[MlMt] latest version/update crashes during load..help?
Hi, Latest version of mailmate that I downloaded/updated to yesterday now crashes a few seconds after it have shown the main window. its too short for me to go check if there is a new update or even rollback. thus i'm now "stuck" using gmail webui...please help :) -- /max http://about.me/maxandersen ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] latest version/update crashes during load..help?
On 30 Sep 2020, at 11:21, Max Andersen wrote: thus i'm now "stuck" using gmail webui...please help :) Can't you go to the web site and download from there? https://freron.com/download/ = jem ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] latest version/update crashes during load..help?
On 30 Sep 2020, at 19:21, Max Andersen wrote: Latest version of mailmate that I downloaded/updated to yesterday now crashes a few seconds after it have shown the main window. its too short for me to go check if there is a new update or even rollback. That is similar to my recent problem — reported via “Help>Send Feedback…” Lots of crashes while my internet connection was dog slow, and then MailMate was able to get through its startup ok when the internet connection improved. There was an account “unavailable” with a message stuck in its “Sent” mailbox that seemed to be featured in the crash logs according to Benny So… was there a connection problem during the MM startup? Gavan Schneider —— Gavan Schneider, Sodwalls, NSW, Australia Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong. The ancients, in the case at bar, laid the blame upon the gods: sometimes they were remote and surly, and sometimes they were kind. In the Middle Ages lesser powers took a hand in the matter, and so one reads of works of art inspired by Our Lady, by the Blessed Saints, by the souls of the departed, and even by the devil. H. L. Mencken, 1920 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] latest version/update crashes during load..help?
i just see the screen popup showing tree and message list and first message rendered and then it dies quickly there after. On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 12:22 PM Gavan Schneider wrote: > On 30 Sep 2020, at 19:21, Max Andersen wrote: > > > Latest version of mailmate that I downloaded/updated to yesterday now > > crashes a few seconds after it have shown the main window. > > > > its too short for me to go check if there is a new update or even > > rollback. > > > That is similar to my recent problem — reported via “Help>Send > Feedback…” > Lots of crashes while my internet connection was dog slow, and then > MailMate was able to get through its startup ok when the internet > connection improved. > There was an account “unavailable” with a message stuck in its > “Sent” mailbox that seemed to be featured in the crash logs > according to Benny > > So… was there a connection problem during the MM startup? > > > Gavan Schneider > —— > Gavan Schneider, Sodwalls, NSW, Australia > Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a > well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and > wrong. The ancients, in the case at bar, laid the blame upon the gods: > sometimes they were remote and surly, and sometimes they were kind. In > the Middle Ages lesser powers took a hand in the matter, and so one > reads of works of art inspired by Our Lady, by the Blessed Saints, by > the souls of the departed, and even by the devil. H. L. Mencken, 1920 > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > -- /max http://about.me/maxandersen ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] latest version/update crashes during load..help?
Same problem here. Seemed to start when I upgraded to MacOS 10.15.7 last night though may be a coincidence. Seems to be related to connecting to a particular IMAP source. Not related to version of Mailmate as I tried reverting to latest pubic build (r5673) and no difference. This email written on r5722 after the fix below. My fix: Disconnect from internet by turning WiFi off Start Mailmate - it doesn’t crash. Set all sources to offline Turn on WiFi Go through sources one by one to set online. I found one source that was causing the crash (not a Google or Microsoft email server) hosted at `genotec.ch`, sorry I don’t know what software the server is running (or if that’s relevant). Hope that helps, Regards Jim i just see the screen popup showing tree and message list and first message rendered and then it dies quickly there after. On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 12:22 PM Gavan Schneider galeel.com> wrote: On 30 Sep 2020, at 19:21, Max Andersen wrote: Latest version of mailmate that I downloaded/updated to yesterday now crashes a few seconds after it have shown the main window. its too short for me to go check if there is a new update or even rollback. That is similar to my recent problem — reported via “Help>Send Feedback…” Lots of crashes while my internet connection was dog slow, and then MailMate was able to get through its startup ok when the internet connection improved. There was an account “unavailable” with a message stuck in its “Sent” mailbox that seemed to be featured in the crash logs according to Benny So… was there a connection problem during the MM startup? Gavan Schneider —— Gavan Schneider, Sodwalls, NSW, Australia Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong. The ancients, in the case at bar, laid the blame upon the gods: sometimes they were remote and surly, and sometimes they were kind. In the Middle Ages lesser powers took a hand in the matter, and so one reads of works of art inspired by Our Lady, by the Blessed Saints, by the souls of the departed, and even by the devil. H. L. Mencken, 1920 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate at lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Keybindings for non-US keyboards
Hi, I usually use a German keymapping which means that certain common application keyboard shortcuts such as anything involving square or curly brackets are a challenge as I have to remember these. I'm sure I'm not alone in this, so my question is: how do others manage with the commands like next mail view or changing the indentation level? Increase indentation cmd + [ becomes be alt + cmd + 6 on my keyboard And I've no idea how to get alt + cmd + [ because I'd need alt twice! Charlie -- Charlie Clark Kronenstr. 27a Düsseldorf D- 40217 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] latest version/update crashes during load..help?
