Re: [techtalk] uptimes ... ;)
> To answer your question. > There is no way to upgrade a kernel without rebooting the machine. actually, nowadays SUNs are bootable without loosing uptime. it's really weird, but i guess that's a nice feature, but it requires some kind of magic before booting. sara ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] uptimes ... ;)
> actually, nowadays SUNs are bootable without loosing uptime. it's > really weird, but i guess that's a nice feature, but it requires some > kind of magic before booting. err, something made me hit 'send' before finishing the email. in our tech-section we have this joke about booting suns without loosing uptime. one computer was supposed to be booted. at some point everyone started asking why it hadn't been booted, since it's uptime was still high and this guy came like 'what? didn't you know there's this new feature in sun?' and he went on telling us how he had booted it without loosing it's uptime etc. for a second we (really, including also others than me :> ) believed there was some feature or hack or magic word that could do that. for a second he almost got us ;) anyway, unfortunately it wasn't true ;) sara ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Sick of surf and porn addicts
On Sun, 27 May 2001, Kai MacTane wrote: > At 5/26/01 08:28 PM , Penguina wrote: > > > Viewable by all! Only problem is the privacy issue. She may not be > > > *allowed* to do that. > > > >Just put it in a passworded area (see the .htaccess thread) and only > >give the password to the responsible people. Anyone who thinks this > >is invasive, try keeping a company of your own afloat with employees > >who surf and do private email on company time -- then get back to me. > > I agree with you that monitoring employees' access may be necessary on > occasion, but the original poster may be forbidden *by EU law* from > doing this. s/may be/is/. One of the few things the EU has actually got right, IMHO... > (Which may mean that the EU law is going to get lobbied against, heavily, > by businesses in the near future... but doesn't help the original poster at > the moment.) The law has been there for 17 years without complaint now... I doubt anyone is going to start caring now. At least enough to change the minds of the (unaccountable, unelected) bureaucrats who wrote those rules! James. ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Sick of surf and porn addicts
On Mon, 28 May 2001, Penguina wrote: > (I'm taking out the attribution here, because the debate is about the > ideas, not who said them) Attribution is still relevant, and it's rather rude to anonymise others... > > > Or if I'm working in the same office and offensive material is on display > > > on someone else's PC, I'm not involved in any "unauthorised access" but I > > > could be the object of harassment dur to the display of such material. > > > > If it's on display (i.e. visible to others), that's another matter; I was > > meaning the contents of the user's home directory or whatever, which is > > private to that individual. Obviously, the level of privacy of each user's > > PC will vary from place to place: I tend to think in terms of individual > > offices/cubicles, where what the user does on the PC is private unless > > they have a visitor. > > I don't think that the person who pays the rent on the office space, > financed the PCs and pays for the bandwidth every month would feel > the same way. We aren't talking about the EMPLOYER here, but about other people. Of course the employer can set certain limits on usage, subject to respecting those users' privacy - the point is that others who happen to be in the area do NOT have any control over each other. Just as a company is free to ban personal 'phone calls, or charge for them, but not to record them, the company can prohibit WWW surfing, or charge users for the bandwidth they use - but logging what users do is a violation of their privacy. Usage logs must not be made available to ANYONE without a court order (that bit's a legal requirement, BTW). James. ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Bad surfing habbits part two
