[RBW] Re: Rapha and Rivendell (via Bridgestone)

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Link for this wool and steel collabo?

On Feb 25, 9:54 am, James Valiensi  wrote:
> DId you see the video? Its for the Rapha-Paul Smith Collection. It seems all 
> the riders are on cool steel bikes.
>
> Pink is the new black and steel is the new carbon fiber!
>
> James Valiensi, PE
> Northridge, CA
> H818.775.1847 M.818.585.1796
>
> On Feb 25, 2011, at 9:40 AM, kps wrote:
>
> > just got an email from Rapha about a new pink base layer merino
> > jersey.
> > noticed immediately the guy in the accompanying photo was riding a
> > moustache-barred bike, then noticed the bike was orange, and then
> > noticed it was an xo-1.  pretty cool nod to Grant and Rivendell, if
> > you ask me.
> > -k
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[RBW] Re: Rapha and Rivendell (via Bridgestone)

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See, it's all rumor and innuendo here on the interwebs!

On Feb 25, 12:01 pm, Aaron Thomas  wrote:
> The rumor is true, at least in part. I was on Rapha's Santa Monica
> Gentlemen's ride, but I wasn't riding my Romulus. I opted for my old lugged
> steel Ciöcc. There is at least a tangential Rivendell connection, however,
> in that I built up the Ciöcc with Mark's Nitto Mod. 178 handlebars.

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[RBW] Re: Rapha and Rivendell (via Bridgestone)

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Nothing foppish about those scars:  http://tinyurl.com/5ujhjes

On Feb 25, 11:46 am, Michael_S  wrote:
> with scars and all!  And he was't the only one, the ride leader on our
> recent SD ride was sporting some of those fancy-smancy Rapha touring
> shorts if I recall.
>
> Seriously, I like their stuff, well designed, discreet and well made.
> If it was more reasonably priced I would buy some jerseys and shorts.
> I think it goes very well with Riv bikes in a foppish sort of way.
> They have spawned a number of clones as well, like ShuttVR and Torm.
>
> Of course here in Southern California we all dress like that.
>
> ~Mike
>
> On Feb 25, 11:20 am, "cyclotour...@gmail.com" 
> wrote:
>
> > It's rumored one of our own was on the recent Rapha Gentlemen's ride
> > in LA and riding a Romulus.
>
> >  It has yet to be confirmed though.
>
> > On Feb 25, 11:18 am, "cyclotour...@gmail.com" 
> > wrote:
>
> > > Cool, thanks.  Total XO-1 shout out there!
>
> > > Filmed in LA BTW, including the LA River.
>
> > > On Feb 25, 10:58 am, Jeremy Till  wrote:
>
> > > >http://www.rapha.cc/rapha-plus-paul-smith--spring-summer-2011
>
> > > > On Feb 25, 10:54 am, "cyclotour...@gmail.com" 
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > Link for this wool and steel collabo?
>
> > > > > On Feb 25, 9:54 am, James Valiensi  wrote:
>
> > > > > > DId you see the video? Its for the Rapha-Paul Smith Collection. It 
> > > > > > seems all the riders are on cool steel bikes.
>
> > > > > > Pink is the new black and steel is the new carbon fiber!
>
> > > > > > James Valiensi, PE
> > > > > > Northridge, CA
> > > > > > H818.775.1847 M.818.585.1796
>
> > > > > > On Feb 25, 2011, at 9:40 AM, kps wrote:
>
> > > > > > > just got an email from Rapha about a new pink base layer merino
> > > > > > > jersey.
> > > > > > > noticed immediately the guy in the accompanying photo was riding a
> > > > > > > moustache-barred bike, then noticed the bike was orange, and then
> > > > > > > noticed it was an xo-1.  pretty cool nod to Grant and Rivendell, 
> > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > you ask me.
> > > > > > > -k
>
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[RBW] Re: Warning: non-scientific experiment under construction (650B vs 700C)

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textiles?

On Feb 25, 12:13 pm, Michael_S  wrote:
> Dang, Bill you are driving me down the road to ruin. All this talk
> about Hetres being faster/smoother/better is making me want a 650B
> bike even more.
> After convincing my SO that I was not fickle and I could keep a bike
> for at least a few years, I'm seriously contemplating some 650B
> experiments of my own. (Must be that Engineer/Scientist brain
> phenomenon).
>
> At least you didn't mention the T word!
>
> ~Mike
>
> On Feb 25, 12:02 pm, Michael_S  wrote:
>
> > On my own I don't care how fast I go. My goal is to enjoy the
> > outdoors, exercise my body or to get somewhere. When I ride with
> > others I want to go fast enough to stay with the group, or perhaps
> > meet some time limit in an organized ride.
> > And I still enjoy pushing my body and going fast, sometimes (actually
> > most of the time)
> > It also means I can cover a greater distance and see more.
>
> > I don't see those as bad things. Each person has their own personal
> > goals and preferences.  If I'm happy with mine than it doesn't matter
> > what others think
>
> > ~Mike
>
> > On Feb 25, 11:34 am, Peter Pesce  wrote:
>
> > > Very cool idea to have one bike that works for both sizes, and a
> > > stroke of minor genius to think of up-sizing the 650B bike, rather
> > > than down-sizing a 700. I was hoping I could convert my Sam to 650B,
> > > just to see what all the fuss is about, but it only took a few
> > > measurements to see that it wouldn't really work.
>
> > > I am curious to see your test results, but can't see how they'd be in
> > > any way meaningful - jut too many variables.
>
> > > I can see how speed matters on a brevet, and to some degree on commute
> > > (especially a 35-miler) but I, too, keep coming back to Grant's
> > > question (paraphrased): "If we all like riding so much, why are we
> > > always in such a hurry to get it over with as fast as possible?"
>
> > > On Feb 25, 1:04 pm, William  wrote:
>
> > > > OK so I made a sort of self-indulgent mod to my A. Homer Hilsen.  I
> > > > set up the normally 650B bike with a 700C wheelset and short reach
> > > > brakes.  It's a wheelset I already had, and a short-reach brakeset I
> > > > already had.  So now I have a single bike that can easily be taken on
> > > > a ride with 650Bx(whatever) tires one day, and taken on the same ride
> > > > with 700x(23-28) tires the next, or whatever.
>
> > > > I bought the bike because of the feel of 650B, and I'm thrilled with
> > > > it.  Like most of you, I've been skeptical of the claims from Jan H
> > > > and others that fat tires are faster.  That said, on brevets in the
> > > > last couple of months, I've been surprised at how quickly I catch and
> > > > pass riders on coasting descents when I'm on 650x38 at 50psi and they
> > > > are on 700x23 and I presume 90-110psi.  That's anecdotal, and doesn't
> > > > necessarily mean anything, but it was surprising.
>
> > > > So, now I think it will be fun to do a pseudo-scientific spot
> > > > comparison between 650B and 700C.  My commute to work is a 35-mile
> > > > hilly ride through the east bay hills from El Cerrito to South
> > > > Hayward.  A good chunk of that is a non-stop stretch.  I can usually
> > > > get from my front door to a traffic signal in front of Castro Valley
> > > > High School without stopping or putting my foot down.  The next 10
> > > > times I do this commute, I'm going to alternate between the two
> > > > wheelsets, and record my time for the same non-stop stretch for these
> > > > ten rides.  The 650B tires will be hetres at 50/45psi, and the 700C
> > > > tires will be continental gatorskin 28s at 85/80psi.
>
> > > > Anyone care to guess which will seem faster?  Too close to call?
> > > > Impossible to test unless the rider is blind to the wheel
> > > > configuration?  Any advice on keeping the data clean?- Hide quoted text 
> > > > -
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Ibex El Fito wool Knickers - medium-sizing?

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Mike, I'm at the top end of medium (34) and Novarra (REI), MUSA and
Kucharik all fit me fine in medium.  The Ibex was uncomfortably tight
around my abdomen though.  I should have ordered a large at the same
time, to check and see if that would work, but that's not usually a
problem.   If I were you, I would buy both and send back the one that
doesn't fit.

On Feb 28, 7:12 am, Michael_S  wrote:
> That's nice to hear. I was looking at getting a pair but I'm not sure
> of sizing. I wear a large in all other shorts but maybe I'll get an XL
> in these?
>
> ~Mike
>
> On Feb 27, 10:57 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
>
> > Brand new with tags.  I wear a medium in everything else, but these are a
> > touch too tight.  I can get them on my 34 waist, but they are uncomfortably
> > tight when on, so they run a bit small
>
> > $90 shipped to your door.
>
> > --
> > Cheers,
> > David
> > Redlands, CA
>
> > *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would
> > probably benefit more from
> > improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS
>
> > --
> > Cheers,
> > David
> > Redlands, CA
>
> > *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would
> > probably benefit more from
> > improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS

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[RBW] Re: Best non-Nitto/VO seatpost?

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I don't see it on their site yet?  Is it available or an upcoming
item?

On Mar 3, 8:24 am, omnigrid  wrote:

> on the cnd'd front, paul comp has a new
> seatpost with massive setback.

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[RBW] Re: Best non-Nitto/VO seatpost?

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Thanks!  Would be nice if Riv carries a silver version of it.  Riv and
Paul Comp seem to have a pretty good relationship.


On Mar 3, 11:48 am, Michael_S  wrote:
> couldn't open the page on Paul's site but here is pic in black.
>
> http://urbanvelo.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/NAHBS_2011_...
>
> I too don't care for the Thomson, even the setback model has limited
> setback ( 17mm)
>
> ~Mike
>
> On Mar 3, 11:09 am, "cyclotour...@gmail.com" 
> wrote:
>
> > I don't see it on their site yet?  Is it available or an upcoming
> > item?
>
> > On Mar 3, 8:24 am, omnigrid  wrote:
>
> > > on the cnd'd front, paul comp has a new
> > > seatpost with massive setback.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: Best non-Nitto/VO seatpost?

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That silver one is pretty nice, but probably will be beyond my
budget.   Thomsons are great as you can find used ones out there
pretty reasonably ($50 range).

On Mar 3, 12:35 pm, omnigrid  wrote:
> looks like they took the page down -- perhaps they'll unveil it later...but
> images are still out there.
>
> http://paulcomp.com/images/seatpostmain.jpghttp://paulcomp.com/images/seatpostd2full.jpghttp://paulcomp.com/images/seatpostd2full.jpg
>
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 2:16 PM, cyclotour...@gmail.com <
>
> cyclotour...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Thanks!  Would be nice if Riv carries a silver version of it.  Riv and
> > Paul Comp seem to have a pretty good relationship.
>
> > On Mar 3, 11:48 am, Michael_S  wrote:
> > > couldn't open the page on Paul's site but here is pic in black.
>
> > >http://urbanvelo.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/NAHBS_2011_...
>
> > > I too don't care for the Thomson, even the setback model has limited
> > > setback ( 17mm)
>
> > > ~Mike
>
> > > On Mar 3, 11:09 am, "cyclotour...@gmail.com" 
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > I don't see it on their site yet?  Is it available or an upcoming
> > > > item?
>
> > > > On Mar 3, 8:24 am, omnigrid  wrote:
>
> > > > > on the cnd'd front, paul comp has a new
> > > > > seatpost with massive setback.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
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[RBW] Re: Tire size question... don't know where else to ask it.

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In a Rivndellian spirit, I would say get the bike that will take the
largest tires possible.  Plus fenders!  Even if you don't run tires
that wide 90% of the time, you still have the option of it for the
other 10%.

My $.02

On Mar 15, 10:51 pm, Rene Sterental  wrote:
> With all the expertise in this group, I'm going to take the liberty of
> asking a tire question for a non-Riv bike. I apologize but I don't know
> where else to ask it.
>
> I'm going to get a Bike Friday Pocket Llama so I can take a bicycle with me
> when I travel. I travel quite frequently for business and always feel that
> if I just had a bike with me on most places where I go to, I'd be able to
> enjoy myself more and also get to sight see the place rather than getting
> stuck in the hotel or having to rent a car. In the Riv spirit, the bike is
> steel and will have racks so I can also carry my bags and perhaps even do
> some touring with it.
>
> I can get either a BF Llama or a BF World Tourer. The only difference is
> that the Llama can take Big Apples 2.0 tires while the World Tourer only
> takes up to 1.75" tires, the idea being that the Llama can be ridden on dirt
> trails more easily. I know very little about the properties of 20" wheeled
> bikes, but I wonder if the benefit of being able to ride the Big Apples are
> as relevant on these bikes as they are on the Rivendells.
>
> Thanks for the feedback,
>
> René

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

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So you are here!  There goes all my credibility...

On Mar 18, 9:42 am, doug peterson  wrote:
> Khalid:
>
> What size(s) are you considering?  The 58 & 61 have some overlap in
> PBH & seat height.  Riv suggested a 61 for me but I'd never ridden
> anything larger than a 58.  I went with 58 with a 10 cm stem & it's
> been perfect.  FWIW, I'd never even seen a Rivendell live before I
> unpacked mine.  I just put the h'bars & seat at the height of my old
> bike, hopped on & took off.  Within a mile I knew I'd gotten the right
> size.  I've only got an inch or so of clearance with both feet on the
> ground, with 35 mm tires.  A bit of clearance when you hop off is
> comforting.
>
> I don't recall my PBH but it must be in the high 80s.  I'm 5'11", 32"
> inseam.  Initially I was talking to Riv about a custom (I thought I
> wanted couplings) but after all the measurin'n'figurin', they
> suggested just buying a stock Atlantis.  Best bicycle advice I've ever
> gotten.
>
> Have you taken all your bike's measurements?  In addition to you,
> measure your current bike's relation of seat to h'bars, seat height,
> etc.  As others have suggested, talk to Riv live about this.  Knowing
> what you're comfortable with now helps clarify the size question.
>
> dougP
>
> On Mar 17, 6:55 pm, Khalid Mateen  wrote:
>
> > Hello everyone:
>
> > I am new to this forum and I have a question to ask about ordering an
> > Atlantis.  I have taken my PBH but I am no where near Walnut Creek
> > California.  I am on the east coast of the US and no where near a Rivendell
> > Dealer.  Can you tell me, your experience of bicycle fit when ordering over
> > the phone a bicycle that you have never tried?  Did the bicycle feel to big
> > or too small?  I have always heard good things about the people who work for
> > Rivendell Bicycle works but wanted to ask people who actually purchase their
> > bicycles.
>
> > THanks
>
> > Khalid

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[RBW] Re: Yves Gomez

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The Betty is nicer looking in my opinion, and everyone just presumes
you're riding a "girl's" bike no matter what the name is, so might as
well just have one.  Why the price difference anyway?   Gender-
bais


On Apr 12, 8:08 am, Bob Baxter  wrote:
> I ride a Betty Foy, didn't want to spend the extra $200 for the Ives
> Gomez.  If it bothers anyone else it's their problem, not mine.  I
> have an ANT basket bike coming which is another mixte frame, and I
> have a Brompton folder.  Step thru frames rock.
>
> On Apr 11, 5:44 pm, SamuelJames  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Any men ride one?  Just curious cause I would love one but my fragile
> > male ego says no.  does anybody have the Soma Buena Vista?  How do you
> > like that?  Thanks

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[RBW] Re: Yves Gomez

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A, not too bad a deal...

On Apr 13, 10:38 am, Bob Baxter  wrote:
> On Apr 12, 12:23 pm, "cyclotour...@gmail.com" 
> wrote:
>
>  .  Why the price difference anyway?   Gender-> bias
>
>  The $200 is for the custom paint job on the Ives.

