[RBW] Re: Question for Cheviot Owners

[KC]

I love my 50 cm Cheviot (2015). My first good bike and it changed riding 
for me. I may be considering selling because my husband will likely be 
getting a Clem L or Platypus and I will need to be able ride the same 
terrain as him so I may want bigger tires. 
  

On Friday, March 8, 2024 at 6:53:30 AM UTC-8 elizabeth...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> I'm a proud Cheviot owner -- it was my first Riv, actually, purchased in 
> 2020 from the fine folks at Maine Bike Works -- and can say with confidence 
> that I will never part with it. : ) My guess is I'm not alone! 
>
>
>
> On Friday, March 8, 2024 at 7:56:19 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> My completely wild guess with no facts to back it up - when has this ever 
>> stopped me?! - is low volume. The timeline you describe is pre-pandemic 
>> boom and, I think, pre-the more widely held acceptance of low stepover 
>> frames as a thing dudes ride. Now there's Clem Ls and Platys as far as the 
>> eye can see - we don't even have the Clem H anymore - because Riv hit their 
>> bike boom and everybody rides low step! 
>>
>> *obligatory shots of my low step custom and step-through Clem
>>
>> [image: Screenshot_20240308_045503.jpg][image: 
>> Screenshot_20240308_045342.jpg]
>>
>> On Friday, March 8, 2024 at 4:35:13 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Recently a James on this List wanted a 60 cm Cheviot. Pam (who always 
>>> wants everyone to find their Rivendell and get riding) asked me to help 
>>> find one. I knew it would be difficult, and while I didn’t find him one, 
>>> Kim found him TWO, and in James’ preferred color. Happy ending. 
>>>
>>> Anyway, it seems to me (I might be wrong) that Cheviots are rarely for 
>>> sale. I think they were made from 2014-2019, so they did have a good run. 
>>> Is it that their owners keep them? Or are there really just so few? Maybe 
>>> more of them belong to women, and maybe women don’t sell bikes as often as 
>>> men do? 
>>>
>>> Why is it so hard to find a Cheviot on the used market? This is what I 
>>> want to know.
>>>
>>> Leah
>>>
>>

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[RBW] WTB Brake Levers

[KC]

Due to some stupid mix-up I have only 1 brake lever for my bike so I need 
to get a new set and that's not easy right now. I am hoping someone has 
some they will part with. Bike is a 50cm Cheviot with Tektro R559 Brakes. 
Anyone have anything that will work for me? Thanks.

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Re: [RBW] Stolen 50cm Betty Foy

[KC]

Pease post a picture or description for any details. We're out and about in 
North County (and sometimes South) every day. 

On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 5:22:44 AM UTC-7 Bill Schairer wrote:

> What color?  Picture?  List it on bikeindex.org.  Believe it or not, I 
> did recover a frame by doing that.
>
> Bill 
> San Diego
>
> On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 8:17:33 PM UTC-7 Robert Tilley wrote:
>
>> Sorry to hear that! Where did this happen in San Diego? I’ll keep an eye 
>> out.
>>
>> Robert Tilley
>> San Diego, CA
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 2, 2021, at 10:10 AM, Amy DeVaudreuil  
>> wrote:
>>
>> My beautiful Betty Foy bicycle was stolen from my garage last night. I 
>> am filing a police report and monitoring local (San Diego) craigslist and 
>> Offer Up, but in case anyone sees a 50cm Betty Foy for sale somewhere, 
>> please let me know so I can track down if it's my bike.
>>
>>
>> Thank you!
>> Amy DeVaudreuil
>> amydeva...@gmail.com
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[RBW] Re: Spring in CA

[KC]

What an inspiration.  Thank you so much for sharing.  

On Tuesday, May 24, 2016 at 7:07:17 PM UTC-7, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>
> Howdy folks,
>
> Here are photos  of a trip 
> this past Spring inspired and aided by many of you. Thanks to all who 
> helped me put these routes together. 
>
> Best,
> Daniel
> Northeast Kingdom, VT
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[RBW] Re: BBH Closing?

[KC]

If I hadn't happened to walk by BBH after dinner when we randomly stayed in 
Walnut Creek on the way home from visiting our son in the Bay Area, I 
probably wouldn't have my Cheviot.  Actually if Grant hadn't been there, 
introduced himself and suggested a stop at HQ the next day to look at 
bikes, I probably wouldn't have my Cheviot.  That would be pretty sad for 
me.  I guess I was very lucky.  

>
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[RBW] Re: Laid off and in a Quandary

[KC]

Obviously you and your family are the only ones that know how tight things 
will be for you.  And what sacrifices everyone has to make - because you 
won't enjoy the bike if everyone else is doing without things they want.  
But if there is enough money for everyone to have a little something 
special while they deny themselves a lot of other things for a while, then 
it is nice to give yourself a little gift to soften the blow.  

In addition to more Clems coming in later, I will bet that a few months 
down the road we'll see the occasional post from someone that has decided 
they need to sell their Clem and you will have the opportunity to purchase 
an almost new one for a little less money when you are in a better position 
to evaluate how much of an impact it will have on the budget.  

I am very sorry you were laid off.  It is terrible to feel that things 
aren't on your terms.  But I also know there is a real good chance that a 
year or so from now you will experience a wonderful sense of freedom that 
you are on a new and better path.  



On Monday, October 5, 2015 at 9:28:19 AM UTC-7, Wayne Naha wrote:

> Well, a little over a week ago I was laid off from my job, after five and 
> a half years.  The falling price of oil has had a sharply negative effect 
> in my industry.  There are other jobs in my field, but that would require a 
> major relocation.  My wife and I are tired of this, as it would be the 
> third such move in a little over a decade.  We are planning to relocate to 
> a plot of family land in the middle of BFE Michigan, and start a farm.  Its 
> a scary and exciting prospect.  My quandary is that I have a Clem on the 
> way, and it isn't paid for yet.  That is, Riv has their money but my credit 
> card has a big hole in it!  I have a good introductory deal:  No interest 
> for 15 months.  The Clem is the only purchase on the card.  So I figured 
> that it would be easy.  But now, of course, I feel differently.  Riv will 
> certainly cancel my sale, and someone else will certainly snap up the bike. 
>  But I can't let it go just yet.  It feels very selfish of me to want to 
> keep the bike, and I am trying to come up with ways to justify it's 
> existence in my life.  They ring hollow and I know it's just because the 
> bike has been this goal I've worked toward, and in some weird way, feel 
> I've earned.  Still, I might feel less stressed if I did just let it go. 
>  That money will find plenty of other uses.  Anyhow, I don't expect the 
> list to have any magic cures, but I just needed to rant.  Thanks for 
> listening.
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Force Field Fatty Rumpkins

[KC]

I think I sent you a private message.  If you didn't get it, can you please 
reply to me off list so I can.  Apparently I'm a little challenged today.


On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 8:46:29 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Up for sale is a pair of used Force Field Fatty Rumpkin tires.  650B x 
> 41.  I was holding onto these for a 52 Clem next summer, but now I'm 
> thinking 55 Joe Appaloosa.  They are wire bead, so I strongly prefer to 
> sell local in the bay area.  These were on my Bombadil, which got moved to 
> fund a contemporary mountain bike.  I'm thinking 200-300 miles on them.
>
> $60 free pickup
> $72 shipped anywhere else
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/22093058624
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito CA
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[RBW] Re: Clems have shipped!

[KC]

2 lucky lassies.  You can sense their joy in the pictures.  And I applaud 
you for keeping their faces off the internet. 


On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 6:59:06 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:

> Thank you, Leah. Likely not many photos of the lassies, as we keep their 
> faces off the internet. Possibly more of the bikes though.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 6:36:55 PM UTC-7, LeahFoy wrote:
>>
>> How SWEET this is! Do we get to see more pictures of the lassies and 
>> their new bikes? Lovely!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell sightings

[KC]

Aw, I was hoping to see my orange Cheviot included in the sightings. Had a 
great ride Saturday from the Richmond Bay area to Berkeley for lunch, then 
around the Bay Trail. Such a beautiful day. We don't get to have rides like 
that without generally starting off with a car trip, so really enjoy it. 

Driving south now and sad to be leaving, but thx to a list member i have a set 
of rock n roads to test out now so have to think about where to go on them. 

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[RBW] Re: Guess which one is mine...

[KC]

Easy.  Yours is the beautiful bike.  My husband and I are usually passed by 
racers, head down, as we also meander along enjoying the scenery.  
Sometimes he speeds up to show them he can keep up (probably really can't 
for too long, though, but who cares).  The only time I see bikes like mine 
are when I'm with my family. But.
when I rolled my bike into a bike shop in Oceanside to buy a part, the guy 
who helped me was thrilled to see his first Rivendell and spent a half hour 
talking bikes and bringing his bike out to show us, and
when I watched over my bike waiting for lunch in the seaport village area 
of San Diego someone walked up and asked if he could take a picture of my 
bike cuz he rarely sees Rivendells where he lives 

We have a relative planning to buy a bike.  Pretty sure leaning towards a 
(used) carbon road bike.  I think that would be consistent with what he 
sees around him (besides the beach cruisers).  We asked him how he likes to 
ride and every answer he gave said he should have something riv-like.  He 
is a very value-oriented, long-term-thinking, careful purchaser (buys good 
high-end cars, used).  I made him borrow my copy of Just Ride and hope it 
helps him make a decision that works for him. 

On Saturday, November 14, 2015 at 8:10:08 PM UTC-8, Surlyprof wrote:

>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/129545862@N03/22633062849/in/dateposted-public/
>
> This image struck me the other day as I was about to get off the train 
> from my evening commute.  Every bike (aside from mine) was black with one 
> dark blue exception.  There is the occasional steel bike but it's mostly a 
> sea of carbon and aluminum.  Sam tends to stand out (proudly I might add). 
>  I do receive the occasional, "Nice bike" or "That's in great shape for 
> such an old bike" but mostly no one appears interested.  It's mostly a 
> crabon-riding, MAMIL crowd.  I am not the least bit self-conscious about 
> this because I know that, upon exiting the train, I will end my day with a 
> delightful meander down the Alameda water channel to the wife and dogs in 
> our little bungalow in Niles.  It's always such a great way to wind down at 
> the end of even the most stressful workday.  I always end up happy by the 
> time I arrive home.
>
> Anyone else deal with this sort of fish out of water situation with their 
> Riv or is it just me and my commute?  Just curious.
> John
>

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[RBW] Re: FS 54 Hunqapillar

[KC]

I agree with them.  Babies don't have to cost that much.  They use 
everything for such a short time that it is usually easy to get the 
essential barely used for next to nothing or passed around among friends.  
And once you see how happy they are with cardboard boxes and kitchen 
utensils, you see you don't have to buy a lot of toys either.  Your bike, 
on the other hand, is a 30-year bike and that cost very little when 
amortized.  Best to just make sure your wife also has a nice bike so you 
can look forward to family outings before you know it.  And since you will 
need to keep your sanity as you enjoy every stage they go through, a bike 
can be a very handy outlet.  

