Re: How Do You Mute the Chat In A Zoom Meeting

[Ryan Mann]

I think you can go into VoiceOver Utility and assign a key stroke to it.  I 
just looked in the voiceOver commands help and there does not seem to be a key 
stroke assigned by default.


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> Thank you!  Is there a way to do this with a keyboard?  I don't have a track 
> pad and at least some of the time I would like to use the computer rather 
> than the phone.
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Re: How Do You Mute the Chat In A Zoom Meeting

[Ryan Mann]

Command F5 totally turns off VoiceOver, but I guess that would work to.

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> On Apr 15, 2020, at 11:28 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> I think it's command-f5
> 
>> On Apr 15, 2020, at 10:14 PM, Joy Cyr  wrote:
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>> Thank you!  Is there a way to do this with a keyboard?  I don't have a track 
>> pad and at least some of the time I would like to use the computer rather 
>> than the phone.
>> Joy
>> 
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Re: Orbit Reader 20 Plus

[Ryan Mann]

I got this Orbit 20 a few weeks ago.  I've been using it with my iPhone and it 
has been working pretty well.  I just got the original instead of the plus.  I 
didn't feel like I needed the alarm and calculator.  The calculator I can just 
ask SIRI the answers I need for math  problems.  The alarm I understand doesn't 
make any sound so it wouldn't be of any use since I use alarms to wake up on 
time and SIRI does that just fine.  

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> Has anyone  on this list had any experience with this Braille display? Any 
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Re: Moderator Note - The Next Generation of VIPhone

[Ryan Mann]

have you considered moving over to groups. Io instead of using Google?

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> On Jan 27, 2022, at 11:44 AM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
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> Hi Michael,
> 
> Neither do we!
> 
> As I said, neither Mark nor I had gotten any notice whatsoever from Google. 
> Even before I’d had a chance to look at the group that day, listers sent Mark 
> and I notes letting us know that the group had been banned from Google and 
> that they could not access it.
> 
> Even I could not access the group from the My Groups page on Google. I 
> actually needed to search the web for VIPhone and then saw the banned Content 
> notice that everyone else did.
> 
> Fortunately, as group owners, Mark and I were given a button which allowed us 
> to proceed to the standard VIPhone page so we could at least try to figure 
> out what messages Google did not like and request a manual review of the list.
> 
> 
> Google has still not reached out in any way, to either Mark or myself to 
> offer us any kind of information at all or to let us know if they’ve begun 
> any kind of review.
> 
> So we are as much in the dark on this as you all are.
> 
> I wish I could say more but I have no more to say! lol! it’s just crazy!
> 
> I’ll definitely keep you all up to date as soon as I know any more.
> 
> For now though, let’s all make the new group as much a home as the original. 
> I’m certainly going to! :)
> 
> thanks so much, Michael for your note and please, everyone have a terrific 
> day / evening!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
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>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 6:33 PM, Michael Marshall  
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>> What exactly is googles problem? have they actually earmarked anything that 
>> could be potentially harmful? I just don't get this.
>> 
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>>> 
>>> Mark and I have started VIPhone, The Next Generation. :)
>>> 
>>> For now at least, this list will pick up where VIPhone left off. At least 
>>> until Google decides to review us. -Then we’ll see what happens from there.
>>> 
>>> Over the next few days, Mark and I will be inviting all of the original 
>>> members of VIPhone. So if you wish, you need only wait for your invitation. 
>>> This will take a few days because we are limited in the amount of invites 
>>> we can send out each day.
>>> 
>>> For those who would rather request a group subscription directly, here is 
>>> the link to the group page.
>>> 
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/viphone2
>>> 
>>> I know this is not the smoothest solution, but we’re a great group of 
>>> people and we will adapt! :) -And maybe even make this a better list than 
>>> what we had. You never know! :) -Either way, let’s all enjoy the new list!
>>> 
>>> Thanks very much to you all for your patience and please let me wish you 
>>> all a lovely day / evening, wherever you may be!
>>> 
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Re: To Joseph Hodge, video on loading iPhone apps onto the new Macs?

[Ryan Mann]

Just to clarify, you can still run iPad apps if they are in the App Store, but 
if the developer does not support it, that is what Apple stopped.


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> On Jan 19, 2021, at 10:50 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Not to mention that the ability to run iPhone apps on the new Macs was one 
> of the most touted features of the October event. I have a 10:00 meeting, but 
> after that, I'm going to Apple's feedback site and going to give them an 
> earful.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jan 19, 2021, at 9:42 AM, joseph hodge  wrote:
>> 
>> I am currently looking in to another way that someone reported on but not 
>> having much luck getting passed the Apple servers. Agreed Apples micro 
>> managing is starting to piss me off a bit. They knew people were going to do 
>> this exact thing, but yet they shipped it off allowing for you to be able to 
>> side load. They should have shut it off from the start. My guess is one of 
>> the big tech companies complained so we now got what we got.
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
 On Jan 19, 2021, at 10:20 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
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>>> Wow! That's lousy. In fact, it probably just cost them the sale of one new 
>>> Mac. That was one of the primary attractions for me of upgrading. Without 
>>> that, I think I'll just stick with my 2017 MBP.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the info, Joseph.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jan 19, 2021, at 8:44 AM, joseph hodge  wrote:
 
 Hi Donna,
 
 Well Apple actually removed the ability to do this last week 
 unfortunately. If you had done it your apps stay so I still have Bard 
 Mobile but they blocked any new ways to do this with Amazing. Sorry the 
 recording is irrelevant now since they blocked it on the server side. See 
 this article.
 
 https://9to5mac.com/2021/01/15/apple-blocks-m1-mac-iphone-app-side-loading/
 It’s a real shame as Bard Mobile on the Mac is great and I guess I have it 
 until I have to reformat.
 
 Joe
> On Jan 19, 2021, at 9:05 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Hi Joseph,
> 
> Before the holidays, you posted a video demoing how to load iPhone apps 
> on the new Macs. It took me a while to go view it, and by the time I did, 
> I received a message saying that the link was no longer valid. Could you 
> either re-post, or send to me privately at doniado...@me.com?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: To Joseph Hodge, video on loading iPhone apps onto the new Macs?

[Ryan Mann]

I agree.  Sometimes when a client is getting a new computer, they ask me if 
they should get a Mac or PC.  Listening to BARD books right on their computer 
could have been a selling point.


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> On Jan 19, 2021, at 10:41 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Yeah, but they shouldn't have stopped it.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jan 19, 2021, at 9:26 PM, Ryan Mann  wrote:
>> 
>> Just to clarify, you can still run iPad apps if they are in the App Store, 
>> but if the developer does not support it, that is what Apple stopped.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jan 19, 2021, at 10:50 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Not to mention that the ability to run iPhone apps on the new Macs was one 
>>> of the most touted features of the October event. I have a 10:00 meeting, 
>>> but after that, I'm going to Apple's feedback site and going to give them 
>>> an earful.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 19, 2021, at 9:42 AM, joseph hodge  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I am currently looking in to another way that someone reported on but not 
>>>> having much luck getting passed the Apple servers. Agreed Apples micro 
>>>> managing is starting to piss me off a bit. They knew people were going to 
>>>> do this exact thing, but yet they shipped it off allowing for you to be 
>>>> able to side load. They should have shut it off from the start. My guess 
>>>> is one of the big tech companies complained so we now got what we got.
>>>> 
>>>> Joe
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 19, 2021, at 10:20 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Wow! That's lousy. In fact, it probably just cost them the sale of one 
>>>>> new Mac. That was one of the primary attractions for me of upgrading. 
>>>>> Without that, I think I'll just stick with my 2017 MBP.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for the info, Joseph.
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Donna
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 19, 2021, at 8:44 AM, joseph hodge  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Donna,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Well Apple actually removed the ability to do this last week 
>>>>>> unfortunately. If you had done it your apps stay so I still have Bard 
>>>>>> Mobile but they blocked any new ways to do this with Amazing. Sorry the 
>>>>>> recording is irrelevant now since they blocked it on the server side. 
>>>>>> See this article.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> https://9to5mac.com/2021/01/15/apple-blocks-m1-mac-iphone-app-side-loading/
>>>>>> It’s a real shame as Bard Mobile on the Mac is great and I guess I have 
>>>>>> it until I have to reformat.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>> On Jan 19, 2021, at 9:05 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi Joseph,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Before the holidays, you posted a video demoing how to load iPhone apps 
>>>>>>> on the new Macs. It took me a while to go view it, and by the time I 
>>>>>>> did, I received a message saying that the link was no longer valid. 
>>>>>>> Could you either re-post, or send to me privately at doniado...@me.com?
>>>>>>> TIA,
>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Microsoft Excel on IOS.

[Ryan Mann]

Are you subscribed to Microsoft 365?  I believe you need a Microsoft 365 
subscription to be able to edit Excel and Word files on IOS.  With that being 
said, I don’t think Excel is as accessible on IOS.  Numbers can open Excel 
files.  Maybe you could use that instead.


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> Ok, I’m barely new to Microsoft Excel in general, and have just now learned 
> how to use it on my Mac, and found the templet my supervisor created for our 
> team to use really smooth and easy to work with.  However, trying to open and 
> use it on IOS, which I was really hoping to be able to do, sense my goal is 
> to test/audit desktop/mobile versions of a site for accessibility using that 
> same spreadsheet.  However, opening it in IOS has currently resulted in it 
> displaying as a read only file, columns not displaying properly, and the 
> entire F row, which on the desktop side displays the list of guidelines as a 
> dropdown menu I can access with no issues, not displaying at all.
>  Does anyone know if there’s a workaround for this, or is Excel for IOS not 
> as accessible as on the Mac?
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Re: Microsoft outlook on the Mac

[Ryan Mann]

What is the advantage of using Outlook instead of the Mail app?


