Re: To anyone attending CSUN

[arthur gindin]

Cal State or China energy?

On 2/28/12 11:20 PM, Cara Quinn wrote:

Hello All, I just wanted to send out a quick note to say that if anyone here is 
attending CSUN, I'd love to meet you!

Please do feel free to stop by the Looktel booth and say hello!

I will be attending some of the talks so will not always be there but will be 
there a fair bit. So please do stop by and say hi! K?

You're all a wonderful bunch and I'd love to make your acquaintance in person! 
:)

Have a terrific night / day wherever you are, and I look forward to saying 
hello!

Smiles,

Cara :)



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Re: Doesn't Anyone else use Web Spots in Safari?

[arthur gindin]

Brian, I monitor macvisionaries for my blind almost-12 year old 
grandchild.  Unfortunately she is more interested in anime than 
practicing typing.


I noticed with ML that the scroll wheel on my trackball was going in the 
"wrong" direction.  At my ancient age i assumed i had just forgotten how 
it worked before.  Thanks for letting me know my memory hasn't gone 
completely.


art

On 8/5/12 11:10 PM, Brian Fischler wrote:

Hey guys, just wanted to give you an update as I did report this
misnavigation or reverse navigation to Apple, and they didn't know
about it and will be working on it. I to do not make enough use of my
trackpad just so comfortable with the keyboard for everything.

On Aug 1, 11:30 am, Brian Fischler  wrote:

Hey all,

I posted once about this but got no response, so wanted to try again.
I make use of setting webspots and sweet spots on the pages I go to a
lot, as I find this makes navigating a page much faster. Anyway, all
of my webspots have been reversed in mountain lion. what I mean is to
scroll down from the top to the bottom of the page in previous
versions I would hit VO Command right bracket to go to the next web
spot to the right, and VO command left bracket to go to the next web
spot to the left. Simple. In Mountain it is completely reverse which
is one of the most annoying thing as when I click VO command righ
bracket it takes me to the next web spot to the left and VO command
left bracket to the next web spot to the right. This makes no sense
what so ever, and I am wondering if it is a setting that I have set
incorrectly for navigating a page. I tried turning scrolling from
normal to not clicking normal and this did nothing. This setting was
under the Track pad. I don't even have a mouse connected, so maybe the
setting is in that menu, as I can't even access the mouse menu since
my system doesn't detect a mouse. Has anyone else experienced this? I
am so used to where all of my web spots are set this is so
frustrating. I even tried removing my web spots on a page and
resetting them, but this didn't change the directions. It would make
sense you click right and you go right you click left and you go left,
but not in Mountain Lion. Would appreciate any help. Thanks


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Re: Mail issues.

[arthur gindin]

everyone, especially a business should buy a PERMANENT domain name.  the 
servicer of that name will provide email service.  if you have a problem 
with the servicer, you simply find another email servicer and have the 
mail forwarded to them.  while you are going through the pain of opening 
the new email account,  your messages are still available by going to 
the site of the domain name servicer and accessing them directly.  the 
cost of holding the domain name is about $10 a year and you can also 
register similar names to prevent others from trying to steal your 
customers.


On 2/3/12 12:58 AM, Jessica wrote:
I've just tried for the um-teenth time, to set up my gmail acount on 
my macbook pro, and it's now wanted to tell me, "no mailbox selected," 
whenever I open it.
  I'm only going to guess it's connected, sense the option to take 
acounts on line is dimmed, so I don't understand why it would be 
telling me this, however it refuses to download my mail no matter how 
many times I've removed and re-set up the sount, and this is really 
getting on my last nerve.
  I really don't want to switch providers, because everyone I know 
knows this address, and has for years, and sense I've had several 
providers that I've been dissatisfied with and have no reason to 
change aside from the mac doesn't completely seem to get along with 
it, than I don't see any other reason to leave them.
  If there's some sort of a work-around, or if there could've been 
something I may have missed, could someone please share that?
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a good income? Most likely, the answer is "yes," so if that is the 
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Fwd: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)

[arthur gindin]

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Subject:Re: (Case 200552) Re: Time Machine or what
Date:   Tue, 15 Apr 2014 07:25:47 -0400
From:   Shirt Pocket Support 
To: ryoanji@gmail.com 



No, that's not true. Intel Macs can boot from USB, FireWire or Thunderbolt. 
Power PC Macs can only boot from FireWire under OS X.
--
Dave Nanian
Shirt Pocket


-Original Message-
From: "arthur gindin" 
Reply-To: ryoanji@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 21:32:34 -0400
To: "Shirt Pocket Support" 
Subject: Fwd: Re: Time Machine or what


is this true?

ag

 Original Message 
Subject:  Re: Time Machine or what
Date:  Mon, 14 Apr 2014 08:53:33 -0400
From:  Phil Halton 
Reply-To:  macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
To:  Macvisionaries 

If you go the SuperDuper route, and you want the ability to use your external 
drive as a bootable drive - something I do - the drive will have to have  
Firewire
connectivity. You can't boot from a USB drive as far as I know. I use the LaCie 
drives, they're good product and you can get them in firewire/USB. Also, you 
can get a Firewire800/thunderbolt adaptor to make the connection to your mac.

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Re: deleting email on your i phone?.

[arthur gindin]

gmail has a "trash."  Mozilla (?Mail) has a trash.  "local folders has a 
trash.  Mac has a trash.


ag

On 4/29/14, 6:09 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
The thing I don't like is this.  when you have already checked your 
mail with your Mac, the messages remain on the server apparently for 
at least a week afterward even when you have set the account on your 
iPhone to delete message when they are removed from your in box.  I 
should think, unless I am wrong, that trashing all messages and then 
deleting them from the trash should be enough.



Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the 
blind built-in!


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!

On Apr 29, 2014, at 4:58 PM, Chris Apple boy > wrote:


This can't be done you have to select and delete messages one by one. 
A workaround sort of is to turn on organize by thread in Settings > 
Mail Contacts and Calendar.


Regards Chris
Clap along if you feel like happiness is the truth!

On 29/04/2014 22:39, Chenelle Hancock wrote:

hello all,

I am trying to delete  old mail  from my  gmail account  using my 
braille pen 12.  how do I perform a select all  in order  to delete 
my old messages from my gmail account?.

thank you! so much for your help in this matter.
sincerely, chenele.

Sent from my iPhone

On 29 Apr 2014, at 5:25 pm, macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 wrote:


  Today's topic summary
Group: http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/topics

A question about finereader pro and sending text to an aplication. 
[1 Update]

A scanner for finereader pro on the mac. [1 Update]
Having the Driver connected to the Airport Base, on the Desktop. [4 
Updates]

Where to purchase Amadeous Pro [1 Update]
Sluggish behavior After Updating to Mavericks [5 Updates]
printer sharing [1 Update]
Roboform for Mac [1 Update]
Terminal: is it safe to use? [2 Updates]
Mailbox Sort Order in Mavericks [1 Update]
 A question about finereader pro and sending text to an aplication.
Annie Skov Nielsen > Apr 29 11:22PM +0200


Hi all.

I really love working with the finereader pro for mac. There is one 
thing that annoys me.


I have been using the windows version of finereader for many years, 
a function that I really like is the send to function, but this 
function is not included in the mac version. I wonder if you could 
make a script that will send the document to e.g. textedit but 
without having to export and save. If anyone knows something I 
would be glad to know.


Best regards Annie.


 A scanner for finereader pro on the mac.
Annie Skov Nielsen > Apr 29 11:17PM +0200


Hi Terje.

I bought the canon canoscan 9000f. This is really a scanner that 
works. I have never got a scanner to work as fast as this one.


Thank you for your suggestion.

Best regards Annie.


 Having the Driver connected to the Airport Base, on the Desktop.
Gabriele Battaglia mailto:iz4...@libero.it>> Apr 
29 09:58PM +0200


Hello all.
Is it possible to have these items on my desktop, as they were 
connected directly to the iMac, instead being on the Airport Estreme?

Thanks.
Gabriel.
—
Namasté!
Sent from my iMac27. (Libero)


Jim Gatteys mailto:jgatt...@gmail.com>> Apr 29 
03:09PM -0500


Are you talking about your hard drive? Maybe external or did I 
misunderstand your question?




Gabriele Battaglia > Apr 29 10:25PM +0200



Are you talking about your hard drive? Maybe external or did I 
misunderstand your question?

Hi Jim.
If configured so, you may have all the external driver eventually 
connected to Mavericks, on the desktop, as you usually have just 
the main one.


That’s happens when drivers are connected via some port, like USB, 
or when they are available in the same Local network.


Unfortunately this seem not to be true for those drivers who are 
link via the Airport Extreme.


Gabriel
—
Namasté!
Inviato dal mio iMac27. (Gmail)


Tim Kilburn mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> Apr 29 
03:11PM -0600


Hi,

In the Finder Preferences (cmd-comma while in the Finder), you can 
check the box to have Connected Servers show on your Desktop. When 
this item is checked, there will be an icon representing the 
network drive displayed on your Desktop just like when you have a 
drive connected directly via USB, Firewire or Thunderbolt.


Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada



 Where to purchase Amadeous Pro
Jonathan Mosen mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> Apr 30 
08:47AM +1200


Hi max, yes, the version from his website is less crippled in a few 
areas.
I purchased via the App Store when I first got a Mac, and ran into 
a couple of issues with more complex functions. The developer 
converted my purchase so it would run with the version on his site. 
To be compliant with the App Store's guidelines, an app has to 
conform to Apple's strict sandbox rules. His version do

Re: The new iMovie V10.x

[arthur gindin]

I monitor this site for my blind granddaughter.  i tried the new iMovie 
and could not get anywhere, even with a purchased instruction book.  
this is also the opinion of several (all) reviewers.  I was fortunate 
and found a copy of Imovie 9 on my g'daughter's Air and am back in business.


ag
On 6/20/14, 10:02 AM, Phil Halton wrote:

Is anyone working successfully with the new version of iMovie that came with 
Mavericks? I'm pretty good with the old iMovie (Mountain Lion), but I just 
spent a good hour with the new version and I don't really get it.
Any help in getting to grips with this app?



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Re: External Hard Drive Suggestions

[arthur gindin]

i've been using an HD with 2 drives set up to duplicate each other. if 
one fails you are supposed to remove the bad one and the other will be 
duplicated on the new one.  this procedure failed when my WD drive 
failed and WD no longer had one of that size!  i wound up paying a 
technician to rescue my info onto the new drive (supplied under 
warranty)  WD gives you 30 days after sending the new one to transfer 
your data.  it worked well to save the data, but there was no financial 
savings.


i monitor this group for my blind 13 y/o grandchild who uses a MacAir 
because the portable being issued by the school is not accessible.  the 
keys are too sensitive and do not allow her to check the Braille overlays.


art

On 11/2/13, 7:17 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

Gee, only 2 gigs?

Seems a trifle small to me.

Id’ want something like at least four teribytes.

Oh, it must have a rotating speed of 72000.


Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!

