Text edit and Lion
Hi everyone! I have a new MacBook air and this is my first adventure with VoiceOver on a Mac computer. I have read the Getting started book, which did give me some minimal starting points. I'm now going through the tutorials done by David Woodbridge. Obviously there are a few things that must have changed in Lion. One of the most annoying things I can't get around comes in Text Edit. I can't believe there's no warning when it over writes a file and that no matter what I do, it just saves it when I quit. That's worse than automatically changing words to something I don't want. Ultimately if I end up using this computer for real, I'll likely spring for Pages or something, hoping that it doesn't do this as well. Also, when I open a file, I sure don't land where David does in his little demo. I have to go through a bunch of radio buttons before I find a list view table of document names. Is there a quicker way to open a document? And I won't even talk about mail yet. Anyway, any help would sure be appreciated. Thanks. Veronica Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing The Star-spangled Banner at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ Then learn about Music CDs that will impact and entertain you forever! http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California 831-429-6407 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Text edit and Lion
Hi Anne! I will check the setting in the voiceOver utility to see how they're set. But I am talking about opening a file within TextEdit. I'm just following along with the mp3 tutorials that David Woodbridge did, although Lion wasn't out yet when he did them. In his demo, when he finished writing in the sample practice file, he just quit the application with Command Q, without closing the window first. I'll try that and see if it responds differently. I did find something online that talked about how if you didn't want to save something in Lion, you have to go to the tool bar and find a previous version and save yourself that way. I've also just learned that it locks files if you don't open them for a certain period and that this preference can be changed in Time Machine. So I guess I'm about to learn Time Machine. I'm just not used to so many things being done for my own good without my knowledge. Wow! Thanks. Veronica Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing The Star-spangled Banner at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ Then learn about Music CDs that will impact and entertain you forever! http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California 831-429-6407 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Text edit and Lion
Thanks Matt, Anne and all of you for the Lion education. Now if only I could change the default state of that check box in the shut down the computer dialog. Oh well, progress, eh? Thanks again. Veronica Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing The Star-spangled Banner at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ Then learn about Music CDs that will impact and entertain you forever! http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California 831-429-6407 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Text edit and Lion
Okay, continuing.
First, I did double-check my settings in the navis indeesection of
the VoiceOver utility and it is indeed set to keyboard focus.
Here's what happens when I open a file in Text edit. First I open the
application. I'm beginning to think I should just go in through the
documents folder. Anyway, I hit command-O. The first thing I hear is,
plain text encoding. I then move with Vo-right-arrow and hear,
forward. Then I reach a series of radio buttons, of which list view
is the selected one. Then I reach arrange, menu button. Then I reach
a popup button which used to say documents. But last time I was in,
it changed to downloads. I pressed vo-space on this button and found
my user folder as a choice but not documents. So I selected that.
Continuing to move right, I pass search and a side bar table and
eventually find the list view table, which does seem to contain my
documents. Eventually I find my practice document and enter on it.
So, I tried adding some text to it and then closing the document with
Command-W. It just saved with no possibility of choosing a don't save
option. So it looks like only with a new or untitled document do I
get that option when using Command-W. Boy, it just seems like I'll
fill up my drive with a zillion versions of my file. I then managed
to sort of stop interacting with my text and use vo-left-arrow to
work my way back to a versions button. I find a browse all versions
button but can't figure out how to get to those versions. Hmmm, truly puzzled.
Thanks so much.
Veronica
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Re: Text edit and Lion
Thanks again, Anne, Ricardo and everyone for the help. And yes, that silly check box that would reopen all windows in any application was unchecked the first time I snooped around in the general tab of system preferences. Is there one place where the Lion changes or differences are described? Thanks so much. Veronica Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing The Star-spangled Banner at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ Then learn about Music CDs that will impact and entertain you forever! http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California 831-429-6407 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Text edit and Lion
I usually have to alt-tab to my desktop when I first boot up. Sometimes VO talks and sometimes it doesn't. Veronica At 03:16 PM 4/5/2012, you wrote: Hi Ann, The problem is that regardless of whether the box is checked or not in System Preferences, when you go to shut down or restart under Lion, the Windows checkbox is checked. I confirmed this behavior after speaking with an Apple rep. He stated, and it is apparently the case, that one has to uncheck this box every time you shut down or restart Lion. This might be why I have the problem of VO not talking at system startup without bringing focus to the Finder. Les On Apr 5, 2012, at 1:39 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: > Hello Veronica, > > Quite a lot has changed from Snow Leopard to Lion. One of the most annoying is that, by default, windows left open are not closed when you quit an application. You can change this behaviour in System Preferences. Go to the General pane and look for the check box labelled Restore windows when quitting and re-opening apps and uncheck it. A quick way to find this is to use the Item Chooser (VO-i) and type res to select only phrases containing that string. Press Return to have VO go to the selected item. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing The Star-spangled Banner at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ Then learn about Music CDs that will impact and entertain you forever! http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California 831-429-6407 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Text edit and Lion
Hmmm, I gave up on unchecking that box every time I shut down quite awhile ago. Most of the time I'll hear finder is running in the background, and then I can alt-tab to the desktop. But sometimes it's just silent and I haven't quite been at this long enough to know how fast a MacBook air should boot up. So I just wait till I get bored and then try and see what alt-tab gets me. Veronica At 04:47 PM 4/5/2012, you wrote: Hi Veronica, Well, if I have the restore Windows at startup option checked, I'm now getting speech. Since it's going to remain checked anyway, I figure I might as well now leave it at that setting; it was unchecked before. Unless I cannot re-boot, I close programs before a re-start or shut down. Les On Apr 5, 2012, at 6:53 PM, Veronica Elsea wrote: > I usually have to alt-tab to my desktop when I first boot up. Sometimes VO talks and sometimes it doesn't. > > Veronica > > At 03:16 PM 4/5/2012, you wrote: >> Hi Ann, >> >> The problem is that regardless of whether the box is checked or not in System Preferences, when you go to shut down or restart under Lion, the Windows checkbox is checked. I confirmed this behavior after speaking with an Apple rep. He stated, and it is apparently the case, that one has to uncheck this box every time you shut down or restart Lion. This might be why I have the problem of VO not talking at system startup without bringing focus to the Finder. >> >> Les >> On Apr 5, 2012, at 1:39 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: >> >> > Hello Veronica, >> > >> > Quite a lot has changed from Snow Leopard to Lion. One of the most annoying is that, by default, windows left open are not closed when you quit an application. You can change this behaviour in System Preferences. Go to the General pane and look for the check box labelled Restore windows when quitting and re-opening apps and uncheck it. A quick way to find this is to use the Item Chooser (VO-i) and type res to select only phrases containing that string. Press Return to have VO go to the selected item. >> > >> > Cheers, >> > >> > Anne >> > >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing The Star-spangled Banner at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ > Then learn about Music CDs that will impact and entertain you forever! > http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com > Veronica Elsea, Owner > Laurel Creek Music Designs > Santa Cruz, California > 831-429-6407 > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing The Star-spangled Banner at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ Then learn about Music CDs that will impact and entertain you forever! http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California 831-429-6407 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Web shortcut files [was Re: Drag and drop with VO]
Hi Jason and others!
Jason, the one thing I played with that seemed just a bit fuzzy was
when to type the Command-shift-D to get the file on the desktop. I
did this after typing command-S. Then I had to navigate back to the
text area to type the name. When I hit enter after typing the name, I
did not get the dialog asking if I wanted to accept the .url
extension. But the shortcut did appear on my desktop. When I opened
that shortcut, I got a message from core services about text edit
creating the file and then after all of that, I got complaints about
the certificate of the web site I put in. If it's this crazy to do, I
may just stick with bookmarks.
Is there a way to copy a url from a page we're visiting to a
clipboard and enter it into a text file by pasting?
Veronica
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Adjusting system and VoiceOver volumes independently in Lion.
Okay, here was the question I was trying to ask when things really fell apart.
This evening I found the David Woodbridge tutorial on adjusting the
system volume and VoiceOver volume independently. In his example, he
was playing a relax something in the background. When I did it, I was
playing his mp3 tutorial. I then used the command-option-command left
arrow to find volume. I then held down the modifier keys and moved
down to lower the voiceover volume. I followed his exercise and then
started moving back up. In his example, when he hit 96 per cent, the
next thing was system volume 20 per cent. He could then raise, but
not lower the system volume. In my attempt, after 95 per cent was 100
per cent and that was that. When I use function F11 to lower the
system volume, it lowered VoiceOver as well.
In trying to look around, I can't find any setting that refers to
separating these two volume levels.
I keep having this experience with his tutorials. He says do this and
that will happen. I do this and just hear bink! According to the
about this mac, I have 10.7.3. Where am I going wrong here?
Thanks.
Veronica
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Mail Problems, using Lion.
Okay, everyone, I'm really trying to like my new little MacBook air. I really am. And every time I get close, it bites! The first thing I tried to do on this machine was to set up my mail. I cussed and fussed at it for about two weeks, including a trip to the genious bar and we couldn't get it to accept my server for outgoing mail. It seemed to work okay if I set it to imap, but this is a pop mail account and it just seemed like something was broken here. Then one night, it just started working. I have no idea why. So I started to feel better about this computer. Now tonight as I attempted to write to this list about another subject, I can't send any more. It just says can't connect to this server and gives me the option of changing servers, of which there is no option. I have deleted and recreated this account so many times it's ridiculous. I have set up this account on a zillion, well okay, a few Windows computers with no problems, so I know I'm entering the right things. I actually did it over the phone with the people who host my server where my mail resides just to verify that I was correct. Anyone else have similar experiences? Any suggestions? Thanks. Veronica Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing The Star-spangled Banner at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ Then learn about Music CDs that will impact and entertain you forever! http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California 831-429-6407 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Adjusting system and VoiceOver volumes independently in Lion.
Hi there! Yes, I know about function F11 and F12. But they lowered the volume for both VoiceOver and system sounds. In this example, they were separate. And in my original post, I quoted how the demo went and I was wondering why I didn't see the same behavior on my machine. Thanks. Veronica At 11:01 PM 4/13/2012, you wrote: Function F11 lowers system volume and function F12 raises volume again. HTH. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: <http://m.facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1?refid=0>facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Apr 14, 2012, at 12:20 AM, Veronica Elsea wrote: Okay, here was the question I was trying to ask when things really fell apart. This evening I found the David Woodbridge tutorial on adjusting the system volume and VoiceOver volume independently. In his example, he was playing a relax something in the background. When I did it, I was playing his mp3 tutorial. I then used the command-option-command left arrow to find volume. I then held down the modifier keys and moved down to lower the voiceover volume. I followed his exercise and then started moving back up. In his example, when he hit 96 per cent, the next thing was system volume 20 per cent. He could then raise, but not lower the system volume. In my attempt, after 95 per cent was 100 per cent and that was that. When I use function F11 to lower the system volume, it lowered VoiceOver as well. In trying to look around, I can't find any setting that refers to separating these two volume levels. I keep having this experience with his tutorials. He says do this and that will happen. I do this and just hear bink! According to the about this mac, I have 10.7.3. Where am I going wrong here? Thanks. Veronica Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing The Star-spangled Banner at <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ Then learn about Music CDs that will impact and entertain you forever! <http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com>http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California 831-429-6407 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing The Star-spangled Banner at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ Then learn about Music CDs that will impact and entertain you forever! http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California 831-429-6407 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Mail Problems, using Lion.
Hi everyone! First, I know I've entered the correct information because it worked for two weeks. When I got it to work, I had a friend who owns a server just like the one where my mail is stored create a fake account for me. That one worked. After creating that account, my real account started working. The reason I use pop mail is that on my main windows computer, I'm using Eudora, which started out as pop a long time ago. I have all my folders set up on my computer along with way too many messages in my inbox. This MacBook air is to be used when I'm traveling or not at my desk. What I want to do here is to read mail and leave it on the server. So if I readjust everything, it could work, but it's just a bit more than I want to do at the moment because Mail busted something. And I can't imagine what kind of mess I could create as I delete this account over and over again. And I'm also sure about the port settings and such because we couldn't get it to work at the Apple store either. In searching online I have found a bunch of references to people having problems with Mail, it working for awhile, losing it again and so on. It sure is discouraging though. Thanks for the suggestions. I'll probably end up doing all sorts of strange things in the near future. I just can't believe how much time I've wasted on this. Yikes! Veronica Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing The Star-spangled Banner at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ Then learn about Music CDs that will impact and entertain you forever! http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California 831-429-6407 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Mail, unread versus read messages.
Hi everyone!
I too managed to turn off the preview pane. I did the double tap on
the track pad of my macbook air. It didn't say anything or make a
sound, but the preview pane did in fact disappear. Here's my question.
I also went into the view menu and turned off conversations. Now it
does not say unread or read for any message. Is there anything I
should have done or set to make this happen. It did say reply sent
though. Thanks.
Veronica
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Re: Mail, unread versus read messages.
Thanks Anne. Next time I'm reading mail I'll see what happens with the new messages that come in. Thanks. Veronica At 01:32 AM 4/17/2012, you wrote: Hello Veronica, If you are not interacting with the messages table and just navigating up and down with the arrow keys, VO should announce unread, reply was sent, message was forwarded, and so on, but not "Read". However, if you interact with the messages table, the status column will say "Blank" if the message has been read. Cheers, Anne On 16 Apr 2012, at 23:22, Veronica Elsea wrote: > Hi everyone! > I too managed to turn off the preview pane. I did the double tap on the track pad of my macbook air. It didn't say anything or make a sound, but the preview pane did in fact disappear. Here's my question. > I also went into the view menu and turned off conversations. Now it does not say unread or read for any message. Is there anything I should have done or set to make this happen. It did say reply sent though. Thanks. > > Veronica > Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing The Star-spangled Banner at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ > Then learn about Music CDs that will impact and entertain you forever! > http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com > Veronica Elsea, Owner > Laurel Creek Music Designs > Santa Cruz, California > 831-429-6407 > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing The Star-spangled Banner at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ Then learn about Music CDs that will impact and entertain you forever! http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California 831-429-6407 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Mail, unread versus read messages.
Okay, I went into Mail and new messages downloaded automatically. I then just used arrow keys to move through the messages. They all just said blank blank blank before the name of the sender, etc. Hmmm, what am I missing here? Thanks. Veronica On Apr 17, 2012, at 9:53 AM, Veronica Elsea wrote: > Thanks Anne. Next time I'm reading mail I'll see what happens with the new > messages that come in. > Thanks. > > Veronica > > At 01:32 AM 4/17/2012, you wrote: >> Hello Veronica, >> >> If you are not interacting with the messages table and just navigating up >> and down with the arrow keys, VO should announce unread, reply was sent, >> message was forwarded, and so on, but not "Read". However, if you interact >> with the messages table, the status column will say "Blank" if the message >> has been read. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Anne >> >> >> On 16 Apr 2012, at 23:22, Veronica Elsea wrote: >> >> > Hi everyone! >> > I too managed to turn off the preview pane. I did the double tap on the >> > track pad of my macbook air. It didn't say anything or make a sound, but >> > the preview pane did in fact disappear. Here's my question. >> > I also went into the view menu and turned off conversations. Now it does >> > not say unread or read for any message. Is there anything I should have >> > done or set to make this happen. It did say reply sent though. Thanks. >> > >> > Veronica >> > Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing The Star-spangled Banner at >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ >> > Then learn about Music CDs that will impact and entertain you forever! >> > http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com >> > Veronica Elsea, Owner >> > Laurel Creek Music Designs >> > Santa Cruz, California >> > 831-429-6407 >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> > "MacVisionaries" group. >> > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> > For more options, visit this group at >> > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing The Star-spangled Banner at > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ > Then learn about Music CDs that will impact and entertain you forever! > http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com > Veronica Elsea, Owner > Laurel Creek Music Designs > Santa Cruz, California > 831-429-6407 > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Mail, unread versus read messages.