On 30 Sep 2020, at 21:03, Max Andersen wrote: i just see the screen popup showing tree and message list and first message rendered and then it dies quickly there after. While this was happening did you just happen to notice in what state your internet connection might have been? If your internet connection was normal at that time then I doubt my problem is/was treated to yours, otherwise it might be a clue to an underlying issue. Gavan Schneider —— Gavan Schneider, Sodwalls, NSW, Australia Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong. The ancients, in the case at bar, laid the blame upon the gods: sometimes they were remote and surly, and sometimes they were kind. In the Middle Ages lesser powers took a hand in the matter, and so one reads of works of art inspired by Our Lady, by the Blessed Saints, by the souls of the departed, and even by the devil. H. L. Mencken, 1920 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] "Folders" and Unread Messages
On 28 Sep 2020, at 15:08, Oliver Groschopp wrote: > On 28 Sep 2020, at 10:25, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: > >> On 26 Sep 2020, at 19:55, Oliver Groschopp wrote: >> >>> I have created a folder in Mailmate (Smart Mailbox) There I put all my >>> mails from forums under it. >>> >>> Now I want to see the unread mails of all mailboxes in the "Forums" folder. >> >> When you select the “Forums” mailbox then what do you see in the “Mailbox ▸ >> Displayed Count” menu? >> > „Unread“! Then it sounds like it could be a bug. Use “Help ▸ Send Feedback” to send me the following file: /Users//Library/Application Support/Mailboxes.plist Then I'll see if I can reproduce similar behavior. -- Benny https://freron.com/become_a_mailmate_patron/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] latest version/update crashes during load..help?
normal internet - i'm on wired connection and everything else was fine. On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 2:27 PM Gavan Schneider wrote: > On 30 Sep 2020, at 21:03, Max Andersen wrote: > > > i just see the screen popup showing tree and message list and first > > message > > rendered and then it dies quickly there after. > > > While this was happening did you just happen to notice in what state > your internet connection might have been? > > If your internet connection was normal at that time then I doubt my > problem is/was treated to yours, otherwise it might be a clue to an > underlying issue. > > Gavan Schneider > —— > Gavan Schneider, Sodwalls, NSW, Australia > Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a > well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and > wrong. The ancients, in the case at bar, laid the blame upon the gods: > sometimes they were remote and surly, and sometimes they were kind. In > the Middle Ages lesser powers took a hand in the matter, and so one > reads of works of art inspired by Our Lady, by the Blessed Saints, by > the souls of the departed, and even by the devil. H. L. Mencken, 1920 > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > -- /max http://about.me/maxandersen ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] big sur, new message view window issue
On 28 Sep 2020, at 17:02, Glenn Parker wrote: > On Catalina 10.15.6 and MailMate 1.13.2 (5721) I am seeing 3 instances of > MTLCompilerService spawned each time I open a message viewer or navigate the > viewer to a different message. I seem to be able to trigger these when viewing emails containing images. I'm guessing it's the WKWebView (the primary Apple GUI element used to display emails) which uses the GPU for some data processing. > I also see those processes labeled, “about:”. The MTLCompilerService > processes all run at 100% I'm not seeing the 100% behavior, but maybe that's related to the specific emails you are displaying. When I reduce the number of “about:” processes running then I believe it should also decrease the number of MTLCompilerServices (and the amount of memory used). > CPU for about 10 seconds then disappear. It’s pretty noticeable when my > laptop fan suddenly kicks in just for opening a message. :-) Are these emails large and/or are you low on memory? -- Benny https://freron.com/become_a_mailmate_patron/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] latest version/update crashes during load..help?