My congratulations too.  Your life will never be the same and in only in 
the best way.
 

On Saturday, November 14, 2015 at 8:33:40 AM UTC-8, Miles wrote:

> I have recently found out that we have our first child on the way and in 
> preparation, this beautiful bike will be sold. Interested parties please 
> reply privately and I will offer details and we can discuss the price.

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[RBW] Re: Clem for my husband

[KC]

He's my husband's size. 52, not 59.  I believe a few bikes went to shops. I 
would call Vince and ask if he knows of any 52s. If you ride togetherit is so 
important you both have great bikes. It makes such a difference. My husband 
rides twice as far now as he did before. Much nicer for both of us. I see lots 
of good used bikes come up FS here in their size.

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[RBW] Re: Clem for my husband

[KC]

He's my husband's size. 52, not 59.  I believe a few bikes went to shops. I 
would call Vince and ask if he knows of any 52s. If you ride togetherit is so 
important you both have great bikes. It makes such a difference. My husband 
rides twice as far now as he did before. Much nicer for both of us. I see lots 
of good used bikes come up FS here in their size.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem for my husband

[KC]

I am so happy for *you.*  He will now share your affliction and it will be 
wonderful.  May as well order the wald basket right now if you really want 
him to be able to carry the basketball.  
I would like to warn you not to let your husband ever meet or engage with 
Bill Lindsay as he then might get totally out of control.  
(My husband had absolutely no need for a new bike while I unflinchingly 
moved forward with my Cheviot I knew I had to have.  So I had him ride my 
daughter-in-laws Romulus and he immediately understood why he too needed a 
bike change)


On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 4:37:34 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:

> It wasn't the extra wobble in his ride, or the inexplicably crooked 
> handlebars, neither the SNAP that came from merely shifting gears, nor the 
> new creaking noises with every pedal stroke. Rather, it was his friend 
> getting a new Specialized mountain bike that whet my husband's appetite for 
> an upgraded bike. We all rode to church together on Sunday and his buddy 
> said, "Here, try mine! I'll ride yours." Said friend looked like a circus 
> bear wobbling around, gears popping on that  half-decade-oldTarget bike. No 
> longer able to deny its state of disrepair, my husband gave in, and after 
> church the three of us started talking bikes. 
>
> Immediately I thought of the Clem. Immediately he thought of Specialized. 
> The friend looked on with interest. 
>
> I measured his PBH, which he couldn't decide was a violation of some kind 
> or great fun. I waxed about all things steel. I droned on about long chain 
> stays. I decried fat frame tubes and lack of braze-ons. I flattered. I came 
> very close to nagging. How can you spend $600 on a bike when $900 more 
> would get you a magical, Elven-made steel treasure from Rivendell? I put 
> him on my bike and made him circle the block. "Boy, you're right; that does 
> ride nice. Can we get a bike that looks like the Specialized and rides like 
> the Rivendell?" *Eyeroll.* 
>
> There was but one green 52 Clem at Rivendell. "But I don't like green. I 
> just don't like green. It's a deal breaker. Did you see the color of the 
> Specialized? I like that color." Flat gray and lime green, you guys. 
> *Another eyeroll.* I had to tell Will we'd pass, which made me sad, but I 
> decided to give John a call at Rivelo. He had 2 blue Clems in my husband's 
> size left!
>
> Well, my husband's name is on a "French blue" 52 Clem out of Oregon's 
> Rivelo! I never thought this day would come. It almost didn't come - only 
> hours ago, he called and said, "I think me having this bike would just put 
> you over the moon. So I don't care if it's not exactly my style, you call 
> and get it." Listen, people, I don't need to be told twice. Within minutes 
> John and I were friends and exchanging info. I added a Pletscher rack, 
> which will delight my husband when he sees it will hold a basketball. It's 
> his new bike, but I feel like I received the gift somehow. He's a CEO who 
> wears suits, drives a luxury car, is a lover of all things new and modern, 
> and never has a spare moment; I'm a stay at home mom who wears skinny jeans 
> and boots, yearns for simpler times, and prefers to "bike there." He bikes 
> to be with the boys and me. And I'm wearing him down, you see. Just the 
> other day he submitted to a flannel shirt!
>
> And today he has a Rivendell. 
>
> Life is good.
>
> Happy Thanksgiving and Merry Christmas,
> Leah
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Winter Project: Another 650B conversion, thanks in part to you

[KC]

Here's a listing I spotted on Craigslist for a Prologue 
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/bik/5326703220.html 
I asked seller the size - "not sure, but he is 5' 7"


On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 6:46:56 AM UTC-8, El Sapo wrote:

> If you appreciate lugged or steel bikes, 1988 -89 is probably the end of 
> the era for Schwinn and the other industry leaders. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike(s) for sale. 2 Rivendells plus 2 Rivendell wanna-be's

[KC]

made me laugh.  Soul searching is important.  

On Monday, December 21, 2015 at 3:39:31 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> New Update.  After some soulsearching I've decided I'm going to hold on to 
> the Atlantis and the Hillborne at least until long after I get the 
> Appaloosa.  Thank you to those that reached out for the 'lantis in 
> particular.  I just can't let it go.  That build is too perfect for me.  I 
> just reconfigured the drivetrain for some serious load carrying.  I think 
> 2016 might be a serious short-scale touring year for me.  I hope those of 
> you who expressed interest will find one.  
>
> Bill bait-and-switch Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 16, 2015 at 10:24:58 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Update:
>>
>> I've received multiple notes on the Atlantis.  I think it's fair to 
>> predict that one of these will pan out.  The Hillborne has gotten one solid 
>> (and local) inquiry, but I would not mind hearing from others who want to 
>> have "next shot" at it.  The Gunnar and Paramountain are still available.
>>
>> Chris, Yes, I think in sum-total this will be a big WIN for my family.  
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 16, 2015 at 9:18:51 PM UTC-8, Chris Chen wrote:
>>>
>>> Sorry to hear about the crunch but it sounds like things'll be better 
>>> all around!
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Ryan Ray  wrote:
>>>
 I love your preemptive bike money scheming. Very well done.

 - Ryan




 On Wednesday, December 16, 2015 at 10:24:40 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay 
 wrote:
>
> My wife is getting laid off.  In the grand scheme of things, I think 
> that's a very good thing, because I think her part time job combined with 
> all the other things in her life was running her ragged.  I think this 
> will 
> force her to slow down and enjoy herself a little bit more.  Financially, 
> we'll be totally fine.  
>
> ButI anticipate her new incomeless situation will bring on an 
> inevitable bout of frugality.  That is bound to bring back to her 
> attention 
> my ample stable of bikes.  Add to that my forthcoming Appaloosa, and it 
> just doesn't look that good.  So, I'd like to put out a feeler, as they 
> say 
> for the bikes that can be liberated from my stable.  If there's something 
> I 
> have that you've been eagerly waiting to acquire, perhaps we can make 
> something happen.  
>
> 1.  58cm Atlantis:  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157649658062495
>
> I was sitting around waiting for this to come available, and it did, 
> and I jumped on it.  I bought this frameset from the list for $1000 and I 
> went to pick it up.  Frame+fork+headset.  I anticipate that the Appaloosa 
> can become my touring bike, and I want to give that a good long try.  So, 
> this Atlantis is available.  I offer the frameset for what I paid: $1000 
> picked up.  I'm willing to discuss a complete bike.  The album above has 
> a 
> lot of photos.  The current state of the build is slightly more evolved, 
> but most folks will want to gobble up the frameset and be done with it, 
> so 
> I'll just start it there.  
>
> 2.  56cm Single TT Canti-Hillborne:  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157641634237375
>
> My first Rivendell.  I bought it from Riv in 2009 for $1050 + tax.  I 
> rode it for a while and bought a few more Rivendells.  I sold it to a 
> friend of a friend when I was scraping together dollars for a move.  $750 
> for Frame + Fork + headset.  A couple years later that friend of a friend 
> still hadn't built it, so I bought it back for $750.  Now you can buy the 
> frame + fork + headset for $750 picked up.  We can discuss complete bike 
> and shipping options.  It's built up now very svelte and sporty with 
> Barlow 
> Pass EL tires on it.  
>
> 3.  58cm Gunnar Quickbeam lookalike:  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157642798847383
>
> I also picked this up off the list, while keeping my eyes open for a 
> 58cm Quickbeam.  It's a Waterford made custom Gunnar, made to replicate a 
> quickbeam.  It has Tektro 559 caliper brakes, like a current Hillborne, 
> and 
> will take 700x38s with fenders like a Hillborne will.  I have it 
> currently 
> set up as a two speed, which the pictures try to demonstrate.  I'm 
> willing 
> to entertain frameset or complete bike requests.  Frame+fork+headset $800 
> picked up.  
>
> 4.  56cm Schwinn Paramountain Clem lookalike:  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157641291971794
>
> My Clemish Mountain bike build may also be made redundant by the 
> Appaloosa.  I kind of want to keep this because I'll still ride this bike 
> when my son and I do an S24O.  Just the rack,

[RBW] Re: I bought a Clem!

[KC]

I love the green.  It is my favorite of the colors. Congratulations on what 
I think was an excellent decision.  
(I have absolutely NO justification to buy a clementine, but I still really 
want one.  They are so much fun)  

>
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[RBW] Re: The newest BLUG

[KC]

I am very proud to be a riv rider.  Grant cares and no matter how he puts 
that into action it makes a positive difference.  Bless his heart for 
wanting to maximize what he's doing, but he is doing something.  

Here is how the daughter of one of my best friends throughout my school 
years is trying to help my friend's sister and husband.  
https://www.gofundme.com/rchrdky4(My friend has also spent years trying 
to help out; her daughter is just trying to take the bull by the horns now)

Maybe even more OT in an OT topic, but we had better figure out how to do a 
better job as a society / community because I see a huge problem coming our 
way as my generation (the boomers) all retire on their underwhelming 
savings.  We are currently experiencing the lack of support available for 
my 94-year old mother-in-law.  No cost of living adjustment in social 
security this year.  In fact a decrease in income because she is losing a 
benefit.  Unfortunately, the facility she is in raised their price by over 
10%.  So much for no cost of living increase.  Her family will make sure 
she is ok, but I recognize that isn't something that is there for 
everyone.  I can only imagine what it will be like for a lot of people in 
20 years or so if we don't collectively get our act together to find/fund 
some solutions.

And, yes, as Deacon Patrick says, but for the grace of god this could be 
any of us.