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[RBW] Re: IRD Defiant cranksets

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A, interesting... they didn't get the best write up in the recent
BQ.   Hopefully made better than their freewheels!  :-)

On Apr 18, 7:12 am, "Scott G."  wrote:
> The crank shown is a 110 crank with a triplizer, Velo 0range is
> selling the same crank.
>
> http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/cranksets/cranks/gr...
>
> Sugino has a triple 110/74 Alpina in the catalog, no one in US has
> them, if they really exist.
>
> Scott G.
> Just bring back the Zephyr

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[RBW] Now: Lezyne pump praise Was: New Bleriot Owner; intro and some thoughts

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I have the Alloy model, and it's a pleasure to use.  Truly a marvel.
Filled up my 29er tires no problem, possibly as fast as my Blackburn
frame pump.  Has a cool reversible hose for presta/schraeder.  Got it
on sale @ REI, but would get a new one a full retail any day.

http://www.lezyne.com/alloy-drive

On Apr 19, 12:45 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean 
wrote:
> +1 Lezyne mini-pumps
>
> All of the Lezyne mini-pumps I've used have a hose, which makes all
> the difference in the world, IMHO.
>
> I don't think I got more than 2 or 3 uses out of the 3 or 4 different
> mini-pumps I tried before they started to leak badly or simply fell
> apart. Then I started using Lezyne's Pressure Drive M. Since then,
> I've used nothing but Lezyne portable pumps for everything, including
> inflating from empty. I've had only one problem (see below)
>
> I have the Micro-Floor pump (from Wiggle, I think), the Pressure Drive
> M, available from VO last I looked, and the Pressure Drive S, which I
> believe I got from AEBike (M=medium, S=small). The Micro-Floor and the
> Pressure Drive M come with or without a built-in guage in the hose.
> The M is a tight fit in the Keven's/SaddleSack XS/Brand V Saddlebags.
> That's why I got a Pressure Drive S too. But the M fits fine in a Bar
> Tube / Candy Bar / Hobo or Li' Loafer/TrunkSack Small.
>
> The only problem I've ever had with any of them is that a few times
> with the Micro-Floor pump I accidentally removed the Presta valve core
> when trying to remove the pump from the tire. Being careful, I could
> completely avoid this. But I never give it a thought on the two
> Pressure Drive pumps. And, on the tubes I use now, I have since red-
> loctite'd the valve cores in place (don't care about their
> removability anyway) and have never had a problem after that. Though
> it was never a problem with the Pressure Drive pumps, it may still be
> that the problem was really with the user and/or the tube as much as
> the Micro-Floor pump.
>
> The M is easy in use and convenient to start using. The Micro-Floor
> pump is *very* easy in use but, interestingly, kind of a pain to get
> started (if it is stowed, you have to unscrew the head from its base,
> and that is pretty tedious). The S is a little uncomfortable to use
> compared to the others. But basically, if I'm just adding a little
> air, the S or M are perfectly fine. If I'm going to pump a tire up
> from flat (700x35-38) then I'll grab the Micro-Floor pump or the
> Pressure Drive M if either's at hand but I'm okay with the Pressure
> Drive S if they're not.
>
> I've wondered about the Lezyne line's other offerings (Road drive,
> Alloy drive) but am happy enough with my Pressure Drives that I
> haven't bothered to look at the others. Except I like the cosmetics of
> the Road drive... and I think there's an alloy bottle-cage bracket for
> it. Which would certainly be more attractive than the black plastic
> ones.
>
> Yours,
> Thomas Lynn Skean
>
> On Apr 19, 12:59 pm, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Better than cartridges is the appropriate Lezyne minipump with hose
> > (they come in, I think, 3 models from 6" to 8" long, all with hoses
> > and designed for hp, low volume, middle and lp, high volume. I use one
> > model happily for my 571X23 mm Contis (it fits in a Jandd mini wedge)
> > and the fat one for my huge 722X60 mm Big Apples (about 8" long so
> > fits easily in my bar bag). I do use nice PB frame pumps (better than
> > Zefals, IMO) on my Riv commuter and Motobecane errand bikes.
>
> > Apart from that, two tubes plus mini patch kit for each bike even
> > though I don't ride more than 20 miles from home: goatheads, y'know.
>
> > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 6:15 AM, islaysteve  wrote:
>
> > > Wow, Thanks for all of the kind responses and good info.  I guess I'll
> > > have to rethink my ideas about weight and tools!  Seriously, I will
> > > carry enough to change or patch the tube and do many other repairs
> > > (adjustments).  Right now my rides are so ridiculously close to home
> > > that it won't matter much.  Right now I have rather bulky CO2 inflator
> > > that uses the smaller cartridges, and I carry two cartridges.  Should
> > > I look to get one that uses the larger carts; and if so, do you have
> > > any recommendations on which one?  Or put another way,  would I need
> > > two of the smaller carts to adequately fill a Nifty Swifty? (33 mm).
>
> > > I appreciate the history behind naming the bike.  That's the kind of
> > > info that I was hoping to get here.  I haven't been a Reader reader
> > > for long, so I'd have to do quite a bit of combing through them find
> > > out this kind of stuff. Not to mention buying  the CD.  But these
> > > comments make me look a bit more kindly on the graphics.
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[RBW] Re: Crappy Pasela Sidewalls

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This is the stuff I mentioned previously:
http://www.campmor.com/birkenstock-cork-life-2-oz.shtml?source=CI&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=91642WC

If it's just a couple threads popping up on the sidewall, it seals 'em
down real well.  Slop some on both sides and boot it if there's a
concern.  Tyvex USPS Priority Mail bags work GREAT for that.


On May 3, 10:20 am, Mike S  wrote:
> That's interesting, I actually find the Marathon Supreme 35mm's to be
> really zippy on my QB, more so than the Jack Browns I had on at first.
> That might just be the $138/pair premium biasing my perception
> though...
>
> The Schwalbes really are solid tires, especially in the wet and
> considering the toughness factor. I'll be interested to see how much
> treadlife they have, considering the pricetag. At about 1200 now,
> hoping they make it to at least 4000.
>
> And BOO to Paselas. Though I may try to boot the sidewall and ride
> them into the ground, just out of spite.
>
> On May 2, 10:30 pm, Mike  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > I've complained about problems with Paselas and JB sidewalls a bunch
> > here. I don't see myself going back to either tire in the future.
> > Right now all my bikes have Marathons of various sizes. The QB has
> > Marathon Supremes. When the Hilsen is back on the road I'm hoping to
> > put some Duremes on it. Even the new rando bike is sporting Marathons
> > (32s). Sure, they're sluggish but I only really notice when riding
> > with others. Most of the time I ride alone and they feel fine.
>
> > --mike

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[RBW] Re: to make 26" rim'd atlantis fast randonneur: suggestions?

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Would it be good to have approximately the same wheel mass as your
700C friends.  If you go lighter you would have less inertia and have
to spin more to keep up.  Heavier and acceleration would be slower.
Long way of saying maybe you could have too light a wheelset???

On May 11, 10:20 am, William  wrote:
> It would be fun to see what our starting point is for the
> suggestions.  Do you have pictures or a build list?  For example, if
> you currently have 800g tires and your current rims would take a <30mm
> tire, then I'm sure a lot of the suggesters would suggest just trying
> narrow tires and tubes and see where that gets you.  If you have 40-
> spoke 650 gram rims, then many would encourage you to invest in a
> lighter wheelset, but if you already have 32-hole ~400g rims, then
> there's probably not a whole lot to be made up there.
>
> On May 11, 10:09 am, doug peterson  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > My 58 cm Atlantis has 700c wheels, Mavic A 719 rims with Schwalbe
> > Marathon Supreme tires.  I also have a wheelset with Mavic CXP-22 rims
> > and racy 23 mm tires that I occassionally put on the Atlantis.  With
> > no other changes (my usual collection of racks'n'sacks), just changing
> > the wheelsets entirely transforms the character of the bike.  It's a
> > bit like jumping out of a sedan & into a sports car.  OTH, the 100 psi
> > tires ride like jackhammers and the narrower rims require fiddling
> > with the brakes.  Were I to seriously set up the Atlantis in a sporty
> > mode, I'd go with 28 mm Continental Gatorskins (I'm severely flat
> > averse) and take off the rear rack.
>
> > dougP
>
> > On May 10, 9:39 pm, canali  wrote:
>
> > > to make 26" rim'd atlantis fast randonneur: suggestions?
> > > (thinking of buying a lighter pair of wheels for those faster riding
> > > century/club days.)

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[RBW] Re: fatter tires for smaller diameter wheels

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I think tire circumference was part of the discussion as well, not
just mass  IIRC there was a sweet spot in circumference that you
couldn't get in a 26" wheel w/out a larger tire.

On May 11, 3:34 pm, doug peterson  wrote:
> Hopefully Jan will chime in on this if I've mis-understood the test.
> The BQ article was well thought out and executed, and a good read.  My
> understanding of the test was that the bicycle geometry was a
> constant, and the object was to explore how various combinations of
> wheel size and tire width impacted handling.  The conclusion was that,
> regardless of wheel size, there was a range of moments of inertia
> within which there 26", 650B, and 700c wheel / tire combinations with
> similar handling.  Wheel / tire combinations below this range were
> overly sensitive, and ones above were sluggish (my terms, not BQs).
>
> IMHO handling is subjective so what one rider prefers may not be
> optimal for another.  Just for fun, I ran the numbers on my Atlantis'
> touring wheels / tires and of course it's way out on the sluggish side
> of the scale (what a surprise!) but performs well for my loaded
> touring.  The 3 testers are more performance oriented riders and
> prefer more responsive handling.
>
> We had a thread here a while back about optimal width for 26" wheels
> where many responders liked 1.75" (+/-) widths for touring & general
> riding.  Before that, I had put some 1.25" Panaracer Urban Max tires
> on my old 26" MTB grocery getter, with not a thought to handling.  I
> found it skittish & went up to 1.75" & it significanlty increased the
> stability.  The old MTB was probably designed for 2" knobbies, so the
> 1.25" street tires were definitely sub-optimal.
>
> dougP
>
> On May 11, 2:31 pm, Michael Gordon  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > List,
>
> > I just read a post from Patrick Moore with thread title "to make 26"
> > rim'd atlantis fast randonneur: suggestions?", the quote is, "Jan's
> > idea that smaller wheels ought to have fatter tires for the best
> > handling compared to larger wheels has not been true in my
> > experience."  I have read similar statements from others and wanted to
> > comment.
>
> > I did actually purchase the Bicycle Quarterly (BQ) article, although I
> > don't have it on hand as I write.  As I recall, the handling of 3
> > bikes with similar geometry but different wheelsize was compared.  The
> > BQ conclusion was that the bikes handled differently depending on tire
> > width, and the purported explanation was that the moment of inertia of
> > the wheel was the cause of a difference in handling.  Since wider
> > tires are generally heavier, and smaller diameter wheels light, one
> > may infer the recommendation that smaller diameter wheels should have
> > wider tires than larger diameter wheels.
>
> > Here's what I want to challenge: the geometry of the 3 bikes was
> > similar, I believe they all used a 73 degree head angle.  So yes, if
> > you want to keep the head angle constant as wheel size changes (and it
> > is a head angle commonly used for road bikes with 700C wheels), then
> > probably a mountain bike diameter 26" wheel and a skinny tire is not
> > the best combination.
>
> > However, bike designers (at least the better ones) know to change
> > (decrease) the head angle and other aspects of the frame geometry for
> > a smaller diameter / similar tire width wheel precisely because the
> > steering of the smaller diameter and lower moment of inertia wheel is
> > quicker and the stability is less.  So, I don't think the BQ article
> > proved a 26" wheel bike has poor handling with narrow tires, it just
> > showed that if the geometry is taken say from a design that works well
> > for narrow 700C wheels and no compensating changes are made, the
> > handling will be sub-optimal.

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[RBW] Re: need ideas for versatile touring/commuting bars other than rando/drops

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Try Moustache Bars  
http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/nitto-moustache-bar/16-028

Folks tend to love or hate them, hence a vibrant re-sell market for
them :-)  Get a stem 1 or 2 cm shorter if you're going to try them.
I liked them a lot, but missed the extra change of posture a drop bar
gives you during long rides (>30miles).

There is also On-One Midge/Soma Junebug that have shallower drops.
Those are love/hate as well, so YMM(definitely)V.


On May 17, 11:09 am, canali  wrote:
> just looking to experiement with a bar that will be good for both long
> distance touring as well as everyday commuting.
> ...the albatross seems a bit wide for me
>
> reason: my bike is a tad long (i should be on a 51 vs 53 atlantis) so
> drops are a bit of a reach with 80-90cm stem.

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[RBW] Re: How to remove black anodizing from aluminum handlebars?

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When doing bars, you would only really need to do the small bit of
area that is showing between the bar tape.  Maybe 60mm or so, so that
makes it easier...

On May 18, 10:55 am, williwoods  wrote:
> One more point I should clarify in my instructions: when you dip the
> part check on it every 10 minutes. you may find that you only need the
> part in there for 20 minutes or even less before you pull it out to
> rinse the first time, if you have scrubby brush you can scrub the part
> gently and see the finish come off even while its soaking in the
> draino, that will speed the process up a little. I am not sure how
> even the finish will be if you can't dip the whole bar all at once,
> but wouldn't be a big deal if your wrapping most of it in tape
> eventually.
>
> Cyclotourist - give us your report if you do your bars.
>
> On May 18, 10:48 am, williwoods  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > I doubt that short (30minute) dips would do anything bad. I have never
> > had a problem with pitting even after an hour soaking in draino gel.
> > While I have never done handlebars, I have done chainrings, brake
> > levers, cranksets and frames, etc..never had a problem. I wouldn't
> > hesitate doing a handlebar myself. That is not to say that I am an
> > expert or that you shouldn't be careful. Oven cleaner is another
> > story, I have seen that eat at the surface of aluminum after an hour.
> > Wasn't pretty, and turned the part black (black came off if you
> > scrubbed it gently)
>
> > I have had discussions with smarter people than me about this stuff
> > and the consensus was that the draino gel isn't strong enough to cause
> > issues for the short durations we are soaking our parts. Still if its
> > your first time maybe try a junk part and see for yourself. I really
> > don't think its an issue, but am happy to be corrected by someone with
> > experience with this sort of thing.
>
> > A separate issue: I have never had a problem with the finish over a
> > long period of time due to oxidation, although I believe that is an
> > issue, maybe it doesn't show itself for 10 years or more. I just
> > haven't seen it pop up.
>
> > On May 18, 4:46 am, Brett Lindenbach 
> > wrote:
>
> > > Not to rain on anyone's parade but be careful.  First, caustic soda can 
> > > melt
> > > eyeballs, so wear proper eye protection.  Second, are we sure that the
> > > de-anodized metal will be as strong?  It seems like messing with the
> > > strength of your handlebar could be potentially disastrous.  I'm just
> > > sayin'!

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[RBW] Re: Anything look odd on this Ram?

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Hey, Inland Empire... that's me!  Can't view CL @ work though.
Depending on where in the IE it is, I can possibly check it out for
someone over the weekend (not a promise, tomorrow's filled w/ ToC fun
and Sunday is too far away).  Does it mention any specific city in the
ad?

On May 20, 11:33 am, Sean Whelan  wrote:
> Looks to me like any bike that was:
>
> a.) built up in part with components that were hanging around the garage
> b.) entrusted to someone for care who doesn't know much or care much about 
> bikes
>
> Those are sometimes the best value purchases.
>
> Good Luck!
>
> Sean
>
> 
> From: Steve Palincsar 
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Fri, May 20, 2011 1:59:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [RBW] Anything look odd on this Ram?
>
> On Fri, 2011-05-20 at 10:51 -0700, Daniel wrote:
> > I've been looking at look at this Ram on Craigslist:
> >http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/bik/2388442830.html
>
> > The cable routing, handlebars and tape are all bugging me, but I'm on
> > the fence about going to see it anyway.
>
> All trivial and easily remedied.  If you like the Ramboillet and it's
> your size, go look at it.  Remove the cages and fix the angle of the
> bars ( 1 minute at most ) before you make up your mind.
>
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[RBW] Re: Anything look odd on this Ram?

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Bummer, that's about an hour drive for me... was hoping it was more
Riverside/Corona direction.  Not so easy to get out there.  Well, I
get points for considering it, right???

On May 20, 1:02 pm, Daniel  wrote:
> Yes - It's in Palm Springs.  I'm in Yorba Linda, so that's quite a
> ways
> It would be awesome if you checked it out, but the seller is out until
> Tuesday night.
> Since the bike belonged to the seller's father, I'm thinking to ask to
> speak to him (the father).
> Daniel
>
> On May 20, 12:45 pm, "cyclotour...@gmail.com" 
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hey, Inland Empire... that's me!  Can't view CL @ work though.
> > Depending on where in the IE it is, I can possibly check it out for
> > someone over the weekend (not a promise, tomorrow's filled w/ ToC fun
> > and Sunday is too far away).  Does it mention any specific city in the
> > ad?
>
> > On May 20, 11:33 am, Sean Whelan  wrote:
>
> > > Looks to me like any bike that was:
>
> > > a.) built up in part with components that were hanging around the garage
> > > b.) entrusted to someone for care who doesn't know much or care much 
> > > about bikes
>
> > > Those are sometimes the best value purchases.
>
> > > Good Luck!
>
> > > Sean
>
> > > 
> > > From: Steve Palincsar > 
> > > To:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> > > Sent: Fri, May 20, 2011 1:59:23 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [RBW] Anything look odd on this Ram?
>
> > > On Fri, 2011-05-20 at 10:51 -0700, Daniel wrote:
> > > > I've been looking at look at this Ram on Craigslist:
> > > >http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/bik/2388442830.html
>
> > > > The cable routing, handlebars and tape are all bugging me, but I'm on
> > > > the fence about going to see it anyway.
>
> > > All trivial and easily remedied.  If you like the Ramboillet and it's
> > > your size, go look at it.  Remove the cages and fix the angle of the
> > > bars ( 1 minute at most ) before you make up your mind.
>
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[RBW] Re: Anything look odd on this Ram?

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Just waiting for the EPO to kick in!


On May 20, 1:57 pm, rcnute  wrote:
> Are you time trialling tomorrow at ToC?
>
> Ryan
>
> On May 20, 1:23 pm, "cyclotour...@gmail.com" 
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Bummer, that's about an hour drive for me... was hoping it was more
> > Riverside/Corona direction.  Not so easy to get out there.  Well, I
> > get points for considering it, right???
>
> > On May 20, 1:02 pm, Daniel  wrote:
>
> > > Yes - It's in Palm Springs.  I'm in Yorba Linda, so that's quite a
> > > ways
> > > It would be awesome if you checked it out, but the seller is out until
> > > Tuesday night.
> > > Since the bike belonged to the seller's father, I'm thinking to ask to
> > > speak to him (the father).
> > > Daniel
>
> > > On May 20, 12:45 pm, "cyclotour...@gmail.com" 
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > Hey, Inland Empire... that's me!  Can't view CL @ work though.
> > > > Depending on where in the IE it is, I can possibly check it out for
> > > > someone over the weekend (not a promise, tomorrow's filled w/ ToC fun
> > > > and Sunday is too far away).  Does it mention any specific city in the
> > > > ad?
>
> > > > On May 20, 11:33 am, Sean Whelan  wrote:
>
> > > > > Looks to me like any bike that was:
>
> > > > > a.) built up in part with components that were hanging around the 
> > > > > garage
> > > > > b.) entrusted to someone for care who doesn't know much or care much 
> > > > > about bikes
>
> > > > > Those are sometimes the best value purchases.
>
> > > > > Good Luck!
>
> > > > > Sean
>
> > > > > 
> > > > > From: Steve Palincsar > 
> > > > > To:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Fri, May 20, 2011 1:59:23 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [RBW] Anything look odd on this Ram?
>
> > > > > On Fri, 2011-05-20 at 10:51 -0700, Daniel wrote:
> > > > > > I've been looking at look at this Ram on Craigslist:
> > > > > >http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/bik/2388442830.html
>
> > > > > > The cable routing, handlebars and tape are all bugging me, but I'm 
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > the fence about going to see it anyway.
>
> > > > > All trivial and easily remedied.  If you like the Ramboillet and it's
> > > > > your size, go look at it.  Remove the cages and fix the angle of the
> > > > > bars ( 1 minute at most ) before you make up your mind.
>
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell influence - Maybe the racer crowd is getting it?!!

