[RBW] Re: FS: Wool Jerseys

[Earl Grey]

Do you have a pic of the green jersey? Is it the same green as the
green jersey with white stripe on the Specials page of the P/O
Cyclewear website:
http://www.oregoncyclewear.com/catalog/item/3163257/7755611.htm

Gernot

On Jan 21, 2:35 pm, Kip Otteson  wrote:
> Are they small larges?  You know what I mean?
>
> On Jan 21, 11:18 am, Clayton Scott  wrote:
>
>
>
> > All are mens size large.On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:17 PM, Clayton Scott 
> >  wrote:
> > > Hi All,
>
> > > Have 3 Portland/Oregon Cyclewear jerseys for sale. All of them in top
> > > shape. No holes. Tried on once.
>
> > > 2x short sleeve main color green with black stripe - $28 each
>
> > > 1x long sleeve main color black with white stripe - $38
>
> > > Thanks,
> > > Clayton

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Re: [RBW] Re: Different weather for different folks

[zeidler . robert]

I appreciate your reply. 
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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 18:56:13 
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Subject: [RBW] Re: Different weather for different folks

First season with it, so not much time to truly assess it.  However it
was purchased and meets needs perfectly for a steel ride that can
handle harsh winter conditions.  This keeps my fair weather bike, a
71cm Nobilette custom, out of the roughest elements the Midwest can
offer.  After riding various bikes that have just been two small,
62-64cm, for the previous decade or so, I have just evolved/converted
to Riv sizing, comfort, and velosophy.
This Bilenky at it's size matches closely and I expect you will find
the same with yours when it arrives in the near future.

Sincerely,
Ryan


On Jan 20, 9:06 pm, robert zeidler  wrote:
> I have a Bilenky coming in March  Interestingly long chainstays.  How
> do you like it?
>
> RGZ
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 7:27 PM, Abcyclehank  wrote:
> > Fair weather riders-
> > Here are a few pictures of my winter ride, 66cm Bilenky with S & S
> > couplers, outfitted with studded tires for traction on icy roads and
> > bike paths. Only a short 7 mile ride outside after snow blowing drive
> > for 45 minutes early afternoon.  Cold weather will push me inside on
> > the trainer the next few day highs expected in single digits with wind
> > chills in the negative teens.  Still love all the seasons but enjoy
> > cycling more in the fall and summer along West Michigan roadways.
>
> > Ryan
>
> >http://gallery.me.com/hankinson10/100248/DSC06139.
> >http://gallery.me.com/hankinson10/100248/DSC06141.
> >http://gallery.me.com/hankinson10/100248/DSC06142.
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[RBW] Re: Different weather for different folks

[MichaelH]

Nice bike.  I like the simplicity.  I found indexed shifting doesn't
hold up in NE winters.  But as soon as the road temps warm enough to
produce slush I couldn't imagine riding without fenders.  I love my
Bilenky coupled tandem and have been thinking about getting a single
retrofitted.

Mostly in the winter I focus on yoga and snow shoeing, since I'm way
out in the boonies.  I keep thinking about buying a set of studded
tires, but then I turn on the weather report and see that the
overnight lows will be -25 and the daytime hi around zero and I think,
maybe not right now.

michael
Westford, VT (and don't bother looking for it on a map, you wont find
it!)

On Jan 20, 7:27 pm, Abcyclehank  wrote:
> Fair weather riders-
> Here are a few pictures of my winter ride, 66cm Bilenky with S & S
> couplers, outfitted with studded tires for traction on icy roads and
> bike paths. Only a short 7 mile ride outside after snow blowing drive
> for 45 minutes early afternoon.  Cold weather will push me inside on
> the trainer the next few day highs expected in single digits with wind
> chills in the negative teens.  Still love all the seasons but enjoy
> cycling more in the fall and summer along West Michigan roadways.
>
> Ryan
>
> http://gallery.me.com/hankinson10/100248/DSC06139.http://gallery.me.com/hankinson10/100248/DSC06141.http://gallery.me.com/hankinson10/100248/DSC06142.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Different weather for different folks

[zeidler . robert]

I know where it is!
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Subject: [RBW] Re: Different weather for different folks

Nice bike.  I like the simplicity.  I found indexed shifting doesn't
hold up in NE winters.  But as soon as the road temps warm enough to
produce slush I couldn't imagine riding without fenders.  I love my
Bilenky coupled tandem and have been thinking about getting a single
retrofitted.

Mostly in the winter I focus on yoga and snow shoeing, since I'm way
out in the boonies.  I keep thinking about buying a set of studded
tires, but then I turn on the weather report and see that the
overnight lows will be -25 and the daytime hi around zero and I think,
maybe not right now.

michael
Westford, VT (and don't bother looking for it on a map, you wont find
it!)

On Jan 20, 7:27 pm, Abcyclehank  wrote:
> Fair weather riders-
> Here are a few pictures of my winter ride, 66cm Bilenky with S & S
> couplers, outfitted with studded tires for traction on icy roads and
> bike paths. Only a short 7 mile ride outside after snow blowing drive
> for 45 minutes early afternoon.  Cold weather will push me inside on
> the trainer the next few day highs expected in single digits with wind
> chills in the negative teens.  Still love all the seasons but enjoy
> cycling more in the fall and summer along West Michigan roadways.
>
> Ryan
>
> http://gallery.me.com/hankinson10/100248/DSC06139.http://gallery.me.com/hankinson10/100248/DSC06141.http://gallery.me.com/hankinson10/100248/DSC06142.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Wool Jerseys

[Gary]

Hi Clayton,

If still available, I'll take the long sleeve one - how much would you
be adding for shipping?  And any discount for a short sleeve one as
well?

Thanks,
gary

On Jan 20, 11:17 pm, Clayton Scott  wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Have 3 Portland/Oregon Cyclewear jerseys for sale. All of them in top shape.
> No holes. Tried on once.
>
> 2x short sleeve main color green with black stripe - $28 each
>
> 1x long sleeve main color black with white stripe - $38
>
> Thanks,
> Clayton

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[RBW] Re: OT: Redirect Notice on Google Groups

[EricP]

Am getting it also.  Not just on this group.  Appears to be a Google
Groups issue.  Probably happened when they changed things around on
the 13th.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

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>
> On Jan 20, 10:30 pm, rob markwardt  wrote:
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>
> > Hi,
> >      Sorry for the off topic post...I'll post a pic of my Bleriot with
> > it's newly arrived fenders as soon as I get them installed...should be
> > on my 2012.
> >     In the past few days, when clicking on a link in a message (only
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> > and pictures of people riding bikes!
> >    Am I the only one getting these?  Is google sucking data from my
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RE: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

It's interesting.  It's not Riv-specific in any way.  But fire away. 

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of robert zeidler
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 5:36 PM
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Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

This is a fantastic discussion!!  No one is calling any names, and we are 
orbiting around the bicycle in our discussion.

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J 
 wrote:
> This thread seems to be veering off into political debate that may be seen by 
> some (me, for example) as outside the scope of the group.
>
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> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18
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> Send it into space.
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> To: 
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> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18
>
> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Leslie  wrote:
>> IMHO, the biggest problem is, it's cheaper to get more uranium than 
>> it is to reprocess the spent fuel.   They 'could' reprocess it, and 
>> recover, maybe upwards of 75%, for further use as nuclear fuel;  it 
>> just costs more than getting more.    So, they end up w/ quantities 
>> of spent fuel, that has to be put somewhere.   That's the issue.   
>> Unless they can figure out how to convert that into stable arborium 
>> for Kevlar, or something else useful, instead of sitting around in 
>> glass or being shipped off to Yucca Mtn, well...
>>
>
> the book "The world without us" by Alan Weisman:
>
> http://www.worldwithoutus.com/index2.html
>
> has a compelling chapter on the long-term storage of spent nuclear fuel and 
> other toxic chemicals.
>
> The paragraphs on the linguists required to label the 'danger areas'
> with adequate warnings so that
> any intelligent life 1 years from now will know to stay away is 
> fascinating.
>
> Well worth your time to read the book.
>
> -sv
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[RBW] Re: OT: Redirect Notice on Google Groups

[Bill M.]

I think this is a security 'feature'.  It prevents you following a
tiny url to a potentially malicious web page without your knowledge.
Not something we have had to worry about here so far, but other groups
attract different sorts of folks.

Bill

On Jan 20, 8:30 pm, rob markwardt  wrote:
> Hi,
>      Sorry for the off topic post...I'll post a pic of my Bleriot with
> it's newly arrived fenders as soon as I get them installed...should be
> on my 2012.
>     In the past few days, when clicking on a link in a message (only
> in Google groups), I get sent to a "redirect notice" page with
> following message:   The previous page is sending you to "wherever the
> link is"and If you do not want to visit that page, you can "go
> back to wherever you came from".  Of course I click on the "where I
> want to go" link (umm, I clicked on  the freeking link because I DO
> want to go there) and it takes me there, but this is taking valuable
> seconds away from me that could be spent looking at bikes, bike parts,
> and pictures of people riding bikes!
>    Am I the only one getting these?  Is google sucking data from my
> computer...boring...most of the time..? Can I get rid of it?
>
> Thank you.
> Rob "I'll now get back to reading that "Micheneresque" post" Markwardt

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Re: [RBW] Re: Do Employers Encourage Bike Commuting? (Was Rivbike Editorial)

[JimD]

I work at a tech company (nvidia) and we have good support for bike  
commuters.

Lockers and showers are available throughout the campus.
I've been riding my bike to work extensively for the past several years.
My commute is ~6 miles one way.
I do it because I really like it and have a route that has low auto  
density.

