[techtalk] window manager preference?
i was just curious what the window manager of choice is on this list :) .. i'm a die hard windowmaker fan ... but i just installed enlightenment and it's not that bad .. a bit resource intensive though .. same for GNOME from my experiences. i think blackbox is next on my list. haven't used that for a while now .. abe ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] window manager preference?
windowmaker ;) nicki On Thu, 17 May 2001, coldfire wrote: > i was just curious what the window manager of choice is on this list :) .. > i'm a die hard windowmaker fan ... but i just installed enlightenment and > it's not that bad .. a bit resource intensive though .. same for GNOME > from my experiences. i think blackbox is next on my list. haven't used > that for a while now .. > > abe > > > ___ > techtalk mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk > ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] window manager preference?
coldfire wrote: > i was just curious what the window manager of choice is on this list :) .. > i'm a die hard windowmaker fan ... but i just installed enlightenment and > it's not that bad .. a bit resource intensive though .. same for GNOME > from my experiences. i think blackbox is next on my list. haven't used > that for a while now .. Heh. Whichever one is the default of the Gnome installation of the day. I'm an 'if it works, don't futz with it unless you feel like it' sort of girl. And so far, I haven't felt like futzing with my window manager. As for Gnome being resource intensive: I haven't noticed. But I keep my box specced fairly high, it also runs Windows to run my library of games. Jenn V. -- "Do you ever wonder if there's a whole section of geek culture you miss out on by being a geek?" - Dancer. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jenn Vesperman http://www.simegen.com/~jenn/ ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] window manager preference?
On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 04:48:30AM -0400, coldfire wrote: > i was just curious what the window manager of choice is on this list :) .. > i'm a die hard windowmaker fan ... but i just installed enlightenment and > it's not that bad .. a bit resource intensive though .. same for GNOME > from my experiences. i think blackbox is next on my list. haven't used > that for a while now .. > > abe Loving PWM at the moment. It's a very minimal wm whose main characteristic is a lot of keyboard shortcuts, and the ability to associate a whole lot of windows with one sticky title bar and be able to flick through them (as opposed to have xterms floating around :) ) Mary. -- Mary Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> GPG Key ID: 77625870 ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] window manager preference?
Heya -- Quoth Coldfire: > i was just curious what the window manager of choice is on this > list :) .. i'm a die hard windowmaker fan... I'm a big fan of KDE. It's all about kpanel. [grin] The rest of the utilites are nice, but that panel just makes for the easiest navigation. Cheers, Raven = "Little white flowers will never awaken you, Not where the black coach of sorrow has taken you. Angels have no thoughts of ever returning you. Would they be angry if I thought of joining you?" -- Rezso Seress's "Gloomy Sunday" __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] message to all
Wow- On the list 12 hours and a ton of email. Even a good flame war from someone who must be having trouble logging in today. After reading the rules it said "guys" are welcome. I wanted to say hello and confess my love for Linux, yet working as a asp developer on a MS based web system. I was looking for a list that will not flame me if I ask a good question--in other words, users who working with the system and helping each other out. Intelligent conversation. So, with that in mind, if guys are not allowed, please tell me know and I will leave peacefully. Otherwise, my brief introduction and hope to enjoy the conversation. I am a former radio dj turned computer programmer. I cut my teeth on trs-dos and later system v. I have been using unix since 1989 and Linux since 1995. Like I mentioned, I actually program in asp for a MS based web system, but have a Sun box next to me running Mandrake Corporate Server. As I tell my boss, when it is time to do some real work, I use Linux. With that intro, I say hello again, drop by my email and say hello back when you get a chance. -Scott ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] message to all
On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 09:05:14AM -0400, Scott wrote: > So, with that in mind, if guys are not allowed, please tell me know and I > will leave > peacefully. Otherwise, my brief introduction and hope to enjoy the > conversation. Hi Scott, Yes men are 'allowed' - the lists are open subscription. Just remember that Linuxchix is a resource for women, that is, Linuxchix should be a place in which women can speak freely about technical issues or problems (this list), gender issues (issues) or chat (grrltalk). It's pretty hard to go wrong if you're polite and helpful as the website recommends :) You'll find the most men actively posting on this list, techtalk. There are men also on grrltalk and issues, the other two discussion lists, but women seem to post more often compared to men. If you want to post further meta-list discussion, or stuff about yourself, you should post to grrltalk, since its off-topic for techtalk and the amount of off-topicness in the last few days is probably scaring people :) Have fun, Mary. -- Mary Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> GPG Key ID: 77625870 ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
[techtalk] Java
I work for an MS all the time shop. Win 2K Server, SQL 2000 Server, etc. Our clients all have MS set-up at their site. I am doing a web based application in all asp and just got "caught" using PHP. I was redirecting traffic to a Linux server I have running Apache and PHP and would do some processing there and then redirect back. I am thinking of doing some of the work in Java. Since my experience with Java is limited, has anyone else used Java heavily for web based applications? -Scott ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Java
On Thu, 17 May 2001, Scott wrote: > I work for an MS all the time shop. Win 2K Server, SQL 2000 Server, > etc. Our clients all have MS set-up at their site. I am doing a web > based application in all asp and just got "caught" using PHP. I was > redirecting traffic to a Linux server I have running Apache and PHP > and would do some processing there and then redirect back. Have you tried running Apache+PHP on a Win2k box? Is the constraint that you must be using Win2k, or that you must be "all-MS"?? If the former, running Apache+PHP on Win2k would be a nice non-proprietary solution. I haven't tried any server-side stuff in Java, but that would also be a good way to stop your clients being so locked in to MS... James. -- "Our attitude with TCP/IP is, `Hey, we'll do it, but don't make a big system, because we can't fix it if it breaks -- nobody can.'" "TCP/IP is OK if you've got a little informal club, and it doesn't make any difference if it takes a while to fix it." -- Ken Olson, in Digital News, 1988 ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Java
On Thu, 17 May 2001 14:40:54 +0100 (BST) James Sutherland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Have you tried running Apache+PHP on a Win2k box? Is the > constraint that you must be using Win2k, or that you > must be "all-MS"?? If the former, running Apache+PHP on > Win2k would be a nice non-proprietary solution. > And, from my (limited) experience with PHP v. Java, PHP also tends to be a bit faster... ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] window manager preference?
On Thursday 17 May 2001 04:48 am, you wrote: > i was just curious what the window manager of choice is on this list :) .. ===Currently KDEbut I am looking at the other ones available. Windowmaker has a nice look/feel, but I am needing to work on how to get around in it...(newbie powers, Activate! Form of..) ===I tried GNOMEbut for some reason it did not "feel" right. (ok, so I am a kinesthetic intuitive..) Rialian ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Java
At 02:40 PM 5/17/2001 +0100, James Sutherland wrote: >Have you tried running Apache+PHP on a Win2k box? Is the constraint that >you must be using Win2k, or that you must be "all-MS"?? If the former, >running Apache+PHP on Win2k would be a nice non-proprietary solution. I have run the cgi version of PHP on IIS 4 & 5, my concern and maybe this has been solved, but the front end piece of this software is client/server and I am calling a lot of their stored procedures and sql server functions. Can PHP can call the stored procedures and functions? If it can, consider the conversion done! >I haven't tried any server-side stuff in Java, but that would also be a >good way to stop your clients being so locked in to MS... A lot of clients are concerned with the new MS license policy and this might be a nice way to help. -Scott ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] window manager preference?
>On Thursday 17 May 2001 04:48 am, you wrote: > > i was just curious what the window manager of choice is on this list :) .. Depends on the distribution. I am just trying SUSE for the first time and they seem to favor KDE, as does the Mandrake versions I have tried. Red Hat seems to favor Gnome. I guess Solaris is switching to Gnome this year as well. I feel comfortable with KDE the most, why? I guess it just feels warm to me and I have no trouble finding my way around. In addition, Quanta+, the web developer program runs best on KDE. Anyone try the now defunct Eazel? -sap ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] window manager preference?
On Thursday 17 May 2001 04:48 am, coldfire wrote: > i was just curious what the window manager of choice is on this list :) .. Hi, On a system with decent resources, definitely KDE 2.1.1. Very nice, lots of features and excellent apps, and yet I can easily make it get out of my way. On anything with less than 48MB of RAM and at least a 166MHz processor, either icewm or xfce. I prefer the CDE-like interface of xfce to the windowsish look of icewm, but the lack of window borders and some of the window menu features bug me. IceWM is very easy to configure and very flexible. Both are really lightweight without lacking useful features. FWIW, I have been known to use icewm on a well equipped system as well, and just run KDE and sometimes GNOME apps on top of it. Just my two shekels worth... Caity Caitlyn Máire Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://caitlyn.port5.com ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] window manager preference?
