[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Indexing and STI require less thought from our minds and bodies, bringing us 
closer to the technological ideal of mind-lessness and thought-lessness that we 
seem to be striving for.

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Re: [RBW] Tolkien themed MIT Atlantis

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Now that's texting. While taping? Black and White and read all over.

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[RBW] Re: FT: My 54.5cm MIT AHH for your 54cm AHH or Saluki

[Chad]

Phil,

I also have an 80PBH and set my saddle at 68.5-70 depending on the pedals, 
shoes, saddle, etc.  I’m curious, did RBW steer you towards the 54.5?  A 54.5 
with the upsloping top top tube seems awful big for a 80 PBH.   I had a 51 Sam 
Hillborne that was almost the same in every dimension to the MIT AHH with the 
exception of the chainstays and it fit me almost perfectly.  I believe it had 
about 173mm headtube so it gave me a good range of adjustability as far as stem 
height.  I could raise the bars up at least a couple inches above the saddle or 
slam it to just below the saddle even with a Tallux stem.  I also had a 53 
Roadeo, a 52 Bombadil, and now a 52 Toyo-built AHH and 52 Clem H.  I absolutely 
love my AHH and I don’t feel as stretched out or maxed out on standover, but it 
does require a lot of stem just to get the bars to saddle height.  Looking at 
the old geo charts that used to list stack height it looks like the old 
horizontal top tube 54 AHH has an even shorter stack than the 51 Hillborne, so 
yeah an old 54 AHH would probably get the stem lower where you want it, but I’m 
surprised you thought the new 51 AHH was too small. I had to size down from a 
9cm to 7cm stem to get comfortable with Noodle bars on the 51.  How did the 51 
Appaloosa feel?   Maybe I just have shorter arms.

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[RBW] Re: FT: My 54.5cm MIT AHH for your 54cm AHH or Saluki

[phil k]

Thanks for sharing your experience Chad. Yes, I've been through a lot of 
Rivs mainly because my proportions seem out of the norm.

To be clear 54.5 when riding with shoes is no problem. I'm not a stickler 
about standover, especially on a road bike like this. With shoes if I tilt 
the bike even 85 degrees I get several centimeters of relief. When I told 
Riv I don't care about standover, they directed me toward a 53cm or a 
54.5cm AHH. I told them I wasn't going to go off-road and needed something 
to ride on pavement, which is how I settled on the AHH.

The main issue is that I don't have quite the time to ride as long as I 
used to, and have found myself doing shorter rides for exercise. Therefore, 
I would like to get my bars lower, but with the upslope I cannot get the 
bars where I want even with it down all the way.

It rides great, so I'll keep it if no trade comes up, but it's just kind of 
one of those things.

On Wednesday, April 10, 2019 at 7:07:33 AM UTC-4, Chad wrote:
>
> Phil, 
>
> I also have an 80PBH and set my saddle at 68.5-70 depending on the pedals, 
> shoes, saddle, etc.  I’m curious, did RBW steer you towards the 54.5?  A 
> 54.5 with the upsloping top top tube seems awful big for a 80 PBH.   I had 
> a 51 Sam Hillborne that was almost the same in every dimension to the MIT 
> AHH with the exception of the chainstays and it fit me almost perfectly.  I 
> believe it had about 173mm headtube so it gave me a good range of 
> adjustability as far as stem height.  I could raise the bars up at least a 
> couple inches above the saddle or slam it to just below the saddle even 
> with a Tallux stem.  I also had a 53 Roadeo, a 52 Bombadil, and now a 52 
> Toyo-built AHH and 52 Clem H.  I absolutely love my AHH and I don’t feel as 
> stretched out or maxed out on standover, but it does require a lot of stem 
> just to get the bars to saddle height.  Looking at the old geo charts that 
> used to list stack height it looks like the old horizontal top tube 54 AHH 
> has an even shorter stack than the 51 Hillborne, so yeah an old 54 AHH 
> would probably get the stem lower where you want it, but I’m surprised you 
> thought the new 51 AHH was too small. I had to size down from a 9cm to 7cm 
> stem to get comfortable with Noodle bars on the 51.  How did the 51 
> Appaloosa feel?   Maybe I just have shorter arms.

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS -- Bike Bags, Riv and other

[David Hays]

He told me he was going to UPS  to check shipping costs today and get back to 
me with total costs to PayPal.
David Hays
Williamsville, New York

> On Apr 9, 2019, at 9:38 PM, David Bivins  wrote:
> 
> He gave me a confirmation of what I wanted to buy but hasn't followed up with 
> payment instructions. It was a good FS list, so maybe it will take him some 
> time?
> 
> On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 9:33 PM Friend  > wrote:
> Has anyone hears back from Tom yet?
> 
> On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 2:57:22 PM UTC-4, sameness wrote:
> My tells were the side pocket heights, the location of the label on the front 
> flap, and how low that kangaroo pocket sits relative to the leather light 
> hanging tab... thing. Prepared to be wrong, just trying to help.
> 
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
> 
> On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 11:47:36 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
> The tell on that blue bag is zippered pockets on the front, facing the 
> seatpost. Hard to tell from the angle on those pics, if there's no zippers 
> it's a medium.
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[RBW] Quick cockpit swap (say that 10x fast)

[esoterica etc]

Howdy all,

I’m looking into possible ways on how to construct a “quick release” method for 
easy swapping of cockpits. My Atlantis currently has Choco bars on it which I 
really like and are great for country rambles, but there are often times I wish 
for a different setup, such as drop bars or a Jones bar, etc. Since the 
Atlantis (and most other Riv’s) are billed as all-rounders/multi-purpose bikes, 
I figured one way to really use them to their fullest potential would be to 
have two or more fully-built cockpits ready to swap depending on your mood 
and/or terrain you plan to ride on any given day. Makes sense, right?

So my question to the group is: has anyone tried doing this? I’ve looked at 
using something like the Bruce Gordon couplers, although the BG couplers are 
only for shifter cables and he doesn’t have couplers for brake cables. Or maybe 
the Richey Quick Disconnect, which have both shifter and brake units. But these 
look like they’re designed primarily for a Rinko-type bike or something with 
S&S couplers for easy disassembling, and not necessarily for cockpit swapping. 
Any ideas/suggestions as to how I can pull this off? Or can someone explain to 
me why this doesn’t seem to really be a thing, despite what a brilliant idea it 
sounds like? Am I missing something totally obvious to everyone else?
Thanks y’all,

~Mark
Raleigh, NC

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[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed

[Dave Grossman]

I'm back to friction almost exclusively now and I am tired of fiddling with 
indexing setups.  I like the idea of set and forget and I love the idea of 
really having to be in tune with the bike to shift.  My Jones has 11 speed 
XT which does shift really nicely, but when I get back to friction on the 
Hunq I never worry about being out and having an issue arise.  