I keep extra clothes in my office.
The whole deal is pretty ideal.

When I have times when I can't ride and end up  driving, I realize  
that biking to work

is not convenient. Many of the folks on my team have circumstances
(kids, long commutes, fear or danger, aversion to sweat) that preclude  
them from using bikes to get to work.


I've been a bike commuter off and on for the past 20 years. I'm  
skeptical that it

will become a pervasive mode of transportation.

I'll keep doing it as the experience beats the socks off of commuting  
by car.


-JImD

On Jan 20, 2011, at 4:46 PM  Jan 20, 2011, SFF wrote:


I think it would be a great idea if on the Rivendell site they would
add some pictures of new bikes in commuting mode - maybe some nice
shots around SF - by a cable car, around FW etc...right now there are
mainly off road pictures and camping pictures. While I am a bike
camper, that is a very, very small market. If more commuting type
pictures and maybe a section on commuting - what you need to commute
to work etc..were added to the site it might influence a few more
folks to try it out.

Another aspect that should be addressed: If you commute to work by
bike, you save money...easily $50-$100 a month. No other bike activity
that I know of will actually payoff like that. If you are a regular
commuter, you could pay off a Hillborne in a couple of years. Or, you
could easily justify getting that new bag or rack.

Joel

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Re: [RBW] Idaho Stop in NYC

[JimD]

This is perfect.

Like the Intel folks say, 'only the paranoid survive' or something to  
that effect.


And even then...stuff happens.
-JimD

On Jan 20, 2011, at 11:43 AM  Jan 20, 2011, CycloFiend wrote:



My long-standing mantra is to ride as if everyone around me is going  
to do

the worst possible thing at the least opportune moment.


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RE: [RBW] Re: Do Employers Encourage Bike Commuting? (Was Rivbike Editorial)

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

My commutes about 5 miles each way, depending on whether I take the scenic 
route on bike paths along a creek, or direct on city streets.

I'm a partner at a law firm, which (partly at my urging) installed locker rooms 
and showers during a renovation of our offices a few years ago.  I and a couple 
of other partners who like to run at lunch thought it would be a good perk for 
employees to be able to bike to work and/or work out during the day w/o having 
to travel to the Y or a gym.

I'm almost the only one of maybe 150 folks who work here who uses the locker 
room consistently.  I think two things mainly contribute to that: (i) intra-day 
"dress clothing required" appointments, of which lawyers have a bunch, and (ii) 
that bike commuting is uncommon here, and therefore people don't think of it, 
and therefore never get a chance to form the habit of doing it.  Many of my 
colleagues see my bike in my office and comment how much they'd like to ride to 
work, but only one other lawyer ever does (out of 75 or so in this office).

This is a disappointment to me, as we (as the employer) were trying to make 
bike commuting (and more generally exercise) more convenient for employees, but 
the added convenience hasn't had much positive impact.

I would also note that it took me a while (more than a year) to view my bikes 
as my primary commute vehicles, with the car as a back-up when I can't figure 
out the logistics to allow it due to (i) above.  But once I did, it's easy.  
And fun.  And stress-releasing.  And even exhilarating, from time to time.  And 
in a buttoned-down world, just a little eccentric, which is fun in itself as 
well.




From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of JimD
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 9:20 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Do Employers Encourage Bike Commuting? (Was Rivbike 
Editorial)

I work at a tech company (nvidia) and we have good support for bike commuters.
Lockers and showers are available throughout the campus.
I've been riding my bike to work extensively for the past several years.
My commute is ~6 miles one way.
I do it because I really like it and have a route that has low auto density.
I keep extra clothes in my office.
The whole deal is pretty ideal.

When I have times when I can't ride and end up  driving, I realize that biking 
to work
is not convenient. Many of the folks on my team have circumstances
(kids, long commutes, fear or danger, aversion to sweat) that preclude them 
from using bikes to get to work.

I've been a bike commuter off and on for the past 20 years. I'm skeptical that 
it
will become a pervasive mode of transportation.

I'll keep doing it as the experience beats the socks off of commuting by car.

-JImD

On Jan 20, 2011, at 4:46 PM  Jan 20, 2011, SFF wrote:

I think it would be a great idea if on the Rivendell site they would
add some pictures of new bikes in commuting mode - maybe some nice
shots around SF - by a cable car, around FW etc...right now there are
mainly off road pictures and camping pictures. While I am a bike
camper, that is a very, very small market. If more commuting type
pictures and maybe a section on commuting - what you need to commute
to work etc..were added to the site it might influence a few more
folks to try it out.

Another aspect that should be addressed: If you commute to work by
bike, you save money...easily $50-$100 a month. No other bike activity
that I know of will actually payoff like that. If you are a regular
commuter, you could pay off a Hillborne in a couple of years. Or, you
could easily justify getting that new bag or rack.

Joel

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Re: [RBW] Re: Do Employers Encourage Bike Commuting? (Was Rivbike Editorial)

[Ray Shine]

You're correct, Thomas, about the general community attitude toward bike 
commuting.  If the community in which the employer is located also encourages 
biking and other public transit scenarios, more people would use those modes.  
Kudos to you and your fellow employers for leading the way in your community.  
I 
hope it catches on.





From: "Allingham II, Thomas J" 
To: "rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com" 
Sent: Fri, January 21, 2011 6:45:26 AM
Subject: RE: [RBW] Re: Do Employers Encourage Bike Commuting? (Was Rivbike 
Editorial)

 
My commutes about 5 miles each way, depending on  whether I take the scenic 
route on bike paths along a creek, or direct on city  streets.
 
I'm a partner at a law firm, which (partly at my  urging) installed locker 
rooms 
and showers during a renovation of our offices a  few years ago.  I and a 
couple 
of other partners who like to run at lunch  thought it would be a good perk for 
employees to be able to bike to work and/or  work out during the day w/o having 
to travel to the Y or a  gym.
 
I'm almost the only one of maybe 150 folks who work  here who uses the locker 
room consistently.  I think two things mainly  contribute to that: (i) 
intra-day 
"dress clothing required" appointments,  of which lawyers have a bunch, and 
(ii) 
that bike commuting is uncommon here,  and therefore people don't think of it, 
and therefore never get a chance to form  the habit of doing it.  Many of my 
colleagues see my bike in my office and  comment how much they'd like to ride 
to 
work, but only one other lawyer ever  does (out of 75 or so in this office).
 
This is a disappointment to me, as we (as the  employer) were trying to 
make bike commuting (and more generally  exercise) more convenient for 
employees, but the added convenience  hasn't had much positive impact.
 
I would also note that it took me a while (more than  a year) to view my bikes 
as my primary commute vehicles, with the car as a  back-up when I can't figure 
out the logistics to allow it due to (i)  above.  But once I did, it's easy.  
And fun.  And  stress-releasing.  And even exhilarating, from time to time.  
And 
in a  buttoned-down world, just a little eccentric, which is fun in itself as  
well.
 
 



 From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of JimD
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 9:20 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Do Employers  Encourage Bike Commuting? (Was Rivbike 
Editorial)

I work at a tech company (nvidia) and we have good support for bike  commuters. 
Lockers and showers are available throughout the campus.
I've been riding my bike to work extensively for the past several  years.
My commute is ~6 miles one way.
I do it because I really like it and have a route that has low auto  density.
I keep extra clothes in my office.
The whole deal is pretty ideal.

When I have times when I can't ride and end up  driving, I realize  that biking 
to work
is not convenient. Many of the folks on my team have  circumstances 
(kids, long commutes, fear or danger, aversion to sweat) that preclude  them 
from using bikes to get to work.

I've been a bike commuter off and on for the past 20 years. I'm skeptical  that 
it
will become a pervasive mode of transportation.

I'll keep doing it as the experience beats the socks off of commuting by  car.

-JImD

On Jan 20, 2011, at 4:46 PM  Jan 20, 2011, SFF wrote:

I think it would be a great idea if on the Rivendell site theywould
>add some pictures of new bikes in commuting mode - maybe somenice
>shots around SF - by a cable car, around FW etc...right now thereare
>mainly off road pictures and camping pictures. While I am abike
>camper, that is a very, very small market. If more commutingtype
>pictures and maybe a section on commuting - what you need tocommute
>to work etc..were added to the site it might influence a fewmore
>folks to try it out.
>
>Another aspect that should be addressed:If you commute to work by
>bike, you save money...easily $50-$100 a month.No other bike activity
>that I know of will actually payoff like that. Ifyou are a regular
>commuter, you could pay off a Hillborne in a couple ofyears. Or, you
>could easily justify getting that new bag orrack.
>
>Joel
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[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

[jlvota]

What you have to consider about Holland is that gasoline there is the
equivalent of around $7.91/gallon (one of the highest in Europe) and
they have a much different tax system that allows massive funding to
public transit.  They have a progressive income tax rate that peaks at
52% (down from 60% a few years ago), a corporate tax that peaks at
25.5% and a "sales" tax that peaks at 19%.

That being said, there are a lot more factors, incentives, and
advantages about commuting by bicycle in a place like Holland and it's
easy to see why we can't have that here.