I prefer KDE 2.1.1 also. Very agreeable interface with many applications available. -Mary Caitlyn Martin wrote: > On Thursday 17 May 2001 04:48 am, coldfire wrote: > > i was just curious what the window manager of choice is on this list :) .. > > Hi, > > On a system with decent resources, definitely KDE 2.1.1. Very nice, lots of > features and excellent apps, and yet I can easily make it get out of my way. > > On anything with less than 48MB of RAM and at least a 166MHz processor, > either icewm or xfce. I prefer the CDE-like interface of xfce to the > windowsish look of icewm, but the lack of window borders and some of the > window menu features bug me. IceWM is very easy to configure and very > flexible. Both are really lightweight without lacking useful features. > > FWIW, I have been known to use icewm on a well equipped system as well, and > just run KDE and sometimes GNOME apps on top of it. > > Just my two shekels worth... > Caity > > > Caitlyn Máire Martin > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://caitlyn.port5.com > > > ___ > techtalk mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
[techtalk] Quanta+, Bluefish (was: window manager preference?)
On Thursday 17 May 2001 10:58 am, Scott wrote: > Red Hat seems to favor Gnome. Yes, but they give you the choice of KDE or Gnome at install. Youcan install both, but choose either as your default. I chose KDE and had no I guess Solaris is switching to Gnome this year > as well. I feel comfortable with KDE the most, why? I guess it just feels > warm to me and I have no trouble finding my way around. In addition, > Quanta+, the web developer program runs best on KDE. > > Anyone try the now defunct Eazel? > > -sap > > > ___ > techtalk mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk -- Caitlyn Máire Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://caitlyn.port5.com ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
[techtalk] Parallel port zip drives under RH 7.1 (2.4 kernel change, perhaps)
Hi, there, OK, on every distribution I've run with a 2.2 or 2.0 kernel, if the distro didn't autodetect my zip drive, it was pretty straightforward to add it. I'd add the line alias block-major-8 ppa to my /etc/conf.modules file, add a /mnt/zip directory, add /dev/sda4 to my /etc/fstab file as /mnt/zip, and make sure the ppa module was being loaded at boot time. Way back when (2.0 kernel distros) you had to rmmod lpd and insmod ppa. Well... Red Hat 7.1 didn't setup my zip drive for me the way Mandrake did recently, so I added the above alias line to my /etc/modules.conf file (yep, I was aware of that change) and followed the steps above and... the system tells me that /dev/sda4 is not a recognized device. ppa is loaded. I went into Preferences->Information->SCSI in KDE2 and found this: Attached devices: Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 06 Lun: 00 Vendor: IOMEGA Model: ZIP 100 Rev: D.09 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 I saw the SCSI ID of 6, but /dev/sda6 doesn't work either. Obviously, the OS knows it's there. How do I make it work? Feeling stupid today... Caity -- Caitlyn Máire Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://caitlyn.port5.com ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Red Hat, Quanta+, Bluefish (was: window manager preference?)
At 11:03 AM 5/17/2001 -0400, Caitlyn Martin wrote: >Yes, but they give you the choice of KDE or Gnome at install. You can >install both, but choose either as your default. I chose KDE and had no >problems, other than an overwhelming need to rearrange their menus. Mandrake >is much better at subdividing the menus and making it so you can actually >find things. They do give you a choice, but in most of their documentation they refer to Gnome, but I have run both with no trouble on RH 7. I think on 6.2 you had to go out of your way to install, can not remember. I like the KDE setup in Mandrake 7.2 and now that I am trying SUSE, the KDE is nice, still experimenting though. You know, I run KDE but I prefer Bluefish for my web development tool. More >features, more cheats, or so it seems to me. I was surprised when Red Hat >failed to include either Bluefish or SCREEM (the two GTKish or Gnomish web >dev tools) in 7.1, but decided to include Quanta+ on the PowerTools CD. >Pretty weird if they're favoring Gnome. Anyway, the latest Bluefish and >SCREEM RPMs work fine on Red Hat 7.1. I have not played with Bluefish in about 8 months. The last time I used it was under Solaris, maybe I should download it today :) -sap ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Parallel port zip drives under RH 7.1 (2.4 kernelchange, perhaps)
> Well... Red Hat 7.1 didn't setup my zip drive for me the way Mandrake did > recently, so I added the above alias line to my /etc/modules.conf file (yep, > I was aware of that change) and followed the steps above and... the system > tells me that /dev/sda4 is not a recognized device. ppa is loaded. > > I went into Preferences->Information->SCSI in KDE2 and found this: > > Attached devices: > Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 06 Lun: 00 > Vendor: IOMEGA Model: ZIP 100 Rev: D.09 > Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > > I saw the SCSI ID of 6, but /dev/sda6 doesn't work either. Obviously, the OS > knows it's there. How do I make it work? There's no relationship between the SCSI ID of a device and the partition within that device. All zip disks (notice, *disks*) use the fourth partition. So it would always be /dev/sdX4. As for that mysterious X, that also doesn't necessarily have to do with the SCSI id for the device. I have a SCSI zipdrive on ID 5 and it's not sde (e=5). it's sda. Also, I have a scanner on ID 4, and it doesn't "push" the zip drive to sdb. However, if I had more SCSI disks, their letters would probably change; furthermore, if I had a single unit with multiple LUNs (logical units), i suppose it would also have several drive letters. As far as I can see, the ppa driver you're using emulates a SCSI interface. That part seems to be working fine. However, it looks like you'd have to load another driver or module to have your zip be recognized as a disk drive. I'm not that familiar with your kernel's module setup but for what i've seen, the scsi disk module is called sd_mod, so doing: modprobe sd_mod would probably do the trick. After that, use the dmesg command to see whether the driver loaded and found something. It should then tell you which device your zip has assigned. You might want to try all this, let us know if it doesnt work, if it doesn't we'll keep looking .. - Roadmaster * Save a tree- use E-Mail![EMAIL PROTECTED] * ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] window manager preference?
> > i was just curious what the window manager of choice is on this list :) .. I come from a unix background, which made me so familiar with fvwm(2) and the solaris-desktop that it took me a while to get used to anything else. Gnome seemed to be a bit too heavy for my first system, so I started using KDE. I hardly ever work with menus and buttons (apart from a selfmade menu with which I can access the different machines). I guess to me the windowmanager isn't really that important, as long as it has some basics, like setting the focus and adjusting the colors (but I guess they all can do that ;-) Es -- ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] window manager preference?
Ditto windowmaker here. Originally used because we were on a low-end hardware box and windowmaker was the most functional with a decently low resource usage. Now both my husband and I still use windowmaker because we can't find anything that we like better. :o) My husband also uses gnome, but I prefer vanilla windowmaker. He says it's just for the pager, but if that were the case he'd suck it up and just use the blackbox pager (that works with other window managers) :o) -nicole At 04:48 on May 17, coldfire combined all the right letters to say: > i was just curious what the window manager of choice is on this list :) .. > i'm a die hard windowmaker fan ... but i just installed enlightenment and > it's not that bad .. a bit resource intensive though .. same for GNOME > from my experiences. i think blackbox is next on my list. haven't used > that for a while now .. ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
[techtalk] Re: techtalk digest, Vol 1 #468 - 18 msgs
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Quoth Coldfire: > > i was just curious what the window manager of > choice is on this > > list :) .. i'm a die hard windowmaker fan... I'm currently addicted to Gnome - only because on my possessed computer only Gnome works with my motherboard's built in sound card. I like to listen to MP3s sometimes when I use Linux and read my email and whatnot. For some reason KDE locks up on me too - but like I said - the computer is possessed. BTW, hello to the list - It's nice to meet you all. I'm an MCSE in NT 4 but I prefer Linux not only for the cost (I downloaded Mandrake 8) but also because of the security, honesty, and all the quality programs and Linux boots up really fast with ReiserFS. Joe __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Red Hat, Quanta+, Bluefish (was: window managerpreference?)