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Nice comparo!

On May 24, 9:28 am, eflayer  wrote:
> there is no comparison between the Rambouillet and the Cronus except
> maybe two things; they both take fenders and the Cronus has a tall
> enough headtube and a long enough fork steerer tube to almost enable
> matching the bar height on the Riv. Riv is 58 with upjutting Salsa
> quill. Cronus is a 58 with 215 headtube, 5cm of spacers, and 102
> degree stem.
>
> After that they are quite different. Steep angles, high bb, short
> chainstays on the Cronus. Riv is spingy in a good way by comparision
> and Cronus seems to fly by comparison. Cronus carbon is stiff and
> slightly not forgiving, but is probably 7 lbs lighter than the coupled
> Riv.
>
> Riv goes bouncy bounce over bumps, Cronus goes cerchunk! I like the
> Cronus plenty and have enjoyed its lightness of being. Don't care
> about fenders on a carbon bike and would like to try a Specialized
> Roubaix as I think it is closer in geo to my sweet Riv geo.
>
> On May 24, 8:20 am, Zac  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Fisher does still make steel bikes. They make a cyclocross bike called
> > the "Presidio". It's made out of True Temper OX platinum and is very
> > similar to the Lemond Poprad. Plenty o' clearance and canti brakes.
>
> > Zac
>
> > On May 24, 7:11 am, Michael_S  wrote:
>
> > > If it's still carbon they didn't get the message. I wish Fisher still
> > > made steel bikes; the other two models are alu-min-numb.
>
> > > Also I would like to point out that some Rivendell owners like riding
> > > fast and even race. They just appreciate beautiful steel bicycles with
> > > lugs.
>
> > > ~mike
>
> > > On May 24, 4:22 am, Jay LePree  wrote:
>
> > > > Hi all:
>
> > > > I had to pick up some tubes at my LBS which sell Trek bikes.  Trek has
> > > > the standard 520 model and some other commuting models, but I was
> > > > surprised to see the Gary Fisher Cronus. The owner called my attention
> > > > to it because he knows my preference for higher handlebars, fenders,
> > > > 28 mm wide (or wider) tires.
>
> > > > The Cronus is a CF racing bike with a taller head tube, and "vanishing
> > > > fender mounts" that can be screwed in and out.  The bike comes with
> > > > Sheldon Fender nuts already installed in the back of the brakes so the
> > > > user can attach fenders without removing the brakes.  I put in my
> > > > front wheel that has a Ruffy Tuffy, and it cleared without any
> > > > problem.  Interesting take on a racer.  I imagine that there was some
> > > > Rivendell influence there.
>
> > > > Jay
> > > > Demarest, NJ- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell influence - Maybe the racer crowd is getting it?!!

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Obviously at least one of the reasons.

On May 24, 7:16 am, eflayer  wrote:
> i own a Rambouillet and a Fisher Cronus. is that why i am still stuck
> on earth after 6 pm last saturday?
>
> On May 24, 7:11 am, Michael_S  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > If it's still carbon they didn't get the message. I wish Fisher still
> > made steel bikes; the other two models are alu-min-numb.
>
> > Also I would like to point out that some Rivendell owners like riding
> > fast and even race. They just appreciate beautiful steel bicycles with
> > lugs.
>
> > ~mike
>
> > On May 24, 4:22 am, Jay LePree  wrote:
>
> > > Hi all:
>
> > > I had to pick up some tubes at my LBS which sell Trek bikes.  Trek has
> > > the standard 520 model and some other commuting models, but I was
> > > surprised to see the Gary Fisher Cronus. The owner called my attention
> > > to it because he knows my preference for higher handlebars, fenders,
> > > 28 mm wide (or wider) tires.
>
> > > The Cronus is a CF racing bike with a taller head tube, and "vanishing
> > > fender mounts" that can be screwed in and out.  The bike comes with
> > > Sheldon Fender nuts already installed in the back of the brakes so the
> > > user can attach fenders without removing the brakes.  I put in my
> > > front wheel that has a Ruffy Tuffy, and it cleared without any
> > > problem.  Interesting take on a racer.  I imagine that there was some
> > > Rivendell influence there.
>
> > > Jay
> > > Demarest, NJ- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: Decision Potential

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Why?

On May 24, 1:25 pm, Zack  wrote:

>
> I personally would not get another Sam.
>

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[RBW] Re: can anyone relate--getting older (50) and back into cycling: finding drops not so easy...

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Yes, that's the big question.  Bump them up 4-5cm above the saddle,
and you may find you like them again.  As you put on miles you can
lower them back to saddle height, or simply leave them up.  The extra
hand positions from drops are definitely nice to have.

On Jun 6, 11:59 am, Anne Paulson  wrote:
> How high are your drops?
>
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 8:55 AM, canali  wrote:
> > just wondering if it's just me and i need to take my time adding the
> > mileage and being consistent  and patient (and getting back into
> > shape)
>
> --
> -- Anne Paulson
>
> My hovercraft is full of eels

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[RBW] So Cal July 10 - Three Speed "River and Sea" ride

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Good times are heading your way, people.  Noel (who does know how to
post to this group BTW)  is putting together a real nice ride.  35
miles through coastal Orange County.  Should be a perfect route.

Conversation here on the flickr:
http://www.flickr.mud.yahoo.com/groups/socal_rivendell_bicycle_appreciation_society/discuss/72157626313116172/

And original posting on the SoCal 3 speed tour site:
http://www.threespeedtouringclub.com/riverandseadaytour.htm

All bikes and riders are encouraged to show and go for a ride.  One to
30 gears allowed (sorry 31 speeders).  Be there or be L7.

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[RBW] Re: So Cal July 10 - Three Speed "River and Sea" ride

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Mike, you overlooked the last (and most important) bit of the
invitation:  "All bikes and riders are encouraged to show and go for a
ride.  One to 30 gears allowed (sorry 31 speeders).  Be there or be
L7."   :-)



H, an orange-shirted Atlantis rider, I'll have to think about that
one...





On Jun 8, 11:40 am, Michael_S  wrote:
> How many people really own a 3 speed?  I guesss I"m not qualified for
> this ride.
>
> ~mike
>
> On Jun 8, 9:52 am, "Andy.M"  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > You remember the funny looking kid with the funny looking orange
> > jersey on one of those vintage funny looking Atlantis bikesdon't
> > you?
>
> > -Andy Happy to be heading back to the sunshine ;) Mari
>
> > On Jun 7, 5:18 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
>
> > > Who is this "Andy" person, anyway...?
>
> > > On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Andy.M  wrote:
> > > > Ill be in town that weekendnow which bike to bring... hmm
> > > > -Andy
> > > > On Jun 7, 3:24 pm, "cyclotour...@gmail.com" 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Good times are heading your way, people.  Noel (who does know how to
> > > > > post to this group BTW)  is putting together a real nice ride.  35
> > > > > miles through coastal Orange County.  Should be a perfect route.
>
> > > > > Conversation here on the flickr:
> > > >http://www.flickr.mud.yahoo.com/groups/socal_rivendell_bicycle_apprec...
>
> > > > > And original posting on the SoCal 3 speed tour site:
> > > >http://www.threespeedtouringclub.com/riverandseadaytour.htm
>
> > > > > All bikes and riders are encouraged to show and go for a ride.  One to
> > > > > 30 gears allowed (sorry 31 speeders).  Be there or be L7.
>
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> > > *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv/SKS longboards as Bluemels re-enactment

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He has a specific perspective he's coming from. This is a regular topic for 
him, and a lot of time it's the absence of any investigation or even a 
citation from NYPD for the driver. 

On Monday, November 18, 2013 5:15:04 AM UTC-8, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> Hi David, 
> The link clicking on today's installment really shows the blogger's 
> colors.  He apparently believes there should be criminal prosecution when a 
> motorist has a wreck with a cyclist.  There is no criminal prosecution when 
> a motorist kills another motorist - by accident, by definition - unless the 
> offending motorist happens to be in the process of a felony or DUI. 
>  Otherwise, it's strictly a civil matter, for which we have a system in 
> place, and employ 90% of the world's attorneys.  The guy is 
> me--me-me-rabid.  Clearly, no other points of view exist for him.  
> Regards
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[RBW] Re: Saved by Stans

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I love Stans for goathead protection, but wouldn't go to the hassle if not 
for them. So if you're not regularly getting punctures (or running 
tubulars!) I don't think you would need to go to the time, money, hassle of 
going tubeless.

On Monday, February 10, 2014 5:36:05 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I am glad the ride was salvaged, Ron! I'm intrigued by Stans and trying to 
> assess if it makes any sense for me to go tubeless at some point. (The 
> attraction is self sealing, rather than ultra low pressures, because ultra 
> low pressure 2.25" tires do a number on my vertigo). Could you please help 
> me understand in this situation how Stans were more convenient than a spare 
> tube?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Monday, February 10, 2014 6:07:33 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> Posted to Michael on another thread about getting out over the weekend in 
>> spite of mountain cedar pollen.  Yesterday, took my go-fast Moser over to 
>> my buddy's house to ride from there.  We had a plan for a 35-mi ride, but 
>> ended up cutting it short.  About 8 miles from home we were following the 
>> shoulder of a near-rural road that goes only to a park and military 
>> reserve.  I'm not sure what his plan was other than a pit stop at the park, 
>> but I was following.  Heard a new ping-ping-ping and immediately thought of 
>> broken spoke.  Instead found a piece of 14-ga bailing wire impaled in my 
>> Parigi tubie.  It was a little weird, because right when it happened I was 
>> looking up the road at a bridge where I had picked up a piece of wire last 
>> time we were on this road.  Yes, I don't plan to ride this road again.  It 
>> made quite a hole, but I had a new bottle of Zap-a-gap, a 2-oz.Stans and a 
>> Tufo valve core tool.  
>> http://www.biketiresdirect.com/product/tufo-valve-tool
>> After pulling the valve core, I opened the Zap-a-gap and filled the hole 
>> in the tire.  Note - I should have waited a few minutes, because I didn't 
>> quite seal the cut in the tire, though did improve it - it was pretty big.  
>> One ounce of Stans in the tire, and pump.  
>> No question the white liquid latex was leaking through the puncture for 
>> awhile, but after a few more minutes and borrowed air from an auto tire 
>> store, it sealed up fine and got us home.  So while the adventure cut our 
>> ride it half, Stans was all the rescue we needed.  I was actually trying to 
>> get my last few miles out of this tubie anyway, and I guess that was 
>> accomplished.  
>> And I put my clinchers back on when I got to my house.   
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: new 40mm tire

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Do the Nanos measure true to stated size?  IIRC my AllTerrainasarus measued 
a bit small. But even if 38mm, a good alternative if you want something a 
touch more agressive than MSOs but still good on the road. These have me 
pretty excited. If they can handle high pressure, I'd put them on my tandem 
as well!!!

On Friday, February 21, 2014 9:28:58 AM UTC-8, Mike Schiller wrote:
>
> narrower version of the 2.1 version with some tread mods.  The 2.1 version 
> is available in both 26" and 700c and was the tire of choice for long dirt 
> road rides like the Great Divide route.  Pretty fast on pavement for a 
> knobby too.
> http://www.wtb.com/products/nano
>
> ~mike
>
> On Friday, February 21, 2014 9:09:20 AM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> Thanks for the news. So these are just narrower 29er tires?
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: new 40mm tire

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Ritchey ZED is a case in point. Damn those were some good tires.

On Friday, February 21, 2014 10:05:24 AM UTC-8, iamkeith wrote:
>
> Thanks for posting.  This is good news.   Just in case people haven't seen 
> it, here is yet another, similar new option from Surly - a 700c x 
> 41mm, based on their 29+ Knard tire.
>
> http://surlybikes.com/parts/wheels/knard_41
>
> Cool back-story on the nano-raptor, in that link.  I think it's great that 
> manufacturers are listening to "customers," in at least some cases, and 
> building the things they/we actually want.  Or is the story a bit 
> disingenuous and am I giving them too much credit?   Maybe it's still just 
> a 100% calculated, fully-market-researched business decision, designed to 
> capitalize on the  current "gravel road racing"  fad.   Jay, the "rider" 
> mentioned in the story, is a mechanic at my local bike shop.  He's a SUPER 
> nice guy, but he's unbelievably fast and accomplished, too. Pretty much the 
> exact opposite of an un-racer or average enthusiast. 
>
> Others have made similar tires (light weight / knobby /narrower than a 
> 29er) before, but then inexplicably discontinued them.  I've had a hard 
> time keeping one of my bikes shod in suitable rubber until now, having to 
> search for discontinued tires.
>

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[RBW] OT: Pee-Wee's bike FS

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Sorry for the noise, but this is just so 
awesome: 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pee-Wee-Herman-Bike-Beach-Crusier-Paul-Ruebens-Autograph-/171254302438

Silly BIN price but hey, free shipping!

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[RBW] Re: OT: Pee-Wee's bike FS

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Oh snaps! I'd still like to have it though!

On Thursday, March 6, 2014 3:11:23 PM UTC-8, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> look again - that's not BIN, that's 45 bids at $25,702.  What can you sell 
> in the next two hours?  Ha.  
>
> On Thursday, March 6, 2014 2:09:07 PM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Sorry for the noise, but this is just so awesome: 
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pee-Wee-Herman-Bike-Beach-Crusier-Paul-Ruebens-Autograph-/171254302438
>>
>> Silly BIN price but hey, free shipping!
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Tubeless + Stan's

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Good observations, Patrick. I have it in a tubelesss low pressure 
wheel/tire as well as tubed, medium pressure set. Both seem to work well.

On Friday, March 7, 2014 8:52:06 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> After finding that Stan's in the tubes in the very light Furious Freds was 
> ineffective in stoping goathead flats (at least, with tubes/Stan's I'd get 
> a leak every 2-3 miles that would not seal quickly enough and required 
> stopping and pumping), and after having put several rides on the same FFs 
> with Stan's, now tubeless, I can confidently say that Stan's works far 
> better tubeless, at least in these tires and at their low (sub 30 psi) 
> pressures. Leaks seal literally within 1 or 2 revolutions, and multiple 
> rides over goathead patches with scores of thorns and holes have resulted 
> in only a few lbs per sq inch lost over several rides, nothing which 
> interrupted a ride. I just added a few psi this morning to get the tires 
> back up to the right "feel".
>
> (OTOH, Stan's in the tubes in the Parigi Roubaix on my Ram has sealed 
> perfectly. Perhaps the difference is in the pressures involved?)
>
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[RBW] Re: The Atlantic article about cycling in the south

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Thank you Eunice. It's partially blocked here at work, so I'll have to read 
at home.

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/03/braving-the-deep-deadly-south-on-a-bicycle/284293/


On Friday, March 7, 2014 11:02:35 AM UTC-8, Eunice Chang wrote:
>
> FYI- because it briefly mentions Seth Vidal, formerly on the RBW-owners 
> list. 
>
> -Eunice
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[RBW] Re: Now Available: 650B Dyad/Aeroheat in 32h and 36h

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Dyad's are my second favorite rims after the A23. have had them on a tandem 
for over a decade with not a truing! Not too heavy, not too light, just 
great all around rims.

On Friday, April 11, 2014 1:03:02 PM UTC-7, Rich Lesnik wrote:
>
> Just arrived -- direct from the Velocity factory in Florida -- 650B (584) 
> Dyad/Aeroheat rims, in silver, non-machined sidewalls. At 540g, they a 
> great mid-weight, tough all-around 650B rim. You can get them at Riv for 
> $75 apiece.
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[RBW] Re: Bay Area Overnight, May 16, 17, 18?

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That'll be a great grad present to yourself!

On Friday, April 11, 2014 12:06:14 AM UTC-7, Coconutbill wrote:
>
> I graduate on the 15th... I'll try to be there ! 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell: Normcore for Cyclists?

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I think Surly would be a closer example. Simple, unadorned, functional. Or 
better yet, a $5,000 tig welded boutique bike powdered black with decals on 
top of that.

IMHO, Rivendell would be like the dapper Americana music scene (visualize 
tweed vest and cap wearing Mumford & Sons).  Smartly dressed, modern but 
with banjos.



On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 12:48:03 PM UTC-7, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Couldn't help but see a few parallels between Normcore (fashion movement 
> that eschews fashion) and Rivendell's approach to various aspects of 
> cycling: 
>
>
> http://www.slate.com/articles/life/doonan/2014/04/normcore_the_new_fashion_trend_and_its_perils.html
>  
>
> Anybody else see a little Normcore in the offerings from Walnut Creek? 
>
> --Eric N 
> www.CampyOnly.com 
> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Low trail, lightest tubing bikes really all that?

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Snore!?!?!? 

This is the opportunity to run and get the popcorn out for the Great Trail 
Debate of 2014.


On Friday, April 18, 2014 9:18:26 AM UTC-7, Christopher Chen wrote:
>
> Snoorr
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 9:16 AM, Bill Lindsay 
> > wrote:
>
>> Don't worry, Eric.  Any zealot from either camp can chirp in and tell me 
>> that I don't like one of my bikes, or can tell me that the reason I don't 
>> like one of my bikes is that I don't know any better, and that usually 
>> draws me in to a argument.  :-) 
>>
>>
>> On Friday, April 18, 2014 4:13:28 AM UTC-7, Eric Daume wrote:
>>>
>>> Bill, don't you know you're supposed to be in one camp or the other? How 
>>> can we argue with viewpoints like this?
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] FS: Sam Hillborne - 60cm

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It's that Peter Jackson fella you need to worry about!


