On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 12:36:19AM +0100, Sigrid Solveig Haflínudóttir wrote:
>
> I'm afraid you got it wrong. Community is mostly centered around
> 9front. One of the reasons is that it actually works and is still
> being developed and used by many. Plan 9 is dead, 9front lives on.
> There is als
On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 01:54:02PM -0500, Antonio Barrones wrote:
> Linux distros are not only "Linux", they are GNU/Linux. Linux is only the
> kernel of a GNU/Linux system (a distro). Android is not a distro because they
> don't have GNU, but Android is "Linux" because it has Linux as kernel.
On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 05:38:19AM -0700, Duke Normandin wrote:
>
>
> >> On 1/24/22, Alexandr Babic wrote:
> >>
> >> hello.
> >>
> >> please don't put any politics here, everyone has own political opinion, but
> >> discuss it elsewhere.
> >> sub-word "trans" should be used only inside "transpi
On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 06:55:27PM +0100, Alexandr Babic wrote:
> >> I agree. This mailing list is turning out to be a bit too fucking bizarro
> >> for my taste.
> > If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Nobody owes you a
> > safe space, snowflake.
>
> khm, you are using snowflak
On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 08:14:25PM -0500, ibrahim via 9fans wrote:
> Thanks for your hint ori,
>
> After searching for Copying, Copyright, Licence I found these problematic
> commands (libs) :
>
> Xen (9f)
> diff (9f,l9)
> patch (9f, l9)
> ghostscript (9f, l9)
> mp3dec (9f, l9)
> lzip (l9)
>
>
On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 07:48:15PM -0800, Ben Hancock wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Acme has become my main text editor and I'm in the market for a good
> mouse with a decent middle click (i.e. B2). If product recommendations
> aren't eschewed on the list, would fellow acme and/or sam users be
> willing
On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 08:39:09PM -0800, Kurt H Maier via 9fans wrote:
> The Scrollpoint Rob mentioned was made
> with both IBM and Lenovo branding, and was also available in a sculpted
> Pro model with a thumb-actuated fourth button.
I should specify: the Scrollpoint mouse technically
On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 03:47:48PM +1100, Rob Pike wrote:
> I have one mouse still in the original unopened box, just to be safe. The
> label reads
>
> 31P7405 Lenovo Scrollpoint Mouse Model MO098OA
>
> And I have now opened it to be sure, and it is the true blue (literally)
> 3-button version. I
On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 08:14:44PM +1300, umbrati...@prosimetrum.com wrote:
> > small ones seem to me like a pain to point, and the large ones look
> > like hard to make chords with the big ball in the middle. Could you
> > share your experience?
>
> I use a Kensington Expert which I guess falls i
On Fri, Feb 04, 2022 at 09:30:26AM -0600, Kent R. Spillner wrote:
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> In your experience do students appreciate being told what's best for them? ;)
>
In my experience needing to be told what's best for them is the defining
characteristic of a student
khm
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On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 11:09:24PM +, Stuart Morrow wrote:
> On 01/02/2022, Ben Hancock wrote:
> > as well but have yet to become adept at the trackpoint. Do you find
> > you're able to sweep lines as easily using it in acme as with a physical
> > mouse?
>
> A trackpoint isn't a real three-bu
On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 12:00:02AM +, Stuart Morrow wrote:
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> I'm aware. I meant the intended use by the people who designed it. I
> wouldn't call a number pad a pointing device just because it can be
> used as one.
>
Apologies to Ted Selker, but it's a poor tool that only functions in
acco
On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 02:12:47PM -0400, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:
> Related question I can't seem to track down an answer to:
>
> I have a 9front cluster which was set up back when Mercurial was used,
> so that is what sysupdate is looking for.
>
> I finally realized that I am no longer seein
On Tue, Aug 02, 2022 at 05:38:39AM +0200, Lucio De Re wrote:
> It's a shame that the SDF wiki
> (https://wiki.sdf.org/doku.php?id=vps_-_plan_9_9front) returns a
> missing page.