On Sun, 27 May 2001, Elizabeth wrote: > Liese wrote: > > > > > James wrote : > > "Beware of driving your users to using a webmail service, though; if you > > stop them using your mail system, they could switch to Hotmail or similar." > > I have disabled Hotmail (and others) on our proxy server. This has saved us > > huge amount of surfing time.. :) Really, some users were on this site for > > more then 200 hours a month, refreshing often. > > mail.yahoo.com is the yahoo mail site. Maybe if you disallowed all > the others but allowed this one domain than people could use that? AIUI, Liese's aim was specifically to prevent access to webmail! > That way, they can use the mail, but not peruse the incredibly huge > amount of other features that yahoo intices people with. Is their a > similar domain for hotmail or is it the huge query string dealy? Hotmail is just a mail service - the other services live under the MSN brand. > If they had access to the other mail services, maybe that would > prevent them from hogging all of your bandwidth. On the contrary: it would be much WORSE! Instead of mail to each other being purely internal - i.e. not touching external bandwidth - every single e-mail check would generate external Net traffic! > It might also encourage them to access all the questionable emails > through those services. Um, the aim is to stop them using those services in the first place ;-) > > Greetings, > > liese > > > > Ps: im sorry for the occasional spelling error.. english isnt my native > > language.. > > > I didn't even notice. :-) I've seen worse from natives, certainly - I'd say the English was good by any standards, second language or not! James. ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Sick of surf and porn addicts
Whoa!!! Let's not get the legal system present in the US of A confused with he Rest of the World! I realize that the spin in Washington is that 'Everyone Should Work Like US...", but it's just no so. I am hosting an exchange student from Germany this year. When I poked amongst the files in the home computer and asked Katharina about deleting some of the extra files to conserve space, I got an irate reply from her parents, forwarded by the exchange student coordinator. She complained to her folks, they contacted the German embassy, they contacted ASSE and I was "requested" to not violate Kathi's privacy as looking in her Email directory would be a criminal offense in Germany, possibly earning me a stay in the slam! Another case, this one thru a coworker. In the process of trying to track down an unsolicited advertiser, getting nothing though their EU ISP he contacted their local Consulate and was rebuffed. It seems that sending E-Scams is not illegal from an individual and is only discouraged from a company. That same action from an individual in the US of A would have gotten an unfriendly visit from the FBI or similar group, the hard drive and/or computer would have been seized, etc... Not knowing what kind of Porn was/is being downloaded it's hard to say how much of a problem it is/was. My pictures of my nephew in the bath got me in trouble with a member of our church, with even the suggestions that pix of my brother bathing his 6-month-old son were "Dirty". Matthew was, but now he's clean (for an hour or so anyway) Oh well, back into my hole here. I'll get the immediate disasters under control and actually get Caldera installed one of these millennia... 73, Wm. Keith Hibbert, WB2VUO, Technical Coordinator, WNY Section, ARRL ARRL Life Member, President/Brockport Amateur Radio Klub Ph - 716.494.1239 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
[techtalk] NTP and SNTP
Despite the fact that my problem involves a couple of SCO OpenServers and an NT4 Workstation I hope someone can give me little more insight into NTP and/or SNTP. My setup: 1 OpenServer which acts as time source 3 OpenServers which synchronize their clocks to the first one. 1 NT4 Workstation which tries to synchronize to the first OpenServer. All Unix machines are running xntpd, and the NT machine is running either timeserv or Tardis which use SNTP. The Unix machines are all configured the same way: RTC and System Clock run local time, timezone is CET (+1) and they're compensating for daylight savings time (DST). The NT machine is configured similarly. My problem is that: All Unix machines get the correct time from the master server, but the Workstation gets one hour ahead. And now... the question: As I understand it NTP distributes time as UTC so it isn't affected by local time zones. But, does DST affect UTC? And, can anyone of you spot any immediate errors in the master configuration file? server 127.127.1.1# LCL (Local Clock) fudge 127.127.1.1 stratum 12 # increase stratum driftfile /etc/ntp.drift logconfig =syncevents +peerevents +sysevents +allclock /Hans __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Sick of surf and porn addicts