I kind of find it to be a Luddite vs Industrialization argument, without 
the machine smashing.  I like the idea of doing it myself, and I don't want 
a machine to take it over for me!

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[RBW] Quick cockpit swap (say that 10x fast)

[Jon Dukeman,central Colorado]

I would suggest building up a Sam Hillborne or a Clem with the cockpit you like 
if possible. Decision on what to ride can be made at ride time.
Jon

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Re: [RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed

[John McBurney]

I think both have their place. The analogy I used is digital versus
analogue audio. I love my turn table and records but by golly I love the
precision and convenience of my digital setup too.

I originally got into friction way back in the 60s then rediscovered it
more recently when I got fed up with different standards for 9 speed 10
speed road, mountain shimano SRAM etc etc etc.

I run the Bombadil 9 speed indexed with DA barcons on Thumbies in index
mode because I Ride it off road some and quick shifting is essential.

On the road there is usually time to reach for the downtube shifter and
fine tune the shift.

John

On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 9:56 AM Dave Grossman  wrote:

> I'm back to friction almost exclusively now and I am tired of fiddling
> with indexing setups.  I like the idea of set and forget and I love the
> idea of really having to be in tune with the bike to shift.  My Jones has
> 11 speed XT which does shift really nicely, but when I get back to friction
> on the Hunq I never worry about being out and having an issue arise.
>
> I kind of find it to be a Luddite vs Industrialization argument, without
> the machine smashing.  I like the idea of doing it myself, and I don't want
> a machine to take it over for me!
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Re: [RBW] Quick cockpit swap (say that 10x fast)

[Keith Weaver]

I have an S&S coupled bike, I'd recommend using those kind of splitters.
This is assuming your frame has split cable stops to let you pull the cable
attached to the bars out easily.

Here's a link to a site that carries them:
http://www.davincitandems.com/components/. Take a look down toward the
bottom. You'll have to get two brake kits, as an S&S bike normally only has
one brake cable split.

On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 7:02 AM Jon Dukeman,central Colorado <
row.n.2nowh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I would suggest building up a Sam Hillborne or a Clem with the cockpit you
> like if possible. Decision on what to ride can be made at ride time.
> Jon
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Re: [RBW] Quick cockpit swap (say that 10x fast)

[Patrick Moore]

In one word: Buy Another Bike.

Seriously, I understand the desire to make one bike do many things; I tried
that myself back in the very early '90s with 3 wheelsets, for offroad,
commuting/errands, and "gofast", each with appropriate tires and cassettes,
but I shortly discovered that I really wanted at least 3 bikes and that has
been my habit ever since I bought an XO-2 to serve as my gofast road bike,
converted a very nice steel hardtail to drops for commuting, and bought
myself another mountain bike for dirt use.

On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 7:43 AM esoterica etc 
wrote:

> ...
>
> I’m looking into possible ways on how to construct a “quick release”
> method for easy swapping of cockpits. My Atlantis currently has Choco bars
> on it which I really like and are great for country rambles, but there are
> often times I wish for a different setup, such as drop bars or a Jones bar,
> etc.

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[RBW] Re: Quick cockpit swap (say that 10x fast)

[Shoji Takahashi]

Hi Mark,
I and others have done quick-change cockpits.

On my Hunqapillar, it was easy to unclip the canti-straddle cable. Set the 
brake cable lengths on multiple cockpits to-be at the same straddle 
heights, and there's little adjustment necessary. 

Easiest would be to set up down-tube shifters. If that's not to your 
liking, then thumbies with hinged bands work. I used a right-side bar end, 
which meant that I had to undo it/redo it. Afterward, I got cable 
splitters, which worked great. However, it meant having doubles of bar 
ends, downtube cable stops, etc.

With familiarity, I could do a swap in ~5 min without rushing.. could 
probably be a little faster. But as Patrick suggests, another bike is a 
better solution. 

Good luck!
shoji
Arlington MA


On Wednesday, April 10, 2019 at 9:43:55 AM UTC-4, esoterica etc wrote:
>
>
> Howdy all, 
>
> I’m looking into possible ways on how to construct a “quick release” 
> method for easy swapping of cockpits. My Atlantis currently has Choco bars 
> on it which I really like and are great for country rambles, but there are 
> often times I wish for a different setup, such as drop bars or a Jones bar, 
> etc. Since the Atlantis (and most other Riv’s) are billed as 
> all-rounders/multi-purpose bikes, I figured one way to really use them to 
> their fullest potential would be to have two or more fully-built cockpits 
> ready to swap depending on your mood and/or terrain you plan to ride on any 
> given day. Makes sense, right? 
>
> So my question to the group is: has anyone tried doing this? I’ve looked 
> at using something like the Bruce Gordon couplers, although the BG couplers 
> are only for shifter cables and he doesn’t have couplers for brake cables. 
> Or maybe the Richey Quick Disconnect, which have both shifter and brake 
> units. But these look like they’re designed primarily for a Rinko-type bike 
> or something with S&S couplers for easy disassembling, and not necessarily 
> for cockpit swapping. Any ideas/suggestions as to how I can pull this off? 
> Or can someone explain to me why this doesn’t seem to really be a thing, 
> despite what a brilliant idea it sounds like? Am I missing something 
> totally obvious to everyone else? 
> Thanks y’all, 
>
> ~Mark 
> Raleigh, NC

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[RBW] Quick cockpit swap (say that 10x fast)

[Joe Bernard]

My experience isn't quite what you're trying to do, but it still ended with two 
bikes. I put Ritchey quick-connects on a full size bike so I could remove the 
bars easily to put everything in a small car. But the reality was untwisting 
all those connectors was time-consuming; I never did it; I ended up buying a 
folder for the car. 

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[RBW] Touring site, possibly of interest to listers

[Patrick Moore]

Perhaps many of you already know this site, but I just stumbled across it
the other day. I'm no tourist, but the author discusses many subjects of
interest to me and perhaps to other listers. He has a section on lighting
as well as one on hub and pinion gears which I found interesting.

I am waiting for the imminent announcement of a Rivendell Roadeo model
designed expressly for close-ratio Sturmey Archer-type club gears. (I did
mean "club" though they are hub gears too) with a new close ratio Silver
hub in the works -- + 115/100/.8654.