> Yes, but they give you the choice of KDE or Gnome at install. You can > install both, but choose either as your default. I chose KDE and had no > problems, other than an overwhelming need to rearrange their menus. Mandrake > is much better at subdividing the menus and making it so you can actually > find things. This is courtesy Mandrake using the menus system. Debian does this as well. When you install a new package, it is installed into your menus. There is a guide as to where packages of what type should go in the menuing system (I found this out when adding my own non-packaged menu entries), enforcement is not strict but suggested. -nicole ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
[techtalk] (dumb) Solaris Q
I know this isn't a linux question, but this is one of the few places I feel safe asking those silly questions :o) I installed Solaris (8, the x86 version) on a box at work. I have unix experience and loads of linux experience, but none specifically with administering a Solaris box. I am having a networking issue. On the install, it asked if I'd like to use DHCP networking -- I said yes. When asked what kind of name services I'd like to use, I chose DNS and entered my LAN's DNS sever (for local name resolution and sending things to the outside world). In the install, it told me they were not correct (I assume by trying to resolve something), but I moved on (these DNS' work on every other machine on the LAN, but they are all linux or windows). When the install finished, no, it couldn't resolve anything using the DNS entries that work everywhere else. SO I tried going into my /etc/resolv.conf and changing it to the "old" DNS server, with only outside-world name resolution. This didn't work either. Our network is set up with a DHCP server on 192.168.1.2. This is also a DNS, as is 192.168.168.2 (or so the DHCP server sends on to all other machines). The machine in question can get an IP and it can ping things directly by their IP (outside or inside of the LAN), it just can't resolve. The one machine that is static and using the external DNS (other than the Solaris box) can ping and resolve (just not the local name resolution, obvoiusly). There aren't any typos in the resolv.conf, I had my husband check :o) So, my questions: Is there something I have to do after I change the name servers in the resolv.conf to make the OS "aware" of these changes? This does not seem right to me, but if it fixes the problem, right on. Why are the DNS' not grabbed from the DHCP server? Would using a static IP rather than using the DHCP server "fix" anything? and of course, why isn't it working!?? :o) Network wouldn't be such a big deal but looking at CDE in 640x480x256 is tough and I need network to download something better (this is an i810 on-board video machine that generally does not play well with others). I am thinking it is a DUH problem, but I am all DUHed out for the week (and it's only Thursday!). thanks, -nicole ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] ssh slow login
On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 03:40:55PM +1200, Jamie Walker wrote: > On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 11:26:36PM -0400, David Merrill wrote: > > > When I ssh into this box, it sometimes takes 20-30 seconds for the > > login prompt to come up. Does anyone know why it would take this long > > to display a login prompt over a LAN? The machine has almost no load > > on it. > > It's trying and failing to do a DNS lookup on the host you're connecting > from. > > A quick way around it is to add the IP address of that machine to > /etc/hosts on the machine you're connecting to. Yep, that was it. Thanks! -- Dr. David C. Merrill http://www.lupercalia.net Linux Documentation Project [EMAIL PROTECTED] Collection Editor & Coordinatorhttp://www.linuxdoc.org Finger me for my public key In a display of perverse brilliance, Carl the repairman mistakes a room humidifier for a mid-range computer but manages to tie it into the network anyway. -- The 5th Wave ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Java
Scott wrote: > At 02:40 PM 5/17/2001 +0100, James Sutherland wrote: > >> Have you tried running Apache+PHP on a Win2k box? Is the constraint that >> you must be using Win2k, or that you must be "all-MS"?? If the former, >> running Apache+PHP on Win2k would be a nice non-proprietary solution. > > > I have run the cgi version of PHP on IIS 4 & 5, my concern and maybe > this has > been solved, but the front end piece of this software is client/server > and I am > calling a lot of their stored procedures and sql server functions. Can > PHP can > call the stored procedures and functions? Absolutely; the PHP functions for connecting to MS-SQL are simply windows (no pun intended) leading into the database. The list is here: http://www.php.net/manual/en/ref.mssql.php Basically, whatever query it is that you need to issue, if you were sitting in front of a Windows machine to type it, you'd issue that through the mssql_query() function. There are a bazillion little functions (see referenced manual URL), but the routine goes something like this: //connect $conn = mssql_connect ([servername [, username [, password]]]); // pick a db $db = mssql_select_db (database_name, $conn); //issue query $sql = "select blah from blah_table order by blah"; $result = mssql_query($sql, $db); and so on. if your query uses/references/creates a trigger or other stored procedure, then knock yourself out... Check the manual. It's really simple. And a heck of a lot faster than Java, even if it is on Windows. - julie ++ | Julie Meloni ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | || | "PHP Essentials" and "PHP Fast & Easy" | | http://www.thickbook.com | ++ ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Re: techtalk digest, Vol 1 #468 - 18 msgs
> > Quoth Coldfire: > > i was just curious what the window manager of > > choice is on this > > list :) .. i'm a die hard windowmaker fan... > > > I'm currently addicted to Gnome - only because on my possessed > computer only Gnome works with my motherboard's built in sound card. > I like to listen to MP3s sometimes when I use Linux and read my email > and whatnot. For some reason KDE locks up on me too - but like I said > - the computer is possessed. Do keep in mind that neither GNOME nor KDE are window managers. One could think of them as "desktop environments", a part of which is a window manager. KDE has had kwm since the beginnning. GNOME's situation is a bit more complicated, as it has always tried to be "windowmanager-agnostic". In the early days they had enlightenment as their WM of choice, mainly because the author, Rasterman, was employed by Red Hat and heavily involved in the GNOME project. These days they're using sawfish, i guess because it has a great deal of control for almost every feature in the window manager. Also it *has* to be lighter than enlightenment :) However, the GNOME control center has a panel where you can choose which windowmanager to use. GNOME/windowmaker systems are not hard to come by, though I believe they look awful :) - Roadmaster * Save a tree- use E-Mail![EMAIL PROTECTED] * ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Java
Now, my question would be, I know I can run select statements on the data, the problem is the sql guys here write a ton of stored procedures and I need to call them instead to get my info. The asp code is very ugly. Has anyone run into this with PHP? I can send asp examples if that helps. -sap :feeling stupid today, must be the weather, yeah, that's it ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] (dumb) Solaris Q
Hrm, I've never worked with DHCP clients on Solaris, but I do struggle with networking on solaris 7 regularly. First I would check the thruput of your network card(s). There is a bug where, if your card is set to auto-negotiate it will tend to flake, so we hard set all our nic cards, and corresponding ports on the switch or router it's attached to, to 100/full duplex. Also check your routing table. Solaris does this goofy thing where you have to explicitly add a route from your card to your subnet, then add routes through your gateway. So, you would have this route to your local subnet, AND a default route, presumably on your local subnet. follow? if solaris can't route to its subnet (kind dumb, and also wrong, i think) then it can't get to its default route, and therefore won't find its dns server. but since you can ping by IP, this might not be the case... Nicole Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I know this isn't a linux question, but this is one of the few places I > feel safe asking those silly questions :o) > > I installed Solaris (8, the x86 version) on a box at work. I have unix > experience and loads of linux experience, but none specifically with > administering a Solaris box. I am having a networking issue. > > On the install, it asked if I'd like to use DHCP networking -- I said yes. > When asked what kind of name services I'd like to use, I chose DNS and > entered my LAN's DNS sever (for local name resolution and sending things > to the outside world). In the install, it told me they were not correct (I > assume by trying to resolve something), but I moved on (these DNS' work on > every other machine on the LAN, but they are all linux or windows). When > the install finished, no, it couldn't resolve anything using the DNS > entries that work everywhere else. SO I tried going into my > /etc/resolv.conf and changing it to the "old" DNS server, with only > outside-world name resolution. This didn't work either. > > Our network is set up with a DHCP server on 192.168.1.2. This is also a > DNS, as is 192.168.168.2 (or so the DHCP server sends on to all other > machines). The machine in question can get an IP and it can ping things > directly by their IP (outside or inside of the LAN), it just can't > resolve. The one machine that is static and using the external DNS (other > than the Solaris box) can ping and resolve (just not the local name > resolution, obvoiusly). > > There aren't any typos in the resolv.conf, I had my husband check :o) > > So, my questions: > Is there something I have to do after I change the name servers in the > resolv.conf to make the OS "aware" of these changes? This does not seem > right to me, but if it fixes the problem, right on. > > Why are the DNS' not grabbed from the DHCP server? > > Would using a static IP rather than using the DHCP server "fix" anything? > > and of course, why isn't it working!?? :o) > > Network wouldn't be such a big deal but looking at CDE in 640x480x256 is > tough and I need network to download something better (this is an i810 > on-board video machine that generally does not play well with others). I > am thinking it is a DUH problem, but I am all DUHed out for the week (and > it's only Thursday!). > > thanks, > -nicole > > > ___ > techtalk mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk > __ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] (dumb) Solaris Q
Nicole- My experience with Solaris is on the Sparc machine, I assume PC is the same, but you have to choose No DNS during install, then add it after the machine is up. Thinking..there is a file called..thinking again.. You know what, let me check my Solaris book at home and I will email when I have it. Regardless, I remember assigning an address to the box as DHCP did not work for me, but DHCP was coming from NT. -sap At 09:42 AM 5/17/2001 -0700, Nicole Zimmerman wrote: >I know this isn't a linux question, but this is one of the few places I >feel safe asking those silly questions :o) > >I installed Solaris (8, the x86 version) on a box at work. I have unix >experience and loads of linux experience, but none specifically with >administering a Solaris box. I am having a networking issue. > >On the install, it asked if I'd like to use DHCP networking -- I said yes. >When asked what kind of name services I'd like to use, I chose DNS and >entered my LAN's DNS sever (for local name resolution and sending things >to the outside world). In the install, it told me they were not correct (I >assume by trying to resolve something), but I moved on (these DNS' work on >every other machine on the LAN, but they are all linux or windows). When >the install finished, no, it couldn't resolve anything using the DNS >entries that work everywhere else. SO I tried going into my >/etc/resolv.conf and changing it to the "old" DNS server, with only >outside-world name resolution. This didn't work either. > >Our network is set up with a DHCP server on 192.168.1.2. This is also a >DNS, as is 192.168.168.2 (or so the DHCP server sends on to all other >machines). The machine in question can get an IP and it can ping things >directly by their IP (outside or inside of the LAN), it just can't >resolve. The one machine that is static and using the external DNS (other >than the Solaris box) can ping and resolve (just not the local name >resolution, obvoiusly). > >There aren't any typos in the resolv.conf, I had my husband check :o) > >So, my questions: >Is there something I have to do after I change the name servers in the >resolv.conf to make the OS "aware" of these changes? This does not seem >right to me, but if it fixes the problem, right on. > >Why are the DNS' not grabbed from the DHCP server? > >Would using a static IP rather than using the DHCP server "fix" anything? > >and of course, why isn't it working!?? :o) > >Network wouldn't be such a big deal but looking at CDE in 640x480x256 is >tough and I need network to download something better (this is an i810 >on-board video machine that generally does not play well with others). I >am thinking it is a DUH problem, but I am all DUHed out for the week (and >it's only Thursday!). > >thanks, >-nicole > > >___ >techtalk mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
[techtalk] desktops and window managers?
