Re: [9fans] python csp

2009-03-11 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Uriel wrote: > Stackless is fairly well maintained and uptodate, it is also fairly > close to the Limbo model, and it is used in production in some really > big projects. > > Unfortunately it seems unlikely that it will ever make it to python > mainline because Gui

Re: [9fans] small node

2009-03-12 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 10:45 AM, maht wrote: > >> >> From the picture, the thing has USB. Gotta be a way to DIY ethernet or >> wifi into it... >> >> > > http://ninetimes.cat-v.org/news/2008/12/24/1_New_driver_for_usb_ethernet_devices/ > Hey, that's pretty cool

Re: [9fans] my /dev/time for Linux

2009-03-12 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 6:29 AM, maht wrote: > nice one. > > Getting it upstream would be great. Another "you know Y that's in Linux now, > it's from Plan9, but if you want Plan9 you know where to find it (unless > it's down today)". > > Actually, I got Ashwin Ganti's Plan 9 capability device acce

Re: [9fans] new toy - gmap

2009-03-13 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Bruce Ellis wrote: > That seems to be endemic. People putting things on top of other > things. Which reminds me that people aren't wearing enough hats! There's a committee for putting things on top of other things, isn't there? > > brucee > > On Sat, Mar 14, 2009

Re: [9fans] new toy - gmap

2009-03-13 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 7:11 PM, David Leimbach wrote: > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 3:59 PM, J.R. Mauro wrote: >> >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Bruce Ellis >> wrote: >> > That seems to be endemic. People putting things on top of other >> >

Re: [9fans] new toy - gmap

2009-03-13 Thread J.R. Mauro
d up in a book you need to purchase for $250 USD >> (plus tax & shipping) in order to put things... >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 7:17 PM, J.R. Mauro wrote: >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 7:11 PM, David Leimbach wrote: >>> > >>> > &

Re: [9fans] new toy - gmap

2009-03-13 Thread J.R. Mauro
Just to let you know, the current version as of a few minutes ago works for me. Thanks! On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Steve Simon wrote: > Pick up the new code, it reads the key from /lib/gmapkey > and gets the longditude and latitude the correct way round > (as several people have told me. >

Re: [9fans] log oversight

2009-03-15 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 11:18 PM, ron minnich wrote: > note that those files are append-only. > > logs on unix are writeable by everyone: > [rminn...@panzer ~]$ logger -p kern.err "JUNK" > [rminn...@panzer ~]$ sudo tail -f /var/log/messages > > Mar 16 04:15:03 Panzer rminnich: JUNK > This didn't

Re: [9fans] log oversight

2009-03-16 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 2:30 AM, ron minnich wrote: > On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 8:55 PM, J.R. Mauro wrote: >> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 11:18 PM, ron minnich wrote: >>> note that those files are append-only. >>> >>> logs on unix are writeable by everyone: >>

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 on Routers?

2009-03-24 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Devon H. O'Dell wrote: > 2009/3/24 Rahul Murmuria : >> I was poking around for what it would take to get there. I found >> this[1]. I am basically looking to have a way to do routing using Plan >> 9. You can already do that on any standard Linux using Quagga[2] bas

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 on Routers?

2009-03-24 Thread J.R. Mauro
t on routers is something I have wanted for sometime now too. I am a > member of the Glendix project (http://www.glendix.org) and have discussed > the same ideas for Glendix recently. > > I was told that Inferno has ventured into such waters before. Are you sure > there in no informat

Re: [9fans] GSOC: Drawterm for the iPhone

2009-03-26 Thread J.R. Mauro
sonable resolution. Should find out who put it on > >> the ideas page for GSoC; it wasn't me (so clearly somebody is > >> interested). Besides, look at the DS port. Smaller screens, lower > >> resolution (even combined, I think). Whether it's novelty or not isn&#