On Nov 2, 2013, at 3:55 PM, Jesus Garcia  wrote:


Try the pass port family, I just purchased one 2 gigs from western digital
if memory serves me right it was around $149.00 It supports USB 3.0, but not
thunderbolt still plenty fast and not a major costly drive. It comes with
software for both windows and Mac though I have never used the software I
run time machine. They have smaller sizes if 2 gig is more then you want.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brian Fischler
Sent: November 02, 2013 16:37
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: External Hard Drive Suggestions

Hey all,

I know we covered this awhile back but amazingly I couldn't find the thread.
I am finally getting around to getting a external hard drive as the last one
I got wouldn't mount properly so I had to return it. I had gotten a seagate
but with all the issues I had with it, I don't think I want to try and get
another seagate. Can anyone suggest one they have had success with for the
mac. I plan to use it as external storage for music and backups along with a
partition for time machine. Thanks,

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Fwd: Re: NIKE+

[arthur gindin]

 Chris:


	I monitor this group for my blind 10 y/o granddaughter, but hoped this 
might be of interest.  my daughter was director of this project for Nike:









Not sure if you are replying to that guy, but you can tell him two things:
If he has downloaded the new OS4 on his phone, the native app won't work. They 
are fixing some bugs with apple. It will work fine w OS3 and he just Has to buy 
the sensor for 19.99.

And I don't work on this anymore, at least not as the global director.



 Original Message 
Subject:NIKE+
Date:   Mon, 9 Aug 2010 10:20:42 +0100
From:   Chris 
Moore<moor...@blueyonder.co.uk>
Reply-To:  
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
To:  
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com



Hi All,

Since going blind recently, I invested in a treadmill to keep the pounds off.  
Obviously if you can't see, the display on the treadmill is not much use.  So I 
activated the Nike+ app built into the iPhone and from what I can tell it seems 
very accessible.

The thing is, I will now have to go out and get the sneakers(trainers) and 
Nike+ sensor for it all to work.  Does anyone have any experience of the Nike+ 
kit etc and is it worth it?  Should I just look at something like iTreadmill, 
how do they compare?

Chris

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Re: MacSpeech\Dragon Dictate

[arthur gindin]

 we're all waiting for a brave person to let us know if it works

art

On 9/26/10 5:33 PM, Colin M wrote:

Hi All!
I've got Mac speech but as yet not got it up and running!
I've been sent an opportunity to upgrade to the new Dragon dictate for Mac!
I'm writing to the list to see if any of you use either software and ask if it 
is as good as they claim!
I have not heard any one on the list talk about it so I was wondering if anyone 
actually use it!
Any advice welcome!
Yours sincerely
Colin
Skype focus_66



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Re: Is anyone else having problems with Gmail?

[arthur gindin]

i monitor the group for my blind grandchild.

periodically gmail just won't work.  the last time it wouldn't let me 
send emails for a few days.  the genius group at the local apple store 
tells me this is "normal" behavior for gmail.


it appears they are spreading the "wealth."

art

On 7/29/13 8:01 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:
This message serves partially as a test of my iPhone and Gmail, having 
gone through the rigmarole of changing passwords. It also is a chance 
for me to ask whether anyone else's observing problems with Gmail?


Be well.

Sent from my iPhone
Messengers and Skype: BurningHawk1969
My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/markburninghawk.baxter

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Re: Super duper Help

[arthur gindin]

write the author.  he has always been most helpful to me.

On 8/26/13 6:51 AM, Jesus Garcia wrote:
Morning list members, I know there are a few podcasts out there 
regarding super duper. I am interested in the program and downloaded 
the image file from shirt pocket. However when I click on the file all 
I get is the initial agreement screen then a list view table with a 
quick start rtf file and the users guide in pdf. Clicking on the 
application icon seems to do nothing. Any help would be appreciated.




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Re: FS:upgraded eight core mac pro desktop with flat panel display and pt9 etc.

[arthur gindin]

please send an asking price.  thank you

ag

On 10/6/13 2:59 PM, Cameron Strife wrote:

Hi all. Selling my eight core Mac pro desktop machine with flat panel
monitor and accessories. Please write me off list to make an offer.
This is a really powerful box for audio production! I have it setup as
a dual boot system right now with pro tools under OSX and Sonar 64 bit
under Windows Seven Ultimate 64 bit and she is a beast!

Specs below... I'm including a Sony flat panel display with built in
stereo speakers and other features, Apple mouse, keyboard, OSX, and
all cables etc. I'll do a fresh install of OSX before shipping. ML or
SL;your choice! I'll also throw in iLife11 if you want it. If anybody
is interested, I'm also selling a firewire audio/midi interface and my
license for pt9. Shoot me an e mail for a complete list of the stuff
I've got for sale. I'm not getting out of the game, but, I need to
slim things down for now due to various reasons...

Mac pro specs:

all metal case
eight core Intel Xeon processor, 2.80gHz per core
8gb ram, expandable to 16gb
new Logitech dual layer dvd/cd burner
brand new Seagate 500gb hard drive in bay 1 which I'm using as the system drive
Seagate 1tb data drive in bay 2
Seagate 1tb data drive in bay 3
All drives are 7200rpm, after market, and are under warranty
bay four is empty for the time being as is one front loading bay.
six USB ports
Two firewire 400 ports with Texas Instruments chipset
two ethernet ports
Apple airport wireless
bluetooth
speaker/headphone jack

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Re: super duper

[arthur gindin]

shirt pocket

On 11/17/12 3:11 PM, Wayne Coles wrote:



hello all can some kind person please send me the download link for super duper 
so thanks in advance  D
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Re: mountain lion impressions

[arthur gindin]

when i tried to download M Lion to our iMac, it informed me that it was 
not able to run the program


Art Gindin
i monitor this web for my blind granddaughter

On 11/23/12 12:54 PM, Brian Fischler wrote:

Does anyone have a guide to doing a clean install of Mountain Lion? I
have nothing but busy busy problems in everything I run on my 2010
iMac in safari, mail, new rack, everything is constantly busy busy
Maybe a clean install will fix it, otherwise I find the mac has become
unusable at these times when all my applications go into this busy
busy phase. Thanks

On Nov 19, 10:13 am, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

Hey everyone, been meaning to update to mountain lion for a while, and
finally had some time to do it this weekend. Over all I'm very
impressed. I think the best thing is that the safari busy messages are
totally gone and you no longer have to turn voiceover off and back on
again to get around this. Personally I think that Apple should provide
this fix for earlier operating systems as well since that's a bug, not
a feature. Also it does seem to be a bit faster than lion, well worth
the update I think.