so i downloaded new version - it starts up ...but still crashes - just takes a few more seconds.;/ On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 11:47 AM Jan Erik Moström wrote: > On 30 Sep 2020, at 11:21, Max Andersen wrote: > > > thus i'm now "stuck" using gmail webui...please help :) > > Can't you go to the web site and download from there? > https://freron.com/download/ > > = jem > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > -- /max http://about.me/maxandersen ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Comments on migrating from Mulberry (and Thunderbird)
On 29 Sep 2020, at 14:17, Raza Rizvi wrote: >>> 3. I have MmDeleteBehavior -string "markAsDeleted" but is there an Expunge >>> on disconnect option somewhere? I do it manually using the Experimental 2.0 >>> prefs checkbox notes. >> >> No, but I think this one works (which might be what you actually want): >> >> defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmAutomaticExpungeBehavior -string >> "mailboxSwitch" > > No, that is way too eager. It deletes messages from Mailbox 1 as you look at > Mailbox 2. My (low priority) request was for something that did an Expunge on > (clean) exit of the application. Ok, that would be tricky since it would require MailMate to reconnect to all mailboxes with deleted messages on exit. It also seems a bit strange (to me) to require closing MailMate to expunge messages, but I usually never quit applications unless I have to. A “naive” implementation would prepare all the emails for deletion on exit, but in practice it would (mostly) happen when MailMate was launched... -- Benny https://freron.com/become_a_mailmate_patron/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] big sur, new message view window issue
I'll chime in here with my own observations: * The processes seem to be related to opening new emails (I get both an "about:" and some number of MTLCompilerServices) * The processes don't seem to spawn when opening a previously-opened email * W.R.T. memory consumption -- I haven't noticed whether the memory used by the processes depended on the size of the email, but I have seen MailMate's memory usage (as reported by iStat Menus) exceed 15GB -- I now periodically check, and restart the app when it gets near 10GB (I'm restarting at least daily). Currently, it's at 4.9. Cheers! Marco On 30 Sep 2020, at 9:00, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 28 Sep 2020, at 17:02, Glenn Parker wrote: On Catalina 10.15.6 and MailMate 1.13.2 (5721) I am seeing 3 instances of MTLCompilerService spawned each time I open a message viewer or navigate the viewer to a different message. I seem to be able to trigger these when viewing emails containing images. I'm guessing it's the WKWebView (the primary Apple GUI element used to display emails) which uses the GPU for some data processing. I also see those processes labeled, “about:”. The MTLCompilerService processes all run at 100% I'm not seeing the 100% behavior, but maybe that's related to the specific emails you are displaying. When I reduce the number of “about:” processes running then I believe it should also decrease the number of MTLCompilerServices (and the amount of memory used). CPU for about 10 seconds then disappear. It’s pretty noticeable when my laptop fan suddenly kicks in just for opening a message. :-) Are these emails large and/or are you low on memory? -- Benny https://freron.com/become_a_mailmate_patron/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] latest version/update crashes during load..help?
On 30 Sep 2020, at 13:37, Jim Cook wrote: > I found one source that was causing the crash (not a Google or Microsoft > email server) hosted at `genotec.ch`, sorry I don’t know what software the > server is running (or if that’s relevant). Thanks for the details. Let's debug this one off list. Start by sending the output (after a crash) in a Terminal window if you launch MailMate like this: /Applications/MailMate.app/Contents/MacOS/MailMate (Use “Help ▸ Send Feedback”.) -- Benny https://freron.com/become_a_mailmate_patron/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] latest version/update crashes during load..help?