Okay, you might be right. And in the act of trying, I seem to have made a mess of mail. Here's what I have. When I first open Mail, it says inbox, so many messages, so many unread. VO says messages table is under the cursor. I can open a message with enter and VO-J does take me to the text. If I tab from there, it says message content, row 1 of 1. Tab again and it says mailboxes table, then I'm back at messages. And after doing what I thought was the correct directions to disable the preview pane, from the messages table, VO-left or right arrow just takes me through the fields, date received, status, etc. If I stop interacting with the messages table, VO-right arrow takes me to a horrizontal splitter. Is this the one I use? If I VO-right from this splitter, it says mail activity, then next is another horrizontal splitter. Continuing right, I get new mailbox button, hide mail activity button, mailboxes action button, then back to message content. Now I can't find the table. I've ended up in funny menus sometimes too. If I quit mail, I can then come back in and find my messages table again. Boy, if someone could help me sort out the mess I've made, I'd sure appreciate it. Hey, at least I can send messages this week. I have no idea why it started working again, but I'm not asking. Anyway, thanks so much for the help. Veronica Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing The Star-spangled Banner at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ Then learn about Music CDs that will impact and entertain you forever! http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California 831-429-6407 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Mail, unread versus read messages.
Hi Anne! Okay, you're right. When not interacting with the table, I pressed VO-down-arrow and there it was! Horrizontal splitter. Is this the one I should then route my mouse to and double tap? Oh so close! Thanks. Veronica At 11:36 PM 4/17/2012, you wrote: Hello Veronica, I'm confused by what you're seeing, too. When you're on the messages table but not interacting, what happens when you press VO-Down Arrow? You should find a horizontal splitter and not be able to go down any further. Cheers, Anne -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing The Star-spangled Banner at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ Then learn about Music CDs that will impact and entertain you forever! http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California 831-429-6407 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Mail, unread versus read messages.
Woo hoo! This explanation finally did the trick for me. Mail is now behaving as I want it to. Yippee! Thanks for your patience, all of you. Hopefully one day down the road, I'll be able to do the same for someone else who is new to the Mac and VoiceOver. Thanks again. Veronica On Apr 18, 2012, at 1:11 PM, Veronica Elsea wrote: > Hi Anne! > Okay, you're right. When not interacting with the table, I pressed > VO-down-arrow and there it was! Horrizontal splitter. Is this the one I > should then route my mouse to and double tap? Oh so close! > Thanks. > > Veronica > > At 11:36 PM 4/17/2012, you wrote: >> Hello Veronica, >> >> I'm confused by what you're seeing, too. >> >> When you're on the messages table but not interacting, what happens when you >> press VO-Down Arrow? You should find a horizontal splitter and not be able >> to go down any further. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Anne >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing The Star-spangled Banner at > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ > Then learn about Music CDs that will impact and entertain you forever! > http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com > Veronica Elsea, Owner > Laurel Creek Music Designs > Santa Cruz, California > 831-429-6407 > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: sharing tip for rewinding music in iTunes with keyboard
Thanks Ioana! I was just about to ask this question. Do you know if holding down command-option-right-arrow will make the music scrub slowly forward, like an old tape recorder? Or do you just tap it once and it goes a certain distance, etc. Thanks so much. Veronica Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing The Star-spangled Banner at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ Then learn about Music CDs that will impact and entertain you forever! http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California 831-429-6407 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
re: using the mouse.
Hi everyone! I can't believe I'm doing this. It drives me crazy when there's just been a discussion on a list about something and then someone writes in and asks, what was that again? So, tail between legs, ears back, here I go. I was so excited about mail finally behaving that I accidentally deleted the message about using the actual mouse. I'd love to be able to wander around the track pad and get VoiceOver feedback. Is it that I go into universal access and change the delay there to zero? I think there's another step I've forgotten though. So please forgive me and I promise to pay closer attention from now on. But if someone could resend me that original post, I'd be most grateful. Thanks so much. Veronica -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: using the mouse.
Thanks Anne for saving me again. It's now working very nicely for me. I like being able to snoop around with the mouse. Thanks so much. Veronica At 11:30 PM 4/18/2012, you wrote: Hello Veronica, In VoiceOver Utility, Verbosity category, select the Announcements tab and check the check box Speak text under mouse after delay. Then set the delay to zero. When you run one finger over the trackpad, VO will speak what is under the mouse. Cheers, Anne On 18 Apr 2012, at 23:09, Veronica Elsea wrote: > Hi everyone! I can't believe I'm doing this. It drives me crazy when there's just been a discussion on a list about something and then someone writes in and asks, what was that again? So, tail between legs, ears back, here I go. > I was so excited about mail finally behaving that I accidentally deleted the message about using the actual mouse. I'd love to be able to wander around the track pad and get VoiceOver feedback. > Is it that I go into universal access and change the delay there to zero? I think there's another step I've forgotten though. So please forgive me and I promise to pay closer attention from now on. > But if someone could resend me that original post, I'd be most grateful. Thanks so much. > > Veronica > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing The Star-spangled Banner at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ Then learn about Music CDs that will impact and entertain you forever! http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California 831-429-6407 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Activities used to turn on Quick Nav?
Hi everyone! I was wondering if one can use activities to do something like automatically turning on Quick Nav when I start Safari, as I seem to use it there quite a bit. If this is possible, any reason why this might not be such a grand idea? Thanks so much. Veronica -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Activities used to turn on Quick Nav?
Hey thanks. I am using Lion and I think I'll goo ahead and try out the activities. Veronica Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing the Star-spangled Banner at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ Then find more music from The Guide Dog Glee Club and Veronica Elsea at http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California Phone: 831-429-6407 On Apr 21, 2012, at 5:50 PM, Frank Ventura wrote: > Veronica, yes this is possible if you are using Lion. I have a similar setup > for Safari. > Frank > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Veronica Elsea > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 7:03 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Activities used to turn on Quick Nav? > > Hi everyone! > I was wondering if one can use activities to do something like automatically > turning on Quick Nav when I start Safari, as I seem to use it there quite a > bit. If this is possible, any reason why this might not be such a grand idea? > Thanks so much. > > Veronica > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Drop box question.
Hi everyone!
Okay, making progress. Last night I installed Drop box on my Macbook
air. I have to say, wow was that install easier than it was on my
Windows 7 machine! It all talked very nicely.
Okay, now what? On my Windows machine, the install just put a
shortcut on my desktop, I entered on it and there were my folders.
On the Mac, I went into the Applications folder and found Dropbox in
the table. I've tried Command-O and VO-space. It just says drop box
has no windows. The only thing I can do at this point seems to be to
command-tab back into the finder and close the window. I can't find
anything on the dropbox wweb site about differences in using it on the Mac.
Any suggestions? Much appreciated.
Veronica
Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing The Star-spangled Banner
at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ
Then learn about Music CDs that will impact and entertain you forever!
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
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Re: Drop box question.
Oh thank you! Duh! I just keep forgetting about Lion's home folder concept. Nothing like a little demo of my vast experience, is there! But I found it, found my files, played them, and made an alias which now resides on my desk top. Happy camper! Thank you. Veronica At 02:40 PM 4/22/2012, you wrote: Hi, Your dropbox folder is in your home folder. From the finder, press command shift H. You will see the dropbox folder in there right along with desktop, downloads, documents, etc. hth Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Apr 22, 2012, at 5:06 PM, Veronica Elsea wrote: > Hi everyone! > Okay, making progress. Last night I installed Drop box on my Macbook air. I have to say, wow was that install easier than it was on my Windows 7 machine! It all talked very nicely. > Okay, now what? On my Windows machine, the install just put a shortcut on my desktop, I entered on it and there were my folders. > On the Mac, I went into the Applications folder and found Dropbox in the table. I've tried Command-O and VO-space. It just says drop box has no windows. The only thing I can do at this point seems to be to command-tab back into the finder and close the window. I can't find anything on the dropbox wweb site about differences in using it on the Mac. > Any suggestions? Much appreciated. > > Veronica > Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing The Star-spangled Banner at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ > Then learn about Music CDs that will impact and entertain you forever! > http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com > Veronica Elsea, Owner > Laurel Creek Music Designs > Santa Cruz, California > 831-429-6407 > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing The Star-spangled Banner at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ Then learn about Music CDs that will impact and entertain you forever! http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California 831-429-6407 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Data Detecter
Hi Steve and everyone! I too am watching to see if anyone chimes in here. It annoys me too. Thanks. Veronica Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing the Star-spangled Banner at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ Then find more music from The Guide Dog Glee Club and Veronica Elsea at http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California Phone: 831-429-6407 On Apr 27, 2012, at 1:46 PM, Steve Holmes wrote: > Anyone have an answer to this question? I got no replies from before > and I still haven't found a way to get Data Detecter to go away. > > On 4/23/12, Steve Holmes wrote: >> Hi, Is there any way to get VO on the mac to stop saying "data detecter" >> every time you arrow across what text is perceived to be an address or phone >> number? I find this to be especially annoying when arrowing through emails >> in particular. It also says that every time you left or right arrow through >> a link to spell it out letter by letter. >> >> Any ideas? >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Messages table not reading subject after adding new mailboxes in Mail.
Hi everyone! In mail, using Lion, classic view, I just created a bunch of new mailboxes and then added rules which send all my list messages to the appropriate mailboxes. That was easy and works like a charm. However, just one snag. I navigate with up and down arrow in the mailboxes table till I find mailbox which contains unread messages. Then I tab to the messages table. As I up and down arrow around, it says image, unread, but does not read who the message is from or what the subject is. Any thoughts on why the display has changed and how I can get this back? Thanks. Veronica -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Messages table not reading subject after adding new mailboxes in Mail.
P.S. I realized that when I choose the mailbox to explore in the mailboxes table, then tab to the messages table, for the first message, it will read subject and who it was from. But when I down arrow to the next message, all I hear is image, unread. Sorry about leaving out this detail. Thanks. Veronica On Apr 27, 2012, at 2:12 PM, Veronica Elsea wrote: > Hi everyone! > In mail, using Lion, classic view, I just created a bunch of new mailboxes > and then added rules which send all my list messages to the appropriate > mailboxes. That was easy and works like a charm. However, just one snag. I > navigate with up and down arrow in the mailboxes table till I find mailbox > which contains unread messages. Then I tab to the messages table. As I up and > down arrow around, it says image, unread, but does not read who the message > is from or what the subject is. Any thoughts on why the display has changed > and how I can get this back? > Thanks. > > Veronica > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Messages table not reading subject after adding new mailboxes in Mail.
Hi there! In the messages table, I can VO-right arrow, I can find subject, sender, etc. But before I created all of these other mailboxes, VO read all of the status items each time I'd arrow through the messages column. When I first open mail and it reads in my inbox, it read all of the fields. But when I changed to my Mac Visionaries mailbox, no go! I'm also noticing that mine says unread, image, blank, buddy, then sender and subject. A friend's mac does not say blank. Is this controlled by a say blank setting in VO? Thanks. Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing the Star-spangled Banner at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ Then find more music from The Guide Dog Glee Club and Veronica Elsea at http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California Phone: 831-429-6407 On Apr 27, 2012, at 3:38 PM, Steve Holmes wrote: > I've only had limitted exposure to classic view in Mail but from what > I remember, the subject, author, and date and whatever were in > separate cells of the message list table so while interacting with the > message table, try arrowing side to side in the table to see if you > can hear a column of subjects. Also if your mail is threaded and you > have it expanded, the subject might not show on the second and later > messages in that thread. > > In the new view, arrowing up and down the message list gives me all > that info in a single read for each entry. It also tells me if the > thread is collapsed or expanded and if unread. That's one reason I > wanted to stick to the newer view and now that I got the preview thing > turned off, it's all good. > > On 4/27/12, Veronica Elsea wrote: >> P.S. I realized that when I choose the mailbox to explore in the mailboxes >> table, then tab to the messages table, for the first message, it will read >> subject and who it was from. But when I down arrow to the next message, all >> I hear is image, unread. >> Sorry about leaving out this detail. Thanks. >> Veronica >> >> On Apr 27, 2012, at 2:12 PM, Veronica Elsea wrote: >> >>> Hi everyone! >>> In mail, using Lion, classic view, I just created a bunch of new mailboxes >>> and then added rules which send all my list messages to the appropriate >>> mailboxes. That was easy and works like a charm. However, just one snag. I >>> navigate with up and down arrow in the mailboxes table till I find mailbox >>> which contains unread messages. Then I tab to the messages table. As I up >>> and down arrow around, it says image, unread, but does not read who the >>> message is from or what the subject is. Any thoughts on why the display >>> has changed and how I can get this back? >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Veronica >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Messages table not reading subject after adding new mailboxes in Mail.
Quick nav is definitely off. Everything read just fine until I created a bunch of new mailboxes. When I select a new mailbox, and go back to the messages table, all fields are read for the first message, but not for any of the rest of the messages. I can VO-right arrow to the rest of the fields, but this is just so strange. If this were Window-eyes, I'd think that adding mailboxes took up room on the screen. I'm just clueless right now. I await further ideas? Thanks. Veronica Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing the Star-spangled Banner at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ Then find more music from The Guide Dog Glee Club and Veronica Elsea at http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California Phone: 831-429-6407 On Apr 27, 2012, at 8:23 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote: > SOunds like you have quick nav on. Try turning it off and see if that is > what you want. > > Best wishes, > > Jonathan > > Jonathan C. Cohn > jonc...@cox.net > > > > On Apr 27, 2012, at 8:36 PM, Veronica Elsea wrote: > >> Hi there! >> In the messages table, I can VO-right arrow, I can find subject, sender, >> etc. But before I created all of these other mailboxes, VO read all of the >> status items each time I'd arrow through the messages column. When I first >> open mail and it reads in my inbox, it read all of the fields. But when I >> changed to my Mac Visionaries mailbox, no go! I'm also noticing that mine >> says unread, image, blank, buddy, then sender and subject. A friend's mac >> does not say blank. Is this controlled by a say blank setting in VO? >> Thanks. >> >> Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing the Star-spangled Banner at >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ >> Then find more music from The Guide Dog Glee Club and Veronica Elsea at >> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com >> Veronica Elsea, Owner >> Laurel Creek Music Designs >> Santa Cruz, California >> Phone: 831-429-6407 >> >> On Apr 27, 2012, at 3:38 PM, Steve Holmes wrote: >> >>> I've only had limitted exposure to classic view in Mail but from what >>> I remember, the subject, author, and date and whatever were in >>> separate cells of the message list table so while interacting with the >>> message table, try arrowing side to side in the table to see if you >>> can hear a column of subjects. Also if your mail is threaded and you >>> have it expanded, the subject might not show on the second and later >>> messages in that thread. >>> >>> In the new view, arrowing up and down the message list gives me all >>> that info in a single read for each entry. It also tells me if the >>> thread is collapsed or expanded and if unread. That's one reason I >>> wanted to stick to the newer view and now that I got the preview thing >>> turned off, it's all good. >>> >>> On 4/27/12, Veronica Elsea wrote: >>>> P.S. I realized that when I choose the mailbox to explore in the mailboxes >>>> table, then tab to the messages table, for the first message, it will read >>>> subject and who it was from. But when I down arrow to the next message, all >>>> I hear is image, unread. >>>> Sorry about leaving out this detail. Thanks. >>>> Veronica >>>> >>>> On Apr 27, 2012, at 2:12 PM, Veronica Elsea wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi everyone! >>>>> In mail, using Lion, classic view, I just created a bunch of new mailboxes >>>>> and then added rules which send all my list messages to the appropriate >>>>> mailboxes. That was easy and works like a charm. However, just one snag. I >>>>> navigate with up and down arrow in the mailboxes table till I find mailbox >>>>> which contains unread messages. Then I tab to the messages table. As I up >>>>> and down arrow around, it says image, unread, but does not read who the >>>>> message is from or what the subject is. Any thoughts on why the display >>>>> has changed and how I can get this back? >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> Veronica >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegrou
Re: Messages table not reading subject after adding new mailboxes in Mail.