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Re: firefox

[arthur gindin]

please ignore my previous email.  wrong group.  sorry

eeb

Wendy Mitchell wrote:
> ok, well, guess what, I've got my mail set up on here now so this is  
> my first ever message written on my mac.  Next job how do I change  
> this so that it doesn't read everycharacter I write.  I have it set to  
> none on my windows computer.  Just about to send my my first mail  
> message now.
> On 26 Mar 2009, at 16:07, Dan Eickmeier wrote:
>
>   
>> No, firefox is unfortunately not accessible at is current time .
>> Hopefully, developers are working to make it accessible.  A friend of
>> mine that attended the CSUN conference this year, and who is on this
>> list as well, I believe spoke with somebody involved with the
>> development of firefox,and  they said that they are definitely looking
>> at its accessibility on the mac side.
>> On Mar 26, 2009, at 10:31 AM, Wendy wrote:
>>
>>
>> hi, just a quickie, I've been using firefox on my windows computer,  
>> will
>> this work on the mac please?
>> Thanks.
>>
>> From Wendy.
>> Member of
>> www.tafn.org.uk
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Firefox

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Wendy

I've been using firefox on OS10.4 for years.  join us.  all reviewers 
rate it better than safari

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Re: Firefox

[arthur gindin]

my apologies for this misprint.  please just ignore it.  thanks

Dan Eickmeier wrote:
> Arthur, how have you been using Firefox under Tiger successfully?  As  
> far as I know, even with that  firevox add-on that you can install,  
> that's not the greatest accessibility compared to Safari.
> On Mar 26, 2009, at 8:26 PM, arthur gindin wrote:
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>
> Wendy
>
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Re: Firefox

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sorry.  this was a misprint

ag

Maurice Mines wrote:
> how are you duing this with vo?
> On Mar 26, 2009, at 6:26 PM, arthur gindin wrote:
>
>   
>> Wendy
>>
>> I've been using firefox on OS10.4 for years.  join us.  all reviewers
>> rate it better than safari
>>
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Re: Sending Mail With Charter.net

[arthur gindin]

i would have charter forward my mail to google.  i had this problem 
with  easyspace.

ag

Steve Vandecar wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am trying to setup my charter email account.  The  outgoing mail  
> server is smtp.charter.net according to charter support.  I can't make  
> this work and havew to use google as the outgoing server to send  
> mail.  Any help on this would be appreciated. Thanks
> Steve
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Re: OT braille embosser for sale

[arthur gindin]

thank you for the offer, but the Blazie seems to work; at least it self 
tests.

my problem as i see it, and Steve agrees, is getting the material 
translated.  when i try to enter a text paragraph into Louis it 
disappears.  shouldn't it appear as a visible program before being 
translated.?  at least there should be some acknowledgment that 
translation is proceeding.

thanks

ag

Greg Kearney wrote:
> Please excuse the cross posting.
>
>
> I have a old Romeo braille embosser for sale. It seems to work but I  
> would suggest that it go in for an overhaul. $500 or best offer. I  
> will ship it Free Matter or you can pay shipping if you like. It will  
> run on a Mac with a USB to serial cable.
>
> Greg Kearney
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Re: very nice experience at University Village Apple Store in Seattle Washington

[arthur gindin]

spamming hardly befits a "distinguished" person

Sean Tikkun wrote:
>   Can folks on this board help me out here?  I don't see the point of  
> an accessible iPhone.  The fluid dynamic of screen touch technology  
> combined with GUI interface seems like it is just a counter accessible  
> design form the get go.  Once you make the thing accessible it is no  
> longer an iPhone.  I may not be far enough outside the box, but even  
> if the iPhone were made accessible then all of the apps would still  
> not be.  It is the same issue with Firefox.  If Firefox wanted to be  
> accessible, they would be!  From my understanding the mark-up is  
> there.  The code for using it is free to the programmers and  
> developers...  They just don't care to do it.
>   Shouldn't we be e-mail spamming Firefox to get with the program?
>
>
> Sean Richards Tikkun
> Apple Distinghuished Educator
> class of 2007
> jaq...@mac.com
>
>
> >
>   
>
> 
>
> 
>
>
>
> On May 28, 2009, at 5:20 AM, Vicki Manley wrote:
>
>   
>> Hi,
>> That would be so ace if they brought out an accessible i phone
>> What a really great suggestion!!!
>> Best wishes,
>> Vicki.
>> On 28 May 2009, at 06:37, Ben King wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> Dear Mac Friends,
>>>
>>> I am writing you to let you know about an experience I had today at
>>> the University Village Apple Store in Seattle Washington.  The person
>>> that I spoke to was very nice and he asked me what I would like to  
>>> see
>>> improved in regards to Voiceover.  I told him that Fire Fox would be
>>> nice with Voiceover support as well as maybe an accessible I Phone.
>>> Anyway, it was extremely nice for me to go into an Apple Store and
>>> play with main stream technology.  I love Voiceover as well as the
>>> Mac.  I hope you all have a nice evening.
>>> Blessings,
>>> Ben King
>>>
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Braille Blazer

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i am the sighted "IT" person for my 8 y/o blind granddaughter.  in 
addition to her blindness she has good use of only the thumb+3 on the 
left hand and the index finger on the right.  we have an iMac with XP 
added (i prefer VO) and a Brailled PC keyboard.  i am trying to get a 
Braille Blazer embosser to work with the iMac.  the Blazer will self 
test.  when i try to get a text message into Louis, it just goes blank.  
i have talked with NFB and they indicate i should see the translation 
into Braille on the screen before i can expect the Blazer to respond.  
any suggestions would be appreciated.

thank you very much.