Re: [9fans] GSOC: Drawterm for the iPhone

2009-03-26 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Eric Van Hensbergen wrote: > On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 1:04 PM, J.R. Mauro wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 07:54:57PM -0500, Eric Van Hensbergen wrote: >>> One nice thing about drawterm is it lets you export the iphone's >>> in

Re: [9fans] GSOC: Gitfs

2009-03-26 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Mukhitdinov Manzur wrote: > > Hello! > >     I'm a cs student from Saint-Petersburg,Russia(sea-gull on #plan9-soc). > I'm interested in your project of implementing Git file system > for Plan9. >     Implementing Gitfs when we have Hgfs[1] and hgc may seem odd to >

Re: [9fans] Plan9 from Outer Space strikes again

2009-03-29 Thread J.R. Mauro
I think the Glendix project should be renamed. On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 3:39 PM, yy wrote: > I just found this: > http://www.bluewaterprod.com/news/Plan_9_is_back_12-17-08.php and > wanted to share it with you. > > > -- > - yiyus || JGL . > >

Re: [9fans] GSOC: Drawterm for the iPhone

2009-03-29 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 10:51 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: >> Legitimate iPhone apps can access the screen, camera, accelerometer, >> gps and a portion of the filesystem. One could technically write a >> drawterm that "polled" for instructions from a remote CPU server and >> act on the local devices.

Re: [9fans] GSOC: Drawterm for the iPhone

2009-03-29 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 11:40 PM, ron minnich wrote: > On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 8:02 PM, J.R. Mauro wrote: > >> There is always the possibility of leveraging the jailbreak, which >> would also let us possibly do something better than just drawterm. >> FUSE was ported to th

Re: [9fans] GSOC: Drawterm for the iPhone

2009-03-31 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 8:01 AM, Eric Van Hensbergen wrote: > The fact that rio and/or acme have a limited usage model with such a device > and/or multitouch in general is a shame -- wouldn't it be nice to fix that. This is a very good point. As much as I like rio, I can't help but be aggravated

Re: [9fans] GSOC: Drawterm for the iPhone

2009-03-31 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Eric Van Hensbergen wrote: > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:36 AM, J.R. Mauro wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 8:01 AM, Eric Van Hensbergen >> wrote: >>> The fact that rio and/or acme have a limited usage model with such a device >>

Re: [9fans] what features would you like in a shell?

2009-03-31 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 11:29 AM, noagbodjivictor wrote: > hello, > > I'm a undergrade CS student doing a project for my introductory > operating systems class. my team wants to write a simple shell from > scratch. > > one idea we have found so far is the following. the shell will record > all the

Re: [9fans] J9P/StyxLib

2009-04-01 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 11:19:08PM +0300, Alex Efros wrote: > Hi! > > On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 10:02:04PM +0200, Bernd R. Fix wrote: > > 2.) You have an OS project with a different, incompatible license > > and want to include a GPL project or base some work on it. > > > > I am sure that t

Re: [9fans] J9P/StyxLib

2009-04-01 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 04:42:18PM -0400, J.R. Mauro wrote: > On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 11:19:08PM +0300, Alex Efros wrote: > > Hi! > > > > On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 10:02:04PM +0200, Bernd R. Fix wrote: > > > 2.) You have an OS project with a different, incompatible

Re: [9fans] J9P/StyxLib

2009-04-01 Thread J.R. Mauro
e GPL that get contributions. Of course you can argue the merits of any of them. But if you don't like the license, it's very simple: don't use it. And as I remembered, there are alternative licenses with similar intent, like the Vim license. > > Lucho > > On Wed,

Re: [9fans] J9P/StyxLib

2009-04-01 Thread J.R. Mauro
ortunately, as a race, we have not yet come to the agreement of throwing every lawyer on the face of the earth into a volcano > > Peace > > uriel > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 10:46 PM, J.R. Mauro wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 04:42:18PM -0400, J.R. Mauro wrote: > >

Re: [9fans] a bit OT, programming style question

2009-04-07 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Eris Discordia wrote: > I see. But seriously, readline does handle bindings and line editing for > bash. Except it's a function instead of a program and you think it's a bad > idea. The man page *does* say it's too big and slow. So does the bash manpage. And gettin

