Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 1994 Bridgestone MB-1 (Pepper Grey Metallic) 52cm

[Johnny Alien]

I sold of the suspension stem (and shouldn't have I guess) because it 
wasn't really what I was after in a ride but they are very cool.  They pop 
up often enough for not too much money (unless they are brand new looking).

I do have the original bar just not the stem.  That stem is the only thing 
original that is missing.

Great bikea decent amount of interest so far but no one has committed 
just yet.

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Re: [RBW] Hilsen Populaire

[Steve Palincsar]

Nice photos.


On Sun, 2011-11-20 at 18:45 -0800, Brian Hanson wrote:
> I rode my AHH in the November Populaire 100k today with the Seattle
> Randonneurs.  This was my longest ride yet, and probably one of the
> coldest with most of the ride in the 20's and 30's.  I had two wool
> shirts and a light windbreaker vest which kept me plenty warm.  The
> only cold spots were my feetsies.  I met at least one other lister
> there, Stuart, who was also on his first rando ride.  It was a great
> day to be out, and the folks I rode with were all top notch friendly
> people.  The bike worked well.  I had it a bit over-racked in the
> front with the Platrack and just a lil 'ol Acorn Rando bag.  I also
> had a M/L Acorn saddle bag where I had an extra wool jersey and socks
> stashed in with my tools.  I definitely could have fit everything I
> brought into one bag, however.  The ride was uneventful with no flats
> or wipeouts that I saw.  One guy in a Ferrari having a good time on
> the open Sunday roads, but that's about it for drama.  I ended up not
> eating any of the food I brought :)  Just cookies at the controls.  I
> have a feeling it would change if I was doing a 200k + ride, however.

Indeed yes.  There's a world of difference between a 100km ride --
basically, the length of an ordinary weekend, only with the experience
of the controls -- and a 200km ride, which is a century plus another
25%.  Do some centuries before you jump to a 200km brevet.  In fact, do
some centuries and then do at least one Permanent Populaire (that would
push you to join RUSA, which is a Good Thing, and would help you save
money on the required reflective gear) as well.

And how's your experience riding at night?  That's one of the biggest
differences between centuries and brevets: every century I've ever
ridden wanted to clear the course long before sundown and the riders
would never ride in the dark, but it's an integral feature of
randonneuring.  And don't think for a minute that even 30 years'
commuting experience year round will prepare you for navigating after
dark.

>I'm looking forward to trying one of those in the next few months.
> Highly recommended!
> 
> 
> Good experience overall, and I have been wanting to try this based on
> all the great ride reports on this list.  Last night, I was pouring
> over the "what to pack" threads, and found the advice very helpful.

Good to hear!


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Re: [RBW] Re: Tool Tip - How To Undo Chain Masterlinks?

[jimD]

Joe,
I'm convinced. All my other attempts (hacks) with various different versions of 
pliers have 
only resulted in beaucoup expletives. 

Plus I get a add another bike tool!

-JimD

On Nov 20, 2011, at 8:42 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:

> Don't waste your life with this..get the Park tool. It's wonderful.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tool Tip - How To Undo Chain Masterlinks?

[jimD]

Well, as my dad used to ask, 'How are you holding your mouth'?

My efforts with pliers (all kinds) have been un-successful.
I've concluded that when it comes to master links I don't know how to hold my 
mouth right.
-JimD

On Nov 20, 2011, at 10:08 PM, rcnute wrote:

> I bend the chain at the link, press/pull the link apart, disconnect,
> reconnect, compress with needlenose pliers.  Never had a problem yet.
> I don't remove them that often though.
> 
> Ryan
> 
> On Nov 20, 1:29 pm, jimD  wrote:
>> I've been getting 9 speed chains from Riv and they come with masterlinks.
>> 
>> They have been great for installation but I've not figured out a 
>> straight-forward way to remove them.
>> 
>> Any tool tips for this?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> JimD
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[RBW] Re: Tool Tip - How To Undo Chain Masterlinks?

[Bill M.]

I've found that Channellock pliers work just fine, never had the need
for a specialized tool.

 Bill

On Nov 20, 1:29 pm, jimD  wrote:
> I've been getting 9 speed chains from Riv and they come with masterlinks.
>
> They have been great for installation but I've not figured out a 
> straight-forward way to remove them.
>
> Any tool tips for this?
>
> Thanks,
> JimD

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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project? 2011 version

[jimD]

I've just realized that my winter project is going to be learn how to undo the 
master link on my chain.

Oh, and then I'm going to try some of this stuff:
http://www.chain-l.com/EdPavelkaTest.html

Since it's winter now we should discuss chain lubrication for our fine 
Rivendell bicycles.

-JimD


On Nov 20, 2011, at 8:22 PM, Philip Williamson wrote:

>> Do not have much in the way of winter bike projects...
> 
> Congratulations! You are this year's winner!
> 
> Philip
> 
> Philip Williamson
> www.biketinker.com
> 
> On Nov 20, 3:24 pm, EricP  wrote:
>> Do not have much in the way of winter bike projects.  New bar tape and
>> possibly new cables and housing on the Sam Hillborne.  Otherwise, none
>> of the bikes needs anything big.  Was lazy and didn't install studded
>> tires this weekend.  Which meant no riding.  Hoping to get more winter
>> riding in this year.
>> 
>> Also, unlike the past couple of years, have no bike purchases on my
>> radar.  Thought about a fatbike but don't think I could justify it.
>> 
>> Oh, and try to see if I can ride a single speed bike during the
>> winter.   Could be fun.  Or frustrating.  Or both.
>> 
>> Eric Platt
>> St. Paul, MN
>> 
>> On Nov 20, 12:30 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> I absolutely love the Salsa/Linskey Ti bikes that are coming out.  The La
>>> Cruz, Vaya and Fargo in Ti are pretty amazing bikes!
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[RBW] Splats - Woulda Thunk It?

[jimD]

Yesterday I wore my Splats on what passes for a cold ride here in the San 
Francisco Bay Area.

It looked like rain, the roads were wet and I was inclined toward dry-ish feet.

It didn't rain but the temps were in the hi 40's low 50's. To  my surprise my 
feet were noticeably 
warmer than they would have been without Splats.

The only downside to the whole deal was my wife's raucous laughter when she saw 
me departing.
Splats are the most non-rascerish piece of cycling gear that I own. Lots easier 
to put on/take off
than my racer-ish shoe covers. 

-JimD

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Re: [RBW] Re: Noticed anything different about front bag handling

[Tim McNamara]

Glad this worked out for you, and it's nice to have a situation for comparison 
where there is one primary variable different.

But you mention something that I have read elsewhere, which is that "high 
trail" bikes (around 60 mm) can't change direction in mid turn.  This is not my 
experience; indeed the best handling bike I have ever ridden is my Ritchey road 
bike, which should have around 60 mm trail given its 73 or 73.5 head angle and 
45 mm fork offset on 700 x 25 mm tires.  I can easily flick the bike around 
objects in the road while cornering fast downhill.  Indeed, if one couldn't do 
that, this sort of geometry would not be the standard for professional racing 
bikes.  

On Nov 20, 2011, at 10:42 PM, Mojo wrote:

> Tom recommended changing my rake from stock 45mm to a custom 68mm. This took 
> the bike's trail from mid 60s to low 40s. Well the change with the new fork 
> was not immediately strange or at all drastic. Now the bike just responds 
> more quickly to my steering inputs. What I have noticed is that on fast 
> descents the bike no longer tracks 'as if it is on rails' but will change 
> course if I ask it to. You may or may not like that.

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[RBW] Re: Tool Tip - How To Undo Chain Masterlinks?

[Kelly Sleeper]

I just use my trusty chain tool .. avoid the master link and press the pin just 
enough to take the chain apart then press it back in when it's time to put it 
together.  I know... oh but that isn't supported and not good blah blah 
blah... but it's worked for years for me and many others. 
The chain on my Giant Tour Bike is held together for 5 years with pieces of 
three different chains I had on the wall when I put it together.  

There is best practice and there is what works... 

About a month ago I saw the park tool chain pliers and purchased them... as 
advertised they do make getting the master link apart very easy and will use 
them when at home.. on the trail I'll press the pin out and back in.

later

Kelly

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Re: [RBW] dropping roadies feels so good.

[René Sterental]

I, on the other hand, get passed by everyone and don't mind it a bit. I'd
like to see them pulling/pushing my heft and see if they'd even be riding...

Not that I'm not trying to do something about it, just not quite succeeding
yet. Getting passed is confirmation that I'm just not giving up yet.

Love your stories, though.

René

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[RBW] Re: dropping roadies feels so good.

[Peter Pesce]

I had the opposite experience. 

I saw a rider up in the distance as I approached the bottom of big hill. I 
was gaining, but not that quickly. As I caught up, I noticed it was a girl 
riding a comfort bike in flip-flops with her purse and some flowers in the 
front basket. Having just passed her as we approached the steepest 1/2 
mile, I made a point to pick up my pace so she wouldn't be close enough to 
actually hear me wheezing as I climbed! I made it up the hill fast, for me, 
and pulled over to catch my breath. I had barely come to a stop when the 
flip-flop girl rode by serenely, barely 100 feet behind me.