ok, would anyone out there like to tackle the task of explaining exactly what the difference is? I am baffled by why gnome/kde does, vs what sawmill/enlightenment/kwm do, how they interact, which ones are which...is windowmaker a window manager or desktop? I forget... I know window managers change the way title bars and stuff look, but beyond the cosmetics, I don't get it. Also, what is Motif? and in an environment with, say, gnome, sawmill, and a local x server, which part is serving widgets, which part is interpeting them with look and feel, and what else is going on? this has been a mystery to me for a long time. any help appreciated. __ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Java
Why not install pyapache as a DSO in your apache server, and use a python script to run your stored procs. -Tricia On Thu, 17 May 2001, Scott wrote: |Now, my question would be, I know I can run select statements on the data, |the problem |is the sql guys here write a ton of stored procedures and I need to call |them instead to |get my info. The asp code is very ugly. Has anyone run into this with |PHP? I can send |asp examples if that helps. | | |-sap | |:feeling stupid today, must be the weather, yeah, that's it | | |___ |techtalk mailing list |[EMAIL PROTECTED] |http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk | ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Java
> On Thu, 17 May 2001, Scott wrote: > > |Now, my question would be, I know I can run select statements on the data, > |the problem > |is the sql guys here write a ton of stored procedures and I need to call > |them instead to > |get my info. The asp code is very ugly. Has anyone run into this with > |PHP? I can send > |asp examples if that helps. to execute a stored procedure, the SQL statement would be something like "execute procedure blah blah". stick that in your mssql_query() function. You don't need to know what the stored procedure looks like on the inside, just how to use it and what to expect back. execute it, then use mssql_result() or mssql_fetch_*() accordingly to do fun things with what you get back. Or, if you don't get anything back, then you're fine - just execute it. -- ++ | Julie Meloni ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | || | "PHP Essentials" and "PHP Fast & Easy" | | http://www.thickbook.com | ++ ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
RE: [techtalk] desktops and window managers?
To add to that (this is a bit of a stretch, I know), can anyone recommend a good resource for xwindows?? (other than the howto). I've never gotten much into the guts of it; always using Xconfigurator. I think someone in this thread mentioned an "if it ain't broke, don't fuzz with it" philosophy. That's always been my approach to X. However, I'm now working in an environment where we have lots of client machines running it, and I have had issues. I also can't seem to get X running at all on my laptop to an external CRT when it's docked, but that's a different issue. Anyway, just thought I'd ask! Thanks, Brian > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 10:18 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [techtalk] desktops and window managers? > > > ok, would anyone out there like to tackle the task of explaining > exactly what the difference is? I am baffled by why gnome/kde > does, vs what sawmill/enlightenment/kwm do, how they interact, > which ones are which...is windowmaker a window manager or > desktop? I forget... > > I know window managers change the way title bars and stuff look, > but beyond the cosmetics, I don't get it. > > Also, what is Motif? and in an environment with, say, gnome, > sawmill, and a local x server, which part is serving widgets, > which part is interpeting them with look and feel, and what else > is going on? > > this has been a mystery to me for a long time. any help appreciated. > __ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at > http://webmail.netscape.com/ > > ___ > techtalk mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk > ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
[techtalk] Internet Connection Sharing
Hi! I was using Mandrake 7.2 for Internet Connection on my home PC's. They are sharing a modem there since I can not get DSL or cable yet. I had to convert the machine to Win 2K for work reasons and I am using the Internet Connection Sharing built into Win 2K and in a word--it sucks. I want to go back to Linux to do the job. Has anyone set this up -without- the Mandrake wizard? Thanks. -sap ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
[techtalk] vmware
I am interested in vmware and would love to hear from others who have used this. I just emailed them in hopes of getting an academic discount. On the other hand Im all for ending the clutter of two boxes on my desk and giving one to someone who needs one and using Wine for the major apps I run like Photoshop 6 and Illustrator. That is if they will work under wine. I need to investigate that further. O/T: My sons Dad called me today all happy, it appears as though page 226 of O'Reillys Perl for Sys Admin says something about his open source baby freetds.org, awww! Rose ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] window manager preference?
never can resist an opportunity to plug blackbox :) that's my pick. marisa On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 04:48:30AM -0400, rolick571 sed: > i was just curious what the window manager of choice is on this list :) .. > i'm a die hard windowmaker fan ... but i just installed enlightenment and > it's not that bad .. a bit resource intensive though .. same for GNOME > from my experiences. i think blackbox is next on my list. haven't used > that for a while now .. > > abe -- Let reality be the grinding stone upon which you sharpen your hatred. ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] desktops and window managers?
Damn :) Tis a pretty long rant, hope i don't get everyone snoring here. well, in the beginning there was X. X by itself basically provides a way for a server to communicate with clients. The clients tell the server "draw a pixel here" and the server handles actually displaying that pixel on-screen. The interesting part here is that the clients and the server need not be in the same computer. This is one of the niceties of X. However the facilities X as such provides are pretty spartan. draw lines, pixels, write text on-screen. A client usually works on a rectangular area on the screen, which is called a window, and specifies all those drawing operations relative to its window. When a client starts, it requests a window and the servers gives you a window to work. Here's the first concept you were asking about. X by itself only assigns a rectangular area on the screen for each client. It has no way of controlling that area; say, moving it, resizing it, or closing the client. That's where the window manager comes to the rescue. "The window manager in X is just another client -- it is not part of the X window system, although it enjoys special privileges -- and so there is no single window manager; instead, there are many, which support different ways for the user to interact with windows and different styles of window layout, decoration, and keyboard and colormap focus." So, first, the Window Manager gives us a way to manipulate windows themselves. It's the window manager's responsibility to draw a nice frame and titlebar in each window; actually do something when you drag the titlebar, or resize the window, or press the "close" button. That's a window manager's most basic functionality. However, most window managers provide functionality like a nice menu for starting applications. The problem here is that, for most window managers, configuring this menu is a complicated task. there are, of course, a lot of window managers, because since the window manager is an external component, it's (relatively) easy to write one according to your preferences, how you want windows to look, how you want them to behave, and so on. Let's focus on the client programs for a moment. Imagine you wanted to write a client program from scratch, using only the facilities provided by X. You'd quickly find that Xlib is pretty spartan, and that doing things like putting buttons on screen, text, or nice controls for the users, is terribly complicated. Luckily, someone else went to the trouble of programming these controls and giving them to us in a usable form; a library. These controls are called "widgets" and of course, the library is a "widget library". Then I just have to call a function from this library with some parameters and have a button on-screen. There are many widget libraries, each according to the author's preferences in aspect, behavior, and API (application program interface). Among these are the Athena widgets, Motif, GTK, Qt and so on. Here's another question answered. Motif is a widget library. It gives you facilities for placing buttons, menus and other controls on screen. Motif originated as the OSF's preferred toolkit. It's now not very widely used in the free software world, because there are other toolkits, which are free and possibly less bloated than Motif (the famous "Bloatif has been zorched" quote, uttered by the guys who wrote the GIMP, when they switched to Gtk, is a testament to this). Let's stop for a moment and put together what we have so far. We have our client-server graphic system (X). We have several window managers which manage our client programs; and we have several toolkits which define the look and feel of our client programs per se. As you can see here, a user can have any of several different window managers. The user can also have several clients, which aren't necessarily written using the same toolkit. So at any given time I can have six or seven apps, all looking different and behaving different. This creates a mess because behavior between the apps is not consistent. If you've ever used a program written with the Athena widgets, you'll notice it's not too similar to something written using Gtk. And you'll also remember it's a mess using all these apps which look so different. This basically negates the advantage of using a GUI environment in the first place. There are other problems here. The way of launching programs varies from one window manager to the next. Some have a nice menu for launching apps; others dont, and they expect you to open an xterm and launch all your apps by invoking the commands. Again, there's no standarization here so it becomes a mess. Finally, there are niceties you expect from a GUI environment which our scheme hasn't covered. Things like a configuration utility, or "control panel"; a graphical file manager. Of course, these can be written as client apps. And, in typical free software fashion, there are hundreds of file managers, and hundred
[techtalk] Random LVM endorsement
hey all, no questions here, just thought I'd mention that last week I took a redhat 7.1 box, compiled a 2.4 kernel, and installed LVM from www.sistina.com, with the help of my manager. LVM rocks!!! anyone who has used AIX's logical volume management to grow file systems on the fly will appreciate this...anyone who hasn't, will appreciate even more. =) it's based on aix/hp LVM, (thank goodness they didn't base it on veritas), it's free and open source, almost up to 1.0 stable (we're successfully using 0.9 beta), and pretty easy to set up. Lets you create pools of disks or partitions, that you can pull from at will and add to logical volumes and file systems. You can stripe with it or do linear, and it will do serveral file system types including reiserfs. You can't install it out of the box just yet, you have to install your system, upgrade the kernel, and apply LVM kernel patches, then put down LVM and set up the volume groups and logical volumes. It's also safest to lea! ve your root partition alone...wait till it's more mature. anyway, i'm just really happy about it, it's sooo nice to just grow a file system without having to dd in and out and all that crap. thought this might be interesting to some folks. __ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Internet Connection Sharing
http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO.html is what I used to setup connection sharing. And if I can do it, ANYONE can do it =D - Kath - Original Message - From: "Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 1:53 PM Subject: [techtalk] Internet Connection Sharing > Hi! > > I was using Mandrake 7.2 for Internet Connection on my home PC's. They are > sharing > a modem there since I can not get DSL or cable yet. I had to convert the > machine to > Win 2K for work reasons and I am using the Internet Connection Sharing > built into Win > 2K and in a word--it sucks. I want to go back to Linux to do the job. Has > anyone set > this up -without- the Mandrake wizard? > > Thanks. > > -sap > > > ___ > techtalk mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk > ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] vmware
Hello Rose, Now, I'm a bit biased, but when I want to use Windows applications, I use Win4Lin. It's faster than VMWare, and it's cheaper than VMWare ($89 for a CD set, $59 for download). Though the current version doesn't allow Windows Networking, there's a new version comming out soon that will allow for this via a virtual NIC card (like VMWare). Most software seems to run on it fine (though it doesn't support DirectX so most newer games won't run). I know for a fact that MS Office 2K, Framemaker and Photoshop all run great under Win4Lin. That said, I've heard that Wine is great if you can get it to work (I've never had luck, myself, but then I haven't played with it much). VMWare does have it's place - it offers support for some software and devices that Win4Lin does not (No external SCSI or USB support for Win4Lin currently, and it only runs Windows 95/98). For more information on Win4Lin, visit www.netraverse.com Mur! On Thu, 17 May 2001, Rose wrote: > I am interested in vmware and would love to hear from others who have > used this. I just emailed them in hopes of getting an academic discount. > > On the other hand Im all for ending the clutter of two boxes on my desk > and giving one to someone who needs one and using Wine for the major > apps I run like Photoshop 6 and Illustrator. That is if they will work > under wine. I need to investigate that further. > > O/T: My sons Dad called me today all happy, it appears as though page > 226 of O'Reillys Perl for Sys Admin says something about his open > source baby freetds.org, awww! > > Rose > > > ___ > techtalk mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk > ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] desktops and window managers?