On Jan 19, 7:26 am, newenglandbike  wrote:
> Wow, that's a good read.    "Cars and bikes both are vehicles, in the
> same way that a Glock and a Squirtgun are both guns" is a kind of
> potent analogy right now, however imprecise analogies may be.
>
> The point about bicycle culture/laws in Holland, and the reasonability
> of incentives for commuting in a safe, non-polluting manner is
> something that's resonated with me for a long time.   Sometimes I long
> to move to a place like that, but then I wonder why shouldn't I just
> try to be be more active in trying to help change happen here, which
> i'm woefully not and just riding a bike doesn't really do
> anything.     It seems futile riding a bike for 'green' reasons, or
> because you think it's right thing to do-- even if you do it for those
> reasons--   and it's easy to end up suppressing frustration at the
> status quo, but reading stuff like this always brings it back to the
> surface, which is probably a good thing.    um I doubt that makes any
> sense. which means it's probably too early for me to be typing right
> now.   yesterday's ride home west of boston was a slush-ice
> nightmare.   Thank god for studded tires but even they were out of
> their league.     we were expecting some weather, but if i knew it
> would be that bad I would've stayed home.
>
> On Jan 18, 7:23 pm, James Warren  wrote:
>
>
>
> > There's an interesting editorial on rivbike right now about how bikes 
> > aren't the same as cars.
>
> > It reminds me of something I often remember when teaching students: the 
> > idea that doing what's right and fair for a kid is sometimes not the same 
> > thing for any two given kids.
>
> > -Jim W.

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[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

[JoelMatthews]

> That being said, there are a lot more factors, incentives, and
> advantages about commuting by bicycle in a place like Holland and it's
> easy to see why we can't have that here.

With Chinese and Indian fuel consumption pushing gas prices up, it
will not be long before U.S. prices are within spitting distance of
the Netherlands'.   Overall U.S. population density is lower than the
Netherlands.  But more than half of the U.S. population are in its 10
largest metropolitan areas.

Long and short, if we do not find solutions soon, the car dependant
among us are going to be paying more than half their income on fuel.

On Jan 21, 9:12 am, jlvota  wrote:
> What you have to consider about Holland is that gasoline there is the
> equivalent of around $7.91/gallon (one of the highest in Europe) and
> they have a much different tax system that allows massive funding to
> public transit.  They have a progressive income tax rate that peaks at
> 52% (down from 60% a few years ago), a corporate tax that peaks at
> 25.5% and a "sales" tax that peaks at 19%.
>
> That being said, there are a lot more factors, incentives, and
> advantages about commuting by bicycle in a place like Holland and it's
> easy to see why we can't have that here.
>
> On Jan 19, 7:26 am, newenglandbike  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Wow, that's a good read.    "Cars and bikes both are vehicles, in the
> > same way that a Glock and a Squirtgun are both guns" is a kind of
> > potent analogy right now, however imprecise analogies may be.
>
> > The point about bicycle culture/laws in Holland, and the reasonability
> > of incentives for commuting in a safe, non-polluting manner is
> > something that's resonated with me for a long time.   Sometimes I long
> > to move to a place like that, but then I wonder why shouldn't I just
> > try to be be more active in trying to help change happen here, which
> > i'm woefully not and just riding a bike doesn't really do
> > anything.     It seems futile riding a bike for 'green' reasons, or
> > because you think it's right thing to do-- even if you do it for those
> > reasons--   and it's easy to end up suppressing frustration at the
> > status quo, but reading stuff like this always brings it back to the
> > surface, which is probably a good thing.    um I doubt that makes any
> > sense. which means it's probably too early for me to be typing right
> > now.   yesterday's ride home west of boston was a slush-ice
> > nightmare.   Thank god for studded tires but even they were out of
> > their league.     we were expecting some weather, but if i knew it
> > would be that bad I would've stayed home.
>
> > On Jan 18, 7:23 pm, James Warren  wrote:
>
> > > There's an interesting editorial on rivbike right now about how bikes 
> > > aren't the same as cars.
>
> > > It reminds me of something I often remember when teaching students: the 
> > > idea that doing what's right and fair for a kid is sometimes not the same 
> > > thing for any two given kids.
>
> > > -Jim W.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: Oh snap! Now you can buy the ultimate crankset!

[Michael_S]

For some reason I still prefer triples. On a long sustained climb in
the mountains I find I fatigue less easily if I spin at a certain
cadence and force.  I also prefer something in the 38-40 tooth range
for most flatish riding. Coming down long gradual mountians a ring in
the 48-50 range gives me a nice steady pace.  It also allows a tighter
frewheel/cassette so it's easier to find a nice combinatioin in every
terrrain.

The one thing I need to try is something like a 44-29 to see if the 44
can meet most conditions. I have been scouring EBAY looking for 94bcd
cranks so I can cobble something together to try it out.

And $500+ for a crankset seems crazy to me .

~Mike

On Jan 20, 10:27 pm, rinjin  wrote:
> Ah, I see. Well if one of those combinations makes sense for you and
> you need to save some grams over the VO setup then I guess this makes
> a certain kind of sense. For a light-ish road bike I'm pretty happy
> with my 50-34 setup.
>
> Brian
>
> On Jan 20, 10:07 pm, Earl Grey  wrote:
>
>
>
> > The cool thing about the 801 is that it has 74 BCD holes as far out as
> > where the inner chainring sits (I 
> > think):http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/english/ox801d_main_english.htm
> > (A little hard to tell from the website, but if you look at the left-
> > most bolt hole in the third photo you can see that a 74 BCD ring would
> > replace the inner ring; i.e. this is not a triple.)
>
> > So you can replace the inner 110 BCD ring with a 74 BCD ring and run a
> > wide range double with an inner ring down to 24 teeth. A pretty cool
> > idea, and if they make an XD2/XD600 variant like this, I'll buy it in
> > a heartbeat. As far as what's available now, I'd rather get the VO TA
> > copy; cheaper and prettier IMO.
>
> > Gernot
>
> > On Jan 21, 11:37 am, rinjin  wrote:
>
> > > I don't mind the looks so much, but the price seems a little high. Is
> > > there an advantage over a Campy 10s crankset, either Veloce or
> > > Centaur, with PowerTorque? Like this:http://tinyurl.com/4logk38. And
> > > about $300 cheaper. What am I missing? Low Q factor?
>
> > > Brian
> > > Park City
>
> > > On Jan 20, 2:40 pm, William  wrote:
>
> > > >http://store.somafab.com/suoxcoplrocr.html
>
> > > > Soma Fab actually has the Sugino OX801D in stock.  Crankset and BB for
> > > > a whopping $529.  Way too expensive for many of us, and too
> > > > spaceshippy looking for many of us.  That's about what I thought it
> > > > would cost.  Somebody building a totally tricked-out Roadeo should run
> > > > these and show them off.  High-end road bits can still be carbon-free
> > > > if they want to be.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

[robert zeidler]

Nah that won't happen.  Income will go up, inflation will go nuts and
all will be relative.  We'll pay more yes, and we'll deal with it.  I
run a svc company w/ a fleet of 30 +/- vehicles.  If fuel goes up, my
rates will go up, and on and on.  Folks will say, "well we just will
use someone else"  That someone else will pay the same for fuel as I'm
paying.  If it gets too expensive, then we'll go out of business.  If
I end up living in a refrigerator box under a bridge somewhere, but we
stop dumping all these dollars into oil, and war, etc., I'll be happy.
 And I'm a Reagan-ite!  That last bit is not to bring politics into
this, but just to frame my comments.  Despite my conservative
leanings, I'm still anti-oil, anti-war (mostly, but I still give
mightily to support these kids that volunteer to go in harm's way).

The point is, if it happens?  We'll just adapt.  Look at that old CTC
1950's video from England.  No car's hardly.  That's OK by me.

RGZ

On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 10:23 AM, JoelMatthews  wrote:
>> That being said, there are a lot more factors, incentives, and
>> advantages about commuting by bicycle in a place like Holland and it's
>> easy to see why we can't have that here.
>
> With Chinese and Indian fuel consumption pushing gas prices up, it
> will not be long before U.S. prices are within spitting distance of
> the Netherlands'.   Overall U.S. population density is lower than the
> Netherlands.  But more than half of the U.S. population are in its 10
> largest metropolitan areas.
>
> Long and short, if we do not find solutions soon, the car dependant
> among us are going to be paying more than half their income on fuel.
>
> On Jan 21, 9:12 am, jlvota  wrote:
>> What you have to consider about Holland is that gasoline there is the
>> equivalent of around $7.91/gallon (one of the highest in Europe) and
>> they have a much different tax system that allows massive funding to
>> public transit.  They have a progressive income tax rate that peaks at
>> 52% (down from 60% a few years ago), a corporate tax that peaks at
>> 25.5% and a "sales" tax that peaks at 19%.
>>
>> That being said, there are a lot more factors, incentives, and
>> advantages about commuting by bicycle in a place like Holland and it's
>> easy to see why we can't have that here.
>>
>> On Jan 19, 7:26 am, newenglandbike  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > Wow, that's a good read.    "Cars and bikes both are vehicles, in the
>> > same way that a Glock and a Squirtgun are both guns" is a kind of
>> > potent analogy right now, however imprecise analogies may be.
>>
>> > The point about bicycle culture/laws in Holland, and the reasonability
>> > of incentives for commuting in a safe, non-polluting manner is
>> > something that's resonated with me for a long time.   Sometimes I long
>> > to move to a place like that, but then I wonder why shouldn't I just
>> > try to be be more active in trying to help change happen here, which
>> > i'm woefully not and just riding a bike doesn't really do
>> > anything.     It seems futile riding a bike for 'green' reasons, or
>> > because you think it's right thing to do-- even if you do it for those
>> > reasons--   and it's easy to end up suppressing frustration at the
>> > status quo, but reading stuff like this always brings it back to the
>> > surface, which is probably a good thing.    um I doubt that makes any
>> > sense. which means it's probably too early for me to be typing right
>> > now.   yesterday's ride home west of boston was a slush-ice
>> > nightmare.   Thank god for studded tires but even they were out of
>> > their league.     we were expecting some weather, but if i knew it
>> > would be that bad I would've stayed home.
>>
>> > On Jan 18, 7:23 pm, James Warren  wrote:
>>
>> > > There's an interesting editorial on rivbike right now about how bikes 
>> > > aren't the same as cars.
>>
>> > > It reminds me of something I often remember when teaching students: the 
>> > > idea that doing what's right and fair for a kid is sometimes not the 
>> > > same thing for any two given kids.
>>
>> > > -Jim W.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
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[RBW] Re: OT: Redirect Notice on Google Groups

[Pete]

My links recently starting pointing to "about:blank". So I have to
login through google to read the posts.  I assumed this was due to a
recent change on Google groups, but I have not seen a fix yet.