Jonathan, VO says messages table, and I just use arrow keys to move up and down the list. I hear everything when I just tab into the table. Hitting left and right arrows together turn Quick nave on and then off. Here's an interesting additional discovery. If I have two messages in a mailbox, all fields read properly on the first. If I down-arrow, I only hear one field. If I shift-tab back to the mailboxes table, then tab back to the messages table, I can hear all the fields for the second message. I tried this on a friend-s mac tonight. Until I had used her computer, she had only read mail in the inbox and everything read fine. She asked me to go look at something in her sent mail box. I did that and now her Mac behaves just like mine. Now I have two computers to fix. There is something happening which is caused by changing mailboxes in that table. I'm sure baffled. Thanks. Veronica Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing the Star-spangled Banner at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ Then find more music from The Guide Dog Glee Club and Veronica Elsea at http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California Phone: 831-429-6407 On Apr 27, 2012, at 9:54 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote: > OK. Are you interacting with the message list? > Are you using arrow keys or arrow kes with VO? > Is the Subject in the Message list, but you are only hearing the from column? > > What happens when you hit left and right arrows at the same time twice? What > does VO say to you? > > Jon > > Jonathan C. Cohn > jonc...@cox.net > > > > On Apr 27, 2012, at 9:39 PM, Veronica Elsea wrote: > >> Quick nav is definitely off. Everything read just fine until I created a >> bunch of new mailboxes. When I select a new mailbox, and go back to the >> messages table, all fields are read for the first message, but not for any >> of the rest of the messages. I can VO-right arrow to the rest of the fields, >> but this is just so strange. If this were Window-eyes, I'd think that adding >> mailboxes took up room on the screen. I'm just clueless right now. I >> await further ideas? >> Thanks. >> >> Veronica >> >> Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing the Star-spangled Banner at >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ >> Then find more music from The Guide Dog Glee Club and Veronica Elsea at >> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com >> Veronica Elsea, Owner >> Laurel Creek Music Designs >> Santa Cruz, California >> Phone: 831-429-6407 >> >> On Apr 27, 2012, at 8:23 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote: >> >>> SOunds like you have quick nav on. Try turning it off and see if that is >>> what you want. >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> >>> Jonathan >>> >>> Jonathan C. Cohn >>> jonc...@cox.net >>> >>> >>> >>> On Apr 27, 2012, at 8:36 PM, Veronica Elsea wrote: >>> >>>> Hi there! >>>> In the messages table, I can VO-right arrow, I can find subject, sender, >>>> etc. But before I created all of these other mailboxes, VO read all of the >>>> status items each time I'd arrow through the messages column. When I first >>>> open mail and it reads in my inbox, it read all of the fields. But when I >>>> changed to my Mac Visionaries mailbox, no go! I'm also noticing that mine >>>> says unread, image, blank, buddy, then sender and subject. A friend's mac >>>> does not say blank. Is this controlled by a say blank setting in VO? >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing the Star-spangled Banner at >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ >>>> Then find more music from The Guide Dog Glee Club and Veronica Elsea at >>>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com >>>> Veronica Elsea, Owner >>>> Laurel Creek Music Designs >>>> Santa Cruz, California >>>> Phone: 831-429-6407 >>>> >>>> On Apr 27, 2012, at 3:38 PM, Steve Holmes wrote: >>>> >>>>> I've only had limitted exposure to classic view in Mail but from what >>>>> I remember, the subject, author, and date and whatever were in >>>>> separate cells of the message list table so while interacting with the >>>>> message table, try arrowing side to side in the table to see if you >>>>> can hear a column of subjects. Also if your mail is threaded and you >>>>> have it expanded, the subject might not show on the sec
Using Macbook air with Braille Sense On Hand
Hi everyone! I was just wondering if anyone had successfully paired the BrailleSense On Hand with a MacBook air. I'm pretty new at both pieces of gear but after looking at everybody's instructions, I came oh so close. So I just thought I'd see if any of you had tried and/or succeeded at doing this. Thanks. Veronica Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing the Star-spangled Banner at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ Then find more music from The Guide Dog Glee Club and Veronica Elsea at http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California Phone: 831-429-6407 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: mail weirdness
Caitlin, I have my account set the same way and it won't delete my messages either. I'm just as puzzled about this as you are. Sorry, no answers here yet. Veronica Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing the Star-spangled Banner at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ Then find more music from The Guide Dog Glee Club and Veronica Elsea at http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California Phone: 831-429-6407 On Apr 28, 2012, at 1:07 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > Hi, > > I hope somebody has some suggestions about my mail problem. > > After a reinstall of Lion a couple weeks ago, I of course had to reinput my > mail account. I am using my gmail account. Now,, mail isn't deleting my > messages after I read them. The next time I reopen mail, the same messages > are back again! > > In mail preferences, I have it set to delete the trash when quitting mail, > and to not leave things on the server. > > What am I doing wrong? > > Before I had to reinstall Lion, my gamil account didn't act like this! > > thanks, > Caitlyn > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: mail weirdness
Actually, it doesn't work as it should for pop mail either. In mail preferences, I have checked the option to have erased mail deleted when I quit mail. It has done this once. Most of the time, when I finish going through my Email, I have to just do the Shif-command-delete to get the trash emptied. And I know plenty of people who think that Apple has broken many things in Mail with version 5, and not just VO-related stuff either. Veronica Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing the Star-spangled Banner at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ Then find more music from The Guide Dog Glee Club and Veronica Elsea at http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California Phone: 831-429-6407 On Apr 28, 2012, at 9:12 PM, Steve Holmes wrote: > When I went into gmail settings, I could not find anything to enable > immediate deletion of messages. I recall some time ago when there was an > option in Google Labs supporting an option to make gmail's IMAP emulation > work like normal IMAP servers but I haven't heard anything more on this since > then. > > In the mean time, the messages I delete with the delete key are now placing > messages into a folder called Deleted messages. I guess I will have to go > this route for now and use Mutt email client to go in and move them all over > to [Gmail]/Trash from time to time. Or just go back to moving them to Trash > manually each time I wish to delete stuff. Frankly, the the delete function > in Apple Mail for Lion is not doing the job the way I want it to. It might > work well for POP or standard IMAP but not for gmail IMAP. > > On Apr 28, 2012, at 1:00 PM, M. Taylor wrote: > >> Hello Caitlyn et al, >> >> I read your message very carefully. >> >> Currently, I have several G Mail iMap accounts that I access with Apple >> Mail. I have no problems at all in deleting messages from any of them; I >> have re-installed Lion several times since its release without having ever >> experienced the problem you and others are currently reporting. >> >> When I wish to delete a message from either a conversation or the delete the >> entire thread, in Standard view, I simply press the BackSpace key on the >> keyboard. >> >> Now, before exiting Mail, I use the key combo Command+Shift+Backspace in >> order to empty the messages currently marked for deletion. I answer yes, in >> the confirmation Dialog box and they are permanently deleted. >> >> Now you may be saying, "Yes, Mark, I do this as well yet it does not work." >> To which I will reply, I understand. >> >> The problem is that there is a setting that must be configured from within >> your G Mail account, itself, on the web to enable the client to have access >> in order to permanently delete the mail. >> >> It's been a while since I set this up but, go to your G Mail web account. >> Somewhere in the Options, you will see something that reads like "Delete >> Messages Immediately". This will be unchecked. You must place a checkmark >> in this option. Then, if all goes well and "the water don't rise," as the >> saying goes (smile) you should be in business. >> >> While you're in that area of your G Mail account, review all of the message >> options in case I am, most likely, forgetting something else. >> >> One more thing, I have my G Mail account setup so that, when using either >> Apple Mail or Microsoft Outlook, I can quickly and easily undelete any >> message marked for deletion (before the purge), by using key-combo Command+Z >> on the Mac or Control+Z in Windows 7. If you would like to know how to >> configure this for your G Mail account, check out episode 70 of the Candle >> Shore podcast. >> >> Good Luck, >> >> Mark >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Caitlyn Furness >> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 11:08 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Cc: Caitlyn Furness >> Subject: mail weirdness >> >> Hi, >> >> I hope somebody has some suggestions about my mail problem. >> >> After a reinstall of Lion a couple weeks ago, I of course had to reinput my >> mail account. I am using my gmail account. Now,, mail isn't deleting my >> messages after I read them. The next time I reopen mail, the same messages >> are back again! >> >> In mail preferences, I have it set to delete the trash when quitting mail, >> and to not leav
Solved getting icons to read when changing mailboxes.
Hi everyone! I figured this out today and thought I'd share it here in case it helped anyone else. Just in case it matters, I didn't make smart mailboxes, only regular dumb ones. When I'd arrow through my mailboxes table to choose a mailbox, then when I'd tab back to the messages table VO would only read one icon, rather than reading all that I'd chosen. First I figured out that each time I selected a mailbox, if I then exited mail and opened it again, that first mailbox would behave properly. Now I've figured out that when I go into the messages table, if I am on a message, ask VO to interact, VO says no text to interact with, then I uninteract with this nothing, then everything reads fine in that bunch of messages. It shouldn't be, and it's a bit weird, but at least I have a work-around. I'd be curious to hear from any of you who have multiple mailboxes set up. Oh, by the way, I'm using pop mail. Anyway, I hope this helps someone. Veronica Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing the Star-spangled Banner at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ Then find more music from The Guide Dog Glee Club and Veronica Elsea at http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California Phone: 831-429-6407 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Just about to give up!
Okay, for the past week I've been writing about mail issues from out of town. I'm still puzzled about the mailboxes and messages tables because they don't behave like some of you describe. But now that I came home, the good old Mail problem reappeared again. I can once again receive mail, but not send. I know this is a mail bug because I've now visited two different genious bars and they said they know of many people who have changed their email from whatever it was to a G mail account so it won't keep losing track of itself. I'm tired of recreating accounts and struggling to read subject lines for mail. I'm about ready to put this thing away until an update comes out. I so want it to work but I'm really frustrated. I don't think the losing track of my account server is related to VoiceOver at all, but the other stuff is, for sure. I feel so stupid when I read this list and see how much some of you are doing, yet I can't seem to get the basics out of my way so I can enjoy the more complex stuff. Okay, I did get Drop box to work. I found out that the Braille Sense OnHand is supposed to work with Macs once Mountain Lion comes out. I don't know. Is it not my time? I just wanted to write and see if there's anyone out there who understands where I'm at right now. I learned Dos. I'm quite good at Windows. I didn't have any trouble learning the iPhone. So why is Lion driving me absolutely insane? Thanks so much. Veronica Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing The Star-spangled Banner at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ Then learn about Music CDs that will impact and entertain you forever! http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California 831-429-6407 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Just about to give up!
Dean, I do have the outgoing server set correctly, as verified
mulpitle times. I've walked through the account setup with the
company, repeated the process at the Apple store, and done it
numerous times myself. The weird bit is that it will suddenly start
working fine, and then will stop just as suddenly. I was able to send
two messages this afternoon. Tonight I tried to send one more and it
failed. I then wrote to myself and that one went. I am no longer
touching any account settings, just letting it work properly or not.
Mail worked fine when I was out of town for a week. Go figure! I just
don't think this one's about me.
Veronica
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Mail problems explained.
Okay, a bit of work ahead but I do feel vindicated on both accounts.
First, regarding the problem, not being able to send mail
consistently, as some of you suggested early on, guess I'm going to
do what Apple wants and switch to imap because the pop mail is
definitely busted somewhere. So as soon as I figure out what to do in
Eudora on my windows systems, I'll be switching over and then I'll be
able to send mail consistently.
Second, the problem I've been describing since last week, VoiceOver
not reading all the icons in the messages table after changing to a
different mailbox? VoiceOver bug. So thanks for the help, Mark. Now
I'll go learn about imap.
And then I can get back to playing the optimist again and eagerly
await the next update? Hahahaha!
Thanks again.
Veronica
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Re: how to save audio from youtube and mail archive tutorial
s for transferring it to my iTouch, what should I do? > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing The Star-spangled Banner at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ Then learn about Music CDs that will impact and entertain you forever! http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California 831-429-6407 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
VoiceOver not always reading greeting correctly.
Hi everyone!
I just started noticing this little annoyance in the last couple of
weeks. In the VoiceOver utility, I have chosen my own text for the
greeting after log in. My computer says Hello Veronica. I am here for
you! Okay, I like a bit of personality in my machines! Well,
for some reason, lately, more often than not, it just says VoiceOver
on. Until the last week and a half or so, it always spoke my little
creation, but now, most of the time it does not. Every once in
awhile, it will read it properly. I don't see anything that I could
have accidentally changed in the general tab of the VO utility, so
I'm curious as to what may have changed. Any ideas?
Thanks.
Veronica
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Apple Email campaign to bring back braille support for all!
Hi everyone!
Many of us from the Hims note takers email list are taking today,
Tuesday as a day to contact Apple, asking them to restore full access
for the Hims braille displays and note takers to IOS devices, which
was broken in the 5.1.1 update. If braille is important to you, we'd
love to have you join us, as the next update could impact your chosen
display or note taker. If you feel inclined to join us, please take a
minute to send an email to: accessibil...@apple.com or fill out the
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support phone line at 877-204-3930. Please also feel free to get your
friends to join us today.
Thanks so much.
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Re: question for all voice over trainers: trouble interacting with items
Hi there! Well, I am not a trainer, but I thought I'd describe my difficulties understanding the interactive concept and see if it helps at all. I do understand your bookshelf analogy except for one thing. If I'm in the finder and come upon a folder name, I just issue an open command to go into it. If I don't want to open the folder, I just hit the arrow key to move to the next folder title. So, I didn't have to do anything there with VoiceOver. I'm really baffled by things like sometimes having to interact with a table and sometimes just arrowing down, as I do in the messages table in mail. So, what did I finally do for me? Gave up on trying to get the concept. I did better with rote learning. Interact here. Don't interact here. Try something and if it doesn't work, try interacting. I can't think of anything in the Windows screen-reader world that is like this. So the best phrase I was able to offer myself was this, some things just don't happen automatically in VoiceOver and you have to tell VoiceOver what you want it to look at. That's the only thing that allowed me to deal with what seems like inconsistencies in when one does or does not need to interact with something. It is kind of a goofy thing and I can see why some people would struggle. And you're right. The only real answer is practice, trial and error. See if it helps to tell your student that other people have trouble figuring this out too and we all just try things together. Maybe if your student can then relax a bit about it, not getting to that brain ache place trying to understand something, he or she may start practicing again. I know I've given myself breaks, just to let my own frustration wind down. And good for you for continuing to try to reach this person. Keep it up. Hope this helps. Veronica At 09:10 PM 6/3/2012, you wrote: The way I explain VoiceOver's interacting with an object or region is to think of what a sighted person does with their eyes when they want to focus in on a small region of the screen. They squint their eyes a bit and narrow their gaze and focus in on a region of the screen that might have small details. It's also akin (sort of) to the zoom feature of a camera; when in zoom mode, you can only see certain elements at a time, but you can see great detail. HTH. • Mark BurningHawk Baxter • AIM, Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 • MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com • My home page: • http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Watch and hear Veronica Elsea's Prayer for a Soldier at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFoIhWrBHFI Then learn about Music CDs that will impact and entertain you forever! http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California 831-429-6407 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Can't get out of Flash update!
Okay, can somebody please rescue me from Adobe flash update. I thought I was being so smart by not letting Adobe update automatically. But every time I go to YouTube, there's another stupid Flash update. Sheesh! Anyway, it's clear that there are some images that need clicking or something. I got so frustrated looking for the install that when my sighted husband walked by, I just let him click it. But now it says it's done. I can tab through radio button, let adobe update for me, learn more and then to a done button. But I can't seem to click on the done button. First I tried VO-space, then enter. Then I thought I remembered from an earlier discussion about mouse keys so I then tried VO-command-4 to route the mouse cursor. Then I tried shift-VO-space to click the mouse. It made a nice clicking sound, but didn't work. I think it just landed on "image" rather than a done button. I'm a little ahead of myself here in terms of learning mouse keys and the like. But boy, I'd sure like to dump this installer. Help! Thanks a huge bunch to any and all of you who can sort me out. No cheating now. My hubby is at the hardware store. Hahahaha! Thanks. Veronica Watch and hear Veronica Elsea's Prayer for a Soldier at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFoIhWrBHFI Then learn about Music CDs that will impact and entertain you forever! http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California 831-429-6407 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Can't get out of Flash update!