On 30 Sep 2020, at 15:04, Max Andersen wrote: > so i downloaded new version - it starts up ...but still crashes - just > takes a few more seconds.;/ Please also send me the output (after a crash) in a Terminal window if you launch MailMate like this: /Applications/MailMate.app/Contents/MacOS/MailMate (Use “Help ▸ Send Feedback”.) -- Benny https://freron.com/become_a_mailmate_patron/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] big sur, new message view window issue
On 30 Sep 2020, at 15:15, Marco Qualizza wrote: > I'll chime in here with my own observations: > > * The processes seem to be related to opening new emails (I get both an > "about:" and some number of MTLCompilerServices) That makes sense. > * The processes don't seem to spawn when opening a previously-opened email This is because MailMate currently caches some number of the views used to make switching recent messages faster. (And this is what I have to change to reduce memory usage.) > * W.R.T. memory consumption -- I haven't noticed whether the memory used by > the processes depended on the size of the email, but I have seen MailMate's > memory usage (as reported by iStat Menus) exceed 15GB -- I now periodically > check, and restart the app when it gets near 10GB (I'm restarting at least > daily). Currently, it's at 4.9. Hmm, that does sound extreme. What is the size of your “All Messages” mailbox (number of messages)? -- Benny https://freron.com/become_a_mailmate_patron/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] big sur, new message view window issue
With regards to memory consumption, I should clarify: the numbers I quoted include all of the processes spawned by MailMate. Currently, according to Activity Monitor, MailMate itself is running at a (relatively) svelte 950MB, and My All Messages shows 311097 (with All / Junk / Deleted at 311175 and All Message Subparts at 743438). Cheers, Marco On 30 Sep 2020, at 9:28, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 30 Sep 2020, at 15:15, Marco Qualizza wrote: I'll chime in here with my own observations: * The processes seem to be related to opening new emails (I get both an "about:" and some number of MTLCompilerServices) That makes sense. * The processes don't seem to spawn when opening a previously-opened email This is because MailMate currently caches some number of the views used to make switching recent messages faster. (And this is what I have to change to reduce memory usage.) * W.R.T. memory consumption -- I haven't noticed whether the memory used by the processes depended on the size of the email, but I have seen MailMate's memory usage (as reported by iStat Menus) exceed 15GB -- I now periodically check, and restart the app when it gets near 10GB (I'm restarting at least daily). Currently, it's at 4.9. Hmm, that does sound extreme. What is the size of your “All Messages” mailbox (number of messages)? -- Benny https://freron.com/become_a_mailmate_patron/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] big sur, new message view window issue
On 30 Sep 2020, at 9:00, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: When I reduce the number of “about:” processes running then I believe it should also decrease the number of MTLCompilerServices (and the amount of memory used). One concern is that these processes don’t seem to be going away after I close a message view. I’m using 5722 and I currently have 11 “about:” processes and 14 MTLCompilerService processes. Are these emails large and/or are you low on memory? Not particularly large emails or images, just a typical variety, though some are “image-heavy” (political fundraising usually is). It’s not a matter of running low on memory for me. I have 64 GB of RAM with about 21GB in use. The primary MailMate process is currently using 300MB, with another 3MB for 1 MailMate Networking process, anywhere from 8MB to 14MB for each “about:” process, and from 9MB up to 60MB for each MTLCompilerService. Glenn P. Parker glenn.par...@comcast.net ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] big sur, new message view window issue
On 30 Sep 2020, at 11:09, Glenn Parker wrote: One concern is that these processes don’t seem to be going away after I close a message view. I’m using 5722 and I currently have 11 “about:” processes and 14 MTLCompilerService processes. After just a few more minutes of email browsing, I now have 66 “about:” and 26 MTLCompilerService processes. If it makes any difference, I view all my messages in a separate window, but I rarely leave multiple message windows open. I have also disabled message previews. Glenn P. Parker glenn.par...@comcast.net ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Keybindings for non-US keyboards
On 30 Sep 2020, at 7:58, Charlie Clark wrote: Increase indentation cmd + [ becomes be alt + cmd + 6 on my keyboard And I've no idea how to get alt + cmd + [ because I'd need alt twice! Typically "Alt" (common on Windows keyboards) is mapped to the Mac "Option" key rather than "Command" (a.k.a. "cloverleaf".) Does your keyboard have a 3rd modifier key of some sort, i.e. Control, Alt, and Something Else? I know that Windows keyboards usually have a Windows key, which is often mapped to Mac's Command. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] big sur, new message view window issue
On 30 Sep 2020, at 11:21, Glenn Parker wrote: On 30 Sep 2020, at 11:09, Glenn Parker wrote: One concern is that these processes don’t seem to be going away after I close a message view. I’m using 5722 and I currently have 11 “about:” processes and 14 MTLCompilerService processes. After just a few more minutes of email browsing, I now have 66 “about:” and 26 MTLCompilerService processes. And after quitting MailMate, I was left with 12 MTLCompilerService processes, so maybe these are not the real problem. I seem to be adding multiple “about:” processes each time I advance to another message. It doesn’t matter if the message is new or not. More complicated messages seem to spawn more “about:” processes. A text-only message gave me 2, while an image-heavy message created 9. Glenn P. Parker glenn.par...@comcast.net ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] latest version/update crashes during load..help?
