[9fans] Newbie Question

2019-12-16 Thread Frank D. Engel, Jr.
Hi, I am hoping someone can help me with this. I am trying as an experiment to set up a small plan9 cluster as a set of computers in a VMWare environment. I am using the latest 9front distribution, and currently have two VMs booting plan9 with one network adapter each, on a private network (

Re: [9fans] Newbie Question

2019-12-16 Thread Frank D. Engel, Jr.
Thank you! When I tried bringing it up as a cpu server with auth enabled it did indeed make it past the errors. I'll see if I can work things out from there. On 12/16/19 2:27 PM, cinap_len...@felloff.net wrote: i believe that this is due to running a with service=terminal. this causes fact

Re: [9fans] Newbie Question

2019-12-18 Thread Frank D. Engel, Jr.
me to set one) for my "dom=9cluster", so I did manage to get past that one. I also noticed that if I retry from the bootargs prompt I get the additional message "ipconfig: dialicmp6: address in use", but I am guessing that is simply a leftover from the earlier attempt, and a

Re: [9fans] Newbie Question

2019-12-18 Thread Frank D. Engel, Jr.
I figured this one out...  I had missed adding the "-a tcp!*!564" option on the file server bootargs. Now it is working! On 12/18/19 6:57 PM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote: ok, I seem to have run into another one. I now have the file server booting as a cpu server with authenticatio

[9fans] Help with Interpretation

2020-01-05 Thread Frank D. Engel, Jr.
Hi, I am trying to learn how to work out the used/free space on the cwfs file systems on my 9front file server. The plan 9 primary partition has the following sub-partitions: 9fat - 100MB nvram - 512B other - 12.84GB fscache - 12.84GB fsworm - 64.21GB If I use con -C /srv/cwfs.cmd to run

Re: [9fans] Help with Interpretation

2020-01-05 Thread Frank D. Engel, Jr.
Thanks! I built the file server using a 32-bit 386 kernel but I think 64-bit CWFS was used?  I will try to figure out somehow which block size was selected, and that gives me something to work with. Looks like it is just under 1 GB used if I have the 4K block size, and just under 2 GB used i

[9fans] pi cpu server

2020-09-04 Thread Frank D. Engel, Jr.
I am trying to set up a standalone (sd card boot) 9front installation on a Raspberry Pi 3 (using the pi3/4 image) to boot as a cpu server, but I can't figure out where to put the service=cpu and bootargs=... options. The pi uses /n/pidos instead of /n/9fat, and I tried placing these in both co

Re: [9fans] pi cpu server

2020-09-04 Thread Frank D. Engel, Jr.
Thanks, that is what I was missing - I had them on separate lines. Now I need to puzzle through this "tlsclient: auth_proxy: auth_proxy rpc write: interrupted" error whenever I try to use rcpu to connect back to the server as a different user (from a drawterm connection).  If I just "rcpu" by

Re: [9fans] pi cpu server

2020-09-05 Thread Frank D. Engel, Jr.
Thanks, auth/debug was indeed useful. Somehow I missed the authdom= entry in /lib/ndb/local and it was complaining that it could not find an auth server for my authdom. I added that and rebooted, and now all is well. On 9/4/20 11:38 PM, o...@eigenstate.org wrote: Thanks, that is what I was

[9fans] 9front man page on ps doesn't seem to match up?

2020-09-16 Thread Frank D. Engel, Jr.
I was looking at the list of possible process statuses in the man page for the ps command on 9front and there are several different statuses I'm seeing on my system that are not in the list.  I am seeing Pread, Await and Rendez on the majority of my processes and Pwrite and Open on a few and no

Re: [9fans] 9front man page on ps doesn't seem to match up?

2020-09-17 Thread Frank D. Engel, Jr.
I see... That certainly could have been made less clear :-) Maybe it would have helped to have put "Syscall" in parenthesis or quotes or something; as it is it looks like the rest of the entries in the list and I took it to mean that "Syscall" (literally) could show up as a status. Thank y

Re: [9fans] p9f mention of 9front

2021-06-24 Thread Frank D. Engel, Jr.
I don't think the touchscreen technology has figured out how to distinguish between fingers yet. The rio environment would need to identify if you were using finger 1, 2 or 3 to tap on something so it would know if it was to move or resize the window, which context menu to open, etc... Eithe

Re: [9fans] Drawterm GPU (was: Software philosophy)

2021-08-22 Thread Frank D. Engel, Jr.
While not necessarily unwelcome as a possibility, I don't think GPU-based drawing/gaming is as relevant to this discussion (or as important of a goal for Plan 9 / 9front) as is GPU compute (GPGPU). The ability to leverage GPU resources across CPU servers for computation purposes would be of gr

Re: [9fans] UTF-8 characters in acme

2021-09-07 Thread Frank D. Engel, Jr.
Seems rather unlikely considering that UTF-8 was originally invented for Plan 9? Turns out it is the same as anywhere else in Plan 9 - tap ALT (not hold) then the letter x then the hex code for the rune you are trying to enter and a semicolon (if fewer than 6 hexadecimal nybbles). Example:

Re: [9fans] Drawterm GPU (was: Software philosophy)

2021-09-23 Thread Frank D. Engel, Jr.
Maybe /dev/gpgpu (general-purpose GPU) would be more to the point? On 8/22/21 2:50 PM, sirjofri wrote: 22.08.2021 20:25:12 o...@eigenstate.org: Quoth sirjofri : 22.08.2021 18:41:06 o...@eigenstate.org: Basically do software rendering on the GPU? Yes. Or software neural net evaluation on