Thanks so much, Tim. I did eventually think of hitting the space, but wondered if I'd made the right choice there. When I did it, I landed back in the part of the installer where I enter my password. So I hit escape and then I was out, but the .dmg file was still on my desktop. I went in there and found a quit button and that finally made it go away. Then when I returned to the page in YouTube that I was originally trying to listen to, I had to refresh a couple of times before the song would play. But at least, I finally heard the song I wanted and saved it as a bookmark. Whew! Thanks again for the info. Veronica At 07:25 PM 6/9/2012, you wrote: Hi, Just use your spacebar. That is, in the Flash installer, you can tab around then when you wish to activate your button or checkbox, just hit the spacebar. Notice, no VO keys at all, just the tab key and the spacebar. That should do it for you. HTH. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On 2012-06-09, at 6:07 PM, Veronica Elsea wrote: Okay, can somebody please rescue me from Adobe flash update. I thought I was being so smart by not letting Adobe update automatically. But every time I go to YouTube, there's another stupid Flash update. Sheesh! Anyway, it's clear that there are some images that need clicking or something. I got so frustrated looking for the install that when my sighted husband walked by, I just let him click it. But now it says it's done. I can tab through radio button, let adobe update for me, learn more and then to a done button. But I can't seem to click on the done button. First I tried VO-space, then enter. Then I thought I remembered from an earlier discussion about mouse keys so I then tried VO-command-4 to route the mouse cursor. Then I tried shift-VO-space to click the mouse. It made a nice clicking sound, but didn't work. I think it just landed on "image" rather than a done button. I'm a little ahead of myself here in terms of learning mouse keys and the like. But boy, I'd sure like to dump this installer. Help! Thanks a huge bunch to any and all of you who can sort me out. No cheating now. My hubby is at the hardware store. Hahahaha! Thanks. Veronica Watch and hear Veronica Elsea's Prayer for a Soldier at <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFoIhWrBHFI>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFoIhWrBHFI Then learn about Music CDs that will impact and entertain you forever! <http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com>http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California 831-429-6407 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Watch and hear Veronica Elsea's Prayer for a Soldier at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFoIhWrBHFI Then learn about Music CDs that will impact and entertain you forever! http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California 831-429-6407 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: can't rewind or fast forward in iTunes.
Interesting that it's F7 and F9. So what does F8 do? Thanks. Veronica At 04:36 AM 6/11/2012, you wrote: HI. i believe the command for fast forwarding is command option right arrow? is this correct? if I hold down command option and press right arrow usually the file i"m trying to play goes back to the start. does anyone have any idea why i can't rewind or fast forward? thanks God Bless! Maria from australia Newbie mac user. <mailto:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com>bubbygirl1...@gmail.com will get you fb as well as email & iMessage. skype same as email,without the gmail part. twitter bubbygirl -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Watch and hear Veronica Elsea's Prayer for a Soldier at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFoIhWrBHFI Then learn about Music CDs that will impact and entertain you forever! http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California 831-429-6407 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Trying to recreate account as imap in Mail.
Hi everyone! Okay, I'm baffled. Thanks to the urging from many of you on this list, I'm finally making the switch from pop mail to imap. Don't even ask about life with Thunderbird on my Windows computer! Anyway, here's the Mac question. Oh, I am running Lion on my MBA. So, I deleted my pop mail account by hitting VO-space on the remove account button found in mail preferences. I then closed Mail and just for good measure, rebooted the computer. When I opened Mail, the welcome message appeared and it took me through the questions. Trouble is, there was no question asking me whether I wanted imap or pop. The first time I went all the way through the set up, it ended up as imap, but all of my previous mailboxes, messages, rules and signatures were still there. It didn't synchronize properly in that the new folders I'd created on the server didn't appear and I ended up with two sent folders. So I removed the account a second time and shut down the computer again. But again, in the account creation dialogs, there was no question about choosing imap or pop. Somehow I get the feeling it's not really deleting what had been there and I'm ending up with a bit of a mess. Any suggestions would sure be appreciated at this point. After all, this was partly why I was supposed to join the 21st century and switch to imap, so everything would just automatically appear on all computers. Hmmm, as I said, all the wisdom here is so much appreciated. I'll keep searching articles and such to see if I find some miraculous solution as well. Thanks again. Veronica -- Watch and hear Veronica Elsea's Prayer for a Soldier at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFoIhWrBHFI Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California Phone: 831-429-6407 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Trying to recreate account as imap in Mail.
Yes, I am positive that the account supports imap as I have it running
on my PC now. Plus, it did sort of create an imap account and I know
this because I can send on my Mac in an imap account whereas I can not
always send in pop mail. It's a lion bug and this is one of the reasons
I am trying to change. But yes, a hundred per cent positive the account
can do imap.
Veronica
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On 6/26/2012 3:00 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
Hello,
Are you sure the account supports IMAP?
Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
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On Jun 26, 2012, at 5:47 PM, Veronica Elsea
wrote:
Hi everyone!
Okay, I'm baffled. Thanks to the urging from many of you on this list, I'm finally
making the switch from pop mail to imap. Don't even ask about life with Thunderbird
on my Windows computer! Anyway, here's the Mac question. Oh, I am
running Lion on my MBA. So, I deleted my pop mail account by hitting VO-space on the
remove account button found in mail preferences. I then closed Mail and just for good
measure, rebooted the computer.
When I opened Mail, the welcome message appeared and it took me through the
questions. Trouble is, there was no question asking me whether I wanted imap or
pop. The first time I went all the way through the set up, it ended up as imap,
but all of my previous mailboxes, messages, rules and signatures were still
there. It didn't synchronize properly in that the new folders I'd created on
the server didn't appear and I ended up with two sent folders. So I removed the
account a second time and shut down the computer again. But again, in the
account creation dialogs, there was no question about choosing imap or pop.
Somehow I get the feeling it's not really deleting what had been there and I'm
ending up with a bit of a mess. Any suggestions would sure be appreciated at
this point.
After all, this was partly why I was supposed to join the 21st century and
switch to imap, so everything would just automatically appear on all computers.
Hmmm, as I said, all the wisdom here is so much appreciated. I'll keep
searching articles and such to see if I find some miraculous solution as well.
Thanks again.
Veronica
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Re: Trying to recreate account as imap in Mail.
Hi again! Okay, found the choice. In the second screen of the dialog, I discovered that VO wasn't landing in the start of the dialog. So lo and behold, I did VO-left-arrow and there was the button which said pop. So I changed it to imap. I then completed the account creation and all of my folders which I'd created on my pop account were still there. None of the folders I've recently created on the server show up except that second sent mail box. Is there a place deep down where previous activities have been stored? Should I manually remove all folders and rules before I remove the account to see if that helps? Is there another setting in Lion that I don't know about in terms of how it talks to the server? Thanks. Veronica Previous text: Yes, I am positive that the account supports imap as I have it running on my PC now. Plus, it did sort of create an imap account and I know this because I can send on my Mac in an imap account whereas I can not always send in pop mail. It's a lion bug and this is one of the reasons I am trying to change. But yes, a hundred per cent positive the account can do imap. Veronica Watch and hear Veronica Elsea's Prayer for a Soldier at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFoIhWrBHFI Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California Phone: 831-429-6407 On 6/26/2012 3:00 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hello, Are you sure the account supports IMAP? Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Jun 26, 2012, at 5:47 PM, Veronica Elsea wrote: Hi everyone! Okay, I'm baffled. Thanks to the urging from many of you on this list, I'm finally making the switch from pop mail to imap. Don't even ask about life with Thunderbird on my Windows computer! Anyway, here's the Mac question. Oh, I am running Lion on my MBA. So, I deleted my pop mail account by hitting VO-space on the remove account button found in mail preferences. I then closed Mail and just for good measure, rebooted the computer. When I opened Mail, the welcome message appeared and it took me through the questions. Trouble is, there was no question asking me whether I wanted imap or pop. The first time I went all the way through the set up, it ended up as imap, but all of my previous mailboxes, messages, rules and signatures were still there. It didn't synchronize properly in that the new folders I'd created on the server didn't appear and I ended up with two sent folders. So I removed the account a second time and shut down the computer again. But again, in the account creation dialogs, there was no question about choosing imap or pop. Somehow I get the feeling it's not really deleting what had been there and I'm ending up with a bit of a mess. Any suggestions would sure be appreciated at this point. After all, this was partly why I was supposed to join the 21st century and switch to imap, so everything would just automatically appear on all computers. Hmmm, as I said, all the wisdom here is so much appreciated. I'll keep searching articles and such to see if I find some miraculous solution as well. Thanks again. Veronica -- Watch and hear Veronica Elsea's Prayer for a Soldier at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFoIhWrBHFI Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California Phone: 831-429-6407 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Discovery! re: trying to create imap account
Okay, I've managed to find another tidbit of trying to create my imap account. This time, VoiceOver actually said, "collapsed" on my inbox. So I expanded the inbox and there were all of the folders I'd created. As I arrowed through the mailboxes, I then found "sent, level one." It was empty. -- Continuing to down-arrow, I then found all of the mailboxes which I'd previously created during the pop mail days. Below those mailboxes is my second sent mailbox, which is full of previously sent messages. When new messages come in, they're being put in the second set of folders. Could this be because the program is set to keep copies of the message on the computer for offline viewing? I'm considering what might happen if I remove this second set of folders and all of the rules, just to see what happens. However, I'm a bit nervous about accidentally deleting folders from the server, which I worked hard to create. Any thoughts? Thanks so much. Veronica Watch and hear Veronica Elsea's Prayer for a Soldier at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFoIhWrBHFI Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California Phone: 831-429-6407 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Still tuck getting rid of preview pane in Mountain Lion Mail.
Okay, feeling kind of stupid here. I thought I followed the directions I saw on this list earlier, for getting rid of the preview pane in Mountain Lion mail, but it didn't look the same on mine. I have a list of mailboxes and for each mailbox, a bunch of messages. In Lion, I'd just tab from the mailbox and I'd be in the list of messages, and could shift-tab back to the mailbox list. So after upgrading mail, I found myself on the list of mailboxes. I uninteracted with it and foud one vertical splitter. So I moved it to 100, but nothing changed. So I looked around again to see if I should have gone to the right of the messages, but just found a horrizontal splitter there. I moved it to 100 anyway, just in case. But I still have the new mailbox button and possibly something else in between my mailboxes table and my messages table. If someone can tell me where I went wrong, I'd sure appreciate it. So far my snooping around hasn't yielded anything brilliant. Thanks. Veronica Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing the Star-spangled Banner at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ Then find more music from The Guide Dog Glee Club and Veronica Elsea at http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California Phone: 831-429-6407 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
ML Mail annoyances.
Hi everyone.
Two things to ask about.
I am using imap and have ML mail set to classic view.
1. Still scrounging around for what I goofed up from yesterday's message
about getting rid of preview pane. In between the mailboxes table and
the messages table I have three things, new mailbox, hide mail activity
button and mailboxes action menu button. I assumed that if I moved the
only vertical splitter I found to 100 per cent, everything would look
familiar, but that hasn't happened at my house. Any thoughts?
Second, yes, I can jump between the mailbox and message tables with
Vo-J, but I somehow like the simplicity of the tab key. In addition, I
find it easier when encountering the other thing that is apparently not
yet fixed.
2. In the first mailbox I check, VO reads all of the status columns just
fine, message subject, from, date. But when I change mailboxes, Vo just
says image. I either have to turn VO off and back on to hear columns
read properly, or tab and shift-tab for each message.
How do the rest of you who have many mailboxes get around this?
Thanks.
Veronica
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Re: Loud Beeping Noise
Those spelling typo quacks sounded like a good idea to me till I started
typing. It drives me crazy that when I type a word like didn't, it
quacks as soon as I hit the apostrophe. It usually jars me enough that I
actually make a typo. But I do agree, I've caught some things
early. But yesterday I went in and turned that off so I'll see what life
is like without it. Always fun to experiment, eh?
Veronica
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On 7/29/2012 8:19 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:
Heh. I actually rather love that noise, and in fact I love the blooping noise
that the auto-correct thing makes, specifically because it's loud enough that I
can hear it and realize I've made a typo, go back and fix it before
auto-whatever could. The whole process is speeded up considerably by those
noises. It does it in TextEdit when you're reading over text, and it's
supposed to do it as you type; I haven't tried that in new kitty yet, and in
fact I do hope it works the way it does in Mail, as it would speed my writing
up immensely to be notified of most typos immediately upon making them. YAY
little weird blooping noises!
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Re: working with data detectors?
Yes, I have a small list of things I'd like to shut up. One is the data
detecter and the other is menu extras. Once I'm there, I sure don't need
to hear it every time I move.
Veronica
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On 7/29/2012 8:23 PM, Dan Roy wrote:
yes, but, since it already reads the url, email address or sigature, why
oh wy do they persist in also telling us 1 has been detected, it's
driving me nuts. It's even more so in ml than in Lion. I wish we could
toggle this off.
On Jul 28, 2012, at 9:34 AM, Henry D. Hollithron mailto:teetah1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Good Day:
Here is the relevant extract from chapter 7 of the VoiceOver Getting
Started guide, which is the last option in the VoiceOver help menu. Of
course, VoiceOver now appears to be more specific about which data has
been detected, but I think the instructions still apply.
HTH:
Henry
Use data detectors in Mail messages
Mail can detect specific information or data in messages and make it
easier for you to use the data. For example, Mail can recognize phone
numbers and add them to Contacts, or recognize a date and time and
create an event in Calendar.
1. In a message you’ve received, move the VoiceOver cursor over a
phone number, email address, URL, street address, date, or time.
Mail outlines the data as a field with a pop-up menu, and
VoiceOver speaks “data detector.”
2. To open a shortcut menu that contains commands for using the data,
press VO-Shift-M.
For example, if the data detector is the URL of a website, you can
choose Open URL from the shortcut menu.
On 28 Jul 2012, at 09:51, Alex Hall mailto:mehg...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hiall,
I was reading an email to find a guy's phone number. I found it, and
vo said "signature detected". I'd love it if the mac could
automagically put the contact info into a new ocntact for me, but I
don't know how to do it. How would I go about this, or any data
detector, like an event or email detection? I am running Mountain
Lion if that matters. Thanks.
Have a great day,
Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
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Re: Loud Beeping Noise
To turn off the quack, go into the VoiceOver utility, and select verbosity in the utility table. Then select the text tab and as you go through, you'll find a button where you choose what happens when a misspelled word is encountered. I just set mine to do nothing. Hope this is what you were looking for. Veronica Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing the Star-spangled Banner at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ Then find more music from The Guide Dog Glee Club and Veronica Elsea at http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California Phone: 831-429-6407 On Jul 29, 2012, at 8:56 PM, Christopher-Mark gilland wrote: > how in the world did you turn it off? > > Chris. > > - Original Message ----- From: "Veronica Elsea" > > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 11:54 PM > Subject: Re: Loud Beeping Noise > > > Those spelling typo quacks sounded like a good idea to me till I started > typing. It drives me crazy that when I type a word like didn't, it > quacks as soon as I hit the apostrophe. It usually jars me enough that I > actually make a typo. But I do agree, I've caught some things > early. But yesterday I went in and turned that off so I'll see what life > is like without it. Always fun to experiment, eh? > > Veronica > > > Watch and hear Veronica Elsea's Prayer for a Soldier at > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFoIhWrBHFI > Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: > http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com >Veronica Elsea, Owner > Laurel Creek Music Designs > Santa Cruz, California > Phone: 831-429-6407 > > > On 7/29/2012 8:19 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote: >> Heh. I actually rather love that noise, and in fact I love the blooping >> noise that the auto-correct thing makes, specifically because it's loud >> enough that I can hear it and realize I've made a typo, go back and fix it >> before auto-whatever could. The whole process is speeded up considerably by >> those noises. It does it in TextEdit when you're reading over text, and >> it's supposed to do it as you type; I haven't tried that in new kitty yet, >> and in fact I do hope it works the way it does in Mail, as it would speed my >> writing up immensely to be notified of most typos immediately upon making >> them. YAY little weird blooping noises! >> >> >> • Mark BurningHawk Baxter >> • AIM, Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 >> • MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com >> • My home page: >> • http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Moving around in Messages table in ML mail.
Hi everyone! I know this has been asked before and I know what it seems like the answer should be. But I am sure stumped. I just can't seem to get to the first or last message in a table. Shouldn't it be Vo-shift-FN-left or right arrow on the Macbook air? When I hit this keystroke, it just goes to the horrizontal splitter. Also, is there a keystroke to jump to the first unread message in a table? Hitting the up and down arrow keys a zillion times is sure getting old. Thanks for the help. Veronica Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing the Star-spangled Banner at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ Then find more music from The Guide Dog Glee Club and Veronica Elsea at http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California Phone: 831-429-6407 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Moving around in Messages table in ML mail.