I would happily use Help > send feedback but it doesn't stay up long enough for me to click there. is there a email i can use instead ? On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 3:21 PM Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: > On 30 Sep 2020, at 15:04, Max Andersen wrote: > > so i downloaded new version - it starts up ...but still crashes - just > takes a few more seconds.;/ > > Please also send me the output (after a crash) in a Terminal window if you > launch MailMate like this: > > /Applications/MailMate.app/Contents/MacOS/MailMate > > (Use “Help ▸ Send Feedback”.) > > -- > Benny > https://freron.com/become_a_mailmate_patron/ > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > -- /max http://about.me/maxandersen ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] latest version/update crashes during load..help?
btw. everytime it starts up it says its sending a crash report... On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 5:34 PM Max Andersen wrote: > I would happily use Help > send feedback but it doesn't stay up long > enough for me to click there. > > is there a email i can use instead ? > > On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 3:21 PM Benny Kjær Nielsen > wrote: > >> On 30 Sep 2020, at 15:04, Max Andersen wrote: >> >> so i downloaded new version - it starts up ...but still crashes - just >> takes a few more seconds.;/ >> >> Please also send me the output (after a crash) in a Terminal window if >> you launch MailMate like this: >> >> /Applications/MailMate.app/Contents/MacOS/MailMate >> >> (Use “Help ▸ Send Feedback”.) >> >> -- >> Benny >> https://freron.com/become_a_mailmate_patron/ >> ___ >> mailmate mailing list >> mailmate@lists.freron.com >> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate >> > > > -- > /max > http://about.me/maxandersen > -- /max http://about.me/maxandersen ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] latest version/update crashes during load..help?
output from running in commandline is quite long but here is what looks like the bad ending: Triggered event display_html with 0 bundle commands (input size: 1316, opts: kNone) 00:01:30: T0 1:30.02: ( 0:00.00/ 0:00.04)/( 0:00.00/ 0:00.04) elapsed for 'didChangeCollection (message view)' (3) 00:01:30: T0 1:30.02: ( 0:00.03/ 0:00.10)/( 0:00.69/ 0:00.98) elapsed for 'Committing callbacks (2)' (27756) 00:01:30: T0 1:30.21: ( 0:00.03/ 0:00.03)/( 0:00.72/ 0:01.01) elapsed for 'Committing callbacks (0)' (27758) 00:01:30: T0 1:30.98: ( 0:00.06/ 0:00.06)/( 0:00.27/ 0:07.56) elapsed for 'handle message updates (76580)' (57) 00:01:30: T0 1:30.98: ( 0:00.00/ 0:00.06)/( 0:00.05/ 0:07.61) elapsed for 'handle_data (mailbox: GitHub, type: 1003)' (59) 00:01:32: T0 1:32.12: ( 0:00.02/ 0:00.02)/( 0:00.74/ 0:01.03) elapsed for 'Committing callbacks (0)' (2) 00:01:32: T0 1:32.16: ( 0:00.04/ 0:00.06)/( 0:00.33/ 0:07.64) elapsed for 'handle message updates (64917)' (72) 00:01:32: T0 1:32.16: ( 0:00.00/ 0:00.06)/( 0:00.05/ 0:07.69) elapsed for 'handle_data (mailbox: [Gmail]/Sent Mail, type: 1002)' (74) 00:01:32: T0 1:32.22: ( 0:00.02/ 0:00.03)/( 0:00.35/ 0:07.67) elapsed for 'handle message updates (109)' (73) 00:01:32: T0 1:32.22: ( 0:00.00/ 0:00.03)/( 0:00.05/ 0:07.72) elapsed for 'handle_data (mailbox: [Gmail]/Trash, type: 1002)' (75) Warning: Failed loading message 2504925 from disk. Retrying. 00:01:32: T0 1:32.27: ( 0:00.02/ 0:00.02)/( 0:03.38/ 0:03.38) elapsed for 'Reading/Prefiltering (#reply-type)' (101) 00:01:32: T0 1:32.27: ( 0:00.00/ 0:00.02)/( 0:01.18/ 0:10.18) elapsed for 'Loading oracle (#reply-type)' (122) 00:01:32: T0 1:32.29: ( 0:00.02/ 0:00.02)/( 0:03.40/ 0:03.40) elapsed for 'Reading/Prefiltering (#derive-identity)' (103) 00:01:32: T0 1:32.29: ( 0:00.00/ 0:00.02)/( 0:01.18/ 0:10.20) elapsed for 'Loading oracle (#derive-identity)' (127) 00:01:32: T0 1:32.33: ( 0:00.02/ 0:00.02)/( 0:03.44/ 0:03.44) elapsed for 'Reading/Prefiltering (#posting-style)' (106) 00:01:32: T0 1:32.33: ( 0:00.00/ 0:00.02)/( 0:01.18/ 0:10.24) elapsed for 'Loading oracle (#posting-style)' (131) 00:01:32: T0 1:32.37: ( 0:00.02/ 0:00.02)/( 0:03.48/ 0:03.48) elapsed for 'Reading/Prefiltering (#security-protocol)' (109) 00:01:32: T0 