Pete


On Jan 21, 7:16 am, "Bill M."  wrote:
> I think this is a security 'feature'.  It prevents you following a
> tiny url to a potentially malicious web page without your knowledge.
> Not something we have had to worry about here so far, but other groups
> attract different sorts of folks.
>
> Bill
>
> On Jan 20, 8:30 pm, rob markwardt  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hi,
> >      Sorry for the off topic post...I'll post a pic of my Bleriot with
> > it's newly arrived fenders as soon as I get them installed...should be
> > on my 2012.
> >     In the past few days, when clicking on a link in a message (only
> > in Google groups), I get sent to a "redirect notice" page with
> > following message:   The previous page is sending you to "wherever the
> > link is"and If you do not want to visit that page, you can "go
> > back to wherever you came from".  Of course I click on the "where I
> > want to go" link (umm, I clicked on  the freeking link because I DO
> > want to go there) and it takes me there, but this is taking valuable
> > seconds away from me that could be spent looking at bikes, bike parts,
> > and pictures of people riding bikes!
> >    Am I the only one getting these?  Is google sucking data from my
> > computer...boring...most of the time..? Can I get rid of it?
>
> > Thank you.
> > Rob "I'll now get back to reading that "Micheneresque" post" Markwardt- 
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[RBW] Re: Do we need a Hillborne Flickr group?

[Mike Irwin]

Thanks Forrest. I'm really looking forward to this build.

On Jan 20, 9:59 pm, Forrest  wrote:
> Congrats, Mike Irwin, on taking the plunge.  -- Forrest
>
> On Jan 20, 4:14 pm, Mike Irwin  wrote:
>
> > Soon, I'll be able to add my own pics. I just pulled the trigger on a
> > Hillborne frameset and will spend the next month or so diligently
> > building it up. Thanks Jim T. In the meantime, I can use this flickr
> > group to vet my build ideas.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Wool Jerseys

[Clayton Scott]

All jerseys are sold. If I did not get to you personally it is because
someone else was faster. Thanks for all the Replies

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:17 PM, Clayton Scott  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Have 3 Portland/Oregon Cyclewear jerseys for sale. All of them in top
> shape. No holes. Tried on once.
>
> 2x short sleeve main color green with black stripe - $28 each
>
> 1x long sleeve main color black with white stripe - $38
>
> Thanks,
> Clayton
>
>
>

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[RBW] Wool Jerseys are ALL SOLD

[Clayton Scott]

If you did not hear from me personally someone else was faster.

Thanks for all the inquiries!

Clayton

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[RBW] Re: Oh snap! Now you can buy the ultimate crankset!

[Garth]

On Jan 20, 10:20 pm, Earl Grey  wrote:
> Just curious, do any of you folks subscribe to Kirby Palm's crank
> length formula:http://www.nettally.com/palmk/crankset.html
>
> Makes intuitive sense to me, but with my shortish 83PBH I should be
> using a 179mm crank! My first real bike had a 175mm crank (Fisher
> monster cross) and I have stuck with that length because it is the
> closest in length among the commonly available sizes. In a way I guess
> I am splitting the difference between the conventional wisdom and
> Kirby Palm's radical formula. Seems to work for me, but haven't tried
> anything else!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gernot

>

I found his formula too long myself. The longest I used was 185mm.  I
used them for many years. It gave me more leverage for uphills for
sure, and allowed me to stay seated longer climbing, but I've since
gone back to using 175mm arms and I don't miss them at all. I like
being able to spin a little easier. The bottom line though is crank
length doesn't make any difference overall in my riding. I could
easily use 170mm just as well. Back when I started riding, 170mm was
the norm, you never really thought about it. You just rode. Somewhere
along the line we were "told" we need longer arms. We bought the idea.
We called it progress, but  was it really? If I could be transported
back to a time before longer arms I wouldn't even give it a thought.

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[RBW] Re: Oh snap! Now you can buy the ultimate crankset!

[William]

I'm running a 44/30 on a 94mm bolt circle with an 11-28 9 speed
cassette and it's spectacular.  I can cruise easily at 20kph in the
middle of the cogset on the 30.  I can cruise quickly at 20mph in the
middle of the cogset on the 44.  My highest gear is a 44-11 and I can
spin that out on a decent and be right at 40mph, beyond which I always
have been happy to coast.  I'm going to try 46/29 sometime (I already
have the rings), but so far so good.  With a double, the chainline
allows all 18 combinations to be used, although I still avoid the two
extreme crosschain combinations (44-28 and 30-11).  16 totally usable
gears with basically zero overlaps.  Furthermore, with the Campy
compact double front der that Riv sells, my setup miraculously is 99%
trim free.  It's great treating your front shifting like a switch,
instead of gently trying to hit the middle (and, yes, I have a number
of bikes with a triple.  I know how to shift a triple).  On a bike
that won't be heavily loaded, I think having 16 usable and well-spaced
gears between 28 and 104 gear inches is plenty.

On Jan 21, 7:24 am, Michael_S  wrote:
> For some reason I still prefer triples. On a long sustained climb in
> the mountains I find I fatigue less easily if I spin at a certain
> cadence and force.  I also prefer something in the 38-40 tooth range
> for most flatish riding. Coming down long gradual mountians a ring in
> the 48-50 range gives me a nice steady pace.  It also allows a tighter
> frewheel/cassette so it's easier to find a nice combinatioin in every
> terrrain.
>
> The one thing I need to try is something like a 44-29 to see if the 44
> can meet most conditions. I have been scouring EBAY looking for 94bcd
> cranks so I can cobble something together to try it out.
>
> And $500+ for a crankset seems crazy to me .
>
> ~Mike
>
> On Jan 20, 10:27 pm, rinjin  wrote:
>
> > Ah, I see. Well if one of those combinations makes sense for you and
> > you need to save some grams over the VO setup then I guess this makes
> > a certain kind of sense. For a light-ish road bike I'm pretty happy
> > with my 50-34 setup.
>
> > Brian
>
> > On Jan 20, 10:07 pm, Earl Grey  wrote:
>
> > > The cool thing about the 801 is that it has 74 BCD holes as far out as
> > > where the inner chainring sits (I 
> > > think):http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/english/ox801d_main_english.htm
> > > (A little hard to tell from the website, but if you look at the left-
> > > most bolt hole in the third photo you can see that a 74 BCD ring would
> > > replace the inner ring; i.e. this is not a triple.)
>
> > > So you can replace the inner 110 BCD ring with a 74 BCD ring and run a
> > > wide range double with an inner ring down to 24 teeth. A pretty cool
> > > idea, and if they make an XD2/XD600 variant like this, I'll buy it in
> > > a heartbeat. As far as what's available now, I'd rather get the VO TA
> > > copy; cheaper and prettier IMO.
>
> > > Gernot
>
> > > On Jan 21, 11:37 am, rinjin  wrote:
>
> > > > I don't mind the looks so much, but the price seems a little high. Is
> > > > there an advantage over a Campy 10s crankset, either Veloce or
> > > > Centaur, with PowerTorque? Like this:http://tinyurl.com/4logk38. And
> > > > about $300 cheaper. What am I missing? Low Q factor?
>
> > > > Brian
> > > > Park City
>
> > > > On Jan 20, 2:40 pm, William  wrote:
>
> > > > >http://store.somafab.com/suoxcoplrocr.html
>
> > > > > Soma Fab actually has the Sugino OX801D in stock.  Crankset and BB for
> > > > > a whopping $529.  Way too expensive for many of us, and too
> > > > > spaceshippy looking for many of us.  That's about what I thought it
> > > > > would cost.  Somebody building a totally tricked-out Roadeo should run
> > > > > these and show them off.  High-end road bits can still be carbon-free
> > > > > if they want to be.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Do we need a Hillborne Flickr group?

[Earl Grey]

Seems that the first 25 photos or so uploaded to the group have
disappeared without a trace. Have no idea how or why. Does anyone here
have an idea of how to get them back?

Thanks,

Gernot "flickr group administrator in training" Huber


On Jan 21, 12:10 pm, Earl Grey  wrote:
> Congrats. Yes, helping folks with spec'ing their new Sams was part of
> the raison d'etre for creating the group.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gernot
>
> On Jan 21, 5:14 am, Mike Irwin  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Soon, I'll be able to add my own pics. I just pulled the trigger on a
> > Hillborne frameset and will spend the next month or so diligently
> > building it up. Thanks Jim T. In the meantime, I can use this flickr
> > group to vet my build ideas.

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[RBW] Re: Do we need a Hillborne Flickr group?

[William]

I see that, Gernot.  For what it's worth, my 5 photos are among those
that are not seen.  But, if you click on my name among the "top
posters" then you can see my 5 photos.  I think we can probably give
it a little time and they'll show back up.  They don't appear to be
gone-gone.