Re: [9fans] a bit OT, programming style question

2009-04-07 Thread J.R. Mauro
11, and...) make it work acceptably. Try env | wc -l in bash. Now tell me why that value is so big. > > Anyway, thanks for the info. > > --On Tuesday, April 07, 2009 3:57 PM -0400 "J.R. Mauro" > wrote: > >> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Eris Discordia >>

Re: [9fans] a bit OT, programming style question

2009-04-09 Thread J.R. Mauro
bitions. I leveled no claims against *BSD or Linux. I'm simply trying to point out that bash is utter garbage, as its own man page indicates. > > --On Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:04 PM -0400 "J.R. Mauro" > wrote: > >> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:48 PM, Eris Discordia

Re: [9fans] extensions of "interest"

2009-04-09 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 1:25 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: > On Thu Apr  9 13:19:11 EDT 2009, rminn...@gmail.com wrote: >> www.pdl.cmu.edu/posix >> >> statlite() > > the statlite man page is itself lightweight, being available > on the web in pdf form. And MS doc! There's a common Unix-y file format.

Re: [9fans] extensions of "interest"

2009-04-09 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 1:48 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: > On Thu Apr  9 13:44:50 EDT 2009, mirtchov...@gmail.com wrote: >> i propose an extension to HTTP (call it HTTPeeLite) which allows me to >> specify in my request to that webpage the format in which i prefer to >> receive the man page. a 'setup

Re: [9fans] extensions of "interest"

2009-04-09 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 3:05 PM, maht wrote: > andrey mirtchovski wrote: >> >> i propose an extension to HTTP (call it HTTPeeLite) which allows me to >> specify in my request to that webpage the format in which i prefer to >> receive the man page. a 'setup' exchange can be sent beforehand to >> est

Re: [9fans] a bit OT, programming style question

2009-04-09 Thread J.R. Mauro
> No, it's very likely bigger. wc -l is lines of course, and I'm > guessing each line is more than 1 character. However, > > $ set | wc -l > 64 > > I don't quite get that locally. It only starts to balloon once you begin customizing bash. I'm not sure how rc handles functions, but the nice thing a

Re: [9fans] extensions of "interest"

2009-04-09 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 3:22 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: >> > Already part of HTTP >> > >> > Accept: application/msword; q=1, application/pdf; >> > q=0.5,application/x-troff-ms; q=0.3 >> > >> > q is the level of preference, you'll get word docs first >> > >> > >> >> Wow. Could it get any worse? > > y

Re: [9fans] a bit OT, programming style question

2009-04-09 Thread J.R. Mauro
> > I prefer the cadillac of shells (zsh) & the vw bug (rc). > I like this.

Re: [9fans] a bit OT, programming style question

2009-04-10 Thread J.R. Mauro
t; ought to be a script/program in its own right? No, bash's completion system is what's responsible for line numbers in the thousands. > > --On Thursday, April 09, 2009 3:34 PM -0400 "J.R. Mauro" > wrote: > >>> No, it's very likely bigger. wc -l is lin

Re: [9fans] a bit OT, programming style question

2009-04-10 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Eris Discordia wrote: >> this is the "space-shuttle dichotomy."  it's a false one.  it's a >> continuum. its ends are dangerous. > > So somewhere in the middle is the golden mean? I have no objections to that. > *BSD systems very well represent a silver, if not a go

Re: [9fans] noweb and literal programming

2009-04-10 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Rudolf Sykora wrote: > Hello, > > I've been thinking about 'well documented programs' and come across > the 'noweb' program. > Do you have any experience with literal programming and, particularly, noweb? > (I noticed at least rsc seems to have played with it back

Re: [9fans] security questions

2009-04-16 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Devon H. O'Dell wrote: > 2009/4/16 erik quanstrom : >> On Thu Apr 16 22:18:35 EDT 2009, devon.od...@gmail.com wrote: >>> > i just stated what i thought the historical situation was.  the >>> > point was only that changing direction will be difficult. >>> >>> This

Re: [9fans] Plan9 - the next 20 years

2009-04-17 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Steve Simon wrote: > I cannot find the reference (sorry), but I read an interview with Ken > (Thompson) a while ago. > > He was asked what he would change if he where working on plan9 now, > and his reply was somthing like "I would add support for cloud computing".