On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 at 8:18:28 PM UTC-8, Justin August wrote:

> No sale. No new models. A whole lot of tears from me reading it. 
>
> Actions like what Grant described are why I'm proud to ride a Riv and why 
> I'll never not have one from here on out. I can't imagine many businesses 
> doing something like this. 
>
> Good Job Grant, way to set an example and have more empathy than business 
> sense. 
>
> -Justin
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Betty's an eBike Now

[KC]

Joe, you have obviously converted several bikes to ebikes.  Looks like we 
may be moving to a hilly area that may warrant conversions to get us 
through a few areas.  Not sure if I would convert my Cheviot or Soma Groove 
(assume it can be converted and then I wouldn't be messing with my 
favorite).  Can you help with input on the process and determining if a 
bike is good candidate?  Please feel free to respond off the list if more 
appropriate.
thx

On Friday, May 11, 2018 at 1:36:47 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Putting this here 'cause this is the unofficial Riv e-mixte thread. Took 
> the eChev fireroading, observe dirt!
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/bzGK46mLEYzeDXwb2
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[RBW] Put an e-bike kit on my Cheviot

[KC]

Very scary thing I just did. A major dilemma - make it so my "perfect" bike 
could get up the hill out of my driveway so I could ride it everywhere or 
risk ruining the ride on my perfect bike, not to mention making it a little 
heavier to lift for the bike rack.  But we had to do something so we took 
the leap.  

We had a shop in Pacific Beach (San Diego area) install the mid-drive kits 
purchased from Luna Cycles. Took our first ride Wednesday and went up the 
hill like it wasn't there. We set it up for maximum 20 speed and did not 
put the throttle on, so just using the pedal assist. It took a few minutes 
for me to get used to the feel of the pedal assist and how to shift now 
using a combination of the gears and the assist. I thought the ride was 
"different" but very good, a slightly different version of biking. Chuck 
thinks I over-analyze and is just extremely happy with his new set-up on 
his Space Horse. 

I turned the system off completely after our first stop out of the 
neighborhood and left it off until close to home again.  Went up a hill I 
am used to without any assist and it didn't feel much different, maybe a 
little more effort required due to the added weight. That made me very 
happy because I want to be able to ride "normally" as much as possible. I 
had to give up my rear rack space for the battery. Maybe that wouldn't be 
the case for a larger Cheviot - could it be installed where the bottle cage 
goes? Chuck only had to give up 1 bottle cage spot. Since I will just 
"borrow" one of Dave Carroll's pannier sets (he'll never notice), I will be 
just fine.

Joe Bernard expressed concerns about the brakes on the Cheviot relative to 
adding the kit. I understand what he is saying because it is a powerful 
machine. But I am a slow, conservative, rider so I think I am ok. 

Part of my agonizing was not knowing how much power I needed to add to the 
bike to accomplish what I needed. I now know I probably have twice as much 
as I need. Guess I'll be ready for anything. When Keven spec'd my bike he 
said I would be able to go up a tree trunk. He was wrong, but now I think I 
can.  And, very important, my bike is still beautiful. 

One added note. In my research leading up to the decision, I spent some 
time thinking about battery fires and made sure it doesn't affect my 
homeowner's insurance. My agent assured me it doesn't. BUT I did discover 
that once you electrify a bike, it is a motorized vehicle and not covered 
under your homeowner's policy. So not only does it not cover a loss to the 
bike, but you are not covered for liability if you hurt someone while you 
are riding it. I didn't want that added risk so I purchased liability 
insurance for $108 each a year. To avoid the very high cost of coverage for 
loss to the bike itself, I declared the value at $500, matching the policy 
deductible. 

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[RBW] Dustin Harbin's Teeth and Face

[KC]

I will be happy to donate, but mad as heck that it is even needed. It is bad 
enough to have the bad fortune to have an accident. Our ability to get good 
care and not be dragged down by it forever should be a given. 

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[RBW] wtb trailer in San Francisco area

[KC]

My daughter-in-law has asked for help with this.  I will forward any 
responses to her so she can contact you directly.  They are in the Berkeley 
area.  Here's her request

In search of a bike trailer (with stroller conversion option) that seats 2 
kids.  Not picket about brand.  Please include model and year.



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[RBW] Sunset in Morro Bay

[KC]

For several reasons, I hadn't ridden this bike for about 2 months.  Got to 
go to Morro Bay and really realized how much I enjoy riding it.  
Unfortunately we waited until our last night there to do this, but had so 
much fun.

sunset ride on the beach 

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 45cm Clementine Frameset

[KC]

I'd ask her if you haven't.  My choice would be the black frame. (Just in case 
my husband wants to buy me one, haha)

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[RBW] Re: FS Brooks saddle, Acorn bag, Tubus rack, King cages, Sackville, Zefal frame pump, R&M Generator light handlebar mount

[KC]

I think I just sent you a private message.  Please let me know if I didn't 
as I am interested in items.


On Sunday, March 27, 2016 at 9:39:11 PM UTC-7, Bruce Smitham wrote:

> Here are some more items for sale:
>
> Brooks B17 saddle black in great condition. Some scratches or paint 
> missing on the black rails $85 plus shipping
> Acorn handlebar bag in olive. Very good condition and recently purchased 
> from Drew in SF but sold the bike it was going on. $30 plus shipping
> Tubus Cargo Evo rear rack (black) in good condition. There are some 
> scratches as documented in the pictures. $60 plus shipping
> 2 King cages Stainless Steel in great condition $12 each plus shipping or 
> 2 for $24 and shipping included
> Sackville Saddlesack XS in olive and great condition $50 plus shipping
> Zefal HPX No. 4frame pump. Fits gaps 50cm-56cm. Purchased from Riv and in 
> great condition $30 plus shipping.
> R&M Generator light handlebar mount. (Fits 22.2-26.0mm bars) in excellent 
> condition. Includes hardware, instructions and rubber shims $15 shipped
>
> Pictures here: https://flic.kr/s/aHskxeCGA1
>
> All shipping CONUS only.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bruce in San Diego
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 56 cm Glorius, periwinkle

[KC]

This is the (very) bike that got me back to riding when she was gracious enough 
to let me ride it around Morro Bay one day. I love that bike. I am almost 5'3" 
75pbh and can ride it with the seat all the way down (my cheviot is 50cm). I 
wouldn't buy that size for myself, but I dont think i would have to be much 
taller for it to work.

Someone is going to get a very nice bike. 

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[RBW] Got my new Cheviot

[KC]

This may not make it up because I am a new member and my first posting from 
over a week ago hasn't shown up.  I just want to share with everyone that I 
got my Cheviot 2 days ago and I love it..  Went on a long ride yesterday 
(with my husband riding his "new" Space Horse thanks to this group) and had 
so much fun.  Should've bought a good bike years ago.

It is beautiful.  Only problem is I refused to leave it outside and my 
husband is not really pleased with it in the motor home.  But my son 
understood completely.  He bought a used Cross Check last week and has it 
in the house because he just loves looking at it (and he has several Rivs 
out in the garage so it shouldn't be quite as special an experience for 
him).

I just don't have any good bicycle knowledge, although I've really been 
studying up and know 100 times more than I did 4 months ago.  So it was a 
little scary for me buying this bike, but I couldn't shake the way the 
Rivendell philosophy spoke to me and I daughter-in-law graciously let me 
ride her too-big-for-me Glorius enough that it helped.  I had to really 
rely on Keven.  He patiently answered all my questions, but really I had to 
just rely on him and I would say the bike is spot-on for me.  Did I mention 
it is beautiful, - in a very rugged, sporty way.  I agonized over orange 
because I loved my daughter-in-law's blue bikes, but the orange with the 
blue highlights is just perfect.  

As I said, I don't really know bikes but it was like a feast just looking 
at the beautiful bikes in their shop Monday.  The Clems and Clementines are 
there with beautiful paint jobs.  The curves on the Clementine are so 
nice.  Makes me want to buy one even though that would be the most 
ridiculous thing I could do.  It is a sickness.  We'll be dropping by again 
to pick up a few things - if there is a specific photo someone would like, 
I'm sure they wouldn't mind if we took it.  Let me know.

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[RBW] Re: Got my new Cheviot

[KC]

Thank you so much for asking for pictures.  Most of my pictures aren't the 
best now that I look at them, taken to send my son detail photos, so I'm 
just showing 2 views that I took yesterday while my husband was in the 
store getting dinner supplies. (The metal chair in the background is NOT 
attached to the bike in spite of how it looks, just poor planning for the 
photo)

I loved my daughter-in-law's lugs so much and was a little bummed mine 
wouldn't be as pretty, but I should have paid more attention because I have 
beautiful blue hearts in my lugs and the nicest headbadge (not that that's 
what it is all about because I have had 2 great bike rides so far - and 
since I picked it up late Monday, I have only really owned it 2 days so 
far.).  I bought blue bar tape to probably wrap the handlebars, but for now 
am just using it in strategic locations, like under the bell and mirror 
mounts so as not to scratch up anything while I'm playing around with 
positions.  My son gave me the pannier for my birthday present so I wanted 
to show him how nicely they fit on the rack (had to go back to RBW to get 
help putting on the non-intuitive-for me-after-all rack).  Everything brand 
new except the transferred seat.

I had never dreamed I would buy a Riv but accidentally came across the 
retail shop last Oct and accepted Grant's invitation to test ride the 
following day.  Got to ride a Cheviot a little bit and from that point on 
it was really just a matter of when, not if.  I spent a ton of time trying 
to come up with other possible solutions, but this was the right one.  If 
you see someone on a shiny new beautiful orange bike riding around the Bay 
Area in the next few weeks with a great big smile on her face, ring your 
bell at me to say hi!



On Thursday, March 19, 2015 at 9:03:12 AM UTC-7, John wrote:

> Congratulations!  But where are the photos?  
>
> You gotta share some photos of your new Cheviot!
>
> John
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[RBW] Re: Got my new Cheviot

[KC]

And orange is fun. I won't keep doing this (too much), but here's yesterday 
afternoon's (better) pictures. And at the end of the day, my husband asked 
if I thought there was room for 2 bikes inside the motorhome.  Of course, 
there is and so nice to see them there ready for the day.



On Thursday, March 19, 2015 at 5:48:14 PM UTC-7, RoadieRyan wrote:

> Orange is the fastest color - gorgeous bike
>
> On Thursday, March 19, 2015 at 8:22:38 AM UTC-7, KC wrote:
>>
>> This may not make it up because I am a new member and my first posting 
>> from over a week ago hasn't shown up.  I just want to share with everyone 
>> that I got my Cheviot 2 days ago and I love it..  Went on a long ride 
>> yesterday (with my husband riding his "new" Space Horse thanks to this 
>> group) and had so much fun.  Should've bought a good bike years ago.
>>
>> It is beautiful.  Only problem is I refused to leave it outside and my 
>> husband is not really pleased with it in the motor home.  But my son 
>> understood completely.  He bought a used Cross Check last week and has it 
>> in the house because he just loves looking at it (and he has several Rivs 
>> out in the garage so it shouldn't be quite as special an experience for 
>> him).
>>
>> I just don't have any good bicycle knowledge, although I've really been 
>> studying up and know 100 times more than I did 4 months ago.  So it was a 
>> little scary for me buying this bike, but I couldn't shake the way the 
>> Rivendell philosophy spoke to me and I daughter-in-law graciously let me 
>> ride her too-big-for-me Glorius enough that it helped.  I had to really 
>> rely on Keven.  He patiently answered all my questions, but really I had to 
>> just rely on him and I would say the bike is spot-on for me.  Did I mention 
>> it is beautiful, - in a very rugged, sporty way.  I agonized over orange 
>> because I loved my daughter-in-law's blue bikes, but the orange with the 
>> blue highlights is just perfect.  
>>
>> As I said, I don't really know bikes but it was like a feast just looking 
>> at the beautiful bikes in their shop Monday.  The Clems and Clementines are 
>> there with beautiful paint jobs.  The curves on the Clementine are so 
>> nice.  Makes me want to buy one even though that would be the most 
>> ridiculous thing I could do.  It is a sickness.  We'll be dropping by again 
>> to pick up a few things - if there is a specific photo someone would like, 
>> I'm sure they wouldn't mind if we took it.  Let me know.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Got my new Cheviot

[KC]

Kellie, not sure if you saw my message.  We're from socal and vacationing here 
in bay area waiting for new granddaughter.  Kids live in Marina Bay complex. 
You will likely find us on the trail today pulling 2 year old in trailer.  

