk so, just for the record http://maht0x0r.blogspot.com/2009/01/plan9-boot-cd.html

[9fans] nupas mk install bug

o mailboxes, it does this command 9x4 uid fetch 1:* (uid rfc822.size internaldate) then fails parsing the repsonses of the form * 99 FETCH (UID 32768 INTERNALDATE " 6-Feb-2009 08:52:33 -0500" RFC822.SIZE 74193) That's as far as I got :> Matt

Re: [9fans] nupas mk install bug

of my other ebay notices would trigger it. I big thank you. I'll be using it daily from now on so I'll keep an eye on it. matt term% acid 1508 /proc/1508/text:386 plan 9 executable /sys/lib/acid/port /sys/lib/acid/386 acid: lstk() abort()+0x0 /sys/src/libc/9sys/abort.c:6 _assert(s=0x3

Re: [9fans] Web interface to '/n/sources/contrib' gone??

iirc sources is down because there was some heavy scraping going on that was maxing out the CPU at the labs, see 9fans passim I've found it frustrating, but mostly when trying to show off mad Glenda skillz on reddit / slashdot. The wiki points to a contrib mirror on 9grid.de that goes to a sp

Re: [9fans] Web interface to '/n/sources/contrib' gone??

i may be wrong here but http://9fans.net/archive/2008/10/99 may be suggesting why these problems are occuring. if i'm correct, i feel compeled to say: what's the problem with using old threads that discuss the same issue? iru while culling my last set of links I did notice that I got a few "

[9fans] Venti by another name

I came across this today http://offsystem.sourceforge.net/ It's a P2P system where data blocks are traded not files. A file becomes a set of blocks and if requested, anyone who has the block can supply the data, even if they don't possess the same file. In that way no-one is sharing copyrigh

Re: [9fans] Regarding venti block size

anooop.ano...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All, I want to store some big files on venti. size range around 200MB. Is there any way to do this? This is what I get when I try to store files of size around 300KB : "write: input too big: max block size is 57344" I was wondering may be if increase the

Re: [9fans] Venti by another name

f anyone had done it already. I doubt there's much in it. Matt

[9fans] Android / G1

Anyone got an Android / G1 phone? I'm about to and wondered if there was any feedback, esp. re: Plan 9 ideas? matt

Re: [9fans] Regarding venti block size

This is what I am planning to do. I have a few wheel designs here in my basement too,

Re: [9fans] Regarding venti block size

I don't get why you're dicking around with block sizes but I guess it's just learning :) If these functions don't allow you to create and read/write files in a venti then my current project is screwed - it compiles but I haven't started testing it! venti-file(2) venti-cache(2) vtdial() vtca

Re: [9fans] Despite being called a fork, is 9front similar to how Linux distros work?

@Humm: I understand that Android isn't a fork of Linux, I meant to imply that although Android is argued to be a Linux distro, they have very different environments that can't easily interact with each other. I also know that the meaning of forking is objective, I meant that forking invokes the

Re: [9fans] Despite being called a fork, is 9front similar to how Linux distros work?

But that's why 9front was forked, right? They say it on their FAQ. Even though Plan 9 isn't being developed anymore, doesn't the fork cause worry that one day they become too different, especially since the community is rather centered around Plan 9 rather than 9front? Or is the community active

Re: [9fans] Despite being called a fork, is 9front similar to how Linux distros work?

On Monday, January 17, 2022, at 8:36 PM, Sigrid Solveig Haflínudóttir wrote: > I'm afraid you got it wrong. Community is mostly centered around 9front. One of the reasons is that it actually works and is still being developed and used by many. Plan 9 is dead, 9front lives on. There is also softwar

[9fans] Disks not detected while installing Plan 9 on Dell OptiPlex GX1

Thanks in advance, Matt

[9fans] Installer error (not supposed to happen)

get Plan 9 installed. Thanks! Matt

Re: [9fans] Disks not detected while installing Plan 9 on Dell OptiPlex GX1

you send me (offlist) the output of dmesg after having > booted debian. i don't see any reason your drives shouldn't > be recognized, but i could be missing something. Will do, thanks. Matt

Re: [9fans] Installer error (not supposed to happen)

cted operator/operand" I get the following: failed test args: -f /dev/sd*/9fat failed test args: -f /dev/sd*/fossil* failed test args: -f /dev/sd*/arenas failed test args: -f /dev/sd*/isect I get the same results regardless of which file system types I select. Thanks, Matt

Re: [9fans] Installer error (not supposed to happen)

2651643 Testing manually in a terminal I get the following: % test -f /dev/sdC1/plan9# works, I think % test -f /dev/sd*/plan9* test: unexpected operator/operand: /dev/sdC1/plan9 Hope this helps, Matt

