textiles? On Feb 25, 12:13 pm, Michael_S <mikeybi...@rocketmail.com> wrote: > Dang, Bill you are driving me down the road to ruin. All this talk > about Hetres being faster/smoother/better is making me want a 650B > bike even more. > After convincing my SO that I was not fickle and I could keep a bike > for at least a few years, I'm seriously contemplating some 650B > experiments of my own. (Must be that Engineer/Scientist brain > phenomenon). > > At least you didn't mention the T word! > > ~Mike > > On Feb 25, 12:02 pm, Michael_S <mikeybi...@rocketmail.com> wrote: > > > On my own I don't care how fast I go. My goal is to enjoy the > > outdoors, exercise my body or to get somewhere. When I ride with > > others I want to go fast enough to stay with the group, or perhaps > > meet some time limit in an organized ride. > > And I still enjoy pushing my body and going fast, sometimes (actually > > most of the time) > > It also means I can cover a greater distance and see more. > > > I don't see those as bad things. Each person has their own personal > > goals and preferences. If I'm happy with mine than it doesn't matter > > what others think > > > ~Mike > > > On Feb 25, 11:34 am, Peter Pesce <petepe...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Very cool idea to have one bike that works for both sizes, and a > > > stroke of minor genius to think of up-sizing the 650B bike, rather > > > than down-sizing a 700. I was hoping I could convert my Sam to 650B, > > > just to see what all the fuss is about, but it only took a few > > > measurements to see that it wouldn't really work. > > > > I am curious to see your test results, but can't see how they'd be in > > > any way meaningful - jut too many variables. > > > > I can see how speed matters on a brevet, and to some degree on commute > > > (especially a 35-miler) but I, too, keep coming back to Grant's > > > question (paraphrased): "If we all like riding so much, why are we > > > always in such a hurry to get it over with as fast as possible?" > > > > On Feb 25, 1:04 pm, William <tapebu...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > OK so I made a sort of self-indulgent mod to my A. Homer Hilsen. I > > > > set up the normally 650B bike with a 700C wheelset and short reach > > > > brakes. It's a wheelset I already had, and a short-reach brakeset I > > > > already had. So now I have a single bike that can easily be taken on > > > > a ride with 650Bx(whatever) tires one day, and taken on the same ride > > > > with 700x(23-28) tires the next, or whatever. > > > > > I bought the bike because of the feel of 650B, and I'm thrilled with > > > > it. Like most of you, I've been skeptical of the claims from Jan H > > > > and others that fat tires are faster. That said, on brevets in the > > > > last couple of months, I've been surprised at how quickly I catch and > > > > pass riders on coasting descents when I'm on 650x38 at 50psi and they > > > > are on 700x23 and I presume 90-110psi. That's anecdotal, and doesn't > > > > necessarily mean anything, but it was surprising. > > > > > So, now I think it will be fun to do a pseudo-scientific spot > > > > comparison between 650B and 700C. My commute to work is a 35-mile > > > > hilly ride through the east bay hills from El Cerrito to South > > > > Hayward. A good chunk of that is a non-stop stretch. I can usually > > > > get from my front door to a traffic signal in front of Castro Valley > > > > High School without stopping or putting my foot down. The next 10 > > > > times I do this commute, I'm going to alternate between the two > > > > wheelsets, and record my time for the same non-stop stretch for these > > > > ten rides. The 650B tires will be hetres at 50/45psi, and the 700C > > > > tires will be continental gatorskin 28s at 85/80psi. > > > > > Anyone care to guess which will seem faster? Too close to call? > > > > Impossible to test unless the rider is blind to the wheel > > > > configuration? Any advice on keeping the data clean?- Hide quoted text > > > > - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -
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