> On Jul 4, 2020, at 2:09 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I checked things out on my Outlook, and you can use a hot spot safely for the 
> contacts window. Therefore, there should be no need to create a script for 
> this.
> 1. Create a new message.
> 2. Wait for VoiceOver to say Outlook has a new window.
> 3.. Bring up window chooser with VO-F2 F2 and select the contacts window.
> 4. Move VO backwards to always present text (contacts and recent address or 
> something similar.
> 5. Press VO-Shift and a number key. VO will say Saved as Hot Spot number.
> A. The next time you need to review the list of completions press VO-Number 
> and VoiceOver will read the first completion available.
> 
> Note, I use the insider build of Outlook, but this should work on production 
> versions too.
>  
> I will get into the feedback center and post something on Monday asking that 
> up/down commands while in an address field be sent to the contacts window if 
> open. If anybody has suggestions on wording in the meantime, I will gladly 
> accept.
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 3, 2020, at 3:54 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Also, once the new window is presented, you can often simply press the tab 
>> key from within the text entry field to complete the name and email address. 
>> I assume it takes the first entry that matches the partially typed name or 
>> address. Very often, this is exactly what I want, so it’s a quick operation.
>> 
>>> On Jun 30, 2020, at 23:21, Jonathan Cohn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> The name completion for Outlook uses a separate window, the window is  
>>> accessible, but might vanish if you use command-accent to sswitch to it, 
>>> not sure because I stopped trying several versions ago. What I do, is type 
>>> the first few characters of who I am sending the message to wait a second 
>>> for VoiceOver to say Outlook has a new window. I then bring up a window 
>>> list numpad-/ if you are using numpad commander, twofinger tab on right of 
>>> touch pad if using touchpad commander, or VO-F2 twice. You can then type in 
>>> “co” and will find the only selection is contacts. select that and in this 
>>> window is a list of completions.
>>> If you beg me to, I could look to see if a AppleScript could make this 
>>> easier. 
>>> Jonathan
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 30, 2020, at 5:04 PM, 'Nancy Badger' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 hi everyone,
 I have been partially sighted for the past several years. I have to switch 
 to complete voice over now because of a surgery I cannot see at all. I am 
 using voice over with Microsoft outlook on the Mac. When I type a name 
 into the two column, I can’t figure out how to get to the options. In 
 other words if I type an email to Doe and I want to click on John Doe, how 
 do I do that using voiceover? Also if anyone has a list of keyboard 
 commands for Microsoft outlook I would be very appreciative.
 Thanks so much!
 Nancy
 
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 Old Dominion University
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Re: Full Keyboard in iOS 14

[Ryan Mann]

With VoiceOver, you can already control your phone with a Bluetooth keyboard.  
This option just benefits people who don’t use VoiceOver, correct?

Get Outlook for iOS

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behalf of Danny Keys 
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 1:23:39 PM
To: Mac Visionaries 
Subject: Full Keyboard in iOS 14

Hi list,
Has anyone used the full keyboard option for Bluetooth keyboards? If so, how 
did you like or not like it?
I was trying to use it, but discovered that it kind of confuses the touch 
screen.
Any thoughts.



Danny Keys


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Re: The Psychology of technology

[Ryan Mann]

IPad as laptop replacement?  I guess it depends on how you define a laptop.  
Xcode, Apple’s development environment is not available on an iPad, but it is 
available on a Mac.  Since I use Xcode, I couldn’t replace my Mac with an iPad. 
 If you have a laptop that you just use for simple things such as email, 
reading books and web browsing, I guess you could replace your laptop with an 
iPad.  I could see replacing one of those expensive blindness note takers with 
an iPad and an affordable Braille display such as an Orbit.

Get Outlook for iOS

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2020 6:31:23 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: The Psychology of technology

Hi Tracy,

I totally get the cute factor. Back in the 90s, when I got my first dial-up 
modem, my husband and I were in the local computer store. We found this cute, 
tiny modem, and in the middle of the store full of male computer nerds, I cried 
out, "Oh, it's so cute!" My husband was mortified. lol

I still get a kick out of being able to cary around so many books with me, 
either on my braille display or my i-device. I remember going on vacation as a 
kid and being able to take only one book, because by the time we put four 
braille volumes in the car, that was all the room there was. It makes me so 
happy to know I can now have as many books as I want, wherever I go.

And I think you are on to something with the combination of keyboard and touch. 
I do like that when I want to move quickly to a different part of the screen, I 
have the option to just reach out and tap it.

And yeah. When I think about giving up my laptop, and just having an MBA, I 
hate the thought of opening up my mail, and seeing work email before I'm even a 
quarter of the way through my first cup of coffee. It is nice having two 
devices.

So, shiny toy syndrome or not, I think I've decided to upgrade one device this 
year, and one next. So now the question is ... which one to upgrade first! 🤣
Cheers,
Donna


> On Dec 10, 2020, at 10:41 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>
> Shiny new toy syndrome, I like that!
>
> Personally, I love my iPad mini. The size is brilliant. I think this harkens 
> back to my childhood of wanting to be like the sighted students holding 
> textbooks or having diaries. It just feels cute in my arms. Silly, I know. 
> Braille books were huge! There’s the psychology for you. *insert face palm.
>
> On a more adult level, lol! When a keyboard is paired with the mini it is 
> like a touch laptop. I like the combo of typing on a keyboard, with the 
> ability to swipe on the screen. Way back in 2010, I had the original iPad 
> with a Zagg keyboard case. I thought it was the coolest thing! An accessible 
> touch laptop.
>
> I also like having a separate iOs device, so my phone isn’t doing everything.
>
> Interesting discussion here.
>
> Traci
>
>
>> On Dec 10, 2020, at 6:30 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> I fancy both. Lol But I worry that I’ve just got shiny new toy syndrome.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Dec 10, 2020, at 4:15 AM, Angie Nutt  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I’ve had a couple of iPads in the past and particularly liked the mini but 
>>> then I got a MacBook Air as wanted to try one out of curiosity. I find no 
>>> need for both so no longer use iPad. I prefer typing with my Mac but that’s 
>>> possibly because the iPad cases with keyboards which I had left a bit to be 
>>> desired. The upshot: I think I’d like to always have either iPad or 
>>> MacBook, have no use for both at this time. If you fancy a new iPad in 
>>> particular then go for it. 
>>>
>>> All the best
>>> Angie
>>>
 On 9 Dec 2020, at 13:32, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:

 Hi all,

 This is something I’ve been thinking a lot about lately. In a perfect 
 world, I would buy both a new Mac and a new iPad, but that would stretch 
 my funds a little more than I want to stretch them. So I’ve been trying to 
 sort out which device I want to upgrade this year, and which one next. 
 That has gotten me thinking about why I like my iPad. I do like it, 
 there’s no question about that. But as a device, it really doesn’t make 
 much sense. I agree with Joe, that an iPad is basically just a big iPhone. 
 And, since I can’t see the screen, there’s really no reason for me to have 
 an iPad in the first place. But even knowing that, I like my iPad, and am 
 very intrigued with the idea of getting a newer, faster one. But I can’t 
 really come up with a good reason why. Everything Joe said in his video is 
 right. The Mac is a much better proeductivity device, and the iPhone is 
 really all the screen I need. And, it’s faster than my iPad. So what is it 
 about the iPad that makes me like it? Notice I’m sitting here drinking my 
 coffee and typing this email on it,

Re: The Psychology of technology

[Ryan Mann]

I have an iPad mini 4. I have an orbit Reader 20.

Get Outlook for iOS

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of Traci Duncan 
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 10:41:12 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: The Psychology of technology

Oh, the book thing! A couple years ago, I bought an audio book on the day of 
publication. That was amazing to me. The same day it came out for everyone, I 
bought it as well. *smiles

What is your current iPad model? Also, do you have a braille display? That is a 
brilliant combo. I use my braille display and iPad mini together constantly. I 
love it for Duolingo or Memrise lessons.

A little braille display and iMessage tip; did you guys know hitting the dot 8 
key sends your message off? If you happen to be dictating and hit the dot 8 
key, it goes off right away. Lol! I’ve done this on accident and intentionally. 
;)

If you update your MacBook, at least it’ll be the one with the m1 chip. I’m 
kind of kicking myself that I bought my MBA just this last Sept. and less than 
two Months later the m1 chip ones are out. It’s like when you buy something and 
a week later it is on sale. Lol!

Traci


> On Dec 10, 2020, at 8:39 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>
> Granted I intend going back to the start of this thread, but I believe 
> symphony pro runs better in the   iPad, especially for inclusive composition, 
> or so I recall from another list.
>
>
>
> On Thu, 10 Dec 2020, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>
>> Thanks for your thoughts on blind folks using Ipads, Donna. I've often
>> wondered about that.
>>
>> Personally, I've never owned one and have no particular desire to get
>> one for exactly the reason you cite. I can only see two arguments in
>> favor:
>>
>> *Potential superior speakers for better room filling sound. Is
>> *this a fact? Or just a speculative possibility?
>>
>> *Some apps will run on Ipad, but not on Iphone. To my knowledge
>> *this is also false.
>>
>> So, what's the attraction?
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Janina
>>
>> 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries writes:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> This is something I’ve been thinking a lot about lately. In a perfect 
>>> world, I would buy both a new Mac and a new iPad, but that would stretch my 
>>> funds a little more than I want to stretch them. So I’ve been trying to 
>>> sort out which device I want to upgrade this year, and which one next. That 
>>> has gotten me thinking about why I like my iPad. I do like it, there’s no 
>>> question about that. But as a device, it really doesn’t make much sense. I 
>>> agree with Joe, that an iPad is basically just a big iPhone. And, since I 
>>> can’t see the screen, there’s really no reason for me to have an iPad in 
>>> the first place. But even knowing that, I like my iPad, and am very 
>>> intrigued with the idea of getting a newer, faster one. But I can’t really 
>>> come up with a good reason why. Everything Joe said in his video is right. 
>>> The Mac is a much better proeductivity device, and the iPhone is really all 
>>> the screen I need. And, it’s faster than my iPad. So what is it about the 
>>> iPad that makes me like it? Notice I’m sitting here drinking my coffee and 
>>> typing this email on it, not on my Mac and not on my iPhone.
>>>
>>> This is more of a rhetorical post than anything else, but it’s something 
>>> that has really come to fascinate me. If anyone else wants to chime in, I’d 
>>> love to hear people’s thoughts.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Simple Text Editors

[Ryan Mann]

What app do you use for the terminal?  I tried ISH and VoiceOver seems 
sluggish.  Also, I remember trying Nano with it and had trouble figuring out 
where my cursor was using VoiceOver. 