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[RBW] Re: Touring site, possibly of interest to listers

[Patrick Moore]

Sheesh: http://www.cyclingabout.com/article-directory-2/

On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 9:30 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Perhaps many of you already know this site, but I just stumbled across it
> the other day. I'm no tourist, but the author discusses many subjects of
> interest to me and perhaps to other listers. He has a section on lighting
> as well as one on hub and pinion gears which I found interesting.
>
> I am waiting for the imminent announcement of a Rivendell Roadeo model
> designed expressly for close-ratio Sturmey Archer-type club gears. (I did
> mean "club" though they are hub gears too) with a new close ratio Silver
> hub in the works -- + 115/100/.8654.
>
> --
>
>
>
>
> **
>
>
>
>
>
> *Still 'round the corner there may waitA new road or a secret gate,And
> though we pass them by today,Tomorrow we may come this wayAnd take the
> hidden paths that runTowards the Moon or to the Sun.*
> --- J.R.R. Tolkien
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[RBW] Re: Quick cockpit swap (say that 10x fast)

[Ash]

I frequently switch among 3-4 kinds of alt-bars I have.  Sometimes I swap 
the stem as well.  It takes me 5 mins give or take to swap the handlebar.   
If I have to switch the stem as well, add another 2 mins.  I have Ergon 
grips, which are very easy to remove.  The process just involves loosening 
about 6 Allen bolts (grips, levers, shifters, stem clamp), swap, tweak the 
angles etc and tighten those bolts.  Because I have done this many many 
times, it does not take much effort for me to set handlebar, levers, 
shifters angles and positions to my liking.  Doubt that any ready solution 
would shorten this process significantly.   

If your swap requires going from on kind of levers/shifters to another kind 
(flat/alt-bar to drops), then it gets complicated :)



On Wednesday, 10 April 2019 06:43:55 UTC-7, esoterica etc wrote:
>
>
> Howdy all, 
>
> I’m looking into possible ways on how to construct a “quick release” 
> method for easy swapping of cockpits. My Atlantis currently has Choco bars 
> on it which I really like and are great for country rambles, but there are 
> often times I wish for a different setup, such as drop bars or a Jones bar, 
> etc. Since the Atlantis (and most other Riv’s) are billed as 
> all-rounders/multi-purpose bikes, I figured one way to really use them to 
> their fullest potential would be to have two or more fully-built cockpits 
> ready to swap depending on your mood and/or terrain you plan to ride on any 
> given day. Makes sense, right? 
>
> So my question to the group is: has anyone tried doing this? I’ve looked 
> at using something like the Bruce Gordon couplers, although the BG couplers 
> are only for shifter cables and he doesn’t have couplers for brake cables. 
> Or maybe the Richey Quick Disconnect, which have both shifter and brake 
> units. But these look like they’re designed primarily for a Rinko-type bike 
> or something with S&S couplers for easy disassembling, and not necessarily 
> for cockpit swapping. Any ideas/suggestions as to how I can pull this off? 
> Or can someone explain to me why this doesn’t seem to really be a thing, 
> despite what a brilliant idea it sounds like? Am I missing something 
> totally obvious to everyone else? 
> Thanks y’all, 
>
> ~Mark 
> Raleigh, NC

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[RBW] Re: Quick cockpit swap (say that 10x fast)

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

On Wednesday, April 10, 2019 at 7:47:54 AM UTC-7, Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>
>
> On my Hunqapillar, it was easy to unclip the canti-straddle cable. Set the 
> brake cable lengths on multiple cockpits to-be at the same straddle 
> heights, and there's little adjustment necessary. 
>
> Easiest would be to set up down-tube shifters. If that's not to your 
> liking, then thumbies with hinged bands work. I used a right-side bar end, 
> which meant that I had to undo it/redo it. Afterward, I got cable 
> splitters, which worked great. However, it meant having doubles of bar 
> ends, downtube cable stops, etc.
>

I did the same as Shoji with my Atlantis – downtube shifters, stem, 
handlebar and brake levers shod with full-length brake cables terminated 
with straddle cable hangers. Once set up, the swap is quick and fuss-free. 
It is so easy that at one time, I had three cockpits for my Atlantis: 
dropbar, Bosco, and mustache. The only thing to transfer over is the Cateye 
computer.

I have an S&S-coupled bike that had cable splitters. I didn't like them as 
they were noisy over semi-rough terrain and somewhat of an eyesore (and you 
need four).

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[RBW] Re: Quick cockpit swap (say that 10x fast)

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

An Atlantis is a perfect candidate for a drop/upright easy switch-out and 
provided yours has DT shifter bosses (and you're OK using down tube 
shifters) then Shoji and Benz have it right. Seriously folks -- buy another 
bike (?) where did all the deep pockets come from???


On Wednesday, April 10, 2019 at 11:34:02 AM UTC-4, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA 
wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, April 10, 2019 at 7:47:54 AM UTC-7, Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>>
>>
>> On my Hunqapillar, it was easy to unclip the canti-straddle cable. Set 
>> the brake cable lengths on multiple cockpits to-be at the same straddle 
>> heights, and there's little adjustment necessary. 
>>
>> Easiest would be to set up down-tube shifters. If that's not to your 
>> liking, then thumbies with hinged bands work. I used a right-side bar end, 
>> which meant that I had to undo it/redo it. Afterward, I got cable 
>> splitters, which worked great. However, it meant having doubles of bar 
>> ends, downtube cable stops, etc.
>>
>
> I did the same as Shoji with my Atlantis – downtube shifters, stem, 
> handlebar and brake levers shod with full-length brake cables terminated 
> with straddle cable hangers. Once set up, the swap is quick and fuss-free. 
> It is so easy that at one time, I had three cockpits for my Atlantis: 
> dropbar, Bosco, and mustache. The only thing to transfer over is the Cateye 
> computer.
>
> I have an S&S-coupled bike that had cable splitters. I didn't like them as 
> they were noisy over semi-rough terrain and somewhat of an eyesore (and you 
> need four).
>

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[RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[S]

Did you switch to a different stem length for the Wavies or did you keep the 
same stem you used with drops? I am thinking of making the same transition and 
I wonder if I should get a longer stem.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Quick cockpit swap (say that 10x fast)

[Patrick Moore]

The deep pockets come from driving old cars no more miles than necessary.
With 3 bikes (+ folder/beater) I drive -- what, 1K miles/year?. Even paying
for gas and insurance (!) and repairs on an old car that I basically let my
17 year old daughter use, I have plenty $ left over for bike stuff.