That's the day I learned I am slow

-Pete

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Re: [RBW] dropping roadies feels so good.

[James Warren]

They're not.

I know stubborn people who stop just short of telling me that they wouldn't be 
caught dead ever attaching anything resembling a bag to their bike. It means 
that the kinds of rides I like to do (overnighters) are never an option for us 
planning group events.

-Jim W.


On Nov 21, 2011, at 6:53 AM, René Sterental wrote:

> I'd like to see them pulling/pushing my heft and see if they'd even be 
> riding...

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Re: [RBW] dropping roadies feels so good.

[newenglandbike]

It's been said that a bicycle without fenders is just a toy.To me 
that's a little extreme, but makes a good point if the bicycle lives in an 
area that gets more than, say, 35 inches of rain per year.   However in my 
opinion it's not too extreme to say the same thing about provision for 
carrying cargo, however small (and not just water bottles).   

NOT that there's anything wrong with toys(!)-   but I think bicycles 
deserve a better purpose at least once in their lifetimes.



On Monday, November 21, 2011 10:15:03 AM UTC-5, James Warren wrote:
>
>
> They're not.
>
> I know stubborn people who stop just short of telling me that they 
> wouldn't be caught dead ever attaching anything resembling a bag to their 
> bike. It means that the kinds of rides I like to do (overnighters) are 
> never an option for us planning group events.
>
> -Jim W.
>
>
> On Nov 21, 2011, at 6:53 AM, René Sterental wrote:
>
> > I'd like to see them pulling/pushing my heft and see if they'd even be 
> riding...
>
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[RBW] Re: Tool Tip - How To Undo Chain Masterlinks?

[Michael Hechmer]

At the risk of repeating myself the Connex master link is a completely 
different design from the Sram.  All I have to do to remove them is take 
some tension off the chain, turn the quick link vertical and pop it open 
with my hands.  It's a ten second job, no tools needed.  Plus these chains 
shift better and outlast Sram chains.  After my trying them out a few years 
ago and then reordering the next year, the owner of the LBS I use, tried 
them.  Now he stocks the chains and recommends them to anyone who does 
their own work.

michael

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Re: [RBW] Re: Noticed anything different about front bag handling

[Kelly Sleeper]

Aside from the hundreds / thousands of bikes that must all be handling terrible 
and the people riding them are just to dumb to realize it (as low trail 
propaganda would suggest)  or maybe it's not that big of a deal.

I know the above is harsh.  And not all of the harsh is from this thread and 
more from all the reading and time wasted reading about trail has made me 
harsh.Much as with other things I've found and verified that it is a long 
laundry list of things not just trail.  
I've also ridden everything from my plastic 16lb race bike to the Bombadil and 
one thing I laugh at is how someone says the weight of a small bag effects 
handling.  My brooks handlebar bag on the handlebar of my carbon bike with a 
couple of pounds in it didn't effect anything and other than the straps being 
in the way of hand positions you wouldn't know it was there... then again 
others say they can tell when a water bottle is missing by the handling of the 
bike.  (glad I have no feelings ahhh feel)  

Lets not forget that the low trail doesn't handle rear loading well .. or just 
as bad as the high trail handles front loads if you believe everything you 
read.

So my opinion from experience and reading is that it's a tradeoff dependent 
upon how you want to carry the load and what you want to do with the bike.   
For 5ish pounds (a bag, tube, tire levers, gloves) it for most people won't 
make any difference on any bike.  Most people will never even notice.  For more 
weight regardless of the trail the load will feel better and more stable on a 
front rack than on the bars.   If you are going to always have 20  plus pounds 
on the front of the bike maybe low trail is for you...  Most of the time even 
with my camera and rain suit, tubes etc I carry less than 15 pounds.  

I've ridden this bike no handed loaded per the picture and on downhills in 
excess of 40 mph without any issues at all.  

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/6172193515/in/set-72157627604208847

This bike road fine from Boulder to St Louis loaded.. Couldn't ride it free 
handed as the load wasn't equal but I'm sure low trail would have fixed that.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/6172717388/in/set-72157627604208847/

So high trail or low, if you ride a quality bicycle you won't have to worry 
about a good ride as it will just be there.  It will be a preference thing not 
a better than thing.  The trail argument is as boring as the helmet one and 
seems to bring out the worst in all of us. :)  Well with the exception of me.. 
I'm always at my worst.  :) 

Kelly


 





  

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RE: [RBW] dropping roadies feels so good.

[Joe Bartoe]

matthiasbe...@gmail.com said:

It's been said that a bicycle without fenders is just a toy.To me 
that's a little extreme, but makes a good point if the bicycle lives in 
an area that gets more than, say, 35 inches of rain per year.   However 
in my opinion it's not too extreme to say the same thing about provision
 for carrying cargo, however small (and not just water bottles).   

NOT that there's anything wrong with toys(!)-   but I think bicycles deserve a 
better purpose at least once in their lifetimes.

I say:

I've run into many a racer and roadie that uses their high end road bike as 
their commuter vehicle. In fact, so have I. For 3 years, I commuted 4 days a 
week on average on my road bike, 15-20 miles each way. I used a courier bag or 
backpack, transporting my clothing and lunch each day, sometimes my laptop as 
well. When I get out for rides on the weekend, it's nice to feel unencumbered. 
The bike feels lighter and faster that way. 

So, my road bikes are not just toys but transportation. Gloriously fast 
transportation. They are a tool that I use to get outside and stay fit. The 
idea that I somehow need to attach bags and racks to get usefulness out of my 
bike is ridiculous. There are times when it is appropriate, but even then I 
have a feeling that most on this list go a bit overboard.

Joe

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Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 07:40:57 -0800
From: matthiasbe...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] dropping roadies feels so good.

It's been said that a bicycle without fenders is just a toy.To me that's a 
little extreme, but makes a good point if the bicycle lives in an area that 
gets more than, say, 35 inches of rain per year.   However in my opinion it's 
not too extreme to say the same thing about provision for carrying cargo, 
however small (and not just water bottles).   

NOT that there's anything wrong with toys(!)-   but I think bicycles deserve a 
better purpose at least once in their lifetimes.



On Monday, November 21, 2011 10:15:03 AM UTC-5, James Warren wrote:
They're not.I know stubborn people who stop just short of telling me that they 
wouldn't be caught dead ever attaching anything resembling a bag to their bike. 
It means that the kinds of rides I like to do (overnighters) are never an 
option for us planning group events.-Jim W.
On Nov 21, 2011, at 6:53 AM, René Sterental wrote:> I'd like to see them 
pulling/pushing my heft and see if they'd even be riding...



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Re: [RBW] Re: Noticed anything different about front bag handling

[Mojo]

Tim,
 
I actually didn't say the high trail bike 'can't change direction in mid 
turn.' The term I have often heard about high trails bikes is it corners 
'as if it is on rails.' I put that in quotes because it is oft used and I 
mostly agree with the description. That doesn't mean a high trail bike 
can't be adjusted in a corner, but that it resists the change. When my 
LHT's steering was changed to low trail, it now doesn't resist trajectory 
change at all.
 
Thanks for bringing up tire size. I use 32mm width tires or larger on the 
LHT. When I discovered a front flat on the LHT I threw in a 27mm (Rolly 
Poly) tired wheel. I did not like the handling of the bike near as much 
with a skinny tire.
 
>From my limited experience and understanding, un-weighted skinny tires (& 
I think anything less then 28mm is skinny) do quite well with more trail. 
Plumper tires especially with weight over them, become more lively with 
decreased trail. An opposite mixing of tire size and trails can lead to 
less than desireable results.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tool Tip - How To Undo Chain Masterlinks?

[mikel66...@juno.com]

michael,
is Connex the brand of the chain or what the connecting link is called?
mike goldman
warwick,r.i.

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Mom Reveals $3 Wrinkle Trick Angering Doctors...
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[RBW] Stolen Hillborne: Chicago

[tthomashardie]

Hi, My Sam Hillborne was stolen yesterday. It's a long shot, but if
anyone has info about this bike please contact me. It's a 48cm "new
green" Hillborne with mustache bars and eclectic mix of parts. No
questions asked about how you may know the whereabouts of this bike.
I'm not looking to place blame. I'd just like to get it back. Attached
is a link to a photo of the bike. Thanks.

https://picasaweb.google.com/107908663805379775123/November202011#5677252547407689106

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[RBW] Re: From the Sonoma County Museum Exhibit on Bicycles and Bicycle History

[BSWP]

I was there today, and really enjoyed the show. It's well worth the
effort to get there, and you'll see some fine examples of rideable
art. It was my first look up-close a Bruce Gordon bike, wow...
beautiful lugs, sculpted cantilevers, and gorgeous racks.