Looks like it just got moved:
https://wiki.sdf.org/doku.php?id=plan_9_9front
khm
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On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 12:02:08PM +0900, vic.thac...@fastmail.fm wrote:
>
> Dr. Strangedev or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love GitHub
>
> --Vic
You should switch to GMail.
khm
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On Thu, Feb 02, 2023 at 02:06:41PM -0500, Marshall Conover wrote:
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> I see in the "important dates" the "Camera-ready version" for March 13th,
> but I'm not sure what that refers to.
>
"Camera-ready" is a publishing term which means the document is fully
typeset and ready to be printed. It dat
On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 01:46:17PM -0400, dusan3...@gmail.com wrote:
> Research
Researching what? "The effects of using build systems I don't like: an
empirical approach"
khm
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On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 12:32:55PM +, G B via 9fans wrote:
> Windows and Linux began on single-core single processor machines.
> Multiprocessor had been around for some time--IBM's System 360 began using
> multi-processors in 1968--but not for x86. Plan 9 first edition came out in
> 1992, a
On Wed, Oct 04, 2023 at 07:18:23AM -0400, dusan3...@gmail.com wrote:
> Also I was doing with tail -f /dev/kmesg in the background and without that
> /dev/kmesg loses the start of output up to some random moment where it shows
> it. Could the problem be that i have too many outputs?
try tail +0f
On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 07:22:01PM -0800, Anthony Sorace wrote:
>Since announcing the Plan 9 Foundation, folks have asked how they can
>support our work. We’ve had that “on hold” until we had a bunch of
>organizational things sorted. We’re very pleased to say that the last big
>one
On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 08:53:30PM -0500, Don A. Bailey wrote:
> Tbf I took it as genuine.
>
> One reason I responded with no is that Rob noted that further 9 releases
> should not be a release at all, but should be fluid updates through the
> network. I think if 9 lives on it should be that wa
On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 10:49:33PM -0500, Don A. Bailey wrote:
> I use it. It’s also my advice. It wasn’t “advice” from Rob, it was a design
> choice. There’s more value in that than “advice”.
It's a design choice nobody can implement, because it presumes that the
starting point is correct enoug
On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 06:17:39AM +0900, vic.thac...@fastmail.fm wrote:
> However, it is challenging for me to engage effectively in a community
> when there's no unified vision to align with.
We all like Plan 9. Identify the people who like the same things about
Plan 9 that you like about Plan
On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 11:44:34AM -0500, Don Bailey wrote:
> I'm not sure what all this was, so I didn't read most of it.
This tracks. Thanks for your insight.
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On Sat, Feb 10, 2024 at 06:04:33PM +1100, Rob Pike wrote:
> Thanks, but I don't know who owns that site these dayse. I'll forward to
> the 9fans mailing list.
>
> -rob
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 10, 2024 at 6:20 AM Douglas McIlroy <
> douglas.mcil...@dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>
> > The link to plan 9 from o
On Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 04:52:29PM +0100, Marco Feichtinger wrote:
> My router at home also serves as the DHCP server for the network.
>
> I have a plan9 file server and now want to pxe boot a second machine from it.
> On the file server I have 'ip/dhcpd -sS' running, since it also serves bootp
>
On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 02:16:47PM +0100, Richard Miller wrote:
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> That's quadrillions of years. Not what most people would call "trivial".
> And that's generously assuming the implementation of meet-in-the-middle
> is zero cost. Without meet-in-the-middle, we're looking at a 168-bit
> keyspace a
On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 09:21:20AM +0900, vester.thac...@fastmail.fm wrote:
> unclear who exactly is responsible. Typically, a team of two or more
> individuals would focus on these deliverables.
nobody is "responsible" and there are no "deliverables"
the people who covet bureaucracy have on
On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 09:46:12PM -0400, Dan Cross wrote:
>
> So what is it, exactly, that people want?
The only people who feel like there's some conflict to resolve are
people who do not use the software and have nothing to offer except for
social commentary. This "us vs them" shit is only of
On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 11:46:59AM +0930, clinton wrote:
> I await the scorching flames for my great impudence of interjecting into a
> vociferous discussion with such a pragmatic tangent!
If you don't intend to have anything hanging out with a direct internet
connection, just use whatever looks c
On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 11:52:29PM -0400, ibrahim via 9fans wrote:
>
> You ignore copyrights as you please and distributed 9front under an MIT
> license long before Nokia as the owner of it decided to do so. You did
> that at a time when plan9 was placed under GPL.