On Friday, April 18, 2014 9:45:35 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Those two ornaments would definitely get the attention of the Tolkein 
> estate.  Heck, don't be surprised if they claim to hold the legal rights to 
> the word "precious".  
>
> On Friday, April 18, 2014 7:32:25 AM UTC-7, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>>
>> Gollum headbadge and a ring seat tube ornament...
>
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[RBW] Re: Errandonnee Runner

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Keep us postedon the Brewvet... that sounds like something to not be missed!

On Thursday, April 24, 2014 7:13:25 PM UTC-7, Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>
> Hey Patrick,
> I'm really happy to hear about how the bike (a Hunqapillar no less!) has 
> changed your life. I've learned a lot from you and many on this board.
>
> The Errandonnee patch is from Mary G's Winter Challenge:
>
> http://chasingmailboxes.com/2014/03/04/winter-challenge-the-errandonnee-2014-edition/
>
> She's a sometimes poster, quite often Quickbeamer, and I think there are a 
> few more Rivs in their home. IIRC, Tony D's agapanthus purple 'luki was 
> featured in her flickr stream.
>
> For those beer inclined, there's a Brewvet in the works May 1 - June 10.
>
> happy riding,
> shoji
>
>
> On Thursday, April 24, 2014 10:03:12 PM UTC-4, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> Deacon,
>>
>> I love that notion. I need to find that patch. Yes I agree the bicycle is 
>> therapeutic...cause it works for me.
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>> On Thursday, April 24, 2014 6:17:30 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> Shojo’s photo, https://www.flickr.com/photos/stakx/14001712894/, 
>>> reminded me:
>>>
>>> With my wimpy brain, it’s not often I get to ride Errandonnees, but 
>>> they’ve been happening more often since I got the Post to agree to bring my 
>>> mail outside to me (it is so scented inside I can’t go in to get our mail 
>>> from our box), and today I popped to the LBS and bought what I needed from 
>>> the front porch, with the owner being very helpful, bringing things out for 
>>> me to choose between. Then I hit some nearby sloppy melting single track 
>>> and had coffee outside. It was a grand morning!
>>>
>>> It’s not much, but my world is expanding bit by bit, in part thanks to 
>>> me bike. 
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org *
>>> *www.OurHolyConception.org *
>>>  
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Heart's broken, Hunq headbadge fell off.

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Best idea, ever!!!

On Wednesday, April 30, 2014 5:39:19 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:
>
> Now is your chance to get it inscribed with your initials while it is off 
>> the bike!
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Strava heatmap

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At least it's supporting the local economy!

On Thursday, May 1, 2014 9:14:17 AM UTC-7, Anton Tutter wrote:
>
> David, they seem to be congregating at street corners. hmm... If I were to 
> be spending my money on a street corner, what would I be paying for... just 
> sayin'...
>
> Anton
>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Riv-ish minivan hack for the dad- and mom-jeans set

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Does it come with the above-mentioned pants?

Really cool hack Leif!!!


On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 12:47:00 PM UTC-7, Leif Eckstrom wrote:
>
> Hello listers,
>
>
> I wanted to share this kid-hauling project that was inspired by ideas and 
> goods presented on this list, the blug, and such. I'm really happy with how 
> it turned out. It's very comfortable, surprisingly steady, and heartily 
> kid-approved. I think this set-up would only be improved on a bike with 
> actual riv-designed features: Looong top tube and longer wheelbase, for 
> starters. My seat is set low to compensate for small amount of clearance 
> behind the kid in front. Not really much of an imposition though; this is 
> easily my best minivan yet. Nevertheless, the stretched Clems and 
> Appaloosas would be even better, I imagine. 
>
>
> Anyway, if you're interested in what's what:
>
> Front carrier: iBert, also recommend the Tot toter, if just carrying one.
>
> Rear: steel tandem stoker stem bought from list-member Sean (thanks 
> again!); old riser bars cut down for aero tucks; Newbaums in kid A's 
> favorite color (eggplant); (bar-ends have been appropriately corked by the 
> by; twine to be applied soon); swim noodle and zip ties--totally stolen 
> from Grant P or whoever thought of those ideas in the bar wrap vid--but in 
> celeste, the fastest color; older Portland Design Works Payload rack with 
> steel tubes and a nicely oversize, half-circle of extra tubing near the 
> bottom--designed for bungee or pannier attachment but here holds the fender 
> washers, bolt, and drilled n cut down hand rail segments, making the new 
> old-school foot pegs. Naturally, the pegs were shellacked. I think that's 
> it. Thanks for all the inspiration, ideas, and parts swapping over the 
> years. 
>
> Best,
>
> Leif
>
> Chicago
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
> 
>  
>
>
> 
>
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[RBW] First weekend of riding... ouch.

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Big weekend of riding for me... the first real riding since I broke my 
clavicle on March 9th. Both days this weekend for pleasantly overcast and 
temps in the high 60-low 70 range. Perfect days to ride. I started out 
"just" ring the local path out to the river. A nice easy rail to trail 
grade out and back, right. After getting to the end of it, enjoying the 
weather, and seeing the minimal elevation dirt trail in front of me, I had 
to give it a try. At least until it gets bumps (it's all bumpy). Oh what 
the heck, might as well ride to the end, it's all down-hill from there. Now 
at the end, I might as well take the dirt trails back home, they're just as 
down-hill as the streets are!
In all, 17 miles with 700 ft of elevation... pretty mellow, but bumpy. 

Favorite pic from the day: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/26414997023/

Next day, I said I'll take it easy. Just go for a ride with the 13 y.o. 
Same plan, nice and steady. 25 miles and 1700 ft later... 
 well, my clavicle is 
definitely hurting today. D'oh!
Not too many pics from Sunday, but sure found the best back yard to hang 
out 
in: https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/27039068645/in/photostream/ 

Have decided I don't care of Albatross bars for long rides. I put them on 
to take the weight off my arms/shoulder, but instead they force my 
shoulders up too far, and make me feel like I'm hunched up. Lowering the 
bars puts too much weight on my hands uncomfortably. Probably back to my 
Moustache bar stand by... 

So good times this weekend! 


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[RBW] Re: Slightly OT; WTB BURLEY PICCOLO

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They're still little, imagine he'll be able to get many more years of use 
out of it.


On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 10:06:17 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I sold mine to Rob from Ocean Air Cycles.  Maybe his riders have graduated 
> and he can pass it to you?
>
> On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 10:02:14 AM UTC-7, EGNolan wrote:
>>
>> Hi all. My daughter'll be starting school in the fall & I'd like to pull 
>> her behind the tandem (my son's the stoker) w/ a Piccolo. I know some on 
>> this list are a little further ahead in regards to kids' ages, so I'm 
>> hoping someone has one they need to get rid of. If you have one & are 
>> willing to part w/ it, please shoot me a PM w/ what you'd like to get for 
>> it. I'm willing to use paypal or send a check & pay for shipping (I prefer 
>> bikeflights) of course.
>>
>> Best,
>> Eric 
>> Indianapolis, IN 
>>
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[RBW] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

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And we're lighting up the no vacancy sign! Every bed is accounted for, 
which is pretty awesome! Working on menu items and Saturday route options.

Saturday is 114% an open ride, we hope many of the locals can come out and 
ride around Marin with us for the day. Most likely riding trails from WPI 
down to Fairfax, touring the MTB museum, then meandering back up the hill. 
A casual pace will be maintained!

Dinner is being cooked by Jacquie that evening, and everyone can join in on 
that, whether they are spending the night or not. It's encouraged and hoped 
for, actually!
More details to follow!

Thanks to all who jumped on-board for this, it's actually falling into 
place perfectly!!!




On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> The Entmoot/Jamboree two years ago was a fantastic, grass-roots event that 
> everyone enjoyed and talked about for a while. It seemed like everything 
> really fell into place (except I had to leave early) for a fantastic 
> weekend. That enjoyable event got us thinking about something similar. We 
> talked about it, but nothing came of it. 
>
> Fast forward to last December when Hugh, Jim, and myself made a trip to 
> the West Point Inn , and had a phenomenal 
> time there celebrating Jacquie Phelan's (and Philip W's!) birthday. An 
> absolute blast.  We can't recreate those moments, but we want to have 
> another opportunity back at the Inn with any like minded folks to celebrate 
> life, life on a bicycle, the historical context, in one of the most 
> beautiful storied areas I can imagine. So with Jacquie's help we are 
> hosting a SoCal/NorCal get together in June!
>
> We have reserved the entire facility for those two nights, and want to 
> pack in as many people as we can. We hope many of you living in the Bay 
> Area that we don't get to visit can make it! Maybe even some people from 
> out of the area can make it there as well (Looking at you, PDXers)!
>
> The costs are very reasonable. For the two nights, it is $2,400. If we can 
> get 30 of us, it will be $80 a person. Throw in another $20-50 for Saturday 
> night dinner and breakfast, and you're looking at a bit less than $150 at 
> most for a unique two night experience in a very special (magical even!) 
> place. I/we hope many of you can come.
>
> For those not able to do the whole stay, we are planning on a Saturday 
> ramble of a ride, followed by the above-mentioned dinner.  Thinking the 
> Pine Mountain Loop, Repack to Fairfax to the Marin Museum of Bicycling back 
> to the Inn. Plenty of alternative routes if someone doesn't want to do 
> that. Just kind of a cool way to really take advantage of what the area has 
> to offer.  So for sure, plan on being there for the ride and dinner! 
> We'll figure out a cost per person for just the dinner, it won't be much. 
> Won't even worry about it if it's just a few people, but hoping to get a 
> decent sized group there.
>
> Dinner Friday night is potluck. Sat a.m. breakfast leftovers and communal 
> pancakes or similar. Sat lunch on your own. Sat dinner provided. Sun 
> breakfast leftovers/communal. Pretty low key. We're hoping to have some 
> beer provided, but everyone bring a six pack or bottle of your favorite is 
> a way to do it as well.
>
> Sleeping arrangements are somewhere in the range of hostel level. Four to 
> five beds per room. Bring sheets or a bag, clean your own room, do the 
> dishes, sweep the floors arrangement. Not plush, but it ain't camping. 
>
> Here are my pics from the weekend I was up there: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/albums/72157661872299170
>
> Hugh's thoughts on the subject: 
> http://velocipeedemusings.com/2016/01/13/misty-mountain-celebration-with-a-legend-a-mount-tam-experience/
>  
>
> Logistics to follow. Leaning toward collecting using checks vs. using 
> Paypal. I can just sit on them and cash them all at once. For food 
> budgeting I'd rather go over a bit on individual cost and donate any excess 
> to the Inn (nonprofit) or to Charlie's medical expenses. Will be very 
> transparent, but money is touchy of course. If we can't get to 30 people, 
> the cost per person will go up accordingly. 
>
> Reminder that the Inn is a hike/bike facility only, and there is no 
> on-site parking for guests (ADA access is available). Closest parking is at 
> the Pantoll campground/day use area, two miles down the trail 
> . I think parking is $8/day there.
>
> The only thing we ask is commitment. Nobody is prepared to go back and 
> forth with figuring out refunds, wait lists, things like that. This is a 
> labour of love sort of thing. 
>
> So who's inn???
>
>
>
> -- 
> Cheers,
> David
>
> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>
> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam / SimpleOne Sizing?

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That's great, Eric! Should fit you fine.

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 11:00:42 AM UTC-7, Eric Karnes wrote:
>
> i'm giving the (what appears to be a 62cm) simpleone on eBay a try! i'll 
> keep you all apprised of how the size works out. as always, thanks to 
> everyone on the list for their expertise!
>
> eric
>
> On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 11:42:34 AM UTC-4, Jim M. wrote:
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 7:43:50 AM UTC-7, S. Greco wrote:
>>>
>>> As a Simpleone owner who has had both a 62 and 60 I will say that you 
>>> should seriously consider tire size before picking one if you are between 
>>> sizes. 
>>>
>>
>> I agree. I have an 88.5 PBH and rode a 60 QB comfortably, but there was a 
>> noticeable difference in top tube clearance between 33's and 40's.
>>
>> jim m
>> wc ca 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Latest issue of Momentum

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Killer bees...

On Nov 16, 7:23 am, Michael_S  wrote:
> oh... and I forgot to mention the traffic, high housing prices, fog,
> earthquakes, etc...;-}
>
> ~Mike~
>
> On Nov 16, 7:19 am, Michael_S  wrote:
>
> > very cool... the article really says some nice things about Velo Cult
> > and Sky.
>
> > This is one of the reasons I'm moving there next summer. I just bought
> > a house there and am really excited to explore some new cycling
> > routes. It seems like every where around my new neighborhood there are
> > bike lanes and people actually using them.
>
> > ~Mike~
>
> > On Nov 15, 11:21 pm, Esteban  wrote:
>
> > > You know me now! Protovelo representin'.
>
> > > Esteban
> > > San Diego, Calif.
>
> > > On Nov 15, 10:49 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
>
> > > > Awesomely awesome!  We can all say we knew him when...
>
> > > > On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 6:01 PM, grrlyrida  wrote:
> > > > > I read this last month and didn't realize he was the same Esteban on
> > > > > here. But I did notice the Rivvish bike. :)
>
> > > > >http://momentumplanet.com/articles/san-diego
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[RBW] Re: Latest issue of Momentum

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And their precursor:  wild fires!

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> Let's not forget - Mudslides!
>
> On Nov 16, 2010, at 11:11 AM, William wrote:
>
> > Tsunamis
>
> > On Nov 16, 9:02 am, "cyclotour...@gmail.com" 
> > wrote:
> >> Killer bees...
>
> >> On Nov 16, 7:23 am, Michael_S  wrote:
>
> >>> oh... and I forgot to mention the traffic, high housing prices, fog,
> >>> earthquakes, etc...;-}
>
> >>> ~Mike~
>
> >>> On Nov 16, 7:19 am, Michael_S  wrote:
>
> >>>> very cool... the article really says some nice things about Velo  
> >>>> Cult
> >>>> and Sky.
>
> >>>> This is one of the reasons I'm moving there next summer. I just  
> >>>> bought
> >>>> a house there and am really excited to explore some new cycling
> >>>> routes. It seems like every where around my new neighborhood  
> >>>> there are
> >>>> bike lanes and people actually using them.
>
> >>>> ~Mike~
>
> >>>> On Nov 15, 11:21 pm, Esteban  wrote:
>
> >>>>> You know me now! Protovelo representin'.
>
> >>>>> Esteban
> >>>>> San Diego, Calif.
>
> >>>>> On Nov 15, 10:49 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
>
> >>>>>> Awesomely awesome!  We can all say we knew him when...
>
> >>>>>> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 6:01 PM, grrlyrida  
> >>>>>>  wrote:
> >>>>>>> I read this last month and didn't realize he was the same  
> >>>>>>> Esteban on
> >>>>>>> here. But I did notice the Rivvish bike. :)
>
> >>>>>>>http://momentumplanet.com/articles/san-diego
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[RBW] Dec. SoCal Rivendell Ride - Dirt Mulholland/Bay Cities Deli

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Wanna' get away from the hustle and bustle of the Holiday Season™?
Come find the true meaning of Festivus and Funnikah by riding up on
some the the BEST fire roads I know of, mere yards from 10 million of
your closest friends and neighbors.

The oxygen deprivation of the initial climb will have you seeing
little elfs.  The rolling downhills along the top will make you want
to light up a menorah or whatever you have in your pack.  The rockin'
downhills will the surpass the greatest Winter Solstice/Earth Goddess/
Neo-Pagan ritual you've ever attended.  The inspiring ocean views will
cause an atheist to wonder how 8,000 years of superstition could
possibly be wrong.

And the food awaiting back at Bay Cities will blow away the first
Christmas feast when Columbus landed on Plymouth Rock and celebrated
with Godmother sandwiches and smallpox.

If you can't tell, this is a good one.  Hope we can get some turnout
at this BUSY time for everyone.  More info here:
http://www.flickr.mud.yahoo.com/groups/socal_rivendell_bicycle_appreciation_society/discuss/72157624625801607/

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[RBW] Re: Latest issue of Momentum

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So there.