My pictures: http://diesel.smugmug.com/Bici/Sonoma-Museum-2011

- Andrew, Berkeley

On Oct 13, 9:30 pm, Eric Norris  wrote:
> Thought the group would enjoy this:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176895@N03/6242381081/in/set-721576278...
>
> More photos here:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176895@N03/sets/72157627889670488/with...
>
> Alas, no Rivendells in the exhibit, but plenty of other gorgeous bikes.
>
> The speaker in the photos of Evelyn McDaniel Gibb, author of a "Two Wheels 
> North" and (I'm proud to say) a dear friend.
>
> --Eric
> campyonly...@me.comwww.campyonly.comwww.wheelsnorth.org

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[RBW] FS: Heron touring frameset-57cm

[mikel66...@juno.com]

early Heron touring frame/fork. 57cm c-top seat tube with a 32" standover 
mid-point on the slightly sloping top tube.
heres the story. i had it painted pepto pink a few years ago but it sits at the 
powedercoaters awaiting a new color. i traded the painter a banana seat bike 
for the powdercoat so the cost to me/new buyer is absorbed into the 
price..normally $150
the new buyer can choose a color from the RAL powdercoat chart or buy it as it 
isi do have pictures.
im asking $550 shipped and that includes 2 new Heron decals and headbadge which 
i never put back on after the 'pink disaster'. 
original paint was Bailey Falls Blue. fits 700x38mm tires and fenders. uses 
canti brakes, 3 bottle cage mounts, no mid-fork low rider mounts (i used Old 
Man Mountain canti mounted rack with good results.
mike goldman
warwick,r.i.

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The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried
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Re: [RBW] Hilsen Populaire

[Andrew Johnson]

Sounds great, and the fall colours must have been sweet to ride through.

Tell us more about your bars:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/stonehog/6373721393/in/set-72157628074460921/

- Andrew, Berkeley

On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Brian Hanson  wrote:

> I rode my AHH in the November Populaire 100k today with the Seattle
> Randonneurs.  This was my longest ride yet, and probably one of the coldest
> with most of the ride in the 20's and 30's.  I had two wool shirts and a
> light windbreaker vest which kept me plenty warm.  The only cold spots were
> my feetsies.  I met at least one other lister there, Stuart, who was also
> on his first rando ride.  It was a great day to be out, and the folks I
> rode with were all top notch friendly people.  The bike worked well.  I had
> it a bit over-racked in the front with the Platrack and just a lil 'ol
> Acorn Rando bag.  I also had a M/L Acorn saddle bag where I had an extra
> wool jersey and socks stashed in with my tools.  I definitely could have
> fit everything I brought into one bag, however.  The ride was uneventful
> with no flats or wipeouts that I saw.  One guy in a Ferrari having a good
> time on the open Sunday roads, but that's about it for drama.  I ended up
> not eating any of the food I brought :)  Just cookies at the controls.  I
> have a feeling it would change if I was doing a 200k + ride, however.   I'm
> looking forward to trying one of those in the next few months.  Highly
> recommended!
>
> Good experience overall, and I have been wanting to try this based on all
> the great ride reports on this list.  Last night, I was pouring over the
> "what to pack" threads, and found the advice very helpful.
>
> A few photos I managed to snap from the day's activity:
>
> http://flic.kr/s/aHsjwQKz2B
>
> Brian
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tool Tip - How To Undo Chain Masterlinks?

[Seth Vidal]

On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Michael Hechmer  wrote:
> At the risk of repeating myself the Connex master link is a completely
> different design from the Sram.  All I have to do to remove them is take
> some tension off the chain, turn the quick link vertical and pop it open
> with my hands.  It's a ten second job, no tools needed.  Plus these chains
> shift better and outlast Sram chains.  After my trying them out a few years
> ago and then reordering the next year, the owner of the LBS I use, tried
> them.  Now he stocks the chains and recommends them to anyone who does their
>

I agree about the connex from wipperman. I have one on the rom and
it's a great chain.

-sv

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Re: [RBW] Re: Noticed anything different about front bag handling

[Steve Palincsar]

On Mon, 2011-11-21 at 07:52 -0800, Kelly Sleeper wrote:
> Aside from the hundreds / thousands of bikes that must all be handling 
> terrible and the people riding them are just to dumb to realize it (as low 
> trail propaganda would suggest)  or maybe it's not that big of a deal.
> 
> I know the above is harsh.  

It's not only harsh, it's a grotesque distortion and exaggeration of
what has been said.  Go ahead and slay the straw man if you like, but
don't forget it's a straw man and has little to no relationship to
what's actually been said.

> And not all of the harsh is from this thread and more from all the reading 
> and time wasted reading about trail has made me harsh.Much as with other 
> things I've found and verified that it is a long laundry list of things not 
> just trail.  
> I've also ridden everything from my plastic 16lb race bike to the Bombadil 
> and one thing I laugh at is how someone says the weight of a small bag 
> effects handling.  My brooks handlebar bag on the handlebar of my carbon bike 
> with a couple of pounds in it didn't effect anything and other than the 
> straps being in the way of hand positions you wouldn't know it was there... 
> then again others say they can tell when a water bottle is missing by the 
> handling of the bike.  (glad I have no feelings ahhh feel)

2 lb worth of handlebar bag you probably wouldn't notice.  Make it 5-6
lb, though and I'm confident you will; and 10 lb with the wrong geometry
it'll have you swearing.



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Re: [RBW] dropping roadies feels so good.

[CycloFiend]

on 11/21/11 7:53 AM, Joe Bartoe at jbar...@hotmail.com wrote:
>  So, my road bikes are not just toys but transportation. Gloriously fast
transportation. They
> are a tool that I use to get outside and stay fit. The idea that I somehow
need to attach bags
> and racks to get usefulness out of my bike is ridiculous. There are times when
it is 
> appropriate, but even then I have a feeling that most on this list go a bit
overboard.

I don't think anyone was saying that is the only way to make a bicycle
"useful".  One thing is that the paradigm for buying a bicycle has been to
mindlessly mimic racing setups, which has several direct and indirect
effects on how the bicycle wants and tends to be used. When I roll home on a
rainy day, and someone passes me on an open wheeled racer which has been
fitted with seatpost mounted rear fender so that road spray still showers
them, it strikes me that they are using a less appropriate tool for the job.
Nothing more or less.  I applaud the fact they are riding.

The other thing is that most of us have been on the receiving end of
semi-snarky "you got a picnic in that?" comments, which makes it perhaps a
bit easier to gloat when smilingly passing a pro-team-kitted rider on a
low-clearance bicycle.  The more hours you ride, the more you realize that
outside of the upper echelons of serious racing circles, the bicycle iteself
makes much, much less difference

The point is, of course, that one person's "overboard" is another's "spartan
outing", and what should determine that is the rider's needs and choices.
My pack setup tends to morph with the seasons, as more layers demand greater
carrying capacity.

For me, I'm done getting sluiced during the winter, and I'm finished
stuffing my jersey pockets with clothing and layers and bars because my seat
pack only takes a tube, a mini tool and a patch kit.   But, I still like
duking it out a bit on climbs with unknown riders, or seeing how hard I can
push it into a quartering crosswind.

Whether it's the loop into work, or longer rides, I'm the one I have to keep
happy, which is the whole point, eh?


- J

-- 
Jim Edgar
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Re: [RBW] dropping roadies feels so good.

[Steve Palincsar]

On Mon, 2011-11-21 at 07:15 -0800, James Warren wrote:

> I know stubborn people who stop just short of telling me that they wouldn't 
> be caught dead ever attaching anything resembling a bag to their bike. It 
> means that the kinds of rides I like to do (overnighters) are never an option 
> for us planning group events.

I think you should plan the events, and let those who wouldn't be caught
dead, etc., take their enjoyment in being left out.  Maybe a touch of
envy would do them some good.




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Re: [RBW] Re: Tool Tip - How To Undo Chain Masterlinks?

[Steve Palincsar]

On Mon, 2011-11-21 at 06:50 -0800, Kelly Sleeper wrote:
> I just use my trusty chain tool .. avoid the master link and press the pin 
> just enough to take the chain apart then press it back in when it's time to 
> put it together.  I know... oh but that isn't supported and not good blah 
> blah blah... but it's worked for years for me and many others. 
> The chain on my Giant Tour Bike is held together for 5 years with pieces of 
> three different chains I had on the wall when I put it together.  
> 
> There is best practice and there is what works... 

You don't mention what chains you do this with.   It works fine on older
style, wider chains, gets dodgy at nine and is ruled out at ten or
above.   You're using 7 or 8 speed drive trains, correct?



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Re: [RBW] Re: Noticed anything different about front bag handling

[Steve Palincsar]

On Mon, 2011-11-21 at 08:47 -0600, Tim McNamara wrote:
> Glad this worked out for you, and it's nice to have a situation for 
> comparison where there is one primary variable different.
> 
> But you mention something that I have read elsewhere, which is that "high 
> trail" bikes (around 60 mm) can't change direction in mid turn.  

No one said that.