You have apparently not read
On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 01:54:27AM -0400, ibrahim via 9fans wrote:
>
> Please correct me if I'm wrong.
>
Happily. Here's the original revision of /lib/legal/NOTICE:
http://code.9front.org/hg/plan9front/file/944787349e93/lib/legal/NOTICE
> The Plan 9 software is provided under the terms of th
On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 02:04:24AM -0400, ibrahim via 9fans wrote:
>
> There are many companies who double license code. As the owners of such code
> they are free to do this. Users can't relicense code as they please
> especially not GPL licensed code.
At no point did we 'relicense' anything.
On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 02:18:54AM -0400, ibrahim via 9fans wrote:
> You really should read the GPL. Your changes were included with GPL'ed code
> even in the same file and not distributed as independent patches so the
> modified work as a whole got infected by the GPL license.
This is explicitl
On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 11:20:48AM -0400, Don Bailey wrote:
> But please document them and provide rationale/evidence for their
removal.
You've been on this list a while. You should remember therefore that
Fossil was a *constant* topic of debate here for *years*.
Specifically, people
On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 11:53:28AM -0400, Don Bailey wrote:
> It's not gaslighting to ask for evidence. I was here, I remember the
> complains with Fossil. But to what degree was that /actually/ Fossil? What
> degree was it the configurations, the hardware, the firmware, the
> consistency of manage
On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 12:20:04PM -0400, Don Bailey wrote:
> Again, this is a core example I'm talking about. In this email you've
> called me gross, a bootlicker, etc, while ignoring my concerns and brushing
> them off as "emotional".
What part of "not directed at you, Don" did you fail to parse
On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 12:54:41PM -0400, Don Bailey wrote:
> You handwave insults off by pretending like they aren't directed at the
> exact person you're responding to :-)
>
> It's quite tiresome, and yet persistent.
When else has it happened? Do I always do it? Are there firmware
differences
On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 02:22:01PM +, Samuel Reader via 9fans wrote:
> The 2nd draft is out. I've made some corrections as mentioned by others, and
> I have added those who have helped to the acknowledgements. This draft is
> only for those that are interested in the content. If you are not i
On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 07:32:18AM -0400, pl...@room3420.net wrote:
> an other interesting reading :
> https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/critical-analysis-9front-community-conflict-vester-thacker-htt3f?trk=article-ssr-frontend-pulse_more-articles_related-content-card
I love this article very much. U
On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 08:09:44PM -0400, kalona.ayeli...@fastmail.us wrote:
> Please elaborate on any issues you find in my work and explain where I am
> wrong.
Why? So you can type that into an LLM prompt as well?
kalona ayeliski are supposed to torture dying people, not computer
mailing list
On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 09:33:31PM -0400, kalona.ayeli...@fastmail.us wrote:
> I did all the work myself. If you choose to be dismissive, that is your
> prerogative. The original question remains unanswered; you have only
> complained and criticized, doing little to address it.
Vic? Is that you
On Wed, Jul 31, 2024 at 10:34:29PM -0400, kalona.ayeli...@fastmail.us wrote:
> I'm working to find an answer for Marco despite hardware issues. I hope to
> replace my mainboard when funds allow. Trying is better than not trying. If
> Marco gets a fair answer, we're done. Until then, let's get him
On Sat, Aug 03, 2024 at 02:10:43PM -0400, kalona.ayeli...@fastmail.us wrote:
>
> cron '*/5 * * * * fs(3) -m /dev/sdE0/arena /dev/sdE1/arena'
>
When you generate bullshit with an LLM and then post it without reading
it, nobody thinks the LLM is stupid. We think *you* are stupid.
khm
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On Sat, Aug 03, 2024 at 02:27:14PM -0400, kalona.ayeli...@fastmail.us wrote:
> khm, you can think whatever you like. If true, then all you can do is let it
> be.
I don't need your permission to think whatever I like, and there are
tons of other things I can do, like informing you that you're a us
On Sun, Aug 04, 2024 at 02:27:58PM -0400, kalona.ayeli...@fastmail.us wrote:
> From a newcomer's perspective, it feels like dealing with a cult run by scam
> artists. It seems someone wants to profit from me by selling books on Amazon,
> like a multi-level marketing group. People say others here
On Sun, Aug 04, 2024 at 02:50:55PM -0400, kalona.ayeli...@fastmail.us wrote:
> I am sharing my perspective, but it seems you disagree with my viewpoint and
> want to label me negatively. Is this how your group handles differing
> opinions?