On Dec 7, 3:22 pm, Esteban  wrote:
> I just remembered - We'll have to do a Riv Ride around the SD Custom
> Bicycle Show, but this year, incorporate more than one of our famous
> brew pubs serving our well-regarded local grog.
>
> Mark your calendars -- I believe its April 8, 9, 10.
>
> Esteban
> San Diego, Calif.
>
> On Nov 17, 9:54 am, doug peterson  wrote:
>
> > Sounds like a team effort is required, just in the interest of
> > impartial research, mind you.  Esteban, can you come up with a route
> > slip?  Is 5 miles between research sites enough distance to burn off
> > any lingering effects that influence evaluations?  Rivendell content:
> > stable bikes with plump tires.
>
> > dougP
>
> > On Nov 16, 7:52 pm, Michael_S  wrote:
>
> > > I plan on making regular trips there too... and Station Tavernand
> > > all the Brewpubs.
> > > Not sure how much time I'll have to ride.
>
> > > ~Mike~
>
> > > On Nov 16, 3:43 pm, doug peterson  wrote:
>
> > > > So Esteban, how much time do you spend at the Blind Lady anyway?
> > > > Didn't make it there on last ride with you; more field research
> > > > required.
>
> > > > dougP
>
> > > > On Nov 16, 11:11 am, William  wrote:
>
> > > > > Tsunamis
>
> > > > > On Nov 16, 9:02 am, "cyclotour...@gmail.com" 
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > Killer bees...
>
> > > > > > On Nov 16, 7:23 am, Michael_S  wrote:
>
> > > > > > > oh... and I forgot to mention the traffic, high housing prices, 
> > > > > > > fog,
> > > > > > > earthquakes, etc...;-}
>
> > > > > > > ~Mike~
>
> > > > > > > On Nov 16, 7:19 am, Michael_S  wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > very cool... the article really says some nice things about 
> > > > > > > > Velo Cult
> > > > > > > > and Sky.
>
> > > > > > > > This is one of the reasons I'm moving there next summer. I just 
> > > > > > > > bought
> > > > > > > > a house there and am really excited to explore some new cycling
> > > > > > > > routes. It seems like every where around my new neighborhood 
> > > > > > > > there are
> > > > > > > > bike lanes and people actually using them.
>
> > > > > > > > ~Mike~
>
> > > > > > > > On Nov 15, 11:21 pm, Esteban  wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > You know me now! Protovelo representin'.
>
> > > > > > > > > Esteban
> > > > > > > > > San Diego, Calif.
>
> > > > > > > > > On Nov 15, 10:49 pm, cyclotourist  
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > Awesomely awesome!  We can all say we knew him when...
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 6:01 PM, grrlyrida 
> > > > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > I read this last month and didn't realize he was the same 
> > > > > > > > > > > Esteban on
> > > > > > > > > > > here. But I did notice the Rivvish bike. :)
>
> > > > > > > > > > >http://momentumplanet.com/articles/san-diego
>
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> > > > > > > > > > David
> > > > > > > > > > Redlands, CA
>
> > > > > > > > > > *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders 
> > > > > > > > > > who would
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[RBW] Re: Latest issue of Momentum

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I'm so there.

On Dec 7, 3:22 pm, Esteban  wrote:
> I just remembered - We'll have to do a Riv Ride around the SD Custom
> Bicycle Show, but this year, incorporate more than one of our famous
> brew pubs serving our well-regarded local grog.
>
> Mark your calendars -- I believe its April 8, 9, 10.
>
> Esteban
> San Diego, Calif.
>
> On Nov 17, 9:54 am, doug peterson  wrote:
>
> > Sounds like a team effort is required, just in the interest of
> > impartial research, mind you.  Esteban, can you come up with a route
> > slip?  Is 5 miles between research sites enough distance to burn off
> > any lingering effects that influence evaluations?  Rivendell content:
> > stable bikes with plump tires.
>
> > dougP
>
> > On Nov 16, 7:52 pm, Michael_S  wrote:
>
> > > I plan on making regular trips there too... and Station Tavernand
> > > all the Brewpubs.
> > > Not sure how much time I'll have to ride.
>
> > > ~Mike~
>
> > > On Nov 16, 3:43 pm, doug peterson  wrote:
>
> > > > So Esteban, how much time do you spend at the Blind Lady anyway?
> > > > Didn't make it there on last ride with you; more field research
> > > > required.
>
> > > > dougP
>
> > > > On Nov 16, 11:11 am, William  wrote:
>
> > > > > Tsunamis
>
> > > > > On Nov 16, 9:02 am, "cyclotour...@gmail.com" 
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > Killer bees...
>
> > > > > > On Nov 16, 7:23 am, Michael_S  wrote:
>
> > > > > > > oh... and I forgot to mention the traffic, high housing prices, 
> > > > > > > fog,
> > > > > > > earthquakes, etc...;-}
>
> > > > > > > ~Mike~
>
> > > > > > > On Nov 16, 7:19 am, Michael_S  wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > very cool... the article really says some nice things about 
> > > > > > > > Velo Cult
> > > > > > > > and Sky.
>
> > > > > > > > This is one of the reasons I'm moving there next summer. I just 
> > > > > > > > bought
> > > > > > > > a house there and am really excited to explore some new cycling
> > > > > > > > routes. It seems like every where around my new neighborhood 
> > > > > > > > there are
> > > > > > > > bike lanes and people actually using them.
>
> > > > > > > > ~Mike~
>
> > > > > > > > On Nov 15, 11:21 pm, Esteban  wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > You know me now! Protovelo representin'.
>
> > > > > > > > > Esteban
> > > > > > > > > San Diego, Calif.
>
> > > > > > > > > On Nov 15, 10:49 pm, cyclotourist  
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > Awesomely awesome!  We can all say we knew him when...
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 6:01 PM, grrlyrida 
> > > > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > I read this last month and didn't realize he was the same 
> > > > > > > > > > > Esteban on
> > > > > > > > > > > here. But I did notice the Rivvish bike. :)
>
> > > > > > > > > > >http://momentumplanet.com/articles/san-diego
>
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[RBW] Dec. SoCal Rivendell Ride - Dirt Mulholland/Bay Cities Deli

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Looking for a last minute stocking stuffer idea:  Hop on your bike and
go for a ride with us Saturday morning!  Best mixed terrain ride in
SoCal!

Meeting in Santa Monica @ Peets on Montana & 14th.  Ride is planned to
be underway @ 10:00, so get their early enough to hang out and prepare
yourself for the ride by (ogle bike & drink espresso!).

http://www.flickr.mud.yahoo.com/groups/socal_rivendell_bicycle_appreciation_society/discuss/72157624625801607/

Any bike/tire/person combination welcomed!!!  Serious, if you're on
the fence cuz' you think we're going to be snooty, get over your bad-
self and come on out!

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[RBW] Re: Dec. SoCal Rivendell Ride - Dirt Mulholland/Bay Cities Deli

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That's ok, I say Tom Sawyer is about some kid who ran away from home
to go to a Space Invaders tournament.

On Dec 10, 7:10 am, Seth Vidal  wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 10:04 AM, cyclotourist  wrote:
> > Geddy knows what he's talking about!
>
> For the longest time I thought he was talking about a gas-powered recumbent.
>
> :)
> -sv

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[RBW] Re: Shimmy, according to BQ

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10:1 he lurks here...

On Dec 10, 10:38 am, Bruce  wrote:
> Send this part off to Eben Weiss. He can always use good material..
>
> 
> From: William 
>
> >>The Cliff-notes synopsis is: "I don't know what causes shimmy, nor does
>
> anyone else.  Here's what several oldschool guys said about shimmy.
> They were wrong.  I can't take a bike that doesn't shimmy and change
> it into a bike that does shimmy.  Even though I don't have any ideas
> about the causes or the solutions, you should absolutely swap your
> headset to needle bearings if your bike shimmies and hope for the
> best, even though I don't know if it will help, and maybe will make it
> worse"<<

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[RBW] Re: Dec. SoCal Rivendell Ride - Dirt Mulholland/Bay Cities Deli

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Good question, maybe it is a 32T???

On Dec 13, 7:19 am, Michael_S  wrote:
> My 1st MTB, a Schwinn Sierra had a double up front and one of those
> 14-48 Freewheels... it got me up a lot of steep trails in 1984.
>
> and and in the"learn somethin' everday" file ... I thought the Suntour
> microdrive cranks were 94/58... after Brain's post above I checked the
> XC Comp in my parts bin... 56!  darn.. I was going to use that 20T
> ring on the S-works ( Sugino) crank. Now I have to buy a 58bcd 20T
> ring for my new dropbar 29er.
>
> and David where did you find a x-34 cassette in an 8 speed?  All I can
> find is 32 as max cog.
>
> ~Mike~
>
> On Dec 13, 3:19 am, EricP  wrote:
>
> > Or just get yourself one of the old SunTour 14-38 freewheels 
> > -http://tinyurl.com/3xvy42z
>
> > Actually used one in about 1984 or 1985.  Had to custom modify a rear
> > derailer to work.  Seems I took a SunTour AR or similar body and
> > attached a GT long cage to it.  Something like that.
>
> > Still seems to me, David, you had no problem staying ahead of my
> > riding last year.  In fact, you were sprinting pretty hard in some
> > spots.  Like along the river.  Had to do everything to keep up.
>
> > Eric Platt
> > St. Paul, MN
>
> > On Dec 12, 10:27 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
>
> > > Thanks for the link, but they're definitely 56BCD-ers.  Looks like PJW has
> > > 'em there.
>
> > > Thanks!
>
> > > On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 8:16 PM, rperks  wrote:
> > > > Ok I am going to give away one of my sources for 94/58 rings in hope
> > > > that if people buy these that TA will not quit making them
>
> > > >http://www.starbike.com/php/product_list.php?prodcatid=7〈=en&Hers...
>
> > > > if the link fails, try
> > > >http://www.starbike.com
> > > > then components -> drivetrain -> chains/chainrings -> and then filter
> > > > by 94/58
>
> > > > I would be shocked if it was a 56 not a 58 since it is A selling the
> > > > rings, but you never know unless you measure.  One of the nice things
> > > > about ring packaging is the measuring templates they include.
>
> > > > --
>
> > > > Rob Perks
> > > > oceanaircycles.com
>
> > > > On Dec 12, 7:57 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
> > > > > I was wondering why you didn't show up!
>
> > > > > A 20T might be just the ticket.  Are there any downsides to running a
> > > > > chainring so small (chaindrop or something)?  I just checked, and 
> > > > > it's a
> > > > > 56BCD, not 58... Actiontec doesn't have those, although they also 
> > > > > have SS
> > > > > rings for very reasonable.
>
> > > > > Anyone out there know where to source a 20T 56BCD chainring?
>
> > > > > On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Michael_S  > > > >wrote:
>
> > > > > > David, with that 58BCD crank you can run a 20T granny. That will 
> > > > > > give
> > > > > > you a similar gear to the 22-36 with your 34.
>
> > > > > > The 20T's are hard to find but ActionTec makes one in Ti!
>
> > > > > > I have an old S-works crank that will run that combo and so will 
> > > > > > some
> > > > > > of the Ritcheys.
>
> > > > > > The ride looked like a lot of fun. I'm sorry I missed it. I've been
> > > > > > nursing a sore hip and sticking to flat rides for the moment.
>
> > > > > > ~Mike~
>
> > > > > > On Dec 12, 6:59 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sun, 2010-12-12 at 18:44 -0800, Philip Williamson wrote:
> > > > > > > > Steve wrote:
> > > > > > > > > That can be as easy as changing the cassette, the chain and 
> > > > > > > > > one
> > > > > > shifter.
>
> > > > > > > > I think they call that "the drivetrain."
>
> > > > > > > No, that's about half the drive train.  Front derailleur, front
> > > > shifter
> > > > > > > and crank set do not have to be changed.  Nor does the freehub.
>
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[RBW] Re: A blinding glimpse of the obvious......

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Here's the original article in the BMJ:  http://tinyurl.com/23d7pmj or
http://www.bmj.com/content/341/bmj.c6801.full?sid=da3c0aec-7122-47d1-bce4-a96cfdc1a583

On Dec 14, 8:14 am, Kelly Sleeper  wrote:
> In this case it's more of a riding style than the bike.  As much as we
> would like to ignore or minimize the speed difference weight and
> equipment makes, it does exist.
> Even if in most cases it's areodynamics.
>
> 1 2 or 3 mph average speed is nothing right? It could still add up to
> 15 percent if you averaged 20mph.  Now if that 20 mph is your max and
> you're on the edge all the time then every mph is critical and
> expensive and tough to obtain.    If you're riding with friends,
> comuting etc and just rolling along you will gravitate to a speed by
> feel and especially on flat ground the two bikes won't make much
> difference. but the heavier bike would sustain speed a bit better with
> momentum.   So if the effort or heartrate etc isn't part of the
> equation do to plenty being in researve and it's a leisure ride /
> comute.. those are the results I would expect.
>
> On Dec 14, 9:15 am, MKahrl  wrote:
>
> > Do you think some unintentional bias was causing him to ride harder on
> > the steel bike in order to keep the same time?  If so, it was
> > remarkably consistent over the course of 56 rides and nearly 1500
> > miles.

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[RBW] Re: A blinding glimpse of the obvious......

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Yeah, it's a real good write up.  Would be cool to see him re-print in
BQ!

On Dec 14, 8:12 am, jim phillips  wrote:
> It seems like he did the best he could to be unbiased. I cannot imagine doing 
> this starting out with a particular result in mind.
> I think the results are valid.
>
> Jim
>
> > Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 07:15:01 -0800
> > Subject: [RBW] Re: A blinding glimpse of the obvious..
> > From: mkah...@gmail.com
> > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>
> > Do you think some unintentional bias was causing him to ride harder on
> > the steel bike in order to keep the same time? If so, it was
> > remarkably consistent over the course of 56 rides and nearly 1500
> > miles.
>
> > Commuting with stop signs would give the lighter bike an even bigger
> > advantage than in sporting riding/racing as you would have 0-25 mph
> > acceleratons instead of 20-25 mph accelerations.
>
> > If carrying an extra five pounds of luggage on both the commuter bike
> > and the racing bike makes the racing bike advantage moot; what does
> > that say about plopping a 150 lb rider into the saddle? Moot x 30?
>
> > Michael Kahrl
>
> > On Dec 14, 9:20 am, "Bill M."  wrote:
> > > The article leaves many unanswered questions.  How much did he carry
> > > on his commute, how often did he need to stop, were there hills to
> > > climb, did he monitor his efforts by heart rate to screen out
> > > unintentional bias, was he trying to ride to the same perceived effort
> > > or the same speed?  What tires were on each bike?
>
> > > The upshot is that lightweight bicycles are in their element in
> > > sporting riding/racing where weight can make some difference, not
> > > commuting where stop signs and luggage make a couple of pounds on the
> > > frame moot.  Different horses for different courses.
>
> > > Bill
>
> > > On Dec 14, 3:27 am, George Millwood 
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > It is so nice when scientists use their lesiure time to enlighten the
> > > > public
>
> > > >http://www.smh.com.au/executive-style/fitness/in-cycling-its-a-case-o...
>
> > > > In our case it is preaching to the converted but it is still nice to
> > > > see it in print.
>
> > > > George Millwood
> > > > Atlantis No 93
> > > > Wollongong Australia
>
> > > > Yes, I have left the great metropolis of Sydney and relocated to the
> > > > coastal city of Wollongong.  This is the steel making heart of
> > > > Australia but thanks to closed hearth furnaces it is now but a
> > > > different skyline.  I now live one and a half blocks from a couple of
> > > > glorious beaches and enjoy a coastal cyclepath that gently winds along
> > > > the cost past rockpools, the aforementioned steelworks and golden
> > > > sands that stretch for miles.  You can look it up on Google Maps.- Hide 
> > > > quoted text -
>
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[RBW] Re: Mountain Mixte is pretty

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I LOOOVE the idea of a mountain mixte.  Really cool idea.  Wonder how
the stock Bettys/Yves would hold up to trail use?


On Dec 17, 9:50 am, erik jensen  wrote:
> looks awesome, second for bigger photos~
>
> erik

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[RBW] Re: Mountain Mixte is pretty

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Kinda' jonseing for a 29er mixte right now!

On Dec 17, 12:14 pm, EricP  wrote:
> Betting it wasn't for public consumption.  Rivendell used to (might
> still?) have a section for customers to see the bike before it's
> shipped.
>
> As to a mountain mixte, Mongoose made them at one point.  My wife
> (then girlfriend) had one as her first bike.  Long and heavy.  But
> pretty cool chrome.  Saw one recently and it still looks nice.
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
> On Dec 17, 2:07 pm, Mike  wrote:
>
> > The link doesn't seem to be working now. : (

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[RBW] Re: Flickr link

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To what on flickr?

On Jan 12, 11:50 am, robert zeidler  wrote:
> I've somehow, cleverly managed to delete this link, could somebody
> hook a brother up?
>
> RGZ

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[RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring

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The ~10mm I moved my seat back really has helped with my set up.  I'm
limited to a Dirt Drop stem for the height I need on my AR, and it's
always been too short in reach.  The VO setback makes it much more
comfortable.  I don't think I'm using the full extension of setback
(14mm), so hopefully it won't snap off on me.  It still seems like
the clamping area itself should be a little larger to distribute the
forces better.  I've been meaning to measure and compare/contrast to a
model 65...