Hi Rachel and everyone! Okay, interacting did make the home and end work. I then uninteracted in order to hear alll of the information as I arrowed through the messages in the table. I couldn't get option-up or down arrows to do anything though. I don't know about anyone else here, but boy I sure could use a good overall tutorial on using Apple Mail. I've managed to figure out that if I interact with the messages table, Vo doesn't read alll of the information like from, subject and such automatically, but uninteracting makes that work. But if I don't interact, there is the vertical splitter between the mailboxes and messages table so I'm constantly going back and forth. I'd sure like to find the most efficient way to just get through my email with the fewest keystrokes. Thanks so much. Veronica Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing the Star-spangled Banner at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ Then find more music from The Guide Dog Glee Club and Veronica Elsea at http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California Phone: 831-429-6407 On Jul 29, 2012, at 10:08 PM, Rachel Feinberg wrote: > Hi Veronica, > > Try interacting with the messages table, and the keystroke vo+fn+shift left > or right arrow to simulate home and end respectively should work. > Also, try option up arrow or down arrow to get to the first or last message > in a table as well. > Rachel > On Jul 29, 2012, at 10:02 PM, Veronica Elsea > wrote: > >> Hi everyone! >> I know this has been asked before and I know what it seems like the answer >> should be. But I am sure stumped. I just can't seem to get to the first or >> last message in a table. Shouldn't it be Vo-shift-FN-left or right arrow on >> the Macbook air? When I hit this keystroke, it just goes to the horrizontal >> splitter. >> Also, is there a keystroke to jump to the first unread message in a table? >> Hitting the up and down arrow keys a zillion times is sure getting old. >> Thanks for the help. >> >> Veronica >> >> Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing the Star-spangled Banner at >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ >> Then find more music from The Guide Dog Glee Club and Veronica Elsea at >> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com >> Veronica Elsea, Owner >> Laurel Creek Music Designs >> Santa Cruz, California >> Phone: 831-429-6407 >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: So Why on Earth Does Mission Control Just Pop Up Unexpectedly With That Weird Noise?
Christine, it's because the command to get into Mission control is
control-down-arrow. All it takes is to hit the control key to shut up
speech, then hit the down-arrow a little too soon and there you are.
Mission control is supposed to be a place where you can look at all of
the different applications you have opened.
If you go into system preferences and find the keyboard section, then
choose the keyboard shortcuts tab, you can get rid of this shortcut and
this annoyance will go away. As I remember the dialog was a bit twiddly
fiddly for me when I did this, but I was much more of a beginner than I
am now, which is a slightly more advanced beginner. Hahahaha! But when
I'm on my macbook soon, I'll take another look at that dialog in case
you have more questions about making sure you get rid of the right
shortcut. Also, I think control-left-arrow opens the dash board. Hope
this helps as a start, at least.
Veronica
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On 8/7/2012 7:01 PM, Christine Grassman wrote:
This is happening a few times a day, in Mail, in Safari, while searching in Spotlight, while in the
Finder, and so on. There's the Swish noise, and there it is, and I have to get out of it, or
nothing works right. Very, very odd. I feel like it's jumping out and saying "Boo!" or
"You're it!"
Christine
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Getting Mission Control out of the way.
Hi Christine and everyone. Okay, I'm on the MacBook now so I thought I'd share what I did to get rid of Mission Control's annoying unwanted appearances. 1. go into system preferences. 2. Interact with preference panes scroll area. 3. VO-right-arrow to the keyboard button. Note: You will pass by Mission control, which does contain some keyboard options. But these are for keyboard commands while you're in Mission control, so they're not what we're after at the moment. 4. Select keyboard and VO-right-arrow to the keyboard shortcuts tab and select it. Note: You'll pass by the keyboard tab on the way to the keyboard shortcuts tab. 5. VO-right-arrow till you hear "shortcut categories table. 6. On mine, Mission control was the first item in the table. If it isn't for you, up and down arrow till you find mission control. 7. Then VO-right-arrow past a vertical splitter, then you'll find mission control shortcuts table. 8. Here's where it got interesting for me. If you don't interact with the shortcuts table, you can up and down arrow, hearing checkboxes which are either checked or unchecked. But of course, you can't change the state of the checkboxes. Once you interact, you can uncheck these boxes, you just can't tell what you're unchecking. So I just kept tabbing and shift-tabbing back and forth, being careful that I didn't get myself into a strange table and uncheck some big thing somewhere. But when you're not interacting with the shortcuts table, you will see things like application windows, control-down-arrow. If you count from the top, knowing which one this is, just interact, uncheck that box and your life will be so much more peaceful. 9. If you stop interacting with the shortcuts table, you can VO-right-arrow to the place where you can decide how the tab key behaves. Or you can just close with Command-W and enjoy your Mac life. Anyway, there may be an easier path, but I hope this made sense and did some good. Veronica Watch and hear Veronica Elsea's Prayer for a Soldier at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFoIhWrBHFI Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California Phone: 831-429-6407 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Safari questions with ML
Hi everyone! First, I thought I'd respond to the discussion on tables. The one I encounter is on my bank's web site. I can find the table and VO-right-arrow through each item. When I'm on the first column of a row, the VO-R command also reads the whole row to me. I can't figure out how to bop straight down a column though. But at least the information is all there. And I so appreciate those of you who reported the apparent bug here. I was beginning to think I was losing my mind. I just can't seem to quite figure out where I land and when I need to interact and when I don't. I don't remember having this issue in Lion but granted, I only used it a little bit because I was waiting for Mountain Lion before really getting going on this Macbook. The other thing I've apparently lost track of is how to quickly do a google search. I have figured out that if I open Safari and just stay on the tool bar, I can type a url or a search term. I then VO-right-arrow to the html content area where I interact. But it sure seemed to me that there was a keystroke or something that went easily into that google search. But I just can't find it anywhere. But boy I'd sure love a good tutorial and demo of really using Safari in ML. I did create an activity which turns on Quick Nav when I go into Safari, and I was afraid that this was what was messing up my browsing experience. So I will await further news and see how far I get in the meantime. But thanks so much to all of you who are so on top of all of this stuff. I look forward to doing my part to pay forward. In the meantime, I'm open to all Safari suggestions. Thanks. Veronica Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing the Star-spangled Banner at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ Then find more music from The Guide Dog Glee Club and Veronica Elsea at http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California Phone: 831-429-6407 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Getting Mission Control out of the way.
Mark, it comes up when you hit the control key to silence VO, as in starting to read the subject, date and all the info for an email message. If you then hit the down-arrow too quickly, intending to go to the next message, bingo! You've opened Mission control. I did this a lot in the early days of learning this keyboard. In trying to type something like VO-down-arrow, all you have to do is slightly miss a finger press and hey look! There it is again. In my case, since it was something I knew I'd never want, I sure couldn't see tripping over the thing, no matter how infrequently it happened. So that's my story. Have fun. Veronica Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing the Star-spangled Banner at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ Then find more music from The Guide Dog Glee Club and Veronica Elsea at http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California Phone: 831-429-6407 On Aug 7, 2012, at 8:30 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote: > Can I just ask, what does everyone use Control up and or down arrow to do? > Mission Control has come up only very seldom with me, usually because of a > typo involving Control arrows. I'm just curious why it comes up for so often > for so many. > > > • Mark BurningHawk Baxter > • AIM, Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 > • MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com > • My home page: > • http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Getting Mission Control out of the way.
Hey, no problem. But the first time I accidentally hit that
keystroke and heard that swoosh, I just about jumped out of my skin. I
think that's the real problem, when you're really concentrating and then
blammo!
Thanks.
Veronica
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On 8/7/2012 8:49 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:
Oh, please excuse me; I didn't mean to imply that you'd been careless or
negligent. *smile* I just haven't experienced the conditions in which it's
invoked very often. Yep, there it is, and Escape banishes it back. Hmmm.
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Re: Safari questions with ML
Oh how nice. I didn't realize that one could also search with command-L.
So when would one use Command-F? And where would this command look for
things? Thanks so much.
Veronica
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On 8/7/2012 9:15 PM, Rachel Feinberg wrote:
Hi Veronica,
For the keystroke to quickly go to the address bar where you can either google
search, or type in a URL is command+l.
I'll wait, (along with you), for someone to explain tables, since i'm still new
to this as well.
Rachel
On Aug 7, 2012, at 8:40 PM, Veronica Elsea
wrote:
Hi everyone!
First, I thought I'd respond to the discussion on tables. The one I encounter
is on my bank's web site. I can find the table and VO-right-arrow through each
item. When I'm on the first column of a row, the VO-R command also reads the
whole row to me. I can't figure out how to bop straight down a column though.
But at least the information is all there.
And I so appreciate those of you who reported the apparent bug here. I was
beginning to think I was losing my mind. I just can't seem to quite figure out
where I land and when I need to interact and when I don't. I don't remember
having this issue in Lion but granted, I only used it a little bit because I
was waiting for Mountain Lion before really getting going on this Macbook.
The other thing I've apparently lost track of is how to quickly do a google
search. I have figured out that if I open Safari and just stay on the tool bar,
I can type a url or a search term. I then VO-right-arrow to the html content
area where I interact. But it sure seemed to me that there was a keystroke or
something that went easily into that google search. But I just can't find it
anywhere.
But boy I'd sure love a good tutorial and demo of really using Safari in ML. I
did create an activity which turns on Quick Nav when I go into Safari, and I
was afraid that this was what was messing up my browsing experience.
So I will await further news and see how far I get in the meantime. But thanks
so much to all of you who are so on top of all of this stuff. I look forward to
doing my part to pay forward. In the meantime, I'm open to all Safari
suggestions. Thanks.
Veronica
Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing the Star-spangled Banner at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ
Then find more music from The Guide Dog Glee Club and Veronica Elsea at
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
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Re: Getting Mission Control out of the way.
Hi there! Less is right. There are other things you may or may not want to uncheck in that list. You'll find control-left-arrow, and F12, hich opens dash board, or at least it did in Lion. But there is also F11 to open the desktop. I like to use that one sometimes, so I don't uncheck that box. That's why a good old-fashioned snoop is in order here. Have fun! Veronica Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing the Star-spangled Banner at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ Then find more music from The Guide Dog Glee Club and Veronica Elsea at http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California Phone: 831-429-6407 On Aug 8, 2012, at 3:25 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: > Thanks Les, I'll be glad to get that thing out of the way. Can't try it at > the moment as I'm at work with no Mac in front of me. > > Kawal. > > On 8 Aug 2012, at 11:21 AM, Les Kriegler wrote: > >> Hi There, >> >> I only unchecked two items, Control-Up Arrow and Control-Down arrow. >> Veronica was correct in that any time I activated Mission Control, it >> related to shutting up speech and hitting one of the arrows too quickly. If >> it turns out other items need to be unchecked, I'll be vigilant as to what >> keystrokes invoked this behavior. >> >> Les >> On Aug 8, 2012, at 6:11 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: >> >>> Hello All especially Veronica. >>> >>> Do you uncheck every check box? I hate Mission control and it was not clear >>> from veronica's instructions. Sorry if I'm missing someding. >>> >>> Kawal. >>> >>> On 8 Aug 2012, at 06:46 AM, Teresa Cochran >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Before I disabled the Mission Control keystroke, it would come up every >>>> time I used VO-up-arrow, which contains the control-up-arrow keystroke. >>>> That's probably what's happening in a lot of cases. >>>> >>>> Teresa >>>> >>>> On Aug 7, 2012, at 8:14 PM, Veronica Elsea >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Christine and everyone. >>>>> Okay, I'm on the MacBook now so I thought I'd share what I did to get rid >>>>> of Mission Control's annoying unwanted appearances. >>>>> 1. go into system preferences. >>>>> 2. Interact with preference panes scroll area. >>>>> 3. VO-right-arrow to the keyboard button. Note: You will pass by Mission >>>>> control, which does contain some keyboard options. But these are for >>>>> keyboard commands while you're in Mission control, so they're not what >>>>> we're after at the moment. >>>>> 4. Select keyboard and VO-right-arrow to the keyboard shortcuts tab and >>>>> select it. Note: You'll pass by the keyboard tab on the way to the >>>>> keyboard shortcuts tab. >>>>> 5. VO-right-arrow till you hear "shortcut categories table. >>>>> 6. On mine, Mission control was the first item in the table. If it isn't >>>>> for you, up and down arrow till you find mission control. >>>>> 7. Then VO-right-arrow past a vertical splitter, then you'll find >>>>> mission control shortcuts table. >>>>> 8. Here's where it got interesting for me. If you don't interact with >>>>> the shortcuts table, you can up and down arrow, hearing checkboxes which >>>>> are either checked or unchecked. But of course, you can't change the >>>>> state of the checkboxes. Once you interact, you can uncheck these boxes, >>>>> you just can't tell what you're unchecking. So I just kept tabbing and >>>>> shift-tabbing back and forth, being careful that I didn't get myself into >>>>> a strange table and uncheck some big thing somewhere. But when >>>>> you're not interacting with the shortcuts table, you will see things like >>>>> application windows, control-down-arrow. If you count from the top, >>>>> knowing which one this is, just interact, uncheck that box and your life >>>>> will be so much more peaceful. >>>>> 9. If you stop interacting with the shortcuts table, you can >>>>> VO-right-arrow to the place where you can decide how the tab key behaves. >>>>> Or you can just close with Command-W and enjoy your Mac life. >>>>> Anyway, there may be an easier path, but I hope th
Organizing files and folders
Hi everyone! This discussion of setting up folders reminded me of a question I've had for a long time. Coming from the Windows world, when I'd go into my documents folder, I was used to finding the folders listed first, then all of the files in alphabetical order. It drives me crazy having the file and folder names all mixed up together like this. Is there any way to sort things so that I see folders first? Just curious. Thanks. Veronica Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing the Star-spangled Banner at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ Then find more music from The Guide Dog Glee Club and Veronica Elsea at http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California Phone: 831-429-6407 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Organizing files and folders
Thanks so much, Rashantha. I will definitely check out all of these options. After all, when it's all said and done, this computer is supposed to work for me. Hahahaha! Thanks again. Veronica Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing the Star-spangled Banner at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ Then find more music from The Guide Dog Glee Club and Veronica Elsea at http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California Phone: 831-429-6407 On Aug 9, 2012, at 9:38 AM, rashantha de silva wrote: > Hi Veronica > > Not sure if you got my previous email but I sent you a method of doing it the > techie way. Here's a inexpensive product http://totalfinder.binaryage.com/ > > BTW we just camping near Santa Cruz - such an amazing place. > > Rashantha > Found Quo Computer > http://www.facebook.com/quocomputer > > On Aug 8, 2012, at 8:22 PM, Veronica Elsea wrote: > >> Hi everyone! >> This discussion of setting up folders reminded me of a question I've had for >> a long time. Coming from the Windows world, when I'd go into my documents >> folder, I was used to finding the folders listed first, then all of the >> files in alphabetical order. It drives me crazy having the file and folder >> names all mixed up together like this. Is there any way to sort things so >> that I see folders first? Just curious. Thanks. >> >> Veronica >> >> Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing the Star-spangled Banner at >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ >> Then find more music from The Guide Dog Glee Club and Veronica Elsea at >> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com >> Veronica Elsea, Owner >> Laurel Creek Music Designs >> Santa Cruz, California >> Phone: 831-429-6407 >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Knowing when there are attachments
If you go into the main menu and then go to view, then go to columns submenu. In there you can choose have attachments shown in your list of columns. I like this much better than having to look at the message itself. Hope this helps. Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing the Star-spangled Banner at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ Then find more music from The Guide Dog Glee Club and Veronica Elsea at http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California Phone: 831-429-6407 On Aug 11, 2012, at 10:13 AM, Christine Grassman wrote: > Don't know about that, but I use classic view, and if you know, or suspect, > that there is an attachment, go down to the very bottom of the text in the > message and if you see "imbedded" followed by a file title and size, there's > your attachment. > Another way to check is to go into the context menu, and see if you get a > choice of "open attachment" or "save attachment". > On Aug 11, 2012, at 12:56 PM, Bill Holton wrote: > >> Hi. >> I am using mail in the classic view, and I'm wondering if there is any way >> to show in that table that it a particular email has an attachment? There is >> a field in the table for status but this shows up blank even when the email >> does happen attachment. Is there something I need to change? >> Thanks. >> Bill >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Answering a FaceTime call when in another window.
Hi everyone! Okay, I think I must be missing something really obvious here. Earlier I was checking my mail, reading a message when a facetime call came in. For the life of me, I couldn't figure out how to get to the window where I could actually answer the call. I heard VO speak and it did say in the background, but command tab didn't go there at all. I had to go chase down the application in the dock and open it and hunt for the window. By the time I got there, the caller was long gone. Is there a quicker way to respond when a call comes in? Thanks. Veronica Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing the Star-spangled Banner at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ Then find more music from The Guide Dog Glee Club and Veronica Elsea at http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California Phone: 831-429-6407 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Three running applications?
