Re: [9fans] Raw Input Driver

2009-03-20 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
There's a kbdin device used by the usb keyboard driver to feed scan codes (from usb) to the kernel keyboard driver for processing. If you are modifying kbd to read scan codes as well, this may be relevant. On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Charles Forsyth wrote: > i think it is a mistake to rei

Re: [9fans] Raw Input Driver

2009-03-20 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
El 20/03/2009, a las 14:07, rogpe...@gmail.com escribió: 2009/3/20 Charles Forsyth : in the slow-network situation the thing you're responding to on the display might not be accurate (eg, feedback delayed) which low-level input merging won't address. true, but that's something that's re

Re: [9fans] Raw Input Driver

2009-03-20 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
Yes, you split the application. UI elements are kept at the terminal and the application at the CPU server. The input event generator knows what's the input, but it runs at the terminal. The only problem is to come up with a widget abstract and generic enough. El 20/03/2009, a las 14:07, rogp

Re: [9fans] Raw Input Driver

2009-03-20 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
I think it's possible. We have different apps. El 20/03/2009, a las 15:30, rogpe...@gmail.com escribió: 2009/3/20 Francisco J Ballesteros : El 20/03/2009, a las 14:07, rogpe...@gmail.com escribió: so you end up with a smart client or split application, which lack the same easy composab

Re: [9fans] Raw Input Driver

2009-03-20 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
But I think we have those widgets. For most (all?) cases. El 20/03/2009, a las 15:33, rogpe...@gmail.com escribió: 2009/3/20 Francisco J Ballesteros : Yes, you split the application. UI elements are kept at the terminal and the application at the CPU server. The input event generator knows

Re: [9fans] GSOC: Drawterm for the iPhone

2009-03-26 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
If we got o/live running on iPhone it wouldnt matter if you drop the connection. The layout and all the editing state is kept in the cpu server. Thus it's very much like a screen blank/ resume instead of a shutdown, reboot. On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 2:21 AM, Eric Van Hensbergen wrote: > Guess it

Re: [9fans] double click selects a word

2009-04-07 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
In omero double click does the same, and triple is more hungry. You could try that modifying your local system El 06/04/2009, a las 16:55, fors...@terzarima.net escribió: Double clicking e.g. on 'text.txt' only selects 'text' or 'txt', while one usually wants the whole. The same with abso

Re: [9fans] double click selects a word

2009-04-08 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
The one included in the octopus should be trivial. El 08/04/2009, a las 17:56, rminn...@gmail.com escribió: On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Francisco J Ballesteros > wrote: In omero double click does the same, and triple is more hungry. You could try that modifying your local system

Re: [9fans] noweb and literal programming

2009-04-11 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
I implemented a mkernel using noweb. In the end, I think it's harder to follow than placing the code and doc appart. Probably a religious issue. El 11/04/2009, a las 0:43, rudolf.syk...@gmail.com escribió: Hello, I've been thinking about 'well documented programs' and come across the 'nowe

Re: [9fans] Plan9 - the next 20 years

2009-04-17 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
Well, in the octopus you have a fixed part, the pc, but all other machines come and go. The feeling is very much that your stuff is in the cloud. I mean, not everything has to be dynamic. El 17/04/2009, a las 22:17, eri...@gmail.com escribió: On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 2:43 PM, wrote: On Fr

Re: [9fans] Plan9 - the next 20 years

2009-04-20 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
I did the experiment, for the o/live, of issuing multiple (9p) RPCs in parallel, without waiting for answers. In general it was not enough, because in the end the client had to block and wait for the file to come before looking at it to issue further rpcs. On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Skip

Re: [9fans] No Boot from installCD on IBM xserver 305

2009-05-19 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
Is anyone using usb cdroms? (with other systems, I mean). Just curious. On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 1:05 AM, wrote: > Ignore the complaint about the BIOS; it's a red herring.  Lots of > BIOSes have bugs that prevent 9load from booting through them, but > unless you're attempting to boot from bios0 o

Re: [9fans] sources down?