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Re: Braille Blazer

[arthur gindin]

thank you.

yes, Steve at NFB is only familiar with Duxbury.

i have no driver for the Blazer.  it does appear on the printer list as 
default printer.  i select a text file and "save as" Document.  i then 
went to "processing" and chose "Louis.cfg".for "send Braille" i used 
/dev/null (the others were /test.out, modem,PDA)  the pinwheel just spins.

thanks again

art


Alex Jurgensen` wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm thinking that NFB is thinking of Duxbury, where it shows up on
> screen in Braille first. What proceedure are you using to print the
> document? What connection is physically attaching the BB to the
> computer. If you are using an USB to serial adapter, is its driver
> installed. Is it showing up or selected in Louis?
>
> Regards,
> Alex,
>
>
>
> On 5/28/09, arthur gindin  wrote:
>   
>> i am the sighted "IT" person for my 8 y/o blind granddaughter.  in
>> addition to her blindness she has good use of only the thumb+3 on the
>> left hand and the index finger on the right.  we have an iMac with XP
>> added (i prefer VO) and a Brailled PC keyboard.  i am trying to get a
>> Braille Blazer embosser to work with the iMac.  the Blazer will self
>> test.  when i try to get a text message into Louis, it just goes blank.
>> i have talked with NFB and they indicate i should see the translation
>> into Braille on the screen before i can expect the Blazer to respond.
>> any suggestions would be appreciated.
>>
>> thank you very much.
>>
>> art
>> 
>>>   
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Re: Rare Apple Synth

[arthur gindin]

Greg Kearney is helping me hook up a Braille blazer.  check his recent 
previous emails.  it start with a USB to null modem to parallel plug.  
cablestogo.com has null modems among other cables and voice and email 
support

art

Tiffany D wrote:
> This is truly fascinating and thanks for sharing.  As it is, I'm
> trying to learn Quickbasic and am looking for 4.5 so I can load it
> onto my Keynote Gold running Dos 6.22. I was born in 1983 and went
> blind at two-months-old.  In elementary school, I remember they had an
> Apple IIE (probaly e+), an Apple IIc and an Apple IIGS.  My classmates
> used to play Number Munchers and Origon Trail.  My first computer That
> we got was an Apple IIC in the early 90's.  We picked it up at a
> garrage sail and I could remember my mother was so excited cause it
> was so small.  She kept clicking the keys in the car (she doesn't
> drive so it was safe).  Oddly enough, she never used it and hasn't
> touched a computer much until last year or so.  I never got to use the
> IIC that much but kept it.  Soon afterword, we got a Tandy 1000, which
> I loved but couldn't use cause I was told there was nothing accessible
> for it.  Finally, we entered Windows in 1996 with my IBM Abtiva.  I
> didn't use it for a few years and still wanted to use dos and the
> Tandy.  I eventually gave that amazing machine away to someone who
> didn't appreciate it and who sold it.  Needless to say, I was furious.
>  But it was that or the Apple IIC and I chose to keep the IIC.  It was
> only afterword that I found out I could use Vocal-eyes and play all
> the games I loved...  My IIGS, as I said, was given to me by my high
> school cause they knew I adored vintage tech.  Now if only I could
> find a Keynote Companion.
>
> That printer story made me laugh.  I have a dot matrics printer from
> Apple that reminds me a little of my Epson for dos.  I'm sure it has
> all the capabilities one would expect from a regular printer, printing
> both cases etc.  I never knew that there was one that didn't do this.
> I was actually looking for a Doubletalk to replace my Echos for both
> my pc (LT there) and Apple and found them here
> http://www.rcsys.com/order.htm
> but the prices are too high for me right now.  I'd love to hear one so
> I could decide if it's worth the purchase.  The mouse, in my opinion,
> was a disaster and the beginning of the end of all good things
> incomputers.
>
> Some quick offtopic things and please feel free to email me offlist so
> there's no trouble.  I've asked everyone and you guys are the only
> ones who answer me.  Has anyone here ever used Freedos?  If so, is it
> accessible and with which screenreader?  Can I use my Braillenote as a
> synthesizer with JAWS for Dos if I tell it that it's a Keynote gold
> standalone, an accent or a generic serial one?  If I can't find the
> Echo or the cord to my Keynote Voicecard (if anyone has one I'll pay
> you for it), can I use my Braille Blazer through it's parallel port?
> Where can I find ASAP and how difficult is it to use?
>
> On 06/06/2009, Josh de Lioncourt  wrote:
>   
>> I'd be happy to reminisce about the old Apple 2 and early outSpoken
>> days. :) My II GS is in storage, so can't do any demos for a few
>> months, but would be happy to talk about it. I loved those machines. I
>> used the Apple 2E, 2C, 2C+, and 2GS.
>>
>> Josh de Lioncourt
>>  …my other mail provider is an owl…
>>
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt
>> Music: http://stage19music.com
>> Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com
>> Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com
>> GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt
>>
>> On Jun 6, 2009, at 9:43 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> Hey this reminds me. WOuld anyone out there who has experiences and
>>> possibly some stuff they could demo from the Apple II days or even
>>> the days of using OutSpoken on different Mac machines? If so, would
>>> you consider being interviewed for a podcast? I'd like to facilitate
>>> such an arrangement with the RetroMac Podcast since they cover all
>>> things Mac that are from back in the day if you will. If you would
>>> be interested and can provide some info about your experiences etc.
>>> I'll gather all this together and approach the gents that put that
>>> podcast on with the idea and the background in hopes they'll
>>> consider doing it. I figured I could just toss the idea at them, but
>>> if I give them as much as possible, they may be more likely to do it
>>> since the leg-work would be greatly reduced and I wouldn't expect
>>> them to have a vast network or such to find all the info on
>>> accessibility.
>>>
>>> tnx,
>>> On Jun 6, 2009, at 11:43 AM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote:
>>>
>>>   
 Wow…