Hi everyone! When I'm sitting on my desktop, in the finder and I type VO-F1, it used to say two applications running. Then I'd go into the application chooser and the finder would be there. Well, now suddenly I have it saying three applications running. I'm wondering what in the world that third application could be or how I could find out. As far as I know, I haven't changed anything. I did go into my user account and look at the log in tab to see what was checked. The only thing checked in there is iTunes helper. I think this has always been the case. I'm really puzzled. Any thoughts? Thanks. Veronica -- Watch and hear Veronica Elsea's Prayer for a Soldier at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFoIhWrBHFI Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California Phone: 831-429-6407 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Saving Files in TextEdit
This is one of two things that drive me crazy using Text Edit in Mountain Lion. Frankly, I'm going to look at a different text editor. I don't have any intention of saving my documents in icloud and since I can't change that default, it's now a royal pain in the you know what. I also don't like this new wizard or whatever it's called that appears when you open text edit. I tended to use this program for things like grocery lists and such and I just hate all the extra fussing around. Veronica Watch and hear Veronica Elsea's Prayer for a Soldier at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFoIhWrBHFI Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California Phone: 831-429-6407 On 8/12/2012 8:08 PM, Dean Adams wrote: Hi Jeff, If you want to save files into a different place other than icloud V O space bar when it says icloud and arrow down to say documents then V O left arrow till it says disclosure button unchecked and V O space bar to check it then you have the ability to get to the side bar table and other folders in the browse area select the folder where you want to save your file and V O right arrow to the save button. For some reason apple have made the choice the have icloud as the default place to save files to . Regards Dean Sent from Dean Adams Macbook Pro breezepa...@gmail.com Voip phone: +6124307 9248 landline Phone: +61243892195 Mobile: +61428133758 Skype : deanadams9 On 13/08/2012, at 11:02 AM, Jeff Berwick wrote: Hi again, Can anybody explain to my why I can't save files in TextEdit? It seems like the only place it wants to allow me to save files in is the iCloud. Any other location I select it dims out the "save" button. Any thoughts are much appreciated and welcomed! Thx, Jeff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Text edit and icloud
Hi there! Happily, I also figured out that somehow when installing ML, it had changed my icloud settings. So once I went in and unchecked documents, as I don't want my documents in the cloud, Text edit started behaving nicely again. Yay! No opening with the strange wizard and saving defaulted to the documents folder. Yippee! Thanks. Veronica Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing the Star-spangled Banner at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ Then find more music from The Guide Dog Glee Club and Veronica Elsea at http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California Phone: 831-429-6407 On Aug 13, 2012, at 5:19 AM, John Sanfilippo wrote: > I think it was Veronica who had a question about text edit wanting to put > everything in the cloud. > > I too found this irritating and discovered that: > > 1, You can uncheck the iCloud box in the text edit dialog, and check the > local box. Then carry on. I do not know if that remains in effect for the > future. > > 2, If you sign out of iCloud then text edit opens without interruption. > > js > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Three running applications?
Hi Earl. When I go into the application chooser, it only shows one application, finder. Hmmm. Where are the other two hiding and where did that third one come from when I didn't change anything, as far as I know? Thanks. Veronica Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing the Star-spangled Banner at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ Then find more music from The Guide Dog Glee Club and Veronica Elsea at http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California Phone: 831-429-6407 On Aug 13, 2012, at 2:37 AM, Earle wrote: > If you hit vo-f1 twice you can see the list of currently open apps. Just > vo-up or down arrow and you can see what all 3 apps are. > -- > Earle > > Msn: peterson...@sympatico.ca > > Skype, Twitter, Facebook, and Yahoo: rowdyamerican > > Aim: rowdyamerican28 > > On 2012-08-12, at 7:45 PM, Veronica Elsea > wrote: > >> Hi everyone! >> When I'm sitting on my desktop, in the finder and I type VO-F1, it used to >> say two applications running. Then I'd go into the application chooser and >> the finder would be there. Well, now suddenly I have it saying three >> applications running. I'm wondering what in the world that third application >> could be or how I could find out. As far as I know, I haven't changed >> anything. >> I did go into my user account and look at the log in tab to see what was >> checked. The only thing checked in there is iTunes helper. I think this has >> always been the case. I'm really puzzled. Any thoughts? >> Thanks. >> >> Veronica >> >> -- >> Watch and hear Veronica Elsea's Prayer for a Soldier at >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFoIhWrBHFI >> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: >> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com >>Veronica Elsea, Owner >> Laurel Creek Music Designs >> Santa Cruz, California >> Phone: 831-429-6407 >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Saving Files in TextEdit
Steve, when I unchecked documents under my icloud preferences, that
weird wizard did indeed go away. This also changed the default save to
documents folder, rather than icloud.
Now, here's the thing I wish would come back. When the save dialog
appeared, you used to be able to just hit command-d for don't save. That
seems to have gone away. Bummer! I did send a note to feedback asking
for this one back. Even my sighted hubby misses this shortcut.
Thanks.
Veronica
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Phone: 831-429-6407
On 8/17/2012 4:24 AM, Steve Holmes wrote:
I'm not aware of any such wizard happening every time I open Text edit but then
again, I've left it running for some time so I have been just command-tabbing
into it. I haven't used the editor a lot lately so Haven't determined if there
is a way to change the default save directory.
On Aug 12, 2012, at 9:01 PM, Veronica Elsea
wrote:
This is one of two things that drive me crazy using Text Edit in Mountain Lion.
Frankly, I'm going to look at a different text editor. I don't have any
intention of saving my documents in icloud and since I can't change that
default, it's now a royal pain in the you know what.
I also don't like this new wizard or whatever it's called that appears when you
open text edit. I tended to use this program for things like grocery lists and
such and I just hate all the extra fussing around.
Veronica
Watch and hear Veronica Elsea's Prayer for a Soldier at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFoIhWrBHFI
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407
On 8/12/2012 8:08 PM, Dean Adams wrote:
Hi Jeff,
If you want to save files into a different place other than icloud V O
space bar when it says icloud and arrow down to say documents then V O left
arrow till it says disclosure button unchecked and V O space bar to check it
then you have the ability to get to the side bar table and other folders in the
browse area select the folder where you want to save your file and V O right
arrow to the save button. For some reason apple have made the choice the have
icloud as the default place to save files to .
Regards Dean
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landline Phone: +61243892195
Mobile: +61428133758
Skype : deanadams9
On 13/08/2012, at 11:02 AM, Jeff Berwick wrote:
Hi again,
Can anybody explain to my why I can't save files in TextEdit? It seems like the only
place it wants to allow me to save files in is the iCloud. Any other location I select
it dims out the "save" button.
Any thoughts are much appreciated and welcomed!
Thx,
Jeff
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ML .1, first look.
Hi everyone! Okay, I too was surprised by how my update went. I expected more of a download event. In any case, it was easy and I do in fact now have 10.8.1 on my system. The first thing I did was to try Safari. It seems the same, unfortunately. It still comes up on the tool bar and doesn't seem to automatically interact with html content like Lion did. Hmmm. If there isn't some little thing I'm doing wrong, bummer! I so want Safari to be smooth and sensible again. I look forward to hearing from the rest of you on this one. Thanks. Veronica Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing the Star-spangled Banner at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ Then find more music from The Guide Dog Glee Club and Veronica Elsea at http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California Phone: 831-429-6407 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: ML .1, first look.
Okay, Alex and Chris!
Maybe we can figure out what I do differently than you do. I hope so
because I really want this to work.
So I'll give you one example. I open Safari and it lands on the tool
bar. I typed in www.harryfox.com and waited. Then VO said, html content,
then just sat there. When I interacted with the html content, it then
started saying, home, contact us, etc. Never mind that I have my
settings such that I'd like it to announce some information about the
page when it loads. Once in that page, I then used command-L to go to
another page to see if it behaves differently. I went to www.acb.org and
saw exactly the same behavior.
I'd love to hear what you guys do that is different. Thanks so much.
Veronica
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On 8/23/2012 6:17 PM, Christopher-Mark gilland wrote:
Likewise.
Chris.
- Original Message - From: "Alex Hall"
To:
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: ML .1, first look.
Safari works fine for me, always interacting with the html content.
That's very odd...
On 8/23/12, Kliphton wrote:
That's why the mac side of things that is the only thing I don't use. I
still use IE, especially when I am surching for something. I will use
safari when it is a quick look, or just needing to buy something from
amazon, but when it's gonna be a long session, IE it is. I would
also like
to get firmilure with numbers, but no one seems to have tutorials or
podcasts for it. So guess I am on my own.
(Marriage Blog) http://christledmarriage.wordpress.com
(Marriage group)
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http://twitter.com/MarrigeMinistry
On Aug 23, 2012, at 6:46 PM, Veronica Elsea
wrote:
Hi everyone!
Okay, I too was surprised by how my update went. I expected more of a
download event. In any case, it was easy and I do in fact
now have
10.8.1 on my system. The first thing I did was to try Safari. It
seems the
same, unfortunately. It still comes up on the tool bar and doesn't
seem to
automatically interact with html content like Lion did. Hmmm. If there
isn't some little thing I'm doing wrong, bummer! I so want Safari to be
smooth and sensible again.
I look forward to hearing from the rest of you on this one. Thanks.
Veronica
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ
Then find more music from The Guide Dog Glee Club and Veronica Elsea at
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
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ML .1 changed Mail again.
Okay, I'm going to go gray before this Macbook is done with me! After playing with Safari, I just thought I'd restart and see what happens. Then I thought I'd check my mail. Two things. Did anyone else notice that the first time you go into Safari and the first time you opened mail in 10.8.1, you heard that sound you get when sending mail or opening up Mission control? Anyway, after that, I went into Mail and boy does it look weird. I know we've had zillions of discussions about preview panes and all of that but I haven't see it look like this before. When mail opens, I'm usually set to classic view, which I still am. I have preview pane gone. Usually I come up in the messages table where I can up and down arrow through messages. It comes in and says messages table, inbox, 135 of 136. Okay, I'm sitting on message number 136. If I up arrow, I hear, horrizontal splitter. If I down arrow, I hear horrizontal splitter. If I Vo-left arrow to the mailboxes table, I can hear the current mailbox but none of the rest of them. I can interact with the table, but then I can't easily get to the list of messages where I used to be able to up and down arrow without interacting, getting to hear all of the column information at once. Does this mean that the preview pane is back? Guess I'm going to have to keep those instructions set right by the computer if every time the operating system gets a snack, preview is back. Sheesh! Now let's see if I can hunt those instructions down. Good grief! Thanks for any help. Veronica -- Watch and hear Veronica Elsea's Prayer for a Soldier at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFoIhWrBHFI Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California Phone: 831-429-6407 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: ML .1, first look.
Hi Chris!
First, thanks for such a nice exact description. And in case anyone else
is following along, here's what solved it. I am using Mountain Lion,
latest update. My voiceOver cursor was in fact set correctly in the VO
utility. Here's what did make it work. Yes Chris, it was the set new tab
function in Safari. Who'd have thunk it! I just figured that things
would load faster if every new window didn't have to go to a page. Wow!
But in fact when I did set it to go to my home page, bingo! Safari began
interacting automatically. Boy this list sure earned its place in my
book! Thanks so much. It would have been quite awhile before I got
around to making that connection.
And I had in the past created an activity to automatically turn on Quick
Nav when I went into Safari, but kicked it out when I was trying to
figure out why VoiceOver thought I had extra apps running. Maybe I can
relax and put that back now.
Anyway, thanks again. Really really appreciated from here.
Veronica
Watch and hear Veronica Elsea's Prayer for a Soldier at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFoIhWrBHFI
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
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Veronica Elsea, Owner
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Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407
On 8/23/2012 7:51 PM, Christopher-Mark gilland wrote:
OK, first of all:
When you first open Safari, you then immediately typed the U R L to a
web site. There's part of your issue.
You need to first always always always! hit command+L first to focus
yourself to the address bar. Then! type the address and hit return.
Second off, do you have Voiceover set to automatically interact with
html areas?
Let's take a quick look. Go into your voiceover utility with vo+F8.
Remember you may need to do fn+vo+F8, depending on your setup.
Vo+right arrow over to the categories table and then hit the letter W.
Don't worry, you don't even need to interact first. As long as you're
actually on the table itself, you should be then able to hit W to jump
to the web category.
OK, vo+right arrow two times, and you should hear page loading tab. If
it isn't already selected, go head and hit vo+space on it to do so.
OK, now vo+right arrow 4 times. You should hear a checkbox to move the
voiceover cursor when loaded. You need to be absolutely certain that
this box is indeed checked. If it's not, hit vo+space to check it.
OK, that should help but don't close the Vo Utility just quite yet. I
wanna lookat one more thing, just? in case.
go back up to the top of the window, and go to the categories table.
I'm gonna assume that from this point forward you are using either Lion,
or Mountain Lion. If you're on anything earlier, I E, Snow Leopard,
Leopard, or Tiger, God forbid!... then you're not gonna have this
option, so in that case, just hit command+W. You're done, otherwise
though keep on following my directions.
In the category list, again, make sure you're focused on it. You again
do not need to interact, just be sure you're on it first. Then, hit the
letter A, as in activities.
Once here vo+right arrow until you get to the activities table. Again,
no need to interact here. Just down arrow and if anything is in that
table, see if you have an activity for Safari. If not, then you're good
to go. Just hit command+W. If you do however, then read on.
So, if you're still reading, then that tells me, you actually did have a
Safari activity. Otherwise I'm expecting you read no further.
So, make sure Safari is selected in the table.
Vo+right arrow 12 times. You should get to a check box that says Web.
Is it checked? If not, then you're good to go. Just hit command+W. If
it is! checked however, then keep reading.
If checked then there should be a set button just to the right of the
checkbox. Vo+Space on it.
Now again, locate the page loading tab and select it, then make sure the
box to automatically move the Voiceover cursor is checked. Then go down
to the very bottom of the screen, and vo+Space on the OK button. Then,
finally command+W to close the Voiceover Utility.
Now, If Safari was running, command+Tab to it, if needed, then hit
command+Q to quit it. Now, reopen it. I know that sounds a little
silly. Why quit it then reopen it, but trust me. You're right, it's
probably not necessary to do, but I wanna cover all of our grounds just
in case.
OK, now hold it! Don't do anything! Don't start typing a U R L.
First, hit command+L.
Now, and only! now, type in your
hairyfox.com
Then hit return.
Wait a sec, and let the page load.
Now! vo around, and see what you get.
Did that work?
Another thing, too, you may want to do, is, In Safari itself, hit
command+Comma, to bring up the preferences, then find your toolbar and
interact with it. Vo+Space on general, then stop in
Re: ML .1 changed Mail again.
Okay everyone! Ummm, urr, uh, oops! Head down, tail between leggs, boy
do I feel stupid!
So, public appology oh Macbook air! I had been playing around in Safari
and forgot that I'd taken out my activity which I'd created. So, ahem,
guess who forgot to turn off Quick Nav? Umm, now I know what happens in
Mail when I make that silly mistake again. Sheesh! Guess it's time to
put that activity back, eh?
Sheesh! Can anyone think of a good reason not to have Quick Nav
automatically turn on when entering Safari? Thanks and please forgive
the stupid mistake.
Veronica
Watch and hear Veronica Elsea's Prayer for a Soldier at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFoIhWrBHFI
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
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Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407
On 8/23/2012 7:56 PM, Veronica Elsea wrote:
Okay, I'm going to go gray before this Macbook is done with me!
After playing with Safari, I just thought I'd restart and see what
happens. Then I thought I'd check my mail. Two things. Did anyone else
notice that the first time you go into Safari and the first time you
opened mail in 10.8.1, you heard that sound you get when sending mail or
opening up Mission control?
Anyway, after that, I went into Mail and boy does it look weird. I know
we've had zillions of discussions about preview panes and all of that
but I haven't see it look like this before. When mail opens, I'm usually
set to classic view, which I still am. I have preview pane gone. Usually
I come up in the messages table where I can up and down arrow through
messages. It comes in and says messages table, inbox, 135 of 136. Okay,
I'm sitting on message number 136. If I up arrow, I hear, horrizontal
splitter. If I down arrow, I hear horrizontal splitter. If I Vo-left
arrow to the mailboxes table, I can hear the current mailbox but none of
the rest of them. I can interact with the table, but then I can't easily
get to the list of messages where I used to be able to up and down arrow
without interacting, getting to hear all of the column information at
once. Does this mean that the preview pane is back? Guess I'm going to
have to keep those instructions set right by the computer if every time
the operating system gets a snack, preview is back. Sheesh!
Now let's see if I can hunt those instructions down. Good grief! Thanks
for any help.
Veronica
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Re: ML .1, first look.