2009-05-22 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
sources.lsub.org is avaiable just by using 9fs. But it's probably better to wait for the real thing. There are also several other mirrors IIRC that have been posted to this list. On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 1:42 AM, Eric Van Hensbergen wrote: > On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Rudolf Sykora > wro

Re: [9fans] persuade contrib/install to work

2009-05-26 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
I think it would be better for contrib to do something like test -d /n/sources/plan9 || 9fs sources 9fs sources should probably mount sources, always. On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:07 PM, sqweek wrote: > 2009/5/26 Rudolf Sykora : >> How can I persuade contrib/install to use what I've already had und

Re: [9fans] new usb implementation

2009-05-28 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
Hot plug of disks kbs and mice should work fine as expected. It's been tested El 28/05/2009, a las 13:17, kokam...@hera.eonet.ne.jp escribió: On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 5:52 AM, Shaowei Wang (wsw) > wrote: Is this news mean we can hotplug the usb mouse and keyboard? yes. Theoretically, you

Re: [9fans] state of the mirrors

2009-06-01 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
I'll take a look to the lsub mirror. BTW, our main file server is pulling changes from our mirror (which is updated daily) and not directly from sources, and I did a pull something like two or three days ago and didn't see anything wrong. In any case, I'd wait for sources. We do use sources.lsub.

Re: [9fans] plan 9 regexp

2009-06-03 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
I have a ssam script that does the work. But it's not really streaming. El 04/06/2009, a las 1:36, jrm8...@gmail.com escribió: Speaking of regexes in Plan 9, did the "structural awk" or "stream sam" Rob dreamed of in the SE paper ever get realized? [/mail/box/nemo/msgs/200906/41493]

Re: [9fans] new usb implementation

2009-06-08 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
Can you send me (off list) the contents of /dev/usb/ctl ? Also, it would help if you could run usb/usbd with debug (see the man page or drop me a line) and send me the output as well. On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Pavel Klinkovsky wrote: > I install the newest Plan9 image (2009-06-08) in my old

Re: [9fans] new usb implementation

2009-06-08 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
I think someone managed to boot from usb, but I´m not sure. In any case, the change means that usb is ready at boot(8) time if usbd is compiled in the kernel. Booting from usb requires 9load loading a kernel from usb. I don´t know what´s the status for that. On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Matthia

Re: [9fans] Different representations of the same file/resource in a synthetic FS

2009-06-09 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
With mail2fs I leave messages alone and use all kinds of mail lists that contain just relative paths to actual messages. Perhaps nupas could do the same. El 09/06/2009, a las 20:11, quans...@quanstro.net escribió: On Tue Jun 9 13:28:55 EDT 2009, mirtchov...@gmail.com wrote: I think I've me

Re: [9fans] new usb implementation

2009-06-10 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
I suspect that mouse requires using the report protocol (most mice are fine with the boot protocol, which is what kb uses). I'll write a variant of the driver using the report protocol just to be sure that's the problem, but It'll have to wait a few days. On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Pavel K

Re: [9fans] new usb implementation

2009-06-10 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
Ok. In any case, if there's any other mouse that does not work. Please, let me know. I'm trying to get a mouse exactly like yours. On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Pavel Klinkovsky wrote: >> I'll write a variant of the driver using the report protocol just to be >> sure that's the problem, but It'

Re: [9fans] simple question: multiple rename

2009-06-16 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
We always use trfs in the 9fs script. It's so convenient that we forgot it's there. I think it's in contrib. Otherwise let me know. El 16/06/2009, a las 17:58, j...@csplan9.rit.edu escribió: On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 08:00:44 -0400 erik quanstrom wrote: note that this won't work if the filenames

Re: [9fans] Google finally announces their lightweight OS

2009-07-08 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
> > ACPI will never, ever, ever happen, so people better get over it (and > if anyone is naive enough to waste their time trying, it will end up > as a useless atrocious mess that wont boot even in a 100th of the > systems out there, much less suspend or do anything useful). > I've been wasting t