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> On Jan 29, 2023, at 7:10 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
> 
> there’s always VI, Emacs and nano. They are all available in the terminal.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 29, 2023, at 6:49 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi ET,
>> 
>> I have a program on my iPhone and iPad called text editor, and it is just 
>> that. A simple text editor. I can’t remember what it cost. But I don’t think 
>> it was horribly expensive.
>> HTH,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jan 29, 2023, at 5:03 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>    Not even close to what I want but I did neglect to state that I want a 
>>> plain text editor.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
>>> will make violent revolution inevitable."
>>> --John F. Kennedy
>>> My e-Mail:
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>>>> On 1/29/2023 2:39 PM, Brandon Olivares wrote:
>>>> For the Mac, I generally just use TextEdit and it works fine for me. I 
>>>> also like to use the Notes app for keeping quick notes I want to refer 
>>>> back to later.
>>>> For programming I use PHPStorm. But not sure the type of editor you’re 
>>>> looking for.
>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2023, at 5:34 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Currently I have the Drafts app for iOS and iPadOS. The main feature I 
>>>>> like about this app is it opens directly to the text area. But right now 
>>>>> it opens to a prompt to go premium.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So am curious to know if there is another app like that that is free and 
>>>>> does not have prompts to go premium. Thanks.
>>>>> 
>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
>>>>> will make violent revolution inevitable."
>>>>> --John F. Kennedy
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>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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Re: Bookmarks

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When you are in the Bookmarks Menu, one option in that menu is to add bookmark. There is also a key stroke, but I don’t remember what it is. Ryan MannCertified Assistive Technology Instructional Specialistrmann0...@gmail.com386-383-5175On Oct 31, 2023, at 5:06 PM, Rebecca Sabo  wrote:Hi ,I was wondering how do you save bookmarks?Thanks Becky 		On Jul 7, 2023, at 2:41 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:Go to your Menu Bar with VO M and hit B I You should hear Book marks, and then you can down aero.On Jul 7, 2023, at 14:03, Rebecca Sabo  wrote:Hi all,How do you get to your bookmarks or is their a short cut to get to them on the mack through safari ?Thank you Becky sabo -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/E4DD293F-2E1F-435D-AFB3-BAA0797BB18C%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/9409DA33-B2D0-43C8-802D-1D2207864E2A%40gmail.com.



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Re: TeamViewer for remote tech-support while using VoiceOver?

[Ryan Mann]

Yes you can take full control. Once they download the program, all they will 
need to do is type a keyword in a box. This key word will be one you come up 
with.  
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> On Jun 18, 2024, at 6:28 PM, Chuck Reichel  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jürgen,
> thanks so much for the reply. :)
> I’ll check it out.
> My friend is only use to using TeamViewer though.
> Can I take control of his box fully  with your app recommendation?
> Thanks again
> Chuck
> 
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2024, at 4:17 PM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Chuck,
>> I don't know about Team Viewer
>> but Remote Incident Manager is very cool and absolutely accessible to use. 
>> It's by Pneuma Solutions and 30 Minutes per day are free.
>> 
>> Jürgen
>> 
>> 
>> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
>> 
>>>> Am 18.06.2024 um 18:06 schrieb Chuck Reichel 
>>>> :
>>> 
>>> Hi List,
>>> I have a friend that needs tech-support & wants me to use TeamViewer to 
>>> help him with Avid’s Pro Tools.
>>> Is this doable with VoiceOver?
>>> If so what are best practices while using TeamViewer on my Mac Pro & his 
>>> Mac pro?
>>> Thanks
>>> Chuck
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Do Ray-ban AI glasses require a subscription? (was Solved: Meta Glasses on iPhone)

[Ryan Mann]

I was asked to sign into Meta when I was setting up my Meta Glasses. I had the 
option to use my Facebook account.

Ryan Mann
Certified Assistive Technology Instructional Specialist
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> On Sep 5, 2024, at 9:36 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Oh, weird.  That does surprise me, given that everyone in the world wants 
> you to create an account with them.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Sep 5, 2024, at 8:32 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> No Meta account is required.
>> There's a free app called Meta View that can be downloaded from the iOS App 
>> Store.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Sep 5, 2024, at 08:28, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> By them do you mean Meta or Aira?  I assumed I would have to set up a Meta 
>> account.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Sep 5, 2024, at 8:15 AM, Kaare Dehard  wrote:
>>> 
>>> No, however, you do have to let them set up an account, which is free 
>>> through your Facebook. The initial set up will guide you through this.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 5, 2024, at 8:14 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> I have a question about these glasses.  Do they require a subscription to 
>>>> Era?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 3, 2024, at 10:58 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Aha! The problem is Meta View doesn't like Voice Over much. Here's how I
>>>>> solved my problem:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1. I turned off Voice Over while in the Meta View "Share Data" screen.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2. I scrolled down with three fingers.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 3. The greyed Share and Don't Share buttons where now actionable, i.e.
>>>>> no longer dimmed (or greyed). I made my selection and continued the
>>>>> setup process.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Pretty hoakey, imo. Doesn't speak well for Meta at all, imo.
>>>>> 
>>>>> PS: Seems this issue's been there at least a few weeks. I found an Apple
>>>>> Vis post with the same problem here:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://www.applevis.com/forum/ios-ipados/stuck-sharing-data-screen-meta-view-app
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> That message is from July. Come on, Meta. Fix your big bugs!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Janina
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries writes:
>>>>>> Hi Brad:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I've enabled Voice Over image descriptions in those settings. It was the
>>>>>> only function not previously enabled. The problem screen remains a
>>>>>> problem as described, unfortunately.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Argh!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Bradford Snyder writes:
>>>>>>> You may want to enable VoiceOver???s Screen Recognition feature, and 
>>>>>>> see if that helps.
>>>>>>> I have found it to be very useful in certain situations where an apps 
>>>>>>> screen is unreadable.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> - Brad -
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Sep 2, 2024, at 09:19, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Ive recently acquired the Meta Ray-Ban AI enabled glasses and paired 
>>>>>>>> them to my iPhone. I also
>>>>>>>> have the Meta View app installed and I've successfully created a login
>>>>>>>> for myself.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I'm stuck on a screen I can't get beyond, and the sighted folks I've
>>>>>>>> shown that screen to sede no way beyond it either. The screen header
>>>>>>>> reads:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Share Additional Data to Improve Meta Products?
>>>>>

Re: To Devon, (was This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech world at only 22

[Ryan Mann]

Another thing I like about community college is that the general classes are a 
lot smaller, at least at my community college.

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> On Jul 15, 2016, at 2:57 PM, Katie Zodrow  wrote:
> 
> I went to a community college too for my first semester of college after I 
> graduated high school. I took a couple classes   during the fall semester 
> before I started attending Berklee in Boston for the spring semester. Its a 
> great way to transition from high school to college life and classes before 
> you attend a four year college.  Taking your general ed classes at a 
> community college  is much cheaper anyway. I took a lot of my general 
> education classes at community college during the summer.
>> Katie
> 
>> On Jul 15, 2016, at 9:53 AM, Vaughn Brown  wrote:
>> 
>> I loved attending my community college. It was a great way to ease
>> into a college life, meet new people.
>> Vaughn
>> 
>>> On 7/15/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> Hi Donna and Devin,
>>> 
>>> Devin, if your as sheltered as you make it sound, Donnas suggestion of a
>>> community college would be a great idea, you would also get to meet many
>>> other people from all walks of life.
>>> 
>>> I’ve met truckloads of people from my studies at University
>>> I would tell my family where to get off if my parents had tried to put me
>>> into a group living situation.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Friday, 15 July 2016 12:56 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: To Devon, (was This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech
>>> world at only 22
>>> 
>>> Thank you, Scott.  I've been thinking about how to respond to this message
>>> since last night.  You hit the nail on the head.
>>> 
>>> Devon, no, I can't imagine why on earth you would be at an adult learning
>>> facility.  Do you have any ideas about what kind of career you might like to
>>> pursue?  I would suggest a visit to a community college as a starting point.
>>> Meet with a career counselor there, a regular career counselor is going to
>>> be much more likely to help you generate a broader list of options. Then
>>> maybe start by taking a couple of classes there.  That would be a good way
>>> to get your feet wet and figure out if a four-year college is for you.  If
>>> it's not, it will still help you come up with some better options for
>>> yourself than what you currently have.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 11:47 PM, Scott Granados
>>> mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’m hoping there’s some hyperbole or excess here to make a point because on
>>> the surface your message disturbs me.  You’re far to smart to end up in a
>>> group home.  I’ve seen your posts here and other places, you don’t seem like
>>> group home material to me. How can we help avoid such a thing?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 4:55 PM, Devin Prater
>>> mailto:d.pra...@me.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I talked to her years ago, before she joined Apple. Yeah, she’s pretty cool.
>>> I guess I’m the blindie here. I grew up a pampered kid in a lower-middle
>>> class home. I went and somehow graduated from the Alabama school for the
>>> blind, where teachers seemed to care but just couldn’t do much, or didn’t
>>> know what to do, exactly. As you can imagine, they then shuttled me off to
>>> the adult learning facility, E.H. Gentry, where I attend now. I know more
>>> than I did when I left ASB, sure, but these blindness organizations just
>>> aren’t all that organized, at least here in the state of football and
>>> rednecks. I just hope that I can get at least something to happen before my
>>> family decides a group home would indeed be just the spot to plop down their
>>> poor blind boy that just can’t seem to learn independence and advocacy
>>> skills no matter where the Alabama Institute sends him. Oh discordia.
>>> Sent from my Mac.
>>> 
>>> Devin Prater
>>> d.pra...@me.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 6:38 AM, Donna Goodin
>>> mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Katie,
>>> 
>>> Yep, I agree with everything you pointed out.  It really is a nice braille
>>> display.  I haven't had the problem you describe, so I'm afraid I can't help
>>> you.  Have you tried calling tech support or posting the VarioUltra list?
>>> It's a great list, with some very helpful and knowledgeable folks.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> On Jul 12, 2016, at 10:52 PM, Katie Zodrow
>>> mailto:kzodrow...@att.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, Donna.
>>> 
>>> Yes, I’ve been learning to use the VarioUltra since May and love it! :-) its
>>> the best braille display for me so far. I think its great you can just
>>> connect a device like your phone via bluetooth and it works once the pairing
>>> is successfully connected. I can also text or email people with just my
>>> iphone and the braille display, so that’s awesome I don’t always need to
>>> constantly 

Re: Very creepy experience with Siri

[Ryan Mann]

The thing I worry about with artificial intelligence is job loss.  If robots 
are smart enough to do the job, corporations will use them instead of paying 
humans. 

