[RBW] Re: FS: 62cm 2016 Sam Hillborne

[Jeffrey B]

Price drop to $1250

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Re: [RBW] Re: Parts FS

[nawrock]

Can do Bo, will send when payment recieved, please include $5 for shipping. 
thanks, 
Dave 

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Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 7:21:55 PM 
Subject: [RBW] Re: Parts FS 

I will gladly take the interrupters 
Bo 
Bellingham 
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[RBW] Re: 26x1.75-2" tire recommendations

[Philip Kim]

WTB All terrain 1.95, big bens come in 2.00. of course there are the rat 
traps...

On Wednesday, August 17, 2016 at 8:15:03 PM UTC-4, drew wrote:
>
> I got used to having bikes with real big clearances and overestimated my 
> capability on this 84 trek 890 I'm working on. 2.1 knobby tires are rubbing 
> a bit (measure 2.5 at the knobs)
>
> This bike is going to be used on mostly on pavement and fire roads, no 
> crazy trails or extreme mud. My wife is pretty cautious.
>
> Calipers say I have 56mm clearance at the tightest spot, and I'd like to 
> go as big as possible. I guess that means something like a 1.75 with knobs, 
> or a 2.0 slick that maybe measures a bit smaller. 
>
> Puncture protection and longevity > suppleness
>
> Seems like there are a lot of really low end hybrid type tires that fit 
> this bill but not sure if any are worth the time. 
>
> Ideas?
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Some recent Gravel & Grind Riv builds and a last plug for our Riv and B-stone owners Bunch Ride Sunday the 14th

[Ryan Thompson]

Excellent ride report Jeff.  I couldn't make it due to some scheduling 
conflicts but was able to ride for an hour on Sunday and it was HOT.

I'll try to make it next time.

Ryan
Arlington, VA

On Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 8:04:22 AM UTC-4, Jeff wrote:

> I'm not much of a storyteller, but here goes - my experience with the 
> first annual Gravel & Grind Riv/BoB ride...
>
> Gravel & Grind is a special bike shop.
>
> I arrived at G&G on Sunday around 1:00 PM I think, whereas James (G&G 
> co-owner) suggested gathering between 11:00 and 2:00, and riding out 
> shortly after 2:00, so I was one of the last ride attendees to show up. 
> Parked outside G&G were an array of smart looking bike for sale, but I was 
> focused on the small array of Hunqapillars, Atlanti and Bridgestones. I 
> enjoyed an iced coffee while hanging outside to remain acclimated to the 
> heat. I think it was in 90's and the heat index may have bumped over 100 
> degrees, but there was a bit of shade and a slight breeze out front of the 
> shop.
>
> As we set out for the ride there were a few Hunq's, Atlanti, an MB-1 or 
> two and Tracy, co-owner, on an RB-1. If not for Tracy's RB-1 I think I'd be 
> riding the skinniest tired bike - my Sam with Compass Barlow Pass 700x38 
> tires. This was our route:
>
> https://ridewithgps.com/routes/15503887
>
> We angled our way out of Frederick and found some reasonably pleasant 
> country-ish roads to pedal through. I think it was 12 of us at that time, 
> maybe 11. Though spirits were high, it was hot. Evil hot. I was carrying 
> two 24oz. Kleen Kanteen bottles in my bottle cages and I had a 40oz. one 
> stowed in my saddlebag. After pedaling a third of the way to our 
> destination and turnaround point, I was thinking I didn't have remotely 
> enough water. We stopped at a sketchy convenience store where I bought a 
> giant can of sweet tea and some chocolate milk. The other folks chose 
> similar quantities of cold beverages, salty snacks and maybe some ice 
> cream. We lost our first rider to the heat at this rest stop. I strongly 
> considered joining him in turning back. I didn't.
>
> We saddle back up and shortly thereafter we left the pavement. The fire 
> road we were on immediately started accruing elevation and conditions were 
> mixed between hard-packed easy-going to slightly loose and/or rock-strewn. 
> We were shaded for the most part, but the heat was still rough. I found may 
> way to my collection of little-ring/big-cogs and stayed with this 
> collection for much of the next hour (or more, probably not less, it's a 
> blur) as we just pushed our way to the top. The scenery was quite nice and 
> the company stellar, so despite the heat and climbing, I was having a good 
> time.
>
> I've been off the bike for a few weeks thanks to a broken toe, and though 
> I otherwise ride almost daily, I haven't had a chance to put on many miles 
> at a time for the past handful of months, so I might have suffered a bit 
> more than I would have, say at this time last year when I was riding every 
> day, including long rides nearly every weekend. At some point I'm pretty 
> sure I was the lanterne rouge, but that didn't seem to be a big deal.
>
> I only had to use the 2-footed gear once, when I lost traction on a steep 
> and loose section of fire road and there was no recovering under pedal 
> power - else, the Barlow Pass tires performed admirably.
>
> We reached the top of our climb and traversed a short section of slightly 
> rugged singletrack before we came to a beautiful little pond. Most folks 
> enjoyed a cooling swim in the pond, while I held back on the shore, unsure 
> of my still frail toe on an uneven pond floor. Moderately cool and 
> downright warm adult beverages and salty snacks were passed around and we 
> relaxed for a bit before we began our screaming descent downhill.
>
> I've descended some long and steep paved downgrades and a few hard-packed 
> fire roads, but nothing like the fire road we rolled down to get back to 
> town. It was rocky and rutted and loose at enough points to have me riding 
> overly cautiously over many segments. I was certainly the lanterne rouge 
> behind more skilled riders, except for John who apparently kept with shop 
> ride tradition of flatting in the watershed. 
>
> We reached paved roads again and enjoyed a fairly brisk slightly downhill 
> pace back into town as we watched threatening clouds roll around the sky. 
> Just at the edge of downtown we became separated at a traffic light when 
> the sky opened up and raindrops the size of small potatoes began pelting 
> us. My group of 4 at the front decided to keep riding as the second group 
> behind us contained James while my group had Tracy, so we knew we could get 
> back.
>
> I immediately recognized that in most cases I'd be a bit surly to be 
> getting dumped on as such, but some of my best and certainly most memorable 
> rides have ended this way. We cruised through downtown Frederick