Re: [9fans] Google finally announces their lightweight OS

2009-07-08 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
> > Another person in Plan 9 has been working on an AML interpreter that > presents the ADT in a filesystem (at least, that was what I envisioned > and explained to him). I believe he has also contacted you regarding > some USB ethernet device, so perhaps you two will want to work > together to som

Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-12 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 12:58 AM, Andreas Eriksen wrote: > There is a list of tested usb sound cards at > http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/Supported_PC_hardware/index.html > Beware, some of the ones working before might not work now (All I tested work, but who knows), and some that did no

Re: [9fans] nemo's book - where is it currently hosted?

2009-07-13 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
I'm sorry but during this weekend we had a power down that we have scheduled once a year in the entire building. Things should be back online now. On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 11:19 PM, james toy wrote: > Corey > > ==8<== >> "Introduction to OS abstractions using Plan 9 from Bell Labs" >> >> Two previ

Re: [9fans] Why does Acme only show text?

2009-07-15 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
This is funny: O/live supports both images and text. *but* It's been months ago that I do not use it any longer to display images but only for text. That way I may have more screen surface for text. Would the same happen to acme? Or perhaps it's me. On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 7:00 PM, John Floren wro

Re: [9fans] new usb stack and implicit timeouts

2009-07-19 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
THere are some disks that do not respond to the controller after they crash. Also, RPCs carrying ctl requests to the devices may not respond either in some devices. I thought it was for sure an error when control and bulk requests took more than a while. Right now I´m not so sure regarding bulk tr

Re: [9fans] new usb stack and implicit timeouts

2009-07-19 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
> other end has something to send.  Have you seen anything in the USB > spec which indicates a timeout for reading from a bulk pipe is > appropriate? > No. All devices I had tested at that time required a time out. Ethernet came later. I think it's better to remove the timeout from bulk endpoints

Re: [9fans] new usb stack and implicit timeouts

2009-07-19 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
> There's already a general way to time out any read/write operation > alarm() and notify().  Why add a special case option for one particular > type of file?  I would say just remove it. > You're right. I'll do so.

Re: [9fans] new usb stack and implicit timeouts

2009-07-19 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
that's what I understood. In any case I'll run the code through all devices I have before sending any usb patch. I'm still not sure that some disks currently working won't cease working if they do their own timeouts. I just want to be sure. I placed timeouts there only when I found uncooperative

Re: [9fans] new usb stack and implicit timeouts

2009-07-19 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 5:46 PM, wrote: > http://www.beyondlogic.org/usbnutshell/usb6.htm#SetupPacket > IIRC, I think the host controller is responsible for timing out requests sent to the device (I refer to setup packets), but my uchi does not. In any case, I don't think anyone wants to remove t

Re: [9fans] dcp - a deep copy script, better than dircp

2009-07-19 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
<{echo +} works just fine. On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 8:16 PM, Richard Miller<9f...@hamnavoe.com> wrote: >> i keep /tmp/allproto around with the contents of '+'. > > There's also one in /sys/lib/sysconfig/proto/allproto, > but that takes longer to type. > > >

Re: [9fans] i/o on a hangup channel asymmetry

2009-07-19 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
Bescause consumers produce pipeline results why producers do not? ls | wc > /tmp/nfiles I want nfiles to be ok. however ls | date should probably let ls die as soon as date completes > > Why inequality? > > Thanks, > Roman. > > >

Re: [9fans] new usb stack and implicit timeouts

2009-07-20 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
wrote: > Pardon me if this is totally ignorant, but can't we just have a ctl > message to control a timeout, which applications may then set on their > own? > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 3:12 AM, Gorka Guardiola wrote: >> On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Francisco J Ballestero

Re: [9fans] new usb stack and implicit timeouts

2009-07-21 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
In the end, I'm going to let the user driver issue a timeout control request to devusb to activate timeouts if desired. Instead of forcing it to rely on alarm/threadnotify. The main reason is that the FS machinery used by some drivers may use different processes for different requests. Using notif

Re: [9fans] Does "as little software as possible" include a modern browser?