On Jan 12, 11:28 am, Mike S  wrote:
> From a very crude look at the VO seatpost on their website, it seems
> like it has significantly less setback than the Nitto. There's also
> that issue, a-la-G.P, 'if you're gonna put that much setback in, it
> better be steel'. This post basically took my Quickbeam from an 'off-
> the-rack' feel to custom tailored (I probably should have gotten a 66
> frame, but got a 64 because of inaccurate PBH measurement). I expect
> it to do the same for the other 64cm frame it's going on, and if
> that's the case, it's well worth the high cost (and I expect it to
> last several lifetimes).
>
> The S-84 can be had for $150 (w. shipping) from these guys, who I can
> vouch for after buying one from them 
> previously:http://www.bikemania.biz/Nitto_Seatpost_S84_Lugged_Steel_Seatpost_p/n...
>
> On Jan 12, 1:09 am, cyclotourist  wrote:
>
> > I got one of those for Xmas, and really like the two bolt design.  I am
> > worried about the clamping area as it seems much narrower than a Nitto,
> > Thomspon, or brand X clamp.  Seems like it could concentrate vibrations over
> > a smaller area and lead to fatigue on the saddle rails.  Time will tell...
>
> > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 10:06 AM, NickBull  wrote:
> > > It's a little unclear just how much setback the Nitto lugged seatpost
> > > has.  Rivendell says it has 15mm more than the Crystal Fellow, and on
> > > AEBike's website, it says that the Crystal Fellow has 14mm of setback,
> > > so that would imply that the lugged seatpost has around 30mm of
> > > setback.
>
> > > That's the same amount of setback as the Velo Orange Grand Cru
> > > seatpost, 30.2mm.  I've been riding one of those for a little over a
> > > month and it is a really nice 2-bolt seatpost.  Much less expensive
> > > than the Nitto, though not as blingy of course.
>
> > > Nick
>
> > > On Jan 9, 6:19 pm, Mike S  wrote:
> > > > Well, based on that near-certainty of bent rails based on what I want
> > > > to do, it seems another $150 Nitto S-84 seatpost & B17 combo is in
> > > > order for me. It is strange that S.A would design rails that lend
> > > > themselves to failure-inducing experiments, but I'm glad I can learn
> > > > from experience.
>
> > > > Life shure is tougher for us long-legged, long-armed dudes... but who
> > > > can whine about having a fancy lugged seatpost?
>
> > > > On Jan 9, 4:58 pm, "Bill M."  wrote:
>
> > > > > No Bomba in my stable!
>
> > > > > It didn't take anything extreme, just having the saddle too far back,
> > > > > a seatpost clamp that didn't support the rails properly (an old
> > > > > American Classic) and my 180 lb body were enough to bend the rails.
> > > > > As I said, I bent them back and I still ride the saddle, but with a
> > > > > different post and a less extreme position.
>
> > > > > Jason,
>
> > > > > If the mfg. says "don't do this" and you do anyway, don't you own some
> > > > > responsibility for the results?
>
> > > > > Bill
>
> > > > > On Jan 9, 9:33 am, Philip Williamson 
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Jan 8, 9:49 pm, "Bill M."  wrote:
>
> > > > > > > "Bent Frame Wire - A small number of saddles have been replaced in
> > > the
> > > > > > > past two years due to frame wire bending during a ride. These 
> > > > > > > first
> > > > > > > happened exclusively with mountain bike riders doing extreme
> > > riding.
> > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > They aren't kidding.  Ask how I know...
>
> > > > > > Hucking your Bombadil?
>
> > > > > >  Philip
>
> > > > > >  Philip Williamsonwww.biketinker.com
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[RBW] Re: Flickr link

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Team work!

On Jan 12, 12:46 pm, CycloFiend  wrote:
> on 1/12/11 11:50 AM, robert zeidler at zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > I've somehow, cleverly managed to delete this link, could somebody
> > hook a brother up?
>
> Ooop - missed the "tall rider group" from this past week.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/groups/1602...@n21/pool/
>
> - J
>
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[RBW] Re: Flickr link

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And lets not forget this one!

http://www.flickr.mud.yahoo.com/groups/
rivendell_valve_stems/">Rivendell Valve Stems

On Jan 12, 12:46 pm, CycloFiend  wrote:
> on 1/12/11 11:50 AM, robert zeidler at zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > I've somehow, cleverly managed to delete this link, could somebody
> > hook a brother up?
>
> Ooop - missed the "tall rider group" from this past week.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/groups/1602...@n21/pool/
>
> - J
>
> --
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[RBW] Re: Flickr link

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http://www.flickr.mud.yahoo.com/groups/rivendell_valve_stems/

Stupid HTML

On Jan 12, 1:24 pm, "cyclotour...@gmail.com" 
wrote:
> And lets not forget this one!
>
> http://www.flickr.mud.yahoo.com/groups/
> rivendell_valve_stems/">Rivendell Valve Stems
>
> On Jan 12, 12:46 pm, CycloFiend  wrote:
>
> > on 1/12/11 11:50 AM, robert zeidler at zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > I've somehow, cleverly managed to delete this link, could somebody
> > > hook a brother up?
>
> > Ooop - missed the "tall rider group" from this past week.
>
> >http://www.flickr.com/groups/1602...@n21/pool/
>
> > - J
>
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[RBW] Re: MISC items for sale. Bar end shifters, MUSA, Nitto

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Now we know you're not among the 23 percent of the world that can
handle knickers.


On Jan 18, 10:15 am, jinxed  wrote:
> Morning all.
>
>
> Musa knickers. Blue Medium. I tried these on while visiting Rivendell,
> brought them home. Wife washed them. Been sitting since. Seems I'm
> just not a knicker guy. Shorts or pants for me.
> $55
>

>
> Cheers,
> Brad

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[RBW] Re: Anybody have a 68 cm Quickbeam for sale??

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Wasn't Forbes Bagatell-Black staring a bikes for tall-folk company???
I know he was importing city bikes at one point, but thought he was
going to specialize???

On Jan 19, 8:45 am, CycloFiend  wrote:
> on 1/19/11 8:20 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery at thill@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> "Demand" and people chatting on an internet forum, lamenting a bike that
> went out of production for lack of demand, are two very different things...
>
> True.
>
> But, the number of people on this list is significantly higher than the
> number of more active participants.  So, if a few people are talking about
> it, it might be a fair estimate to say that "few times 'x' " might be
> interested enough to act as well.
>
> In other words, the active posting members are a subset of the group
> members, which is in itself a subset of the people who are aware of and
> appreciate the Rivendell products.  Most of these discussions do get a
> larger number of people thinking.
>
> - Jim "who is thinking that sounded a lot like the scene in the bathroom in
> 'Animal House'"
>
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[RBW] Re: Anybody have a 68 cm Quickbeam for sale??

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Do you know if he's still doing these or if they were one-offs?

On Jan 19, 10:18 am, Cycletex  wrote:
> Yes.
>
> I have one of Forbes' road bikes. The "2XLT" is an aluminum road bike
> designed (I'm pretty sure) by Alan Wanta and built in Taiwan at the
> same factory as.. (enter major maker of aluminum road frames) somebody
> or other. He no longer sells the frames.
>
> How is it? Well, it's obviously not a Riv, but for an aluminum bike,
> it's way more Riv than the "major makers" aluminum road bike. It rides
> great. Very stable at all speeds. No shimmy... at all. Carbon fork...
> well, I get the heebie jeebies about that at times but it feels good
> and all. The bars would be higher if my ding dang LBS hadn't cut the
> steerer tube down an inch or so but the coolest thing about it, beyond
> the ride, is it's tire clearance. I ride it with 32c Paselas and most
> recently with Grand Bois 30's (about the same actual width as the
> Paselas). Using these "fattish" road tires, I find they mellow out the
> stiffness of the aluminum really well. When I've been off this bike
> awhile it takes me a bit of time to get back in sync with it, but when
> I do it feels really sweet. Set up with open pro's, dura ace 7700
> components it's pretty dang light for it's size. Climbs the west
> Austin hills better than I do so no complaints. Oh yeah, it has fender
> mounts too.
>
> I have the specs that Forbes shared on a user group I can forward to
> anyone interested. Overall, I'm really glad I purchased it (esp. at
> the discounted Ebay price) and it's a nice alternative to my Quickbeam
> and Atlantis when I get the go-fast bug.

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[RBW] Re: Anybody have a 68 cm Quickbeam for sale??

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Ahhh, Cycles Valhalla, that's what the name was, thanks!

On Jan 19, 11:22 am, Cycletex  wrote:
> No longer doing them. I'm not sure what the story is but I know he's
> no longer doing these or any of the Cycles Valhalla products. My 2XLT
> was purchased when he was getting rid of the last few on Ebay.
>
> On Jan 19, 12:38 pm, "cyclotour...@gmail.com" 
> wrote:
>
> > Do you know if he's still doing these or if they were one-offs?
>
> > On Jan 19, 10:18 am, Cycletex  wrote:
>
> > > Yes.
>
> > > I have one of Forbes' road bikes. The "2XLT" is an aluminum road bike
> > > designed (I'm pretty sure) by Alan Wanta and built in Taiwan at the
> > > same factory as.. (enter major maker of aluminum road frames) somebody
> > > or other. He no longer sells the frames.
>
> > > How is it? Well, it's obviously not a Riv, but for an aluminum bike,
> > > it's way more Riv than the "major makers" aluminum road bike. It rides
> > > great. Very stable at all speeds. No shimmy... at all. Carbon fork...
> > > well, I get the heebie jeebies about that at times but it feels good
> > > and all. The bars would be higher if my ding dang LBS hadn't cut the
> > > steerer tube down an inch or so but the coolest thing about it, beyond
> > > the ride, is it's tire clearance. I ride it with 32c Paselas and most
> > > recently with Grand Bois 30's (about the same actual width as the
> > > Paselas). Using these "fattish" road tires, I find they mellow out the
> > > stiffness of the aluminum really well. When I've been off this bike
> > > awhile it takes me a bit of time to get back in sync with it, but when
> > > I do it feels really sweet. Set up with open pro's, dura ace 7700
> > > components it's pretty dang light for it's size. Climbs the west
> > > Austin hills better than I do so no complaints. Oh yeah, it has fender
> > > mounts too.
>
> > > I have the specs that Forbes shared on a user group I can forward to
> > > anyone interested. Overall, I'm really glad I purchased it (esp. at
> > > the discounted Ebay price) and it's a nice alternative to my Quickbeam
> > > and Atlantis when I get the go-fast bug.

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[RBW] Re: Soma New Express 650Bs are great.

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Man, you're making me miss my Bleriot all over again!!!  Maybe
shoulda' hung on to that one... :-)

I wish Soma or Riv or someone would come out w/ a similar 700C tire,
as it sounds great!

On Jan 24, 7:09 am, William  wrote:
> The Soma New Express 650B tires that I purchased from Rivendell are
> great tires.  On the 200k brevet I did this weekend I was alongside
> many 700x23, 700x25, 700x28 riders on some pretty rough pavement on
> Sir Francis Drake and elsewhere.  I noticed lots of grunts of pain and
> loud knocks and rattles from the skinny tired bikes and their riders,
> while my 650x38 Somas took the bumps in stride.  I didn't feel any
> penalty on the rolling resistance side, catching plenty of skinny
> tires bikes on descents when just coasting.  On one descent in
> particular, I was braking to not run into the group in front, and the
> skinny tired rider next to me was pedalling.  This isn't scientific,
> but qualitatively I felt no penalty.  On the climbs there were riders
> faster than me that disappeared into the distance, and riders slower
> than me that I passed.  I didn't feel my tires had anything to do with
> it.
>
> I've got about 1000k on these tires and have had zero flats, after
> getting 2 glass flats in Pari-Motos in about 100k.  I plan on using
> the Pari-Motos a lot more in the summer when glass isn't invisible on
> wet roads.
>
> I'm still a new 650B road rider, but I've ridden Gran Bois Hetres
> about 50 miles, Pari-Motos about 50 miles, and Roly-Polys about 50
> miles.  The Soma New Express seems to fit right in there with the
> other wide tires.   70psi was too hard for me, but 55 in front and 60
> in back seems to work great for mixed quality pavement (I'm about 175
> lbs).  I'll try to do a better comparison with the skinny Roly Polys
> and will also try the Soma B-Lines which have an unreinforced casing.
> I can't say that I expect a profound difference in "suppleness" at the
> same pressure, but I'll try to have  an open mind about it.
>
> If you want to use a 650B bike as an all-road machine, and want an
> great tire at a great price, I strongly recommend the Soma New
> Express.

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[RBW] Re: Soma New Express 650Bs are great.

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Didn't realize that... I thought it was a 650b only tire!  This is
getting interesting... the 700X35C might be perfect.
Basically it's a folding Pasela w/out the Tourguard but instead with
"HyperTex".  That's supposed to roll better???  Their page shows
availability in skinwall also... http://www.somafab.com/tires.html

Interesting indeed!

On Jan 24, 8:49 am, William  wrote:
> Steve, I draw no conclusion from the observations.  I'm just reporting
> my observations.  When others post a tire report, many ask for # of
> flats and # of miles.  I'm just giving the data.  It's a fact that if
> I hit the right shaped object on any tire, I'll get a puncture.
>
> Soma does offer the NewExpress in 700C, from 23 to 35c widths.  They
> are distributed by Merry Sales, which means you can order them from
> Rivendell and let them put the markup in their register.  Everybody
> wins!
>
> On Jan 24, 8:43 am, "cyclotour...@gmail.com" 
> wrote:
>
> > Man, you're making me miss my Bleriot all over again!!!  Maybe
> > shoulda' hung on to that one... :-)
>
> > I wish Soma or Riv or someone would come out w/ a similar 700C tire,
> > as it sounds great!
>
> > On Jan 24, 7:09 am, William  wrote:
>
> > > The Soma New Express 650B tires that I purchased from Rivendell are
> > > great tires.  On the 200k brevet I did this weekend I was alongside
> > > many 700x23, 700x25, 700x28 riders on some pretty rough pavement on
> > > Sir Francis Drake and elsewhere.  I noticed lots of grunts of pain and
> > > loud knocks and rattles from the skinny tired bikes and their riders,
> > > while my 650x38 Somas took the bumps in stride.  I didn't feel any
> > > penalty on the rolling resistance side, catching plenty of skinny
> > > tires bikes on descents when just coasting.  On one descent in
> > > particular, I was braking to not run into the group in front, and the
> > > skinny tired rider next to me was pedalling.  This isn't scientific,
> > > but qualitatively I felt no penalty.  On the climbs there were riders
> > > faster than me that disappeared into the distance, and riders slower
> > > than me that I passed.  I didn't feel my tires had anything to do with
> > > it.
>
> > > I've got about 1000k on these tires and have had zero flats, after
> > > getting 2 glass flats in Pari-Motos in about 100k.  I plan on using
> > > the Pari-Motos a lot more in the summer when glass isn't invisible on
> > > wet roads.
>
> > > I'm still a new 650B road rider, but I've ridden Gran Bois Hetres
> > > about 50 miles, Pari-Motos about 50 miles, and Roly-Polys about 50
> > > miles.  The Soma New Express seems to fit right in there with the
> > > other wide tires.   70psi was too hard for me, but 55 in front and 60
> > > in back seems to work great for mixed quality pavement (I'm about 175
> > > lbs).  I'll try to do a better comparison with the skinny Roly Polys
> > > and will also try the Soma B-Lines which have an unreinforced casing.
> > > I can't say that I expect a profound difference in "suppleness" at the
> > > same pressure, but I'll try to have  an open mind about it.
>
> > > If you want to use a 650B bike as an all-road machine, and want an
> > > great tire at a great price, I strongly recommend the Soma New
> > > Express.

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[RBW] Re: Must-visit shops in Phoenix, Tucson?

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I don't know any shops, but will second M.B. in saying that Dreamy
Draw is a GREAT place to hike or meander about on bike.  REI in PHX
has a pretty good map showing the Mountain Preserve and a second one
showing South Mountain.

Here are some pics from when I was there in Dec:
http://www.flickr.mud.yahoo.com/groups/phxmtns/pool/64942209@N00/

On Jan 24, 11:11 am, Montclair BobbyB 
wrote:
> As an out-of-towner I found The Slippery Pig in Phoenix to be a really
> cool shop... I once rented/demoed a bike from there.  Really nice
> folks, and great vibe... the kind of LBS that's fun to hang out at...
>
> A nice off-road ride in Phoenix is the Piestewa / Dreamy Draw area on
> the North side of Phoenix (near Squaw Peak).  I have ridden there a
> few times when I stayed at the Squaw Pointe Hilton.  Another great
> mountain ride is South Mountain (south of the city)... never rode
> there myself, but my friends have numerous times, and speak highly of
> it.  Much more technical and difficult than Piestewa, which is
> beginner/intermediate, but not boring by any stretch.
>
> On Jan 24, 1:03 pm, Edward Felker  wrote:
>
> > I'll be spending time in both cities the first week of March.
>
> > Thanks,
> > Ed Felker
> > Washington, DC

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[RBW] Re: Rivish Kids Bikes?

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The Redline Conquest 24  
http://www.redlinebicycles.com/bikes/cyclocross/2011-conquest-24
or the discontinued Kona Jake 24 and both cyclocross bikes with drops
and v-brakes.   The Redline looks like a really nice bike.  You might
want to swap out brifters for bar-ends, but other than that pretty
good and ready to go out of the box.

On Jan 24, 12:04 pm, Brad Gantt  wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> My daughter totaled her bike against a curb yesterday (she's bruised but
> fine) which means we get to shop for a new bike. She will likely fit a 24"
> wheel or thereabouts. Most of the majors have the same MTB/Cruiser models
> available but I was wondering if anyone knew of anything approaching a
> versatile country bike for kids? If the Surly LHT were small enough, it
> might be ideal. Any other ideas welcome as well. Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

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Car-free and car-light are two different things, and both
commendable!!!  I doubt I will ever be car-free, but every year I try
to drive less and less.  It's fun, saves money, gives me great
"parking", a little exercise, doesn't fund Islamic extremists.  All my
local errands are done on foot or bike.  Luckily I live in a place
where I can do that.

A GREAT tool to motivate yourself and others is the two-mile challenge
map:  http://www.2milechallenge.com/map/  Plug in an address and it
shows you everywhere within a two mile radius that cycling to should
be a real possibility.   Go ahead, and try it, your bosses won't mind
at all!

On Jan 25, 10:06 am, bfd  wrote:
>
> Agree, green or not, its great that you can live without a car.
> However, do you have children or elderly parents? If so, how do you
> handle transporting them?
>
> I have two young girls and a 79 year old elderly mother that I
> routinely need to transport, so a car is a necessity. Yes, my girls
> are getting to the point where they can ride by themselves, but there
> is no way I'm ever going to get my mom on a bike.

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[RBW] Re: California weather

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I just bought some fenders, although mainly for looks.  Hopefully the
rain gods won't see this as a slight or if so, the gods of foppishness
will intervene.