[RBW] Re: 26x1.75-2" tire recommendations

[Michael Morrissey]

Post pictures of the 1985 870!  I want to see it!  It's great how the 
vintage Treks are the gateway drug to Rivendell ownership.

m



On Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 1:32:46 AM UTC-4, drew wrote:
>
> That's a great 830. I also have an 85' 870 with 2.5 tires and room to 
> spare. I didn't even check the 890 before getting the tires because of 
> this, but it's a significantly tighter squeeze. The fork crown is about a 
> half an inch narrower, and same thing for the chainstays. 
>
> Still, a really cool bike. My wife is 5'2 about 100lbs and not gonna go 
> crazy on dirt, so the narrower tires should be ok. 
>

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[RBW] Re: 26x1.75-2" tire recommendations

[Michael Morrissey]

I've also been wondering if slightly skinnier tires were the course of 
action (1.5" or 1.75"), could you run nice Honjo 650b fenders on the old 
Trek?


On Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 11:16:33 AM UTC-4, Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
> Post pictures of the 1985 870!  I want to see it!  It's great how the 
> vintage Treks are the gateway drug to Rivendell ownership.
>
> m
>
>
>
> On Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 1:32:46 AM UTC-4, drew wrote:
>>
>> That's a great 830. I also have an 85' 870 with 2.5 tires and room to 
>> spare. I didn't even check the 890 before getting the tires because of 
>> this, but it's a significantly tighter squeeze. The fork crown is about a 
>> half an inch narrower, and same thing for the chainstays. 
>>
>> Still, a really cool bike. My wife is 5'2 about 100lbs and not gonna go 
>> crazy on dirt, so the narrower tires should be ok. 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Some recent Gravel & Grind Riv builds and a last plug for our Riv and B-stone owners Bunch Ride Sunday the 14th

[WETH]

Jeff,
Nice write-up.  I arrived about 11:30am to see the store, enjoy the coffee, and 
meet some new folk and catch up with friends.  It was too hot for me to ride. I 
must have just missed you.  Hopefully next time.
Erl

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[RBW] Re: FRAME PUMP SUGGESTIONS

[stevef]

If your old Blackburn failed-take it to a shop and exchange it-they have a 
lifetime warranty.  I'd have one mini and one floor pump replaced no 
questions asked, both years old.  Just handed them to my shop guy and he 
handed me a new one off the rack.  

If you just need or want another pump, I'd recommend another 
Blackburn--with the warranty, you'll never need to buy another.  Unless you 
want to...B-)

Steve

On Tuesday, August 16, 2016 at 5:30:56 PM UTC-4, Jon Dukeman,central 
Colorado wrote:
>
> *Its been a while since I bought a frame pump.*
> *I'm looking for a short one that fills the tires fast and works every 
> time and*
> *that can be mounted at the bottle cage like my old Blackburn Mamouth.*
> *With a torn rotator cuff the short pumps are easier for me to operate 
> than say a long Zephal.*
> *Thanks in advance.*
> *Jon*
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Parts FS

[bo richardson]

On Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 3:45:40 AM UTC-7, Dave Nawrocki wrote:
> Can do Bo, will send when payment recieved, please include $5 for shipping.
> thanks,
> Dave
> 
> 
> From: "bo richardson" 
> To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 7:21:55 PM
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Parts FS
> 
> 
> I will gladly take the interrupters
> Bo
> Bellingham
> 360  6764838
> 
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I can't pm or pick up en email address with My iPad mini
If you send me a mailing address I will send you a cashiers check if that's ok.

Thanks

Bo

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Re: [RBW] Re: Parts FS

[Joe Bernard]

Go to Google Groups on the web, then scroll down and click Desktop. This let's 
you use the PM feature, which is something we all need to learn on our 
phones/pads for FS posts on this and the ibob lists. 

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Re: [RBW] Tandem Owners Group?

[René Sterental]

Congratulations!!!