Even if I worked (as I did until 2008; since then I've worked for myself)
15 miles diagonally across town (I commuted by bike at least 1/2 the time)
saves enough, easily, for 3 real bikes.

On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 10:13 AM 'jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> An Atlantis is a perfect candidate for a drop/upright easy switch-out and
> provided yours has DT shifter bosses (and you're OK using down tube
> shifters) then Shoji and Benz have it right. Seriously folks -- buy another
> bike (?) where did all the deep pockets come from???
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Adam Leibow]

S - yes dramatically different. I went from a 70mm stem to a 110mm stem to
make the wavies fit.
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On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 10:48 AM S  wrote:

> Did you switch to a different stem length for the Wavies or did you keep
> the same stem you used with drops? I am thinking of making the same
> transition and I wonder if I should get a longer stem.
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[RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Adam Leibow]

S - yes dramatically. i had a 70mm stem with the drops and switched to a 
110mm stem to make the wavies fit. 

On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 11:29:13 AM UTC-8, Adam Leibow wrote:
>
> hi all, i want to create a thread where you just post a picture of your 
> rivendell(s) whenever you feel like it. hope this is OK w/ the mods. i love 
> lookin at pics of em all day. i will start with my sam hillborne.
>
>
> [image: IMG_3920.jpeg]
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Quick cockpit swap (say that 10x fast)

[Patrick Moore]

Let me elucidate. You can buy a very reliable used car for $10K. The
average new car cost in 2018 was $35K, per a quick Google (vi). If you
shell out for 3 new Rivs at $4K/each -- you get the picture. And $4K is
pretty generous.

Where do all the deep pockets come from? That's 1 answer.


On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 10:51 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> The deep pockets come from driving old cars no more miles than necessary.
> With 3 bikes (+ folder/beater) I drive -- what, 1K miles/year?. Even paying
> for gas and insurance (!) and repairs on an old car that I basically let my
> 17 year old daughter use, I have plenty $ left over for bike stuff.
>
> Even if I worked (as I did until 2008; since then I've worked for myself)
> 15 miles diagonally across town (I commuted by bike at least 1/2 the time)
> saves enough, easily, for 3 real bikes.
>
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 10:13 AM 'jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> An Atlantis is a perfect candidate for a drop/upright easy switch-out and
>> provided yours has DT shifter bosses (and you're OK using down tube
>> shifters) then Shoji and Benz have it right. Seriously folks -- buy another
>> bike (?) where did all the deep pockets come from???
>>
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed

[jack loudon]

"I like the idea of doing it myself, and I don't want a machine to take it 
over for me!"

As I get older I also find myself leaning more toward simple over complex.  
Complex can be wonderfully convenient until it fails, and I've had two 
indexing failures.  My first shifter fail was 9-sp Campy Chorus brifters.  
I disassembled them to replace the worn G springs and to my shame, was 
unable to reassemble them, so had to take them to a bike shop (I'm stubborn 
about doing all my own wrenching, and this was before I was aware of 
youtube videos on everything).  Also on that bike I was running Shimano 
freewheels so had to be overly clever in changing cog spacer widths (thanks 
Sheldon) to make the setup shift smoothly with Campy brifters.  My next 
indexing failure was on a Shimano Bar-con, where the solution was simply to 
lift the D ring and rotate the barrel to 'friction'.  I never gave indexing 
much thought after that, as it was a solution to a problem I didn't have.  
 I guess indexing and electronic shifting have their place, but not for the 
kind of riding I do.

Jack - Seattle



On Wednesday, April 10, 2019 at 6:56:48 AM UTC-7, Dave Grossman wrote:
>
> I'm back to friction almost exclusively now and I am tired of fiddling 
> with indexing setups.  I like the idea of set and forget and I love the 
> idea of really having to be in tune with the bike to shift.  My Jones has 
> 11 speed XT which does shift really nicely, but when I get back to friction 
> on the Hunq I never worry about being out and having an issue arise.  
>
> I kind of find it to be a Luddite vs Industrialization argument, without 
> the machine smashing.  I like the idea of doing it myself, and I don't want 
> a machine to take it over for me!
>

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[RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[S]

Thanks! That’s good to know. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Quick cockpit swap (say that 10x fast)

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Patrick -- ha! I like your thinking ... but the OP was asking about cockpit 
swaps (!)

On Wednesday, April 10, 2019 at 2:17:18 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Let me elucidate. You can buy a very reliable used car for $10K. The 
> average new car cost in 2018 was $35K, per a quick Google (vi). If you 
> shell out for 3 new Rivs at $4K/each -- you get the picture. And $4K is 
> pretty generous.
>
> Where do all the deep pockets come from? That's 1 answer.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 10:51 AM Patrick Moore  > wrote:
>
>> The deep pockets come from driving old cars no more miles than necessary. 
>> With 3 bikes (+ folder/beater) I drive -- what, 1K miles/year?. Even paying 
>> for gas and insurance (!) and repairs on an old car that I basically let my 
>> 17 year old daughter use, I have plenty $ left over for bike stuff.
>>
>> Even if I worked (as I did until 2008; since then I've worked for myself) 
>> 15 miles diagonally across town (I commuted by bike at least 1/2 the time) 
>> saves enough, easily, for 3 real bikes.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 10:13 AM 'jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>>
>>> An Atlantis is a perfect candidate for a drop/upright easy switch-out 
>>> and provided yours has DT shifter bosses (and you're OK using down tube 
>>> shifters) then Shoji and Benz have it right. Seriously folks -- buy another 
>>> bike (?) where did all the deep pockets come from???
>>>
>>>
>>
>
> -- 
>
>
>
>
> **
>
>
>
>
>
> *Still 'round the corner there may waitA new road or a secret gate,And 
> though we pass them by today,Tomorrow we may come this wayAnd take the 
> hidden paths that runTowards the Moon or to the Sun.*
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[RBW] Re: Quick cockpit swap (say that 10x fast)

[jack loudon]

[image: thorn]
I'm sure many of you have seen this from Sheldon Brown...