1:32.37: ( 0:00.00/ 0:00.02)/( 0:01.18/ 0:10.28) elapsed for 'Loading oracle (#security-protocol)' (134) Fatal: Asked to save file with no file name (size: 0) [1]35780 abort /Applications/MailMate.app/Contents/MacOS/MailMate On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 5:35 PM Max Andersen wrote: > btw. everytime it starts up it says its sending a crash report... > > On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 5:34 PM Max Andersen > wrote: > >> I would happily use Help > send feedback but it doesn't stay up long >> enough for me to click there. >> >> is there a email i can use instead ? >> >> On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 3:21 PM Benny Kjær Nielsen < >> mailingl...@freron.com> wrote: >> >>> On 30 Sep 2020, at 15:04, Max Andersen wrote: >>> >>> so i downloaded new version - it starts up ...but still crashes - just >>> takes a few more seconds.;/ >>> >>> Please also send me the output (after a crash) in a Terminal window if >>> you launch MailMate like this: >>> >>> /Applications/MailMate.app/Contents/MacOS/MailMate >>> >>> (Use “Help ▸ Send Feedback”.) >>> >>> -- >>> Benny >>> https://freron.com/become_a_mailmate_patron/ >>> ___ >>> mailmate mailing list >>> mailmate@lists.freron.com >>> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate >>> >> >> >> -- >> /max >> http://about.me/maxandersen >> > > > -- > /max > http://about.me/maxandersen > -- /max http://about.me/maxandersen ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Keybindings for non-US keyboards
He meant that to produce the left square bracket on the German keyboard, he needs to press alt-5 (option-5 if you will). So how do you produce a shortcut that itself requests the alt key to be hold. Will the alt key be recognized doubly, once to produce the bracket and then to produce the shortcut? I gather he has to remap these shortcuts to completely other keys. On 30 Sep 2020, at 17:23, Bill Cole wrote: On 30 Sep 2020, at 7:58, Charlie Clark wrote: Increase indentation cmd + [ becomes be alt + cmd + 6 on my keyboard And I've no idea how to get alt + cmd + [ because I'd need alt twice! Typically "Alt" (common on Windows keyboards) is mapped to the Mac "Option" key rather than "Command" (a.k.a. "cloverleaf".) Does your keyboard have a 3rd modifier key of some sort, i.e. Control, Alt, and Something Else? I know that Windows keyboards usually have a Windows key, which is often mapped to Mac's Command. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] can send mail but new mail doesn't download into inbox
I’m using MM 1.13.2 (5673) on Catalina 10.15.7. Everything perfect until a few hours ago when: (a) although I can send mail, new mail doesn’t appear in my inbox; (b) my account (k...@kenpope.com) under “sources” turned red, and all the boxes under it went from black to light gray; & (c) although new mail doesn’t appear in the inbox, it *does* appear under “sources” if I highlight the red source account. Although MM is my main client, I have 4 others (Mail, GyazMail, Airmail, & Postbox) that I use solely to download mail and provide backups—the k...@kenpope.com continues to download and appear in their inboxes. Any idea about what’s gone wrong and how I can fix it? Thanks for your help. Ken ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] nuclear option
can you think of a simple way a user could have inadvertantly wiped all mail in their account's mailboxen aside from the imap entry 0? i keep daily backup of their mail, but the drama can be excessive :) randy ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] can send mail but new mail doesn't download into inbox