Re: [9fans] Installer error (not supposed to happen)

st/gui or inst/textonly but both give me the "unexpected operator/operand" error I have previously encountered. Thanks, Matt

Re: [9fans] Installer error (not supposed to happen)

ev/sd*/plan9* > on my machine, i cannot get test to complain > regardless of the arguments i give it. Indicentally test gives no errors on another machine which has only one hard drive. The bug must only be a problem where /dev/sd*/plan9* actually matches more than once. Matt -- PO Box 3

Re: [9fans] Installer error (not supposed to happen)

/dev/sd*/plan9* test: unexpected operator/operand: /dev/sdC1/plan9 > on my machine, i cannot get test to complain > regardless of the arguments i give it. Perhaps we have different versions of test? An md5sum of /bin/test gives 8edc427379a1d7414c351d38d217ef17 Matt

Re: [9fans] Installer error (not supposed to happen)

dev/sdC1/plan9 Also: % test -f /dev/sdC0/plan9 # produces no errors % test -f /dev/sdC1/plan9 # produces no errors As soon as I put a wildcard into the test string, e.g., % test -f /dev/sd*/plan9 test: unexpected operator/operand: /dev/sdC1/plan9 Hope this helps - thanks! Matt

Re: [9fans] Installer error (not supposed to happen)

. FWIW, my an md5sum of /bin/test gives 8edc427379a1d7414c351d38d217ef17. Any suggestions or solutions would be greatly appreciated. I'd love to get Plan 9 installed on my computer. Indicentally the same Plan 9 ISO installs just fine on another computer that I have: that computer only has one hard drive. Thanks, Matt

Re: [9fans] Installer error (not supposed to happen)

t; remove one hard drive. add hard drive back after install? Yeah, I was hoping to avoid that. Lazy me not wanting to open the case ;-) Thanks for all your help, Matt

Re: [9fans] Installer error (not supposed to happen)

.. thank you for pointing out the obvious :-) Matt

Re: [9fans] Installer error (not supposed to happen)

ike a charm. Plan 9 only sees the first hard drive when booting but once the kernel is loaded both hard drives are visible and available for use. I didn't actually retry the atom ISO but I imagine that this would fix its problem as well. I thought you might be interested to know this. Matt

[9fans] How long should it take fossil to dump to venti (1st time around)

een on for several hours thus far. I assume that this is fossil being dumped for the first time but I didn't think it would take this long. Is there a way for me to peek at the dump process? I'd like to turn this machine off at some point but don't want to interrupt it. Thanks, Matt

[9fans] Logitech Wireless Optical Trackman

oard. It certainly has *enough* buttons. Thanks, Matt -- PO Box 393 Wabasca, AB T0G 2K0 780-891-3282 mad...@phantomware.ca

Re: [9fans] How long should it take fossil to dump to venti (1st time around)

> It will take a very long time, espicially if your IDE controller is not > known or it is and DMA is known to be problematic. Thanks, Steve. The disks finally quieted down early this afternoon. I just didn't expect it to take that long. Matt

[9fans] aux/vga: nvidia: not enough memory

only asking for 1024x768x16. I then put in an ATI Radeon Rage of some sort and got the exact same error message which I think very odd since it's not an NVidia card. Any idea what's up and what I can try next? Thanks, Matt

Re: [9fans] Coraid funded

To the Coraid team: Congrats on your recent funding - your efforts to improve and enhance Plan 9 are obvious throughout the community. Cheers, Matt

[9fans] Removing pages from the wiki

Folks: I've created a test page on the Plan 9 wiki and now want to get rid of it so it doesn't add to the clutter on the site. I don't see an explicit "remove" feature - does one exist? Thanks, Matt

Re: [9fans] contrib/gui

Nice work, Federico! This is very useful. Thank you.

Re: [9fans] A new language for Plan 9

(key) >> assemble(key) >> >> This is similar to Python, and prevents the nesting ambiguity of C, >> Pascal, and some other languages that use block delimiters. > > don't forget fortran. I try to, oh God how I try to. Then I come back to work

[9fans] USB keyboard error

d support is somewhat spotty). I get the same error regardless of whether USB Emulation is enabled in the BIOS. Thanks in advance, Matt

Re: [9fans] USB keyboard error

t's in > the default. Makes sense. Thanks, Anthony! Matt

Re: [9fans] USB keyboard error

t; however i'm a little confused. do you start rio automaticly > on your cpu server? I only have one Plan 9 installation thus far. It's all sitting on one box. > since it's come up, what's the rationale for making the kbin device > '#Ι' (capitol iota)? since 'Ι' looks just like 'I' with many fonts, i > find it easy to confuse them. Eh? Matt

Re: [9fans] has anyone used xmonad?