2009-07-22 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
let´s rewrite everything in Ada. We can use the distributed systems annex in a cloud. On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 1:19 AM, Charles Forsyth wrote: >>if there is no real browser for the platform, >>how will Plan 9 participate in the "cloud computing" (r)evolution? > > not using a browser. > careful now.

Re: [9fans] plan9port tools speed

2009-07-24 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
Think about shared libraries in linux. > > Moreover, the executables in plan9/bin are bigger. Again, plan9's 'grep' is > 40% bigger:

Re: [9fans] troff: references

2009-07-27 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
Just to check out... Anyone writing spanish documents using troff on Plan 9? If so, please, drop me a line off-list. It's likely we have similar problems :) thanks On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 12:26 PM, wrote: > >> lbl from >> http://www.ugu.com/sui/ugu/show?I=ftware.roff&F &G=worked > > ht

Re: [9fans] USB HDD connection problem

2009-08-05 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
It seems you dont have usbd running. El 05/08/2009, a las 17:51, bval...@gmail.com escribió: Hi, I have a problem with connecting USB HDD. When i plug it in, i get this error message: /boot/usbd: /dev/usb/ep5.0: port 8: opendev: can't open endpoint /dev/usb/ep7.0: '/dev/usb' file does not exis

Re: [9fans] USB Input Devices Support

2009-08-18 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
Also, usb keyboard/mouse start at boot using a `boot protocol', IIRC, they look to software as older keyboard/mouse as long as you don't touch the usb bus. One way to go would be to remove usb code during install, but I didn't try this as don't know if it will work on your machine. On Sun, Aug 16,

Re: [9fans] USB HDD connection problem

2009-08-19 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
there has been an update on usb software recently. the old kernel driver was called #U, the new one is #u. Tools like usb/usbd and usb/disk changed as well. Do you still have the problem? I'm just reading the mail thread and don't understand why /srv/usb is not there. It should. can you ls '#u' ?

Re: [9fans] Using cwfs

2009-08-27 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
The disk and controllers are doing almost nothing regarding suspend. that's a bug. we'll have to go again over it to add the bits needed to handle suspend/resume of usb ports and devices in the right way. regarding the error I don't know what it could be. but in any case it shouldn't be %r as Eri

Re: [9fans] Interested in improving networking in Plan 9

2009-08-31 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
Hmmm. we did that for FS processes on Plan B. I mean, keep a dynamic version of a registry. It kept the list of volumes available at a central place. I think it can be used as is on Plan 9, without changes. There was a program (I think it was called adsrv; not sure, it´s on the Plan B man pages)

Re: [9fans] "Blocks" in C

2009-09-02 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
IMHO, I'd say C is C and I think it's better to leave it as it is. If you want a language with extra features you can probably find one. On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Anant Narayanan wrote: > Mac OS 10.6 introduced a new C compiler frontend (clang), which added > support for "blocks" in C [1].

[9fans] 9intro book in lulu

2009-09-02 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
Hi, as you may know, the Introduction to OS Abstractions book (aka 9intro) is avail in pdf in various places from the web. It will continue that way, btw. But, as some asked for that and I think it's nice, it's also available at lulu.com. This is the url. http://www.lulu.com/content/paperback-bo

Re: [9fans] replacing sources

2009-09-03 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
Thanks a lot for maintaining it and for all the burden. On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 11:12 PM, wrote: > I plan to replace sources with haggis (which will take the name > sources) during the afternoon of Tuesday, Sept. 8th.  I will take a > final dump of sources, shut it down, change the dns, initialis

Re: [9fans] bluetooth

2009-09-23 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
If it's useful, I'd love to beta test or alpha test or whatever. thanks a lot for your effort!