Re: [9fans] Plan9 - the next 20 years

2009-04-17 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 3:43 PM, wrote: > On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 08:16:40PM +0100, Steve Simon wrote: >> I cannot find the reference (sorry), but I read an interview with Ken >> (Thompson) a while ago. >> >> He was asked what he would change if he where working on plan9 now, >> and his reply was

Re: [9fans] VMs, etc. (was: Re: security questions)

2009-04-17 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Eris Discordia wrote: >> even today on an average computer one has this articulation: a CPU (with >> a FPU perhaps) ; tightly or loosely connected storage (?ATA or SAN) ; >> graphical capacities (terminal) : GPU. > > It happens so that a reversal of specialization

Re: [9fans] Plan9 - the next 20 years

2009-04-17 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Eric Van Hensbergen wrote: > On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 2:43 PM,   wrote: >> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 08:16:40PM +0100, Steve Simon wrote: >>> I cannot find the reference (sorry), but I read an interview with Ken >>> (Thompson) a while ago. >>> >> >> My interpretation

Re: [9fans] Plan9 - the next 20 years

2009-04-17 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 6:15 PM, ron minnich wrote: > if you want to look at checkpointing, it's worth going back to look at > Condor, because they made it really work. There are a few interesting > issues that you need to get right. You can't make it 50% of the way > there; that's not useful. You

Re: [9fans] Plan9 - the next 20 years

2009-04-17 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 7:01 PM, ron minnich wrote: > On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 3:35 PM, J.R. Mauro wrote: > >> Amen. Linux is currently having a seriously hard time getting C/R >> working properly, just because of the issues you mention. The second >> you mix in non-loc

Re: [9fans] Plan9 - the next 20 years

2009-04-17 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 10:39 PM, ron minnich wrote: > On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 7:06 PM, J.R. Mauro wrote: > >> Yeah, the problem's bigger than I thought (not surprising since I >> didn't think much about it). I'm having a hard time figuring out how >> Con

Re: [9fans] Plan9 - the next 20 years

2009-04-17 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 11:37 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: >> I can imagine a lot of problems stemming from open files could be >> resolved by first attempting to import the process's namespace at the >> time of checkpoint and, upon that failing, using cached copies of the >> file made at the time of

Re: [9fans] Plan9 - the next 20 years

2009-04-17 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 11:56 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: >> Vidi also seems to be an attempt to make Venti work in such a dynamic >> environment. IMHO, the assumption that computers are always connected >> to the network was a fundamental mistake in Plan 9 > > on the other hand, without this assump

Re: [9fans] Plan9 - the next 20 years

2009-04-17 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 12:16 AM, erik quanstrom wrote: >> But I'll say that if anyone tries to solve these problems today, they >> should not fall into the same trap,  [...] > > yes.  forward thinking was just the thing that made multics > what it is today. > > it is equally a trap to try to prog

Re: [9fans] Plan9 - the next 20 years

2009-04-17 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 12:16 AM, erik quanstrom wrote: >> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 11:37 PM, erik quanstrom >> wrote: >> >> I can imagine a lot of problems stemming from open files could be >> >> resolved by first attempting to import the process's namespace at the >> >> time of checkpoint and,

Re: [9fans] Help for home user discovering Plan 9

2009-04-17 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 1:47 AM, wrote: >> Every time I have to use something like >> Linux or MS, I feel overwhelmed by the sheer complexity of it all. > > Possibly OT, my main beef with Linux and Windows is that they keep > wanting to update themselves and the effort to "manage" these updates >