On Mon, 28 May 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Another case, this one thru a coworker. In the process of trying to > track down an unsolicited advertiser, getting nothing though their EU ISP > he contacted their local Consulate and was rebuffed. UCE isn't a government issue: it's legal. The only recourse is to report it to the ISP, who *should* then reply "Thanks for the UCE report, the account concerned has now been terminated". In the EU, they are not legally permitted to give you more information than that - but Hotmail handle account terminations in exactly the same way. If there's no reply from the ISP's abuse department, reporting the UCE to their upstream provider will usually produce a response; failing that, MAPS. The government won't get involved, whatever happens - spam isn't illegal! > It seems that sending E-Scams is not illegal from an individual and is > only discouraged from a company. That same action from an individual > in the US of A would have gotten an unfriendly visit from the FBI or > similar group, the hard drive and/or computer would have been seized, > etc... For *spam*, the FBI have no business getting involved. If it's an attempted fraud (like the Nigerian government "please give us your bank details so we can give you money" one) the police in the country concerned might care - although anyone falling for it deserves a Darwin award... James. ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Well, it doesn't matter anyway
"Rebecca J. Walter" wrote: > > you just ran an intermediate step. the regular setup is similiar to the > live eval. the live eval is mainly for testing if hardware works or for > running on systems where you cant install much. Well, I got it right eventually :) I got the full version day before yesterday, and installed it without a hitch (kind of). The only parts that won't work is the sound (WinModem combo card- not supported), printer because I haven't set it up, and the CD burner which I understand can be a PITA. But it's on, it's running (right now, actually) and i'm learning all the bits and bobs that make up the system. GNOME & KDE make that easier. I found a couple of websites that have basic command tutorials. I can't get any more books right now, and the ones I have are limited. But i'm getting there. And BTW, I had no problems with the display this time :) Ruhiel ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
[techtalk] Mandrake 8 issues
I just installed Mandrake 8 (I had an itching to try Linux as a desktop again). I run the installer, it looks like it detected my SBLive!, but when I boot into KDE and try to run XMMS, I get no sound (It does look like the MP3 is playing, just no sound). Now I have checked the idiot things (Volume up on speakers, in XMMS, in sound mixer, is it plugged in etc). I also did "cat /proc/modules" and saw that emu10k1 was loaded (I think). [kath@localhost kath]$ cat /proc/modules emu10k144384 1 (autoclean) via82cxxx_audio16800 1 soundcore 3504 6 [emu10k1 via82cxxx_audio] ac97_codec 8688 0 [via82cxxx_audio] af_packet 11280 1 (autoclean) e100 41488 1 (autoclean) mousedev3936 1 usbmouse1792 0 (unused) input 3232 0 [mousedev usbmouse] usb-uhci 20672 0 (unused) usbcore47248 1 [usbmouse usb-uhci] nls_iso8859-1 2848 5 (autoclean) nls_cp850 3584 5 (autoclean) vfat9040 5 (autoclean) fat30720 0 (autoclean) [vfat] supermount 32496 4 (autoclean) If I goto Mandrake Control Center, click on Information and goto Sound, I get this displayed to me: "Sorry, no information available about that Soundcard!" Everything else appears to be working flawlessly (*knock on wood*). Any ideas? ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Mandrake 8 issues