> This is not my experience; indeed the best handling bike I have ever ridden 
> is my Ritchey road bike, which should have around 60 mm trail given its 73 or 
> 73.5 head angle and 45 mm fork offset on 700 x 25 mm tires.  I can easily 
> flick the bike around objects in the road while cornering fast downhill.  
> Indeed, if one couldn't do that, this sort of geometry would not be the 
> standard for professional racing bikes. 

There's a relationship between geometric trail and tire width: the
narrower the tire, the less the pneumatic train, so the more geometric
trail you need.  It's true in the opposite direction as well: the wider
the tire, the more pneumatic trail, and so the less geometric trail you
need.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Noticed anything different about front bag handling

[Joe Broach]

Thanks for the comparison, Mojo!  For those wanting to try the same
thing on a budget, note that the Cross Check fork is about 1cm longer
A-to-C than the LHT fork, which should make it just about "Frame
Neutral" after having a builder re-rake it for the LHT.  The recent CC
forks have the lowrider bosses but not the extra dropout boss.  If you
were willing to give up ~5mm tire/fender clearance, you could just
have your LHT fork re-raked to a bit less than 68mm, steepening the
head angle by about 0.5 degree.

Best,
joe broach
portland, or

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[RBW] ADAM CARTWRIGHT FOR SALE

[Marc Schwartz]

I am now offering my beloved incarnation of the elusive ADAM saddle bag for 
sale to we Rivendell folks; The middle size in the famous discontinued (sadly) 
Baggins "Cartwright" saddlebag series of some years ago; Little Joe (smallest), 
Adam (medium-large), Hoss (huge). Necessity can be a cruel taskmaster.
 No wear other than some flexibility to the straps, some dirt and dust and 
negligible scuffing of bottom leather from support rack. 
Asking $175 including Priority USPS to CONUS. Please inquire for photos and 
more info to mschw...@nmsu.edu.
Thank you all for your consideration.



Please reply to mschw...@nmsu.edu

Thanks,
Marc

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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project? 2011 version

[Steve Palincsar]

On Mon, 2011-11-21 at 06:31 -0800, jimD wrote:
> I've just realized that my winter project is going to be learn how to undo 
> the master link on my chain.
> 
> Oh, and then I'm going to try some of this stuff:
> http://www.chain-l.com/EdPavelkaTest.html
> 
> Since it's winter now we should discuss chain lubrication for our fine 
> Rivendell bicycles.


Oh God no, the annual chain lubrication thread!   



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Re: [RBW] Splats - Woulda Thunk It?

[Ray Shine]

I have a similar tale, Jim. Now that the Bay Area temps are dropping to the 
lower side of cool** I have been using the RBW Windshield on my chilly morning 
commute. It works great and is precisely suited to its intended purpose, but it 
does look less than elegant.

**Sidebar anecdote: Way back when, I worked with a guy who was from 
Minneapolis. 
We mostly worked outdoors, and often at night. One cold evening (upper 30s)I 
came to work in my usual winter attire -- long-sleeved shirt, lined windjacket, 
gloves, etc -- and was dismayed to see John wearing just his usual 
short-sleeved 
shirt. When I commented on his garb he said in his typical oh-gosh manner, 
"Well, back home, this would be considered a heat wave."
 I suppose one would have had to been there, but even after all these years I 
chuckle when I think about it.




From: jimD 
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, November 21, 2011 6:39:38 AM
Subject: [RBW] Splats - Woulda Thunk It?


Yesterday I wore my Splats on what passes for a cold ride here in the San 
Francisco Bay Area.

It looked like rain, the roads were wet and I was inclined toward dry-ish feet.

It didn't rain but the temps were in the hi 40's low 50's. To  my surprise my 
feet were noticeably 

warmer than they would have been without Splats.

The only downside to the whole deal was my wife's raucous laughter when she saw 
me departing.
Splats are the most non-rascerish piece of cycling gear that I own. Lots easier 
to put on/take off
than my racer-ish shoe covers. 

-JimD

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[RBW] Re: Stolen Hillborne: Chicago

[newenglandbike]

Aw man, so sorry to hear about that! I hope you get your bike back.   
Do you by any chance have the serial # written down anywhere?  It might 
be helpful in recovering it, especially if it shows up for sale somewhere.


-Matt

PS Also you might want to be all over craigslist for a 
while
.

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[RBW] FS: Rivendell 59 Bleriot Protovelo $1150

[John Blish]

Hi BOBs and RBW,

I am selling my 59 Bleriot Protovelo.  I am asking $1150.

It has Panaracer Col de la Vie tires with less than 300 miles on them,
Nitto Randonneur bars, stainless Berthoud fenders that have not been
completely installed (you can finish that - I will send all hardware),
Shimano 105 STI 9-speed brifters, Silver long reach brakes and a Brooks B17
Special in honey.

This is NOT a standard blue-with-cream-headtube Bleriot.  The Protovelo is
bead blasted and then clear coated.  The result is a grayish and slightly
golden-brown color, with highlights depending on the lighting and sharp
gold color at all joints.  Photos at:

https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/111838829033930119881/albums/5675342076269460337

or:

https://picasaweb.google.com/111838829033930119881/Rivendell59BleriotProtoveloForSale#

The first picture shows this color very well.  There are no dings, dents or
scratches on this bike.  If you want a blue Bleriot this is not the one you
want.

It doesn't have a headbadge; it has a decal in place of a headbadge.  The
decals are applied on top of the clear coat and some decals have lost small
pieces.

I expect to take this bike to Hiawatha Cyclery in south Minneapolis to have
them pack and ship; they do an excellent job of that.  That will cost the
buyer an additional $50 (packing) plus actual shipping.  If you want to
avoid some of that you are welcome to pick the bike up at my house or I
will drive it up to 225 miles each way to meet you for the transfer for
that same $50 with no shipping fee.  I will drive up to 100 miles for
free.  When I got it I drove about 4 - 5 hours each way to pick it up in
person so that there would be no chance of shipping damage.  And I got to
meet the prior owner in person.  Can't beat that.

Some people on the list know the history of this bike.  My understanding is
that it was originally purchased as frame and fork only by a list member in
CO.  Then it went to IA where the present configuration including Nitto
Randonneur bars was set up.  I have added the Berthoud stainless fenders
and the new tires.

I will accept PayPal and eat the fee.  Send me a check instead of PayPal
and I will split the $50 packing fee with you, 50-50.  Save $25.

I have tried to describe fully and photograph everything in order to avoid
any misunderstanding or miscommunication; it may be excessive.  If you have
questions - you can get me directly at:  jbl...@gmail.com

Thank you.
*

Frame*:  Butted CrMo Rivendell Bleriot Protovelo.  Bead-blasted,
clear-coated.  Pump peg on head tube.  Two rack/fender eyelets at each rear
dropout.  One rack/fender eyelet at each front dropout.  Rack stay
attachment eyelets on seat stay just above brake bridge.  Two sets water
bottle bosses.
*Fork*:  CrMo Rivendell fork designed and intended for this bike.
Headbadge is a decal, not a true badge.  see photo.
*Crankset*:  Shimano Hollowtech 105 triple, 52-42-30, 175mm crank
*Front DR*:  Shimano 105 triple
*Rear DR*:  Shimano 105 RD-5500-GS
*Cogset*:  SRAM  12 - 26
*Chain*:  KMC 9-speed with SRAM Quick-Link
*Headset*:  Tange 1 inch threaded
*Brakes*:  Silver long-reach side-pull caliper
*Brake/Shift Lever*:  Shimano 105, 9-speed, STI  Flight Deck compatible
*Stem*:  Nitto Dirt Drop 80mm
*Handlebar*:  Nitto Model 135 Randonneur 45cm
*Saddle*:  Brooks B17 Special, brass rails, big rivets, honey
*Seat post*:  Kalloy 27.2, one bolt
*Extras*:  2 Bontrager stainless steel bottle cages.  Berthoud stainless
steel fenders.  Shimano SC-6500 Flight Deck Computer, wired, includes
cadence, which is calculated, not measured - no separate cadence pickup
required.  Two 650B x 35-43 spare inner tubes.
*Front Hub*:  Shimano Deore, Q-R, HB-M530
*Rear Hub*:  Shimano Deore, Q-R, FH-M530
*Rims*:  Velocity Synergy, 32-hole, stainless spokes
*Tires*:  Panaracer Col de la Vie 650B x 38

Lots more information about Bleriots in general see Jim's great compilation
at:

http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/bleriot/index.html

Thanks for looking.

John


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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell 59 Bleriot Protovelo $1150

[Liesl]

Hi folks, I bought John's Quickbeam last summer and you can buy with
absolute confidence.  John takes beautiful care of his bikes, and they
are as he describes them.  And you can see his attention to detail
just in the quality and quantity of photos!

Also, this frame is exactly the same as my Bleriot Protovelo (except,
of course, quite a bit bigger) and the sand-blast-clear-powdercoat is
really a great looking treatment; the solder turns out looking like
bronze pinstriping.  My only comment to think about with the proto
frame is that its tire clearances may be a bit snugger than the true
Bleriot; mine were tighter than my Saluki.

Good luck, John!

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Re: [RBW] dropping roadies feels so good.