 With as into Apple 2's as I was in the 80's and 90's, I can't
 believe I've never heard of this. If you get it working, please
 record some samples for us.

 I have an old II GS that still works. It's fun to dust off and use
 now and the

Re: Rare Apple Synth

[arthur gindin]

for Krister.

we bought that Versapoint from someone on Ebay and it still doesn't work.

art

patrickneazer wrote:
> Hello Krister and all:
>
> A slightly bigger, less attractive, and possibly louder braille 
> printer is (was) the Emboss 1. It was a vertical load and print 
> machine. The thing came with a silencer cabinet (smile). Dragging the 
> cabinet back and forth to school was a story in itself. The Apple II E 
> got plenty of use though that printer was scary to use (smile).
> On Jun 7, 2009, at 5:01 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi folks,
>> I don't know if i have told you my computer history fully and if i  
>> had, feel free to skip this mail.
>> I think i am one of the few blind people who actually started my  
>> computer experience in a graphical environment and loved it from the  
>> start.
>> The very first computer like thing i had was an Eureka A4, ya know  
>> those note takers with thermometer, clock, calendar and many more  
>> things on them. It had its own variation of Cp/m so it was a command  
>> line interface. Then by accident or coinsidence or how one should say  
>> it, i and my work mates  stumbled upon Outspoken through an ad in a  
>> paper. We decided to try it out since a work mate on my job back then  
>> had a Mac Se30 with System 7 on it. It so happened that one of  
>> rehabilitation people i knew had a copy of Outspoken in a drawer that  
>> he had discarded as useless some time ago. I asked if i could borrow  
>> it and test it and got reluctant permission. Boy, was i glad when i  
>> discovered that not only could i access the Mac, but i could use it  
>> just as well as my sighted collegues, with the exception of graphics  
>> editing. I got a mac myself, that is first we rented a Mac Classic  
>> with 80 Meg hard drive and i thought that "I'm never gonna fill this  
>> gigantic hard drive". The experimentations went so well that i got my  
>> own Mac a Mac II Vx with 200 meg hard drive. This must have been  
>> around 1993 or something. I also had a Powerbook back then. This setup  
>> went with me until 1996 or thereabouts when i was more or less forced  
>> to switch to PC. Of course i was curious as to what one could do with  
>> a PC and Dos so that was one of the reasons i switched. As i had used  
>> Outspoken and loved it on the Mac, i decided to try Outspoken for  
>> Windows when it came out. It was quite good, but not as good as the  
>> Mac version.
>> Time went by and i tried various Windows incarnations, 95, 98 and XP,  
>> and now i'm back on the mac again and love it.
>> One thing that i must mention before i finish this longish mail is  
>> that the only braille embosser compatible with the mac at that time in  
>> Sweden, at least that's what they said, was a big loud thing called  
>> the Versapoint, anione remember that one? I never got that one to work.
>> Well thanks for reading this longish letter of nostalgia.
>> /Krister
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Take good care and I wish you enough.
>
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Re: sending attachment from a PC to a Mac

[arthur gindin]

to go from pc to mac we use a USB flash drive.

Amanda

Donna Goodin wrote:
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>
> this may be more of a Windows question than a Mac question, so my  
> apologies in advance.
>
> I am still moving back and forth between my PC and my Mac, and because  
> I have certain tasks that I need to do on my Windows machine, I will  
> probably need to do so for a while.  On several occasions, I have  
> tried to send files to myself from my Pc to my Mac.  Every time I have  
> tried, the file I sent does not show up. and the only attachment is a  
> Winmail.dat file.  It doesn't seem to matter what type of file I'm  
> trying to send.  I have tried sending Word files, RTF files, and most  
> recently a couple of PDF files. I have checked on my PC to try and  
> find the security setting that would cause this, but have not found  
> it.  Does anyone on this list know what could be causing this, and how  
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Re: Upgrading my Mini

[Arthur Gindin]

Google saves pics for free.
Use SuperDuper and a 2 or 3 TB backup
Check to see how much can be erased.