Re: [9fans] Plan9 - the next 20 years

2009-04-18 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 9:50 AM, erik quanstrom wrote: >> > * you can get the same effect by increasing the scale of your system. >> > >> > * the reason conventional systems work is not, in my opinion, because >> > the collision window is small, but because one typically doesn't do >> > conflictin

Re: [9fans] Plan9 - the next 20 years

2009-04-18 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 11:11 AM, erik quanstrom wrote: > On Sat Apr 18 11:08:21 EDT 2009, rminn...@gmail.com wrote: >> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 6:50 AM, erik quanstrom >> wrote: >> >> > in a plan 9 system, the only files that i can think of which many processes >> > have open at the same time ar

Re: [9fans] Help for home user discovering Plan 9

2009-04-18 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 2:11 AM, wrote: >> The update/installation process in Ubuntu sucks. If you try something >> using BSD ports or Gentoo portage, you can fine tune things and have >> explicit control over the update process. > > I was specifically omitting BSD ports, as they are in a differe

Re: [9fans] Help for home user discovering Plan 9

2009-04-18 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 2:08 AM, Eris Discordia wrote: > This thing about Windows updates, I think it's a non-issue. It's not like > updates are mandatory and, as a matter of fact, there's rather fine-grained > classification of them on Microsoft's knowledge base which can be used by > any more or

Re: [9fans] Help for home user discovering Plan 9

2009-04-18 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 12:20 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: >> Seriously, give Gentoo portage a try. There is a sane package >> management system for Linux. > > if you don't upgrade in lock step you will get into dependency hell. > portage is now exactly what its developers railed against — rpm > depe

Re: [9fans] Plan9 - the next 20 years

2009-04-18 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 12:20 PM, ron minnich wrote: > On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 9:10 AM, J.R. Mauro wrote: > >> I agree that generally only one process will be accessing a "normal" >> file at once. I think an editor is not a good example, as you say. >> > &g

Re: [9fans] Plan9 - the next 20 years

2009-04-18 Thread J.R. Mauro
> > I _do_ think yours should come first! Having to say: "yes" to an user... If you don't say 'yes' at some point, you won't have a system anyone will want to use. Remember all those quotes about why Unix doesn't prevent you from doing stupid things?

Re: [9fans] Help for home user discovering Plan 9

2009-04-18 Thread J.R. Mauro
ng ago I can't remember what the circumstances exactly were. > > --On Saturday, April 18, 2009 12:19 PM -0400 "J.R. Mauro" > wrote: > >> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 2:08 AM, Eris Discordia >> wrote: >>> >>> This thing about Windows updates, I t

Re: [9fans] Help for home user discovering Plan 9

2009-04-18 Thread J.R. Mauro
r polluting their list with Windows > nonsense. This will end right here even if J. R. Mauro goes on to say > her/his Windows system won't boot after a clean successful installation. No one asked you to pollute the list the first time around, and I haven't run Windows on anything i

Re: [9fans] Plan9 - the next 20 years

2009-04-18 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 7:31 PM, Charles Forsyth wrote: > this discussion of checkpoint/restart reminds me of > a hint i was given years ago: if you wanted to break into a system, > attack through the checkpoint/restart system. i won a jug of > beer for my subsequent successful attack which involv

Re: [9fans] Help for home user discovering Plan 9

2009-04-20 Thread J.R. Mauro
>> >> The update/installation process in Ubuntu sucks. If you try something >> using BSD ports or Gentoo portage, you can fine tune things and have >> explicit control over the update process. > > I don't think so, one can acquire a complete control over any common > Linux distribution, can opt for

Re: [9fans] Plan9 - the next 20 years

2009-04-20 Thread J.R. Mauro
> > What kind of latency? > > For speed of light in fibre optic 30ms is about 8000km (New York to San > Francisco and back) Assuming you have a direct fiber connection with no routers in between. I would say that is somewhat rare.