Re: [9fans] IWP9 hack session

2009-10-06 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
I'm interested, but don't have one yet :( On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:50 PM, ron minnich wrote: > I'd like to have a hack session the wed. morning before IWP9. > > What I'd like to propose is a sheeva plugfest. People commit to bringing a > plug > and we get them set up to run Plan 9. > > Any inter

Re: [9fans] IWP9 hack session

2009-10-06 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
I'll try to get an european version here. But have to check out that I can get it on time. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:04 PM, ron minnich wrote: > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Francisco J Ballesteros > wrote: >> I'm interested, but don't have one yet :( > >

Re: [9fans] usb/print problem since last update

2009-10-13 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
Have you updated your kernel? We increased the size of the max ctl request in both the usb library and also in usb[ueo]hci.c You seem to have a new library but an old kernel. The library is asking for more max size than the kernel can afford now. I'm sorry, I should have teached the kernel how t

Re: [9fans] usb/print problem since last update

2009-10-13 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
I think it should. But let me know if the problem persists. thanks On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 7:51 PM, Akshat Kumar wrote: > I haven't updated the kernels. Will do. > > Furrthamoa... > With the old usb/print (and the old kernel stuff), I get this > each time I try to print: > > cat: write error cop

Re: [9fans] usb/print problem since last update

2009-10-15 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
Please, enable debug and send me the output off-list. thanks On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Akshat Kumar wrote: > I haven't been able to test printing yet, but with > the new Kernel and tools, my terminal needs to > be rebooted each time I disconnect and reconnect > the printer USB (or turn p

Re: [9fans] anyone in?

2009-10-20 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
We are in. Holiday Inn Express. On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 1:13 AM, John Floren wrote: > Anyone in yet? > > -- > "Object-oriented design is the roman numerals of computing" -- Rob Pike > >

Re: [9fans] usb disk error

2009-10-20 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
Can you get the error with the old version of the code? Nothing really changed, the disk should be asking for timeouts IIRC. On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:33 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: > i don't recall getting these before.  this seems > like new behavior.  i got 4 of these when downloading > 4gb of

Re: [9fans] So quiet!

2009-10-25 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
it was just great. thank u all. I'll order a sheevaplug. it's so fast :) On Sunday, October 25, 2009, ron minnich wrote: > I thought it was just wonderful, and noticed similar reactions from > everyone else. It was a very fine meeting. > > And the hack sessions in the evening were extremely usefu

Re: [9fans] Two suggestions for ape (was: egrep for Plan9)

2009-10-27 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
the oskit was a great tool. Only that if you wanted to use some component, in the end, most of them had to be pulled into. On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Tim Newsham wrote: >> Wasn't there an "OS kit" or something like that with drivers derived >> from Linux one's at some moment? Found this so

Re: [9fans] pxeload nvram

2009-11-02 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
iirc it's ok to put the nvram in a USB disk dongle. On 02/11/2009, at 18:59, 9...@9netics.com wrote: i need to pxeboot several cpus -- remote sensors -- with only usb storage. here's an old thread for the same thing. is there a solution? http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.plan9/browse_thre

Re: [9fans] pxeload nvram

2009-11-02 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
iirc you could put nvram=/dev/sdU... in plan9.ini. On 02/11/2009, at 20:52, 9...@9netics.com wrote: iirc it's ok to put the nvram in a USB disk dongle. how is it specified? i can't find any references. [/mail/box/nemo/msgs/200911/113]

Re: [9fans] usbd and boot

2009-11-12 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
I tried this on one machine and it worked. I'll keep trying to see if that's just that machine which works. I'd like to get debug output (usbdebug=2) for a machine hang. On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 5:48 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: > On Thu Nov 12 11:46:36 EST 2009, quans...@quanstro.net wrote: >> > I

Re: [9fans] usbd and boot

2009-11-12 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
Ok. thanks. If I find out what's wrong I'll drop you a line a send a patch. On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 10:28 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: > On Thu Nov 12 13:36:19 EST 2009, n...@lsub.org wrote: >> I tried this on one machine and it worked. >> I'll keep trying to see if that's just that machine which wo