A gindin




> On Sep 8, 2017, at 3:58 PM, Larry Thacker Jr.  
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> Fusion drive I bought it with is filling up faster than I expected.  I could 
> go into iTunes and get rid of some videos and that would probably help a lot, 
> but I may have need to install Windows and thus more disk space, so here’s 
> the question.  I know it won’t be the cheap route.  I could probably buy a 
> serviceable Windows machine for what I’ll spend, but I don’t want to clutter 
> my workspace any more than it already is.  If I unplug my Mini and cart it to 
> an Apple store, will they upgrade the drive for me?  What am I looking at 
> spending for a 2TB SSD that they install?  In my younger days I’d happily 
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Re: File Vault Nightmare

[Arthur Gindin]

Should be “accept” not “except”

A visual monitor

> On Oct 1, 2017, at 10:00 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi, John,
> 
> You may be right.  I was taken aback when FileVault didn't except my login 
> credentials, and it kind of weirded me out when I got no feedback when 
> entering my username.  That made me wonder if my username had been entered at 
> all, so I may well have paused to try and figure out what was going on.
> 
> Perhaps I'll give it another go, but I'll turn the screen brightness up 
> first, so that if I do get locked out again, my husband can at least see the 
> screen. lol
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Oct 1, 2017, at 7:47 AM, Jonathan Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Donna,
>> 
>> How frustrating. I have heard there are other options on the screen during 
>> the file vault login process but you were the first to give some of the 
>> details. I wonder if it is possible at that prompt to use your AppleID 
>> credentials or what exactly happens when you use the recover password 
>> fields. It would be curious to try my AppleID credentials in any case to see 
>> if my local Keychain gets unlocked.
>> 
>> One other thing I have noticed that might have added to your frustration, it 
>> seems that the computer turns itself off when in file vault password prompt 
>> if you do nothing for a period of time. Since it only takes a second for the 
>> File Vault to prompt this makes some sense but might have been why your 
>> system seemed to be completely quiet.
>> 
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 29, 2017, at 6:26 PM, Donna Goodin >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Did.  Didn't work.
>>> Donna
 On Sep 29, 2017, at 4:04 PM, Simon Fogarty >>> > wrote:
 
 Try ctrl power button as that is the key press to bring up shutdown.
  
  
  
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 ] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
 Sent: Friday, 29 September 2017 12:13 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 
 Subject: Re: File Vault Nightmare
  
 Hi John,
  
 Re shutting down, I've never had to use the menu item, so had forgotten 
 about it being there.  No, I do not get a shut down message when holding 
 down the power button, and the CMD-Ctrl-Option-Fn-Power does not seem to 
 accomplish anything here.
  
 Re FileVault, when you type your username, can you tell what you are 
 typing?  In the password field, I could hear the little clicks that 
 indicate that characters are being entered.  But I heard nothing in the 
 username field.  And it was strange. I would type in my username, then tab 
 to go to password, but would be prompted again for username.  I would type 
 my username a second time, and then I could go to the password field.  I'd 
 like to use FileVault, but am now leery of ending up locked out of my Mac.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 On Sep 27, 2017, at 8:51 PM, John Panarese >>> > wrote:
  
   Even with FileVault, you can turn on VoiceOver and get speech feedback 
 for the prompts. You should first enter your account and hit enter. Then, 
 type your password and hit enter.
  
 As for turning off the MBP, provided you have a touch bar, you can 
 hold the power button for a second and you should get the authentication 
 window to shutdown. Also, it's on the Apple menu as well. I believe if you 
 press the FN key with the control-option-command and power button, that 
 should turn it off too. I'll have to check that on my MBP.
  
 
 Take Care
 
 John D. Panarese
 Director
 Mac for the Blind
 Tel, (631) 724-4479
 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
 Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
 
 APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
 
 AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
 
 MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
 
 
 
 
 On Sep 27, 2017, at 9:42 PM, Donna Goodin >>> > wrote:
  
 Hi, all,
 
 So, unbeknownst to me, it seems that FileVault is activated by default on 
 the new MBPs.
 
 This morning I shut my computer off by force quit, because I couldn't get 
 it to shut down normally.  When I got home from work, I tried to restart 
 it.  Apparently FileVault was activated.
 
 I always keep the screen dimmed to save battery power. So, I entered my 
 username, and got absolutely no feedback as to whether it had been 
 entered, much less whether it was entered correctly.  Then I entered my 
 password.  I got the error that my login was incorre

Re: changing speech rate of system voice?

[Arthur Gindin]

Angus:  I monitor this webspace for my blind granddaughter, Mandy Hall (see 
YouTube).  She limps because the left leg doesn’t work well.  She plays the 
full drum kit, bass guitar, piano and sings,  even though she has only the use 
of the index finger on the right and the thumb plus three on the left.  She 
also has perfect pitch (1/1000).

A gindin

> On Oct 1, 2017, at 9:27 PM, Angus MacKinnon  wrote:
> 
> E.T.
> 
> I have tried to flick up or down and nothing happens. I have poor tactile and 
> motor control.
> 
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Re: External hard drive formating problem

[Arthur Gindin]

…or use SuperDuper.

A  gindin (I monitor this website for my blind granddaughter)

> On Oct 6, 2017, at 3:43 AM, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:
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> Hi,
> Sorry for cross posting but i need help with this strange problem.
> I bought a 6 Tb hard drive and got it yesterday.
> Upon connecting it to my iMac i noticed that the disk was formatted in NTFS, 
> which is a no go if you want the mac to be able to write to it so i thought i 
> would reformat it to a file system readable by the Mac.
> I went into disk utility where i clicked on ”erase” which is the Macs name 
> for format. When all was said and done with deciding what format to have and 
> so on i clicked ”erase” and got this message: ”Action failed. Media kit 
> reports there is not enough space to perform this action. Action failed.” 
> This is a very rough translation from Swedish.
> The disk has 6 unused terrabytes on it and Media kit claims there’s not 
> enough space? WTF? 
> So now i’m stuck with a hard disk that can’t be read because if you try 
> connecting the drive i get this: ”The computer is unable to read the drive, 
> please format” and a button that points to the disk utility which can’t 
> format because there’s ”not enough space to perform this action”.
> What to do next?
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Re: Getting to the top of the messages table in the mail

[Arthur Gindin]

I use a mouse with a dial in the middle to get to the top of the mail list.  
Would this help?