At 5/17/01 11:07 AM , Daniel Manrique wrote: >Tis a pretty long rant, hope i don't get everyone snoring here. >[huge snip] >*phew* hope this helped clear things up :) Actually, yes. That was very helpful and enlightening, and didn't make me want to snore at all. Thank you! --Kai MacTane -- "Hey, sister Moonshine, hold me 'til the break of dawn, Hold me long, Hold me hard, Hold me 'til the shadows fade away..." --The Mission UK, "Paradise (Will Shine Like the Moon)" ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
RE: [techtalk] desktops and window managers?
I second that =) -Brian > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kai MacTane > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 11:45 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [techtalk] desktops and window managers? > > > At 5/17/01 11:07 AM , Daniel Manrique wrote: > > >Tis a pretty long rant, hope i don't get everyone snoring here. > >[huge snip] > >*phew* hope this helped clear things up :) > > Actually, yes. That was very helpful and enlightening, and didn't make me > want to snore at all. Thank you! > > --Kai MacTane > -- > "Hey, sister Moonshine, hold me 'til the break of dawn, > Hold me long, > Hold me hard, > Hold me 'til the shadows fade away..." > --The Mission UK, > "Paradise (Will Shine >Like the Moon)" > > > ___ > techtalk mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk > ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
[techtalk] More desktops and window managers
Many thanks to Daniel who patiently answered more questions in this thread, forwarding on for posterity. Original Message Subject: Re: [techtalk] desktops and window managers? Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 13:44:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Daniel Manrique <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > If you have time, do you think > you could expound with an example? like, say I log on to my linux > box, open my gnome desktop session with my sawmill window manager. > correct me here if i go off...gnome handles my background color/image, > the placement of my bottom bar, the icons in it, the icons on my > desktop. Sawmil controls the title bars and fonts of xterms, but I'm > getting the xterm areas and the text inside them from the xserver. everything you see on-screen is displayed by the x server. Clients that connect to it, are the sawmill window manager, your xterm, the GNOME panel, and the GNOME file manager. Interestingly, the GNOME panel is strictly speaking just a program. What GNOME does is start the panel and the file manager (the one that controls the file icons that appear on your "desktop"). > So when I start up Netscape, i'm getting my title bar, window > placement and movablility/closability from sawmill, the look of the > buttons in the browser and lines and shadows and things from Gtk. You're right about the things that sawmill displays. However, netscape doesn't use Gtk. Netscape versions prior to 6 (and mozilla) use Motif; later versions use a toolkit that was developed specifically for Mozilla. The reason they're not using an existing toolkit is to allow for easier cross-platformness. Here's an interesting thing I failed to mention: under the Unix concept of "desktop environment", you can have programs from one environment running in another. I could conceivably use Konqueror with Gnome, or Gnumeric under KDE. They're just programs, after all. Of course the whole idea of a desktop environment is consistency, so it makes sense to stick to apps that were designed for your particular environment; but if you're willing to cope with an app that looks "out of place", you can do so :) > What is X giving my browser? Picture it in layers. The browser issues an instruction, using its toolkit (Motif, in Netscape's case) to draw a button. motif knows that a button is composed of a rectangle with text inside (im simplifying here ;). So the motif function tells the X server to actually draw a rectangle and the text inside. The X server handles the low-level drawing functions. >Who is handling copying and pasting > text? I think X has a clipboard facility. Im not too sure about that but the fact that this works with practically any app would indicate the functionality is provided by X. >And gnome is handling sending windows from the top to the bottom > of the stack, or is that sawmill? That would be sawmill, or any other window manager you're using. >When I use exceed, what is that > replacing? >I thought is was replacing the x server, but how can i be > getting any of this if it's not coming from the x server on my linux > box? Maybe it is replacing the X client, not the server? no, exceed is indeed an X server. You run exceed on your desktop box, then connect to a remote host and run an X app there. That's a client. The client connects to the server (you told it which server to use when you set the DISPLAY environment variable) and then tells the server to start doing stuff, like displaying a window, the stuff inside it, and so on. > I'm sorry if this is tedious, but your explanation is very friendly > and I want to take advantage of this. I'm here to be taken advantage of. heh. Hope this stuff is useful, also, feel free to forward this to the list if you think somebody else would be interested. - Roadmaster * Save a tree- use E-Mail![EMAIL PROTECTED] * __ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] (dumb) Solaris Q
Did you check the nsswitch.conf file to make sure DNS is listed for name resolution? That one always gets me on Sol7-intel. Also, I think you might have to reboot for it to be re-read, at least, again, on 7 you do. Also, try putting another line in /etc/hosts and see if it will use that, just to make sure the network card is working. mc ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Re: techtalk digest, Vol 1 #468 - 18 msgs
On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 11:37:57AM -0500 or thereabouts, Daniel Manrique wrote: > Do keep in mind that neither GNOME nor KDE are window managers. One could > think of them as "desktop environments", a part of which is a window > manager. I knew someoone would brhing this up :) [GNOME window managers] > These days they're using sawfish, i guess because it has a great deal of > control for almost every feature in the window manager. Also it *has* to > be lighter than enlightenment :) However, the GNOME control center has a > panel where you can choose which windowmanager to use. GNOME/windowmaker It hates me and never gets it right for me. But yes, you can. > systems are not hard to come by, though I believe they look awful :) Nooo! Not true! :) (Damn, and I was trying so hard to stay out of this thread!) I use GNOME with windowmaker and all the fancy bits turned off, and they look fine to me. More importantly, they work fine on my Cyrix MediaGX with 32Mb as well as my laptop (PIII with 128Mb). Plus points for me of wmaker: * with the settings I use, it seems fast enough for me. * lots of keybindings. * the buttons on the titlebar are nowhere near each other. I still can't control my mouse properly, no... * I just like the look. :) * does focus-follows-mouse, which I happen to like. * it gets the focusing right, always. I just downloaded oroborus, whose homepage I have promptly managed to misplace. It's apparently derived from aewm. It looks fun. You can alter settings on the fly with a config file you just edit, apparently. Must try this! Telsa ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] desktops and window managers?