Re: [9fans] geode / geode companion CS5536

2009-11-16 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
so far USB does not work on arms and I think that's what you see here. we are working on it. On 17/11/2009, at 02:19, news...@lava.net wrote: Plan9 (stock kernel with minimal patching) doesnt seem to come up with support for many devices for the OLPC. This is a Geode- based computer. In the a

Re: [9fans] geode / geode companion CS5536

2009-11-17 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
sorry. as you told me off list it's an ia32 Mach. got confussed. On 17/11/2009, at 08:14, n...@lsub.org wrote: so far USB does not work on arms and I think that's what you see here. we are working on it. On 17/11/2009, at 02:19, news...@lava.net wrote: Plan9 (stock kernel with minimal pat

Re: [9fans] usb disks in plan9

2009-11-22 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
Usb disks don't know how to handle partitions. You have to use partfs IIRC or some other tool to partition it. Regarding the problem with current sources, it's weird. What do you see in #u/usb/ctl when you plug your disk into? What does usbd say when you run it with debug enabled? Is there any mes

Re: [9fans] usb disks in plan9

2009-11-22 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
I don't get timeouts here. can you check that sw built from sources one month old do work and that sw built from current ones do not? (both kernel and user code for USB). if you can tell me an interval when the thing broke for your devices I can try to guess why and do something. On 22/11/2009,

Re: [9fans] after a recent pull ...

2009-11-25 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
That would be great. I'm just using two clumsy ad-hoc scripts, but I think everyone using contrib needs these two things. On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 9:01 PM, ron minnich wrote: > Maybe this could be added to the contrib system. > > contrib/pull with no args pulls all contribs that I already pulled >

Re: [9fans] usb disks in plan9

2009-11-26 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
usb/disk knows how to handle units. Some devices provide their units to handle parts. Regarding partitions, usb/disk does not know how to handle partitions. And it's likely it will never do. The plan is to use a different driver that knows how to handle partitions and use that driver for everythin

Re: [9fans] 9p resource sharing [was: Scanners]

2009-11-26 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
we found it's a lot easier doing it like in the octopus. we'll be happy to discuss any of it. On 26/11/2009, at 21:34, news...@lava.net wrote: I personally would like to see a lot more in the way of remote resource access using 9p and I'm working towards that by writing software for windows, li

Re: [9fans] remote usb?

2009-12-04 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
usbd is part of the play. it has to enumerate and recover from errors. appart from that you can export #u, but don't use another usbd on it. one is enough. just start your driver. if you can, it may be better to export the driver fs instead. On 04/12/2009, at 22:48, news...@lava.net wrote: Do

Re: [9fans] ideas for helpful system io functions

2009-12-05 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
I guess the question is, is this the easy way to address the problem you try to solve? Or is it a solution seeking for a problem? You could just forward the data to the new process. Is there a performance problem here? If you insist on 'unreading', you could just put a front-end process that keeps

Re: [9fans] SheevaPlug

2009-12-05 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
ours is still on its way, from globalscale tech. They took at least 3 weeks to ship our order. Finally they did, but as I said, still on the way, despite choosing a good delivery. But that may be only when you buy from europe. On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 7:29 AM, Don Bailey wrote: > So, what is everyo

Re: [9fans] ideas for helpful system io functions

2009-12-05 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
the impression that it's not worth to experiment, I apologize. that's not what I tried to say. On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 5:32 PM, ron minnich wrote: > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 3:44 AM, Francisco J Ballesteros wrote: > >> If you insist on 'unreading', you could just pu

Re: [9fans] ideas for helpful system io functions

2009-12-07 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
Hmmm. That's what a cat device do, only that it does so by looking at the sizes and not at eof indications. Also, it depends on seek pos., which wont work for streams. Perhaps a streamcat, although I don't like to have cats and streamcats. Perhaps yet another option. fs is already larger than it