On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 4:58 PM, sqweek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 1:43 AM, andrey mirtchovski > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> i stumbled upon this the other day. xmonad is a tiling window manager >> written in haskell that looks similar to acme, although it can be >> compl

Re: [9fans] Very Off-Topic: Anybody here reads Sci-Fi? :)

Personally, I'm a big fan of Heinlein and would like to recommend the following of his works: Starship Troopers (my favourite book) The Moon is a Harsh Mistress The Door into Summer Space Family Stone (yes it is dead cheesy, but we all have our guilty pleasures) No one seems to have mentioned Kim

[9fans] USB mouse doesn't like being unplugged

it is possible to make the mouse portion of usb/kb somewhat more resiliant to disappearing/reappearing? I would have hoped that this were possible seeing as how it's USB. Thanks in advance, Matt -- "If builders built buildings the way programmers write programs, then the first wood

Re: [9fans] USB mouse doesn't like being unplugged

Matt Adams writes: > Does anyone know how if it is possible to make the mouse portion of > usb/kb somewhat more resiliant to disappearing/reappearing? I would > have hoped that this were possible seeing as how it's USB. Also, since I'm a newbie it just occured to me that

Re: [9fans] USB mouse doesn't like being unplugged

a shot myself but I am newbie enough that I think it would take me a long time to get to that point. In any case, thanks for your assistance - Matt -- "If builders built buildings the way programmers write programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization." - anon

Re: [9fans] How do I build from source on linux?

😂 On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 12:00 PM Arne Meyer wrote: > You don't > > schrieb am Do., 15. Juni 2023, 18:53: > >> I run 9front with QEMU and i want to make some changes to it from source >> and than build it and run it on qemu. How do I build it on linux with no mk? >> > *9fans

Re: [9fans] How do I build from source on linux?

It’s not possible to build but you could edit on Linux and build on your qemu machine On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 1:01 PM wrote: > Well i wanted to do things on Linux since i don't find the environment > nice at all on 9front and would want to make my life easier by doing it on > Linux. Turns out no

Re: [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front)

elpful in learning how to play with 9front and am very grateful for it. Matt > > Everyone has access to amd64 machines. The used market is flooded > with retired quad core amd64 Dell and Lenovo office desktops. Most > experienced Linux users who want to try a Plan9 system can also >

Re: [9fans] GitHub.com/u-root/u-root now works again on plan 9

On Wed, Jan 1, 2025 at 8:04 PM Ron Minnich wrote: > u-root is a set of about 180 unix commands (and some plan9-only > commands) written in Go. > Playing with u-root on some embedded projects at work has been on my to-do list for some time, as well as 'https://github.com/u-root/cpu'... -

Re: [9fans] Question about rimport

A' /dev to bind the audio device of the cpu server, except using '#t'. Anyway, I'll keep beavering away. Matt On Thu, Jan 30, 2025 at 1:02 PM Steve Simon wrote: > do you have ethernet on your embedded systems? > > i did embedded development using plan9 as my desk

[9fans] Question about rimport

my own - but I'm very new to Plan 9 / 9Front. Matt -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T47f690ce385404ea-Md605492f333d0ff8faf54d59 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription

Re: [9fans] Plan9 C compiler targetting WASM

As someone who works in embedded systems in a horrible train-wreck of C++, I second this heartily. On Thu, Dec 19, 2024 at 7:02 AM Cyber Fonic wrote: > I admire the cross-compilation capabilities of Plan9. Compared to gcc and > Clang, Plan9 C compilers appeal to my sense of aesthetics. There are

Re: [9fans] reminder: ratrace, acid tracing, dtracy, etc.

Thanks for this. I am a long time Linux user (since about 1994) and use strace, gdb, tcpdump, etc quite often, especially in an embedded environment (ie terminal) so am gradually figuring out the plan 9 tools like snoopy. Acid of course is more involved. I’m also trying to read code as a means

Re: [9fans] Re: plan 9 for linux users

On Thu, Feb 20, 2025 at 9:24 PM Alyssa M via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote: > On Thursday, February 20, 2025, at 5:09 PM, ron minnich wrote: > > The next suggestion, btw, is "Go read the factotum document". > > D'you mean this paper? > http://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/4th_edition/papers/auth ("Security

[9fans] Etiquette question

If someone has posted here to the mailing list, and I’d like to contact them directly (because it seems more sensible than a message to the list), is it bad form to do so? I feel like it would be. It is with regards to u-root Matt -- 9fans: 9fans

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