> > Now I have checked the idiot things (Volume up on speakers, in XMMS, in sound > mixer, is it plugged in etc). I also did "cat /proc/modules" and saw that > emu10k1 was loaded (I think). > > [kath@localhost kath]$ cat /proc/modules > emu10k144384 1 (autoclean) > via82cxxx_audio16800 1 > soundcore 3504 6 [emu10k1 via82cxxx_audio] > ac97_codec 8688 0 [via82cxxx_audio] > af_packet 11280 1 (autoclean) > e100 41488 1 (autoclean) > mousedev3936 1 > usbmouse1792 0 (unused) > input 3232 0 [mousedev usbmouse] > usb-uhci 20672 0 (unused) > usbcore47248 1 [usbmouse usb-uhci] > nls_iso8859-1 2848 5 (autoclean) > nls_cp850 3584 5 (autoclean) > vfat9040 5 (autoclean) > fat30720 0 (autoclean) [vfat] > supermount 32496 4 (autoclean) I don't see the sound module loaded, try modprobe sound and see if it helps. also, i dont know specifics about the sblive but unless it's the emu10k1 module, that's not loaded either. All i see is the hideous via82cxxx audio module, probably from a motherboard's built-in audio circuitry. Perhaps hunting for a sblive-howto document would help :) - Roadmaster * Save a tree- use E-Mail![EMAIL PROTECTED] * ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Mandrake 8 issues
On Monday 28 May 2001 17:52, Daniel Manrique wrote: > > Now I have checked the idiot things (Volume up on speakers, in XMMS, in > > sound mixer, is it plugged in etc). I also did "cat /proc/modules" and > > saw that emu10k1 was loaded (I think). > > > > [kath@localhost kath]$ cat /proc/modules > > emu10k144384 1 (autoclean) > > via82cxxx_audio16800 1 > > soundcore 3504 6 [emu10k1 via82cxxx_audio] > > ac97_codec 8688 0 [via82cxxx_audio] > > af_packet 11280 1 (autoclean) > > e100 41488 1 (autoclean) > > mousedev3936 1 > > usbmouse1792 0 (unused) > > input 3232 0 [mousedev usbmouse] > > usb-uhci 20672 0 (unused) > > usbcore47248 1 [usbmouse usb-uhci] > > nls_iso8859-1 2848 5 (autoclean) > > nls_cp850 3584 5 (autoclean) > > vfat9040 5 (autoclean) > > fat30720 0 (autoclean) [vfat] > > supermount 32496 4 (autoclean) > > I don't see the sound module loaded, try > > modprobe sound > > and see if it helps. also, i dont know specifics about the sblive but > unless it's the emu10k1 module, that's not loaded either. All i > see is the hideous via82cxxx audio module, probably from a > motherboard's built-in audio circuitry. Perhaps hunting > for a sblive-howto document would help :) > > - Roadmaster > > > * > Save a tree- use E-Mail! [EMAIL PROTECTED] > * emu10k1 = SBLive driver. Yes the via82 is for onboard sound. Hmm, lemme try something... Well that was certainly cute! It isn't using the SBLive as the sound card, it is using the onboard mobo sound thingy. Hmmph :/ Any ideas on how to make the SBLive take over? :D ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Mandrake 8 issues
> emu10k1 = SBLive driver. Yes the via82 is for onboard sound. Hmm, lemme try > something... > > Well that was certainly cute! It isn't using the SBLive as the sound card, > it is using the onboard mobo sound thingy. Hmmph :/ > > Any ideas on how to make the SBLive take over? :D um, sure. in your /etc/modules.conf file there's a line beginning with "alias" and probably attaching the via82 driver to the "sound" identifier. You should then change that for emu10k1. - Roadmaster * Save a tree- use E-Mail![EMAIL PROTECTED] * ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Sick of surf and porn addicts
Penguina wrote: > > I don't think that the person who pays the rent on the office space, > > financed the PCs and pays for the bandwidth every month would feel > > the same way. James Sutherland wrote: > We aren't talking about the EMPLOYER here, but about other people. Of > course the employer can set certain limits on usage, subject to respecting > those users' privacy - the point is that others who happen to be in the > area do NOT have any control over each other. Just as a company is free to > ban personal 'phone calls, or charge for them, but not to record them, the > company can prohibit WWW surfing, or charge users for the bandwidth they > use - but logging what users do is a violation of their privacy. Usage > logs must not be made available to ANYONE without a court order (that > bit's a legal requirement, BTW). > James. You're dead wrong. Read http://www.privacyrights.org/fs/fs7-work.htm Cheryl ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
[techtalk] Stumped by shell script