Re: [9fans] ideas for helpful system io functions

2009-12-07 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
I think he wants copyfile + a kproc. On 07/12/2009, at 15:37, rogpe...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/7 Sam Watkins : I meant for example if a process is reading from its stdin a open file 'A' and writing to stdout the input of a pipe 'B', rather than looping and forwarding data it may simply "jo

Re: [9fans] ideas for helpful system io functions

2009-12-07 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
It seems that changing a bit fs(3) can suffice and is generic enough for all usages required. In the end it might result in code removed instead of adding code, but time will tell. As of today, it's only an experiment. On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 5:10 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: >> fs is already larger

Re: [9fans] ideas for helpful system io functions

2009-12-07 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
the idea is that if fs knows enough to handle partitions like we are accustomed to, then partitioning code can be removed from everywhere else (but for compat) and existing tools used to handle partitions (e.g., fdisk) very much like they are used now. Either way, It's not standalone, in one case

Re: [9fans] trouble with /dev/reboot and mp irqs

2009-12-08 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
the shutdown code is new and might be wrong. worked here. I'll double check. On 08/12/2009, at 16:59, quans...@quanstro.net wrote: using "echo reboot $kernel>/dev/reboot" with mp irqs, i'm getting one of three conditions 1. a normal and very quick start of the new kernel. (one odd bit: lapicerr

Re: [9fans] usb keyboard not responding

2009-12-09 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
It seems your device is not accepting its address. Any back-compat option in the bios you can switch on/off ? was it a warm reboot, or a cold one? Drop me a line off-list with the info and I'll try to help. On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 6:29 AM, Abhishek Kulkarni wrote: > I've got a relatively newer m

Re: [9fans] a faster contrib(1)

2009-12-10 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
Why .iso.bz2? Wasn't .tgz enough? Just wondering. On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Federico G. Benavento wrote: > hola, > > we've been thinking about making contrib faster for some time > now and we finally got something significantly speed improvemnets. > > It still uses replica but instead of

Re: [9fans] Sheevaplug

2009-12-14 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
Ours is finally in Spain, at customs. Knowing our bureaucracy, it may still take a week or two to get my hands on it. When it comes I'll take a look to usb there. In someone can't wait before we try, I think it's a matter of getting the controller initialized properly (and the ports reset). Look

[9fans] parallels

2010-01-08 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
Anyone tried Plan 9 on Parallels 4? It seems it has full acpi support and I was thinking on using it for debugging, but I wouldn´t like to buy it if Plan 9 does not work on it. thanks

Re: [9fans] parallels

2010-01-08 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
sorry, I meant Parallels 5. On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Francisco J Ballesteros wrote: > Anyone tried Plan 9 on Parallels 4? > > It seems it has full acpi support and I was > thinking on using it for debugging, but I wouldn´t > like to buy it if Plan 9 does not work on it. > > thanks >

Re: [9fans] No USB hotswap, except when booting with USB plugged in

2010-01-09 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
I have an unrelated fix from erik that has not been integrated yet (my fault) but otherwise, sources USB is what we have so far. I couldnt reproduce your problem here and dont know exactly how to fix it. It problably has to do with bios hand off or initialization. could those with problems send m

Re: [9fans] parallels

2010-01-09 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
Just to confirm what Geoff said. Parallels 5 works like a charm with Plan 9. Also, it seems to have full ACPI support, not that this is important for Plan 9 yet. Thanks On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 3:53 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: >> I've heard nothing but bad things about VirtualBox. Mostly from Plan

Re: [9fans] parallels

2010-01-09 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
Yep. I just wanted a version with full acpi support, and it seems that version 5 was what I wanted. that's handy to debug acpi code. but yes, it requires a mac. On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Joseph Stewart wrote: > Just to clarify... Parallels 5 requires a Mac. There are howerver, older > ver

Re: [9fans] 9p question: rationale for some missing POSIX-like operations and features

2010-01-22 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
There's a nice paper "The use of namespaces in plan 9" explaining most of it. On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 11:00 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: >>     A) Why aren't there the following (POSIX) file operations: `move`, >> `link` and `symlink` in the original 9p2000 protocol version? >> >>     Now I know th

Re: [9fans] vgaradeon (was Re: Problem of last update?)