On Jan 25, 8:38 am, JimD  wrote:
> I may be messing this all up.
>
> The custom doesn't have fenders (yet). My Saluki has fenders and  
> leather mud flaps (attached with horrid black zip ties).
>
> At best this could be neutral for the gods of weather. I suspect  
> though that this frustrates them and they will make us
> all pay. Currently here in Norther Calif. the gods seem confused and  
> are showering us with spring-like conditions.
>
> Not sure how all of this influences the earthquake gods - just hope  
> they are sleeping.
> -JimD
>
> On Jan 25, 2011, at 6:10 AM  Jan 25, 2011, Jim Cloud wrote:
>
> > Well, I've had fenders on my Rivendell Road Standard for some time.
> > If there is a correlation between having fenders mounted and stopping
> > rainfall, it must be working.  We haven't had a drop of moisture so
> > far this month in Tucson (maybe a chance next week!).  I agree with
> > those that keep their fenders mounted because they keep their bikes
> > cleaner (I also have a fender mount rear light).
>
> > Jim Cloud
> > Tucson, AZ
>
> > On Jan 24, 7:37 pm, Bill Gibson  wrote:
> >> When I moved here, I took off my fenders. I felt like I felt when I  
> >> passed
> >> my last math class in high school: free at last, free at last,  
> >> great g-
> >> amighty, free at last. I missed them. I put them back on. One bike  
> >> has
> >> plastic with zip ties, the other has Berthouds almost expertly  
> >> installed by
> >> me. (And I eventually got a minor in Mathematics for my B.A.)
>
> >> I think they are aerodynamic and efficacious in the annual rain.  
> >> And they
> >> keep the dust off.
>
> >> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 7:07 PM, charlie   
> >> wrote:
> >>> You guys crack me up..I never take my fenders off. My bike
> >>> stays cleaner even when it isn't raining and I have a place to  
> >>> mount a
> >>> rear taillight that looks nice plus fenders belong on a bicycle.
>
> >>> On Jan 24, 10:14 am, rperks  wrote:
>  A couple of weeks back, in an attempt to cram fenders and Jack  
>  Browns
>  onto the Roadeo I finally laid down my $10 and bought a set of
>  sheldon's fender nuts.  At first glance and a hand fit, it looks  
>  like
>  it might fit, tight but fit.  I belive that the fender nuts alone  
>  may
>  have been enough to trigger the end of the rains, if I contiue the
>  fitting of the fenders we may never have rain again.  I probably  
>  can
>  not take full credit, but will say you're welcome.
>
>  Rob "thinking about fenders in a coastal desert" Perks
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[RBW] Re: California weather

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Yet you're still getting winter... you must be doing something
wrong!  :-)

On Jan 25, 12:22 pm, EricP  wrote:
> Of course, all my bikes, including the "indoor" Sam Hillborne have
> fenders.  It's one reason haven't really thought about a Pugsley.
> Lack of appropriate fenders.  Now, if there were Berthoud fenders in
> 26x120s, then we'd be talking.  (Just imagine tweed mudflaps for
> those.  Wow!)
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
> On Jan 25, 12:59 pm, "cyclotour...@gmail.com" 
> wrote:
>
> > I just bought some fenders, although mainly for looks.  Hopefully the
> > rain gods won't see this as a slight or if so, the gods of foppishness
> > will intervene.
>
> > On Jan 25, 8:38 am, JimD  wrote:
>
> > > I may be messing this all up.
>
> > > The custom doesn't have fenders (yet). My Saluki has fenders and  
> > > leather mud flaps (attached with horrid black zip ties).
>
> > > At best this could be neutral for the gods of weather. I suspect  
> > > though that this frustrates them and they will make us
> > > all pay. Currently here in Norther Calif. the gods seem confused and  
> > > are showering us with spring-like conditions.
>
> > > Not sure how all of this influences the earthquake gods - just hope  
> > > they are sleeping.
> > > -JimD
>
> > > On Jan 25, 2011, at 6:10 AM  Jan 25, 2011, Jim Cloud wrote:
>
> > > > Well, I've had fenders on my Rivendell Road Standard for some time.
> > > > If there is a correlation between having fenders mounted and stopping
> > > > rainfall, it must be working.  We haven't had a drop of moisture so
> > > > far this month in Tucson (maybe a chance next week!).  I agree with
> > > > those that keep their fenders mounted because they keep their bikes
> > > > cleaner (I also have a fender mount rear light).
>
> > > > Jim Cloud
> > > > Tucson, AZ
>
> > > > On Jan 24, 7:37 pm, Bill Gibson  wrote:
> > > >> When I moved here, I took off my fenders. I felt like I felt when I  
> > > >> passed
> > > >> my last math class in high school: free at last, free at last,  
> > > >> great g-
> > > >> amighty, free at last. I missed them. I put them back on. One bike  
> > > >> has
> > > >> plastic with zip ties, the other has Berthouds almost expertly  
> > > >> installed by
> > > >> me. (And I eventually got a minor in Mathematics for my B.A.)
>
> > > >> I think they are aerodynamic and efficacious in the annual rain.  
> > > >> And they
> > > >> keep the dust off.
>
> > > >> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 7:07 PM, charlie   
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>> You guys crack me up..I never take my fenders off. My bike
> > > >>> stays cleaner even when it isn't raining and I have a place to  
> > > >>> mount a
> > > >>> rear taillight that looks nice plus fenders belong on a bicycle.
>
> > > >>> On Jan 24, 10:14 am, rperks  wrote:
> > > >>>> A couple of weeks back, in an attempt to cram fenders and Jack  
> > > >>>> Browns
> > > >>>> onto the Roadeo I finally laid down my $10 and bought a set of
> > > >>>> sheldon's fender nuts.  At first glance and a hand fit, it looks  
> > > >>>> like
> > > >>>> it might fit, tight but fit.  I belive that the fender nuts alone  
> > > >>>> may
> > > >>>> have been enough to trigger the end of the rains, if I contiue the
> > > >>>> fitting of the fenders we may never have rain again.  I probably  
> > > >>>> can
> > > >>>> not take full credit, but will say you're welcome.
>
> > > >>>> Rob "thinking about fenders in a coastal desert" Perks
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[RBW] Re: 700c vs. 650b, again

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Yeah, TCO is not fun...

What width tires do you want to run and what sort of surfaces will you
be riding over?   650b has a lot of choices in wide tire tires that
are still light and flexible (Pacenti, Grand Bois, Soma) while 700c is
more limited to heavier utility tires in that size (Marathons,
Paselas).  If you like the idea of wider tires, but want them to still
be zippy, go w/ the 650b.

BTW, what width tires did the 54cm bike that you tried out have?  If
they were the narrower type, maybe that would have been part of the
consideration?

On Jan 26, 11:11 am, newenglandbike  wrote:
> I have both a 650b bike and a 700c touring bike with somewhat fat 42c
> tires, and don't really notice a difference in steering response
> between the two.    They have similar angles and trail, and handle
> very similarly.     I agree that fit and comfort are going to be the
> most important thing.
>
> Another thing to consider is that there might be a bit more 'toe-
> overlap' on a 55cm AHH with 700c wheels versus a 54 or 56 with 650b
> tires (which will probably have none at all).
>
> -Matt

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[RBW] Re: 26 inch light?

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In 571/650C, Terry has a 28mm tire.

On Jan 27, 6:42 am, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> If they roll anything like Big Apples for their size and weight, they
> must be good. I wish they'd make them in a narrower size, say 30 mm or
> so.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 6:44 AM, Mojo  wrote:
> > I too like the Marathon Racers, for good puncture protection, what
> > feels like good rolling efficiency, and excellent wear. But they do
> > have a harsher ride than non-TG Paselas.
> >  I am riding them on my 26" wheeled AllRounder & my 700c LHT and will
> > replace them if/when they wear out.
>
> > On Jan 27, 5:44 am, JGS  wrote:
> >> Schwalbe marathon racer.  Big improvement for me over the pasela
>
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[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

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On Jan 27, 11:02 am, bfd  wrote:
> On Jan 25, 10:56 am, "cyclotour...@gmail.com" 
> wrote:> Car-free and car-light are two different things, and both
> > commendable!!!  I doubt I will ever be car-free, but every year I try
> > to drive less and less.  It's fun, saves money, gives me great
> > "parking", a little exercise, doesn't fund Islamic extremists.  All my
> > local errands are done on foot or bike.  Luckily I live in a place
> > where I can do that.
>
> I think your last statment is the key - live in a place where you can
> do local errands, either by bike or walking.  Unfortunately, most
> Americans don't live near places to do local stuff and have no choice
> but to drive.  I know this is supposedly changing with the popularity
> of "density housing" and living near "transit hubs," but let's face
> it, most Americans believe in owning a home in the suburbs where they
> have a white picket fence, the schools are good and its quiet. Hard to
> get those things living in "the city."
>
> My buddy recently started a family and decided to buy a house out in
> the suburbs. He and his wife drive everywhere. He complains about
> "filling up" a couple of times a week. He also complains about not
> having time to "go to the gym," and don't even start about the "cost
> of parking."  Of course, he goes on to brag about how quiet it is
> where he lives, the lack of "riff raffs" living in his area, and the
> greatest of the local public school.
> He knows I commute to work by bike and rags on me about "growing up,"
> "being out in the elements," (while he's nice a cozy in his car with
> the heater turned up, and my favorite, that "the War is Over!" -
> implying that my riding is nothing more than being fugal, no make that
> CHEAP!  I laugh it off as his being jealous as I am saving money ;
> being green - as I'm not using any gas and nor adding to the
> pollution; and basically the have a reduced stress level as riding
> helps burn it off.  I'm probably preaching to the choir, but who has
> it better?
>
> Note, I do own two cars, including a 21 year old BMW that is just fun
> to drive and definitely have to use my cars as I have two young girls
> and an elderly mom to transport. But, my commute is for me and I'm
> glad to have the option to ride! Good Luck!

Trust me, I know I'm lucky.  But it's by choice, too.  We have a
smaller, older house, without the modern amenities.  Wouldn't change
it for a house in the burbs for anything (and couldn't afford a house
in the city).  Tuesday the fam walked downtown for pizza and beer.
Tonight I meet up up with friends to do a bicycle kitchen at our
weekly farmer's market.   But I work a half hour away by car including
drop off at school and/or daycare depending on the day.   No getting
around that for me.  The trick for me is finding an older town,
established prior to WWII.  That gives you a walkable/living scale.
Not too big, not too small said Goldilocks.

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[RBW] Good chainrings out there?

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I'm looking for 110bcd silver finished, ramped and pinned chainrings.
What is a good brand that balances looks, longevity and cost (I know,
pick two...).  I'm loath to pay $70 for TA rings, but love their looks
and performance.  Any other suggestions?

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[RBW] Re: funky Riv frame on ebay

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Yes, I definitely remember it.  Saw it at the San Diego show
even!!! :-)

It's your size, isn't it...???!!!?!?!?!

On Feb 2, 7:38 am, "Andy.M"  wrote:
> Dave,
> It was a custom that went wrong in some way.  After like a year or two
> of back and forth the bike got built but it was missing something.
> Its so gorgeousmust...stayaway.
>
> Andy  "with a shaky hand in Seattle"
>
> On Feb 2, 7:21 am, cyclotourist  wrote:
>
> > IIRC, it was listed on the site as one of their Proto-specials they did for
> > a couple bikes last year???
>
> > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 7:18 AM, Esteban  wrote:
> > > Here's the bike in its original form at SDCBS:
> > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671211@N02/4512933760/
>
> > > Certainly a juicy untold story on this, all the way around.  Did it
> > > end up at the garage sale, or up on the website after it was re-Riv-
> > > ified?
>
> > > A kickstand plate!
>
> > > Esteban
> > > San Diego, Calif.
>
> > > On Feb 2, 6:33 am, stevep33  wrote:
> > > > A memorable frame in Riv history...
>
> > > > Does anyone have a link to some discussion on this frame?  I couldn't
> > > > find it.  Was there a RBW blog entry on it too?
> > > > Just looking for more info on tire clearance, effective TT
> > > > measure...more details and history, etc.
>
> > > > On Feb 2, 8:54 am, Mike  wrote:
>
> > > > > I remember seeing this frame pop-up in a topic thread and maybe for
> > > > > sale on the Riv site. Now it's on ebay. I love the fork crown. Too
> > > > > small for me.
>
> > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230581099589
>
> > > > > --mike
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>
> > *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would
> > probably benefit more from
> > improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS

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[RBW] Re: Computers? No computers?

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I have computers that I use most of the time.  They're fun to play
with on the bike.

On Feb 15, 8:47 am, Minh  wrote:
> I know it's counter to the RBW spirit, but i do carry a GPS watch.  I
> don't have a bike computer bolted on, but the GPS watch i use (garmin
> forerunner 305) is a running watch, but it also works on the bike
> (since it's GPS based and not pedometer).  It talks to my HRM (more
> for health then for training), syncs to my computer for logging.  And
> i can keep it in my bag if i don't want to stare at it on the
> handlebar.
>
> but i'm a data nut, but more just for logging and journaling, just
> curious about where i've been or overall times etc, not to improve my
> times or for training.
>
> i tried to use my iphone for this, but i found it bulky and awkward
> for running and i really wanted HRM integration.
>
> On Feb 15, 11:33 am, JoelMatthews  wrote:
>
> > > I like knowing the time of day
>
> > My Bell & Ross watch does an exemplary job with this.
>
> > > mileage, speed
>
> > I have never used a bike specific computer.  Over the years I have
> > become pretty good at reckoning mileage and speed based on
> > experience.  The few times I have ridden with people who have
> > computers they have verified I am pretty close.
>
> > > It also helps me navigate a bit, and I keep a log of rides and new routes.
>
> > As most of us now have smart phones anyway, I recommend looking at
> > some of the good mapping programs.  Apple and Android have more than
> > one available.  I don't bother getting set up for commuting or day
> > rides.  For touring, smart phone maps come in handy.
>
> > On Feb 15, 10:13 am, stevep33  wrote:
>
> > > Computers.  I like knowing the time of day, mileage, speed, etc.  It
> > > also helps me navigate a bit, and I keep a log of rides and new
> > > routes.
>
> > > On Feb 15, 10:49 am, Mike  wrote:
>
> > > > When I started randonneuring 4 years ago I got a wireless Cateye after
> > > > not using a computer for years. After completing my 2009 brevet series
> > > > I took it off. I rode my 2010 brevet series without a computer and was
> > > > fine. I find the computer distracting and I'm just not interested in
> > > > the information.
>
> > > > --mike- Hide quoted text -
>
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[RBW] Re: Custom Stem

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I was JUST looking at that on the flickr. Very nice.

On Feb 15, 10:30 am, William  wrote:
> That is gorgeous.  Have you tried threading a bar through there yet?
> I love wide clamps, but sometimes you have a hard time getting bars
> through them.  I'd hate to think of that beauty being spread to get a
> bend through.
>
> Does the knurled top cap do something?  I've seen Herse builds where
> that is a light switch.  Did he make the top cap?  Or is that a
> standard part?
>
> On Feb 15, 10:21 am, Marty  wrote:
>
> > My buddy/builder in Baltimore is at it again. He did a nice fork for
> > me a while back, and I was thinking about a stem for a future build.
> > He beat me to it. This one is almost too nice for words!
>
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/bishopbikes/5447914251/in/set-7215762593...
>
> > Way to go Chris!

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[RBW] Re: SoCal Riv Ride - Feb 12 in SD

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The GPS route was done by Dustin.

Also, now that I'm an expert on San Diego, the Trolley goes to La
Mesa, sorta' near where we started:  http://tinyurl.com/4tloq5b If you
don't have a car, you could ride that out to the start.

Also-also, don't forget the SD Custom Bike Show starting the 8th.
http://www.sandiegocustombicycleshow.com/ Hopefully some folks will be
going out to that.

On Feb 15, 11:38 am, John Speare  wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 7:18 AM, Michael_S  wrote:
> > April will be warmer and depending on the weather maybe too hot.  The
> > 3rd dirt section was the best in my opinion. I was too busy trying to
> > hang on to Dustin on that section so I didn't take many pictures.  I
> > think those sections would be best with a 35mm cross tire or a Hetre.
> > Of course the final road sections were perfect for the Jack Browns.
>
> > ~Mike
>
> > On Feb 15, 4:47 am, jim phillips  wrote:
> >> Beautiful terrain and beautiful bikes!!
>
> >> JimP
>
> >> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 20:33:10 -0800
> >> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: SoCal Riv Ride - Feb 12 in SD
> >> From: cyclotour...@gmail.com
> >> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>
> >> Hi John, it's a great route I would encourage you to take. Just be aware 
> >> of the singletrack you're going to need to take at mile 20.6.  It's not 
> >> marked at all, so you have to be on the look out for it.  That's where the 
> >> hike-a-bike section begins.  That's just for ~half a mile though.  
> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/5441062476/
>
> >> On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 8:08 PM, doug peterson  wrote:
>
> >> John:
>
> >> That would be it.  Mile 29.4 is where David, Jenny & I bailed out.  We
> >> took the left while the rest of the group continued on the route.  You
> >> can see how that connects to the outbound route around 15.  We then
> >> headed back up course & made a left at the intersection that's 12.7
> >> outbound & 44.7 returning. We got a total of 42 for the shorter
> >> version.
>
> >> Carry plenty of food & water.  Take a look at the posted photos.  We
> >> had some high quality hike-a-bike sections.  Caution:  Hills may be
> >> steeper than they apperar in photos!  Great ride.
>
> >> When do you plan to be in San Diego?  I'm a bit north, Orange County,
> >> but get down there often.  Maybe we could do this ride; I'm curious
> >> about the part I missed.
>
> >> dougP
>
> >> On Feb 14, 7:47 pm, John Speare  wrote:
>
> Guys,
>
> Thanks for the info!
>
> David: do you have a GPS track? I dig hike-a-bike sections, so I"m
> excited that this ride popped up.
>
> Doug, I'd love company and meeting a local person who knows the area.
>
> I'll ride this on either April 6th or April 7th. Leaving from some
> hotel in Old Town.
>
> I'd likley leave at around 6AM ish or so... to try and beat the heat.
>
> I have a coupled RB-T with 32mm
> pasalas...(http://cyclingspokane.blogspot.com/2010/02/coupled.html)
> hopefully that will do the trick.
>
> If anyone else is potentially interested in joining me, email me
> offline and I'll send an email.
>
> Best, John
>
> --
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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Bombadil for the trails?