Any suggestions for nice rides in the area are appreciated. Preference for out 
of traffic. Helping with grandson but not tied down so anywhere in general 
area, incl wine country works.

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[RBW] Family member thinking about a 52 Clementine

[KC]

I just rode the smallest  (swear they said 50, but looks like 45 per blug and 
makes more sense to me - easy to confirm with them, it was the teal prototype) 
around the parking lot and it felt great after they moved the seat way down for 
me. Fit very nicely.  I'm 5'3" and ride a 50 cheviot.  Don't know if that 
helps, but it was a fun ride (Albatross bars). 

All the colors are very nice, but i really like the blue clem smith jr.  They 
all have a really nice rbw detailing where the stem attaches to the frame,nice 
touch

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[RBW] Re: I test rode the Clem

[KC]

May i suggest "sassy"? Seems to speak of the pure fun these will be. Great fun 
to have an excuse to buy clementines and months to think how to build them up 

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot Flikr Group

[KC]

Great idea.  I've added a couple of my pictures to the group.  Still loving 
it.  Still hovering waiting for a new granddaughter, moved on a bit and had 
a great ride to dinner last night in one of our favorite towns.

On Tuesday, March 24, 2015 at 5:17:27 PM UTC-7, Kellie wrote:
>
> I added a group for Rivendell Cheviot owners to add photos of their bikes. 
> I invite all to contribute.
>

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[RBW] Re: Got my new Cheviot

[KC]

Not sure I'm happy with my standard build tires. I am not looking for extreme 
speed by any means, but don't want to be lagging behind.  50cm cheviot 650b 42. 
I may be predisposed to not love the tires it came with cuz my son said they 
are slow/heavy. suggestions from this group? 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Got my new Cheviot

[KC]

I like the concept of the 42's.  My limited research (that is googling) led 
me to believe the Hetres would be a good choice.  While they are more 
expensive, it is important to keep in mind I just "justified"  a Rivendell 
(even though not the most expensive choice, it was a lot more than I ever 
thought I'd spend for a bike).  I'm old enough that I get to say, quite 
frequently it seems, "I only have so many years left..."  Works out pretty 
good, especially when added to the fact that I'm sorta on vacation right 
now and in my family, when you go on vacation, you get to justify a lot.  
So I want to make sure I am getting to know the Cheviot under good 
conditions.  

If no one has a reason I shouldn't give the Hetres a try, that is what I 
will probably do (and be sure to take along something to fix a tire with).  
I am interested in hearing if anyone thinks that is a bad choice. I don't 
mind spending the money on them, just don't want to do it over and over, 
since I only have one bike to use the tires on. 

<https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-8KqJGoZXBy0/VRi5MAHbmvI/AQg/ZngKmuGtgUw/s1600/not-the-joe-rodota%2Btrail.jpg>


I don't go out of my way to ride gravel, but I seem to end up on at least 
some gravel everywhere I go.  But only "some".  Like today, we headed off 
to take the Joe Rodota trail from Santa Rosa to Sebastapol and somehow made 
a wrong turn right away and ended up on a different trail that turned out 
to be wonderful (photo above) and we thought a much nicer ride than the Joe 
Rodota trail (which we managed to take for the return trip).  And since we 
didn't know we were on the wrong trail, when we got to the end of trail 
sign we kept going because there was still a trail and we obviously weren't 
where we were headed yet.  And at that point, the trail because a pretty 
gravel-heavy trail.  We finally got to downtown Sebastapol and even met up 
with someone on the way that did it on purpose.  Chuck and I both agreed it 
was a great day and very fortunate we took the wrong trail.  So I want to 
be able to ride easily and deal with whatever comes up (without getting off 
to walk too often).  And no sense in me having bullet-proof tires is the 
others in my group don't.

DougP - I appreciate your input, just figured I'd better defend my son 
quickly before he saw the post! I really appreciate all his input (and will 
review the tire decision with him before doing anything).  The pannier on 
my bike was my birthday gift from his family and I'm loving it.

Kellie - I will be back in your area tomorrow morning for a few hours.  Is 
there a bike shop in the area that would likely stock any of the tires I 
would consider?  I'm getting such a great opportunity to ride different 
places while we're here that I'd love to make the swap sooner rather than 
later to maximize my fun.  


On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 4:47:33 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

> Kellie: the magic ingredient that allows one much of the best worlds of 
> light, supple tires and freedom from punctures is Stan's or (I hear it's 
> even better) Orange Seal. Stan's has let me use otherwise hopelessly 
> puncture prone Schwalbe Furious Freds and Challenge Parigi Roubaix in 
> goathead land where I'd get a thorn flat literally every couple of miles.
>
> I'm with you; I can't stand stiff, sluggish tires; I'd rather fix flats. 
> But modern sealants have squared the otherwise impossible circle.
>
> On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Kellie  > wrote:
>
>> Tires do change easily but they can also be an expensive experiment. I'd 
>> give the Tour Rides a little more time and get really familiar with your 
>> Cheviot. I also had the Tour Rides on my Hillborne. I didn't like them; 
>> they felt "stiff." That's when I switched to the GB Cypress, which are 
>> supple and buttery smooth. Some complain of flats with them but I haven't 
>> had a one for over a year. Even rode a 50 mile day on some light gravel 
>> with them. They're now planned to reside on my new to me Saluki I'm 
>> building. The Cypress' also started on my Cheviot, but then I wanted more 
>> tread and thicker tires for grip/comfort on the dirt trails.
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 2:46:57 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> Tires change easily. Try the tires you want to try and see if you get 
>>> faster and/or have more flats.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 3:25:00 PM UTC-6, KC wrote:
>>>>
>>>> My son is a member of this group, rides several rivs and is the reason 
>>>> i have the cheviot with 650b 4

Re: [RBW] How was your weekend ride?

[KC]

Great a idea for a thread to share the joy.
On Saturday we rode our bikes from the KOA park in Petaluma to downtown 
(apparently 3.9 miles) and then found our way to the Petaluma Marsh Trail 
(I think Shollenberger Park, about 2.2 miles) for a nice chance to watch 
kayakers on the river and beautiful birds.  Then back to Petaluma for great 
Thai lunch and then back to KOA.  A "full" day by the time we got done.

On Sunday, we drove to Santa Rosa and left the car at Olive Park to ride 
the Joe Rodota trail to Sebastapol (I expected about 4 miles).  We 
immediately took a wrong turn and ended up riding the Prince Memorial 
Greenway Trail.  Rode it a little past the "end trail" sign where it 
became gravel, then dirt, then ? and decided to go back to the trail end 
and check the GPS.  It showed we had ridden about 4 miles and were 4 miles 
from Sebastapol.  VERY happy we took the wrong turn as it ended up being a 
really beautiful ride and gave us the opportunity to compare. So then on to 
Sebastapol to enjoy a nice cup of coffee and make sure we knew how to get 
on the Joe Rodota trail to ride back.  Trail was very nice, but neither of 
us thought nearly as pretty as the Prince Memorial Greenway.  Sure makes 
you want to live in Sebastapol and work in Santa Rosa, or the other way 
around, so you would have to ride that commute every day.  Even better, not 
work and just ride.

Pictures:
Saturday 

Sunday 






On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 7:16:19 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

> Aside: while working on Sat, visited by a roadie on a carbon fiber 
> Cannondale, usual kit, bar 3" below saddle (he'd raised it); man shuffled 
> in to shoot the breeze. 
>
> *The roadie is 83 years old* His age alone makes him 
> "bobbish/Rivendellish", bike and kit be damned.
>
> A youngster came by just before closing to pick up his ... *Original 
> condition, original owner, 1959 Bianchi, toute beausage, cottered cranks, 
> 47/50 X 14-24, Grand Sport derailleurs,* bought by owner during a cycling 
> trip to Italy in 1961 or so. He had another one, 1961, with cotterless 
> cranks and original edition Record and Cycle Art paint, in his car. He's 
> going to ride Eroica on the '59. Bike was shod with Velocity V rims and 23 
> mm Paselas; I tried to argue that he install something like Parigi Roubaix 
> -- bike can clear 35s at least -- but he stubbornly said they were too wide 
> to look "authentic" -- my  brother had brought the P-R wheelset to Stevie's 
> to borrow the lockring tool and chain whip. This young man used to ride 
> with Jobst Brandt's cycling club.
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 7:54 AM, Patrick Moore  > wrote:
>
>> Just 16.6 miles on Saturday, rt to Stevie's Happy Bikes in Corrales, NM 
>> where I filled in for Steve who is on vacation. Downhill, with headwind out 
>> of the eastish on the way in; uphill, stronger headwind out of the west, on 
>> the way back. Stubbornly refused to put it into the 19; walked the steepest 
>> parts instead. Glad to get back to a couple of beers, takeout from 
>> Stevie's, a fringe benefit.
>>
>> Didn't ride Sunday; felt tired and decided to take a nap instead.
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 9:07 PM, JohnS > 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Trying to instigate a discussion on everyone's weekend ride. I'll start. 
>>> My wife and I got out for a short ride of about 7 miles on Saturday
>>> . It was the first ride of the season for Suzanne so we didn't plan to 
>>> go to far. The cold stiff wind and and overcast sky didn't help either. We 
>>> have to start training for the NYC 5 Boro tour on May 3rd. We'll be 
>>> doing that with your 12 year old son and a friend of ours. My son will be 
>>> riding our '80's Rodriguez tandem with me. Next year he'll be able to ride 
>>> on his own.
>>>
>>> On Sunday I got out by myself for a 35 mile. The wind wasn't nearly as 
>>> bad and the sun was shining which helped a lot. I was using the low gear 
>>> for about 10% of the ride, more than I'll think I'll be using later in the 
>>> season. It did get me up all but one really tough hill so it definitely is 
>>> helping. I was pretty tired till I got home. The picture shows my small 
>>> Sackville sack in the Wald basket. All my gear was in there. The bike is 
>>> leaning against an old corn crib, shed. You may also notice the shoots near 
>>> the front wheel, signs of spring. Thank goodness! We're experiencing a 
>>> prolonged winter here in PA.
>>>
>>> How was your ride?
>>> JohnS
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Got my new Cheviot

[KC]

Next challenge.  I can't ride without a mirror. In fact i used 2 bar end 
mirrors on my old bike - i have a condition that results in less peripheral 
vision (minimized eye movement) so it really helps me keep track.  