On Jan 21, 11:19 am, Earl Grey  wrote:
> Seems that the first 25 photos or so uploaded to the group have
> disappeared without a trace. Have no idea how or why. Does anyone here
> have an idea of how to get them back?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gernot "flickr group administrator in training" Huber
>
> On Jan 21, 12:10 pm, Earl Grey  wrote:
>
> > Congrats. Yes, helping folks with spec'ing their new Sams was part of
> > the raison d'etre for creating the group.
>
> > Cheers,
>
> > Gernot
>
> > On Jan 21, 5:14 am, Mike Irwin  wrote:
>
> > > Soon, I'll be able to add my own pics. I just pulled the trigger on a
> > > Hillborne frameset and will spend the next month or so diligently
> > > building it up. Thanks Jim T. In the meantime, I can use this flickr
> > > group to vet my build ideas.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Oh snap! Now you can buy the ultimate crankset!

[Michael_S]

The only concern I would have with that combination is the lack of a
real low gear. There are climbs I do, especially on dirt roads, that
something like a 24-28 or 30 is far easier to maintain for a 30 min.
duration then would be a 30-28.  On shorter climbs you can get out of
the saddle to help and most paved roads are designed and built with
reasonable grades.

I wish there were some curently available cranks in the 94bcd, it
seems to me the perfect design for a compact double without all the
extra bolts of the TA.

~Mike

On Jan 21, 11:11 am, William  wrote:
> I'm running a 44/30 on a 94mm bolt circle with an 11-28 9 speed
> cassette and it's spectacular.  I can cruise easily at 20kph in the
> middle of the cogset on the 30.  I can cruise quickly at 20mph in the
> middle of the cogset on the 44.  My highest gear is a 44-11 and I can
> spin that out on a decent and be right at 40mph, beyond which I always
> have been happy to coast.  I'm going to try 46/29 sometime (I already
> have the rings), but so far so good.  With a double, the chainline
> allows all 18 combinations to be used, although I still avoid the two
> extreme crosschain combinations (44-28 and 30-11).  16 totally usable
> gears with basically zero overlaps.  Furthermore, with the Campy
> compact double front der that Riv sells, my setup miraculously is 99%
> trim free.  It's great treating your front shifting like a switch,
> instead of gently trying to hit the middle (and, yes, I have a number
> of bikes with a triple.  I know how to shift a triple).  On a bike
> that won't be heavily loaded, I think having 16 usable and well-spaced
> gears between 28 and 104 gear inches is plenty.
>
> On Jan 21, 7:24 am, Michael_S  wrote:
>
>
>
> > For some reason I still prefer triples. On a long sustained climb in
> > the mountains I find I fatigue less easily if I spin at a certain
> > cadence and force.  I also prefer something in the 38-40 tooth range
> > for most flatish riding. Coming down long gradual mountians a ring in
> > the 48-50 range gives me a nice steady pace.  It also allows a tighter
> > frewheel/cassette so it's easier to find a nice combinatioin in every
> > terrrain.
>
> > The one thing I need to try is something like a 44-29 to see if the 44
> > can meet most conditions. I have been scouring EBAY looking for 94bcd
> > cranks so I can cobble something together to try it out.
>
> > And $500+ for a crankset seems crazy to me .
>
> > ~Mike
>
> > On Jan 20, 10:27 pm, rinjin  wrote:
>
> > > Ah, I see. Well if one of those combinations makes sense for you and
> > > you need to save some grams over the VO setup then I guess this makes
> > > a certain kind of sense. For a light-ish road bike I'm pretty happy
> > > with my 50-34 setup.
>
> > > Brian
>
> > > On Jan 20, 10:07 pm, Earl Grey  wrote:
>
> > > > The cool thing about the 801 is that it has 74 BCD holes as far out as
> > > > where the inner chainring sits (I 
> > > > think):http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/english/ox801d_main_english.htm
> > > > (A little hard to tell from the website, but if you look at the left-
> > > > most bolt hole in the third photo you can see that a 74 BCD ring would
> > > > replace the inner ring; i.e. this is not a triple.)
>
> > > > So you can replace the inner 110 BCD ring with a 74 BCD ring and run a
> > > > wide range double with an inner ring down to 24 teeth. A pretty cool
> > > > idea, and if they make an XD2/XD600 variant like this, I'll buy it in
> > > > a heartbeat. As far as what's available now, I'd rather get the VO TA
> > > > copy; cheaper and prettier IMO.
>
> > > > Gernot
>
> > > > On Jan 21, 11:37 am, rinjin  wrote:
>
> > > > > I don't mind the looks so much, but the price seems a little high. Is
> > > > > there an advantage over a Campy 10s crankset, either Veloce or
> > > > > Centaur, with PowerTorque? Like this:http://tinyurl.com/4logk38. And
> > > > > about $300 cheaper. What am I missing? Low Q factor?
>
> > > > > Brian
> > > > > Park City
>
> > > > > On Jan 20, 2:40 pm, William  wrote:
>
> > > > > >http://store.somafab.com/suoxcoplrocr.html
>
> > > > > > Soma Fab actually has the Sugino OX801D in stock.  Crankset and BB 
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > a whopping $529.  Way too expensive for many of us, and too
> > > > > > spaceshippy looking for many of us.  That's about what I thought it
> > > > > > would cost.  Somebody building a totally tricked-out Roadeo should 
> > > > > > run
> > > > > > these and show them off.  High-end road bits can still be 
> > > > > > carbon-free
> > > > > > if they want to be.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: Oh snap! Now you can buy the ultimate crankset!

[MichaelH]

The White Industry crank & BB is $100 less, a 100 grams less, far more
versitle, better looking, and made in the USA to boot.
michael

On Jan 21, 3:05 pm, Michael_S  wrote:
> The only concern I would have with that combination is the lack of a
> real low gear. There are climbs I do, especially on dirt roads, that
> something like a 24-28 or 30 is far easier to maintain for a 30 min.
> duration then would be a 30-28.  On shorter climbs you can get out of
> the saddle to help and most paved roads are designed and built with
> reasonable grades.
>
> I wish there were some curently available cranks in the 94bcd, it
> seems to me the perfect design for a compact double without all the
> extra bolts of the TA.
>
> ~Mike
>
> On Jan 21, 11:11 am, William  wrote:
>
>
>
> > I'm running a 44/30 on a 94mm bolt circle with an 11-28 9 speed
> > cassette and it's spectacular.  I can cruise easily at 20kph in the
> > middle of the cogset on the 30.  I can cruise quickly at 20mph in the
> > middle of the cogset on the 44.  My highest gear is a 44-11 and I can
> > spin that out on a decent and be right at 40mph, beyond which I always
> > have been happy to coast.  I'm going to try 46/29 sometime (I already
> > have the rings), but so far so good.  With a double, the chainline
> > allows all 18 combinations to be used, although I still avoid the two
> > extreme crosschain combinations (44-28 and 30-11).  16 totally usable
> > gears with basically zero overlaps.  Furthermore, with the Campy
> > compact double front der that Riv sells, my setup miraculously is 99%
> > trim free.  It's great treating your front shifting like a switch,
> > instead of gently trying to hit the middle (and, yes, I have a number
> > of bikes with a triple.  I know how to shift a triple).  On a bike
> > that won't be heavily loaded, I think having 16 usable and well-spaced
> > gears between 28 and 104 gear inches is plenty.
>
> > On Jan 21, 7:24 am, Michael_S  wrote:
>
> > > For some reason I still prefer triples. On a long sustained climb in
> > > the mountains I find I fatigue less easily if I spin at a certain
> > > cadence and force.  I also prefer something in the 38-40 tooth range
> > > for most flatish riding. Coming down long gradual mountians a ring in
> > > the 48-50 range gives me a nice steady pace.  It also allows a tighter
> > > frewheel/cassette so it's easier to find a nice combinatioin in every
> > > terrrain.
>
> > > The one thing I need to try is something like a 44-29 to see if the 44
> > > can meet most conditions. I have been scouring EBAY looking for 94bcd
> > > cranks so I can cobble something together to try it out.
>
> > > And $500+ for a crankset seems crazy to me .
>
> > > ~Mike
>
> > > On Jan 20, 10:27 pm, rinjin  wrote:
>
> > > > Ah, I see. Well if one of those combinations makes sense for you and
> > > > you need to save some grams over the VO setup then I guess this makes
> > > > a certain kind of sense. For a light-ish road bike I'm pretty happy
> > > > with my 50-34 setup.
>
> > > > Brian
>
> > > > On Jan 20, 10:07 pm, Earl Grey  wrote:
>
> > > > > The cool thing about the 801 is that it has 74 BCD holes as far out as
> > > > > where the inner chainring sits (I 
> > > > > think):http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/english/ox801d_main_english.htm
> > > > > (A little hard to tell from the website, but if you look at the left-
> > > > > most bolt hole in the third photo you can see that a 74 BCD ring would
> > > > > replace the inner ring; i.e. this is not a triple.)
>
> > > > > So you can replace the inner 110 BCD ring with a 74 BCD ring and run a
> > > > > wide range double with an inner ring down to 24 teeth. A pretty cool
> > > > > idea, and if they make an XD2/XD600 variant like this, I'll buy it in
> > > > > a heartbeat. As far as what's available now, I'd rather get the VO TA
> > > > > copy; cheaper and prettier IMO.
>
> > > > > Gernot
>
> > > > > On Jan 21, 11:37 am, rinjin  wrote:
>
> > > > > > I don't mind the looks so much, but the price seems a little high. 
> > > > > > Is
> > > > > > there an advantage over a Campy 10s crankset, either Veloce or
> > > > > > Centaur, with PowerTorque? Like this:http://tinyurl.com/4logk38. And
> > > > > > about $300 cheaper. What am I missing? Low Q factor?
>
> > > > > > Brian
> > > > > > Park City
>
> > > > > > On Jan 20, 2:40 pm, William  wrote:
>
> > > > > > >http://store.somafab.com/suoxcoplrocr.html
>
> > > > > > > Soma Fab actually has the Sugino OX801D in stock.  Crankset and 
> > > > > > > BB for
> > > > > > > a whopping $529.  Way too expensive for many of us, and too
> > > > > > > spaceshippy looking for many of us.  That's about what I thought 
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > would cost.  Somebody building a totally tricked-out Roadeo 
> > > > > > > should run
> > > > > > > these and show them off.  High-end road bits can still be 
> > > > > > > carbon-free
> > > > > > > if they want to be.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show q

[RBW] Re: Oh snap! Now you can buy the ultimate crankset!