[William]

Jim

What I heard is that you've repurposed that figure of speech entirely.

Person A:  "Where you headed on that bike in this weather, Jim?"
Jim:  "I'm headed to the pub.  Gonna get sluiced tonight!"
Person A:  "Mind if I join you?"
Jim:  "The more the merrier!"

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[RBW] Re: Tool Tip - How To Undo Chain Masterlinks?

[Clayton]

This is just in regards to SRAM masterlinks. I used to be able to undo
SRAM masterlinks with my hands alone. It was about 4 years ago that I
last did it with a then new SRAM 8 speed chain. However, these days
the masterlinks supplied on new SRAM chains as well as the 10 speed
masterlinks I use on my shimano chains even defy my needle nose
pliers. I recently purchased the tool as well and it does work. I
think SRAM might have changed their masterlink design either that or I
just lost my magic tough.

Clayton
SF, CA

On Nov 21, 9:01 am, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-11-21 at 06:50 -0800, Kelly Sleeper wrote:
> > I just use my trusty chain tool .. avoid the master link and press the pin 
> > just enough to take the chain apart then press it back in when it's time to 
> > put it together.  I know... oh but that isn't supported and not good 
> > blah blah blah... but it's worked for years for me and many others.
> > The chain on my Giant Tour Bike is held together for 5 years with pieces of 
> > three different chains I had on the wall when I put it together.
>
> > There is best practice and there is what works...
>
> You don't mention what chains you do this with.   It works fine on older
> style, wider chains, gets dodgy at nine and is ruled out at ten or
> above.   You're using 7 or 8 speed drive trains, correct?

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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project? 2011 version

[cyclotourist]

Which chain lube is best for low-trail vs. high-trail and does it induce
shimmy?


On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> On Mon, 2011-11-21 at 06:31 -0800, jimD wrote:
> > I've just realized that my winter project is going to be learn how to
> undo the master link on my chain.
> >
> > Oh, and then I'm going to try some of this stuff:
> > http://www.chain-l.com/EdPavelkaTest.html
> >
> > Since it's winter now we should discuss chain lubrication for our fine
> Rivendell bicycles.
>
>
> Oh God no, the annual chain lubrication thread!   
>
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 1999 Rivendell Long Low 59 cm frameset (Starck-built, Bell-painted)

[Forrest]

This is sold now. Thanks for all the inquiries.  -- Forrest

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tool Tip - How To Undo Chain Masterlinks?

[cyclotourist]

FYI, I've seen a hack with using some narrow wire strippers as the
chain-link pliers.  Can't find the linkey to prove it.

On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Clayton  wrote:

> This is just in regards to SRAM masterlinks. I used to be able to undo
> SRAM masterlinks with my hands alone. It was about 4 years ago that I
> last did it with a then new SRAM 8 speed chain. However, these days
> the masterlinks supplied on new SRAM chains as well as the 10 speed
> masterlinks I use on my shimano chains even defy my needle nose
> pliers. I recently purchased the tool as well and it does work. I
> think SRAM might have changed their masterlink design either that or I
> just lost my magic tough.
>
> Clayton
> SF, CA
>
> On Nov 21, 9:01 am, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> > On Mon, 2011-11-21 at 06:50 -0800, Kelly Sleeper wrote:
> > > I just use my trusty chain tool .. avoid the master link and press the
> pin just enough to take the chain apart then press it back in when it's
> time to put it together.  I know... oh but that isn't supported and not
> good blah blah blah... but it's worked for years for me and many others.
> > > The chain on my Giant Tour Bike is held together for 5 years with
> pieces of three different chains I had on the wall when I put it together.
> >
> > > There is best practice and there is what works...
> >
> > You don't mention what chains you do this with.   It works fine on older
> > style, wider chains, gets dodgy at nine and is ruled out at ten or
> > above.   You're using 7 or 8 speed drive trains, correct?
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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project? 2011 version

[William]

I only buy low-modulus chains.  The stretchy response allows me to get even 
stiff frames to plane.  

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[RBW] harris cassettes - century special

[Seth Vidal]

Hi,
 Has anyone bought/used one of these:
http://harriscyclery.net/product/harris-custom-century-special-13-30-9-speed-cassette-702.htm

I'm considering one for the hilsen build I'm working on and I'm
curious if there are any yay/nay sayers for it.

thanks,
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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project? 2011 version

[Kelly Sleeper]

I like mine with rust.. after all rust is a protective covering for the chain 
right?  Hell I can't even hear that noise when I turn my iPod up.

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Re: [RBW] harris cassettes - century special

[Bruce Herbitter]

My frequent riding companion Frank uses these and swears by them
Sent from my Kindle Fire

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From: Seth Vidal 
Sent: Mon Nov 21 12:32:43 CST 2011
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] harris cassettes - century special


Hi,
Has anyone bought/used one of these:
http://harriscyclery.net/product/harris-custom-century-special-13-30-9-speed-cassette-702.htm

I'm considering one for the hilsen build I'm working on and I'm
curious if there are any yay/nay sayers for it.

thanks,
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Re: [RBW] harris cassettes - century special

[Steve Palincsar]

On Mon, 2011-11-21 at 13:32 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote:
> Hi,
>  Has anyone bought/used one of these:
> http://harriscyclery.net/product/harris-custom-century-special-13-30-9-speed-cassette-702.htm
> 
> I'm considering one for the hilsen build I'm working on and I'm
> curious if there are any yay/nay sayers for it.

I've been using them since 2002, have them on three bikes and love 'em.
It's all "yay" as far as I'm concerned.

A point to bear in mind about these:  the 13 and the 30 are re-usable,
and will can be used on many 12-27 cassettes (the basis for the
customization).

I use them with 24/36/46 (700Cx32), 24/36/48 (700Cx28) and 26/36/48
(650Bx42) drive trains.  The resulting gearing is absolutely perfect for
me.  Top gear just under 100", low gear on the middle ring in the low
30s, and a granny gear in the low 20s.

I have never understood why Shimano didn't make this a standard
cassette.  A 13-30, after all, was one of the standard 7 speeds (and I
use that one, too, on my Kogswell P/R touring bike).



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Re: [RBW] Re: Tool Tip - How To Undo Chain Masterlinks?

[Steve Palincsar]

On Mon, 2011-11-21 at 10:12 -0800, Clayton wrote:
> This is just in regards to SRAM masterlinks. I used to be able to undo
> SRAM masterlinks with my hands alone. It was about 4 years ago that I
> last did it with a then new SRAM 8 speed chain. However, these days
> the masterlinks supplied on new SRAM chains as well as the 10 speed
> masterlinks I use on my shimano chains even defy my needle nose
> pliers. I recently purchased the tool as well and it does work. I
> think SRAM might have changed their masterlink design either that or I
> just lost my magic tough.

I never used to need a tool either, but the past several chains have
required its use.



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[RBW] white industries mi5 and son deluxe

[Seth Vidal]

I ordered a set of wheels from one of the LBS recently. a set of 700c
36 spoke velocity synergies with wi mi-5 in the rear and a son delux
in the front.

The wheelbuilder had this to say:

1. the white industries spins really nicely
2. he's been lusting over the son deluxe for a while now
3. when you check out the hubs next to each other they have a similar
flange height and similar shinyness, etc They appear to be a nice
match.

As soon as the cranks come in I'll let y'all know how they ride. :)

-sv

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Re: [RBW] white industries mi5 and son deluxe

[cyclotourist]

White hubs are s incredibly beautiful.  Glad you're getting what sounds
like a great wheelset!

On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Seth Vidal  wrote:

> I ordered a set of wheels from one of the LBS recently. a set of 700c
> 36 spoke velocity synergies with wi mi-5 in the rear and a son delux
> in the front.
>
> The wheelbuilder had this to say:
>
> 1. the white industries spins really nicely
> 2. he's been lusting over the son deluxe for a while now
> 3. when you check out the hubs next to each other they have a similar
> flange height and similar shinyness, etc They appear to be a nice
> match.
>
> As soon as the cranks come in I'll let y'all know how they ride. :)
>
> -sv
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Re: [RBW] Tool Tip - How To Undo Chain Masterlinks?

[René Sterental]

I also use the Connex master link. I use it with my Shimano chains with no
issues. Performance sells them.

René

On Monday, November 21, 2011, Michael Hechmer  wrote:
> At the risk of repeating myself the Connex master link is a
completely different design from the Sram.  All I have to do to remove them
is take some tension off the chain, turn the quick link vertical and pop it
open with my hands.  It's a ten second job, no tools needed.  Plus these
chains shift better and outlast Sram chains.  After my trying them out a
few years ago and then reordering the next year, the owner of the LBS I
use, tried them.  Now he stocks the chains and recommends them to anyone
who does their own work.
> michael
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Re: [RBW] white industries mi5 and son deluxe

[Seth Vidal]

On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 2:05 PM, cyclotourist  wrote:
> White hubs are s incredibly beautiful.  Glad you're getting what sounds
> like a great wheelset!
>

So I am. These are my solstice present. Which is just fine by me :)
It's a long dark winter ahead.