New bike has bar end shifters that I'm really enjoying.  I added one German 
mirror from riv cuz i didn't see a better option based on my googles and bike 
shop forays.  It's ok, but the distortion is so different. I am used to a much 
truer perspective.  

i really prefer not using a helmet mount. Has anyone seen a good handle bar 
option?It also seems like i should be able to create a mount that would let 
me repurpose my bar end mirrors to mount on the handle bar. Has anyone done 
that?  Hard for me to believe someone else hasn't tackled this already.

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot Flikr Group

[KC]

today's ride was a repeat of the other day so no new pics from me. Tomorrow 
will likely be biking somewhere in your area, Kellie, with little one in a 
trailer behind us. Expect to drive to Emeryville to meet Dan to buy tires. So 
within that general area too.

Can you suggest an interesting ride somewhere around there that will keep us 
pretty much off roads and won't kill my husband pulling the trailer?   
Something besides the Bay Trail since we do that often. (Then I'll have some 
more pics to add.)

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot Flikr Group

[KC]

Oh, you’ll get repeats. Trust me. Yesterday didn't seem that interesting and we 
were a little on borrowed time. I can highly recommend riding in to sebastopol 
and enjoying a meal at ultra crepes. So good. You'll see those pics after we 
take the little one back home for a few days of rest (us). 

Thx Dan. Probably will do one of those.  See you later

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Re: [RBW] How was your weekend ride?

[KC]

Forgive me, but my "weekend" started yesterday, Fri (actually we just 
pretty-much retired, so you'll hopefully have to forgive me a lot if I get 
my way).  We had a really nice ride on the bike trail from Sebastopol to 
Forestville. Amazing how beautiful this area is & how nice the bike trails 
are.  If we hadn't started so late, I would have loved including the Santa 
Rosa to Sebastopol section in it for a longer ride, but it is what it is. I 
rode the Hetres and definitely felt the difference.  Next time out I will 
hopefully take time to play with the tire pressure to see what works best 
for me.  I'm still figuring out the whole flickr thing and what privacy 
levels I am comfortable with, so will add a couple pix to the Cheviot group 
and attach a representative one here.  

Hope everyone has a great weekend.  

On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 6:53:09 PM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:

> I rode a 400k that I also organized, with two fellow randonneurs.  There 
> was quite a lot of hill climbing early and once we got in a flatter part of 
> the route, the wind kicked up to a ferocious gale.  Later after dark the 
> wind died down some but even so we did not make it to the penultimate 
> control by midnight so there was nothing open.  It was then I remembered 
> that I stashed a water bottle in my Carradice earlier and was thankful for 
> my foresight, however unintended.  We made it back to the start at 2:46 am 
> for a total time of 20:46.
>
> Here is the route:
> https://ridewithgps.com/routes/7177029
>
> I didn't take any pics but my friend and fellow Rivendell custom owner did 
> so let me see if I can find some of those :)
> On Mar 29, 2015 10:07 PM, "JohnS" > wrote:
>
>> Trying to instigate a discussion on everyone's weekend ride. I'll start. 
>> My wife and I got out for a short ride of about 7 miles on Saturday
>> . It was the first ride of the season for Suzanne so we didn't plan to go 
>> to far. The cold stiff wind and and overcast sky didn't help either. We 
>> have to start training for the NYC 5 Boro tour on May 3rd. We'll be 
>> doing that with your 12 year old son and a friend of ours. My son will be 
>> riding our '80's Rodriguez tandem with me. Next year he'll be able to ride 
>> on his own.
>>
>> On Sunday I got out by myself for a 35 mile. The wind wasn't nearly as 
>> bad and the sun was shining which helped a lot. I was using the low gear 
>> for about 10% of the ride, more than I'll think I'll be using later in the 
>> season. It did get me up all but one really tough hill so it definitely is 
>> helping. I was pretty tired till I got home. The picture shows my small 
>> Sackville sack in the Wald basket. All my gear was in there. The bike is 
>> leaning against an old corn crib, shed. You may also notice the shoots near 
>> the front wheel, signs of spring. Thank goodness! We're experiencing a 
>> prolonged winter here in PA.
>>
>> How was your ride?
>> JohnS
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[RBW] Re: Cheviot Flikr Group

[KC]

Didn't get to take either of the rides Dan & Kellie recommended, but have 
filed them away for first opportunity.  Just added a couple of pics to the 
Cheviot group from yesterday's ride Sebastopol to Forestville so I am 
bumping this up.  Definitely not a long enough ride, but great fun and hard 
to beat starting the trip off with buckwheat crepes.  I transferred my old 
seat to the new bike (it's the only thing not brand new on it so far!).  
When I told Keven I usually had a numbness issue after a ride, he suggested 
a comfort saddle he thought I should consider as "that should not happen".  
Guess what - bike that fits me properly results in no numbness from 
saddle. I just feel like I could ride forever although, to be honest, we 
haven't ridden more than 20 miles in a day probably so who knows.   But I 
think I'm correct and will test it soon as I can.

Really getting to "know" my new bike & am really enjoying it - I think 
Grant should be paying me for PR work.  Thanks to Dan, I now have the 
Hetres on the bike and now have to play with tire pressure.  Of course, I 
cringed yesterday every time I heard something crunch under my tires, but 
never saw glass and no problems.  


On Tuesday, March 24, 2015 at 5:17:27 PM UTC-7, Kellie wrote:

> I added a group for Rivendell Cheviot owners to add photos of their bikes. 
> I invite all to contribute.
>

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[RBW] Re: OC Dirt riding adventure teaser

[KC]

Where is that trail in OC?  

On Saturday, April 11, 2015 at 4:27:52 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:
>
> https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/46035786@N07/17112954092/ 
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Re: [RBW] Re: OC Dirt riding adventure teaser

[KC]

This is (sorta, close enough) our stomping grounds. And, if I'm reading 
correctly, that looks like my kind of riding - avoid cars if possible.   Is 
this an area that would be fine for my hetres, or do i need something more 
flat-resistant? Any caveats? Really appreciate this group, so thx in advance 
for whatever input you have.  

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[RBW] Re: Hanging vs Platform Hitch Bike Carriers

[KC]

This info is very helpful as we will be purchasing a carrier immediately.  
Turns out the fork paint damage on my beautiful new bike was likely caused 
by the current carrier (Yakima hitch-mount swing away).  Although we 
couldn't figure out how it could be happening, the person loading the 
carrier (rude to name him) has been extremely concerned about my bike and 
tried a new position yesterday resulting in nice scrapes on the back side 
of the frame.  Best guess is even though they were loaded at the far ends 
of the 4-bike carrier, my bike was attacked by the other bike's brake 
lever.  I will likely have to take Keven's advice to stop crying and put on 
clear nail polish and then cover with reflective tape.  At this point I 
will be quite nicely reflecting on one side of the bike.  Since I'm hoping 
to not continue the process and the carrier loader is trying to avoid being 
killed, looks like we will probably buy a new carrier immediately.  

It kills me to see my mixtie hanging askew on the hanging racks (and why is 
only my bike getting scratched up?), especially when we add the 2 kiddo's 
bikes into the mix.  I've considered the attachment to create the cross bar 
on my bike, but it seems like an accident waiting to happen. Somehow it 
seems a platform would be more "organized".  We have other hanging carriers 
(quit using them because we replaced with a swing-away to have access to 
the back of the vehicles).  It helped me to see the above comments and 
wanted to see if there are any updates that would be of use to us. After 
reading the above, I think I am right about the platform being maybe a 
little better for the mix of bikes and am a little leery of further 
experimentation with my bike on the hanging carrier.  I don't think we 
could easily handle a roof mount and the roof top is reserved for 
a kayak anyway.. 

We drive a Subaru Outback and Jeep Grand Cherokee, moving the carrier back 
and forth.  If we had a 4-bike carrier on, we probably wouldn't get out of 
our own driveway without scraping so raising the hitch up would probably be 
important.  Most of the time it would be 2 bikes - standard road bike with 
fenders and my Cheviot. But we also need the option to bring along 2 bikes 
for young kids.  I've been looking at the ones for 2 that accommodate an 
add-on for an additional 2.  It would be most useful for it to be 
swing-away so we could easily access everything.  It is important that we 
can secure the bikes well as they could be unattended out of sight 
sometimes (although we are careful about that).  And loading/unloading 
shouldn't be an ordeal so we can it frequently - we have a mix of short (30 
min to 1 hr) drives to start riding and long trips. 

I will look at all the recommendations above, but appreciate any updated 
input.  Thanks.

(I think my optimal solution is a diesel sprinter with 4 captains chairs 
and a fold-down sofa in the rear to seat 3 and sleep 2 as queen size bed, 
with plenty of storage space between sofa & captains chairs for neatly 
organized "equipment", partnered with a 23' toy hauler for more 
accommodations for a longer trip.  I think we could make that work. Makes a 
new carrier look pretty inexpensive, even if unplanned) 


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[RBW] Re: Hanging vs Platform Hitch Bike Carriers

[KC]

Great and appreciated input.  I'll look at that rack.  It sounds like we 
could start off with the capability to carry 2 and then add for 2  more in 
a while so the cost isn't as bad up front.. 
My husband says we have 2" on both - I know we put the heavy duty hitch on 
the Subaru.  Used to tow a good sized boat behind the jeep & I think we 
planned for consistency even though Subaru has limited tow capacity.  It's 
the last think I want to spend the money on but I'm feeling like I may as 
well just be dragging the bike along behind the car the way I'm going now.

Good to know about the ground clearance.  We still might need something to 
raise it up as we start off with a fairly steep driveway that we might not 
get out of.  

Really appreciate the offer to check it out but we are in SoCal.  Spent a 
month up your way and I don't think the (same) rack did any damage the 
entire time it was on the jeep..  I really think the first damage was after 
we returned and used the rack on the Subaru.  Not sure why it would make a 
difference, but.  