On Wednesday, August 17, 2016, Michael Hechmer  wrote:

> tan...@hobbes.usc.edu
> 
>
> Remember, whatever direction your relationship is headed in, it will get
> there faster on a tandem.  Also remember, the stoker is always right.
>
> Congratulations on both the nuptials and the bike purchase
>
> On Wednesday, August 17, 2016 at 9:52:44 AM UTC-4, Conway Bennett wrote:
>>
>> I'm getting married in a couple weeks and our wedding is a nautical/bike
>> themed affair.  My baby said we needed a tandem as a "prop" and what my
>> baby wants my baby get ESPECIALLY when she's says to buy a new bike.  So,
>> after combing CL here in Chicago, the right bike at the right price came
>> along and now we own a very gently used Gary Fisher Gemini.  We took it for
>> a quick ride in the rain the other night and she loved it.  I can see
>> myself really getting into this.  So, is there a Google owners group for
>> tandems?
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Re: [RBW] Some recent Gravel & Grind Riv builds and a last plug for our Riv and B-stone owners Bunch Ride Sunday the 14th

[René Sterental]

Excellent report! I felt I was there!

René

On Thursday, August 18, 2016, WETH  wrote:

> Jeff,
> Nice write-up.  I arrived about 11:30am to see the store, enjoy the
> coffee, and meet some new folk and catch up with friends.  It was too hot
> for me to ride. I must have just missed you.  Hopefully next time.
> Erl
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[RBW] Re: 26x1.75-2" tire recommendations

[drew]

Here is the post I made about the 870 a while back. i could probably run a 1.75 
slick and get a fender in the 890..hmmm

https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/Trek$20870/rbw-owners-bunch/Uz3jlulBqok

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Re: [RBW] Some recent Gravel & Grind Riv builds and a last plug for our Riv and B-stone owners Bunch Ride Sunday the 14th

[Tony DeFilippo]

Jeff,

Excellent report!

I made it for the coffee and social (great to see you Erl and James!) but
missed the ride due to the baby not being quite ready for riding.

I've studied the G&G routes on ridewithgps before and they look great
though a lot more aggressive climbing profile wise compared to my DC area
towpath/rail trail and commute routes. I'm definitely intimidated by the
hills out there. I'm definitely excited to give them a try though!

I was really impressed by G&G in general, awesome store with great
atmosphere. I wish i didn't live 1hr+ away or else it would be a really
frequent visit. Still it was neat to be around so many like-minded riders
and admire all the thoughtful builds and styling frames. My mind has been
wandering towards fat or mid-fat bikes lately but Saturday was a reminder
of just how good I already have it with the Bomba/Saluki (and others).

I am looking forward to the next scheduled ride as well!

Tony



On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 12:28 PM René Sterental  wrote:

> Excellent report! I felt I was there!
>
> René
>
>
> On Thursday, August 18, 2016, WETH  wrote:
>
>> Jeff,
>> Nice write-up.  I arrived about 11:30am to see the store, enjoy the
>> coffee, and meet some new folk and catch up with friends.  It was too hot
>> for me to ride. I must have just missed you.  Hopefully next time.
>> Erl
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[RBW] Silver shifter covers

[Joe Bernard]

Them babies sure do hurt when they jam into your leg. What are folks using to 
cover them?

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[RBW] Re: Silver shifter covers

[Philip Kim]

maybe something like this?  

On Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 2:16:34 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
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> Them babies sure do hurt when they jam into your leg. What are folks using 
> to cover them?

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[RBW] Re: Silver shifter covers

[Bill Lindsay]

I have dipped Silver Shifters in PlastiDip, which is the rubbery stuff you 
use to make tool handles grippy.  That was strictly for looks and 
grippiness.  I know of no cover product for a Silver Shifter that would 
enable you to jam the shifter into your leg and have it not hurt.  Maybe if 
you figure out a way to cover your shifters with a tennis ball they 
wouldn't hurt.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 11:16:34 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
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> Them babies sure do hurt when they jam into your leg. What are folks using 
> to cover them?

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[RBW] Re: 26x1.75-2" tire recommendations

[David Banzer]

I briefly had a too-small-for-me Trek 890. They're really cool frames, but 
they're definitely not a mountain bike. 72.5/73 degree seat/head angles on 
the 21"-or-so frame. Trek grouped them together based on wheel size and 
called 26"-wheeled bikes 'all-terrain.' They're really more a touring/road 
bike that happens to take 26" wheels. I think they came with 1.75" tires or 
something smaller maybe, and really weren't intended for big tires.
To your question, I'd go with 1.75" Paselas.



On Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 12:13:09 PM UTC-5, drew wrote:
>
> Here is the post I made about the 870 a while back. i could probably run a 
> 1.75 slick and get a fender in the 890..hmmm
>
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/Trek$20870/rbw-owners-bunch/Uz3jlulBqok
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Re: [RBW] Silver shifter covers

[Steve Palincsar]

I've never jammed one into my leg, and can't imagine covering it with 
anything.



On 08/18/2016 02:16 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:

Them babies sure do hurt when they jam into your leg. What are folks using to 
cover them?



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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver shifter covers

[Steve Palincsar]

On 08/18/2016 02:53 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:
I have dipped Silver Shifters in PlastiDip, which is the rubbery stuff 
you use to make tool handles grippy.  That was strictly for looks and 
grippiness.  I know of no cover product for a Silver Shifter that 
would enable you to jam the shifter into your leg and have it not 
hurt.  Maybe if you figure out a way to cover your shifters with a 
tennis ball they wouldn't hurt.





No need to go as big as a tennis ball - one of these little red rubber 
thingies ought to do perfectly well.



or if you don't want to deal with the excess paddle, perhaps a clown 
nose would work as well?