On Wednesday, April 10, 2019 at 6:43:55 AM UTC-7, esoterica etc wrote:
>
>
> Howdy all, 
>
> I’m looking into possible ways on how to construct a “quick release” 
> method for easy swapping of cockpits. My Atlantis currently has Choco bars 
> on it which I really like and are great for country rambles, but there are 
> often times I wish for a different setup, such as drop bars or a Jones bar, 
> etc. Since the Atlantis (and most other Riv’s) are billed as 
> all-rounders/multi-purpose bikes, I figured one way to really use them to 
> their fullest potential would be to have two or more fully-built cockpits 
> ready to swap depending on your mood and/or terrain you plan to ride on any 
> given day. Makes sense, right? 
>
> So my question to the group is: has anyone tried doing this? I’ve looked 
> at using something like the Bruce Gordon couplers, although the BG couplers 
> are only for shifter cables and he doesn’t have couplers for brake cables. 
> Or maybe the Richey Quick Disconnect, which have both shifter and brake 
> units. But these look like they’re designed primarily for a Rinko-type bike 
> or something with S&S couplers for easy disassembling, and not necessarily 
> for cockpit swapping. Any ideas/suggestions as to how I can pull this off? 
> Or can someone explain to me why this doesn’t seem to really be a thing, 
> despite what a brilliant idea it sounds like? Am I missing something 
> totally obvious to everyone else? 
> Thanks y’all, 
>
> ~Mark 
> Raleigh, NC

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[RBW] Re: Berthoud Saddles

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Just have to chime in since there isn't normally a lot of chatter around 
Berthoud saddles.  As much as I adore Brooks, the Mente is one of my all 
time favorites.  I have alt bars on all my bikes except for the Roadini 
which has Albaastache and the Mente works very well for me.  I like the 
long nose and sleek profile from the side.  Quality abounds on these 
saddles.  I've noticed the Mente is getting harder to find available.  Not 
sure if they are phasing it out?

On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 8:24:45 AM UTC-4, David Wadstrup wrote:
>
> I really like Berthoud saddles.  The Mente to me is the best saddle for 
> very upright riding positions.  Mainly because I don't have to ride with 
> the nose super high like I do with the Brooks.  I also like the Aspin for 
> bikes with drop bars.  I've been wondering, though, what the 
> Soulor/Galibier is like.  It's a narrower, racier saddle.  Does anyone here 
> have any experience with this saddle?  Is it too narrow?  Noticeably less 
> comfortable than the Aspin?
>

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[RBW] Re: Mark's Rack (M1) on Back?

[RichS]

George,

The Mark's Rack looks perfect on your gorgeous Ram. I have one in my spare 
parts collection and was debating whether or not to put on a Hilsen I'm 
putting together. You convinced me!

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 8:25:11 PM UTC-4, Takashi wrote:
>
> I usually put no more than 5kg of load in my saddlebag.
> With my 54cm Hunq, the saddlebag would rub the tire if used without a 
> rack, so probably 90% of the weight is supported by the rack.
> No problems so far.
>
> Takashi
>
> John Rinker wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Takashi and Jon,
>>
>> Any concerns about the weight of you'll load into the medium saddlesack 
>> with the Mark's rack? 
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 7:02:12 PM UTC+5:45, Takashi wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi John
>>>
>>> I also have Mark's Rack on back of my Hunq.
>>> https://flic.kr/p/298TE5u
>>> As you can see in this picture, I cut off the tombstone of the rack.
>>> I did it because I like saddlebag to be as close to seatpost as 
>>> possible, like in this picture (I don't mind my thighs hitting the 
>>> saddlebag) :
>>> https://flic.kr/p/RV8rN3
>>>
>>> Takashi
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Quick cockpit swap (say that 10x fast)

[Patrick Moore]

Read the entire thread.

On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 12:36 PM 'jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Patrick -- ha! I like your thinking ... but the OP was asking about
> cockpit swaps (!)
>
> On Wednesday, April 10, 2019 at 2:17:18 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Let me elucidate. You can buy a very reliable used car for $10K. The
>> average new car cost in 2018 was $35K, per a quick Google (vi). If you
>> shell out for 3 new Rivs at $4K/each -- you get the picture. And $4K is
>> pretty generous.
>>
>> Where do all the deep pockets come from? That's 1 answer.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 10:51 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> The deep pockets come from driving old cars no more miles than
>>> necessary. With 3 bikes (+ folder/beater) I drive -- what, 1K miles/year?.
>>> Even paying for gas and insurance (!) and repairs on an old car that I
>>> basically let my 17 year old daughter use, I have plenty $ left over for
>>> bike stuff.
>>>
>>> Even if I worked (as I did until 2008; since then I've worked for
>>> myself) 15 miles diagonally across town (I commuted by bike at least 1/2
>>> the time) saves enough, easily, for 3 real bikes.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 10:13 AM 'jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 An Atlantis is a perfect candidate for a drop/upright easy switch-out
 and provided yours has DT shifter bosses (and you're OK using down tube
 shifters) then Shoji and Benz have it right. Seriously folks -- buy another
 bike (?) where did all the deep pockets come from???


>>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> **
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> though we pass them by today,Tomorrow we may come this wayAnd take the
>> hidden paths that runTowards the Moon or to the Sun.*
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[RBW] Re: Quick cockpit swap (say that 10x fast)

[Ash]

 😂😂😂

That's compelling setup to try.  Luckily, my Boscos take me 80% there in 
terms of riding positions offered.


On Wednesday, 10 April 2019 11:38:39 UTC-7, jack loudon wrote:
>
> [image: thorn]
> I'm sure many of you have seen this from Sheldon Brown...
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 10, 2019 at 6:43:55 AM UTC-7, esoterica etc wrote:
>>
>>
>> Howdy all, 
>>
>> I’m looking into possible ways on how to construct a “quick release” 
>> method for easy swapping of cockpits. My Atlantis currently has Choco bars 
>> on it which I really like and are great for country rambles, but there are 
>> often times I wish for a different setup, such as drop bars or a Jones bar, 
>> etc. Since the Atlantis (and most other Riv’s) are billed as 
>> all-rounders/multi-purpose bikes, I figured one way to really use them to 
>> their fullest potential would be to have two or more fully-built cockpits 
>> ready to swap depending on your mood and/or terrain you plan to ride on any 
>> given day. Makes sense, right? 
>>
>> So my question to the group is: has anyone tried doing this? I’ve looked 
>> at using something like the Bruce Gordon couplers, although the BG couplers 
>> are only for shifter cables and he doesn’t have couplers for brake cables. 
>> Or maybe the Richey Quick Disconnect, which have both shifter and brake 
>> units. But these look like they’re designed primarily for a Rinko-type bike 
>> or something with S&S couplers for easy disassembling, and not necessarily 
>> for cockpit swapping. Any ideas/suggestions as to how I can pull this off? 
>> Or can someone explain to me why this doesn’t seem to really be a thing, 
>> despite what a brilliant idea it sounds like? Am I missing something 
>> totally obvious to everyone else? 
>> Thanks y’all, 
>>
>> ~Mark 
>> Raleigh, NC
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[RBW] Gus Boots Willsen Beorn New Bike Day!