On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 11:08:00 AM UTC-7, James P wrote:

> Interesting to see a resurrected thread & also to be able to update from 
> my experience swapping hanging rack to a platform rack.
>
> The hanging rack was reasonably quick to load, but the combination of 
> scratching the frames, and irregular top-tubes made the process a pain and 
> the top-tube converters lowered the bikes that they dragged on the smallest 
> incline (meaning having to move the car, load the bikes... you get the 
> picture)
>
> I thought I'd be smart and last year waited for my REI member 20% off 
> coupon and use it to get a killer deal on the KUAT platform rack - which 
> would have worked except that it ended up being backordered, then delayed 
> for an additional month - and then another. In frustration I contacted KUAT 
> who tole me they had stock and didn't understand why REI couldn't deliver. 
> REI had a different story. After 4 months of waiting I lost patience and 
> bit the bullet on a more expensive, direct from the manufacturer rack from 
> 1UpUSA.
>
> The rack is super easy to load, can be expanded with additional trays (I 
> went with a 1+1) and is extremely well built. It was a really expensive 
> purchase (and one which I wince even now when I think too hard about it), 
> but I am extremely happy with the rack. It is rock-solid and accommodates 
> all the bicycles in the household without protest. I really would recommend 
> you check it out at 1upusa.com 
>
> If you're in/near Riv HQ (Walnut Creek), i'd be happy to let you check it 
> out - drop me a mail off list if you'd like. 
>
> Regards
> Jim
>
> ps. The rack is on a Subaru Outback with a 2" hitch - ground clearance is 
> great.
>

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Re: [RBW] Photos: please consider providing link rather than attachment

[KC]

I think the other issue with attaching large photos is many people are 
getting emails on their phones and have bandwidth limits.  My own is 
unlimited so generally not a problem, but when we were on the road 
March/April my husband and I relied on our phones as hotspots for our 
computers and we are limited with that.  And, unless it has changed, I 
think when I am using the phone as a hotspot the usage on the phone counts 
towards the limit too, not just what I use for my computer.  With email 
syncing all the time on both, I am sometimes unintentionally doubling my 
usage.  

I love seeing the photos in the body because it is more convenient, but 
know it is better for me to wait until I am on an unlimited use connection 
to see it, so a link works better as it gives me control.  The photos I 
take on my phone are pretty high resolution on purpose because my husband's 
hobby is photography and he wants to start with good pics.  I haven't 
figured out yet how to email a pic from my phone in reduced resolution so I 
don't know how to "nicely" add a pic if I'm posting from my phone (I may 
have inadvertently added a high res one before figuring that out - sorry).  
When I've posted from my computer, I started just opening the photo on my 
computer and snipping it to then copy it in.  I think the resulting photo 
is small enough to not cause a problem.

(We started off the trip by sharing the photos we'd each taken during the 
day by emailing them to each other.  It didn't take me long to figure out 
my 3GB monthly hotspot allowance would be eaten up in no time.  One email 
from my phone to my husband (sitting across the room from me) racked up 
usage sending to him and then syncing to my computer to my sent folder and 
then used up the same on his allowance.  Swapping USB drives was a much 
better idea. although not nearly as convenient)  


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[RBW] Next challenge - fenders for Cheviot

[KC]

>
> We have a trip to the pacific northwest planned that I think will call for 
> fenders on my (50) bike.  Does anyone have a suggestion for great fenders 
> to add that will let me have as fat a tire as possible too.  I'm currently 
> using Hetres 42 - I saw online that they may really measure 41 (I suppose I 
> could measure, but figure someone may already have the answers for me) and 
> per the rbw site the max tire size I can fit is 40.  So. hoping 
> somehow the Hetres will actually work with fenders, otherwise looking for 
> recommendation on fenders and complementary tires that I will love - cushy 
> ride without loss of speed (don't want to go back to the Continentals that 
> came with the bike).  Thanks in advance 

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[RBW] Great rides - along the 5 (OR/WA)

[KC]

We are researching rides for upcoming vacation but would appreciate any 
input from people - generally along the 5 from the CA/OR border to Seattle 
area.  

Here's the scenario - 7 people total:  2 grandparents (Cheviot/Space Horse) 
who enjoy riding away from traffic, some hills but not killing themselves 
all day.  2 young parents (likely Glorius/DoubleCross) who can handle 
anything.  Both subsets will get to go off on rides w/o the other (probably 
limited to 4 hrs for the grandparents and 3 hrs for the parents).  

And the rest of the time all 7 will ride together, which means a 7 and 
9-year old riding their own bikes with a third young one pulled in a 
trailer that shouldn't be bumped around a lot.  Have to minimize exposure 
to cars on these rides.  Length of rides will be subject to how the 7 and 
9-year olds handle the day, but can be mitigated if they are planned so 
that if it comes down to it dad can race back to the car alone and then 
come back to get the ones that need to be removed from the road.  Really 
helps if there are interesting stops along the route for kids to do/see 
something besides being on the bike.

Some days we will all ride together.  On some the grandparents may head off 
in the morning and the parents in the afternoon so all the rides don't have 
to be kid-friendly.  Please share any of your great adventures that fit any 
of these scenarios.   


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Re: [RBW] Re: Hanging vs Platform Hitch Bike Carriers

[KC]

oops.  I think I know what I did.  Momentary (I hope) lapse - hopefully 
I've done this OK this time.  





 
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[RBW] Re: SoCal All Rounders OC Back Country Dirt Fest!

[KC]

so jealous!

On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 1:50:29 AM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Just another boring S24o in SoCal Here 
> 
> .
>
> ~Hugh
>   Los Angeles, CA
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[RBW] Re: First trip to riv

[KC]

YES.  They are like what you read about in In Search of Excellence and so 
different from so many companies today.  In spite of the fact that my son & 
d-I-l have several Rivs each, I probably would not have bought one if we 
hadn't randomly wandered past BB&H and recognized the Rivendell name.  
Grant invited us to stop by the next day for a test ride and I just had to 
do it.  While I tested the Cheviot, a woman came in to pick up her Betty 
Foy.  The look of pure joy as she rode it around the parking lot probably 
influenced me as much as anything else.  I wanted to test hills because I 
can't get to the end of my street w/o going up a killer hill.  So Grant 
figured out where we could go to test some hills and rode off with us to 
lead the way so we wouldn't get lost.  How could I not buy a bike from them?

I love what they do and how they do it.  I feel pretty confident they are 
selling quality and doing it at a fair price.  I love the atmosphere, how 
they work together.  And Grant brings lunch in for them several times a 
week from several of the great nearby restaurants. 





On Saturday, June 6, 2015 at 6:37:56 PM UTC-7, Evan E. wrote:

> Yep! Rivendell people are great. I wouldn't be surprised if a business 
> scholar (or business journalist) stopped by to study them and learn how 
> they've created a culture of good folks.
>
> Evan
>
>

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[RBW] Shellac'd bar tape colors for orange Cheviot

[KC]

I went with the blue that matches the lug paint, with clear shellac. Still 
loving my bike. Big plans for some fun rides on it this week. 

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[RBW] Re: First trip to riv

[KC]

Check out their blog and make a contribution to support Ally.  You'll have 
a nice credit in your Riv account to spend on your visit.  Win-win

On Thursday, June 11, 2015 at 3:15:54 AM UTC-7, George Millwood wrote:
>
> Thanks, I'll polish up the credit card
>
> On Thursday, 11 June 2015 13:17:22 UTC+10, dougP wrote:
>>
>> George:
>>
>> Google to see on a map but RBWHQ is at 2040 N. Main St. and BB&H is at 
>> 1061 N. Main St, both in Walnut Creek.  Really close to each other but 
>> entirely different neighborhood vibes.  BB&H is in a retail, small shop 
>> area, while 4 blocks away gets sorta industrial.  You have to hunt for HQ 
>> because it's buried behind IIRC a rental car place or something like that.  
>> It's an easy walk from the Walnut Creek BART station but you have figure it 
>> out.  
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 10, 2015 at 7:29:59 PM UTC-7, George Millwood wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you, this has made my day.  I'm not looking forward to Las Vegas 
>>> so this will be my antidote.  One further question, where is the second 
>>> shop?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> George Millwood
>>>
>>> On Thursday, 11 June 2015 10:23:16 UTC+10, drew wrote:

 yep. 2 shops. go to both, as they have different sorts of things...kinda

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Car Racks & Rivs

[KC]

I started a similar thread about a month ago when we needed to purchase a 
new bike and I wanted a platform as my hanging one seemed to be killing my 
mixte.  We were concerned with both a mixte and fenders.  The 1up was 
highly recommended to me and confirmed that it was fine with fenders Here's 
the comment re that sent to me off-list "I have fenders on my Surly Long 
Haul Trucker and I bought the foam pad thingy 1Up makes for a few extra 
dollars which works very well and doesn’t crush the fender. I did notice 
that on the back fender that the struts (the arms that straddle the wheel) 
actually touch the fender struts which connect it to the back stays - at 
first I was a bit worried about bending them & then I realized that if 
anything, it kept the bike more securely upright in the rack, without me 
needing to “clamp” the fender/wheel as hard, and that it had no ill effects 
on the fender alignment."

I really liked everything I saw about the 1up, but we ended up going with 
the Hollywood Rack instead (also recommended in the thread).  It was about 
half the cost and seemed fine, even if not quite as substantial.  The 
initial install was pretty easy - you have to set the platforms in the 
proper positions for the specific bikes and that takes a couple of 
minutes.  For $350 we got the carrier that works either as a 2-bike carrier 
or adds the extension to make it a 4-bike.  To this point we've only used 
it for the 2 and haven't even attached the extension.  It loads so fast it 
is amazing.  As a non-tall woman I love that I can easily lift my bike 
on/off and that it puts things at eye level.  

The bar is nicely padded and clamps on the top tube of the bike and on my 
mixte it nestles perfectly where it meats the seat tube.  The instructions 
are to place the bikes opposite one another but when we did that, there was 
some slight interference and we put them the same direction instead of 
messing with seats, etc.  And it worked perfectly.  Both are very 
secure.  It is a little concerning that the tires extend through 
the platform so I have visions of crunching my bike if the tires hit on an 
incline.  But it is very clear that the bottom of the carrier will hit 
first since the platforms sit up higher, so I know they are safe.  We are 
able to keep the rack on all the time and tilt it for access to the back of 
the car, not quite as nice as the swing-away hanging rack we had before, 
but not bad.  And it is so easy to unload/load the bikes that even if we 
have to remove them to do something (like pull a kayak off roof), it's not 
a big deal.

We tow our jeep behind an rv with the rack mounted to the jeep.  The 
instructions say not to use it for a tow vehicle or on a trailer, but it 
seems to be just fine and it seems like a standard thing with all the racks 
and we've always done it w/o problems.  So just hoping it is just a 
standard disclaimer which must be related to the added length affecting how 
it handles on an incline but we have to be careful of that already (the 
hitch between the rv and car would likely hit so we'd be forewarned) 

Here's a picture attached) of our 2 bikes on it the first time we used it.  
Not sure it's the greatest picture but could take better on Mon/Tues when 
we load up for our big trip.  We will also probably be putting the added 
attachment on at that time so we have the flexibility to carry other bikes 
with us since it's a group trip.  
  