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Re: [RBW] Silver shifter covers

[Joe Bernard]

Well then you are more adept at doing switchback turns with bar-ends on a 
Choco-Moose bar than I. Those Rustine thingies look like they'll work. 

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Re: [RBW] Silver shifter covers

[Steve Palincsar]

I only use drop bars.


On 08/18/2016 03:43 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:

Well then you are more adept at doing switchback turns with bar-ends on a 
Choco-Moose bar than I. Those Rustine thingies look like they'll work.



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[RBW] Re: Silver shifter covers

[sameness]

I've never spilled borscht on my tie. I've also never had borscht, and I 
don't own a tie.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

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Re: [RBW] Silver shifter covers

[Bill Lindsay]

Moving the shifters to thumbies or to the stem could also alleviate the 
problem, I suppose.  In extreme switchbacks, you might still get yourself 
with the handlebar end, though.  

On Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 12:43:04 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Well then you are more adept at doing switchback turns with bar-ends on a 
> Choco-Moose bar than I. Those Rustine thingies look like they'll work. 

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[RBW] Re: Covered Bridge Metric Century, Lancaster PA 8/21

[JohnS]

Thanks for the elevation profile, looks a lot like the rollers that I'm use 
to at home, so I think I'll go with the QB. The only difficult climb will 
be the one at the 33 mile point, which I think is after the lunch stop. 
I'll use the low gear on that one. The climb before it is drawn out, 
shouldn't be a problem. Hopefully the weather will cooperate. 

JohnS


On Thursday, June 23, 2016 at 11:13:39 AM UTC-4, JohnS wrote:
>
> Anyone interested in joining me for the Covered Bridge Metric Century in 
> Lancaster PA on 8/21? I had rode it about 7 years ago and it was a blast. 
> Very well organized with course marshals at most intersections waving the 
> riders on, almost non stop riding, plus you get to cross a bunch of covered 
> bridges. As I recall mostly rolling hills with a long climb just before the 
> mid point rest stop. At this time I'm planning to ride my Salsa Casseroll, 
> but would consider riding my 2 speed QB if we build a Riv contingency. I 
> would advise registering soon if you want to go. Details at...
>
> http://lancasterbikeclub.net/cbmc.html
>
> Thanks,
> JohnS
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Covered Bridge Metric Century, Lancaster PA 8/21

[Steve Palincsar]

On 08/18/2016 04:11 PM, JohnS wrote:
Thanks for the elevation profile, looks a lot like the rollers that 
I'm use to at home, so I think I'll go with the QB. The only difficult 
climb will be the one at the 33 mile point, which I think is after the 
lunch stop.


Lunch is at 36.4, so it's before lunch.

I saw a very funny thing on that climb once, a few years ago.  I'm 
grinding up at my typical sub-10 mph pace and this young woman comes 
blasting by me out of the saddle snarling something at me as she goes 
by; gets about 5 or 10 yards ahead of me and suddenly cuts hard right 
into a driveway just before the crest, wobbles to a stop, gets off - 
practically falls off - the bike and flops down on the ground totally 
exhausted and completely out of breath.



I'll use the low gear on that one. The climb before it is drawn out, 
shouldn't be a problem. Hopefully the weather will cooperate.


The current forecast has a 90% chance of thunderstorms "in the 
evening".  Of course, that doesn't mean we won't see any earlier in the 
day.  In any event, I'm bringing a bike with fenders.  You really don't 
want to be riding an open-wheeled bike in the rain on rural roads in the 
Amish country...


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[RBW] Re: New Clem-L Bike Day

[Jim D Massachusetts]

Joe,What is the rear rack?  Jim D   
 Massachusetts

On Wednesday, August 17, 2016 at 6:29:10 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> On Sunday, August 14, 2016 at 4:10:23 PM UTC-7, LLM wrote: 
> > The Clem-L Complete that I pre-ordered back in April, arrived this past 
> Friday.  (Happy dance!!)  The photo was taken today during my first grocery 
> run with the bike.  The approximately 11-mile round trip is my longest ride 
> to date since a 2-year disability layoff from cycling, and recent hip 
> replacements.  The low gearing covered for my still low levels of fitness 
> and aerobic capacity, as I huffed and puffed across the rolling hills of 
> Albany, NY.  If it had not been in the 90's with oppressively high 
> humidity, I could have gone further.  Aside from the thumb shifters, which 
> I am still figuring out how to use well, riding the bike is easy and fun. 
> > 
> > 
> > I added the "requisite" Mark's Rack with a Wald medium basket and medium 
> Sackville ShopSack. The AXE Victory frame lock (recently added to the Riv 
> site) fits easily over the P65 fenders.  I like not having to fumble with a 
> u-lock.  I've stowed a cable lock in the Sackville Multisack for securing 
> the front wheel and frame to bike racks. The gum grips are by Rustine, and 
> bell by Spurcycle.  I usually ride Brooks saddles, and I have a B67S that I 
> thought I would put on the bike.  However, I'm finding the stock saddle to 
> be pretty comfortable, at least for short hops, and for now, I like not 
> having to worry about rain falling on leather.  I have a Pletscher Clem 
> rack in the wings that I will add at some point.  I'll probably also swap 
> in the nice Wellgo platform pedals from my Surly.  For now, the bike has 
> all I need. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > My early impression is that the bike is going to be perfect for me! 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Linda 
>
> Hey Linda, here's a couple new pics of Joe Blue. I swapped the Noodles for 
> the Choco-Mooseses that were on my Clem just to see how I like it. Enjoy, 
> lovers of blue Rivs!