This is off topic, but I'm hoping your sharp eyes will see what I am obviously missing. I'm writing a ksh script which I want to give 3 variables and read them from standard input. To do this, I'm using sed. I want sed to change every instance of DATE to the current date in a given file and rename the file to a different directory. Here's my script: #!/bin/ksh sed 's/DATE/"$1"/g' "$2" > "$3" exit 0; Here's the format of my input file: `date +%m-%d-%Y' FILE.05_24_2001.0529.CSV /path/to/newfile/FILE.`date+%H.%m_%d_%Y.%H%M`.CSV And here's how I'm invoking it: script < input.txt The output is: Can't Open I've tried script < "input.txt" I've tried not quoting $2 and $3, and it just echos input.txt to the screen. I know this is something simple, but I'm stuck. What am I doing wrong? Nancy ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Stumped by shell script
On Mon, May 28, 2001 at 04:31:41PM -0700, Nancy Corbett wrote: > > This is off topic, but I'm hoping your sharp eyes will see what I am > obviously missing. > > I'm writing a ksh script which I want to give 3 variables and read them > from standard input. To do this, I'm using sed. I want sed to > change every instance of DATE to the current date in a given file > and rename the file to a different directory. > > Here's my script: > > #!/bin/ksh > > sed 's/DATE/"$1"/g' "$2" > "$3" > exit 0; I think you are just trying to do a bit too much at once... :) Try something like: #!/bin/ksh read currdate read infile read outfile eval "sed s/DATE/$currdate/g $infile > $outfile" The input.txt being (note there were two minor typos): `date +%m-%d-%Y` FILE.05_24_2001.0529.CSV /path/to/newfile/FILE.`date +%H.%m_%d_%Y.%H%M`.CSV The problems with the original script were: (a) standard input (redirected or not) is not being read into the positional parameters $1, $2, etc. -- you need 'read' for that (with the added benefit that you can choose readable variable names ;) (b) the eval is required to expand the `date ...` commands before executing the sed command BTW, if you need quotes around the s/// (because of whitespace in the substitution string), you'd have to use double quotes like "sed \"s///\" ..." (not 's///'), or expand the $currdate before this line, e.g. using eval "currdate=$currdate" Happy hacking! - Almut ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Stumped by shell script
You're the best!! Um...it's stil not working perfectly, but I'm further along than I was. The input file is being read and it's substituting the second and third variables perfectly. The first one, however, within the sed statement, is not returning the current date within the output file. It's replacing DATE with "$1". Where's it getting that? Sheesh! It's embarrassing to be so green at this...and to display it to you all. But I'm having lots of fun (sick, huh?). I'll keep hacking away at it. Thank, thank you, thank you, Almut! Nancy On Tue, 29 May 2001, Almut Behrens wrote: > On Mon, May 28, 2001 at 04:31:41PM -0700, Nancy Corbett wrote: > > > > This is off topic, but I'm hoping your sharp eyes will see what I am > > obviously missing. > > > > I'm writing a ksh script which I want to give 3 variables and read them > > from standard input. To do this, I'm using sed. I want sed to > > change every instance of DATE to the current date in a given file > > and rename the file to a different directory. > > > > Here's my script: > > > > #!/bin/ksh > > > > sed 's/DATE/"$1"/g' "$2" > "$3" > > exit 0; > > I think you are just trying to do a bit too much at once... :) > > Try something like: > > #!/bin/ksh > > read currdate > read infile > read outfile > > eval "sed s/DATE/$currdate/g $infile > $outfile" > > > The input.txt being (note there were two minor typos): > > `date +%m-%d-%Y` > FILE.05_24_2001.0529.CSV > /path/to/newfile/FILE.`date +%H.%m_%d_%Y.%H%M`.CSV > > > The problems with the original script were: > > (a) standard input (redirected or not) is not being read > into the positional parameters $1, $2, etc. -- you need > 'read' for that (with the added benefit that you can > choose readable variable names ;) > > (b) the eval is required to expand the `date ...` commands > before executing the sed command > > BTW, if you need quotes around the s/// (because of whitespace > in the substitution string), you'd have to use double quotes > like "sed \"s///\" ..." (not 's///'), or expand the $currdate > before this line, e.g. using > > eval "currdate=$currdate" > > > Happy hacking! > > - Almut > > > ___ > techtalk mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk > ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