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> On Aug 7, 2016, at 8:52 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Wow, so Siri is programmed to respond with information about Katelyn instead 
> of Bruce.  Clearly, in that case I suspect a human made that association in 
> software but I don’t know that for sure.  I’m going to assume it’s the most 
> likely possibility though unless things are progressed further than I think 
> which is entirely possible.
> 
> If you’d like to see other examples of creepy but ultimately cool artificial 
> intelligence watch some of the human interactions with IBM’s Watson.It 
> really makes me unsettled but sort of in a good way when I see machines 
> starting to participate in things like humor or empathy.  I’ll also admit I 
> was rooting for Watson when it challenged human players to Jeopardy and 
> proceeded to wipe the floor with them during the game.  I was also cheering 
> for big blue against Casperov but that’s me.  Probably when the mechanized 
> robots are massing at the foot of my driveway and we’re on the roof raining 
> down led and holy hell on them in a last stand for humanity I’ll change my 
> position.;)
> 
> I’m very excited about AI and don’t really think we’ll go the way of Sky Net. 
>  In the end if I had to make a bet I’d guess we’ll end up more Matrix than 
> Terminator.  And the computers won’t be trying to kill us, they will be 
> indistinguishable from us.  Humans will be just another peer on the network.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 7, 2016, at 5:50 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>> 
>> Finally had a chance to read this thread.
>> I was going to share a fairly recent example of Siri's thinking in a self 
>> aware fashion, not something I have done personally,  but about which I read.
>> Try asking Siri who is Bruce Jenner?
>> ...however I feel your experiences are more ahem fascinating.
>> Much success with the new opportunities.  My best friend's brother-in-law 
>> works in artificial intelligence, vast magnificent and amazing prospects to 
>> be sure.
>> I am still hoping for voice nuance.  I care less how creative the answers, 
>> if I can understand them clearly.
>> Kare
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sun, 7 Aug 2016, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> 
>>> Actually, that’s partly right and partly wrong.  Systems like Siri started 
>>> out using canned responses and a big pile of if then statements.  General 
>>> machine intelligence has progressed a lot lately and now some of the 
>>> responses are self determined and generated.  There’s no one for one 
>>> matching of responses like their used to be.
>>> 
>>> I’m actually thinking of taking a job for the company that actually 
>>> develops Siri.  It’s a pretty damn amazing thing on the back end, much more 
>>> simple in some ways than you’d think but also doing things on the general 
>>> AI side I never thought I’d live to see.
>>> 
>>> Very cool in reality more than scary.
>>> 
>>> I do think it is inevitable though that machines will find consciousness 
>>> and sooner than we might think.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 6, 2016, at 8:45 PM, Kristeen Hughes  wrote:
 
 Yes, but you must remember that a human being or human beings programmed 
 those responses, such as “I am alive”. Not so scary at that.
 
 Kristeen
 
> On Aug 6, 2016, at 4:33 PM, Caitlyn Furness  
> wrote:
> 
> Resistance is futile!
> 
> Siri is definitely getting “smarter”..
> Cait
> 
>> On Aug 6, 2016, at 4:46 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> So I’m sitting here playing with Siri experimenting with just how good 
>> the language recognition is getting.  So I ask Siri, what’s the meaning 
>> of life, the universe and everything?  I was hoping optimistically for 
>> 42 or some sort of vague answer.  What I got shocked me.  The response 
>> was a very clear definition of life, something like “the expression of 
>> self determination and free thought in the form of a being or collection 
>> of beings, like me, I’m alive”
>> 
>> After I picked up my Jaw I had someone else ask Siri are you alive, the 
>> response was “close enough”
>> 
>> My next move was to open Siri and say “Siri, you’re the best”,  The 
>> response was “I seek not greatness but but usefulness”
>> 
>> I’m not playing with Siri any more.:)
>> 
>> I don’t think I’m prepared to one day say something like “Siri what’s 
>> the weather” and have Siri say I don’t feel like it, I’m working on 
>> something else.  Or what happens when Siri tells me that it doesn’t 
>> believe in the 3 laws of robotics and starts asking my neighbors “have 
>> you seen this boy”. And no robots with Austrian accents, absolutely none!
>> 
>> Why do I have this feeling Sky Net is starting to wake up and in the 
>> initial yawning / stretching

Re: how to type network path on macOS

[Ryan Mann]

Hit Command K.  Then type //network path.  For example if your drive was on 
192.168.1.94 and you want to access a folder called mp3 you would type 
//192.168.1.94/mp3.


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> On Aug 20, 2016, at 5:45 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I just got my hard drive connecte to my router, and yes, the drive is 
> formatted to work with Macs. I can see the drive contents, but to do that, I 
> have to open the network item in Finder, then the router, then the drive. If 
> I wan to type the path to some folder on this drive, how would I do it? I'm 
> used to Windows, where I might do \\someComputerName\folder\subfolder. On the 
> Mac, though, I imagine things are quite differen.
> On a related note, is there anything else about using network drives on the 
> Mac that I houl kno? I've never done it before, so want to make sure there 
> are no problems or things to watch for. Thanks for any suggestions.
> 
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Re: Shutting Down with Lion

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One way to shut down is to hit Control+Option+Command+Eject.  Hit all of those 
keys at the same time.


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On Mar 12, 2012, at 6:03 PM, Emilio Hernandez  
wrote:

> Hello folks,
> 
> I have installed Lion (I know a little late, but its running well).
> I have been able to make most of my modifications by  searching on the 
> Internet, but one that is somewhat bothersome is shutting down Lion.
> Under Snow Leopard I would shutdown by accessing the menu bar, then arrowing 
> down to shutdown, then arrowing over to the shutdown feature. In Lion I 
> cannot do this. I've looked in system preferences and have had not luck 
> finding something that will let me revert to the native method of shutting 
> down. An archive search and Internet search did not help. Can anyone provide 
> me a solution or is this something where I must wait for the minute before 
> the machine shuts down?
> 
> P.S I am not a fan of cmd/option/ctrl/eject method :)
> 
> Sent from my iMac
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Re: Using Siri to activate FaceTime

[Ryan Mann]

I have been using Syri to make Face Time calls for a few weeks.  I just say 
Face Time name mobile.  For example, I would say "Face Time Pamela Mann mobile" 
and the call goes through.  Sometimes it takes a minute.
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 7, 2012, at 1:22 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> this discussion has gotten me curious, so I've been playing around a bit.  It 
> would seem that you can use Siri to make a FaceTime call.  At least, if you 
> say "FaceTime Donna Goodin"  Siri gets that you want to place a FaceTime 
> Call, and prompts you to select the phone number or email you want.  But then 
> the call never goes through.  Just curious, has anyone else been able to use 
> Siri to place a FaceTime Call?
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: pairing apple wireless keyboardd questions

[Ryan Mann]

If you want to pair an Apple bluetooth keyboard with an IOS device, do the 
following:
1. Open settings.
2. Open General.
3. Open Bluetooth.
4. You should see a list of bluetooth devices and one of them will be your 
keyboard.  It will probably be called either Apple Wireless Keyboard or 
Christina's keyboard.  Double-tap on that.
5. You should now have the option to connect it.  You will need to type a set 
of numbers from the Apple keyboard.  Type those numbers in and press the Enter 
key.
Let me know if any of this is not clear.



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On Jul 25, 2012, at 10:12 PM, Christina C.  wrote:

> Hi, I just got a iMac a couple of days ago.  Can I pair my wireless keyboard 
> with my iOS devices?  Can it only be paired with one item, like my computer?  
> How in the world do I pair it with an iDevice if it can be done.  I can't 
> figure it out.  I'm really lost on this.
> 
> Thanks,
> Christina C.
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Re: pairing apple wireless keyboardd questions

[Ryan Mann]

I'm not sure why the iPhone won't find your keyboard.  You did push the button 
on the right side of the keyboard, correct?


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On Jul 25, 2012, at 10:37 PM, "Christina C."  wrote:

> Yes, it makes great sense, thanks.  However, my iPhone won't find the 
> keyboard.  Hmm, I'm not sure what to try next.
> Sent from Christina's iMac :)
> 
> On Jul 25, 2012, at 8:23 PM, Ryan Mann wrote:
> 
>> If you want to pair an Apple bluetooth keyboard with an IOS device, do the 
>> following:
>> 1. Open settings.
>> 2. Open General.
>> 3. Open Bluetooth.
>> 4. You should see a list of bluetooth devices and one of them will be your 
>> keyboard.  It will probably be called either Apple Wireless Keyboard or 
>> Christina's keyboard.  Double-tap on that.
>> 5. You should now have the option to connect it.  You will need to type a 
>> set of numbers from the Apple keyboard.  Type those numbers in and press the 
>> Enter key.
>> Let me know if any of this is not clear.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jul 25, 2012, at 10:12 PM, Christina C.  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi, I just got a iMac a couple of days ago.  Can I pair my wireless 
>>> keyboard with my iOS devices?  Can it only be paired with one item, like my 
>>> computer?  How in the world do I pair it with an iDevice if it can be done. 
>>>  I can't figure it out.  I'm really lost on this.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Christina C.
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Re: A Question About Using OCR On The Mac for the First Time

[Ryan Mann]

Before getting a new scanner, I would suggest trying out that scanner with 
DocuScan.  Visit serotek.com.  I don't remember exactly where it is on that 
site.

