Should be “accept” not “except” A visual monitor
> On Oct 1, 2017, at 10:00 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote: > > Hi, John, > > You may be right. I was taken aback when FileVault didn't except my login > credentials, and it kind of weirded me out when I got no feedback when > entering my username. That made me wonder if my username had been entered at > all, so I may well have paused to try and figure out what was going on. > > Perhaps I'll give it another go, but I'll turn the screen brightness up > first, so that if I do get locked out again, my husband can at least see the > screen. lol > Cheers, > Donna > >> On Oct 1, 2017, at 7:47 AM, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com >> <mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Donna, >> >> How frustrating. I have heard there are other options on the screen during >> the file vault login process but you were the first to give some of the >> details. I wonder if it is possible at that prompt to use your AppleID >> credentials or what exactly happens when you use the recover password >> fields. It would be curious to try my AppleID credentials in any case to see >> if my local Keychain gets unlocked. >> >> One other thing I have noticed that might have added to your frustration, it >> seems that the computer turns itself off when in file vault password prompt >> if you do nothing for a period of time. Since it only takes a second for the >> File Vault to prompt this makes some sense but might have been why your >> system seemed to be completely quiet. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Jonathan Cohn >> >> >> >>> On Sep 29, 2017, at 6:26 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com >>> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Did. Didn't work. >>> Donna >>>> On Sep 29, 2017, at 4:04 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com >>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Try ctrl power button as that is the key press to bring up shutdown. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin >>>> Sent: Friday, 29 September 2017 12:13 AM >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>> Subject: Re: File Vault Nightmare >>>> >>>> Hi John, >>>> >>>> Re shutting down, I've never had to use the menu item, so had forgotten >>>> about it being there. No, I do not get a shut down message when holding >>>> down the power button, and the CMD-Ctrl-Option-Fn-Power does not seem to >>>> accomplish anything here. >>>> >>>> Re FileVault, when you type your username, can you tell what you are >>>> typing? In the password field, I could hear the little clicks that >>>> indicate that characters are being entered. But I heard nothing in the >>>> username field. And it was strange. I would type in my username, then tab >>>> to go to password, but would be prompted again for username. I would type >>>> my username a second time, and then I could go to the password field. I'd >>>> like to use FileVault, but am now leery of ending up locked out of my Mac. >>>> Cheers, >>>> Donna >>>> On Sep 27, 2017, at 8:51 PM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com >>>> <mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Even with FileVault, you can turn on VoiceOver and get speech feedback >>>> for the prompts. You should first enter your account and hit enter. Then, >>>> type your password and hit enter. >>>> >>>> As for turning off the MBP, provided you have a touch bar, you can >>>> hold the power button for a second and you should get the authentication >>>> window to shutdown. Also, it's on the Apple menu as well. I believe if you >>>> press the FN key with the control-option-command and power button, that >>>> should turn it off too. I'll have to check that on my MBP. >>>> >>>> >>>> Take Care >>>> >>>> John D. Panarese >>>> Director >>>> Mac for the Blind >>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479 >>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com> >>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com <http://www.macfortheblind.com/> >>>> >>>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer >>>> >>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE >>>> >>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sep 27, 2017, at 9:42 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com >>>> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, all, >>>> >>>> So, unbeknownst to me, it seems that FileVault is activated by default on >>>> the new MBPs. >>>> >>>> This morning I shut my computer off by force quit, because I couldn't get >>>> it to shut down normally. When I got home from work, I tried to restart >>>> it. Apparently FileVault was activated. >>>> >>>> I always keep the screen dimmed to save battery power. So, I entered my >>>> username, and got absolutely no feedback as to whether it had been >>>> entered, much less whether it was entered correctly. Then I entered my >>>> password. I got the error that my login was incorrect. I know my >>>> password, I was able to successfully enter it on my old MBA. But repeated >>>> tries yielded the same error. >>>> >>>> After a few tries, I lost VO altogether. Unfortunately, I keep the screen >>>> dimmed, to save battery power. So at one point in this saga, I found >>>> myself without VO, and without the ability to brighten the screen, so I >>>> could get sighted assistance. Eventually, my husband put on two pairs of >>>> reading glasses, so he could read what was on the screen. The only way >>>> out of my problem seemed to be to deactivate FileVault. >>>> >>>> What was especially frustrating was the lack of VO support, and the lack >>>> of ability to navigate the screen. For example, I had no way to determine >>>> that my username had been entered correctly. my husband eventually saw >>>> that there were options like "Forgot Password" "keyboard not working" and >>>> so on, I never saw any of that. Also, I was completely unable to adjust >>>> output. I could not brighten the screen, so my husband could see it. I >>>> could not turn VO on or off. I was really wondering at one point whether >>>> I was locked out of my MBP permanently. I don't ever want to go through >>>> this again! >>>> >>>> So I know that some of you actually like FileVault. How the **** do you >>>> log in? >>>> TIA, >>>> Donna >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>> Visionaries list. >>>> >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>> >>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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