I use a mouse with a dial in the middle to get to the top of the mail list.  
Would this help?

I monitor this webspace for my blind g’daughter.

A gindin


> On Oct 29, 2017, at 1:44 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Well, I'm sure they are correct that more people will use the navigation as 
> opposed to the language thing. But I use the language thing a lot between 
> English and Russian, and now they've messed it up even to the point where the 
> voices you use don't sit next to each other like they used to, even once you 
> have mastered the multi finger smashed language setting. Smile.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Oct 29, 2017, at 10:40 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>>  That was actually a nice change unless one is constantly changing voice 
>> settings. The navigation rotor is quite useful. I know many people freaked 
>> out over the change to the VO command used to invoke the speech rotor.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On 10/29/2017 10:35 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
>>> I'm not sure what all commands have changed, except I'm sure about the 
>>> language one, which is really kind of a nuisance. If you don't need 
>>> multiple languages I guess it won't bother you. I'm not sure why they 
>>> changed it. Obviously something took over what used to be the rotor thing 
>>> to be able to switch easily among languages on the fly.
>>> Mary
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> On Oct 29, 2017, at 6:02 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Glad it worked, Mary. Also glad it hasn't changed - it sounds like some 
>>>> commands have changed in High Sierra.  Guess I'll have to upgrade one of 
>>>> these days.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>>> On Oct 28, 2017, at 5:48 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks, Donna. That worked. It has not changed in High Sierra. It is just 
>>>>> that I had given up on the mail app in Sierra and done most everything on 
>>>>> my phone, because mail just gave me the busy busy thing pretty much all 
>>>>> of the time.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mary
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