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

In which I ride freewheel for the first time in eighteen months, put in forty 
miles in the first two days, watch in amazement as spring turns to winter in a 
mountain glen with the sun shining and fat fluffy snow flakes and early spring 
butterflies ride the same gusting winds, and I discover that Rivendell’s Gus 
Boots Willsen, whom my daughters named Beorn of Tolkien’s “The Hobbit,” loves 
all terrains climbing and descending with elegance and grace, as only bears can 
do.
https://deaconpatrick.org/new-bike-day

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed

[ascpgh]

At a race my company promoted and operated BITD, a young rider hot out of 
triathlons in Texas named Lance was riding a mash-up of bar end shifter for 
the front derailleur and an STI lever for the rear. He preferred the 
infinite trim available to the friction bar end that the STI couldn't 
match. I agreed then. He had to comply with sponsors (Shimano) and run all 
STI the next year. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 3:42:31 PM UTC-4, S wrote:
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> +1 on friction front, index back, and +1 on using Shimano shifters that 
> can do both. 

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[RBW] Re: Berthoud Saddles

[Collin A]

Doing a little digging (because I am looking to replace my brooks that has 
eaten 3 pants now), it looks like the Aubisque saddle is the replacement to 
the mente and brings the model more in-line with their other models. Still 
just as wide it seems.

https://berthoudcycles.fr/en/1371-leather-saddle-aubisque-brown.html

On Wednesday, April 10, 2019 at 12:25:12 PM UTC-7, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
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> Just have to chime in since there isn't normally a lot of chatter around 
> Berthoud saddles.  As much as I adore Brooks, the Mente is one of my all 
> time favorites.  I have alt bars on all my bikes except for the Roadini 
> which has Albaastache and the Mente works very well for me.  I like the 
> long nose and sleek profile from the side.  Quality abounds on these 
> saddles.  I've noticed the Mente is getting harder to find available.  Not 
> sure if they are phasing it out?
>
> On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 8:24:45 AM UTC-4, David Wadstrup wrote:
>>
>> I really like Berthoud saddles.  The Mente to me is the best saddle for 
>> very upright riding positions.  Mainly because I don't have to ride with 
>> the nose super high like I do with the Brooks.  I also like the Aspin for 
>> bikes with drop bars.  I've been wondering, though, what the 
>> Soulor/Galibier is like.  It's a narrower, racier saddle.  Does anyone here 
>> have any experience with this saddle?  Is it too narrow?  Noticeably less 
>> comfortable than the Aspin?
>>
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[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed

[ascpgh]

Prior to a group ride last night I spoke with a an early arriving rider who 
not only made me feel alien for a steel frame but was amazed at the danger 
I courted for not having brifters. He felt bar end shifters were more 
dangerous than DT levers. I did not tell him they were friction. 

He asked if my bike was really that old or if I had it made that way. It 
was incomprehensible to him that all the "up to the moment" gear was not to 
everyone's preference. I started recalling a reader here or at iBOB who 
said a group ride considered banning non brifter bikes for being "unsafe". 
This ride included a not allowed by UCI TT bike with pronghorn bars. 

I did not see that gentleman after the start and rode the majority of the 
miles with a friend on a metallic framed bike. We gravitate to each other 
in groupings where buying power fails to equate riding skills. The latest 
hot set-up cannot overcome that. Riding my Rambouillet in friction mode 
didn't slow me down up the hills, down the hills or in tight groups. I like 
it that way and am hard pressed to pick a drivetrain for my project bike 
that is starting fabrication today in Brooklyn. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 1:41:24 PM UTC-4, Drw wrote:
>
> once set up, I like indexing marginally more than friction but ive 
> found that the freedom and ease of mixing and matching parts that friction 
> allows makes my life so much easier that it vastly outweighs any minor 
> benefits of indexing.  I'd only friction shift up to 9 speed though, and 
> preferably 8. 
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[RBW] 650B wheels?

[Carla Waugh]

I can’t decide about wheels and might rather do a set for my 650B bike. I would 
be using it for light gravel, dirt and road. If you have suggestions on hubs 
and rims please  let me know. My shop would be building them. 

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Re: [RBW] 650B wheels?

[Steve Palincsar]

The Pacenti Brevet seems to be the top classic looking rim brake 650B 
rim right now.


On 4/10/19 5:51 PM, Carla Waugh wrote:

I can’t decide about wheels and might rather do a set for my 650B bike. I would 
be using it for light gravel, dirt and road. If you have suggestions on hubs 
and rims please  let me know. My shop would be building them.


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[RBW] Re: 650B wheels?

[Collin A]

Carla, a few questions for ya:


   1. Hub spacing? 
   2. Desired tire size? 
   3. Drivetrain speed? 
   4. Rim or disc? 
   5. Will it be fully loaded, i.e. bikepacking/touring?

There are quite a few initial decisions to be made before one can recommend 
a particular hub or rim. Try to stick with industry-standard bearing sizes 
(cartridge 6903/6803 or loose) for easier maintenance and sourcing, spoke 
lengths and type (j-bend for strength), non-proprietary nipple size and 
access for mid-ride truing etc. 

Once you answer those 5 questions, a better recommendation can be given.

Cheers,
Collin

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> I can’t decide about wheels and might rather do a set for my 650B bike. I 
> would be using it for light gravel, dirt and road. If you have suggestions 
> on hubs and rims please  let me know. My shop would be building them. 

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[RBW] Re: 650B wheels?

['islaysteve' via RBW Owners Bunch]

As an (admittedly heavier) alternative to the Pacenti rims, Velo Orange has 
their Diagaonale rims on sale for about $45.  These are nice looking rims, 
I have them on my Bleriot and they have been fine on the road and the 
somewhat rough C&O canal towpath.  Cheers, Steve


On Wednesday, April 10, 2019 at 5:51:47 PM UTC-4, Carla Waugh wrote:
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> I can’t decide about wheels and might rather do a set for my 650B bike. I 
> would be using it for light gravel, dirt and road. If you have suggestions 
> on hubs and rims please  let me know. My shop would be building them. 

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[RBW] Re: 650B wheels?

[Ash]

Velocity Atlas was the recommendation from Rivendell's Rich when I 
mentioned similar usage needs.
I had them on my 51cm Appaloosa.