Okay, did I speak too soon. I closed Safari. Then I opened again, typed
command-L and it said, html content has keyboard focus. But nothing
happened until I interacted. And here I thought I was sitting pretty.
Hmmm. I've tried with Quick Nav on and with it off, but this didn't seem
to have any impact. I double-checked in the Safari preferences window
and my change to set new tabs to home page was still in effect. Any
thoughts? Thanks so much.
Veronica
Watch and hear Veronica Elsea's Prayer for a Soldier at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFoIhWrBHFI
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407
On 8/23/2012 8:14 PM, Veronica Elsea wrote:
Hi Chris!
First, thanks for such a nice exact description. And in case anyone else
is following along, here's what solved it. I am using Mountain Lion,
latest update. My voiceOver cursor was in fact set correctly in the VO
utility. Here's what did make it work. Yes Chris, it was the set new tab
function in Safari. Who'd have thunk it! I just figured that things
would load faster if every new window didn't have to go to a page. Wow!
But in fact when I did set it to go to my home page, bingo! Safari began
interacting automatically. Boy this list sure earned its place in my
book! Thanks so much. It would have been quite awhile before I got
around to making that connection.
And I had in the past created an activity to automatically turn on Quick
Nav when I went into Safari, but kicked it out when I was trying to
figure out why VoiceOver thought I had extra apps running. Maybe I can
relax and put that back now.
Anyway, thanks again. Really really appreciated from here.
Veronica
Watch and hear Veronica Elsea's Prayer for a Soldier at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFoIhWrBHFI
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407
On 8/23/2012 7:51 PM, Christopher-Mark gilland wrote:
OK, first of all:
When you first open Safari, you then immediately typed the U R L to a
web site. There's part of your issue.
You need to first always always always! hit command+L first to focus
yourself to the address bar. Then! type the address and hit return.
Second off, do you have Voiceover set to automatically interact with
html areas?
Let's take a quick look. Go into your voiceover utility with vo+F8.
Remember you may need to do fn+vo+F8, depending on your setup.
Vo+right arrow over to the categories table and then hit the letter W.
Don't worry, you don't even need to interact first. As long as you're
actually on the table itself, you should be then able to hit W to jump
to the web category.
OK, vo+right arrow two times, and you should hear page loading tab. If
it isn't already selected, go head and hit vo+space on it to do so.
OK, now vo+right arrow 4 times. You should hear a checkbox to move the
voiceover cursor when loaded. You need to be absolutely certain that
this box is indeed checked. If it's not, hit vo+space to check it.
OK, that should help but don't close the Vo Utility just quite yet. I
wanna lookat one more thing, just? in case.
go back up to the top of the window, and go to the categories table.
I'm gonna assume that from this point forward you are using either Lion,
or Mountain Lion. If you're on anything earlier, I E, Snow Leopard,
Leopard, or Tiger, God forbid!... then you're not gonna have this
option, so in that case, just hit command+W. You're done, otherwise
though keep on following my directions.
In the category list, again, make sure you're focused on it. You again
do not need to interact, just be sure you're on it first. Then, hit the
letter A, as in activities.
Once here vo+right arrow until you get to the activities table. Again,
no need to interact here. Just down arrow and if anything is in that
table, see if you have an activity for Safari. If not, then you're good
to go. Just hit command+W. If you do however, then read on.
So, if you're still reading, then that tells me, you actually did have a
Safari activity. Otherwise I'm expecting you read no further.
So, make sure Safari is selected in the table.
Vo+right arrow 12 times. You should get to a check box that says Web.
Is it checked? If not, then you're good to go. Just hit command+W. If
it is! checked however, then keep reading.
If checked then there should be a set button just to the right of the
checkbox. Vo+Space on it.
Now again, locate the page loading tab and select it, then make sure the
box to automatically move the Voiceover cursor is checked. Then go down
to the very bottom of the screen, and
Re: ML .1, first look.
Hi Chris and everyone. Chris, when I type command-L, the next thing I do is to type in an address. Then it loads and says, html content and I must interact to get anything. It's just so weird that it worked once very nicely. And I have not had any experience at all with disk permissions or the repair utility. I'm going to toggle the new tab just for fun to see what happens. I'll go in and look at hiding the tab bar because I can't remember how that's set. Thanks so much, all of you, for batting this around with me. I really appreciate it. Veronica e Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing the Star-spangled Banner at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ Then find more music from The Guide Dog Glee Club and Veronica Elsea at http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California Phone: 831-429-6407 On Aug 23, 2012, at 8:40 PM, Christopher-Mark gilland wrote: Did you first type in an address then hit return after typing in the address? Before you hit command l did it take you to the html area? Do you know how to run a disk permissions and a disk verify/repair in disk utility? It honestly really might be worth trying as a very last resort. The only thing I am seeing that it seems a bit odd to me on is, why're you wanting to hit command+L then immediately try navigating? All command l does it takes you to the address bar. so, if you hit command+L, then before you'll be in the html content automatically, you need to first after hitting command+l type a web address, then hit return. If you just hit command+L then try moving without doing anything else first, then no, it's not! gonna take you to the html area automatically. Sorry, maybe I'm just slightly confused on exactly what your'e doing and how your command+L is connecting with this issue. As I said, if nothing else, might be worth running a disk permission verify/repair. I doubt that would have much baring, but it's probably what my next step would be. Here's something actually else to consider. Did you upgrade from a previous O S to ML, or did you do a clean install? If the former, then did you have this Safari activity for your quick nav set up in the previous O S before you upgraded? If so, then what might a happened is you may have part of the activity configuration from the previous OS lingerring around in addition to parts from ML, which of corse would make things conflict. If that's the case, I'm gonna suggest you try removing the activity entirely, then try to recreate it from scratch. Then! see if it works as expected, and actually, if you'd not done so already, I'd even go as far as to remove the activity, then even before! recreating it, see what it does if you then! with no activity intact, try it. This is, I agree, a bit perplexing. I'll do what I can, but short of that and running a disk permissions verify/repair, I'm sorry. I'm outta options striking out. Chris. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Really frustrated with Mail! For real this time!
Hi everyone! I can't believe this issue is back. I'm so not happy right now. When I first got this Macbook air, I was using pop mail. I had a ton of trouble sending mail. It would come up and tell me it couldn't use the current sender. Everything pointed to a bug in apple mail that they said they couldn't duplicate consistantly enough to fix. The fix was to change to imap. So I put the macbook awy till I learned about imap and made the switch. It worked great for awhile. And now tonight, it's back to not being able to send again. I actually had to save my last message in drafts and go to my windows computer in order to send it. I know it's not a problem with my provider or my settings because I went through this way too many times. How can I count on this thing for email use when I'm traveling if this old buggaboo is back? It makes me very sad in a way. Is anyone else here having this experience. Thanks a bunch. Veronica -- Watch and hear Veronica Elsea's Prayer for a Soldier at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFoIhWrBHFI Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California Phone: 831-429-6407 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: trying to update Flash player - problem solved
Well, I'm sure striking out trying to update flash player myself. I go
to adobesystems.com and find flash. It comes up to the point where I
find the download page and it shows the correct operating system. But
clicking the download link does nothing. I land on a page where I have
tried tabbing as well as just reading the page with VO and arrow keys.
It says that the download should have started automatically, but it
doesn't. Clicking the link for those who have trouble seems to get me
nothing but that stupid, did you get what you came for? I'd love to know
how the rest of you are getting it done. Thanks.
Veronica
Watch and hear Veronica Elsea's Prayer for a Soldier at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFoIhWrBHFI
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407
On 8/24/2012 9:24 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
Well, tried again, and this time it worked. Weird.
Cheers,
Donna
On Aug 24, 2012, at 10:44 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
Hi Rodney,
That was the first thing I tried, and it didn't work at all. thanks for the
suggestion, though.
Best,
Donna
On Aug 24, 2012, at 10:41 AM, Rodney Haynie wrote:
Donna, did you try the Tab button yet. This works for me.
HTH.
Rodney
On Aug 24, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
Hi all,
I'm trying to update Adobe flash player, but am having trouble getting the
mouse over to the Install button. Does anyone know if there's a way to route
the mouse to the item under keyboard focus? Lacking that option, anyone have
any other thoughts about how to accomplish this? I've tried moving the mouse
with the trackpad, but that hasn't worked well.
TIA,
Donna
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Re: Really frustrated with Mail! For real this time!
Yes, yes, yes I am certain of my settings. I save the message to drafts and use a windows computer to send with the same settings. Sometimes I reboot the Mac and then it sends. The Mac is inconsistant and has been all along. I went to one apple store when I was visiting someone in Kansas City and was told that they were noticing everyone from their local cable company having trouble so they just set everyone up with a G mail account. It's an apple problem, not mine. I have redone this account way too many times and will not do that any more because it's pointless. There's a bug somewhere and it's just frustrating because I can't count on it. It's a pain to have to reboot right in the midst of just sending a quick message. Like I said, frustrating! Veronica Watch and hear Veronica Elsea's Prayer for a Soldier at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFoIhWrBHFI Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California Phone: 831-429-6407 On 8/24/2012 9:57 AM, Steve Holmes wrote: Likewise, I have never had any issues sending messages from Mail in Lion or Mountain Lion. I use gmail with IMAP to receive and of course SMTP to send. The only thing I have ever experienced is I usually hear a swush sound when messages are being sent and sometimes, I'll do the send with Command-Shift-D and not hear the sound; makes me wonder if the message didn't get sent but yet no errors popped up either. I just chock those up to flukes or something. On 8/24/12, Alex Hall wrote: Are you certain of your settings? Sometimes, an isp will change port numbers or security settings and you may miss the memo, which can cause previous settings to stop working. I know this isn't quite the problem you are having, but it's all I can think of. Tripple check your pop and smtp ports, security, authentication, and even username settings (that is, does the username need to be just the first part of your address or the whole thing). Hope this helps somewhat. For what it's worth, I use gmail via imap and have no trouble at all. On 8/24/12, christopher hallsworth wrote: I can't say I am. I use Gmail via Pop. I also use my ISp's own e-mail service via Pop3. All are working great so far. This is under Lion. On 24 Aug 2012, at 05:11, Veronica Elsea wrote: Hi everyone! I can't believe this issue is back. I'm so not happy right now. When I first got this Macbook air, I was using pop mail. I had a ton of trouble sending mail. It would come up and tell me it couldn't use the current sender. Everything pointed to a bug in apple mail that they said they couldn't duplicate consistantly enough to fix. The fix was to change to imap. So I put the macbook awy till I learned about imap and made the switch. It worked great for awhile. And now tonight, it's back to not being able to send again. I actually had to save my last message in drafts and go to my windows computer in order to send it. I know it's not a problem with my provider or my settings because I went through this way too many times. How can I count on this thing for email use when I'm traveling if this old buggaboo is back? It makes me very sad in a way. Is anyone else here having this experience. Thanks a bunch. Veronica -- Watch and hear Veronica Elsea's Prayer for a Soldier at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFoIhWrBHFI Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California Phone: 831-429-6407 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from GMail website) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscr
Re: trying to update Flash player - problem solved
Thanks so much, Donna. I really appreciate this. I'm just having one of those days when I hate my Mac. Maybe now I can get past one bit of it. Thanks again. Veronica Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing the Star-spangled Banner at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ Then find more music from The Guide Dog Glee Club and Veronica Elsea at http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California Phone: 831-429-6407 On Aug 24, 2012, at 3:04 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > Hi Veronica. > > 1. go into System prefs. > 2. Press Tab to get to the Tabs list. > 3. Right arrow over to Other. > 4. If Flash is installed, it should show up there. Press Enter. > 5. In the Flash Tab, you'll see the option Check for Updates. Press Enter. > 6. I think it's at this point that you'll see the Flash installation > manager. Use Tab to navigate around, and activate the Install option with > the Spacebar. > 7. You'll then need to accept the license agreement, and click install again. > HTH, > Donna > On Aug 24, 2012, at 12:45 PM, Veronica Elsea > wrote: > >> Well, I'm sure striking out trying to update flash player myself. I go to >> adobesystems.com and find flash. It comes up to the point where I find the >> download page and it shows the correct operating system. But clicking the >> download link does nothing. I land on a page where I have tried tabbing as >> well as just reading the page with VO and arrow keys. It says that the >> download should have started automatically, but it doesn't. Clicking the >> link for those who have trouble seems to get me nothing but that stupid, did >> you get what you came for? I'd love to know how the rest of you are getting >> it done. Thanks. >> >> Veronica >> >> >> Watch and hear Veronica Elsea's Prayer for a Soldier at >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFoIhWrBHFI >> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: >> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com >> Veronica Elsea, Owner >> Laurel Creek Music Designs >> Santa Cruz, California >> Phone: 831-429-6407 >> >> >> On 8/24/2012 9:24 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>> Well, tried again, and this time it worked. Weird. >>> Cheers, >>> Donna >>> On Aug 24, 2012, at 10:44 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Rodney, >>>> >>>> That was the first thing I tried, and it didn't work at all. thanks for >>>> the suggestion, though. >>>> Best, >>>> Donna >>>> On Aug 24, 2012, at 10:41 AM, Rodney Haynie >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Donna, did you try the Tab button yet. This works for me. >>>>> >>>>> HTH. >>>>> Rodney >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 24, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm trying to update Adobe flash player, but am having trouble getting >>>>>> the mouse over to the Install button. Does anyone know if there's a way >>>>>> to route the mouse to the item under keyboard focus? Lacking that >>>>>> option, anyone have any other thoughts about how to accomplish this? >>>>>> I've tried moving the mouse with the trackpad, but that hasn't worked >>>>>> well. >>>>>> TIA, >>>>>> Donna >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://g
Re: ML .1, first look.
Wow! Amazing! This sure worked. I could kick myself for not thinking of that one. Sheesh! Thanks for helping to save my sanity. Veronica Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing the Star-spangled Banner at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ Then find more music from The Guide Dog Glee Club and Veronica Elsea at http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California Phone: 831-429-6407 On Aug 24, 2012, at 3:15 PM, Brian Fischler wrote: > Veronica, I think I was having the same problem. When I would load a > new tab in safari it would first want me to interact with the html > content instead of going directly into interacting with the page. This > has happened to me several times, and I have spoken to Apple about it, > but I also figured out how to fix it, and you will not believe what > did it. Turn VO off with a Command F5 then toggle it back on with > Command F5, now go back to safari and see if when you load a new tab > if it will start interacting with the html content instead of you > having to first hit VO shift down arrow to interact. Hope this solves > it, let us know. This seems to happen to me a few times a week > > On Aug 23, 7:46 pm, Veronica Elsea > wrote: >> Hi everyone! >> Okay, I too was surprised by how my update went. I expected more of a >> download event. In any case, it was easy and I do in fact now have >> 10.8.1 on my system. The first thing I did was to try Safari. It seems the >> same, unfortunately. It still comes up on the tool bar and doesn't seem to >> automatically interact with html content like Lion did. Hmmm. If there isn't >> some little thing I'm doing wrong, bummer! I so want Safari to be smooth and >> sensible again. >> I look forward to hearing from the rest of you on this one. Thanks. >> >> Veronica >> >> Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing the Star-spangled Banner >> athttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ >> Then find more music from The Guide Dog Glee Club and Veronica Elsea >> athttp://www.laurelcreekmusic.com >> Veronica Elsea, Owner >> Laurel Creek Music Designs >> Santa Cruz, California >> Phone: 831-429-6407 > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Mail not always announcing unread messages properly.
Hi everyone! Since the update, I've noticed that when arrowing through messages in any of my mailboxes, Vo says unread on some of them, but not all of them. This is a completely new issue for me. Until yesterday, that was one of the real nice things about checking email on my Macbook, having the columns accurately read, unread, from, etc. I'm using Mountain Lion, set to classic view, preview pane offf, not using conversation threading. Are any of you experiencing this? Any suggestions? Thanks so much. Veronica Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing the Star-spangled Banner at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ Then find more music from The Guide Dog Glee Club and Veronica Elsea at http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California Phone: 831-429-6407 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: ML .1, first look.