This approach to community engagement is called "DARVO."
On Mon, Oct 07, 2024 at 06:59:23AM +0100, Steve Simon wrote:
> i can confirm vic is human and predates LLMs by many years. he has been a
> contributor to plan9 for as long as i can remember.
Where did he copy and paste the contributions from before LLMs?
khm
On Fri, Oct 04, 2024 at 03:51:13PM +0900, vester.thac...@fastmail.fm wrote:
> I'm relieved this mailing list focuses on Plan 9, not 9front, since I don't
> use 9front. I submitted two patches today—no armchair engineers around here.
I hope that you learn nobody wants your LLM output quickly enou
On Mon, Sep 30, 2024 at 09:52:58AM -0400, Russ Cox wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> In plan9port, back in 2020, I wrote a new parser in rc to clean up a few
> things, most notably that = signs are now allowed in command arguments.
> This makes rc much nicer for using programs with -foo=bar flag syntax. It
> w
I look forward to end of the "what C needs is more bureaucracy" era of
programming language design.
I note that the linked discussion starts out with someone stating a
concrete goal which would justify porting a language to a platform, and
the following recommendation of V is primarily vibe-based.
On Fri, Dec 27, 2024 at 01:24:40PM -0800, Paul Lalonde wrote:
> The remnants of that work are now living on in the AVX512 instruction set.
> The principal problem with Larrabee was that the ring bus connecting some
> 60+ ring stops was *so wide* (512 bits bidirectional = 1024 bits!) that it
> consu
On Thu, Dec 26, 2024 at 10:24:23PM -0800, Ron Minnich wrote:
> We had stopped the k10 work in 2006, when Fred
> Johnson, DOE program manager of FAST-OS, asked the FAST-OS researchers
> to start focusing on the upcoming petaflop HPC systems, which were not
> going to be x86 clusters, and (so long ag
On Sat, Dec 14, 2024 at 11:40:33AM -0800, Anthony Sorace wrote:
> Hello, 9fans.
>
> Russ Cox has graciously transferred management of the list to the Plan 9
> Foundation. As part of that change, this list will now be moderated.
> Information about the group, including our moderation guidelines,
Speaking of 'your ideas here', now that the p9f has some formal
structure, it might be worth looking into OSUOSL hosting. If you plan
to ramp up users, that'll come with a rise in i/o on contrib, and
hosting costs. The folks at OSUOSL provide a good service to projects
in this regard and OSU stud
On Sat, Jan 18, 2025 at 10:29:48PM +0100, sirjofri wrote:
> In general, we have a lot of "this is how tool X works" manuals, and a lack
> of "this is how task X can be done" documentation. The fqa is probably the
> most famous example of the latter, next to the intro man pages. I would be
> happ
On Mon, Jan 20, 2025 at 06:34:11PM +, Andrew Back wrote:
> On 20/01/2025 17:09, ron minnich wrote:
> > I'm getting more and more bothered by the mountain of things going on in
> > my phones that I can never understand.
> >
> > So I got curious and found this:
> > https://www.instructables.com/
On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 07:10:36PM -0800, Bakul Shah via 9fans wrote:
> 9front came up fine under bhyve (uses efi). Last install from
> 9front-10522.amd64.iso
and once anyone starts shipping laptops with ed2k, we'll all breath a
sigh of relief.
khm
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On Mon, Jan 20, 2025 at 10:38:42PM -0500, o...@eigenstate.org wrote:
> Quoth Kurt H Maier via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>:
> >
> > The problem with the original Hellaphone implementation is that it is
> > nailed to the Android APIs of the era, and Google likes to repl
On Sun, Feb 23, 2025 at 08:20:29PM +0100, Shawn Rutledge wrote:
> What about the risc-v version of this
> https://www.clockworkpi.com/product-page/uconsole-kit-r-01
I own this. I have not been able to get anything but linux to run on
it.
> Or the MNT Pocket Reform… I haven
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