What you describe is a case when the account is taken offline in MM. Such a thing happened to me a couple times when one of my providers had problems for a while and MM could not connect. You can also take an account offline as a user, which I also did a few times. If you go to the sources section, you can right-click on the account and the popup will have an option to take the account back online. On 30 Sep 2020, at 20:40, Ken Pope wrote: I’m using MM 1.13.2 (5673) on Catalina 10.15.7. Everything perfect until a few hours ago when: (a) although I can send mail, new mail doesn’t appear in my inbox; (b) my account (k...@kenpope.com) under “sources” turned red, and all the boxes under it went from black to light gray; & (c) although new mail doesn’t appear in the inbox, it *does* appear under “sources” if I highlight the red source account. Although MM is my main client, I have 4 others (Mail, GyazMail, Airmail, & Postbox) that I use solely to download mail and provide backups—the k...@kenpope.com continues to download and appear in their inboxes. Any idea about what’s gone wrong and how I can fix it? Thanks for your help. Ken ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] nuclear option
Sorry to hear... You mean on a server ?With mailmate as client ? On 30 Sep 2020 20:57, Randy Bush wrote:can you think of a simple way a user could have inadvertantly wiped all mail in their account's mailboxen aside from the imap entry 0? i keep daily backup of their mail, but the drama can be excessive :) randy ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] can send mail but new mail doesn't download into inbox
On 30 Sep 2020, at 14:40, Ken Pope wrote: I’m using MM 1.13.2 (5673) on Catalina 10.15.7. Everything perfect until a few hours ago when: (a) although I can send mail, new mail doesn’t appear in my inbox; (b) my account (k...@kenpope.com) under “sources” turned red, and all the boxes under it went from black to light gray; & (c) although new mail doesn’t appear in the inbox, it *does* appear under “sources” if I highlight the red source account. Does the account and its folders all have "(offline)" appended to their names in the Sources list? Have you tried selecting the account and using 'Mailbox->Take "[accountname]" Online'? Although MM is my main client, I have 4 others (Mail, GyazMail, Airmail, & Postbox) that I use solely to download mail and provide backups—the k...@kenpope.com continues to download and appear in their inboxes. Any idea about what’s gone wrong and how I can fix it? One possibility with so many clients accessing the same account is that you're hitting a server-side limit on simultaneous connections, either from the same IP or to the same account. MM usually pops up an alert when that happens, especially with per-account limits (which look like authentication errors) but when the connection is simply ignored at the network level there may be no useful reason to do anything beyond offlining the account and turning it red. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] nuclear option
I doubt this is even remotely related but I will say that for some MM users (i.e. ME), inadvertently wiping out mail can be quite easy. Here’s how it happened… * I receive some mail alert that is clicked on either intentionally or by circumstance. * This will take you directly to the “All Messages” portion of the MM client with the message from the alert brought into focus and selected. * Sometimes, that message will be part of a thread that I need to read more about so I then click on one of the many highlightable fields in the just received message. * This of course creates a new ad hoc filter - then, I often find it necessary to move from the “All Messages” section to the “All / Junk / Deleted” section. * When there, on a couple of occasions, I have highlighted a large range of messages for deletion and inadvertently forgotten that some of these were already in the Deleted\Trash section of my client. Again, I doubt this is what is happening but it is one somewhat related use case that I have encountered… - - - On 30 Sep 2020, at 12:36, a.tak...@augicom.ch wrote: Sorry to hear... You mean on a server ? With mailmate as client ? On 30 Sep 2020 20:57, Randy Bush wrote: can you think of a simple way a user could have inadvertantly wiped all mail in their account's mailboxen aside from the imap entry 0? i keep daily backup of their mail, but the drama can be excessive :) randy ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Keybindings for non-US keyboards
On 30 Sep 2020, at 17:39, Robert Brenstein wrote:
He meant that to produce the left square bracket on the German
keyboard, he needs to press alt-5 (option-5 if you will). So how do
you produce a shortcut that itself requests the alt key to be hold.