[rperks]

Mike,
I love my 50/30 setup on the 94bcd ritcheys, but there is a point on
some grades where I just hop off and push it up.  I draw the line at
granny gears that keep me moving at or less than walking speed.  The
only bummer I have had over the last year and a half is a bit of
deflection in my 50 TA ring.  While the 94 bcd arms provide greater
support than an old TA, there is still some give.  I would speculate
that this would not be as big a problem on a 48 or 46 ring.  In this
regard the 110 bcd of the new Sugino will provide a little better
support for the outer chain ring.

While I have been stock piling Ritchey compact cranks I wran across
these,
http://www.starbike.com/php/product_info.php?lang=en&pid=3377
and they come in colors if that is your thing, blue would probably
look pretty good on my roadeo.  These seem to get good feedback from
the guys on MTBR.  Current exchange rates could get them to your door
with TA rings for about $400.  but if you were shopping at starbike
you might as well pick up a son hub and some lights.

Rob


On Jan 21, 12:05 pm, Michael_S  wrote:
> The only concern I would have with that combination is the lack of a
> real low gear. There are climbs I do, especially on dirt roads, that
> something like a 24-28 or 30 is far easier to maintain for a 30 min.
> duration then would be a 30-28.  On shorter climbs you can get out of
> the saddle to help and most paved roads are designed and built with
> reasonable grades.
>
> I wish there were some curently available cranks in the 94bcd, it
> seems to me the perfect design for a compact double without all the
> extra bolts of the TA.
>
> ~Mike
>
> On Jan 21, 11:11 am, William  wrote:
>
>
>
> > I'm running a 44/30 on a 94mm bolt circle with an 11-28 9 speed
> > cassette and it's spectacular.  I can cruise easily at 20kph in the
> > middle of the cogset on the 30.  I can cruise quickly at 20mph in the
> > middle of the cogset on the 44.  My highest gear is a 44-11 and I can
> > spin that out on a decent and be right at 40mph, beyond which I always
> > have been happy to coast.  I'm going to try 46/29 sometime (I already
> > have the rings), but so far so good.  With a double, the chainline
> > allows all 18 combinations to be used, although I still avoid the two
> > extreme crosschain combinations (44-28 and 30-11).  16 totally usable
> > gears with basically zero overlaps.  Furthermore, with the Campy
> > compact double front der that Riv sells, my setup miraculously is 99%
> > trim free.  It's great treating your front shifting like a switch,
> > instead of gently trying to hit the middle (and, yes, I have a number
> > of bikes with a triple.  I know how to shift a triple).  On a bike
> > that won't be heavily loaded, I think having 16 usable and well-spaced
> > gears between 28 and 104 gear inches is plenty.
>
> > On Jan 21, 7:24 am, Michael_S  wrote:
>
> > > For some reason I still prefer triples. On a long sustained climb in
> > > the mountains I find I fatigue less easily if I spin at a certain
> > > cadence and force.  I also prefer something in the 38-40 tooth range
> > > for most flatish riding. Coming down long gradual mountians a ring in
> > > the 48-50 range gives me a nice steady pace.  It also allows a tighter
> > > frewheel/cassette so it's easier to find a nice combinatioin in every
> > > terrrain.
>
> > > The one thing I need to try is something like a 44-29 to see if the 44
> > > can meet most conditions. I have been scouring EBAY looking for 94bcd
> > > cranks so I can cobble something together to try it out.
>
> > > And $500+ for a crankset seems crazy to me .
>
> > > ~Mike
>
> > > On Jan 20, 10:27 pm, rinjin  wrote:
>
> > > > Ah, I see. Well if one of those combinations makes sense for you and
> > > > you need to save some grams over the VO setup then I guess this makes
> > > > a certain kind of sense. For a light-ish road bike I'm pretty happy
> > > > with my 50-34 setup.
>
> > > > Brian
>
> > > > On Jan 20, 10:07 pm, Earl Grey  wrote:
>
> > > > > The cool thing about the 801 is that it has 74 BCD holes as far out as
> > > > > where the inner chainring sits (I 
> > > > > think):http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/english/ox801d_main_english.htm
> > > > > (A little hard to tell from the website, but if you look at the left-
> > > > > most bolt hole in the third photo you can see that a 74 BCD ring would
> > > > > replace the inner ring; i.e. this is not a triple.)
>
> > > > > So you can replace the inner 110 BCD ring with a 74 BCD ring and run a
> > > > > wide range double with an inner ring down to 24 teeth. A pretty cool
> > > > > idea, and if they make an XD2/XD600 variant like this, I'll buy it in
> > > > > a heartbeat. As far as what's available now, I'd rather get the VO TA
> > > > > copy; cheaper and prettier IMO.
>
> > > > > Gernot
>
> > > > > On Jan 21, 11:37 am, rinjin  wrote:
>
> > > > > > I don't mind the looks so much, but the price seems a little high. 
> > > > > > Is
> > > > > > there an advantage over a Ca

[RBW] Re: Oh snap! Now you can buy the ultimate crankset!

[William]

"The White Industry crank & BB is $100 less":

True, sort of.  $85 less if you choose a steel BB.  $25 less of you
choose a Ti BB

"The White Industry crank & BB is a 100 grams less":

False.  White Crank 665g. White Steel BB 226g.  White Ti BB 165g.  So
830g total or 891g total.  That Sugino is 787g for everything.

"The White Industry crank & BB is far more versatile":

How so?  I'd call this a push.  The White can run any of 8 proprietary
big rings and anything with 5 bolts as a small ring.  The Sugino can
run essentially anything in 110mm as a big ring (which is a number
greater than 8), and anything in 110 or 74 as a small ring.  The only
thing that comes to mind that you can't run on the Sugino is a 22T
small ring.  Among the things you can't run on the White is a 53T big
ring, or a 54.

"The White Industry crank & BB is better looking":

To each his own, but I think they are both very attractive in very
different ways.

"The White Industry crank & BB is made in the USA to boot"

Absolutely true.  And they are nice on the phone.

FWIW, if I received either crankset for my birthday coming up on Feb
8th, I would be thrilled.  :)

My OP was just to point out that the Sugino one is actually available
in the US, which is something I doubted would happen.  It's cool that
there are options.

On Jan 21, 1:58 pm, MichaelH  wrote:
> The White Industry crank & BB is $100 less, a 100 grams less, far more
> versitle, better looking, and made in the USA to boot.
> michael
>
> On Jan 21, 3:05 pm, Michael_S  wrote:
>
> > The only concern I would have with that combination is the lack of a
> > real low gear. There are climbs I do, especially on dirt roads, that
> > something like a 24-28 or 30 is far easier to maintain for a 30 min.
> > duration then would be a 30-28.  On shorter climbs you can get out of
> > the saddle to help and most paved roads are designed and built with
> > reasonable grades.
>
> > I wish there were some curently available cranks in the 94bcd, it
> > seems to me the perfect design for a compact double without all the
> > extra bolts of the TA.
>
> > ~Mike
>
> > On Jan 21, 11:11 am, William  wrote:
>
> > > I'm running a 44/30 on a 94mm bolt circle with an 11-28 9 speed
> > > cassette and it's spectacular.  I can cruise easily at 20kph in the
> > > middle of the cogset on the 30.  I can cruise quickly at 20mph in the
> > > middle of the cogset on the 44.  My highest gear is a 44-11 and I can
> > > spin that out on a decent and be right at 40mph, beyond which I always
> > > have been happy to coast.  I'm going to try 46/29 sometime (I already
> > > have the rings), but so far so good.  With a double, the chainline
> > > allows all 18 combinations to be used, although I still avoid the two
> > > extreme crosschain combinations (44-28 and 30-11).  16 totally usable
> > > gears with basically zero overlaps.  Furthermore, with the Campy
> > > compact double front der that Riv sells, my setup miraculously is 99%
> > > trim free.  It's great treating your front shifting like a switch,
> > > instead of gently trying to hit the middle (and, yes, I have a number
> > > of bikes with a triple.  I know how to shift a triple).  On a bike
> > > that won't be heavily loaded, I think having 16 usable and well-spaced
> > > gears between 28 and 104 gear inches is plenty.
>
> > > On Jan 21, 7:24 am, Michael_S  wrote:
>
> > > > For some reason I still prefer triples. On a long sustained climb in
> > > > the mountains I find I fatigue less easily if I spin at a certain
> > > > cadence and force.  I also prefer something in the 38-40 tooth range
> > > > for most flatish riding. Coming down long gradual mountians a ring in
> > > > the 48-50 range gives me a nice steady pace.  It also allows a tighter
> > > > frewheel/cassette so it's easier to find a nice combinatioin in every
> > > > terrrain.
>
> > > > The one thing I need to try is something like a 44-29 to see if the 44
> > > > can meet most conditions. I have been scouring EBAY looking for 94bcd
> > > > cranks so I can cobble something together to try it out.
>
> > > > And $500+ for a crankset seems crazy to me .
>
> > > > ~Mike
>
> > > > On Jan 20, 10:27 pm, rinjin  wrote:
>
> > > > > Ah, I see. Well if one of those combinations makes sense for you and
> > > > > you need to save some grams over the VO setup then I guess this makes
> > > > > a certain kind of sense. For a light-ish road bike I'm pretty happy
> > > > > with my 50-34 setup.
>
> > > > > Brian
>
> > > > > On Jan 20, 10:07 pm, Earl Grey  wrote:
>
> > > > > > The cool thing about the 801 is that it has 74 BCD holes as far out 
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > where the inner chainring sits (I 
> > > > > > think):http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/english/ox801d_main_english.htm
> > > > > > (A little hard to tell from the website, but if you look at the 
> > > > > > left-
> > > > > > most bolt hole in the third photo you can see that a 74 BCD ring 
> > > > > > would
> > > > > > replace the inner ring; i.e. this is not 

Re: [RBW] Re: Oh snap! Now you can buy the ultimate crankset!