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[RBW] FS Brooks, Ortlieb, XT, Sugino, Suntour, Schwalbe, PDW...

[ant ritchey]

Hey all.  A mid-summer's workshop clean out.  A long list because my 
significant other has asked me to list some stuff for her, as well.  Ah, 
love.
  
Message off-list if you're interested.

Shimano Tiagra levers (the ones RBW sells), black hoods/silver levers, 
light use only  $25
Shimano MTB levers (the ones RBW sells), installed & removed  $20
Tektro Interruptors RL-720 black bracket/silver lever, light use only  $20
Shimano front derailer FD-2303, braze-on style w/ adapter clamp 31.8, 
silver, good condition  $15
Shimano front derailer FD-2303 31.8 clamp, black bracket/silver cage, good 
condition  $7
Shimano front derailer FD-M590, black clamp/silver cage, 34.9 clamp, brand 
new  $10
San Francisco to Santa Barbara Adventure Cycling Map, saw 1 week on the 
road, very good condition  $8 shipped
Schwalbe Big Apples 700x50, pair, <100 miles  $45/pair
Dura Ace bar end shifters, 9 Speed, light scuffing, good condition  $65/pair
Rivendell Silver bar end shifters, very good condition  $60/pair
Sugino XD2 175mm, 46-36-24, <200 miles, very good condition  $90
XT rear derailer, 9 speed, RD-M771, silver body/black cage, very good 
condition  $50
IRD Alpina front derailer (purchased from RBW) w/ Origin8 clamp, silver, 
very good condition  $30 w/ clamp
Shimano Alfine generator hub, brand new, 36h, silver,  $55
PDW Bourbon grips, black or brown, used but very good condition  $20/pair
Brooks B17 black, fair condition, less than 1cm of bolt-turning, no cracks 
or tears, some scuffing, text/email for pics $50 
Kenda Small Block Eight 29 x 2.1, folding, some wear on one tire, good 
condition,  $25/pair
XT headset, late 80's era, black, fair condition  $8
Ortlieb backpack, messenger "classic", black, good condition  $70
Truvativ Triple 172.5mm 52-42-30, silver/brushed, some scuffs but good 
condition  $20
105 front derailer, black clamp/silver cage, FD-5703, 28.6 clamp, light 
scuffing, good condition  $10
105 rear derailer, black body/silver cage, RD-5701, slight scuffing, good 
condition  $15
105 brifters, 2x10 spd, black, ST-5700, good condition  $50 
Suntour Mountech front & rear derailer, (from '84 stumpy) a lil dirty but 
otherwise very good condition,  $15/set
UNO post, 6061 brushed, never installed brand new, 27.0x300mm  $10
System 1 quill stem, (from '93 XO-2), 26.0 clamp, silver, good condition  
$10
Dia Compe 980 canti set, no pads, lil dirt but good condition  $10/set
Supernova E3 Pro headlight, grey w/ matching Airstream taillight, brand 
new  $160

PERSNICKETY TRADE INTEREST LIST:
Paul moon units, Paul rack adapter bolt , Schmidt edelux II, Son hub, Rat 
trap pass gumwall, Pass & Stow, Schwable Super Moto 26x2.35, WI duo 
freewheel, Salsa anything cage (silver), Nitto Albatross aluminum, 
Sackville medium saddlebag tan, Sackville shopsack tan (either size), Nitto 
m12 or similar, Carradice nelson longflap, Resist Nomad 26x2.25 gumwall, 
Sackville Backabike panniers tan, fancy-ish 650b wheelset, King Iris cages, 
Nitto dirt drop stem 8 or 10, older mtb f/f's sized 24" & up... 

Unless otherwise noted, shipping not included.  Paypal preferred. Send 
money to Friends & Fam please. 
Pictures & more info available via text ( 7too4-7five7-935ate). I'm in 
Portland, Oregon (Kenton) if you'd like to come by and take a look.

Thanks! -ant ritchey/pdx or

Apologies for the classic RBW/iBOB crosspost. 

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[RBW] ISO: Triple front derailer with flat cages

[Lungimsam]

Anyone know of any new model triple front derailers that are al silver and 
have flat cages, not any with those molded bump outs that can rub the chain?

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[RBW] Re: Hub Trub

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I've had this happen with my Clementine. I think the longer chain might 
make it more of an issue, too. I did not know about the extra strong double 
pawl set in the Silver rear hubs. I just don't backpedal on that bike any 
more. Also switching from the stock Sunrace thumbs to a stem shifter seemed 
to help, but that may have just coincided with my behavior change. It seems 
weird to get a more complicated derailleur to solve the problem of a more 
complicated hub. Well, I guess not weird, come to think of it, par for the 
course.