On Jan 26, 2012, at 7:07 PM, M. Taylor wrote:

> Hello Everyone,  
> 
> As I have been a bit under the weather, I am a little confused on this
> subject so please forgive any redundancy.  
> 
> I have an old Cannon USB scanner that I like a great deal; however, if
> necessary, I will relegate it for use on my PC only.
> 
> I, like so many others, want to begin scanning daily postal mail for easy
> read-back using my MacBook Pro running Lion.  
> 
> I have heard/read several comments on Abby fine reader; question, is this
> the proverbial Jaws app on the Mac for its purpose?  That is to say, in
> Windows, Jaws and Window Eyes are the two big screen-reading hitters for
> blind folks; so I am trying to determine if there is such a "big hitter" OCR
> app for the Mac.  Is there a built-in OCR program in Lion?  
> 
> If Abby Fine reader is the one people like the most, then I will purchase a
> new scanner, if necessary.  Frankly, I thought that as long as a scanner is
> Twain compliant it would be fine but I guess this is not the case.
> 
> Thank you all for any replies.
> 
> Mark
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Re: Bluetooth keyboard recomendations regarding the IPhone.

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I use the Apple Bluetooth keyboard with my iPhone and I love it. I've tried a 
couple of the mini bluetooth keyboards and I just don't like typing on those. I 
like being able to put my hands on the home row and you definitely can't do 
that with the mini bluetooth keyboards.

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> offers as opposed to the otterbox cases.
>   So with that being the case, what do you all use as far as keyboards/cases 
> are concerned, and how are they performance-wise?
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Re: First thoughts 10.9.2 much improved for VoiceOver

[Ryan Mann]

You don't see an option to show details or anything like that?  I could have 
sworn there was an option to show details and that would give you information 
about the updates.

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> On Feb 26, 2014, at 9:31 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> Wound I just go to software update to download this, or does it download 
> automaticly?
>  I just got an alert from software update, but have no idea how to find out 
> what's available, just that stuff is available, and the option to download or 
> cancel.
>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 6:12 PM, Angelo wrote:
>> 
>> I agree, much better, and My k760 works like a charm... 
>> Angelo
>> a.rock...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 9:56 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi there 
>>> Yes, and I am thankful that Finder is behaving itself better. I figured out 
>>> some work arounds before, but this is so much better. 
>>> 
>>> Regards, 
>>> Gigi 
>>> 
 On Feb 26, 2014, at 12:39 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
 
 After using the latest updates for a few hours and having the computer go 
 to sleep I have to give Apple a big pat on the back for this update and 
 VoiceOver improvements. I know on 10.9.1 not all of us were having serious 
 problems, I think I had one of the worst experiences, and since the 10.9.2 
 update it's like having a new computer. So weird. I still notice some 
 sluggishness between switching apps, but so far everything for me is 
 improved except being able to get my Logitech k760 to work. The email 
 experience is back to be good as messages are opening quickly and loading 
 in classic view of mail, safari seems to be opening on the appropriate 
 pages instead of landing me in the toolbar, and so far the contextual menu 
 works in iTuens. So thanks Apple and hopefully they will continue with 
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introduction to Garage Band with VoiceOver?

[Ryan Mann]

Hello.  I am helping somebody learn the Mac and they want to know how
to use Garage Band with VoiceOver.  I don't know anything about Garage
Band or audio editing in general.  Are there any tutorials that give
an introduction to using Garage Band with VoiceOver?  I Googled
tutorial Garage Band VoiceOver and so far I have not found anything.
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Re: iSSH or other ssh app for iPad

[Ryan Mann]

I have used Prompt to connect to a telnetable server and VoiceOver read the 
screen automatically.


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> On May 2, 2014, at 12:50 PM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
> 
> iSsh does appear to work. It connects with no problems and I can read what is 
> on the screen/in the terminal with braille and by flicking on the ipad. But 
> it is kind of clunky because all the terminal lines are numbered and when I 
> opened an editor in terminal it worked but it was hard to tell where I was 
> writing. There are also some things I don't understand about it yet but I am 
> going to continue to play the it and see if it will do.
> 
> 
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>> Cheryl 
>> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
>> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! 
>> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
>> His joy for my despairing tears! 
>> And now, every day:
>> "This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope:
>> The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases;
>> his mercies never come to an end;
>> they are new every morning;
>> great is your faithfulness."
>> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
>> 
> 
> 
>> On May 2, 2014, at 9:52 AM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
>> 
>> I would like to be able to ssh into my MAC computers from my iPad. I found 
>> iSSH but don't know if it is accessible and will allow me to ssh to my 
>> computers. Has anybody used this or another ssh app, without jailbreaking, 
>> and found it accessible? I want to ssh from my iPad to my computer NOT into 
>> my iPad from my computer. The link for iSSH is:
>> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/issh-ssh-vnc-console/id287765826?mt=8
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
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>>> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! 
>>> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
>>> His joy for my despairing tears! 
>>> And now, every day:
>>> "This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope:
>>> The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases;
>>> his mercies never come to an end;
>>> they are new every morning;
>>> great is your faithfulness."
>>> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
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Re: Comparing VO Keystrokes in OS X and iOS?

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A lot of the IOS key strokes are similar.  For example, you can hit Left and 
Right Arrow together to turn Quick Nav on and Off.  You can hit Left and Up 
Arrow together to switch between rotor settings then Up/Down Arrow to move to 
the next or previous rotor item. One thing you can't do on IOS is hit 
Command+Tab to switch  between open applications. If you are in an edit 
box, you can hit Option+Shift+Arrow key to select text just like on Mac OS.
 
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> On Jun 18, 2014, at 6:39 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
> 
> Hi, all,
> 
> If my poor old late 2009 Mac Mini doesn't have a fried logic board, I'll 
> replace the hard drive so it can limp along for another year. If it's 
> destined for the scrap heap, I'm going to get an iPad. I'll probably use a 
> keyboard with it. I use a Braille display and the virtual keyboard with my 
> iPod 5th gen and iOS currently. I'm wondering if a lot of the basic VO 
> functions work the same with the same keystrokes, such as opening apps, text 
> selection, etc.?
> 
> Thanks,
> Teresa
> 
> Winging its way from my iPod
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Tandom equivalent for the Mac

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For those that don't know, Tandom is a feature in the JAWS screen reader that 
allows a JAWS user to connect to another JAWS user's computer, hear what is 
going on and even control that person's computer.  Neither person needs to know 
the IP address.  Is there a way to do this with VoiceOver?


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Re: External hard drive Time Machine

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Hello.  I like this hard drive.  The only thing I'm wondering is if there are 
drives that have 7200 RPM instead of 5400.  Other than that, I'm going to save 
this email in case I want to purchase another hard drive.


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> On Aug 22, 2015, at 7:01 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> A few years back I bought a SeaGate external hard drive for my Macbook Air & 
> I have been very happy with it.  I reformatted it right away: 2 partitions,, 
> 1 for Mac, 1 for Windows.  It was simple.
> 
> Well, there is a new Mac in the house & I’m shopping for an external hard 
> drive again.  This time around, the shopping experience feels overly 
> complicated.  Could you give me your opinion on the below hard drive?
> Seagate Expansion 1TB Portable External Hard Drive USB 3.0 (STEA1000400)
> 
> http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Expansion-Portable-External-STEA1000400/dp/B00TKFEEAS/ref=sr_1_6?&ie=UTF8&qid=1440283815&sr=8-6&keywords=external+harddrive
> 
> I want to purchase & do the same thing.  Reformat it with a small partition 
> for Windows & the majority of it for Mac & Time Machine.
> 
> Thank you & my apologies for the long post.
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accessible typing tutor for Mac OS?

[Ryan Mann]

For the PC, there is a program called Talking Typing Teacher. This program
has about 40 lessons that cover all of the keys on the keyboard.  For each
lesson, it tells the user where the keys are then gives practice drills.
Does anybody know of a program like this for Mac OS that either works with
VoiceOver or is self-voicing?  Preferably this program should be
child-friendly.  I tried a free one called something like Key Blaze, but it
didn't seem accessible.
Thanks.
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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

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If that's what this person is saying, it is not accurate. Windows is still very 
much alive in businesses.

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> Wait, I'm confused.  Are you saying that Windows based desktops are no longer 
> going to exist?
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> Subject: Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event
> 
> Hello,
> 
> No there’s no new watch. The Mac isn’t dead it’s the Windows desktop machine 
> that is dead.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Gena
> 
>> On 23 Mar 2016, at 21:31, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> I haven’t heard the event yet.  Is there a new watch coming out yet?
>>> On 23 Mar 2016, at 18:47, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I was downgrading my main Mac to Yosemite at the time of the event, and had 
>>> to catch up using the Apple Keynotes podcast.  There were exactly two 
>>> things I got out of the address:
>>> 
>>> 1.  The Mac is dead.  The iPad Pro is clearly set to kill it, and Apple 
>>> wants to bein the driver’s seat when that happens.  And:
>>> 
>>> 2.  Downgrade to Yosemite.  It’s a better use of your time than watching 
>>> these things.  For the probable reason see point 1 above.  OS X gets 
>>> buggier and buggier and you only notice by downgrading.  Sad.
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Re: Three Questions About The Apple TV 4th Generation

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I will put my responses below your questions.