(We had also considered the Kuat since it seemed great, but never had an 
opportunity to see one and it was very pricey also.  Saw one week before 
last in a parking lot and it is a beautiful, sturdy-looking frame.  Looks 
much more substantial than ours, but we are completely happy with our 
purchase) 

On Saturday, June 13, 2015 at 7:28:40 AM UTC-7, Jon Dukeman in the 
foothills of Colorado wrote:

> The 1UP looks like a nice unit. I watched the video but didn't see them 
> install or remove a bike. I'd like to know if it would work with fenders 
> and or basket.
> I have fork mounts on the front wall of my pick-up bed but the front rack 
> and basket negate using that.
> For now I just lay my bike down in the bed of my pick-up and bungee it and 
> wrap towels around the Brooks and where the handlebars touch the bed.
>
> On Saturday, June 13, 2015 at 7:09:59 AM UTC-6, jinxed wrote:
>
>> Yea, the site is pretty clunky. i also thought they were spendy till I 
>> started looking at the other offerings. For me, it ended up being a wash 
>> because I only needed to carry one bike, but it had to be a tray style. 
>> Every other offering was 2 or more bikes and cost equal or more even with 
>> my shop discount! I actually became aware of them from another parent at my 
>> daughters school. I kept seeing their car with the rack on it, and honestly 
>> thought it was custom made. I finally waited by their car one day to ask 
>> them about it. (Is that creepy?) They were totally happy to chat about it 
>> and gave me a full demo t

[RBW] Where you on River Road Thursday?

[KC]

Is that row river road in cottage grove area? If so, it was my cheviot and i 
wish u had stopped. Stayed at baker bay campground, rode ruth bascom path 
yesterday (how beautiful can a city be?).  Headed off to portland for 4 nites.

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[RBW] Where you on River Road Thursday?

[KC]

I think you are east coast, so probably not. Anyone with any suggestions for 
something great we might not think of on our own to do in Portland, please 
share.

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[RBW] Tues & Wed in Sisters/Bend OR

[KC]

2 days to make the most of this area, hoping to squeeze in a ride and float 
both days. If anyone has any input re best rides, please share. Thx.

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[RBW] Re: ride of remembrance

[KC]

Great way to honor him. Great way to start my day in tears. Thank you for 
sharing.

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[RBW] Re: Nervous about my first Riv: Ordered a Cheviot today!

[KC]

Mine has been having great fun in oregon for the last month and will be 
spending next week in the bay area.  I was at riv end of day yesterday and saw 
a beautiful large orange one being assembled but guessing it wasn't yours. It 
had fenders - they wouldn't put fenders on to ship, would they?

Very happy for you. Lots of fun ahead

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[RBW] Re: Nervous about my first Riv: Ordered a Cheviot today!

[KC]

Mine has been having great fun in oregon for the last month and will be 
spending next week in the bay area.  I was at riv end of day yesterday and saw 
a beautiful large orange one being assembled but guessing it wasn't yours. It 
had fenders - they wouldn't put fenders on to ship, would they?

Very happy for you. Lots of fun ahead

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[RBW] Re: 1980s Jamis Dakota: $120 with Bullmoose and nice ST ratchet thumbshifters

[KC]

a little off topic (sorry) but I am looking for something like this that 
would fit me (just under 5'3").  There are a lot of rugged trails where I 
live and I recently tried to ride one on my Cheviot with 42" hetres.  
Thought I was going to die.  My husband did much better on a mountain bike 
set up with proper tires (and shocks).  If anyone spots a good deal on 
something like this to bring to my attention that would be great.  It's a 
test for me so I don't want to spend a lot of money.  I'm in Inland Empire, 
frequently in Orange County and headed to Oceanside (so San Diego area) for 
a stay in a couple of weeks.  Any of these area are perfect.  Thanks for 
any input.


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[RBW] Re: Going carless?

[KC]

These bikes look so cool and I am jealous of anyone that can go carless.  I 
dream of a day when a car is a rarity for me.  But right now we live in (a 
beautiful wonderful small) community where you pretty much have to drive 
about 25 miles, starting through a mountain pass, to get anywhere.  And I 
know I am lying to myself a little here.  We can't dump the car, but we 
could ride bike daily to the store to pick up groceries.  Sure, the 
groceries cost more, but that's the price of good entertainment, right?  
 AND that's great justification for adding racks and nice bags to my bike 
because then I will truly need them. I will start making that a priority, 
at least until the weather makes it not a good idea for me.  And if I make 
it until the weather turns, maybe I'll figure that one out a little better 
but for now me on icy hilly roads don't seem like a good idea.   

Of course, what struck me immediately in Patrick's posting was "think how 
many cool bikes they could have if they would both go carless"  I realize 
that may not be practical, just like it isn't for me right now.  But I'll 
bet Patrick's daughter will follow in his footsteps and look at her car 
some day and think "how can I get rid of this?" 



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[RBW] Re: Tire Giveaway for shipping cost

[KC]

So no 650B after all? If so, I would definitely be interested.  We are 
really exploring our options on our bikes as we finally have time to do 
this. And my Cheviot is 650B.  But if nothing for me, then I would love to 
take advantage for my husband or "surprise" my son, assuming he doesn't 
read this post.  700 works fine for them - maybe the ricorso?  We ride a 
variety of surfaces so I would say "pick something that would be a great 
opportunity for a trial".  If the tire doesn't turn out to be great for 
them, I'll pass them along in the group at the same offer.



On Saturday, August 22, 2015 at 7:22:25 AM UTC-7, Joel Stern wrote:

> Here is what I have 
>
> 1 ricorso 700x38.  These have wear on what was the back tire, I must have 
> liked them. 
>
> Michelin. Axial sport I think 700x28.  Look new.  2sets 
>
> Avocet fans grip. Slick. 700x32 
>

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[RBW] Re: black cork grips - to shellack or not

[KC]

I shellacked my cork grips after googling enough to make me feel it was 
ok.  The look is nice cut I am not happy with what it did to the feel.  if 
my palms get sweaty at all on the bike, then they just feel too slick.  I 
haven't done anything yet, but when we were on vacation I was sure thinking 
about seeing if there was something to remove the shellac without hurting 
the cork.  And , of course, at that point I saw info saying don't shellac.  
I wouldn't do it again. I think it undermines part of the reason for the 
cork grips.



On Thursday, August 27, 2015 at 1:35:28 PM UTC-7, EGNolan wrote:

> They're probably glued together cork bits; which I've shellaced before 
> (the natural, though, not black). It'll darken them up a bit & help them to 
> become more water resistant.
>
> Best,
> Eric
>
> On Wednesday, August 26, 2015 at 5:50:58 PM UTC-4, drew wrote:
>
>> purchased some black "cork" grips, but im thinking they are more likely 
>> black foam with flecks of cork. while i was not excited about the lack of 
>> actual cork, i do like the way they look.   from the perspective of 
>> enhancing their lifespan and diminishing their upkeep...Shellack them? do 
>> not shellack them? do something else to them? do nothing?
>>
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[RBW] Re: C&O in October

[KC]

Just read thru the thread and didn't see a posting re which bike you 
decided to take. I'm interested in your decision.
Also interested in hearing about the ride as it sure looks like fun and 
something we might want to plan


On Tuesday, September 8, 2015 at 6:28:57 AM UTC-7, Pondero wrote:

> A thread refresh to remind DC area folks that my trip is still a "go" and 
> there have been no changes in the dates (October 6-9).  A month from now, 
> my son-in-law, Steve Butcher, and I will be touring through the C&O trail.
>
> We'd love to met and ride with some of you locals, if possible.
>
> Chris Johnson
> Sanger, Texas
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[RBW] Re: The Impossible School Commute

[KC]

Really cool.  We can change things, one person at a time.
Americans tend to be so overweight and, sadly, the kids are overweight, eat 
poorly and don't exercise.  what you're doing is exactly what we need.  And 
what a great way to start the day.
My daughter-in-law is responsible for the "walking school bus" program for 
the elementary school in our community, lining up volunteers to walk to 
school along a designated safe route. 

On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 8:01:43 AM UTC-7, LeahFoy wrote:

> My 9 year old can make it with only one stop for water over halfway up the 
> hill. My younger needs to stop and walk for a few blocks. But when the heat 
> goes away, I bet he can make it further. It's hard to do, even for me!

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Coffee Outside Bay Area

[KC]

We are frequently in that area visiting family. Will plan on joining you when 
we can (probably not til early April). Great way to start a weekend. 

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot touring?

[KC]

It is too bad the Cheviot only has 1 bottle holder but it's not like you need 2 
bottles at once. We headed off this week for a (great) day ride with Doug P and 
his wife Melanie.  Because we left early, I had a huge bottle of coffee tucked 
in with my load on the back and my water bottle on the bike. I'm sure I could 
do the same if loaded up and figure out a 3rd if needed. I too am dreaming of a 
short tour on my Cheviot (bought the tent last year so I have a start). Talk to 
Will at Riv hq. I'm sure he would have some great input.

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[RBW] Re: Richmond/El Cerrito RBW owners, hi!

[KC]

Don't live there, but love the area (our son does so we get to visit).  You 
should be hearing from Kellie.  She schedules a Saturday morning coffee 
meet-up that you should enjoy.  i definitely plan to go next time we are 
there, hopefully in Sept.  

On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 10:11:03 AM UTC-7, Dave wrote:
>
> Hey now, 
>
> Just moved over to the Richmond Annex from N. Berkeley and know there's at 
> least one bill lindsay over this-a-wayare there others? Would love to 
> learn of some fun rides on this side of that Albany hill
>
> Saw a fun looking Rosco Bubbe on san pablo recently
>
> Dave
>

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[RBW] Hetres

[KC]

Looks like I need new tires and just realized these are apparently discontinued 
and I'm not seeing any source online. Does anyone know a shop likely to have 
stock?

Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: Hetres

[KC]

Thank you for the feedback.  Compass shows discontinued and recommends Baby 
Shoe Pass as replacements.  Since I've been happy with the Hetres I put on 
my first week of ownership I thought I'd stick with a good known solution.  
I went to the Grand Bois site and put the tires in my cart twice but both 
times got an error message. Maybe me.  I'll give it another try later but 
may be buying Baby Shoe Pass.
  

On Friday, 24 November 2017 15:54:43 UTC-8, Ian A wrote:
>
> You could always replace with Baby Shoe Pass from Compass Cycles (Bicycle 
> Quarterly) I thought Compass also stocked Hetres?
>
> IanA
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Biking trip in CA?

[KC]

Somehow I missed seeing this. Since you have put the trip off until next 
month, I can add my suggestions. Consider coming out our direction and 
staying in San Diego.  

We love to park at Mission Bay and ride a loop there.  You can pick from 
several to provide varying distances depending on how the gang feels.  It 
is a flat ride. You can stop and play on the beach in the bay area (rent a 
paddle board, etc.). There is an area with tons of restaurants and you can 
spend some time at Belmont Park (and get a whopping huge ice cream there, 
which seems to be a popular reward for the recalcitrant riders).  You also 
have the opportunity to take the ferry from the harbor to Coronado Island. 
It feels so fun to roll the bike on for the short trip. When you get off, 
there are plenty of choices for a snack/lunch. Then you head off to a bike 
trail that goes along the water. You usually get to watch some Navy Seals 
climbing their course. When you get back to the harbor, it is a short 
distance to a shopping/eating area. Lots of bike rental places if someone 
wants to test out an e-bike. Or grab a Lime scooter.  