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Re: [RBW] white industries mi5 and son deluxe

[cyclotourist]

Merry-Solstice-Mid-Winter's Day to you!

On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Seth Vidal  wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 2:05 PM, cyclotourist 
> wrote:
> > White hubs are s incredibly beautiful.  Glad you're getting what
> sounds
> > like a great wheelset!
> >
>
> So I am. These are my solstice present. Which is just fine by me :)
> It's a long dark winter ahead.
>
>
> -sv
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 1999 Rivendell Long Low 59 cm frameset (Starck-built, Bell-painted)

[cyclotourist]

Someone has a beautiful new bike coming their way, just in time for the
Holidays!!!

On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Forrest  wrote:

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[RBW] Re: Tool Tip - How To Undo Chain Masterlinks?

[Philip Williamson]

> You don't mention what chains you do this with.   It works fine on older> 
> style, wider chains, gets dodgy at nine and is ruled out at ten or> above.   
> You're using 7 or 8 speed drive trains, correct?

The only two chains I've broken were 9 speed chains shortened with a
chain tool. The last one put me in the street with some road rash. One
way my fault, one was my friend's fault, both due to ignorance. I've
cut up and reconnected older chains multiple times with no problem,
but now I always use a master link on 9 speed chains. I have a couple
of chains with a couple master links each because of singlespeed
gearing changes.

 Philip


On Nov 21, 9:01 am, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-11-21 at 06:50 -0800, Kelly Sleeper wrote:
> > I just use my trusty chain tool .. avoid the master link and press the pin 
> > just enough to take the chain apart then press it back in when it's time to 
> > put it together.  I know... oh but that isn't supported and not good 
> > blah blah blah... but it's worked for years for me and many others.
> > The chain on my Giant Tour Bike is held together for 5 years with pieces of 
> > three different chains I had on the wall when I put it together.
>
> > There is best practice and there is what works...
>
> You don't mention what chains you do this with.   It works fine on older
> style, wider chains, gets dodgy at nine and is ruled out at ten or
> above.   You're using 7 or 8 speed drive trains, correct?

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Re: [RBW] harris cassettes - century special

[Seth Vidal]

On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-11-21 at 13:32 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote:
>> Hi,
>>  Has anyone bought/used one of these:
>> http://harriscyclery.net/product/harris-custom-century-special-13-30-9-speed-cassette-702.htm
>>
>> I'm considering one for the hilsen build I'm working on and I'm
>> curious if there are any yay/nay sayers for it.
>
> I've been using them since 2002, have them on three bikes and love 'em.
> It's all "yay" as far as I'm concerned.
>
> A point to bear in mind about these:  the 13 and the 30 are re-usable,
> and will can be used on many 12-27 cassettes (the basis for the
> customization).
>
> I use them with 24/36/46 (700Cx32), 24/36/48 (700Cx28) and 26/36/48
> (650Bx42) drive trains.  The resulting gearing is absolutely perfect for
> me.  Top gear just under 100", low gear on the middle ring in the low
> 30s, and a granny gear in the low 20s.
>

Steve,
 Thanks for the details. The cassettes you get are miche cassettes, I
assume with a few cogs changed out in them? Does this also mean it is
possible to replace a specific cog if one wears more than usual (for
example a cruising gear you use a lot).

Thanks,
-sv

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[RBW] Re: Tool Tip - How To Undo Chain Masterlinks?

[Phil Bickford]

I've been using mostly Campy chain$ and Conex master links with little
trouble. But the Sram master links are really a PITA to get undone.
I've got to use pliers to get them to let go.

Phil B

On Nov 21, 11:25 am, Philip Williamson 
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> > You don't mention what chains you do this with.   It works fine on older> 
> > style, wider chains, gets dodgy at nine and is ruled out at ten or> above.  
> >  You're using 7 or 8 speed drive trains, correct?
>

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[RBW] Re: Tool Tip - How To Undo Chain Masterlinks?

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

 

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Re: [RBW] harris cassettes - century special

[Garth]

You can get individual Shimano and Miche cassette cogs from all sorts of 
places online.  I believe eBikestop was/is usually about 1/3 to a half less 
per cog than other retailers,, if that matters to you. Non racers never 
wear out the the smallest and largest cogs, so those are always reusable.  
That said, if one has the mind to, one can make their own custom cassettes 
quite easily by either using stock riveted versions(the least expensive 
ones) and cutting off the rivets to free the cogs and spacers, or just 
buying the Miche cogs individually as desired, and using spacers form an 
old cassette.  This was the big promise of cassettes when they came out... 
but can still be done if you don't care about weight, and most here don't. 

That said, I've used Sachs 13-32 7sp. FW for years and have never worn out 
a cog yet. .  . . not even close actually. New cassette cogs have more wear 
on them than any of my used FW cogs  now that's both funny and sad. 

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[RBW] Re: Tool Tip - How To Undo Chain Masterlinks?

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

As others have said, the Park MLP-1 is the way to go. It's not expensive and 
makes your chain removal MUCH easier. Any other approach is by comparison messy 
and difficult, given that there actually is a "correct" tool for the job.

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Re: [RBW] harris cassettes - century special

[Steve Palincsar]

On Mon, 2011-11-21 at 14:43 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote:

>  Thanks for the details. The cassettes you get are miche cassettes, I
> assume 

No, Shimano Ultegra 12-27s.  You customize the 12-27 into a 13-30 by
removing the 1st position 12 and the 13, replace with a 1st position 13
and add a flat 30 behind the 27.

> with a few cogs changed out in them? Does this also mean it is
> possible to replace a specific cog if one wears more than usual (for
> example a cruising gear you use a lot).

Unfortunately, no.  I tend to wear the 15, 17, 19 and 21 all about the
same, and when they wear they skip under the load of standing, and
shifting also becomes imprecise.



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[RBW] Atlantis Sighting in Pittsburgh

[Sean Whelan]

At 3:30PM, I saw an Atlantis headed out from town on Railroad Street through 
the Strip.

Anyone on the list?

Thanks,
Sean

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[RBW] Re: actual measurement for Dureme 35 or Supreme 35 on a 22mm rim

[frank_a]

The 37 Pasela measures a true 37 on a Mavic 719 rim.

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[RBW] I like the look of these

[William]

http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/ag4.htm

These look pretty slick.  

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[RBW] Re: dropping roadies feels so good.

[Mojo]

I can see you just up the road Mike and its big ring&flat back now. I am 
after you!

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[RBW] Re: I like the look of these

[Garth]

U, I fail to see how these function better than a glove or mitt.  I'm 
surprised they made it to market .. as I don't get the concept and 
reasoning at all .  LoL !!

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[RBW] Re: I like the look of these

[Kelly Sleeper]

hmmm.. look like hand splats.

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[RBW] Re: I like the look of these

[William]

I like the idea because I hate having hands too hot, and have experienced 
chilly digits going down a hill.  Something easy on easy off, that's cheap 
and packs down to nothing seems like it would fill a nice little role.  A 
nice set of gloves for everything but cold descents plus these for cold 
descents.  What's not to get?  LoL !!

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Re: [RBW] Re: I like the look of these

[William Pustow]

   I agree - they seem goofy. What's wrong with a...glove. Wow, now there's 
an idea!
Bill
Louisville, Ky

By the way, the splats make sense.


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> U, I fail to see how these function better than a glove or mitt.  I'm 
> surprised they made it to market .. as I don't get the concept and reasoning 
> at all .  LoL !!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Noticed anything different about front bag handling

[Kelly Sleeper]

>It's not only harsh, it's a grotesque distortion and exaggeration of
>what has been said.  Go ahead and slay the straw man if you like, but
>don't forget it's a straw man and has little to no relationship to
>what's actually been said.

Steve ... actually the sentence below actually stated it was this and other 
reading and time wasted... so not really about you or what had been  said so 
far on this thread.  More additional to the thread and NOT an exaggeration at 
all much less a grotesque one. 


> And not all of the harsh is from this thread and more from all the reading 
> and time wasted reading about trail has made me harsh.
>2 lb worth of handlebar bag you probably wouldn't notice.  Make it 5-6
>lb, though and I'm confident you will; and 10 lb with the wrong geometry
>it'll have you swearing.

Obviously our experiences have differed as the pictures I posted would also 
indicate.  It may be "wrong geometry" for you.  But obviously it's not a bad 
geometry for many.  10lbs on the front of my AHH is nothing ... 30lbs / 40lbs 
on front of my Bombadil handles fine.  For me.. maybe not for you.. if not then 
don't buy it.  Point being the "low trail" rhetoric / You apparently tend to 
jump up and yell wrong geometry every time someone talks about a front load.  
It' s just not that simple.  Most people understand that.  

It's how I feel and I like my bikes.. you like or want low trail great.. I'm 
happy for you... the only grotesque exaggeration present was your reaction to 
my post .. and playing thread guard telling others what was said and what makes 
sense and doesn't. 

Regards,

Kelly
 


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Re: [RBW] Re: I like the look of these

[William]

These, umm, go with a glove.  These make whatever glove into a super glove. 
 