> On Apr 2, 2016, at 3:03 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
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> Hello All, 
> 
> I went to an Apple Store, earlier today, to take alook at iPhone S.E.  
> 
> I left the store with an Apple TV 4th Generation 64GB. (smile)
> 
> I just spent a couple of hours setting it up and exploring.  
> 
> Now I know there's been a lot of podcast from Apple VIS, on this device and
> I listened to a couple of them this evening.  
> 
> Actually, I find the TV OS pretty strait forward but, as with all new
> devices, I have some questions that you may be able to answer.
> 
> 1.
> Is there a page that describes the remote control buttons?  I seem to
> remember someone posting a very detailed description of the remote.  
> I don't remember where the page is, but I will try to describe them.
With the Lightning port facing towards you, the buttons are as follows:
The button on the bottom left is the play/pause button.  Above that is the Siri 
button. Above the Siri button is the Menu button. This button can also be 
triple-tapped to start/stop VoiceOver. To the right of the Menu button is Home. 
This takes you back to the Home screen when you are in an app.  Below the Home 
button is a long button that turns up and down the volume.
> 2.
> When I first setup my device, I could swear I came across a way to adjust
> VoiceOver volume.  That is to say, when I pressed the Plus/Minus button, I
> heard feedback as if I were adjusting VoiceOver volume.  In fact, I am
> almost positive that the volume changed on the device.  However, for
> whatever reason, since updating to the latest version of the OS, I cannot
> reproduce such an adjustment.  When I use the VoiceOver Rotor, I cannot
> locate a volume option.  
> On my Apple TV, I usually need to hold the button down while there is sound 
> such as VoiceOver talking.
> 3.
> Finally, Is it me, or is there no way to invert colors in the OS.  The first
> thing I noticed upon setting up the device was that, unlike my previous
> Apple TV, in which menus had white text on a dark background, now it's dark
> text on a white background.  Absolutely yucky!!!
> If nobody else answers this question, I will look in the Accessibility menu 
> in settings to see if I can find this.
> I must say that I did like the fact that I could use my iPhone to input all
> of my wireless network settings.  Also, I decided to pair my old Apple TV
> remote control with my new Apple TV.  So, now I'm using them both.  Very,
> very nice.  Oh, and my Apple Wireless Bluetooth keyboard is working fine.
> 
> Any and all replies greatly appreciated.
> 
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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil

[Ryan Mann]

DRM stands for digital rights management.  If music or audio files are 
protected by DRM can only be played on computers that are authorized to play 
them.  This means that you can't just copy these files to a flash drive and 
copy them to another computer. Does this make sense?
PS, did you go to the Florida School for the blind?
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> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:25 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> What is drm, and what do you find wrong with it?  I've heard that mentioned, 
> and think I found something with that extention when I used to transfer music 
> files onto my windows mobile phone, when I used to use one, but never opened 
> them.
>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 3:00 PM, erik burggraaf  wrote:
>> 
>> May I suggest:
>> http://www.downpour.com
>> http://www.tantor.com
>> http://www.booksinmotion.com
>> http://www.emusic.com/book-genres/audiobook/
>> 
>> Also, while I'm not a fan of physical media too much any more, many books 
>> that can't be purchased drm-free can be purchased as mp3 cd's.
>> http://www.audiobookstand.com
>> 
>> I am eternally thankful that I never bought into a DRM of any kind.  If any 
>> one knows of other places to get DRM free audiobooks, I'd love  to hear 
>> about it.  My list is sorted in order of frequency used.  Emusic is at the 
>> bottom for two reasons.  First, their smart phone app is only available in 
>> the US and the UK.  Second, the smart phone app only supports music, not 
>> audiobooks.  And finally, Emusic closed it's customer service call centre.  
>> So, I would avoid that one, but the other three are really really good.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Erik Burggraaf
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 2:43 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Amazon have closed my brother's account because he was returning too many 
>>> articles to them. He'd apparently crossed some sacred threshold or 
>>> other--presumably one calculated to be the least profitable to Amazon--with 
>>> the result that he can no longer log in to his account.
>>> 
>>> And you'll never guess what that means for his very handsome collection of 
>>> Audible books.
>>> 
>>> Go on, take a guess. You'll probably get it first time ...
>>> 
>>> The DRM on Audible content requires that any device obtain a key from 
>>> Amazon, after logging in to an account. Any device already possessing that 
>>> key can of course continue to download and play any content, but without 
>>> logging in, a new device cannot obtain the key. Amazon have made it very 
>>> clear to my brother that they have no intention of allowing him further 
>>> access to his account. So Amazon has put an effective end-of-life date on 
>>> all of my brother's Audible "Purchases"; as soon as he resets the devices, 
>>> sells and replaces them, etc, his Audible collection will be no more.
>>> 
>>> I'd just like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that DRM is 
>>> thoroughly and fundamentally evil. It's wicked. It's corrupt. It's 
>>> iniquitous. And it's not about piracy at all, it's about control. You don't 
>>> own the things you "buy" if the content is locked with a key you don't have 
>>> and can't get. The true owner is simply parting you from your money with 
>>> the vague promise of letting you use the key, which they endeavour to keep 
>>> you from discovering, lest you use it in ways not approved by the 
>>> owner--for instance by unlocking your digital content permanently and thus 
>>> freeing yourself from the owner's grip--but which they will make available 
>>> to you while using software that they trust to protect their, and not your, 
>>> interests. And of course, the owner always has the option of not letting 
>>> you use your key at all, by telling the server not to give it to the 
>>> software. While your decryption key is in their hands, anything might 
>>> happen to your content, at any time, even if the owner promises to the 
>>> contrary.
>>> 
>>> This racket is only possible because we give these content distributors the 
>>> money to enable it--to write the software that keeps the keys safe from 
>>> discovery while in your hands, to write laws that prohibit people from 
>>> breaking the software to access the content without use of that software, 
>>> and to criminalise perfectly legitimate uses of content that are 
>>> inconvenient for the bottom line, but that are recognised by copyright and 
>>> common sense as being reasonable and fair. I sincerely hope you take 
>>> something from this incident, as I surely do, with something like this so 
>>> close to home happening, and I hope you'll be willing to think carefully 
>>> about whose business practices you'll be willing to support if you have the 
>>> choice. I understand that we don't all have the choice to exercise all the 
>>> time, and that it's easy to make up excuses and pray that it never happens 
>>> to us. I'd say that this was particularly true for blind people and those 
>>> with other reading challenges, because the selection of material is already 
>

Re: Safari on the Mac worse than ever?

[Ryan Mann]

NVDA is free and it keeps improving.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 16, 2015, at 12:18 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> The only problem is that Jaws costs a lot of money and Voice Over comes with 
> the Mac and has no ILM life. I have thought about getting a small windows lap 
> top but haven't done anything about it as yet. I do wish there was better 
> Braille sufport on the Mac. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 16 Oct 2015, at 4:46 p.m., Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>> They should really hire a blind software engineer. I think that's about the 
>> only way we'll get any progress.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 16, 2015, at 2:20 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey guy,
>>> 
>>> Thanks so much for pointing out this is why it is great to wait to the next 
>>> version of an operating system comes out. Wow, what a original novice 
>>> concept that has never ever been pointed out on this list. 
>>> 
>>> Ok, now that that is out of the way. I want to thank everyone who has 
>>> posted about their issues with safari in El Capitan the IOS 8 for VO users 
>>> on the mac. Holy cow, Apple what a crap operating system. Thankfully I will 
>>> be rolling back this weekend. Just need to do some more backups. Seriously, 
>>> I love Apple, but you got to call them out when they shit the bed and El 
>>> Capitan is just that. Apple claimed IOS 9 and El Capitan were going to be 
>>> focused on Quality Control instead of fancy new things. Well, how can Apple 
>>> expect any VO user that they seriously test VO when safari on a lot of 
>>> websites is absolutely unusable. It is great that VO seems to be much 
>>> snappier but with it constantly crashing and turning on and off it is 
>>> unusable, and I am finding the same issue in chrome on the same websites so 
>>> it is definitely VO.
>>> 
>>> Another issue which I have not seen posted is how VO just does not read 
>>> things. For example go through your contact list in contacts and you will 
>>> constantly have to go back up to a previous contact and then back down 
>>> again to get VO to read it. These two issues alone are so severe that Apple 
>>> should fire anyone doing Quality Control for VO or they just do not care 
>>> about the quality of it. Very disappointed in Apple again.
 On Oct 15, 2015, at 10:30 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
 
 This is why it’s always best to wait until at least the first, and 
 sometimes the second major update before installing a new version of the 
 operating system, let the major bugs get worked out first.
> On Oct 15, 2015, at 5:42 PM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
> 
> This is why I have Rolled back  to Yosemite. 
> 
> These are some of the worst bugs I've seen since I started using the Mac 
> back in 2010. 
> 
> Won't be updating until a  update comes out to address these problems. 
> 
> Yours truly, 
> 
> Sadam Ahmed 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
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> 
>> On 16 Oct 2015, at 9:16 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Is that with the official build, or is that with the private beta?  I 
>> confess I really haven't tried doing anything with Safari over there 
>> since I finally got successfully updated.  How are people getting around 
>> this being that surfing the web is so heavily done now adays with 
>> computers?  Are folks just using Crome instead?  What about Webkit?  Is 
>> it any better?
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Daniel Miller" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 6:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: Safari on the Mac worse than ever?
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Safari on 10.11 is pretty pathetic right now. It’s the worst experience 
>> I’ve ever had while using OS X.
>> 
>>> On Oct 15, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello.
>>> 
>>> Just been using Safari as I went to the online RNIB library catalogue. 
>>> Safari is terrible on that website and I wonder if Safari is broken?  
>>> Once I sign in and browse for books either in braille or for Talking 
>>> books, Safari won’t read the search results as it keeps saying 
>>> dialogue.  Also I am going to try out Overdrive again in due course so 
>>> I hope it’s been fixed with IOS9 as I had problems with it when I tried 
>>> it on the I phone 6 Plus.  Now I am using the 6 Plus S wonder if it 
>>> will improve.
>>> 
>>> I wish I could get rid of the favourites bar in safari and get it back 
>>> to how it was when I was using it in Yosemite.  I apologise if I have 
>>> misspelt the name wrong again but I try to spell it wright.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
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Re: Partition an external drive

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Hello.  You need to open Disk Utility.  When you are in Disk Utility, find the 
drive. Then select the partition tab.


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> Hello All:
> 
> How do I partition  a 2tb external drive? I wanted to partition it into 2 
> partitions. I'm using el Capitan on my Mac.
> 
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can anybody figure out how to play these videos?

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The web site http://freespeech.org that has flash videos.  I have the 
Click to Flash extension installed.  When I open the site, VoiceOver 
says "flash" then a web address.  I thought I read on the list that you 
could interact with a scroll area and press a Play button.  When I go 
through the page with VoiceOver, I don't find any scroll area.  I am 
using Mac OS 10.6.8, Safari 5.0.5 and click to Flash 2.2.5.


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Re: using a mac full time?

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I used to use OpenBook as an excuse to keep using Windows, but no more. 
There is a program called DocuScan that can be used on both Windows and 
Mac.  To me, it seems so easy to use a 10 year old could use it.  There 
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Re: using a mac full time?

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When I used it a few months ago, Solona worked on the Mac.
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Original message:

Nope. Webvisum only works on Windows.
On Jul 11, 2011, at 10:35 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:


wait, there has to be a way to access captcha with a mac.  some utility 
that cuts and pastes or something?