I monitor this webspace for my blind g’daughter.

A gindin


> On Oct 29, 2017, at 1:44 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Well, I'm sure they are correct that more people will use the navigation as 
> opposed to the language thing. But I use the language thing a lot between 
> English and Russian, and now they've messed it up even to the point where the 
> voices you use don't sit next to each other like they used to, even once you 
> have mastered the multi finger smashed language setting. Smile.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Oct 29, 2017, at 10:40 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>  That was actually a nice change unless one is constantly changing voice 
>> settings. The navigation rotor is quite useful. I know many people freaked 
>> out over the change to the VO command used to invoke the speech rotor.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On 10/29/2017 10:35 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
>>> I'm not sure what all commands have changed, except I'm sure about the 
>>> language one, which is really kind of a nuisance. If you don't need 
>>> multiple languages I guess it won't bother you. I'm not sure why they 
>>> changed it. Obviously something took over what used to be the rotor thing 
>>> to be able to switch easily among languages on the fly.
>>> Mary
>>> Sent from my iPhone
 On Oct 29, 2017, at 6:02 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Glad it worked, Mary. Also glad it hasn't changed - it sounds like some 
 commands have changed in High Sierra.  Guess I'll have to upgrade one of 
 these days.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Oct 28, 2017, at 5:48 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Donna. That worked. It has not changed in High Sierra. It is just 
> that I had given up on the mail app in Sierra and done most everything on 
> my phone, because mail just gave me the busy busy thing pretty much all 
> of the time.
> 
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Re: app store access

[Arthur Gindin]

We had no problem using our USA credit cards in Europe, but some banks charge 
for the conversion.

(I monitor this website for my blind g’daughter.)

 
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> On Dec 8, 2017, at 3:22 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> Hi List,
>  
> Not sure if I should really ask this but it is apple product related,
>  
> Does anyone have information on how to setup an account in the itunes / app 
> store for apple for a country other than the one they live in?
>  
> I’m interested in setting up an account for the USA iTunes store and also 
> Austrailia and would like to know how to do this without requiring a credit 
> card for that country.
>  
> Cheers,
>  
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Re: Let's Use Social Media to Advocate for The Visually Impaired

[Arthur Gindin]

I agree.

We raise a blind child who also has the gifts of a talented musician.  
Unfortunately, the cause of her blindness has also caused other problems e.g. 
gait, use of only 5 fingers etc.  We encourage her to make use of her talents.  
Unfortunately the abuse she gets from the ISD and the overwhelming high school 
homework leaves her little time to compose inter alia.

Ag

> On Mar 23, 2017, at 3:41 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> mark,
> I wish to interject something I feel you and those of you who resonate with 
> this  effort  should  consider.
> 
> Speaking only for myself I feel one reason why it can be challenging to 
> instigate impact is  the way you discuss the experience of sight loss as if  
> it is totally and absolutely the opposite of sight, speak of the what 400 
> million people on the planet estimated to be living with sight loss as if 
> they are the same  / interchangeable with  each other, and make no effort to 
> establish frames of reference for the people you want to reach.
> Frankly I feel it is just as important for visible diverse and  positive 
> images of individuals living with sight loss to appear in popular culture as 
> it is to create employment.
> Because if people simply work with the dictionary that says blind / sighted, 
> they are going to be what they are...very confused.
> To suggest that individual uniqueness never exists, or goes out of the window 
>  when scores on an eye chart differ is counterproductive.
> Speaking only for myself, I feel this is part of why there are so few tools 
> in the first place. why does one need several ways to do a task, if "the 
> blind," are spoken of so uniformly as if there are a composite whole?
> Seek a place in society yes, but demonstrate that you have earned that place. 
> By your talent, your uniqueness, and what you share with the rest of 
> humanity.  You matter because you exist, equally able to fortify the fabric 
> of society, individually with what makes you special, collectively with what 
> gives you the chance to view the world differently.
> Off my soapbox now, smiles.
> kare
> 
> 
> On Thu, 23 Mar 2017, M. Taylor wrote:
> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> Earlier this week, both Apple and Starbucks announced that they were, in
>> effect, reaffirming their commitments to several agendas.
>> 
>> In apple's case, they introduced iPhone 7 and 7 Plus RED Special Edition,
>> which is intended to give customers a way to participate in the fight
>> against aids.
>> 
>> In Starbucks case, they affirmed their commitment to hiring thousands and
>> thousands of veterans and immigrants.
>> 
>> Upon reading each of these announcements, via various social media outlets,
>> I requested that these two companies make a commitment to the blind and low
>> vision.
>> 
>> To Apple, I asked that they play a more active role in research that will
>> bring, eyesight, (in quote marks) to the blind and low vision.
>> 
>> To Starbucks, I asked that they commit to a policy of hiring blind and low
>> vision employees, where reasonably possible.
>> 
>> I am posting this to the list in order to ask those of you with social media
>> accounts to make similar requests of these and any other companies that
>> boast of their commitments to investing in any particular demographic.
>> 
>> We must begin to directly advocate for ourselves, as visually impaired
>> people, if major change is ever going to occur and we must do it on the
>> global stage so that our sighted counterparts will know that we are here and
>> that we matter.
>> 
>> The Gospel According to Mark, Chapter 2017.2.1.1.A. (smile)
>> 
>> Mark
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Re: best stock watching app?

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Don’t waste your time

Ag 

> On Jun 20, 2011, at 4:52 AM, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
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> Hi list,
> 
> As the subject says, can anyone suggest a good stock watching app on the mac 
> store?
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> Best regards,
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