2010-01-27 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
In parallels I have 1920x... using the vesa driver. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 7:09 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: >> My long-term goal is to eliminate all the vga drivers but vgavesa, >> which make up about 10% of the pc kernel port by line count.  This may >> not be possible due to currently-working g

[9fans] skip mail

2010-02-17 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
I've been trying for days to reply a mail to skip. it bounces. Sorry to post this here, but I don't know how else let skip now.

Re: [9fans] skip mail

2010-02-17 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
i stand corrected :) On 17/02/2010, at 22:27, Charles Forsyth wrote: I don't know how else let skip now. facebook?

Re: [9fans] sheevaplug port available

2010-02-25 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
That's great. no progress here so far on that front. It's still on my todo list but not on the top of the stack. If it's urgent for anyone, let me know. On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 9:22 PM, wrote: > usb has advanced a little; we can see usb devices now but attempts to > read or write them hang.  I

Re: [9fans] About usb mouse wheel

2010-02-26 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
This requires changing ptrwork() in kb.c The wheel works for some mice I have, and is reported by |0x80 or |0x10 in said function. It might be your mice reports the wheel in some other way. You might just add a print to see what bytes your mouse sends. (bytes given by robustread to ptrwork()).

Re: [9fans] (no subject)

2010-03-08 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
At lsub we are doing a bit of work on a db for linux. To make a long story short, autoconf/automake/xmkmf/whatelse? made the code so non portable that a particular version of suse is now necessary to run the thing. Isn't that the opposite of what auto* was trying to achieve? I'd just say: say no.

Re: [9fans] rc strings

2010-03-11 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
cant you just use $"n ? On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 12:43 PM, hugo rivera wrote: > Hi, > > % n=`{echo 'a           b'} > > sets n to a list containing two elements, 'a' and 'b'. How can I set n > to a single string 'a           b'? note that I must execute external > commands, so the obvious solutio

Re: [9fans] usb regression

2010-03-15 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
That's weird, I didn't change anything recently. Do you know which change in sources broke your device? On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 1:27 AM, erik quanstrom wrote: > i am now unable to copy more than about 10mb at a time > off the usb sd reader i've been using.  usb/disk isn't just quitting, > the en

Re: [9fans] usb regression

2010-03-15 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
usually, unplug, then plug. Otherwise you involve even usbd and the kernel on the process (you can do a port reset). The port reset code is in, but IIRC, only the keyboard is using it so far. It's a quite hard measure, so I'd prefer not to do a port reset unless we are desperated. On Mon, Mar 15

Re: [9fans] usb regression

2010-03-15 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
Ouch. Ok. I'll add a port reset upon babling errors for disk drives as soon as I have a bit of time for that. If it's urgent for you let me know. On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 5:06 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: > On Mon Mar 15 10:45:48 EDT 2010, n...@lsub.org wrote: >> usually, unplug, then plug. >> >> Oth

Re: [9fans] Creating new mail users; mail -c

2010-03-22 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
It would help being able to "append" to a directory, i.e., being able to create new files but not to, say, remove, already created files. mail2fs has the same problem. I run it from a cron on my name, thus my folders have 770 or 775 and not 777. But, if you want to run this, say, as user none, you

Re: [9fans] native install

2010-03-24 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
About 4 * 40 here (students) plus our terminals and servers (4, 5 people, depends). On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com> wrote: >> I'm glad there's another person out there with 4 machines running plan 9. > > Six here.  Only three actually switched on at this moment

Re: [9fans] quote o' the day

2010-03-25 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
As a example for our students we use http://git.savannah.gnu.org/gitweb/?p=coreutils.git;a=blob;f=src/cat.c;hb=HEAD versus http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/plan9/sys/src/cmd/cat.c In fact, we have both printed on paper hanging from the wall of the corridor near our office. Let's hope they lea

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