On Wednesday, August 17, 2016 at 8:25:18 AM UTC-4, William R. wrote:
>
> Had a nice early morning 16 mile mixed terrain ride. We had some storms 
> last night in the Hudson valley. The sandy soil along the Croton Acquaduct 
> trail was pretty soggy and fun. Things were noticeably better with the 
> Appaloosa's drive train this morning. Still, on the steepest paved descent 
> I got into the big ring and smallest cog, coasted, took a glance down and 
> the chain was laying on the stay. I back pedaled very slightly and the 
> chain would have dropped down further if I were not paying total attention 
> to what was happening.
>
> So... Bill, I will most likely contact you off list about that clutch 
> derailleur.
>
> Bill in Westchester, NY
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Covered Bridge Metric Century, Lancaster PA 8/21

[Kevin Lindsey]

I'm registered but, regretfully, will probably bail.  The NOAA website is 
predicting rain and a 70% chance of thunderstorms around Lancaster 
beginning about 9:00 a.m. on Sunday.   I have no desire to repeat my 
experience from last year's Civil War Century.
Although I'll miss the ride (which is supposed to be beautiful), the best 
way to ensure that you guys have perfect weather is for me to stay home and 
miss it on the assumption that it's going to rain.
Kevin

On Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 4:36:50 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
>
> On 08/18/2016 04:11 PM, JohnS wrote: 
> > Thanks for the elevation profile, looks a lot like the rollers that 
> > I'm use to at home, so I think I'll go with the QB. The only difficult 
> > climb will be the one at the 33 mile point, which I think is after the 
> > lunch stop. 
>
> Lunch is at 36.4, so it's before lunch. 
>
> I saw a very funny thing on that climb once, a few years ago.  I'm 
> grinding up at my typical sub-10 mph pace and this young woman comes 
> blasting by me out of the saddle snarling something at me as she goes 
> by; gets about 5 or 10 yards ahead of me and suddenly cuts hard right 
> into a driveway just before the crest, wobbles to a stop, gets off - 
> practically falls off - the bike and flops down on the ground totally 
> exhausted and completely out of breath. 
>
>
> > I'll use the low gear on that one. The climb before it is drawn out, 
> > shouldn't be a problem. Hopefully the weather will cooperate. 
>
> The current forecast has a 90% chance of thunderstorms "in the 
> evening".  Of course, that doesn't mean we won't see any earlier in the 
> day.  In any event, I'm bringing a bike with fenders.  You really don't 
> want to be riding an open-wheeled bike in the rain on rural roads in the 
> Amish country... 
>

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[RBW] Re: FRAME PUMP SUGGESTIONS

[Jon Dukeman,central Colorado]

Thanks Steve,
I didn't know about the lifetime warranty .My Mammoth pump still works.I 
want another pump so I don't have to keep moving the pump from bike to bike.
Jon

On Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 9:46:34 AM UTC-6, stevef wrote:

> If your old Blackburn failed-take it to a shop and exchange it-they have a 
> lifetime warranty.  I'd have one mini and one floor pump replaced no 
> questions asked, both years old.  Just handed them to my shop guy and he 
> handed me a new one off the rack.  
>
> If you just need or want another pump, I'd recommend another 
> Blackburn--with the warranty, you'll never need to buy another.  Unless you 
> want to...B-)
>
> Steve
>
> On Tuesday, August 16, 2016 at 5:30:56 PM UTC-4, Jon Dukeman,central 
> Colorado wrote:
>>
>> *Its been a while since I bought a frame pump.*
>> *I'm looking for a short one that fills the tires fast and works every 
>> time and*
>> *that can be mounted at the bottle cage like my old Blackburn Mamouth.*
>> *With a torn rotator cuff the short pumps are easier for me to operate 
>> than say a long Zephal.*
>> *Thanks in advance.*
>> *Jon*
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Clem-L Bike Day

[Joe Bernard]

Jim, it's a Nitto R10 bag support I bought from someone here. It's kinda 
minimalist, it doesn't double as a rack for a trunk bag or panniers (you might 
make a Small Loafer fit). I like it 'cause it supports the Carradice I 
sometimes run, without having that "I'm a big empty rack" look when I don't 
need any more than a bar tube. 

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[RBW] Re: 26x1.75-2" tire recommendations

['Eamon Nordquist' via RBW Owners Bunch]

FWIW, I'm currently running 1.75" Paselas and VO fluted 650b fenders on my 
'87 Trek Antelope (can't remember if it's an 830, or 850).  I did have to 
spread the fenders a little to get the radius right, but I still have TONS 
of clearance with a perfect fender line.  I'd love to try Rat Traps, but I 
don't think the VO fenders are wide enough (I think after spreading them, 
they are 54mm).

Eamon

On Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 8:18:28 AM UTC-7, Michael Morrissey wrote:

> I've also been wondering if slightly skinnier tires were the course of 
> action (1.5" or 1.75"), could you run nice Honjo 650b fenders on the old 
> Trek?
>
>
> On Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 11:16:33 AM UTC-4, Michael Morrissey wrote:
>>
>> Post pictures of the 1985 870!  I want to see it!  It's great how the 
>> vintage Treks are the gateway drug to Rivendell ownership.
>>
>> m
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 1:32:46 AM UTC-4, drew wrote:
>>>
>>> That's a great 830. I also have an 85' 870 with 2.5 tires and room to 
>>> spare. I didn't even check the 890 before getting the tires because of 
>>> this, but it's a significantly tighter squeeze. The fork crown is about a 
>>> half an inch narrower, and same thing for the chainstays. 
>>>
>>> Still, a really cool bike. My wife is 5'2 about 100lbs and not gonna go 
>>> crazy on dirt, so the narrower tires should be ok. 
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Silver shifter covers

[Joe Bernard]

I hear ya, Bill. After I sent this I started thinking about getting 
thumbshifters for that bar and putting the bar-ends back on the Noodles I just 
removed. I have cable splitters on my Appaloosa now, so I can put a second set 
on the Noodles and have both cockpits ready to swap when the mood hits. I tried 
the Choco-Moose - late of the just-sold Clem - thinking I would settle on a 
preference, but both bars are great on this bike. Time to spend more money!