Re: [9fans] roots

2009-04-24 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:16 AM, erik quanstrom wrote: > where do they think linux, minux, unix came from? > > “ >        "It rarely leads to good things" when a small community gets >        headed off in their own direction, he [lwn editor j. corbet] said. That's odd since he's worked on Linux

[9fans] Vidi

2009-05-17 Thread J.R. Mauro
Does anyone have any updates/links to source code for vidi? I just got a venti up and running to back my laptop up to and I'd really like to have vidi in between for when I'm offline.

Re: [9fans] Vidi

2009-05-18 Thread J.R. Mauro
es for it. > >    Lucho > > On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 6:15 PM, J.R. Mauro wrote: >> Does anyone have any updates/links to source code for vidi? I just got >> a venti up and running to back my laptop up to and I'd really like to >> have vidi in between for when I'm offline. >> >> > >

Re: [9fans] sources down?

2009-05-23 Thread J.R. Mauro
There are plenty of mirrors, I'm pretty sure the "sources is down AGAIN" comments could be mitigated by people improving their 9fs scripts.

Re: [9fans] sources down?

2009-05-23 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 8:17 PM, ron minnich wrote: > On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 4:59 PM, J.R. Mauro wrote: >> There are plenty of mirrors, I'm pretty sure the "sources is down >> AGAIN" comments could be mitigated by people improving their 9fs >> scripts. >

Re: [9fans] sources down?

2009-05-25 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Steve Simon wrote: >> damn, he found out our evil plan... > > And we would have got away with it if it hadn't been for you pesky kids. > And their TALKING DOG.

Re: [9fans] Configuring NFS

2009-06-02 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 2:34 PM, John Floren wrote: > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Roman V. Shaposhnik wrote: >> On Tue, 2009-06-02 at 11:03 -0700, John Floren wrote: >>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Roman V. Shaposhnik wrote: >>> > On Tue, 2009-06-02 at 10:30 -0700, John Floren wrote: >>

Re: [9fans] plan 9 regexp

2009-06-03 Thread J.R. Mauro
Speaking of regexes in Plan 9, did the "structural awk" or "stream sam" Rob dreamed of in the SE paper ever get realized?

Re: [9fans] plan 9 regexp

2009-06-03 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 7:56 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: > On Wed Jun  3 19:41:39 EDT 2009, n...@lsub.org wrote: >> I have a ssam script that does the work. But  it's not really streaming. >> >> El 04/06/2009, a las 1:36, jrm8...@gmail.com escribió: >> >> > Speaking of regexes in Plan 9, did the "str

[9fans] p9p Juke issues

2009-06-03 Thread J.R. Mauro
Hi all, In an attempt to get the Juke program to play nice with other programs wanting to use sound, I modified the Juke script to run 'aoss ajuke $*' This had the result of letting other programs access the sound card, but now Juke can't play more than one song. It seems that ajuke is stuck on s

Re: [9fans] plan 9 regexp

2009-06-04 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:27 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: >> >> It does. That doesn't build either :( >> > > there is very little source code there.  why not dump the configure > goo and use p9p instead? > > - erik > > I want to, but as usual, time is a problem.

[9fans] geoloc - a crappy script I wrote.

2009-06-05 Thread J.R. Mauro
Hi, Someone on contrib has a gmap (not the shell script one that was mentioned recently, the older(?) one done in C). I made the following stupid script to help start gmap at a user-specified address. Gmap only understands coordinates, which I can't memorize. But it's generally useful besides a gm

Re: [9fans] geoloc - a crappy script I wrote.

2009-06-05 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 10:12 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: > On Fri Jun  5 22:03:29 EDT 2009, jrm8...@gmail.com wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Someone on contrib has a gmap (not the shell script one that was >> mentioned recently, the older(?) one done in C). I made the following >> stupid script to help start gm

Re: [9fans] geoloc - a crappy script I wrote.