On my new 46cm Appaloosa I have Cliffhangers because I wanted to go for 
 wider tires like Compass RTP and run them tubeless.  I use this bike on 
gravel trails and around the town with grocery loads etc.  Both these 
wheels are on the heavier side, but they feel bombproof. 



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> I can’t decide about wheels and might rather do a set for my 650B bike. I 
> would be using it for light gravel, dirt and road. If you have suggestions 
> on hubs and rims please  let me know. My shop would be building them. 

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[RBW] Re: 650B wheels?

[Carla Waugh]

It’s a nine speed
I have Compass 42
Rim brake 
No heavy touring

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[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

My demo Gus Boots came with XT 1x11 indexing. I am impressed so far with how it 
shifts except for a few things: 1. though it shifts semi-responsively to lower 
gears, shifting to higher gears is reluctant; 2. it requires coaxing to get 
into the highest gear. I’m unsure how to solve that. With friction, it would be 
easy, but I doubt an 11x and friction play well together and it may not even be 
an option.

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed

[Ash]

When I assembled my first Riv 2 years ago, I bought Microshift 9 speed 
shifters from HQ along with the frame and other parts.  Mounted them on the 
inside of handlebar, so rear was friction and front was indexed. This 
shifter had no option to switch between.  Ran this setup for a year with no 
issues.  The whole setup was rock-solid.

But, I have a bit of OCD tendencies.  I would often double check (with 
gentle push) the rear shifter position.  When Rivendell started carrying 
trigger shifters I bought the Deore version.  It was super easy to setup. 
 Been 4 around months.  Works flawlessly with XT, Altus and Sora RD's. 
 Unless it turns out unreliable (meaning if it breaks within 5 years or I 
have to open it before that for maintenance), I've decided to stay with it.

On a road bike that I have converted to use Albatross bars, I have 10 speed 
friction shifter. This is because apparently there is no trigger shifter 
out there that's compatible with Campy Veloce 10 DR.




On Tuesday, 9 April 2019 08:49:44 UTC-7, Friend wrote:
>
> I am getting ready to build up an AHH frame.  I am planning on putting 
> noodle bars on it and having it be 3/9 with bar-end shifters.  I'm 
> wondering whether people here prefer friction or indexed shifters, and why. 
>  Would love to hear any thoughts.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed

[Steve Palincsar]

Have you tried adjusting cable tension? Usually, reluctance to shift to 
higher gears indicates excessive cable tension.  If that was the case, 
you'd expect pretty snappy downshifting.  On the other hand, 
"semi-responsive" to downshift, "reluctant" to upshift sounds like the 
whole thing is sluggish.  Is there excessive friction in the cable run?  
Gunk in the plastic cable guide doohickey under the bottom bracket? Crud 
in the housing loop at the rear derailleur?  Poorly finished housing 
ends casing cable drag?



On 4/10/19 6:44 PM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:

My demo Gus Boots came with XT 1x11 indexing. I am impressed so far with how it 
shifts except for a few things: 1. though it shifts semi-responsively to lower 
gears, shifting to higher gears is reluctant; 2. it requires coaxing to get 
into the highest gear. I’m unsure how to solve that. With friction, it would be 
easy, but I doubt an 11x and friction play well together and it may not even be 
an option.

With abandon,
Patrick


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[RBW] Gus Boots Willsen Beorn New Bike Day!

[J Imler]

Looks like great fun. Enjoy your bike, Deacon Patrick!

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Re: [RBW] Gus Boots Willsen Beorn New Bike Day!

[Ed Fausto]

Very nice story Deacon on your GBW bike ride!
I see you have 1x gearing, what is the specs of your rear cassette?

> On 11 Apr 2019, at 5:37 AM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> In which I ride freewheel for the first time in eighteen months, put in forty 
> miles in the first two days, watch in amazement as spring turns to winter in 
> a mountain glen with the sun shining and fat fluffy snow flakes and early 
> spring butterflies ride the same gusting winds, and I discover that 
> Rivendell’s Gus Boots Willsen, whom my daughters named Beorn of Tolkien’s 
> “The Hobbit,” loves all terrains climbing and descending with elegance and 
> grace, as only bears can do.
> https://deaconpatrick.org/new-bike-day
> 
> With abandon,
> Patrick
> 
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> www.CatholicHalos.org
> www.DeaconPatrick.org
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[RBW] Gus Boots Willsen Beorn New Bike Day!

[in Dallas nick]

Congratulations  Patrick!




What a great  rig!




It's even more special your wife gifted it to you.




Very special indeed!




I hope you have many great adventures on it.




As usual  some excellent and fun pics.




I particularly like the one of you going through the rocky section. 




Paul in Dallas 


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Re: [RBW] Re: 650B wheels?

[John McBurney]

I think that the rim is the issue. Then disc or rim. I had a set of 700 c
disc wheels Built up with Velocity NoBS 32 spoke rims. No pretty but very
strong and cost effective. Atlas without eyelets and polishing.

I spec’d Sapim Strong spokes. Sapim uses the same steel for Strong which is
as I understand it single butted and heavier gushiest as in C X-ray whole
DT Swiss uses less strong steel for their higher gauge Spokes. Also specd
brass nipples.

Although really expensive, HED Belgium might be an option for an ultimate
wheel set. Gran Bois are on sale at Compass. Might be a good option if
fiberless isn’t important. Sure are pretty.

When I rebuild my current 650b wheels I will probably spec Pacenti and
Sapim Strong spokes with brass nippples.

John

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> It’s a nine speed
> I have Compass 42
> Rim brake
> No heavy touring
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Re: [RBW] Re: 650B wheels?

[Steve Palincsar]

That was the other one, with the name I couldn't remember earlier when I 
suggested the Pacenti Brevet. If you want a non-classical appearance, 
the HED Belgium is a good candidate.


On 4/10/19 7:26 PM, John McBurney wrote:


Although really expensive, HED Belgium might be an option for an 
ultimate wheel set. Gran Bois are on sale at Compass. Might be a good 
option if fiberless isn’t important. Sure are pretty.