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[RBW] ISO: Triple front derailer with flat cages

[Garth]

You never know , a few years ago I bought 2 great vintage Deore fd from  a 
seller on ebay for a song.  While they were not new in box there was no sign of 
any use at all.  These were few models later than the original Deore , all 
silver and flat inside the cage. I run one on my Bomabil and the other for 
another bike. I prefer the flat style every day of the year too.

You may not need a triple though, I use a 105 double with a 24/36/50 on one 
bike and it works fine. I think it was a 5500 or maybe 5600 model, from about 
'99 or 2000.  You can find such vintage ones and other models from lower lines 
that used 8 or 9 speed also on ebay , even some are NOS. 

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[RBW] Rat Trap Pass: reviews? impressions? poetic waxings?

[Patch T]

They've been out for just over a year now, yeah? More? 

Who has been riding them extensively, and can share some solid feedback? 
Where and how do you ride them? On what? With whom? And why?!?!

I'm interested in getting the Standards, but would like to read about the 
Extralights, too.

(If there's already the same thread, apologies, I searched but couldn't 
find it)

Love,
Patch


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[RBW] Re: FS: Blue Newbaum's

[Jock Dewey]

Hey, T-O-STAR Bobs:

We started hoarding Tressostar years ago fearing it was going away. Now 
we've got a pyramid of the beautiful stuff all piled up nicely on the 
bench. We sleep like a baby knowing it's there, ha. Quite a few different 
colors but mostly black. Lots of black as it ages better, IOHO. 

We must confess to stretching...really s-t-r-e-t-c-h-i-n-g...a thin 
couple-o-inches run of cheap 'cork' (what IS that?) across the tops to 
provide just a bit of kush behind the hoods mostly. You'd never know it was 
there but we've grown to like just that little bit of thickness.

BTW, to engage in some unabashed name dropping, my old riding pal, Lon 
Haldeman (we from NorIL), the undisputed champion of long distance cycling, 
always layered cloth tape. His palmares includes countless, legendary, 
epic, jaw-dropping rides, one after another, for decades. And when were all 
younger, the only wrappings were essentially Benotto plastic and 
Tressostar. Our T-starred arms and hands have aged just wonderfully and 
thankfully and gracefully we keep on keepin' on!

Sheathed in cloth always, from steamy Athens, GA.

Jock Dewey



On Tuesday, August 16, 2016 at 8:36:39 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> In my opinion, everybody should have a small box of Newbaums containing 
> one or two rolls of each of the colors you think you might like.  Then, 
> next time you need to wrap a bar, you shop from your internal inventory. 
>  If you are careful and keep the backing paper on the excess every time, 
> you can put the excess scraps in the same box and do a Grant Petersen style 
> patchwork wrap every once in a while.  
>
> I never would have done this Tri-Color Harlequin abomination if I didn't 
> have a box of Newbaums with green, light green and orange in there (among 
> several other colors)
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/28214856710 
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, ca
>
> On Tuesday, August 16, 2016 at 5:21:01 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Anybody need some bar tape? I have 3 rolls of dark blue new from Riv I 
>> was going to use on my Appaloosa, then decided to stick with green. $15 
>> shipped, which is a bit of a discount for discount lovers everywhere. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>> Vallejo, CA.
>> text 415-786-4623
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Blue Newbaum's

[Hunter Ellis]

All right, I'll give it a shot! I love the look and I love the feel of a 
skinny bar. I also suspect I'll have an easier time wrapping it (after 20 
or 30 gel-cork-ish wraps, I still mess it up in different ways each time).

 I'm relatively comfortable on my ride--I notice a little hand fatigue and 
numbness around 40 miles. I was thinking to myself today, even though it 
seems counter-intuitive, maybe pushing my seat BACK could shift some weight 
off my hands/arms into my legs/bootay? For fear of hi-jacking this thread, 
I'll search for the post that discussed hand pain a while back. Not that 
I'm suffering greatly!