There is so much to do in the area, you can easily plan a day of doing 
things besides biking - Tour the Midway in the harbor, go to the zoo (but 
you would want to plan a day), go to Balboa Park, go to Sea World. My son 
and his wife went whale watching out of San Diego harbor yesterday and saw 
a calf and a juvenile. 

>From San Diego you can also roll the bikes onto the Coaster and head up to 
one our beach towns for the day. 


On Sunday, January 20, 2019 at 6:20:22 AM UTC-8, Surlyprof wrote:
>
> I agree with Toshi’s route.  Pretty classic SoCal ride and a very casual 
> meander on protected bike trails.If you go the south direction, that 
> takes you through Manhattan, Hermosa and Redondo Beach areas.  Just south 
> of that is the coast of Palos Verdes.  That area is also nice but more 
> quiet residential community.  There is a one-street “downtown” that has a 
> very nice coffee shop.  A little bit farther south is the Wayfarers Chapel 
> which is a beautiful mostly glass church designed by Frank Lloyd Wright. 
>  Worthwhile destination. 
>
> John “Design Geek for a Living” McClusky

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Re: [RBW] Re: Biking trip in CA?

[KC]

Good input Joe. I know you were steering me to the mid-drive and using it 
on the Groove. I guess I still have too much to learn to place an order. 
The people who we bought our house from had solved their problem with a 
front hub and were happy with it as far as doing what they needed from it - 
getting up the one big hill. I tested, by accident, a really nice e-bike a 
couple years ago. I didn't like the feel of  the pedal assist. It was fun 
to see what the bike could do. I just want to put on a little power when I 
really need it. I really liked that bike, but it was overkill for what I 
need and way too much money. 

I know you put a kit on a bike and then took it off to sell it. Must have 
been a mid-drive, so maybe it's simpler than it looks to me.  Doug P gave 
me the name of someone that does mid-drives (they want to see the bike) and 
I also spent quite a bit of time on the Luna website that I think you 
referred me to. I've been wanting to load up the bikes and go talk to the 
people at Luna so I guess it is time to do that. And then we can have a 
nice day riding that bike trail. We've done it a couple of times with 
friends that live a block away and we owe them a visit.
  
Then, I'll have to rethink the "not a 4th bike" idea and consider the Rad 
folder that has also been recommended by someone on the list. Leah, you may 
want to look into that one for your husband. 

On Monday, February 18, 2019 at 9:21:54 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> KC, one caveat I'll throw out there right away is most front hub motors 
> seem sized for slightly larger dropouts than Riv forks use. I also have a 
> bit of trepidation about how slim the blades are. 
>
> Those front hub motors are not a good candidate for Rivs, in my opinion, 
> plus in general are overpriced for what you get. I think mid-drives or that 
> Copenhagen thing are the way to go. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Bikelessness

[KC]

Beer likely would at least get the flat tire addressed quickly. 

The other very easy solution is to buy a Brompton (or Tern or probably any 
other folding bike) that will take little room in the garage and magically 
seems to adjust to fit any size rider quite nicely. Then you are always 
prepared and have a loaner ready for company too. Sounds like you probably need 
2 to be safe.

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[RBW] Re: Slimey Green - go look

[Jeff, KC MO]

The Simpleone?

On Apr 19, 1:17 am, "Rob H."  wrote:
> Oooh nice prototype! It's almost like a, dare I say it, british racing
> green! From the text it appears it'll have a cream colored head tube
> and from the news, the main batch will also have cantilever bosses.
>
> On Apr 18, 9:47 pm, James Warren  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Onwww.rivbike.com, under "bike models"

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[RBW] Re: Considering new pedals

[Jeff, KC MO]

My 2 cents here is the Tioga Spyders are close in shape to the Grip
Kings but have the spikes already installed. I use them on my
singlespeed. More preferable, for me, are BMX pedals with a nice wide
footbed and plenty of grip.



On Jun 1, 11:23 pm, Mike S  wrote:
> Grip King's all the way baby! Size 13-14 here and I can't imagine a
> pedal more comfortable than this. A few cap screws on the edges solve
> the 'slippery when wet' problem. The dust caps are lame, but
> everything else about them is splendiforous. Tree Fort Bikes has them
> on sale for $38 + s/h (under the name 'Lambda').
>
> On Jun 1, 10:56 pm, jamison brosseau 
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > i pedaled in clips for ten years or so, but was always fixed riding.
> > when i made the move to geared bike i decided to try the grip king,
> > cause i wear a variety of shoes and they seamed appealing.  the grip
> > king didn't seem so grippy to me, and on a lark i bought a set of
> > super cheap plastic bmx platform pedals .  i love them, and now have
> > them on all of my bikes, though if i were to ride fixed again, i would
> > use clips or grip kings.
>
> > On Jun 1, 9:45 pm, SISDDWG  wrote:
>
> > > I like the MKS touring pedal with deep toe clips, straps, and the MKS
> > > Spin-2 pedal flip. You really need the flip to make the entry easy.
> > > The entry/exit are very easy if you're wearing shoes with a fairly
> > > smooth sole. The G 9 is not as comfortable or secure unless you use
> > > toe clips and straps - then why bother? Get the touring pedals. I
> > > discontinued using SPD pedals for much the same reason that you are
> > > confronting.
>
> > > On Jun 1, 12:48 pm, MichaelH  wrote:
>
> > > > About a decade ago I discovered Speedplay Frog Pedals and fell in love
> > > > with them.  I have recommended them to many people and everybody who
> > > > wanted an easy on and easy on the knees pedal loved them.  Gradually
> > > > all my bikes got them.  But now I am developing a cronic hot spot on
> > > > the ball of my foot and suspect that always using the same pedal might
> > > > be a contributor, so have decided to go for some variety.  I have an
> > > > old pair of useable Campy rat traps but like the idea of the wider MKS
> > > > body on their touring pedal  But I see they also make a platform
> > > > pedal, the GR 9.  I will probably ride these with sneakers or Keen
> > > > Sandals, and large toe clips.  I have a large, size 13, foot.
>
> > > > Has anyone used both of these?  What was your experience?
>
> > > > Michael

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[RBW] Re: shorts with a fly?

[Jeff, KC MO]

I have a pair of Zoic Shorts, IIRC that do have a fly and removable liner. 
So the answer to your question is yes.

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[RBW] Re: wool filler

[Jeff, KC MO]

Can it be purchased in the US?

On Nov 18, 2:36 pm, Seth Vidal  wrote:
> I know we've all suffered from a nice wool knitted object developing a
> hole. My significant other, a knitter, sent me this GREAT video of how
> to fix holes.
>
> http://www.swiss-miss.com/2010/06/woolfiller.html
>
> it's brilliant!
>
> -sv

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[RBW] Re: Vintage Grant Bicycle Great Condition

[Jeff, KC MO]

I suspect it's actually a Giant.

On Feb 9, 8:40 am, karpowicz  wrote:
> http://hartford.craigslist.org/bik/2139679895.html
>
> Saw this ad.  Hmmm.  

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[RBW] Re: SHOES!

[Jeff, KC MO]

I have a pair of Axo (?, can't tell for sure from the logo) that I
bought at a bike swap meet for $10 with stiff soles and no provision
for SPD. They look like skate shoes but are perhaps the best bike
shoes I've found yet. I had to cut off nearly a foot of lace from each
shoe and re-tip them with heat shrink tubing to make them just right.

Also, I have a pair of Montrail trail runners that were too stiff for
running but work nicely for cycling. They have a flap that goes over
the laces and zips shut and snaps down, keeping the laces away from
the chainring. They came with gaiters for the really cold days.

In the summer, I wear a pair of North Face sandals.

Jeff in KC

On Nov 14, 8:01 pm, Jim Cloud  wrote:
> +1 on the Sidi Touring shoes that Rivendell once sold.  The last for
> this shoe fits me very well (it is a 47 size), and I'm very happy with
> them.   I have one additional pair, NIB, in reserve when my present
> ones wear out (although these shoes which use the Lorica "leather"
> uppers seem to wear forever!).
>
> Jim Cloud
> Tucson, AZ
>
> On Nov 14, 3:45 pm, Montclair BobbyB 
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > I saw mention of shoes on the pedal discussion, and decided to spawn a
> > new discussion...  What kind of shoes do you all ride with???  (I've
> > recently changed my perspective on shoes.)
>
> > Since owning my Bombadil I've virtually ceased using my SPD shoes.  My
> > pedals are Nashbar Rodeo 2 pedals, which have SPD bindings on one
> > side, platform on the other... Instead I ride my favorite, most
> > comfortable shoes, Ecco Country Walkers... I never would have
> > previously considered riding in my "street" shoes, which I now realize
> > is totally absurd.  Riding with these shoes puts a smile on my face.
> > Best of all, when I arrive (wherever it is I arrive at), I'm wearing
> > my favorite shoes.
>
> > BB

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[RBW] Re: homemade bag loops???

[Jeff, KC MO]

Try this http://www.wallbike.com/content/carradicehacks.html .

On Apr 30, 7:03 am, jpp  wrote:
> I want to get the sackville saddlesack size medium.  I do not ride a
> brooks saddle, so no bag loops.  I have a kevens bag now and it works
> fine without the loops (keven said it would work and was right).  I
> contacted riv about it and they said the saddlesack would move around
> more than I would probably like without the loops.
>
> Has anyone ever homemade bag loops for a saddle??  I know VO and
> others sell the hardware, but it really does not look that special,
> plus I think I can make it myself for less money.  I figure I would
> ask the group before heading out to the hardware store.  If anyone has
> done it, pictures would be helpful.
>
> Thanks!!
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[RBW] Re: Best Thumb Shifters

[Jeff, KC MO]

I put a pair of these on my wife's bike and they've worked pretty
well. They seem a little large but she hasn't complained.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Quality-Metal-Shimano-Compat-Thumb-Shifters-NEW-3X7-sp-/380229345035?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Cycling_Parts_Accessories&hash=item58876f5f0b

On May 2, 11:33 am, velomann  wrote:
> Those IRD shifters look sweet, but $160?!? For that kind of scratch
> I'd save some money and hunt up a vintage pair of old XT's unless you
> need 9 speed indexed - and in that case you could also go bar-ends on
> Paul Thumbies. The less cogs you run in the rear, the cheaper you can
> get the bar-ends for, generally.
>
> On May 1, 5:16 pm, Richard  wrote:
>
> > Haven't used the XCPro Thumbshifters from IRD, but here's a link to
> > the IRD web site.
>
> >http://interlocracing.com/shifters.html
>
> > Good luck.
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[RBW] Re: Top Ten Names for the next Rivendell Bike

[Jeff, KC MO]

Rocinante,  or Rose, was the name of Dervla Murphy's bike in "Full
Tilt", IIRC. Dervla would also be a great bike name and a suitable
honor.

On May 6, 7:29 pm, Bridgestone  wrote:
> "Rocinante" would be pretty awesome—the name of Don Quixote's horse,
> and John Steinbeck's camper in "Travels with Charley."
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