Re: [9fans] Boot CD chokes

2021-12-28 Thread Frank D. Engel, Jr.
Partially to answer an earlier question and partially to emphasize just how different Plan 9 is: you "log out" by rebooting. On 12/28/21 12:35 PM, Duke Normandin wrote: On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 09:28:52 -0800 Eli Cohen wrote: if you're not accustomed to plan 9 Worst than that! I don't know squa

Re: [9fans] suggestion : new service targets for plan9

2022-01-28 Thread Frank D. Engel, Jr.
I was actually thinking of a somewhat different approach to providing a more modernized user interface. Consider that rio currently exports the required files for each window, which provide the same interface as the display driver underneath them. Now consider adding a new "control manager" f

Re: [9fans] building blocks speaking 9p

2022-01-29 Thread Frank D. Engel, Jr.
Apparently Linux includes drivers for tunneling IP over a USB connection (possibly to support mobile phones?  not sure...) Making host drivers compatible with these (if not already available) to share an IP stack and creating the equivalent device-side support for the "blocks" would allow 9P t

Re: [9fans] building blocks speaking 9p

2022-01-29 Thread Frank D. Engel, Jr.
on plan9 indicates that CDC support is already there but has not been tested; it may be that a good starting point is in place and getting this tested would provide the required support on the host side of things? On 1/29/22 6:56 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote: Apparently Linux includes drivers

Re: [9fans] building blocks speaking 9p

2022-01-29 Thread Frank D. Engel, Jr.
Ok, sorry for the triple-post, but since I can't seem to find that man page or usb/ether on my 9front install, I should probably provide my source: http://man.cat-v.org/plan_9/4/usb On 1/29/22 7:14 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote: Evidently there are two major standards: CDC, an officia

Re: [9fans] licence question

2022-02-04 Thread Frank D. Engel, Jr.
Students who rely on that will never really learn. From my perspective, most supposedly modern systems have been a bigger waste of time than some of the older ones. Windoze, Linux, etc. in some ways still have not caught up to features that Multics and Plan 9, among other systems, had to offe

Re: [9fans] 9front, git and mercurial.

2022-05-18 Thread Frank D. Engel, Jr.
Related question I can't seem to track down an answer to: I have a 9front cluster which was set up back when Mercurial was used, so that is what sysupdate is looking for. I finally realized that I am no longer seeing updates because 9front switched to git. How does one go about upgrading an

Re: [9fans] 9front, git and mercurial.

2022-05-18 Thread Frank D. Engel, Jr.
t; within /sys/src the first two lines say: changeset: 8493:c8bec6f5ee1e tag: tip Does that answer the question, or how do I go about obtaining that? On 5/18/22 2:30 PM, Kurt H Maier via 9fans wrote: On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 02:12:47PM -0400, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote: Related question

Re: [9fans] Aarch64 on labs|9legacy?

2022-05-21 Thread Frank D. Engel, Jr.
The compiler appears to be called 7c. adr, looking at the original email on this thread, it is not very clear what you are trying to ask? On 5/21/22 12:39 PM, o...@eigenstate.org wrote: Quoth Aram Hăvărneanu : Since Charles wrote the arm64 compiler, he can call it whatever he wants. a

Re: [9fans] different users for different system roles

2023-02-10 Thread Frank D. Engel, Jr.
I'm not sure what the prevailing wisdom on this is at this time, but for whatever it may be worth[less], my own small cluster I have set up with a separate host owner per system role (one for the file server, one for the auth server, and one used by both of my CPU servers).  I'm not currently u

Re: [9fans] Where can I find active Plan 9 communities for support and collaboration?

2024-08-04 Thread Frank D. Engel, Jr.
I for one have received quite a bit of help from this and the related 9front mailing list when I was getting started with 9front, but then I had more targeted questions as I had been doing what I could with reading man pages and other available documentation and mostly needed to fill in a few g

Re: [9fans] Vcard filesystem

2024-11-14 Thread Frank D. Engel, Jr.
That strategy worked particularly well on BeOS, which had database-like indexed extended attributes in its native filesystem. Individual "People" files basically stored all of the individual fields (phone number, etc.) as extended attributes of the files and they were indexed by the filesystem

Re: [9fans] NIX experience

2024-12-28 Thread Frank D. Engel, Jr.
Apple Silicon chips may be an interesting counter-example to your view of the architecture.  They work directly from system memory; data is not copied between different sets of memory or different areas in memory to make it available to the GPU.  Consequently the CPU and GPU work together much

Re: [9fans] Re: Using gpc and g77 in 9front

2024-12-11 Thread Frank D. Engel, Jr.
One thing to bear in mind is that it is not just the compiler you need to get working for a given language, but the runtime environment as well. If the porting work did not cover the runtime libraries for those languages, you may still have some work to do for that. On 12/11/24 03:44, mouad-

Re: [9fans] examples for setting up secstore for a laptop

2024-12-18 Thread Frank D. Engel, Jr.
I use it (in my 9front Pi cluster).  Works for me. It could probably use some improvement in terms of tools for managing the stored keys, plus I never figured out how to avoid needing to enter my secstore password twice instead of just once every time I log in, but it's not exactly broken.

[9fans] Re: NIX this morning

2025-02-09 Thread Frank D. Engel, Jr.
Two questions I am wondering about: 1. Is this still limited to x86 only, as I think was suggested on an earlier thread related to this effort, or has it been generalized to work across other CPU architectures? 2. As this evidently needs to be "enabled" by configuring processors to act as A

Re: [9fans] plan 9 for linux users

2025-02-22 Thread Frank D. Engel, Jr.
I view these driver identifier characters as being roughly the equivalent of the major device numbers used in UNIX/Linux systems behind the scenes, commonly accessed via the files under the /dev heirarchy. I don't think those numbers are really standardized either. On 2/22/25 04:10, tlaro...@