You've never seen a windmitt?

http://www.pearlizumi.com/publish/content/pi_2010/us/en/index/products/men/ride/accessories/0.-productCode-14341106.html

These things are great.  tuck your fingers in going down hill.  Untuck when 
your fingers get hot.  Only problem is these Pearl Izumi ones are made 
someplace where apparently they don't know how to make things that don't 
fall apart.  I've restitched mine 3 times now to keep them going for one 
year.  These cheap, waterproof MUSA ones allow me (or you) all the 
versatility using any glove you like.  Now my dot wool gloves are rain 
gloves.  That's pretty neat in my book.  

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[RBW] Re: harris cassettes - century special

[dougP]

Has anyone tried NOT changing the second position 13 for a 1st
position 13?

My Atlantis came with an 11-32 8 speed, which features some pretty
weird jumps.  After riding it for a while, I tossed the 11 & 18, and
dropped in a 17 & 19 from a 7 speed HG.  Final product was
13-15-17-19-21-24-28-32, which worked great for touring with the Riv
standard 24-36-46 rings. Like Steve, I wear out the ones in the
middle, so a while back I took a new Shimano 13-26, dropped the 14, 23
& 26 & re-used the old 24-28-32.  The weird thing was the shift from
13 to 15 (new cogs from the same new cassette) was dodgy.  So I
swapped out the new, 1st position 13 for the old 2nd position 13, and
things worked much better.  Weird.

I see Harris has a new 11-28 8 speed where I could just use my old 32,
toss the 11 & leave everything else alone to get my preferred
gearing.

The question is what is special about the 1st postion cog?

dougP

dougP

On Nov 21, 12:45 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-11-21 at 14:43 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote:
> >  Thanks for the details. The cassettes you get are miche cassettes, I
> > assume
>
> No, Shimano Ultegra 12-27s.  You customize the 12-27 into a 13-30 by
> removing the 1st position 12 and the 13, replace with a 1st position 13
> and add a flat 30 behind the 27.
>
> > with a few cogs changed out in them? Does this also mean it is
> > possible to replace a specific cog if one wears more than usual (for
> > example a cruising gear you use a lot).
>
> Unfortunately, no.  I tend to wear the 15, 17, 19 and 21 all about the
> same, and when they wear they skip under the load of standing, and
> shifting also becomes imprecise.

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[RBW] Re: Noticed anything different about front bag handling

[dougP]

Shifty:

Hope you got enough info on your bag question to help you sort it
out.  Trail discussions tend to get somewhat, eh, lively.  But take
heart: it's only geometry, not a religious experience.

dougP

On Nov 21, 4:30 pm, Kelly Sleeper  wrote:
> >It's not only harsh, it's a grotesque distortion and exaggeration of
> >what has been said.  Go ahead and slay the straw man if you like, but
> >don't forget it's a straw man and has little to no relationship to
> >what's actually been said.
>
> Steve ... actually the sentence below actually stated it was this and other 
> reading and time wasted... so not really about you or what had been  said so 
> far on this thread.  More additional to the thread and NOT an exaggeration at 
> all much less a grotesque one.
>
> > And not all of the harsh is from this thread and more from all the reading 
> > and time wasted reading about trail has made me harsh.
> >2 lb worth of handlebar bag you probably wouldn't notice.  Make it 5-6
> >lb, though and I'm confident you will; and 10 lb with the wrong geometry
> >it'll have you swearing.
>
> Obviously our experiences have differed as the pictures I posted would also 
> indicate.  It may be "wrong geometry" for you.  But obviously it's not a bad 
> geometry for many.  10lbs on the front of my AHH is nothing ... 30lbs / 40lbs 
> on front of my Bombadil handles fine.  For me.. maybe not for you.. if not 
> then don't buy it.  Point being the "low trail" rhetoric / You apparently 
> tend to jump up and yell wrong geometry every time someone talks about a 
> front load.  It' s just not that simple.  Most people understand that.
>
> It's how I feel and I like my bikes.. you like or want low trail great.. I'm 
> happy for you... the only grotesque exaggeration present was your reaction to 
> my post .. and playing thread guard telling others what was said and what 
> makes sense and doesn't.
>
> Regards,
>
> Kelly

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[RBW] Re: Noticed anything different about front bag handling

[Jim Cloud]

I've never experienced any problems with front loading a moderate to
high trail bicycle.  I've used handlebar bags for about the last 35
years on bikes that have these geometries.  I'm sorry, but the low-
trail mantra just isn't supported by my own personal experience.

Jim Cloud
Tucson, AZ

On Nov 21, 5:30 pm, Kelly Sleeper  wrote:
> >It's not only harsh, it's a grotesque distortion and exaggeration of
> >what has been said.  Go ahead and slay the straw man if you like, but
> >don't forget it's a straw man and has little to no relationship to
> >what's actually been said.
>
> Steve ... actually the sentence below actually stated it was this and other 
> reading and time wasted... so not really about you or what had been  said so 
> far on this thread.  More additional to the thread and NOT an exaggeration at 
> all much less a grotesque one.
>
> > And not all of the harsh is from this thread and more from all the reading 
> > and time wasted reading about trail has made me harsh.
> >2 lb worth of handlebar bag you probably wouldn't notice.  Make it 5-6
> >lb, though and I'm confident you will; and 10 lb with the wrong geometry
> >it'll have you swearing.
>
> Obviously our experiences have differed as the pictures I posted would also 
> indicate.  It may be "wrong geometry" for you.  But obviously it's not a bad 
> geometry for many.  10lbs on the front of my AHH is nothing ... 30lbs / 40lbs 
> on front of my Bombadil handles fine.  For me.. maybe not for you.. if not 
> then don't buy it.  Point being the "low trail" rhetoric / You apparently 
> tend to jump up and yell wrong geometry every time someone talks about a 
> front load.  It' s just not that simple.  Most people understand that.
>
> It's how I feel and I like my bikes.. you like or want low trail great.. I'm 
> happy for you... the only grotesque exaggeration present was your reaction to 
> my post .. and playing thread guard telling others what was said and what 
> makes sense and doesn't.
>
> Regards,
>
> Kelly

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[RBW] Re: harris cassettes - century special

[dougP]

William:

Thanks for that quote.  That makes sense.  When I modified the
original cassette, the 13 & 15 were stock & maybe I got lucky with my
17 & 19 in place of the original 18.  Modifying the 13-26, I took the
14 out so apparently the 13 & 15 aren't meant to be adjacent, but my
original 13 happens to work better.  Some days you get lucky.

dougP


On Nov 21, 4:48 pm, William  wrote:
> Quoting Sheldon (RIP)
>
> "To provide the Hyperglide functionality, each sprocket must be designed
> with regard to the adjacent sprockets. For instance, there are 3 different
> 15 tooth sprockets for 7-speed systems: one version works between a 13 and
> a 17; another works between a 14 and a 17; another works between a 14 and a
> 16."
>
> Mixing and matching cogs is possible, but if the resulting adjacent pair
> doesn't have the ramps line up, then shifting can be sub-optimal.  A
> 'top-position' cog has the little ratchety indents to take the lock ring,
> so that's special, and the ramps (or singular ramp on my 11) is lined up to
> hand the chain off to a particular next position cog.  If they line up
> right, it'll shift right.  If they line up wrong, it might not be quite as
> good.

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[RBW] New Rivideo. D&D paint

[William]

True for most quality youtubes:  The music makes it.  

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[RBW] Re: I like the look of these

[Bill M.]

Toe covers for fingers.

On Nov 21, 4:15 pm, Kelly Sleeper  wrote:
> hmmm.. look like hand splats.

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[RBW] Re: New Rivideo. D&D paint

[Leslie]

Just got the email w/ that link:  awesome to see a Hilsen getting 
painted.   Very cool...


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[RBW] Re: I like the look of these

[Forrest]

I like the idea of turning an okay glove into a super glove (though I 
suppose you could just go ahead and buy super-gloves). These are hilarious, 
and I bet they work great. I might get some if I need to bump an RBW order 
up to $150 to get free shipping. Don't analyze the economic sense of that. 
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[RBW] Re: FS: 1994 Bridgestone MB-1 (Pepper Grey Metallic) 52cm

[Johnny Alien]

Since I was asked a few times via email, I will add here that the standover 
is 29 3/4"

Please feel free to email with any questions!  Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: I like the look of these

[Ginz]

You can wear a wool glove without the permanent sweatiness of a sewn-
in wind/weather layer.  I kind of like it.

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Re: [RBW] Splats - Woulda Thunk It?