Many thanks Dan! I am more awake after reading that! Bravo! At 01:07 PM 5/17/2001 -0500, Daniel Manrique wrote: >Damn :) > >Tis a pretty long rant, hope i don't get everyone snoring here. > >well, in the beginning there was X. X by itself basically provides a way >for a server to communicate with clients. The clients tell the server >"draw a pixel here" and the server handles actually displaying that pixel >on-screen. The interesting part here is that the clients and the server >need not be in the same computer. This is one of the niceties of X. > >However the facilities X as such provides are pretty spartan. draw lines, >pixels, write text on-screen. A client usually works on a rectangular area >on the screen, which is called a window, and specifies all those drawing >operations relative to its window. When a client starts, it requests a >window and the servers gives you a window to work. > >Here's the first concept you were asking about. X by itself only assigns a >rectangular area on the screen for each client. It has no way of >controlling that area; say, moving it, resizing it, or closing the client. >That's where the window manager comes to the rescue. > >"The window manager in X is just another client -- it is not part of the X >window system, although it enjoys special privileges -- and so there is no >single window manager; instead, there are many, which support different >ways for the user to interact with windows and different styles of window >layout, decoration, and keyboard and colormap focus." > >So, first, the Window Manager gives us a way to manipulate windows >themselves. It's the window manager's responsibility to draw a nice frame >and titlebar in each window; actually do something when you drag the >titlebar, or resize the window, or press the "close" button. > >That's a window manager's most basic functionality. However, most window >managers provide functionality like a nice menu for starting applications. >The problem here is that, for most window managers, configuring this menu >is a complicated task. > >there are, of course, a lot of window managers, because since the window >manager is an external component, it's (relatively) easy to write one >according to your preferences, how you want windows to look, how you want >them to behave, and so on. > >Let's focus on the client programs for a moment. Imagine you wanted to >write a client program from scratch, using only the facilities provided by >X. You'd quickly find that Xlib is pretty spartan, and that doing things >like putting buttons on screen, text, or nice controls for the users, is >terribly complicated. > >Luckily, someone else went to the trouble of programming these controls >and giving them to us in a usable form; a library. These controls are >called "widgets" and of course, the library is a "widget library". Then I >just have to call a function from this library with some parameters and >have a button on-screen. > >There are many widget libraries, each according to the author's >preferences in aspect, behavior, and API (application program >interface). Among these are the Athena widgets, Motif, GTK, Qt and so on. > >Here's another question answered. Motif is a widget library. It gives you >facilities for placing buttons, menus and other controls on screen. Motif >originated as the OSF's preferred toolkit. It's now not very widely used >in the free software world, because there are other toolkits, which are >free and possibly less bloated than Motif (the famous "Bloatif has been >zorched" quote, uttered by the guys who wrote the GIMP, when they switched >to Gtk, is a testament to this). > >Let's stop for a moment and put together what we have so far. We have our >client-server graphic system (X). We have several window managers which >manage our client programs; and we have several toolkits which define the >look and feel of our client programs per se. > >As you can see here, a user can have any of several different window >managers. The user can also have several clients, which aren't necessarily >written using the same toolkit. So at any given time I can have six or >seven apps, all looking different and behaving different. This creates a >mess because behavior between the apps is not consistent. If you've ever >used a program written with the Athena widgets, you'll notice it's not too >similar to something written using Gtk. And you'll also remember it's a >mess using all these apps which look so different. This basically negates >the advantage of using a GUI environment in the first place. > >There are other problems here. The way of launching programs varies from >one window manager to the next. Some have a nice menu for launching apps; >others dont, and they expect you to open an xterm and launch all your apps >by invoking the commands. Again, there's no standarization here so it >becomes a mess. > >Finally, there are niceties you expect from a GUI environment which our >scheme hasn't covered. Things like a c
Re: [techtalk] (dumb) Solaris Q
> Also, I think you might > have to reboot for it to be re-read, at least, again, on 7 you do. I don't think this is the case. I just tried it with 8 and all I did was edit the file, didn't even restart any daemons. I don't have a 7 box to play with, but I'm pretty sure it's the same. in fact, I'm quite sure the change is immediate...anyone have a play box to confim with? __ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] vmware
I've used vmware for about 6 months and many I work with use it as well. It really does rock if you *must* use windows apps. The only warning is be sure to have plenty of memory in the box since vmware runs a virual machine it needs as much memory as you normally would need for just a windows box alone. Best part is when windows crashes you don't lose the whole machine..just the window (I love that). Oh I've also run the Adobe tools you mentioned, Dreamweaver and Flash and have had no problems so far. I'm a tad out of it today so I hope that I am making sense. Oh and I am not sure if they have an academic discount. Last time I checked they didn't and that will really hurt them as a company. (There is a ton of software I started using when I was a student just because there was an academic discount and still use it now because of that). Good luck, Melissa Rose wrote: > > I am interested in vmware and would love to hear from others who have > used this. I just emailed them in hopes of getting an academic discount. > > On the other hand Im all for ending the clutter of two boxes on my desk > and giving one to someone who needs one and using Wine for the major > apps I run like Photoshop 6 and Illustrator. That is if they will work > under wine. I need to investigate that further. > > O/T: My sons Dad called me today all happy, it appears as though page > 226 of O'Reillys Perl for Sys Admin says something about his open > source baby freetds.org, awww! > > Rose > > ___ > techtalk mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk -- /* /* Melissa Plunkett /* System/Network Administrator /* [EMAIL PROTECTED] /* College of Education /* University of Missouri - Columbia /* 111 London Hall /* Columbia, MO 65211 /* Phone: (573) 884-6835 /* Fax: (573) 884-5158 */ ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Red Hat, Quanta+, Bluefish (was: window manager preference?)
well, now that we're onto web development tools, hehe .. i think it was on this list that i found bluefish, and now it's all i use hehe. i don't feel like i'm 'cheating' yet .. i just use it mainly for the color coding of the html code and for hex numbers for all the colors. however, does anyone else have trouble with it remembering the state/size of the window? it's no big deal .. just a bit annoying .. abe ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Re: techtalk digest, Vol 1 #468 - 18 msgs
> > > Quoth Coldfire: > > i was just curious what the window manager of > > > choice is on this > > list :) .. i'm a die hard windowmaker fan... > > > > > > I'm currently addicted to Gnome - only because on my possessed > > computer only Gnome works with my motherboard's built in sound card. > > I like to listen to MP3s sometimes when I use Linux and read my email > > and whatnot. For some reason KDE locks up on me too - but like I said > > - the computer is possessed. > > Do keep in mind that neither GNOME nor KDE are window managers. One could > think of them as "desktop environments", a part of which is a window > manager. yeah, when someone just says "GNOME," i just assume they're running sawfish. if they know enough to pick another windowmanager under GNOME, they usually say GNOME with . :) abe ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Re: techtalk digest, Vol 1 #468 - 18 msgs
> BTW, hello to the list - It's nice to meet you all. > I'm an MCSE in NT 4 but I prefer Linux not only for > the cost (I downloaded Mandrake 8) but also because of > the security, honesty, and all the quality programs > and Linux boots up really fast with ReiserFS. which i'd like to recommend to anyone who hasn't tried it ... reiserfs is an incredible filesystem .. my filesystem of choice actually :) just make sure you backup any sensitive data .. you never know what can happen when converting :) abe ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Parallel port zip drives under RH 7.1 (2.4 kernel change, perhaps)
On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 10:55:01AM -0500 or so it is rumoured hereabouts, Daniel Manrique thought: > > I went into Preferences->Information->SCSI in KDE2 and found this: > > > > Attached devices: > > Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 06 Lun: 00 > > Vendor: IOMEGA Model: ZIP 100 Rev: D.09 > > Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > > > > I saw the SCSI ID of 6, but /dev/sda6 doesn't work either. Obviously, the OS > > knows it's there. How do I make it work? > > There's no relationship between the SCSI ID of a device and the partition > within that device. All zip disks (notice, *disks*) use the fourth > partition. So it would always be /dev/sdX4. > > As for that mysterious X, that also doesn't necessarily have to do with > the SCSI id for the device. I have a SCSI zipdrive on ID 5 and it's not Incidentally, did you try /dev/sd[bcde]4 ? Does this ppa module mean I can hook up a parallel port CDRW also? Conor -- Conor Daly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Domestic Sysadmin :-) - Faenor.cod.ie 9:45pm up 17 days, 36 min, 0 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Hobbiton.cod.ie 9:52pm up 17 days, 44 min, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] (dumb) Solaris Q
I know in linux the change is immediate (at least with your resolv.conf), I don't see why in Solaris it would be different. The nsswitch bit might not be quite as dynamic but I've always been able to change nameservers on the fly. At 16:54 on May 17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] combined all the right...: > > Also, I think you might > > have to reboot for it to be re-read, at least, again, on 7 you do. > > I don't think this is the case. I just tried it with 8 and all I did > was edit the file, didn't even restart any daemons. I don't have a 7 > box to play with, but I'm pretty sure it's the same. in fact, I'm > quite sure the change is immediate...anyone have a play box to confim > with? ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] (dumb) Solaris Q