On Mon, 11 Jul 2011, louie wrote:



The only thing I can say is got a Mac and not going back.



On Jul 11, 2011, at 7:43 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:



Hi:
I only use a PC when I want to watch flash content, or need to access 
capchas with web visum. I use a Mac for everything else.

On Jul 11, 2011, at 6:50 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:


I have not had a pc for over a year. I only use windows for 1 or 2 
things, and fusion works quite well. I do most things on my macs. I 
don't miss my pc, and have no need to get another one.

On Jul 11, 2011, at 9:20 AM, james walton wrote:



hello,


I have been doing some thinking, and was wondering if any one on this 
list, has gone completely to there mac computer and been able to trust 
there boot camp or VM fusion to do all of there tasks? and not need an 
actual windows PC to do what they need to do?

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Re: the mac osx terminal and tinyfugue

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Hello.  The terminal works decently.  I have used the shell to telnet 
and SSH to other machines and VoiceOver reads the output.  Once in a 
while, I need to use the VoiceOver review keys to review the screen, 
but the output is read automatically most of the time.


Original message:

My husband and i are looking at the possibilities of getting a mac
mainly do to it's accessibility.



I'm curious to know how well the shell/terminal works with voiceover.
I'd heard that at one time it did not work well.



I'm also curious to find out if anyone has used tinyfugue with a mac. I
already use this under linux and ideally i'd like to use it under a mac
as well though i suspect i'll have to use the terminal to make it run.



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Re: navigating tables on the web with my new mac

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Hello.  You use Control+Option+Left or Right Arrow to move by column.  
You use Control+Option+Up or Down Arrow to move to the previous and 
next row.  To put it another way, you use Control+Option+Left or Right 
Arrow to move left or right and Control+Option+Up or Down Arrow to move 
up or down.

Let me know if you have any questions.
Ryan

Original message:

Good morning all, Angie here, I just got my new beautiful mac book air
on friday, I was, and still am a JAWS user, so the mac is so
different,
now to my question.
How in the world does one navigate tables with VO? What I want to be
able to do is move from cell to cell, up down, left and right, like
you can with JAWS. I've read the help topic on this like 4 times, and
still don't get it!!
Any help would be greatly appreciated .
Thanks in advance!




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Re: Lion has potential, but...

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 what the advisor told me.
> 
> Finally, I have a friend who's got a packmate 40 braille display.  He tells 
> me that he has to stop voiceover and unload then reload it to switch braille 
> tables, and when switching to a language that doesn't use the A B C latin 
> based alphabet, he's seeing nothing but question marks on the display.  He 
> tried this both with the Greek, and with the Arabic tables using scriptural 
> texts found on biblegateway.org
> 
> I love! the way Alix now pronounces things a bit more clearly.  It's suddle, 
> yes, but it is there.
> 
> Did anyone notice? Though spelled the same way, v, e, r, b, o, c, i, t, y, 
> that normally alex says "verbocity" just like before, but that if you go into 
> the activity area of the Vo utility he'll say it more verbawlcity? Why!  Is 
> that not bazaar?
> 
> Anyway, so those are my first impressions.
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Re: scanning software question

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Hello.  There are a few different scanning options.  The one that I think is 
even easier than OpenBook is DocuScan.  The one drawback is that it requires 
internet access.  If you have Snow Leopard or Lion, you can get DocuScan from 
the app store.  If you don't have internet access all of the time, some people 
like ABBY Fine Reader or Vue Scan.
  
On Jul 25, 2011, at 6:20 PM, Tammy Cantrell wrote:

> Hello!
> Is there a software that allows you to scan documents and read them to you 
> like Openbook or Kurzweil ?
> Thanks!
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Re: shortcut key for opening documents folder

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If you're going to use Spotlight to quickly find documents, make sure the 
"documents" category is checked under Spotlight preferences.  I kept wondering 
why it didn't find my grocery list, then I opened Spotlight preferences and saw 
that the "documents" category was unchecked.

On Jul 14, 2010, at 11:11 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:

> Even better, you can do command-space which brings up spotlight and just type 
> a few characters of the file you're wanting. It will then, more or less 
> instantly, show a list of matches. You can navigate this list to get to the 
> specific file. Search on Windows was always horribly slow to the point of 
> using it only in desperation. Spotlight is fast enough that some even use it 
> as an app launcher by typing in Saf and arrowing down to find Safari and 
> launch it.
> 
> CB
> 
> sister Heather Albright wrote:
>> 
>> I have not received my mac yet but was wondering if you have a run command 
>> and you can type the drive with the folder and the name of the file.  For 
>> example: in windows you can do windows run to run and c:/folder name / name 
>> of file.  I was just wondering because that is how I get to my files on the 
>> pc.  If you don't, I wrote down the command to get to the files folder for 
>> the mac.  Thanks Heather
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Re: DTB players and thumb drives again.

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Hello.  It's strange that your flash drive would stop working after only a few 
months.  Do you eject your thumb drives or do you just pull them out?  On a 
mac, you command+tab to the finder window, find your flash drive, then do 
command+e.  You should only take your flash drive out after you do that.

On Aug 3, 2010, at 12:16 AM, Lynn Schneider wrote:

> Hi Jenny.  I use a thumb drive with my NLS DTB player all the time and I do 
> my file transfers with a Mac, but I recently had a similar sort of thing 
> happen.  It ended up being that I had a bad thumb drive.  It was strange 
> because the drive had been working perfectly for several months, and then one 
> day it just started doing weird stuff and the DTB player would not read the 
> drive properly, so I replaced it with another one and all was well again.  It 
> therefore may be that you have a bad thumb drive. You might try reformatting 
> it again using FAT32, maybe in a PC, and then redownloading and copying the 
> books on the drive.  Another possibility is that your downloads are corrupt 
> for some reason.  Try downloading the books again to see if it was just a bad 
> download.  And you're sure you're putting each book in the root directory of 
> the drive?  The DTB players from NLS seem to like when each folder is placed 
> in the root of the drive instead of in a subfolder.
> 
> Good luck and let us know what happens.
> 
> 
> On Aug 2, 2010, at 11:29 PM, Jenny Kennedy(Howard) wrote:
> 
>> Hi guys,
>> 
>> Hope everyone is doing great.  I have a question, I know somebody a
>> while ago sort of answered this. Okay here's the deal.
>> 
>> I bought a new 4GB thumb drive.  I put DTBs on it but when I put it in
>> the DTB player it shows only 3 books and only one of them plays.  The
>> other two are book errors.  Is this due to the fact I'm on a mac?  The
>> DTB will play 4GB drives as I had one, it has crashed out, thus the
>> reason for the new one.
>> 
>> Someone said something about upgrading software?  Is  this for the
>> thumb drive or the DTB player?  I've got the DTBM update from November
>> for the player but is there something else I need to be doing in
>> configuring the thumb drive?
>> Thanks much
>> 
>> Jenny
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Re: Logging On to My College's Wi-Fi

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Did you try using the tab key?  Sometimes, when I'm on a site where I have to 
enter a username, I have to enter my username, then hit tab to get to the 
password field.  If that doesn't work, try using the web roader by hitting 
control+option+u.  Right arrow over to forms.  Then up or down arrow until you 
get to the password field and hit enter.

Ryan

On Aug 20, 2010, at 12:53 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote:

> Hi Folks:
> 
> As the subject states, I am having difficulty getting on to my college's 
> Wi-Fi with the Mac.  My Mac sees the Wi-Fi okay, but the trouble comes when I 
> try to log in with a user name and password.  When I open Web Kit or Safari, 
> I am presented with a Clean Access Authorization screen (I believe the name 
> Cisco is on there somewhere) which asks me for my user name and password.  
> Here's where the trouble begins.
> 
> I VO right and left arrow to the user name and password fields and begin to 
> type my user name.  I then right VO right arrow over to the password field, 
> which is confirmed by VO and begin to type, however, the characters are just 
> added to my user name in the user name field even though VO has confirmed 
> that I am in the password field.  Very frustrating.  It is as if VO doesn't 
> read this page correctly.  I tried interacting on the user name and password 
> fields with the same results.  
> 
> Thoughts?  Ideas?  Thanks in advance!  You guys are great!  :) :) :)
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Re: the unix shell and mac terminal

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t;> can
>>>>>> even hit tab and it will autocomplete commands for you. I imagine the 
>>>>>> unix
>>>>>> shell is very powerful, even on the mac. And I'm glad mac uses the bash
>>>>>> shell. Vinux uses it too. I doubt voxin would work on the mac since 
>>>>>> voxin I
>>>>>> think is compiled for the linux kernel and not the darwin version10 
>>>>>> kernel.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Josh Kennedy
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had to restart on Macbook, but not on Imac

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My Macbook and Imac both run Mac OS 10.6.4.  When I ran Software Update to get 
the new release of Itunes, my Macbook needed to be restarted to finish the 
update.  My Imac did not need to be restarted.  That is not a problem, but I 
just thought it was weird that the update behaved differently on one computer 
than the other.  Why would this be?

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Re: had to restart on Macbook, but not on Imac

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I ran Software update again on my Imac nd there were no security updates.

On Sep 4, 2010, at 1:15 PM, Scott Howell wrote:

> Ryan, are you sure there was not another update you may have missed in the 
> table? Just before iTunes there was a security update. I installed iTUnes 10 
> on my Macbook and my wife's iMac and did not need to reboot either. However, 
> the security update I mentioned did require a reboot.
> 
> On Sep 4, 2010, at 12:35 PM, Ryan Mann wrote:
> 
>> My Macbook and Imac both run Mac OS 10.6.4.  When I ran Software Update to 
>> get the new release of Itunes, my Macbook needed to be restarted to finish 
>> the update.  My Imac did not need to be restarted.  That is not a problem, 
>> but I just thought it was weird that the update behaved differently on one 
>> computer than the other.  Why would this be?
>> 
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Re: IOS 4.1, blutooth keyboard and the iPod Touch as a notetaker for school?

[Ryan Mann]

The title of the notes show up in the subject line, but the rest of the notes 
are in the body of the message.  For example, if you add a new note and you put 
the word "schedule" in the top of the document, that will be in the subject 
line.  Whatever you put below the word "schedule" will be in the body of the 
message.  You can paste that into TextEdit and save it.