Oh man! Well, just like last night's little trial, this one works once. If I want to use Safari without having to interact myself again, it's reboot time. So, reboot every internet session. Reboot every mail session. I tell you, I'm about ready to toss this Mackbook inAir our neighborhood yard sale. I'm trying to believe that the rest of you do serious and interesting things with your Macs, but this one is just driving me crazy. I don't know how to completely wipe the system on a Macbook air and do a clean install, as I have no external disks yet. I'm sure there's something I could do with a USB something, but I wish I could believe that this would sort me out. Till then, I'll head into my studio and play with my old system 9 Mac and my Windows 7 computer. Sheesh! Maybe I'll see if there's really someone at one of the bay area apple stores who might know something about VO like they claim. Anyway, thanks for listening. I really want this thing to work out, I really do. But I'm not impressed at the moment. Veronica Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing the Star-spangled Banner at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ Then find more music from The Guide Dog Glee Club and Veronica Elsea at http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California Phone: 831-429-6407 On Aug 24, 2012, at 6:47 PM, Brian Fischler wrote: > Glad I could help Veronica. It was driving me nuts to having to > interact with pages before getting to the content, couldn't believe > when I discovered toggling VO off and on fixed it. Talk about a Bug > > On Aug 23, 8:59 pm, Alex Hall wrote: >> Safari works fine for me, always interacting with the html content. >> That's very odd... >> >> On 8/23/12, Kliphton wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> That's why the mac side of things that is the only thing I don't use. I >>> still use IE, especially when I am surching for something. I will use >>> safari when it is a quick look, or just needing to buy something from >>> amazon, but when it's gonna be a long session, IE it is. I would also like >>> to get firmilure with numbers, but no one seems to have tutorials or >>> podcasts for it. So guess I am on my own. >>> (Marriage Blog)http://christledmarriage.wordpress.com >> >>> (Marriage group)http://groups.yahoo.com/group/committed-married-christians >> >>> http://facebook.com/CCMarriage >> >>> http://twitter.com/MarrigeMinistry >> >>> On Aug 23, 2012, at 6:46 PM, Veronica Elsea >>> wrote: >> >>>> Hi everyone! >>>> Okay, I too was surprised by how my update went. I expected more of a >>>> download event. In any case, it was easy and I do in fact now have >>>> 10.8.1 on my system. The first thing I did was to try Safari. It seems the >>>> same, unfortunately. It still comes up on the tool bar and doesn't seem to >>>> automatically interact with html content like Lion did. Hmmm. If there >>>> isn't some little thing I'm doing wrong, bummer! I so want Safari to be >>>> smooth and sensible again. >>>> I look forward to hearing from the rest of you on this one. Thanks. >> >>>> Veronica >> >>>> Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing the Star-spangled Banner at >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ >>>> Then find more music from The Guide Dog Glee Club and Veronica Elsea at >>>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com >>>> Veronica Elsea, Owner >>>> Laurel Creek Music Designs >>>> Santa Cruz, California >>>> Phone: 831-429-6407 >> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> htt
Re: Really frustrated with Mail! For real this time!
Hi Frank and everyone! Thanks for the suggestion. I've just gone in and made the change of the custom port number so I'll watch for awhile to see what happens. Now if only that would make it read the unread label on my messages again. Hahahahaha! Thanks so much for the help. Veronica Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing the Star-spangled Banner at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ Then find more music from The Guide Dog Glee Club and Veronica Elsea at http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California Phone: 831-429-6407 On Aug 25, 2012, at 6:11 AM, Frank Carmickle wrote: > Hi Veronica > > I would try changing the ports selection from trying 25 465 and 587 to just > use 587. If you go to the accounts tab then the accounts information tab. > Select the edit smtp server option from the outgoing mailserver pop up. > Select the button that says custom port and pop the number in the edit box. > Make sure you have the use ssl checked. > > I would also try changing the authentication method if that doesn't work. > Most folks are using password. Some will use m5 challenge response. > > Let me know if that helps. If you have any more trouble I don't mind giving > you a call. I have your number around here somewhere. > > I've never had this be such a problem that I couldn't make it work. > > Best > --FC > > On Aug 24, 2012, at 1:53 PM, Veronica Elsea wrote: > >> Yes, yes, yes I am certain of my settings. I save the message to drafts and >> use a windows computer to send with the same settings. Sometimes I reboot >> the Mac and then it sends. The Mac is inconsistant and has been all along. I >> went to one apple store when I was visiting someone in Kansas City and was >> told that they were noticing everyone from their local cable company having >> trouble so they just set everyone up with a G mail account. It's an apple >> problem, not mine. I have redone this account way too many times and will >> not do that any more because it's pointless. There's a bug somewhere and >> it's just frustrating because I can't count on it. It's a pain to have to >> reboot right in the midst of just sending a quick message. Like I said, >> frustrating! >> >> Veronica >> >> >> Watch and hear Veronica Elsea's Prayer for a Soldier at >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFoIhWrBHFI >> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: >> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com >> Veronica Elsea, Owner >> Laurel Creek Music Designs >> Santa Cruz, California >> Phone: 831-429-6407 >> >> >> On 8/24/2012 9:57 AM, Steve Holmes wrote: >>> Likewise, I have never had any issues sending messages from Mail in >>> Lion or Mountain Lion. I use gmail with IMAP to receive and of course >>> SMTP to send. The only thing I have ever experienced is I usually >>> hear a swush sound when messages are being sent and sometimes, I'll do >>> the send with Command-Shift-D and not hear the sound; makes me wonder >>> if the message didn't get sent but yet no errors popped up either. I >>> just chock those up to flukes or something. >>> >>> On 8/24/12, Alex Hall wrote: >>>> Are you certain of your settings? Sometimes, an isp will change port >>>> numbers or security settings and you may miss the memo, which can >>>> cause previous settings to stop working. I know this isn't quite the >>>> problem you are having, but it's all I can think of. Tripple check >>>> your pop and smtp ports, security, authentication, and even username >>>> settings (that is, does the username need to be just the first part of >>>> your address or the whole thing). Hope this helps somewhat. For what >>>> it's worth, I use gmail via imap and have no trouble at all. >>>> >>>> On 8/24/12, christopher hallsworth wrote: >>>>> I can't say I am. I use Gmail via Pop. I also use my ISp's own e-mail >>>>> service via Pop3. All are working great so far. This is under Lion. >>>>> On 24 Aug 2012, at 05:11, Veronica Elsea wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi everyone! >>>>>> I can't believe this issue is back. I'm so not happy right now. When I >>>>>> first got this Macbook air, I was using pop mail. I had a ton of trouble >>>>>> sending mail. It would come up and tell me it couldn't use the current >>>
Re: using multiple signatures in mail?
Yes, this one caught me for awhile too. Silly me, thought that an all
signatures area meant that they could be used with all accounts. I was
however, able to at least use copy and paste when getting the signature
placed in the table for my main account. Once they're added to the
proper account table, then they should show up in the signatures popup
button. Hope that made sense.
Veronica
Watch and hear Veronica Elsea's Prayer for a Soldier at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFoIhWrBHFI
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407
On 8/25/2012 6:40 PM, Kirsten Edmondson wrote:
Hi Alex,
This is going to sound a bit daft, but I'm only going on what happened
to me last week, when I tried to create several signatures.
You need to make sure that your signatures are in the all signature
section… However, that does not mean they are useful in your account…
You really need to make sure that your signatures are in the box which
has the same name as your account… Four example, Gmail. Until they are
there, they will not be available for your email to use. I don't know
why this is. But that does seem to be how it works. Unfortunately, there
doesn't seem to be any way of transferring them from the all signatures
box to your account box, I had to rewrite them all out again. Which was
a bit irritating. But at least once it was done, they were there
for definite.
I'm not sure how to help with your other problem however, sorry.
I hope this does help solve your first issue though.
Kirsten
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On 26 Aug 2012, at 02:29, Alex Hall mailto:mehg...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi all,
I set up a second signature, figuring I could use the popup button to
select which one I want. However, all I see is my first signature, and
two options, none or edit. Why is my second signature not showing up?
Also, even in my first one, why does my email address show up twice? I
have removed it from the signature in mail preferences, but it comes
back, as you can see below. What am I missing here? Thanks.
Have a great day,
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Re: using multiple signatures in mail?
Good question, Alex. It does seem silly just to in effect have a storage
place for signatures that one can then drag into the appropriate
account. It would be nice if they'd call that field something that gave
the answer away.
In any case, glad it worked.
Veronica
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Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
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On 8/25/2012 7:06 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
Thanks, that seems to have done it. I wonder what the all signatures
option is for then?
On Aug 25, 2012, at 9:51 PM, Veronica Elsea
mailto:veron...@laurelcreekmusic.com>>
wrote:
Yes, this one caught me for awhile too. Silly me, thought that an all
signatures area meant that they could be used with all accounts. I was
however, able to at least use copy and paste when getting the
signature placed in the table for my main account. Once they're added
to the proper account table, then they should show up in the
signatures popup button. Hope that made sense.
Veronica
Watch and hear Veronica Elsea's Prayer for a Soldier at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFoIhWrBHFI
Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407
On 8/25/2012 6:40 PM, Kirsten Edmondson wrote:
Hi Alex,
This is going to sound a bit daft, but I'm only going on what happened
to me last week, when I tried to create several signatures.
You need to make sure that your signatures are in the all signature
section… However, that does not mean they are useful in your account…
You really need to make sure that your signatures are in the box which
has the same name as your account… Four example, Gmail. Until they are
there, they will not be available for your email to use. I don't know
why this is. But that does seem to be how it works. Unfortunately, there
doesn't seem to be any way of transferring them from the all signatures
box to your account box, I had to rewrite them all out again. Which was
a bit irritating. But at least once it was done, they were there
for definite.
I'm not sure how to help with your other problem however, sorry.
I hope this does help solve your first issue though.
Kirsten
Sent from my iPhone
On 26 Aug 2012, at 02:29, Alex Hall mailto:mehg...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi all,
I set up a second signature, figuring I could use the popup button to
select which one I want. However, all I see is my first signature, and
two options, none or edit. Why is my second signature not showing up?
Also, even in my first one, why does my email address show up twice? I
have removed it from the signature in mail preferences, but it comes
back, as you can see below. What am I missing here? Thanks.
Have a great day,
Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
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Re: Another problem with mail.
Kawal, I was really hoping that this would get fixed in the newest
update. I noticed this problem starting with Mountain Lion. The weird
thing is that today I noticed that after checking my mail on my Macbook,
when I looked at it again in Thunderbird on my windows machine, it was
also marked as read. So I can't figure out whether this is a mail
problem, improperly marking messages, or whether this is a VoiceOver
problem, not reading the status correctly. If anyone has figured this
out, I'd sure appreciate the info so I could report this accurately to
Apple. It makes reading the mail not very pleasant any more, for sure.
Thanks for bringing this up here.
Veronica
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Phone: 831-429-6407
On 9/20/2012 3:22 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
Looks as if I have lots of problems with mail. If this subject has been
discussed before please excuse me.
When I go up and down all the e-mails without opening them, I notice that even
though the mails have not been opened, It is as if I have read the mails even
though this is not the case. If any one has reported this to Apple please let
me know as I don't want to send the same again if they know about the problem.
Thanks.
Kawal.
p.s. God I prefer reading mail on the I phone although god knows if that will
be the case in IOS six. May be I'll be sending raving mails once I've tried and
I don't like it. Or I might like the experience even more and never read my
mail on the mac again. I'm just speculating so I don't finish reading my
thousand and thousands of messages.
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Re: When might we expect a Voiceover Improvement in 10.8
The thing that disappoints me is that VoiceOver still doesn't
automatically interact with html content when loading a web page like it
did in Lion. It just doesn't feel as nice and seamless as it used to
feel. I'll keep writing to apple but man, it would seem like the
simplest of tries with VoiceOver by the development staff would show
this. Bummer!
Veronica
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On 9/20/2012 8:44 PM, Phil Halton wrote:
It came off pretty darn sarcastic to my ears as well Ray.
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*Subject:* Re: When might we expect a Voiceover Improvement in 10.8
Brian, now look, I do understand your frustrations; but, frankly,
your personal attack upon me is entirely unwarranted. I was truly
only trying to help. Perhaps you're just having a sucky day; I
don't know. We're all subject to those days now and again; but, if
you are going to bite a hand that's only trying to give helpful
advice, then, my friend, perhaps it's high time you stepped away
from your computer for a bit and did something else to cool off.
Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
Skype name:
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On Sep 20, 2012, at 4:43 PM, Brian Fischler mailto:blindga...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Typical of this list, some guy like this Ray offering a useless
response to my constructive criticism. Anytime you say anything
negative even like I did in a professional way, you get a guy like
this Ray not adding to the conversation. I don't think I am out of
line expecting improvements to Voiceover, I just voiced my opinion,
and here comes this Ray right off the bat. I guess you are only
allowed to praise Apple on this board. Ray, I would love to be a
developer and help Apple in anyway that I can, unfortunately, I have a
very limited knowledge when it comes to programming and what I am sure
is some very advanced design work.
On Sep 20, 4:46 pm, Brian Fischler http://gmail.com>> wrote:
I know that we are not Apple's main focus group, but two updates to
10.8 and still not one improvement to Voiceover? There are some
pretty
basic fixable things, that I am very disappointed that Apple has not
addressed in either update. And before I get blasted for posting
anything negative on this board about Apple, yes, I have emailed
Apple
Accessibility, and yes, I have used a Mac for a long time. The one
primary thing that seems like a quick fix would be getting Web spots
to work properly in safari. I am still stunned that you have to now
click VO command right bracket to go left or up a page, and VO
command
left bracket to go right or down a page. Anyone with the
slightest bit
of logic would have realized that this is reversed.
Numbers is still very difficult to use if you have a big spreadsheet
as there is no way to search for a certain cell in a large document.
While the command to do this in Lion was bizarre at least it worked
most of the time. Calling Apple Accessibility, I find it hilarious
that the people at the specialized Voiceover department know nothing
about numbers, and the numbers department know nothing about
Voiceover. Pretty hilarious.
QuickNav is still unbelievably buggy. Several times a day QuickNav
just stops working, and I have to toggle VO off and on to get it to
start working again.
Just wanted to name a few and mention it would be nice to
actually see
a Voiceover improvement in an update to the operating system.
Otherwise, what is the point of me taking the time to contact Apple
Accessibility. They have gotten back to me every time which is very
nice of them, but lets start getting some of these issues
implemented.
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Is it just me?
Hi everyone! I don't know, but somehow I've just hit a real low since upgrading my Macbook to 10.8.2 and my iphone to Ios 6. On the Macbook air, for the moment I'm primarily interested in doing some email and web surfing. And now the bit about things not interacting properly just makes it feel extra clunky. The email no longer identifying unread messages makes it hard to find things I'm looking for. Every update just seems to get a bit less slick than the previous one. With IOS 6 on my iphone 4S, horrible! First, the sound. They've obviously increased the highs and I can't stand to talk to someone on a Face time call now. The interaction between VoiceOver and other sounds is a mess. I've stopped playing Hanging with Friends because the sounds I'm used to hearing are not there and things are so sluggish. In my prowling around, I've found articles about interapp audio, but don't know if there's a relationship here. But I'm beginning to think there's something different about multi-block threading or something. But the way application priorities are set just may be messing up those of us with VoiceOver. I also wonder if they have EQ'd sound for the new iphone or something, but this is not good. Like I said, today for some reason I'm kind of feeling like stuffing these two devices in my closet. I'm a bit done with seeing devices junked up with a bunch of stuff I don't want and getting poorer quality on the things I do. I am going to send in a report about VoiceOver and Safari, again because one would think that a developer would notice this and someone would try and figure out the problem. It did work in Lion, after all. Same with the unread status in mail. Anyway, going to take a break and do something else for awhile. But I will be sending feedback to Apple. Thanks for letting me spout off here. Much appreciated. Thanks. Veronica -- Watch and hear Veronica Elsea's Prayer for a Soldier at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFoIhWrBHFI Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California Phone: 831-429-6407 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: removing preview pane
Just one slight addition here. Make sure that you double-click the trackpad or else nothing will happen. When I did it, VO didn't have anything to say, but when you do VO left or right arrow, it will say different things than what you'd heard previously. And it turns out that I had disabled the preview pane, but it came back with the most recent update. So upon repeating these actions, surprise! VO began announcing the unread status of messages properly again. yay! Hope this helps. Veronica Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing the Star-spangled Banner at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ Then find more music from The Guide Dog Glee Club and Veronica Elsea at http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California Phone: 831-429-6407 On Sep 23, 2012, at 9:39 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: > Hello Max, > > To get rid of the Preview pane in Mail, position yourself on the horizontal > splitter between the message headers and the body, bring the mouse > (VO-Cmd-F5), then do a physical mouse click with the trackpad, mouse, or > number 5 if you have Numpad Commander enabled. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