AHH good idea. I knew there was something else in /etc that I just couldn't think of that handled resolution. I know the card is working, I can ping things by IP just not by their name (no lookups happen). I can even ping my DNS'. I will try the /etc/hosts to make sure it can resolve that way. -nicole At 13:40 on May 17, mc combined all the right letters to say: > Did you check the nsswitch.conf file to make sure DNS is listed for name > resolution? That one always gets me on Sol7-intel. Also, I think you might > have to reboot for it to be re-read, at least, again, on 7 you do. > > Also, try putting another line in /etc/hosts and see if it will use that, > just to make sure the network card is working. ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Java
Scott wrote: > I am thinking of doing some of the work in Java. Since my experience > with Java is limited, > has anyone else used Java heavily for web based applications? Not 'heavily' yet, just for one project and that a standalone. But it's winning me over. Jenn V. -- "Do you ever wonder if there's a whole section of geek culture you miss out on by being a geek?" - Dancer. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jenn Vesperman http://www.simegen.com/~jenn/ ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Internet Connection Sharing
> > Hi! > > > > I was using Mandrake 7.2 for Internet Connection on my home PC's. They > are > > sharing > > a modem there since I can not get DSL or cable yet. I had to convert the > > machine to > > Win 2K for work reasons and I am using the Internet Connection Sharing > > built into Win > > 2K and in a word--it sucks. I want to go back to Linux to do the job. > Has > > anyone set > > this up -without- the Mandrake wizard? > > > http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO.html is what I used to > setup connection sharing. And if I can do it, ANYONE can do it =D > > - Kath that IP-Masquerade-HOWTO is pretty old if i recall ... i'd suggest using iptables .. but that's just because it's a big step over ipchains .. however, if you're just going to setup a simple gateway, ipchains would be more than sufficient and that HOWTO would suffice. it's actually quite easy with the HOWTO, so don't be afraid! :) abe ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] (dumb) Solaris Q
> > I don't think this is the case. I just tried it with 8 and all I did was edit the file, didn't even restart any daemons. I don't have a 7 box to play with, but I'm pretty sure it's the same. in fact, I'm quite sure the change is immediate...anyone have a play box to confim with? > You probably don't have to reboot, it has been awhile since I set up Solaris-Intel. If I can move some hardware, I may get my 7 box up and running again and check, but it probably won't be tonight :) mc ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] (dumb) Solaris Q
Solaris has a utility called /usr/sbin/dhcpconfig. I've never used it, but it may be worth trying out. Also, when doing ANY Solaris-related stuff, I strongly recommend bookmarking the sunmanagers mailing list search page: http://www.latech.edu/sunman-search.html This is an excellent list. Just be sure to read the FAQ if you want to post because they have very strict rules. Jen On Thu, 17 May 2001, mc wrote: > > > > I don't think this is the case. I just tried it with 8 and all I did was > edit the file, didn't even restart any daemons. I don't have a 7 box to > play with, but I'm pretty sure it's the same. in fact, I'm quite sure the > change is immediate...anyone have a play box to confim with? > > > > You probably don't have to reboot, it has been awhile since I set up > Solaris-Intel. If I can move some hardware, I may get my 7 box up and > running again and check, but it probably won't be tonight :) > > mc > > > > ___ > techtalk mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk > ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] (dumb) Solaris Q
So this was sort of the problem (the nsswitch.conf). When I installed, I swear I selected DNS. I entered the DNS servers. All was good. BUT the installer copied the DEFAULT /etc/nsswitch.conf over from /etc/nsswitch.files instead of the /etc/nsswitch.dns (which uses name resolution instead of *nothing*). So all I did was cp /etc/nsswitch.dns /etc/nsswitch.conf and it works now! I changed the domain servers back over to the local ones and I get inside and outside resolution just fine. Both of these changes were dynamic, I did not have to reboot to get them to work. (SO that answers another question :o)) Thanks all for your help. -nicole At 13:40 on May 17, mc combined all the right letters to say: > Did you check the nsswitch.conf file to make sure DNS is listed for name > resolution? That one always gets me on Sol7-intel. Also, I think you might > have to reboot for it to be re-read, at least, again, on 7 you do. ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] (dumb) Solaris Q
I seem to remember it was the nsswitch that caused me all the problems and made me reboot. Then again, the first time I set up a Solaris intel box, I rebooted, reinstalled, and just made a mess of things more than once :) mc - Original Message - From: "Nicole Zimmerman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I know in linux the change is immediate (at least with your resolv.conf), > I don't see why in Solaris it would be different. The nsswitch bit might > not be quite as dynamic but I've always been able to change nameservers on > the fly. > ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] vmware
On Thu, 17 May 2001, Rose wrote: > I am interested in vmware and would love to hear from others who have > used this. I just emailed them in hopes of getting an academic discount. > > On the other hand Im all for ending the clutter of two boxes on my desk > and giving one to someone who needs one and using Wine for the major > apps I run like Photoshop 6 and Illustrator. That is if they will work > under wine. I need to investigate that further. > > O/T: My sons Dad called me today all happy, it appears as though page > 226 of O'Reillys Perl for Sys Admin says something about his open > source baby freetds.org, awww! I am using VMware at home, and I must agree that the best feature is not crashing the whole box, just the window. I also am very appreciative of the fact that if you corrupt the Windows system by some installation or configuration, you can regress. In fact, I keep a special "clean" work installation of Win98 and all my work-related applications, so if I need to regress, it takes about 2 minutes. I personally find that Win98 is far less likely to crash under VMware than on an actual box. My friend theorizes that it is because Win98 is being presented with an "ideal" machine setup. The only real "problem" I encountered recently was when my cursor response started getting slower and slower. Turns out that the xserver had "been up too long" and needed to be restarted. That said, I haven't rebooted my Linux box in 120 days, and my VMware session in over 2 weeks. My only wish for VMware is joystick support. I hear that it is on the "to-do" list. I believe that the "hobbyist" rate is no longer around, but they say they have an educational discount. Don't know what that is. Dawn-Marie "How much change is needed before something is no longer the same?" ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] (dumb) Solaris Q
Does it say anything in the messages files? (on Solaris it's /var/adm/messages). Jen On Thu, 17 May 2001, Nicole Zimmerman wrote: > > I know in linux the change is immediate (at least with your resolv.conf), > I don't see why in Solaris it would be different. The nsswitch bit might > not be quite as dynamic but I've always been able to change nameservers on > the fly. > > At 16:54 on May 17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] combined all the right...: > > > > Also, I think you might > > > have to reboot for it to be re-read, at least, again, on 7 you do. > > > > I don't think this is the case. I just tried it with 8 and all I did > > was edit the file, didn't even restart any daemons. I don't have a 7 > > box to play with, but I'm pretty sure it's the same. in fact, I'm > > quite sure the change is immediate...anyone have a play box to confim > > with? > > > ___ > techtalk mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk > ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Java
There is an NT version of Apache as well as MySQL and PHP. If your people are absolutely married to MS you might look into installing and playing with those. The SQL you have should port to MySQL (I read the man pages recently and think that was one). If nothing else, you will learn how to set up MySQL, PHP and Apache together and will be one step closer to setting it up quickly when your company gets fed up with MS and goes totally open source. Carol At 09:32 AM 5/17/01 -0400, Scott wrote: >I work for an MS all the time shop. Win 2K Server, SQL 2000 Server, >etc. Our clients >all have MS set-up at their site. I am doing a web based application in >all asp and just >got "caught" using PHP. I was redirecting traffic to a Linux server I >have running Apache >and PHP and would do some processing there and then redirect back. > >I am thinking of doing some of the work in Java. Since my experience with >Java is limited, >has anyone else used Java heavily for web based applications? > >-Scott > > >___ >techtalk mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Internet Connection Sharing
On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 05:33:56PM -0400, coldfire wrote: > > > Hi! > > > > > > I was using Mandrake 7.2 for Internet Connection on my home PC's. They > > are > > > sharing > > > a modem there since I can not get DSL or cable yet. I had to convert the > > > machine to > > > Win 2K for work reasons and I am using the Internet Connection Sharing > > > built into Win > > > 2K and in a word--it sucks. I want to go back to Linux to do the job. > > Has > > > anyone set > > > this up -without- the Mandrake wizard? > > > > > http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO.html is what I used to > > setup connection sharing. And if I can do it, ANYONE can do it =D > > > > - Kath > > that IP-Masquerade-HOWTO is pretty old if i recall ... i'd suggest using > iptables .. but that's just because it's a big step over ipchains .. > however, if you're just going to setup a simple gateway, ipchains would be > more than sufficient and that HOWTO would suffice. it's actually quite > easy with the HOWTO, so don't be afraid! :) That HOWTO was updated in November of 2000. If you have any trouble and the HOWTO doesn't help you, feel free to file that as a bug report with the author and/or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards, -- Dr. David C. Merrill http://www.lupercalia.net Linux Documentation Project [EMAIL PROTECTED] Collection Editor & Coordinatorhttp://www.linuxdoc.org Finger me for my public key Leveraging always beats prototyping. ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Internet Connection Sharing
I tried following the HOWTO verbatim on my Ultra Sparc running Mandrake Corporate Server and no luck. I was using my lap top running Win 2k to test it. The lap top was not able to get out on the net. I will play with it some more and let you know. At 07:42 PM 5/17/2001 -0400, you wrote: That HOWTO was updated in November of 2000. If you have any trouble and the HOWTO doesn't help you, feel free to file that as a bug report with the author and/or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] (dumb) Solaris Q