[robert zeidler]

Plus it comes in 180mm!!!  I like the idea of a close ratio cassette,
and a wide range double.  What's the largest spread a double-ring
front der will do?
Any body?  Bueller?  Bueller?

RGZ

On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 6:56 PM, William  wrote:
> "The White Industry crank & BB is $100 less":
>
> True, sort of.  $85 less if you choose a steel BB.  $25 less of you
> choose a Ti BB
>
> "The White Industry crank & BB is a 100 grams less":
>
> False.  White Crank 665g. White Steel BB 226g.  White Ti BB 165g.  So
> 830g total or 891g total.  That Sugino is 787g for everything.
>
> "The White Industry crank & BB is far more versatile":
>
> How so?  I'd call this a push.  The White can run any of 8 proprietary
> big rings and anything with 5 bolts as a small ring.  The Sugino can
> run essentially anything in 110mm as a big ring (which is a number
> greater than 8), and anything in 110 or 74 as a small ring.  The only
> thing that comes to mind that you can't run on the Sugino is a 22T
> small ring.  Among the things you can't run on the White is a 53T big
> ring, or a 54.
>
> "The White Industry crank & BB is better looking":
>
> To each his own, but I think they are both very attractive in very
> different ways.
>
> "The White Industry crank & BB is made in the USA to boot"
>
> Absolutely true.  And they are nice on the phone.
>
> FWIW, if I received either crankset for my birthday coming up on Feb
> 8th, I would be thrilled.  :)
>
> My OP was just to point out that the Sugino one is actually available
> in the US, which is something I doubted would happen.  It's cool that
> there are options.
>
> On Jan 21, 1:58 pm, MichaelH  wrote:
>> The White Industry crank & BB is $100 less, a 100 grams less, far more
>> versitle, better looking, and made in the USA to boot.
>> michael
>>
>> On Jan 21, 3:05 pm, Michael_S  wrote:
>>
>> > The only concern I would have with that combination is the lack of a
>> > real low gear. There are climbs I do, especially on dirt roads, that
>> > something like a 24-28 or 30 is far easier to maintain for a 30 min.
>> > duration then would be a 30-28.  On shorter climbs you can get out of
>> > the saddle to help and most paved roads are designed and built with
>> > reasonable grades.
>>
>> > I wish there were some curently available cranks in the 94bcd, it
>> > seems to me the perfect design for a compact double without all the
>> > extra bolts of the TA.
>>
>> > ~Mike
>>
>> > On Jan 21, 11:11 am, William  wrote:
>>
>> > > I'm running a 44/30 on a 94mm bolt circle with an 11-28 9 speed
>> > > cassette and it's spectacular.  I can cruise easily at 20kph in the
>> > > middle of the cogset on the 30.  I can cruise quickly at 20mph in the
>> > > middle of the cogset on the 44.  My highest gear is a 44-11 and I can
>> > > spin that out on a decent and be right at 40mph, beyond which I always
>> > > have been happy to coast.  I'm going to try 46/29 sometime (I already
>> > > have the rings), but so far so good.  With a double, the chainline
>> > > allows all 18 combinations to be used, although I still avoid the two
>> > > extreme crosschain combinations (44-28 and 30-11).  16 totally usable
>> > > gears with basically zero overlaps.  Furthermore, with the Campy
>> > > compact double front der that Riv sells, my setup miraculously is 99%
>> > > trim free.  It's great treating your front shifting like a switch,
>> > > instead of gently trying to hit the middle (and, yes, I have a number
>> > > of bikes with a triple.  I know how to shift a triple).  On a bike
>> > > that won't be heavily loaded, I think having 16 usable and well-spaced
>> > > gears between 28 and 104 gear inches is plenty.
>>
>> > > On Jan 21, 7:24 am, Michael_S  wrote:
>>
>> > > > For some reason I still prefer triples. On a long sustained climb in
>> > > > the mountains I find I fatigue less easily if I spin at a certain
>> > > > cadence and force.  I also prefer something in the 38-40 tooth range
>> > > > for most flatish riding. Coming down long gradual mountians a ring in
>> > > > the 48-50 range gives me a nice steady pace.  It also allows a tighter
>> > > > frewheel/cassette so it's easier to find a nice combinatioin in every
>> > > > terrrain.
>>
>> > > > The one thing I need to try is something like a 44-29 to see if the 44
>> > > > can meet most conditions. I have been scouring EBAY looking for 94bcd
>> > > > cranks so I can cobble something together to try it out.
>>
>> > > > And $500+ for a crankset seems crazy to me .
>>
>> > > > ~Mike
>>
>> > > > On Jan 20, 10:27 pm, rinjin  wrote:
>>
>> > > > > Ah, I see. Well if one of those combinations makes sense for you and
>> > > > > you need to save some grams over the VO setup then I guess this makes
>> > > > > a certain kind of sense. For a light-ish road bike I'm pretty happy
>> > > > > with my 50-34 setup.
>>
>> > > > > Brian
>>
>> > > > > On Jan 20, 10:07 pm, Earl Grey  wrote:
>>
>> > > > > > The cool thing about the 801 is that it has 74 BCD holes as far 
>> > > > > > out a

[RBW] Re: Oh snap! Now you can buy the ultimate crankset!

[Mike S]

So, in terms of $ per lb., how far off is that from a brick of gold
buillion?

On Jan 21, 8:31 pm, robert zeidler  wrote:
> Plus it comes in 180mm!!!  I like the idea of a close ratio cassette,
> and a wide range double.  What's the largest spread a double-ring
> front der will do?
> Any body?  Bueller?  Bueller?
>
> RGZ
>
> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 6:56 PM, William  wrote:
> > "The White Industry crank & BB is $100 less":
>
> > True, sort of.  $85 less if you choose a steel BB.  $25 less of you
> > choose a Ti BB
>
> > "The White Industry crank & BB is a 100 grams less":
>
> > False.  White Crank 665g. White Steel BB 226g.  White Ti BB 165g.  So
> > 830g total or 891g total.  That Sugino is 787g for everything.
>
> > "The White Industry crank & BB is far more versatile":
>
> > How so?  I'd call this a push.  The White can run any of 8 proprietary
> > big rings and anything with 5 bolts as a small ring.  The Sugino can
> > run essentially anything in 110mm as a big ring (which is a number
> > greater than 8), and anything in 110 or 74 as a small ring.  The only
> > thing that comes to mind that you can't run on the Sugino is a 22T
> > small ring.  Among the things you can't run on the White is a 53T big
> > ring, or a 54.
>
> > "The White Industry crank & BB is better looking":
>
> > To each his own, but I think they are both very attractive in very
> > different ways.
>
> > "The White Industry crank & BB is made in the USA to boot"
>
> > Absolutely true.  And they are nice on the phone.
>
> > FWIW, if I received either crankset for my birthday coming up on Feb
> > 8th, I would be thrilled.  :)
>
> > My OP was just to point out that the Sugino one is actually available
> > in the US, which is something I doubted would happen.  It's cool that
> > there are options.
>
> > On Jan 21, 1:58 pm, MichaelH  wrote:
> >> The White Industry crank & BB is $100 less, a 100 grams less, far more
> >> versitle, better looking, and made in the USA to boot.
> >> michael
>
> >> On Jan 21, 3:05 pm, Michael_S  wrote:
>
> >> > The only concern I would have with that combination is the lack of a
> >> > real low gear. There are climbs I do, especially on dirt roads, that
> >> > something like a 24-28 or 30 is far easier to maintain for a 30 min.
> >> > duration then would be a 30-28.  On shorter climbs you can get out of
> >> > the saddle to help and most paved roads are designed and built with
> >> > reasonable grades.
>
> >> > I wish there were some curently available cranks in the 94bcd, it
> >> > seems to me the perfect design for a compact double without all the
> >> > extra bolts of the TA.
>
> >> > ~Mike
>
> >> > On Jan 21, 11:11 am, William  wrote:
>
> >> > > I'm running a 44/30 on a 94mm bolt circle with an 11-28 9 speed
> >> > > cassette and it's spectacular.  I can cruise easily at 20kph in the
> >> > > middle of the cogset on the 30.  I can cruise quickly at 20mph in the
> >> > > middle of the cogset on the 44.  My highest gear is a 44-11 and I can
> >> > > spin that out on a decent and be right at 40mph, beyond which I always
> >> > > have been happy to coast.  I'm going to try 46/29 sometime (I already
> >> > > have the rings), but so far so good.  With a double, the chainline
> >> > > allows all 18 combinations to be used, although I still avoid the two
> >> > > extreme crosschain combinations (44-28 and 30-11).  16 totally usable
> >> > > gears with basically zero overlaps.  Furthermore, with the Campy
> >> > > compact double front der that Riv sells, my setup miraculously is 99%
> >> > > trim free.  It's great treating your front shifting like a switch,
> >> > > instead of gently trying to hit the middle (and, yes, I have a number
> >> > > of bikes with a triple.  I know how to shift a triple).  On a bike
> >> > > that won't be heavily loaded, I think having 16 usable and well-spaced
> >> > > gears between 28 and 104 gear inches is plenty.
>
> >> > > On Jan 21, 7:24 am, Michael_S  wrote:
>
> >> > > > For some reason I still prefer triples. On a long sustained climb in
> >> > > > the mountains I find I fatigue less easily if I spin at a certain
> >> > > > cadence and force.  I also prefer something in the 38-40 tooth range
> >> > > > for most flatish riding. Coming down long gradual mountians a ring in
> >> > > > the 48-50 range gives me a nice steady pace.  It also allows a 
> >> > > > tighter
> >> > > > frewheel/cassette so it's easier to find a nice combinatioin in every
> >> > > > terrrain.
>
> >> > > > The one thing I need to try is something like a 44-29 to see if the 
> >> > > > 44
> >> > > > can meet most conditions. I have been scouring EBAY looking for 94bcd
> >> > > > cranks so I can cobble something together to try it out.
>
> >> > > > And $500+ for a crankset seems crazy to me .
>
> >> > > > ~Mike
>
> >> > > > On Jan 20, 10:27 pm, rinjin  wrote:
>
> >> > > > > Ah, I see. Well if one of those combinations makes sense for you 
> >> > > > > and
> >> > > > > you need to save some grams over the VO setup th

