So, in terms of $ per lb., how far off is that from a brick of gold buillion?
On Jan 21, 8:31 pm, robert zeidler <zeidler.rob...@gmail.com> wrote: > Plus it comes in 180mm!!! I like the idea of a close ratio cassette, > and a wide range double. What's the largest spread a double-ring > front der will do? > Any body? Bueller? Bueller? > > RGZ > > On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 6:56 PM, William <tapebu...@gmail.com> wrote: > > "The White Industry crank & BB is $100 less": > > > True, sort of. $85 less if you choose a steel BB. $25 less of you > > choose a Ti BB > > > "The White Industry crank & BB is a 100 grams less": > > > False. White Crank 665g. White Steel BB 226g. White Ti BB 165g. So > > 830g total or 891g total. That Sugino is 787g for everything. > > > "The White Industry crank & BB is far more versatile": > > > How so? I'd call this a push. The White can run any of 8 proprietary > > big rings and anything with 5 bolts as a small ring. The Sugino can > > run essentially anything in 110mm as a big ring (which is a number > > greater than 8), and anything in 110 or 74 as a small ring. The only > > thing that comes to mind that you can't run on the Sugino is a 22T > > small ring. Among the things you can't run on the White is a 53T big > > ring, or a 54. > > > "The White Industry crank & BB is better looking": > > > To each his own, but I think they are both very attractive in very > > different ways. > > > "The White Industry crank & BB is made in the USA to boot" > > > Absolutely true. And they are nice on the phone. > > > FWIW, if I received either crankset for my birthday coming up on Feb > > 8th, I would be thrilled. :) > > > My OP was just to point out that the Sugino one is actually available > > in the US, which is something I doubted would happen. It's cool that > > there are options. > > > On Jan 21, 1:58 pm, MichaelH <mhech...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> The White Industry crank & BB is $100 less, a 100 grams less, far more > >> versitle, better looking, and made in the USA to boot. > >> michael > > >> On Jan 21, 3:05 pm, Michael_S <mikeybi...@rocketmail.com> wrote: > > >> > The only concern I would have with that combination is the lack of a > >> > real low gear. There are climbs I do, especially on dirt roads, that > >> > something like a 24-28 or 30 is far easier to maintain for a 30 min. > >> > duration then would be a 30-28. On shorter climbs you can get out of > >> > the saddle to help and most paved roads are designed and built with > >> > reasonable grades. > > >> > I wish there were some curently available cranks in the 94bcd, it > >> > seems to me the perfect design for a compact double without all the > >> > extra bolts of the TA. > > >> > ~Mike > > >> > On Jan 21, 11:11 am, William <tapebu...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > > I'm running a 44/30 on a 94mm bolt circle with an 11-28 9 speed > >> > > cassette and it's spectacular. I can cruise easily at 20kph in the > >> > > middle of the cogset on the 30. I can cruise quickly at 20mph in the > >> > > middle of the cogset on the 44. My highest gear is a 44-11 and I can > >> > > spin that out on a decent and be right at 40mph, beyond which I always > >> > > have been happy to coast. I'm going to try 46/29 sometime (I already > >> > > have the rings), but so far so good. With a double, the chainline > >> > > allows all 18 combinations to be used, although I still avoid the two > >> > > extreme crosschain combinations (44-28 and 30-11). 16 totally usable > >> > > gears with basically zero overlaps. Furthermore, with the Campy > >> > > compact double front der that Riv sells, my setup miraculously is 99% > >> > > trim free. It's great treating your front shifting like a switch, > >> > > instead of gently trying to hit the middle (and, yes, I have a number > >> > > of bikes with a triple. I know how to shift a triple). On a bike > >> > > that won't be heavily loaded, I think having 16 usable and well-spaced > >> > > gears between 28 and 104 gear inches is plenty. > > >> > > On Jan 21, 7:24 am, Michael_S <mikeybi...@rocketmail.com> wrote: > > >> > > > For some reason I still prefer triples. On a long sustained climb in > >> > > > the mountains I find I fatigue less easily if I spin at a certain > >> > > > cadence and force. I also prefer something in the 38-40 tooth range > >> > > > for most flatish riding. Coming down long gradual mountians a ring in > >> > > > the 48-50 range gives me a nice steady pace. It also allows a > >> > > > tighter > >> > > > frewheel/cassette so it's easier to find a nice combinatioin in every > >> > > > terrrain. > > >> > > > The one thing I need to try is something like a 44-29 to see if the > >> > > > 44 > >> > > > can meet most conditions. I have been scouring EBAY looking for 94bcd > >> > > > cranks so I can cobble something together to try it out. > > >> > > > And $500+ for a crankset seems crazy to me . > > >> > > > ~Mike > > >> > > > On Jan 20, 10:27 pm, rinjin <feltov...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > > > > Ah, I see. Well if one of those combinations makes sense for you > >> > > > > and > >> > > > > you need to save some grams over the VO setup then I guess this > >> > > > > makes > >> > > > > a certain kind of sense. For a light-ish road bike I'm pretty happy > >> > > > > with my 50-34 setup. > > >> > > > > Brian > > >> > > > > On Jan 20, 10:07 pm, Earl Grey <earlg...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > > > > > The cool thing about the 801 is that it has 74 BCD holes as far > >> > > > > > out as > >> > > > > > where the inner chainring sits (I > >> > > > > > think):http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/english/ox801d_main_english.htm > >> > > > > > (A little hard to tell from the website, but if you look at the > >> > > > > > left- > >> > > > > > most bolt hole in the third photo you can see that a 74 BCD ring > >> > > > > > would > >> > > > > > replace the inner ring; i.e. this is not a triple.) > > >> > > > > > So you can replace the inner 110 BCD ring with a 74 BCD ring and > >> > > > > > run a > >> > > > > > wide range double with an inner ring down to 24 teeth. A pretty > >> > > > > > cool > >> > > > > > idea, and if they make an XD2/XD600 variant like this, I'll buy > >> > > > > > it in > >> > > > > > a heartbeat. As far as what's available now, I'd rather get the > >> > > > > > VO TA > >> > > > > > copy; cheaper and prettier IMO. > > >> > > > > > Gernot > > >> > > > > > On Jan 21, 11:37 am, rinjin <feltov...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > I don't mind the looks so much, but the price seems a little > >> > > > > > > high. Is > >> > > > > > > there an advantage over a Campy 10s crankset, either Veloce or > >> > > > > > > Centaur, with PowerTorque? Like > >> > > > > > > this:http://tinyurl.com/4logk38. And > >> > > > > > > about $300 cheaper. What am I missing? Low Q factor? > > >> > > > > > > Brian > >> > > > > > > Park City > > >> > > > > > > On Jan 20, 2:40 pm, William <tapebu...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > >http://store.somafab.com/suoxcoplrocr.html > > >> > > > > > > > Soma Fab actually has the Sugino OX801D in stock. Crankset > >> > > > > > > > and BB for > >> > > > > > > > a whopping $529. Way too expensive for many of us, and too > >> > > > > > > > spaceshippy looking for many of us. That's about what I > >> > > > > > > > thought it > >> > > > > > > > would cost. Somebody building a totally tricked-out Roadeo > >> > > > > > > > should run > >> > > > > > > > these and show them off. High-end road bits can still be > >> > > > > > > > carbon-free > >> > > > > > > > if they want to be.- Hide quoted text - > > >> > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > >> > > - Show quoted text - > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