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This is a great option!  An AHH and a Bomb would make a great 1-2
punch, with less duplication than a Bomb/Atlantis combo. Whichever two
you end up with, having a single wheel size is pretty nice.

On Aug 26, 7:34 am, William  wrote:
> Since we're back to the practicality of wheelsharing, and since the
> original poster is on the smaller side of medium frame sizes, I'll
> vote for a 650B A. Homer Hilsen as a road and light tourer and a 650B
> Bombadil as a heavy tourer and trail bike.  There's nothing a bike can
> do that you couldn't do with that pair.  The Atlantis/Hunqa combo
> would be kind of medium/medium.  I'm sure the Atlantis is terrific,
> and is probably the best 'one-bike-stable' of all time, but I think
> the Hilsen/Bomba combo would cover a wider swath of the big tent of
> cycling.
>
> On Aug 26, 6:33 am, Ginz  wrote:
>
> > With regard to the Hunq'a vs. Bombadil question:
>
> > I would be inclined to stick with the 26" wheels of the Hunq'a so that
> > wheels can be shared with the Atlantis.  You'll also save a few bucks
> > in exchange for the extra fanciness of the Bombadil.
>
> > On Aug 26, 9:27 am, Ginz  wrote:
>
> > > I am doing nealy the same thing!
>
> > > I had a custom built last year that functions as my "Atlantis" set up
> > > with 26" x 1.75" tires, Albatross bars with Silver bar ends, fenders,
> > > lights and baggage.  This one functions as my daily ride, commuter,
> > > light tourer and all-day, long-ride bike.
>
> > > I then ordered a Hunqapillar which will be setup with 26 x 2.3" Big
> > > Apples, thumb shifters and Nitto Bullmoose.  This will be my light
> > > trail bike and cruiser.  When needed, I'll swap the handlebars and
> > > make it my loaded tourer.
>
> > > After ten years of riding as an adult and trying many different bikes,
> > > I finally realized that I will be happy with two similar frames with
> > > completely different setups.  I looked so long for frames that fit me
> > > well and were comfortable.  So, don't be afraid to stay with what
> > > works even it if is a bit redundant.  Yes, one Atlantis could do all
> > > of those things, but you'll spend your Friday nights swapping
> > > handlebars, racks and pedals. :)
>
> > > Ginz
>
> > > On Aug 25, 5:30 pm, RJM  wrote:
>
> > > > Thanks for all the suggestions.
>
> > > > I was thinking two bikes because one would have drop bars, barcons and
> > > > front and rear pannier racks and the other bike, the "trail worthy
> > > > bike," would have bullmoose bars and paul's thumbies with a small
> > > > front and rear rack.  I could probably do with one bike though, maybe
> > > > with an albatross bar set up and just swap rack setups or wheelsets.
> > > > It's definately a good idea.
>
> > > > I guess one question would be, Would the Atlantis be the better choice
> > > > or would the Hunqapillar/Bombadil be the better all around bike?  I do
> > > > like the look of the Atlantis frameset, but wonder if a slightly
> > > > sloping top-tube would be beneficial with my short PBH.- Hide quoted 
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[RBW] Re: Drop Bars vs. Non-drops

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Kevin, this is pretty much one of those things that you just have to
do and find out for yourself.  Every type of handlebar has positives
and negatives associated with it.  If you do get some A-bars, I would
recommend getting the steel ones and the long & tall Technomic (non-
dlx) stem. Those two make a wonderful combination IMHO.  Wrap the
forward curves with some extra cloth tape to have a nice extra aero
position to use on the straights.

If it doesn't work out, you can re-sell them quite easily here on the
RBW list.  :-)

David

On Aug 27, 7:59 am, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> I use Albatross bars for touring and am very happy with them.
>
> Drops are very popular among the U.S. touring crowd.  European, South
> American and Asian cycle tourists are far more likely to use swept
> back bars (many of which are similar but inferior to Albatross) and
> even straight bars for touring.
>
> It really is a personal choice.  However, Albatross bars can and do
> make a wonderful touring choice for many.
>
> On Aug 27, 5:43 am, kevin lindsey  wrote:
>
> > Greetings.
> > I'm doing a rebuild and am considering switching from drop bars to
> > something like the albatross or the dove bars, mostly for aesthetic
> > reasons.  I use the bike (a 1973 Schwinn World Voyageur, not a
> > Rivendell) for longish fun rides, errands, and general purpose
> > riding.  Question I have for the group is whether there are ever times
> > when you wished you had drop bars instead of non-drops.  In other
> > words, are there clear advantages of one over the other?
> > I like drops, but find that I almost never move my hands from the
> > upper part of the bar, making me wonder whether I'd miss them very
> > much if I switched.
> > Thanks,
> > Kevin

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[RBW] Re: Metric century is in the can!

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http://www.santaanarivertrail.com/SART-about.php

I drove and parked at Angelus Oaks.  There's a reasonable little loop
out from there about 15 miles from mi casa.
Pulling 80lbs of kid and drag-a-bike is an interesting experience...
There are some real great trails in the area though.  Dustin rides a
more extensive part of it now and then.


On Aug 30, 10:14 am, doug peterson  wrote:
> From the dam at Big Bear Lake, the watercourse of the Santa Ana River
> is right at 100 miles to the Pacific Ocean, with roughly 6,000' of
> elevation loss.  Should be an easy centry, no?
>
> Nice pics, David.  I've noticed the trails up there & noodled it out
> on a map once but never given it a go.  I see the trail bike attached;
> did you & Jake get dropped off & ride home?
>
> dougP
>
> On Aug 29, 6:51 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
>
> > The Santa Ana River Trail is wonderful.  One of the hidden gems of SoCal.
> > Hopefully someday it will be 100 miles stretching to the mountains.  Right
> > now it's about 30ish non-stop, which is nothing to complain about!
>
> > I was up at the top end of it 
> > today:http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4939559369/
>
> > On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Seth Vidal  wrote:
> > > On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 9:40 PM, cyclotourist 
> > > wrote:
> > > > I'm still trying to work up to that level.  Regular old ordinary is 
> > > > about
> > > 30
> > > > miles right now, with 60ish being a bit of a push... :-)
>
> > > David,
> > >  i'm right there with you. When I go out on a weekend it's normally
> > > 30-40miles and then home for a bit.
>
> > > I do wish NC had more trails so that I could not have to think about cars.
>
> > > -sv
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[RBW] Re: Hunqaposter!

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Those must be early Ergon grips.

On Aug 30, 4:43 pm, William  wrote:
> The Hunqaposter is Hunq-larious, in my opinion.  Primal caveman with
> stone helmet hiding from three wooly mammoths, but he's got his
> wristwatch!
>
> http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/356/original_hunqaposter.jpg

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[RBW] Re: SAM OR BLERIOT

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Sams also have kickstand plates which are fantastic little devices.

http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/gallery/?album=7&gallery=66


On Sep 2, 11:28 am, Michael_S  wrote:
> I think the difference between the two bikes is use. The Sam can
> handle wider tires and uses Canti's ( most of them) which means it can
> do more rough duty than the Bleriot. If you do more dirt riding or
> fully loaded touring the Sam is a better pick.
>
> ~Mike~
>
> On Sep 2, 11:05 am, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>
> > I love my Bleriot.  I also prefer a straight tt.  I wouldn't turn down
> > a Sam and I may buy one someday but I would pick a Bleriot in a fist
> > fight.
>
> > On Sep 2, 1:47 pm, William  wrote:
>
> > > Better or not is an impossible question to answer.  What sizes are you
> > > talking about?
>
> > > Bleriots not being available makes them somewhat more desirable, I
> > > think.  You'll be able to sell yours wrong sized one quite easily
> > > because of it (even on this board), and if you are getting a good
> > > price on the other one, that's pretty fortunate for you.  Sams are
> > > current, and will probably remain so for quite some time, so your
> > > chance to get one is not likely going to go away.
>
> > > On Sep 2, 10:21 am, Doug Ford  wrote:
>
> > > > I've got a Bleriot I love, but it doesn't fit; have the chance to buy a 
> > > > new
> > > > Bleriot frameset that does.
> > > > Is a Sam H better than a Bleriot ? Or not. 90% of my transportation is 
> > > > by
> > > > bike: commuting (all weather);shopping, sometimes heavy; light touring.
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Doug- Hide quoted text -
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[RBW] Re: Hillborne + SRAM Apex

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eBryan:  As always, looks like a great build!

On Sep 3, 8:27 am, "Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles"
 wrote:
> Just in case you were wondering about the destiny of the Orange
> HIllbornes framesets we compared the other day, the single top-tuber
> is now done:
>
> http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/gallery/rb-gallery-1/
>
> Ron wanted to try out the new SRAM Apex group for his almost-daily
> bike path ride.  He'll add fenders and his own Brooks saddle soon.
>
> And yes, ATMO the Apex group is as good as the Shimano 105.
>
> Bryan

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[RBW] Re: Help me choose a Rivendell

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I'd say Roadeo.  You have the other end and middle of the spectrum
covered. Rambouillet and Roadeos have almost exact same geometry, I
think the Roadeo has a 1cm longer chainstay, that's it.

On Sep 7, 2:28 pm, Johnny Alien  wrote:
> I love my Bleriot and would like another Rivendell so I am in the
> process of saving up right now but would like to know which one I
> should aim for.  My Bleriot covers my "all around" bike for trails and
> general riding.  I don't do alot of touring and don't really plan to
> so I don't need anything heavy duty but if I did I have a Bridgestone
> MB-2.  Next year I plan on doing more century and half century rides
> and possibly some club rides so what I would like is something that
> can go pretty fast but is comfortable for long rides. I was thinking
> of going for a Rodeo but am unsure how the geometry would work on long
> rides.  My other choices would be a Hillborne set up with some light
> weight components (I do like orange bikes) or possibly finding a used
> Ramboillet in my size.
>
> Thoughts?

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[RBW] Re: D2R2

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A ride for a country bike if there ever was one!

Was it as hot this year as last?  I remember reading about the heat
last year, and it sounded oppressive!

On Sep 13, 8:20 am, Michael_S  wrote:
> that is one awesome ride!  I gotta put that on my list. perfect ride
> for a fat tired Rivendell.
>
> ~Mike~
>
> On Sep 13, 7:08 am, Patrick in VT  wrote:
>
> > thought some folks on this list might enjoy some pics from the
> > Deerfield Dirt Road Randonee (aka D2R2) in Western, MA this year.
>
> > Lots of Rivs.  didn't get pics of all of them, but there was a custom,
> > at least 2 salukis, at least 2 AHHs, at least 3 Atlantises and at
> > least 3 Bleriots.  In addition to the Riv turnout, there was lots of
> > lugged steel to ogle, including two of J.P. Weigle's bicycles and
> > other top notch New England framebuilders.
>
> > The bikes, the ride itself, the people and the cause (Franklin Land
> > Trust) make D2R2 a special event.  I know it's a haul for some
> > folks . . . but if anyone is planning a little New England cycling
> > getaway, try to incorporate this ride.
>
> > Cheers,
>
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/22267...@n02/sets/72157624784408522/

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[RBW] Re: Help me choose a Rivendell

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The dimensions of the two bikes are nearly identical, and I believe
the larger sizes (>56) use the same diameter tubing (8-5-8).
There might be a small bit of extra clearance for fenders on the
Roadeo, but I believe that's about it.  So you're talking ounces at
most.  Grab the Ram, an established classic, and put your savings into
light wheels, ti saddle, etc and don't look back!

On Sep 22, 5:17 pm, doug peterson  wrote:
> Johnny:
>
> There was a thread here about a year ago entitled "is the Ram the
> perfect Riv?" or something similar.  It was long and quite detailed
> and worth digging up.
>
> I ride an Atlantis so I'm the last guy to ask about weight,
> performance, etc.  But to your question about the Roadeo being
> significantly lighter than a Ram, if you were a true weight weenie,
> you wouldn't be looking at either.
>
> dougP
>
> On Sep 22, 5:02 pm, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>
> > Bumping an older thread.
>
> > Say that I found a really nice condition used Rambo in my size.  Say
> > it's a great price and from a very nice dealer.
>
> > Is it worth the extra cash and time to go with the Roadeo. Is it
> > really a ton lighter and will that matter.
>
> > The Rambouillet would be run with light components (DT shifters,
> > compact double crank, etc.)

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[RBW] was: Rodeo 650B? --> now: flickr blocked

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Does anyone know a work-around for flickr?

My employer blocks it due to the potential to see naughty bits, so I
can't see 650b conversions and what not.

Gracias

On Sep 30, 7:44 am, rperks  wrote:
> I would likely guess that I am not the first one to fit the 650b wheel
> into every bike in the garage the first time you get on home and set
> up.  I was putting together a 650b conversion for the wife's bike and
> thought I would grab a few dimensions on all other potential
> conversion bikes in the stable while was at it.
>
> The Roadeo was one of my more interesting canidates.  The wheel was
> built up with Dyad rims and col de la vie tires that hit the calipers
> around 37.5mm or so.  you can see a few pics of the front here:
>
> http://flic.kr/p/8Ff5uMhttp://flic.kr/p/8FieHJhttp://flic.kr/p/8Ff3Zg
>
> The clearance is tight, 4mm or so, but it fit.  Brake reach would be
> in the 75mm range.  The rear was similar.  I would put this in the
> possible but why bother catagory.  The gain over the Jack Browns while
> significant is not that big, and the fender clearance while huge in
> the verticle would still be very tight in the width department.
>
> Now the pile of old Trek frames and even the Eisentraut maybe, but
> those are discussions for another forum.
>
> Rob

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[RBW] Re: was: Rodeo 650B? --> now: flickr blocked

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SUCCESS!!!  This is awesome.  Work blocked flickr about a year ago
and I've been bitter ever since.

THANKS!!!

On Sep 30, 10:16 am, Jude  wrote:
> Maybe this will work for you 
> ...http://www.tothepc.com/archives/open-blocked-flickr-photos-by-changin...
>
> On Sep 30, 11:54 am, "cyclotour...@gmail.com" 
> wrote:
>
> > Does anyone know a work-around for flickr?
>
> > My employer blocks it due to the potential to see naughty bits, so I
> > can't see 650b conversions and what not.
>
> > Gracias
>
> > On Sep 30, 7:44 am, rperks  wrote:
>
> > > I would likely guess that I am not the first one to fit the 650b wheel
> > > into every bike in the garage the first time you get on home and set
> > > up.  I was putting together a 650b conversion for the wife's bike and
> > > thought I would grab a few dimensions on all other potential
> > > conversion bikes in the stable while was at it.
>
> > > The Roadeo was one of my more interesting canidates.  The wheel was
> > > built up with Dyad rims and col de la vie tires that hit the calipers
> > > around 37.5mm or so.  you can see a few pics of the front here:
>
> > >http://flic.kr/p/8Ff5uMhttp://flic.kr/p/8FieHJhttp://flic.kr/p/8Ff3Zg
>
> > > The clearance is tight, 4mm or so, but it fit.  Brake reach would be
> > > in the 75mm range.  The rear was similar.  I would put this in the
> > > possible but why bother catagory.  The gain over the Jack Browns while
> > > significant is not that big, and the fender clearance while huge in
> > > the verticle would still be very tight in the width department.
>
> > > Now the pile of old Trek frames and even the Eisentraut maybe, but
> > > those are discussions for another forum.
>
> > > Rob

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[RBW] Re: Waterford Riv Road on the Bay

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I have fenders.  They keep the dust down :-)  Dust-guards?

On Oct 5, 7:36 am, Michael_S  wrote:
> Sprinkled???  in "northern" Socal we had a full-on downpour.  I might
> have to buy some fenders!
>
> ~Mike~
>
> On Oct 4, 11:59 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
>
> > Hey, it sprinkled this morning... we have *weather *in SoCal!
>
> > On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:41 PM, rcnute  wrote:
> > > You need that one for your rain bike.
>
> > > Ryan
>
> > > On Oct 4, 9:21 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
> > > > Not mine, no connection:  *http://tinyurl.com/2c39d28*
>
> > > > Would make a nice "go fast."
>
> > > > --
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > David
> > > > Redlands, CA
>
> > > > *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would
> > > > probably benefit more from
> > > > improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS
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[RBW] Re: Waterford Riv Road on the Bay

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I was only forwarding the info, so couldn't say for sure.  :-)

On Oct 5, 9:18 am, bingomck  wrote:
> Any idea what the standover would be on that with 33.33s on it?
>
> On Oct 4, 9:21 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
>
> > Not mine, no connection:  *http://tinyurl.com/2c39d28*
>
> > Would make a nice "go fast."
>
> > --
> > Cheers,
> > David
> > Redlands, CA
>
> > *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would
> > probably benefit more from
> > improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS

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[RBW] Re: Waterford Riv Road on the Bay

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I like it even more now!

$1200 with wheelset and shipping seems like a real good price.


On Oct 5, 1:15 pm, Patrick in VT  wrote:
> On Oct 5, 12:21 am, cyclotourist  wrote:
>
> > Not mine, no connection:  *http://tinyurl.com/2c39d28*
>
> > Would make a nice "go fast"
>
> that's my buddy's old bike.   it was nice.  i kind of miss it seeing
> it. some pics here ...
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/22267...@n02/4613120667http://www.flickr.com/photos/22267...@n02/4613736978http://www.flickr.com/photos/22267...@n02/4491185039/

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