Re: [RBW] Re: Oh snap! Now you can buy the ultimate crankset!

[Horace]

On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Mike S  wrote:
> So, in terms of $ per lb., how far off is that from a brick of gold
> buillion?
>

It is about 1/60th the price of gold.

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[RBW] Re: 68cm Rambouillet for sale "Do I Detect the Odor of a Rat?"

[Cycletex]

Seller finally responded after three days. No pics. Not real positive
he'll have any anytime soon. Something about it being cold in
Alaska... The last line of the email is: "I must say that I've gotten
several responses so I'll have to close." Hey, no pressure or
anything.

Another interested party contacted me to see if the seller wrote back
and said his inquiries were unanswered and the last mail bounced.
Curious that the seller has only one post on RBW to sell a bike I
mentioned I really wanted in another post...

Anyone happen to know Scott Smith from Alaska with a blue Ram?

Not to be a jerk or anything but does anybody else smell a rat? Feel
free to insert eye roll at my gullibility here...

Regardless, I think I'll pass on sending my $1800 to Scott in Alaska
with the unconfirmed Ram deal in Alaska that must close quickly...

Cycletex

On Jan 19, 10:43 pm, Cycletex  wrote:
> Very interested. PM about to be sent...
>
> On Jan 19, 4:11 pm, sbsmith  wrote:
>
> > For Sale 68cm Rambouillet, blue, exc. condition. It's in Alaska, if
> > that makes a difference. Approx. 2K mi..
> >   Email if interested.
> >   Scott

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[RBW] Re: Question on Bar Ends

[Angus]

Mike,

I use bar end shifters (bar cons) with cork grips on Albatross bars.
It works very well.

I had to file a groove in the cork grips to clear the shifter cable
housing (easy to do in cork).  I believe RBW demonstrated this in a
video and RR article.

This video shows the grove.  I cut mine with a round file.

http://www.youtube.com/user/RivBikeWorks?blend=2&ob=1#p/u/6/0VaUlzsDDvk

Angus

On Jan 20, 9:32 am, Mike Irwin  wrote:
> The bars and stem were a gift from my wife, so I want to still use
> those. The Brooks grips were a gift to myself. So, if I picked up some
> carved cork grips, I think that would be just fine. We'll see how it
> turns out.
>
> On Jan 20, 5:47 am, Thomas Lynn Skean 
> wrote:
>
> > Well, if you've already got the parts lying around, it'd be
> > interesting to try to make that work. My guess, though, is that the
> > cable housing emerging from the bar-end shifter will interfere with
> > the grip's outboard retaining ring. When I asked RBW about whether I
> > could use bar-end shifters with the woodies grips they used to sell,
> > the answer was a straightforward "no" for a similar reason.
>
> > Now, with some creative carving you *might* make it work. Looks iffy
> > at best to me. I'm setting up some Albatross bars with the carved cork
> > grips from RBW right now.
>
> > Or, perhaps try the VO stitch-on leather grips?
>
> > I'd love to hear how it works out.
>
> > Yours,
> > Thomas Lynn Skean
>
> > On Jan 19, 11:48 am, Mike Irwin 
> > wrote:
>
> > > I'm in the planning process for a new steel steed. I'm planning on
> > > going with the Hillborne and building it up to be a fine, upright
> > > country cruiser. I have a set of Albatross bars that I think I'd like
> > > to use and I have the leather Brooks grips.
>
> > > I'd like to know if anyone has experience w/ using bar ends with the
> > > Brooks grips. The shifters will be from a Shimano 105 groupset. I
> > > could always mount them in mountain bike fashion, but I thought the
> > > bar ends would add a level of style and refinement fit for a proper
> > > bicycle.
>
> > > Any ideas?
>
> > > Thanks in advance!
> > > Mike

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[RBW] Re: Generator lighting questions

[Angus]

I have always heard them referred to a "P clamps" or "Adel clamps"
regardless of size.

Angus

On Jan 20, 1:05 pm, Minh  wrote:
> Alan,
>
> this is a nice looking bike, did you paint the fenders yourself?
>
> And i think those clamps for the rear lights are called R-clamps, i
> think the bigger ones are p-clamps?  Or someone can explain that to
> me, this is a great idea, i might steal it for one of my bikes.
>
> On Jan 20, 1:38 am, Allan in Portland  wrote:
>
> > Hello,
>
> > a) On mounting, I'm pretty proud of this liberal use of 
> > p-clamps:http://www.flickr.com/photos/47116230@N00/sets/72157625228844901/
>
> > I'd add the guy who invented P-clamps to the list of I-sure-hope-he-
> > didn't-die-broke.
>
> > b) Neither. I tape it to the side, about 4 o'clock.
>
> > c) Small front rack, but not for the light, that'd be stupid. I'm now
> > running with a Sackville medium up front, which I love. I really have
> > to get an updated photo of the bike with it. I suppose I should admit
> > to some qualifications. One, it's about 2-3 inches too tall for my
> > handlebars. Two, the trail on this bike, at about 55mm IIRC, is a bit
> > at the upper envelop for front loading IMO. But it looks sooo good.
> > What do they say, if you look good then you will feel good. ;-) Or
> > something like that.
>
> > -Allan
>
> > On Jan 17, 9:40 pm, b hamon  wrote:
>
> > > Unscientific poll:
>
> > > a. Rear light mounted to fender -- how many of you have mounted one to a 
> > > (gasp!) plastic fender and how long did it last there before getting 
> > > beaten up beyond repair?
>
> > > b. Wiring: for those kids not cool enough to have it routed internally, 
> > > do you like it mounted on top or underside of tubing?
>
> > > c. Front light mounting: How many of you don't normally use a small front 
> > > rack but specifically installed one to protect the headlight? And how 
> > > many of you just went with a fork crown mount sans rack?
>
> > > Just curious, playing around with some set-up ideas.
> > > Thanks --Beth
>
> > >http://bikelovejones1.blogspot.com/

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[RBW] Re: Updated FS: 3TTT, Sugino, SKF, Quickbeam

[pruckelshaus]

Out of curiosity, what's the arm length on the Alpina's?

On Jan 20, 1:56 pm, Clayton Scott  wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Just a few things unclaimed:
>
> - 3ttt ProChrome stem made from columbus tubing (silver), 12cm, Excellent
> condition: $35
>
> - SKF 110 JIS bb, excellend condition: $75
>
> - Sugino Alpina crank, 48/34 compact, rings new, arms: logo rubbed off in
> some areas otherwise in good condition: $95
>
> As previously all prices include shipping.
>
> Of course I still have the frame too: 62cm Quickbeam (60cm ctc), silver,
> from the very last run. In excellent shape, no dings, dents or scratches,
> never crashed, framesavered and always stored inside. Comes with rack and
> headset. $950. For this I will need actual shipping
>
> Thanks,
> Clayton

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[RBW] Re: Oh snap! Now you can buy the ultimate crankset!

[pruckelshaus]

Nice, but $529 is STEEP.  I think I'd rather see something like the
Mighty Tour 
http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/english/chainwheelset_MightytourPE110s_english.htm



On Jan 20, 4:40 pm, William  wrote:
> http://store.somafab.com/suoxcoplrocr.html
>
> Soma Fab actually has the Sugino OX801D in stock.  Crankset and BB for
> a whopping $529.  Way too expensive for many of us, and too
> spaceshippy looking for many of us.  That's about what I thought it
> would cost.  Somebody building a totally tricked-out Roadeo should run
> these and show them off.  High-end road bits can still be carbon-free
> if they want to be.

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