On 17 May, Nicole Zimmerman wrote: > I know this isn't a linux question, but this is one of the few places I > feel safe asking those silly questions :o) > > I installed Solaris (8, the x86 version) on a box at work. I have unix > experience and loads of linux experience, but none specifically with > administering a Solaris box. I am having a networking issue. > > On the install, it asked if I'd like to use DHCP networking -- I said yes. > When asked what kind of name services I'd like to use, I chose DNS and > entered my LAN's DNS sever (for local name resolution and sending things > to the outside world). In the install, it told me they were not correct (I > assume by trying to resolve something), but I moved on (these DNS' work on > every other machine on the LAN, but they are all linux or windows). When > the install finished, no, it couldn't resolve anything using the DNS > entries that work everywhere else. SO I tried going into my > /etc/resolv.conf and changing it to the "old" DNS server, with only > outside-world name resolution. This didn't work either. > > Our network is set up with a DHCP server on 192.168.1.2. This is also a > DNS, as is 192.168.168.2 (or so the DHCP server sends on to all other > machines). The machine in question can get an IP and it can ping things > directly by their IP (outside or inside of the LAN), it just can't > resolve. The one machine that is static and using the external DNS (other > than the Solaris box) can ping and resolve (just not the local name > resolution, obvoiusly). > > There aren't any typos in the resolv.conf, I had my husband check :o) I had a similar problem with Solaris 8 - I was determined not to reboot the damned thing, but we couldn't find a problem *anywhere*. It would resolve things fine with nslookup, but as soon as any *other* program tried to resolve something, it would fail (ping, telnet, etc). (We being a reasonable Solaris self-proclaimed expert and me.) In the end a power outage rebooted the machine & all was well. We just sort of left it as gremlins or something - if anyone has a better suggestion though... :) Catie -- Acephali \A*ceph"a*li\, n. pl. [LL., pl. of acephalus. See Acephal.] 1. A fabulous people reported by ancient writers to have heads. - http://www.dictionary.com http://www.liedra.net ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Internet Connection Sharing
well, i particularly enjoy networking stuff ... so if you need any help, feel free to post and i'd love to help out as i'm sure others would too :) quick question .. are you using ipfwadm, ipchains, or iptables? abe On Thu, 17 May 2001, Scott wrote: > I tried following the HOWTO verbatim on my Ultra Sparc running Mandrake > Corporate Server and no luck. I was using my lap top running Win 2k to test > it. The lap top was not able to get out on the net. I will play with it some > more and let you know. > > > At 07:42 PM 5/17/2001 -0400, you wrote: > That HOWTO was updated in November of 2000. If you have any trouble > and the HOWTO doesn't help you, feel free to file that as a bug report > with the author and/or [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ___ > techtalk mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk > ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Internet Connection Sharing
Thanks for the offer, getting off the Win 2K box for ICS has become my weekend project. It is just not reliable. I was yelling at my ISP for bad performance, they told me to reboot the Win 2K box and the speed was back for a whopping 12 hours. So, needless to say I want to get back over the using Linux for the task. In answer to your question, I am using ipchains on Mandrake Corporate Server on an Ultra Sparc. -sap On Thu, 17 May 2001, coldfire wrote: > well, i particularly enjoy networking stuff ... so if you need any help, > feel free to post and i'd love to help out as i'm sure others would too :) > quick question .. are you using ipfwadm, ipchains, or iptables? > > abe > > On Thu, 17 May 2001, Scott wrote: > > > I tried following the HOWTO verbatim on my Ultra Sparc running Mandrake > > Corporate Server and no luck. I was using my lap top running Win 2k to test > > it. The lap top was not able to get out on the net. I will play with it some > > more and let you know. > > > > > > At 07:42 PM 5/17/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > That HOWTO was updated in November of 2000. If you have any trouble > > and the HOWTO doesn't help you, feel free to file that as a bug report > > with the author and/or [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > ___ > > techtalk mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk > > > > > ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Internet Connection Sharing
From: coldfire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > well, i particularly enjoy networking stuff ... so if you need any help, > feel free to post and i'd love to help out as i'm sure others would too :) > quick question .. are you using ipfwadm, ipchains, or iptables? ... and speaking of internet stuff, I just signed up for Roadrunner and it will be a week or three before I have a Linux machine that I'm able to use as a firewall. Is there any hope for running a Windows 98 machine connected to the Internet with file sharing enabled and =not= get hacked in the first hour I'm connected?!? The machine I was supposed to be getting in to run all this stuff isn't going to be ready until next week, so this machine needs to stay running Windows until then. -- Julie. ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Internet Connection Sharing
On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 10:11:36PM -0500, Julie wrote: > From: coldfire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > well, i particularly enjoy networking stuff ... so if you need any help, > > feel free to post and i'd love to help out as i'm sure others would too :) > > quick question .. are you using ipfwadm, ipchains, or iptables? > > ... and speaking of internet stuff, I just signed up for Roadrunner > and it will be a week or three before I have a Linux machine that > I'm able to use as a firewall. > > Is there any hope for running a Windows 98 machine connected > to the Internet with file sharing enabled and =not= get hacked in > the first hour I'm connected?!? The machine I was supposed to > be getting in to run all this stuff isn't going to be ready until next > week, so this machine needs to stay running Windows until then. There are software firewall programs for Win98 that should make it safer. Not really safe, but safer. I don't know of any free ones, though. -- Dr. David C. Merrill http://www.lupercalia.net Linux Documentation Project [EMAIL PROTECTED] Collection Editor & Coordinatorhttp://www.linuxdoc.org Finger me for my public key The most important early product on the way to developing a good product is an imperfect version. ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] window manager preference?
On Thu, 17 May 2001, coldfire wrote: > i was just curious what the window manager of choice is on this list :) .. > i'm a die hard windowmaker fan ... but i just installed enlightenment and > it's not that bad .. a bit resource intensive though .. same for GNOME > from my experiences. i think blackbox is next on my list. haven't used > that for a while now .. > > abe > Bash. :) Seriously, I usually work in console mode most of the time, and prefer it to X or other GUI's. When I'm in X, I usually use Gnome for a desktop manager, and the default Sawfish window manager, though I'm not quite happy with Sawfish. I used to use icewm when I had a 486 because of the low memory requirements. I've tried out tons of different window managers, but only for brief periods of time. I've usually either used fvwm or icewm most of the time. Mostly, of course, I'm in console, using bash psyche ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Internet Connection Sharing
www.zonelabs.com They do one of the better free ones. -.-. --.- Mark Foster - [EMAIL PROTECTED] IT Manager, Intermech Ltd +64-21-499-368 / +64-9-525-2220 http://www.intermech.co.nz - Original Message - From: "David Merrill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [techtalk] Internet Connection Sharing > On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 10:11:36PM -0500, Julie wrote: > > From: coldfire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > well, i particularly enjoy networking stuff ... so if you need any help, > > > feel free to post and i'd love to help out as i'm sure others would too :) > > > quick question .. are you using ipfwadm, ipchains, or iptables? > > > > ... and speaking of internet stuff, I just signed up for Roadrunner > > and it will be a week or three before I have a Linux machine that > > I'm able to use as a firewall. > > > > Is there any hope for running a Windows 98 machine connected > > to the Internet with file sharing enabled and =not= get hacked in > > the first hour I'm connected?!? The machine I was supposed to > > be getting in to run all this stuff isn't going to be ready until next > > week, so this machine needs to stay running Windows until then. > > There are software firewall programs for Win98 that should make it > safer. Not really safe, but safer. I don't know of any free ones, > though. > > -- > Dr. David C. Merrill http://www.lupercalia.net > Linux Documentation Project [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Collection Editor & Coordinatorhttp://www.linuxdoc.org >Finger me for my public key > > The most important early product on the way to developing a good product > is an imperfect version. > > ___ > techtalk mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk > ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Internet Connection Sharing
From: Mark Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > www.zonelabs.com > > They do one of the better free ones. Thanks. Because the free one I just tried kept my machine from booting ;-( -- Julie. ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Internet Connection Sharing
On Thu, 17 May 2001, Julie wrote: > From: coldfire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > well, i particularly enjoy networking stuff ... so if you need any help, > > feel free to post and i'd love to help out as i'm sure others would too :) > > quick question .. are you using ipfwadm, ipchains, or iptables? > > ... and speaking of internet stuff, I just signed up for Roadrunner > and it will be a week or three before I have a Linux machine that > I'm able to use as a firewall. > > Is there any hope for running a Windows 98 machine connected > to the Internet with file sharing enabled and =not= get hacked in > the first hour I'm connected?!? If the Win machine has two network cards - one for the cable modem, one for the LAN - you should be able to unbind file/print sharing from the cable modem's NIC. That way, as far as the Net's concerned, you AREN'T running file/print sharing: that's only visible to the LAN. That should be reasonably secure; round here, there are plenty of Win9x machines permanently connected to the Net without any firewalling (a couple of port blocks - FTP, Netbios, finger and SMTP) and they seem to survive, despite our network being port scanned several times a day by external users... James. -- "Our attitude with TCP/IP is, `Hey, we'll do it, but don't make a big system, because we can't fix it if it breaks -- nobody can.'" "TCP/IP is OK if you've got a little informal club, and it doesn't make any difference if it takes a while to fix it." -- Ken Olson, in Digital News, 1988 ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