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Re: [RBW] Quick cockpit swap (say that 10x fast)

[Andrew Letton]

 I have multiple cockpits for both my Bombadil and my All-Rounder. As they both 
have canti brakes, I use the BG couplers only for the shift cables. As someone 
else mentioned, I release the brake cables from the straddle cable. Releasing 
the couplers, disconnecting the straddle cables, removing the shifter boss 
cable stops, and removing the stem takes only a couple of minutes. If you're 
careful with shifter cable lengths, you won't have to adjust the adjusters more 
than a fraction of a rotation, if at all, when you swap bars.
My only complaint with the BG couplers is that the chrome on them is really 
lousy and it has flaked off of most of my couplers, resulting in rusty steel 
couplers. It does not affect the function, only the appearance.
I'm presently setting up a new cockpit for the Bombadil based on the Crust 
675mm Towel Rack bars. All that's left to do is the bar tape. They do look a 
bit odd, being so wide, but they're still narrower than modern 700mm MTB bars, 
and the Bombadil is my MTB, so there! :-)
In a few months, when our babe is old enough, I plan to attach a Yepp Mini baby 
seat to the Bosco Bombadil cockpit, so I expect to get lots of practice 
swapping cockpits between "take baby for a ride" and "bike camping" modes.
cheers,Andrew

On Wednesday, April 10, 2019, 11:43:59 PM GMT+10, esoterica etc 
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Howdy all,

I’m looking into possible ways on how to construct a “quick release” method for 
easy swapping of cockpits. My Atlantis currently has Choco bars on it which I 
really like and are great for country rambles, but there are often times I wish 
for a different setup, such as drop bars or a Jones bar, etc. Since the 
Atlantis (and most other Riv’s) are billed as all-rounders/multi-purpose bikes, 
I figured one way to really use them to their fullest potential would be to 
have two or more fully-built cockpits ready to swap depending on your mood 
and/or terrain you plan to ride on any given day. Makes sense, right?

So my question to the group is: has anyone tried doing this? I’ve looked at 
using something like the Bruce Gordon couplers, although the BG couplers are 
only for shifter cables and he doesn’t have couplers for brake cables. Or maybe 
the Richey Quick Disconnect, which have both shifter and brake units. But these 
look like they’re designed primarily for a Rinko-type bike or something with 
S&S couplers for easy disassembling, and not necessarily for cockpit swapping. 
Any ideas/suggestions as to how I can pull this off? Or can someone explain to 
me why this doesn’t seem to really be a thing, despite what a brilliant idea it 
sounds like? Am I missing something totally obvious to everyone else?
Thanks y’all,

~Mark
Raleigh, NC

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[RBW] Re: Gus Boots Willsen Beorn New Bike Day!

[tc]

Patrick,
So glad that Beorn finally ambled up your way - congrats!  No doubt his 
wide and mighty paws kept you safe and stable.  There's got to be a proper 
brown 

 
repaint coming soon :)

Tom

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[RBW] Re: Gus Boots Willsen Beorn New Bike Day!

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks, all!

Ed, I'm unsure the exact specs. Very low and plenty high enough. If the gear 
calculations I ran at some point are close, low is 18", high is mid-70". 

Aye, Tom. We puzzled reconciling the bright spring sage with Beorn, and 
realized how easy it is to do given his proclivity for bees and flowers. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick 

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[RBW] 650B wheels?

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

This may sound ridiculous to some, but if I were putting together a new 
wheelset right now, I'd get whatever brake tracked rims were great (Pacenti, 
Velocity,etc...) and some disc brake ready hubs (white industries?). I'd then 
go to work on those rims with a couple of winter's of salty slime and dirt 
using rim brakes (lightening them up!?) Then get another lifetime out of them 
on a disc brakes bike. It's like buying two wheelsets for slightly more than 
the price of one. Sure, maybe you'll never have a disc braked bicycle, but 
maybe you will? Maybe someone with a disc braked bike would buy those beausaged 
wheels from you for their disc bike? Unforseeable future proofing?
Maybe
-Kai

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[RBW] Re: Wheel question

[Mike Godwin]

I just laced up a set of Pacenti Brevet rims on 6800 hubs. Rims are nice. 
Absolutely no problem with mounting Pari Moto tires. Just a short time ago, 
the same question about 650b rims came up, someone posted here or ibob list 
indicating the VO 650b rims were a PIA for tire mounting. Perhaps the sale 
items are that batch of rims that are a poor match for tires.

MIke SLO CA

On Monday, April 8, 2019 at 1:16:28 PM UTC-7, ted wrote:

> No doubt the WI track hubs are well worth considering. 
> There are more discriminators between White and Phil than just preload 
> adjustment. 
> White probably lighter than Phil. 
> White mounts with hex bolts on the axels, you’ll want a peanut butter 
> wrench in your patch kit, and have to slide your rear hub out of the 
> dropout lengthwise (some folks find that an issue with fenders). 
> With Phil you can pack a generic long handle hex wrench and you have the 
> option to pull the hex head axel stubs and just drop the rear wheel. 
> The exquisite white freewheel (priced accordingly) should spin right on 
> the freewheel side of either brands flip flop hub. 
> The white rear hub will have their proprietary splined interface on the 
> fixed side instead of the standard threads with lh lock ring. Though the 
> Phil uses standard fixed threads they are cut a bit thick (?) and don’t 
> work with some plated cogs (e.g. euro Asia). 
> If you’ve no interest in fixed, Phil does fw only (either one sided or 
> fw/fw flip flop). I don’t know if White offers those options. They aren’t 
> listed on the web site, but neither are 135 old T11 rear hubs and I’ve got 
> one of those on my AHH. So maybe you could special order em.

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[RBW] Re: 650B wheels?

[Ash]

This's a fantastic idea.  I'm going to keep it in mind when I get new 
wheels next.



On Wednesday, 10 April 2019 19:01:59 UTC-7, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY wrote:
>
> This may sound ridiculous to some, but if I were putting together a new 
> wheelset right now, I'd get whatever brake tracked rims were great 
> (Pacenti, Velocity,etc...) and some disc brake ready hubs (white 
> industries?). I'd then go to work on those rims with a couple of winter's 
> of salty slime and dirt using rim brakes (lightening them up!?) Then get 
> another lifetime out of them on a disc brakes bike. It's like buying two 
> wheelsets for slightly more than the price of one. Sure, maybe you'll never 
> have a disc braked bicycle, but maybe you will? Maybe someone with a disc 
> braked bike would buy those beausaged wheels from you for their disc bike? 
> Unforseeable future proofing?
> Maybe
> -Kai

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[RBW] 650B wheels?

[Joe Bernard]

As James at Analog already mentioned White Industries hubs and Sapim spokes, 
here's the Atlantis I just bought from him. WI rear, Schmidt Dyno front, 650B x 
43 tubeless tires on Cliffhanger rims. Those babies will take you anywhere you 
want to go.

 https://www.analogcycles.com/product/demo-rivendell-atlantis/

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