2009-06-05 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 10:01 PM, J.R. Mauro wrote: > generally useful besides a gmap helper, I suppose. I'm trying to see > if I can get something like google maps directions based on geoloc > since the yahoo site it uses seems to not fail if you give it a very > vague address,

Re: [9fans] Configuring NFS

2009-06-09 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Roman V Shaposhnik wrote: > Hi John, > > it took me sometime to go through the old backups but it seems > that the NFS setup is gone by now. You can still ask questions, > if you want to, but I won't be able to send you all the working > conf. files. > > On Tue, 200

Re: [9fans] Different representations of the same file/resource in a synthetic FS

2009-06-09 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Roman V Shaposhnik wrote: > Lets assume a classical example (modified slightly to fit 9P): > a synthetic filesystem that serves images from a web cam. > The very same frame can be asked for in different formats > (.gif, .png, .pdf, etc.). Is serving >   gif/frame

[9fans] P9P gmail

2009-06-09 Thread J.R. Mauro
Hi, I've gotten mailfs to work in plan9port with gmail's imap service, and now I'd like to get smtp working so I can reply. Has anyone tried this? Is there a way to do it? How about configuring Acme Mail to use something other than marshal (say, mutt)? Thanks in advance, Jorden

Re: [9fans] critique of sockets API

2009-06-09 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Bhanu Nagendra Pisupati wrote: > First off, I really am a big fan of filesystem interfaces as used in Plan 9 > - after all my PhD work was based on the model :) Did you do this on Plan 9 or bring some of the filesystem sanity of another OS? > My objective here is t

Re: [9fans] P9P gmail

2009-06-11 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 18:15:37 -0400 > "J.R. Mauro" wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I've gotten mailfs to work in plan9port with gmail's imap service, and >> now I'd like to get smtp working so I can reply. Has anyone tried >> this? Is there a wa

Re: [9fans] p9p venti problem

2009-06-11 Thread J.R. Mauro
I can't help with this in particular, but QEMU does some really low-level hackery to the point where it wouldn't compile with GCC 4, so it's possible something like that is going on here. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Adrian Tritschler wrote: > I've got a p9p venti running on two separate ubunt

Re: [9fans] plan 9 regexp

2009-06-13 Thread J.R. Mauro
I got it to build for linux with some modifications, if you or anyone is interested. Now I just need a sawk and syacc. On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:27 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: >> >> It does. That doesn't build either :( >> > > there is very little source code there.  why not dump the configure > goo

Re: [9fans] rio with virtuals

2009-06-15 Thread J.R. Mauro
p9p rio has virtuals, too. I would tell you to look at the source for more inspiration, but I don't really want to be a comedian. How does one switch desktops? Can/did you implement scrolling on a gray bit to switch? Extending the fs? On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 6:54 PM, wrote: > I spent a couple ho

Re: [9fans] confusing astro output

2009-06-15 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 3:43 PM, andrey mirtchovski wrote: > most likely "astro" needs to be taught a bit about maths ;) > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drE5cHe6c3s > What *was* that?

Re: [9fans] plumbing to get files from odd filesystems, and get pages from local manuals

2009-06-20 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 2:01 AM, Jason Catena wrote: > Some plan9port plumbing I wrote which may help someone. > > Using the plan9port plumber to find files in ClearCase VOBs. > http://www.evernote.com/pub/catena/public#7d2e9774-964f-423c-96e9-5e8721b1a78d > > Also plumb man(1) pattern to local man

Re: [9fans] Sam commands in acme

2009-06-27 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:57 AM, roger peppe wrote: > you need (.|\n) instead of . > > sam originally used @ as a "match everything" character > but it was removed, presumably because it was rarely used. That's a stupid reason to remove a good feature. By that token, maybe we should remove structu

Re: [9fans] Sam commands in acme

2009-06-27 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Rob Pike wrote: > > Indeed, but it's an excellent reason to remove a bad feature.  @ was a > bad feature. It was hard to use well because @* or @+ would consume > the whole file. Your structural regex paper gripes about . and * not consuming newlines. Apparently it