On Wednesday, August 17, 2016 at 12:39:59 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Aye, it's crazy talk. Aye, if 100+ miles is a long ride. As Steve alludes 
> to, if you're relying on your handlebar covering for vibration dampening 
> the source of your problem is elsewhere. Could be too much weight forward 
> or in the wrong angle/position, and a saddle and/or handlebar/stem 
> adjustment is in order (play around with one thing at a time, learn from 
> failure, so it isn't failure. Grin.) Learn to absorb shock with knees and 
> elbows, ride plush tires, and slap a single layer of delicious cotton tape 
> on there! Grin. 
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick 
>
> On Wednesday, August 17, 2016 at 12:10:39 PM UTC-6, Hunter Ellis wrote:
>>
>> I'm interesting in trying cloth, but my intuition says that for long 
>> rides/tours there wouldn't be enough cushion or vibration dampening. Is 
>> that crazy talk? Do people use cloth for long rides? 
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 16, 2016 at 6:48:31 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> I agree, Bill, but I already have scraps of several other colors, plus 
>>> I'd like to get some pocket change back to buy...more Newbaum's from Riv! 
>>> Also, SOLD!
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] ISO: Triple front derailer with flat cages

[René Sterental]

Yes. I just installed one on my Atlantis with the triple René Herse
crankset that doesn't work with the regular triples.

You can find as many as you need in the online Soma Fabrications shop. It's
the Sun XCD front derailleur, all silver, works with 8, 9 or 10 speed
beautifully but it's braze-on, so you need to buy separately the adapter.
Soma is out right now, but RBW has them.f
http://store.somafab.com/sunxcdfrde8s.html

I also put the rear derailleur on the Atlantis, so it's now a full silver
colored traditional drivetrain, just like it's supposed to be! :-)

René

On Thursday, August 18, 2016, Lungimsam  wrote:

> Anyone know of any new model triple front derailers that are al silver and
> have flat cages, not any with those molded bump outs that can rub the chain?
>
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[RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass: reviews? impressions? poetic waxings?

[Gravel & Grind Espresso + Bikes]

I’ve had ‘em on my Hunqapillar for about half a year.  I commute, do fire 
roads, single track with rocks, short dirt road tours.  Tread wear is as to 
be expected from such a light tire.  Paselas they are not, for durability 
on the tread.  They also don’t grip nearly as well as Paselas, as I found 
when corning in the rain, and my whole bike flew out from under me, as did 
the guy’s bike right behind me, riding the same tire.   

Pluses:  great ride quality, I run em around 30 psi.  Low weight.  Look 
great.  
Downsides:  super thin.  They flat on any little sharp object.  Not gunna 
last more than 2000 miles, for me at least.  Maybe 1500, really.  Expensive.

Tubeless:  I didn’t want to run mine tubeless, but I set them up that way 
after repeatedly flatting on them.  2-3 flats for a weekend tour.  Can’t 
handle that.  I used orange seal enduro sealant and tape, and Stan’s 
valves.  No flats since, and that was 5 months ago.  

Recommendation: get em if light weigh, supple, basically bald tires sound 
like they might fit your riding style, and you are willing to convert to 
tubeless.  As a rule, when setting them up on customers bikes, I urge 
tubeless conversions, and most of the 12 pair or so I’ve sold go out the 
door tubeless.  

-james
co-owner of Gravel & Grind




On Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 7:16:59 PM UTC-4, Patch T wrote:
>
> They've been out for just over a year now, yeah? More? 
>
> Who has been riding them extensively, and can share some solid feedback? 
> Where and how do you ride them? On what? With whom? And why?!?!
>
> I'm interested in getting the Standards, but would like to read about the 
> Extralights, too.
>
> (If there's already the same thread, apologies, I searched but couldn't 
> find it)
>
> Love,
> Patch
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Some recent Gravel & Grind Riv builds and a last plug for our Riv and B-stone owners Bunch Ride Sunday the 14th

[Gravel & Grind Espresso + Bikes]

Just for the record, we do rides like this every Sunday night.  Check our 
facebook page for details on em, but they’re a regular thing, and the folks 
who come do the rides are all on the same basic program: smart bikes, go 
slow, ride hard stuff, find cool roads.  They just aren’t all Riv riders. 
 So if this ride sounds up your alley, just come on a normal Sunday shop 
ride.  Meet at 4, wheels down at 4:30.  To check mileage or general ride 
direction, just check on FB or Instagram the day of the ride.  There’ll be 
something posted there...  -James  


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[RBW] WTB: 160 or 165 cranks for Rivendell Rambouillet (trade for your Sugino 170s?)

[Lesli Larson]

I'm looking to swap out the stock 170 Sugino XD2 Cranks on my Rivendell 
Rambouillet.  I prefer riding 160 or 165 arms. 

I searched via eBay for my beloved TA cyclotourist cranks but have not had 
much success of late.

To economize and get this bike out the door, I'm wondering if anyone has 
Sugino 165 arms for the XD2 crank that they would like to trade for a pair 
of 170 cranks?

OR-

Do you have a TA cyclotourist crank in 160 or 165 that you would like to 
sell. Are there recommended compact surrogates with similar finish and 
low-Q factor?

Regards,

Lesli Larson
Eugene, OR

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[RBW] WTB: 160 or 165 cranks for Rivendell Rambouillet (trade for your Sugino 170s?)

[Jeffrey B]

Lesli,

These guys sell the Sugino 26-36-46 crankset in 165mm and 152mm for $115 

https://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=9824

Good luck with your search.

Jeff Bogdanovich
Arlington, VA

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Re: [RBW] ISO: Triple front derailer with flat cages

[Lungimsam]

So the sunxcd fd works with 1)triples 2)small chainrings?

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[RBW] Re: FS: Blue Newbaum's

[Lungimsam]

Cotton with Specialized Bar Phat pads underneath.

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