[jimD]

Whoa, 
Combine the 'wind shield' and Splats and you'll be totally 'stylin'!
-JimD
On Nov 21, 2011, at 9:25 AM, Ray Shine wrote:

> I have a similar tale, Jim. Now that the Bay Area temps are dropping to the 
> lower side of cool** I have been using the RBW Windshield on my chilly 
> morning commute. It works great and is precisely suited to its intended 
> purpose, but it does look less than elegant.
>  
> **Sidebar anecdote: Way back when, I worked with a guy who was from 
> Minneapolis. We mostly worked outdoors, and often at night. One cold evening 
> (upper 30s)I came to work in my usual winter attire -- long-sleeved shirt, 
> lined windjacket, gloves, etc -- and was dismayed to see John wearing just 
> his usual short-sleeved shirt. When I commented on his garb he said in his 
> typical oh-gosh manner, "Well, back home, this would be considered a heat 
> wave."
>  I suppose one would have had to been there, but even after all these years I 
> chuckle when I think about it.
> 
> From: jimD 
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Mon, November 21, 2011 6:39:38 AM
> Subject: [RBW] Splats - Woulda Thunk It?
> 
> 
> Yesterday I wore my Splats on what passes for a cold ride here in the San 
> Francisco Bay Area.
> 
> It looked like rain, the roads were wet and I was inclined toward dry-ish 
> feet.
> 
> It didn't rain but the temps were in the hi 40's low 50's. To  my surprise my 
> feet were noticeably 
> warmer than they would have been without Splats.
> 
> The only downside to the whole deal was my wife's raucous laughter when she 
> saw me departing.
> Splats are the most non-rascerish piece of cycling gear that I own. Lots 
> easier to put on/take off
> than my racer-ish shoe covers. 
> 
> -JimD
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Re: [RBW] Re: Noticed anything different about front bag handling

[Ken Freeman]

Kelly, I don't think you should suggest the pro-low-trail story is just
rhetoric, much less outright say so.  Just as your experience with front
loads, which nobody is belittling and hence is here respected, my
experience is in favor of reduced trail with front loads.  I don't say it
because of any Kool-aid or other drugs, I say it because I tried it, in an
experiment that satisfies me.  I tried the experiment because I am working
on the purchase of a custom bike for such riding, and wanted to see if it
is worth it to seek out a builder who can do this geometry.  I've concluded
that as long as I'm going custom, it is worthwhile to get low trail for
this type of riding.  Even though my experiment is really not completed
(I'm balking at buying the rack, sometimes the inner cheapskate gets the
better of me), I have concrete indications that low trail is better for
front loads according to how I want to ride.

By doing this experiment (see my first post in this thread for more
information) I turned a suspicion or perhaps a new "old wives' tale" into a
result with some insight.  I'm not saying it works for anyone else; clearly
you and Grant P don't buy it, just for two examples.  But your opinion
differing does not mean mine or that of Steve Palincsar is just "rhetoric"
(making it seem to be part or a fallacious or sophistic argument and hence
negligible).  It simply means our experiences differ.  Really differ.

We can learn something by looking at why they differed, rather than by
descending into ad hominem arguments.  I ask you to stop doing that.
 Science moved forward by establishing a means of publicly accepted (the
public of scientists) inquiry wherein others' assertions were not just
permitted, but expected to be analyzed, critiqued, and tested to verify
their validity (not truth!), and combine the knowledge gained to enrich the
new insights being developed.  That is what we should do, remaining above
arguing ad hominem and in other fallacious modes.  We need to learn from
each other.

My early posts (back to 2005, most likely) on this and other handling
topics were skeptical and in some cases critical.  But  after a while you
ask, is there really something in some of these new ideas?  And by testing
them yourself, which does not require buying three bikes for $5k each, you
can find out what works and what does not.  For me the first eye-opener was
that a 10# front load does not enable a high-trail bike to handle well, and
in my opinion diminishes the handling of an otherwise good frame.  That
alone said I had something to learn.  Perhaps we all do.

On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 7:30 PM, Kelly Sleeper  wrote:

> >It's not only harsh, it's a grotesque distortion and exaggeration of
> >what has been said.  Go ahead and slay the straw man if you like, but
> >don't forget it's a straw man and has little to no relationship to
> >what's actually been said.
>
> Steve ... actually the sentence below actually stated it was this and
> other reading and time wasted... so not really about you or what had been
>  said so far on this thread.  More additional to the thread and NOT an
> exaggeration at all much less a grotesque one.
>
>
> > And not all of the harsh is from this thread and more from all the
> reading and time wasted reading about trail has made me harsh.
> >2 lb worth of handlebar bag you probably wouldn't notice.  Make it 5-6
> >lb, though and I'm confident you will; and 10 lb with the wrong geometry
> >it'll have you swearing.
>
> Obviously our experiences have differed as the pictures I posted would
> also indicate.  It may be "wrong geometry" for you.  But obviously it's not
> a bad geometry for many.  10lbs on the front of my AHH is nothing ... 30lbs
> / 40lbs on front of my Bombadil handles fine.  For me.. maybe not for you..
> if not then don't buy it.  Point being the "low trail" rhetoric / You
> apparently tend to jump up and yell wrong geometry every time someone talks
> about a front load.  It' s just not that simple.  Most people understand
> that.
>
> It's how I feel and I like my bikes.. you like or want low trail great..
> I'm happy for you... the only grotesque exaggeration present was your
> reaction to my post .. and playing thread guard telling others what was
> said and what makes sense and doesn't.
>
> Regards,
>
> Kelly
>
>
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[RBW] Re: I like the look of these

[Manuel Acosta]

Looks like another odd-ball winner! I'm all for it. I'm sick of trying
to check messages on my phone with cold digits.
-Manny

On Nov 21, 6:32 pm, Ginz  wrote:
> You can wear a wool glove without the permanent sweatiness of a sewn-
> in wind/weather layer.  I kind of like it.

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[RBW] Re: I like the look of these

[Garth]

I can honestly there has never been a time in my life I would could ever 
see the benefit of these to myself, and my hands get cold easily ! These 
hand splats must be a California thing or something .. lol  :)

In the 50's I'm fine with good ol' $2.99 brown cotton gloves, in the 40's a 
Windstopper glove. In the 30's a Primaloft glove, and below that Primaloft 
mittens. I fine tune them all with a pair of supposedly disposable-yet 
perfectly reusable nitrile gloves if I want a complete vapor barrier.  But 
hey  everyone's different :)  Glad the hand splats work for someone . 



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[RBW] Re: I like the look of these

[William]

Tell me about nitrile:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/sets/72157626131698281/

In my riding I go up and down hils.  Going up its easy for me to get hot 
and going down it's easy for me to get cold.  Having a system that allows 
me to make significant layering changes in my clothing to stay comfortable 
is useful to me.  

I apologize most sincerely if my confession that a Rivendell Bicycle Works 
product appeals to me was offensive to you or anybody else.  I try to keep 
an open mind.  I don't know everything.  

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Re: [RBW] Hilsen Populaire

[Brian Hanson]

Andrew - these are the VO Porteur bars.  I would love it if Nitto made some
of this style, but these are so inexpensive, I picked up another just to
have a spare.  I have tried 46cm noodles (too much drop for me), and 45cm
Nitto Rando bars (OK, but only on the hoods and curves).  Drops just
haven't ticked for me yet.  I may try a compact drop at some point - I'd
ultimately want a swept out shallowish drop bar with the swept back tops of
the noodles.  Until that happens, it's Porteurs :)  I have gone back to
them time and time again due to my preference of having a way to straighten
up a bit after being stretched out for a while.  I seem to get a few good
positions out of them, and they were plenty comfy for the ride.  I haven't
done anything longer than 100k, so we'll see.

Brian

On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 7:41 PM, Andrew Johnson  wrote:

> Sounds great, and the fall colours must have been sweet to ride through.
>
> Tell us more about your bars:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/stonehog/6373721393/in/set-72157628074460921/
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
>
> On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Brian Hanson  wrote:
>
>> I rode my AHH in the November Populaire 100k today with the Seattle
>> Randonneurs.  This was my longest ride yet, and probably one of the coldest
>> with most of the ride in the 20's and 30's.  I had two wool shirts and a
>> light windbreaker vest which kept me plenty warm.  The only cold spots were
>> my feetsies.  I met at least one other lister there, Stuart, who was also
>> on his first rando ride.  It was a great day to be out, and the folks I
>> rode with were all top notch friendly people.  The bike worked well.  I had
>> it a bit over-racked in the front with the Platrack and just a lil 'ol
>> Acorn Rando bag.  I also had a M/L Acorn saddle bag where I had an extra
>> wool jersey and socks stashed in with my tools.  I definitely could have
>> fit everything I brought into one bag, however.  The ride was uneventful
>> with no flats or wipeouts that I saw.  One guy in a Ferrari having a good
>> time on the open Sunday roads, but that's about it for drama.  I ended up
>> not eating any of the food I brought :)  Just cookies at the controls.  I
>> have a feeling it would change if I was doing a 200k + ride, however.   I'm
>> looking forward to trying one of those in the next few months.  Highly
>> recommended!
>>
>> Good experience overall, and I have been wanting to try this based on all
>> the great ride reports on this list.  Last night, I was pouring over the
>> "what to pack" threads, and found the advice very helpful.
>>
>> A few photos I managed to snap from the day's activity:
>>
>> http://flic.kr/s/aHsjwQKz2B
>>
>> Brian
>>
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