Will the alt key be recognized doubly, once to produce the bracket and
then to produce the shortcut? I gather he has to remap these shortcuts
to completely other keys.
Yes, that's it. Sorry for expressing myself poorly. I am, of course,
used to []{} even if I can't see them on the keyboard. But __quis
composit compositor__: how can use one to compose a command if itself
must be composed? But basically I'd like other (standard) combinations
that don't require composed keys. I think indent/dedent maybe standard
because I think my IDE does this: TextMate uses
Regarding names: I'm fed up of Apple changing the names and designs (I
want my Apple key back!!!) for the keys but on this Apple keyboard
(around 2016 notebook style) the option key definitely says "alt". Maybe
it would be just possible to show the combination differently? I think I
"learned" that TextMate used cmd + alt + 5/6 without ever thinking about
[].
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Re: [MlMt] can send mail but new mail doesn't download into inbox
Thanks so much! I've shut off the other mail clients until this problem can be solved. As you suggested, I used the "take account online" function, which turned the source account back from red to black, and all the folders underneath back to black from gray. (Thanks, again!) However, though I can still send, the inbox does not download incoming mail. And as the source account was trying to refresh, the following message popped up: [begin pop-up] IMAP problem for "k...@kenpope.com" account MailMate encountered the following error: "Warning: Non-standard response treated like NO (response: "Disconnected for inactivity.", command: "").". Mailbox: "INBOX/Sent". Retry Take Account Offline Try Later [end pop-up] Any further steps I could take to solve the problem? Ken On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 15:41:57 -0400, Bill Cole wrote: > On 30 Sep 2020, at 14:40, Ken Pope wrote: > >> I’m using MM 1.13.2 (5673) on Catalina 10.15.7. Everything perfect >> until a few hours ago when: (a) although I can send mail, new mail >> doesn’t appear in my inbox; (b) my account (k...@kenpope.com) under >> “sources” turned red, and all the boxes under it went from black >> to light gray; & (c) although new mail doesn’t appear in the inbox, >> it *does* appear under “sources” if I highlight the red source >> account. > > Does the account and its folders all have "(offline)" appended to > their names in the Sources list? > > Have you tried selecting the account and using 'Mailbox->Take > "[accountname]" Online'? > >> Although MM is my main client, I have 4 others (Mail, GyazMail, >> Airmail, & Postbox) that I use solely to download mail and provide >> backups―the k...@kenpope.com continues to download and appear in >> their inboxes. >> >> Any idea about what’s gone wrong and how I can fix it? > > One possibility with so many clients accessing the same account is > that you're hitting a server-side limit on simultaneous connections, > either from the same IP or to the same account. MM usually pops up an > alert when that happens, especially with per-account limits (which > look like authentication errors) but when the connection is simply > ignored at the network level there may be no useful reason to do > anything beyond offlining the account and turning it red. > > -- > Bill Cole > b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org > (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) > Not Currently Available For Hire > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] nuclear option
> [1 ] > Sorry to hear... > > You mean on a server ? > > With mailmate as client ? > > On 30 Sep 2020 20:57, Randy Bush wrote: > > can you think of a simple way a user could have inadvertantly wiped all > mail in their account's mailboxen aside from the imap entry 0? i keep > daily backup of their mail, but the drama can be excessive :) yes blows away all content of their imap mbox files except for the imap keeper message randy ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] can send mail but new mail doesn't download into inbox
Thanks again to Robert and Bill! The problem finally resolved when I changed the ports that had always worked until today (995, 465) to 993 & 587. On 30 Sep 2020, at 16:34, Ken Pope wrote: Thanks so much! I've shut off the other mail clients until this problem can be solved. As you suggested, I used the "take account online" function, which turned the source account back from red to black, and all the folders underneath back to black from gray. (Thanks, again!) However, though I can still send, the inbox does not download incoming mail. And as the source account was trying to refresh, the following message popped up: [begin pop-up] IMAP problem for "k...@kenpope.com" account MailMate encountered the following error: "Warning: Non-standard response treated like NO (response: "Disconnected for inactivity.", command: "").". Mailbox: "INBOX/Sent". Retry Take Account Offline Try Later [end pop-up] Any further steps I could take to solve the problem? Ken ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