Re: [9fans] Booting plan9 on intel macs

2009-06-29 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > I accidentally installed a FreeBSD drive in my MacBook. To my surprise, > it just worked. If you install a boot drive with the "usual" PC disk > partitioning the Macs will boot in what seems to be a fairly complete > BIOS emulation. > > How

[9fans] Scrolling for plan9port sam

2009-06-30 Thread J.R. Mauro
could someone help clean this crappy patch up a bit? i'm drunk and sam not being able to understand my scrollwheel is really pissing me off. at least this works despite it being ugly and steeped in cheap whiskey... --jorden diff -r 5f1b36ecd9db src/cmd/samterm/main.c --- a/src/cmd/samterm/main.

Re: [9fans] Guide to using Acme effectively?

2009-07-01 Thread J.R. Mauro
> first trick, but I do use hold mode... usually after I have typed a > few lines and want to edit them. Hold mode is a godsend

Re: [9fans] Guide to using Acme effectively?

2009-07-01 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 4:00 PM, wrote: >> perhaps i should have taken piano, but i find the > > That's an interesting observation.  As it turns out I > do play, and it's certainly possible that it colors my > taste in UIs. The weirdest thing about piano for me (typist first) is pressing more than

Re: [9fans] Scrolling for plan9port sam

2009-07-01 Thread J.R. Mauro
Here is a less drunk and better working version of the patch. Scrolling seems to be working perfectly. I hope gmail doesn't eat this patch. = Add scrollwheel support to sam diff -r 5f1b36ecd9db src/cmd/samterm/main.c --- a/src/cmd/samterm/main.cTue Jun 09 09:26:13 2009 -0700 +++ b/src/cmd/sa

Re: [9fans] Guide to using Acme effectively?

2009-07-02 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 4:56 AM, Aaron W. Hsu wrote: > > Does anyone have any suggestions? > Perhaps only tangential to what you are after, but there are little scripts like ind, unind, quote, and powerful things like fmt, awk, etc. that you can process your text with. Simply type a pipe char and t

Re: [9fans] Guide to using Acme effectively?

2009-07-06 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: > On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 20:57:19 +0200 > cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote: > >> yeah... connecting terminals to warp energy plasma conduits >> seems to be a bad idea. > > Yeah, it's also a deeply wierd thing to do unless the terminals require at > l

Re: [9fans] my ts7200 port

2009-07-06 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 7:37 PM, ron minnich wrote: > I just ported the linux driver I'm interested in how hard this is, and how it might be made easier.

Re: [9fans] Fonts

2009-07-08 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 4:50 PM, John Floren wrote: > Remember, only heathens use ` to begin a quote. > > The enlightened use ' and " for all kinds of single and double quotes, > because you can copy/paste them anywhere and everybody sees them > properly. Also, few things in the world look worse tha

Re: [9fans] Fonts

2009-07-08 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 4:44 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: >> Speaking of that, is there a way to do the reverse, to get plan 9 >> Bigelow fonts that Linux can use? I'm sick of my browser not knowing >> that the character left of the 1 on my keyboard is an open-quote. > > maybe this is your problem: > >

Re: [9fans] Fonts

2009-07-08 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 5:47 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: >> > The enlightened use ' and " for all kinds of single and double quotes, >> > because you can copy/paste them anywhere and everybody sees them >> > properly. Also, few things in the world look worse than seeing a quote >> > done ``like this''

Re: [9fans] Fonts

2009-07-08 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 5:51 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: >> Yes, but with all the work in Acme and Sam, I've become quite >> accustomed to having ` look nice. It just makes the browser look out >> of place. It's not just the tick either, I'd like the browser font to >> generally look the same. > > tha

Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-10 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 1:46 PM, wrote: > > I'm tired of the perpetual September, after several years of being > polite and pointing people to the wiki and the archives. You could filter instead of bitching and contributing to the noise. > > Even Ghandi would have eventually gotten sick of peopl

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