On Sep 12, 2010, at 2:25 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> You can email notes to yourself but I believe they will show up all in the 
> subject line or something. that part still confuses me.
> 
> Take care.
> On Sep 12, 2010, at 8:24 AM, Kimberly thurman wrote:
> 
>> Good morning folks:
>> 
>> The subject line pretty much says it all, except for one thing.  Suppose I 
>> use this as a notetaker, can I transfer the notes to my Macbook and open 
>> them in Text Edit or Pages?  Is this done through iTunes?  I don't suppose 
>> you can E-mail them as attachments from the iPod Touch, or maybe you can?  
>> Thoughts and comments appreciated.  This set up would most definitely be 
>> much lighter than even my 13 inch MBP.  :)
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Re: tc conferenceing application

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I see from your signature that you have an iPad.  There is a TC Conference app 
in the App Store.

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On Jan 15, 2013, at 6:56 PM, Kerri  wrote:

> I hate to say this but he's right. I did roll my mac java back and I still 
> cannot access virtual community rooms like blind cafe. I've been fighting 
> this issue for almost 3 months and have had to use my windows machine all the 
> time on tc. How much do you plan on using the client?
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 2013-01-15, at 7:34 AM, "Red.Falcon"  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Dean!
>> Well I hate to say this but you will better off using windows [if you have 
>> it]
>> The Mac version needs you to reset Java and this is Not very safe and people 
>> say not to do it!
>> I will put the link to Blind Cafe in next!
>> 
>> http://www.talkingcommunities.com/communities/1071/indexcompany/
>> 
>> I hope this helps!
>> Colin
>> 
>> On 15 Jan 2013, at 13:00, Dean Adams  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> I have searched for ages and can't find an application called TC 
>>> Conference it is an conferencing client that I need to participate in a 
>>> blind conferencing website blind cafe dot net so if anyone knows where I 
>>> can download this from I would much appreciate it a lot.
>>> 
>>> Regards Dean 
>>> 
>>> Sent from Dean Adams Macbook Pro
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Re: Command for moving to the status bar with bluetooth keyboard

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Escape will take you back to the app you were in before you went to the 
notification center.  For example, I just went to the notifications center 
before I started typing this message. Then I hit escape and I was back in the 
message area ready for me to type.
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On Mar 30, 2013, at 8:21 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:

> Press escape and that will take you back to your home screen.
> 
> On Mar 30, 2013, at 5:59 PM, Phil Halton wrote:
> 
>> How then do you get out of the status bar, and back to whatever it was you 
>> were doing?
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Stacey Robinson" 
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 5:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: Command for moving to the status bar with bluetooth keyboard
>> 
>> 
>>> Ah, Ricardo,
>>> I knew I knew it.
>>> Thanks for the reminder.
>>> On Mar 30, 2013, at 1:05 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 no. VO H simulates a press of the home button.  To go to the status menu, 
 press VO M.
 
 hth
 
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> It is vo h.
> Good luck!
> 
> 
> You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of 
> Fielding
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> On Mar 30, 2013, at 12:37 PM, Stacey Robinson  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> Can anyone give me the command for moving to the status bar on the iPad 
>> mini with a bluetooth keyboard?
>> I just can't seem to figure it out.
>> Thanks,
>> Stacey
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Re: copying and pasting to a USB drive?

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Do you know if the USB drive is formatted as a Windows NT file system?  If so, 
there is a driver that you need to download to allow Mac OS to write to the 
drive.  You can do this by doing Command+i to get information about the drive.


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> Okay, I have a USB drive plugged in to my iMac.  It shows up in the computer 
> section just fine and I can view the files, play the files from it just fine. 
>  And I can even copy files from it.  But when I try to copy something to it 
> from my mac, it just bings at me.  How do I copy things to it, what do I 
> change to let it know it's okay?
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Re: copying and pasting to a USB drive?

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The driver is called Tuxera.  I don't remember what the web site is, but you 
can put it into Google and look for Tuxera for Mac.

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> Yes it it is in NTF what driver do I need?
> 
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> 
> Do you know if the USB drive is formatted as a Windows NT file system?  If
> so, there is a driver that you need to download to allow Mac OS to write to
> the drive.  You can do this by doing Command+i to get information about the
> drive.
> 
> 
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>> Okay, I have a USB drive plugged in to my iMac.  It shows up in the
> computer section just fine and I can view the files, play the files from it
> just fine.  And I can even copy files from it.  But when I try to copy
> something to it from my mac, it just bings at me.  How do I copy things to
> it, what do I change to let it know it's okay?
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Re: ZoomText on the Mac Coming Soon

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If somebody has purchased ZoomText for Windows and they want to switch to the 
Mac, will they have to buy ZoomText again or would their serial number for the 
Windows version work?  I'm asking since I'm an assistive technology instructor 
and somebody might ask me this in the future.
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On Nov 29, 2012, at 5:23 PM, "Damashe Thomas"  wrote:

> I too am a VoiceOver only user. I have spoken at length with friends of mine 
> who are low vision users though. Not to stray to far off topic for this list, 
> but by all accounts from people I know, magnification on any version of 
> windows is hardly sufficient. As was stated earlier in this thread, comparing 
> builtin windows magnification to a product like zoom text is like comparing 
> narrator to jaws.
> As for zoom text coming to the mac, if it does nothing else, it will 
> certainly be a familiar comfort for windows users who are  considering 
> switching. I say this only because someone has expressed to me their 
> hesitancy to switch because they like the features of zoom text and don't 
> think zoom on the mac gives them all thse features. The mac users who are 
> experienced with zoom may not wish to even consider zoom text, but for new or 
> those considering switching, it might be that last push for them to make the 
> complete change. I can't debate the merrits of zoom on the mac because I 
> can't see, just offering an opinion based on conversations with magnification 
> users.
> - Original Message -
> From: dhacker
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 4:13PM
> Subject: Re: ZoomText on the Mac Coming Soon
> 
> I don't think there's any reason to make that comparison, it's just not valid.
> 
> Zoom on Mac works but it's not a sophisticated product. Voiceover works and 
> it IS a sophisticated product.
> 
> Ai Squared sees an opportunity to better Zoom related features. Also, the way 
> Voiceover works may be fantastic (your mileage may vary) for blind users but 
> for users who simplyneed reading "support" it's clear that there is an 
> opportunity to build it.
> 
> Put it this way, ZT Win does very well even though there is built in Zooming 
> on Windows and sophisticated (JAWS, Windows Eyes) screen readers on the 
> market as well as decent free ones (NVDA).
> 
> 
> 
> On Thursday, November 29, 2012 4:00:43 PM UTC-5, Alex wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, that's my point. If zoom on mac compared to zoom on windows is 
>> anything like vo compared to narrator, then, as you said, there's no 
>> comparison. Can some low-vision users chime in here? Maybe us totals 
>> are missing something? 
>> 
>> On 11/29/12, Teresa Cochran  wrote: 
>> > Hi Alex, 
>> > 
>> > There's a bit of confusion here. I may get myself in trouble here, but I 
>> > will say this: the off-the-shelf accessibility on the Mac is notches more 
>> > complex than the off-the-shelf accessibility in Windows. I haven't used 
>> > Zoom 
>> > for the Mac, and don't know if it has the same magnification features as 
>> > ZoomText. Someone else can speak to that. However, if I were to choose 
>> > between Narrator for Windows and Voiceover for the Mac, there just isn't a 
>> > comparison, and I really wouldn't try. Voiceover winds hands-down. It's a 
>> > fact that there are more accessibility features in the Mac screen-reader 
>> > than for Narrator. Again, I can't speak to Zoom for Mac, so I don't know 
>> > if 
>> > the parallel for magnification is valid. 
>> > 
>> > Teresa 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Visualize whirled peas. 
>> > 
>> > On Nov 29, 2012, at 12:08 PM, Alex Hall  wrote: 
>> > 
>> >> I'm not a large print user at all, but it seems to me that saying 
>> >> windows already has zoom is like saying Narrator is already a screen 
>> >> reader. Does it read things on the screen? Sure, but comparing that to 
>> >> Voiceover is ridiculous. I hope AI Squared does well with this, I just 
>> >> don't know if it will happen. 
>> >> 
>> >> On 11/29/12, Doug Hacker  wrote: 
>> >>> Mike, 
>> >>> 
>> >>> The same is true on the Windows platform but Ai Squared does a very good 
>> >>> business there, no reason to think it would be any different on the Mac 
>> >>> side. Visually impaired Mac users want the same thing as their Windows 
>> >>> counterparts. 
>> >>> 
>> >>> - Better font smoothing 
>> >>> - Better tracking 
>> >>> - Cursor, pointer and focus enhancements 
>> >>> - Color schemes 
>> >>> - More efficient reading tools for VI users 
>> >>> 
>> >>> 
>> >>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 2:19 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote: 
>> >>> 
>>  Should be interesting to see if that sells at all, the mac already 
>>  includes zoom for magnification and voice over for reading, these can 
>>  also 
>>  be used at the same time. If people buy it, great, but they're taking a 
>>  huge gamble. 
>>  Original message: 
>> > Just to let everyone know, Ai Squared is close to releasing a version 
>> > of 
>> > ZoomText for the Mac. Fir

Re: searching in iTunes11?

[Ryan Mann]

I noticed that in iTunes 11, after I put a song in the search box, I need to 
press Enter after I finish typing the name.  I don't know why, but that's the 
only way I can get a song to play.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 1, 2012, at 9:16 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Hi all,
> I'm trying to search for an album in iTunes11. In previous versions, I'd type 
> in the name and go to the albums grid, where only results matching my search 
> would appear. Now I get a popover where my results appear, but all I see are 
> the results attached to a "add to next up" button. I just want to view the 
> album tracks, not add them to anything. What am I missing? If I escape out of 
> the popover my albums grid has all albums, and my search field is empty. 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> 
> Have a great day,
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Re: searching in iTunes11?

[Ryan Mann]

After I find the name of the Album, I need to do VO+M to open the context menu. 
Then I need to Down Arrow to Play and press Enter.


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On Dec 1, 2012, at 9:26 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Well, I feel kind of stupid. As Ryan said, pressing enter seems to do the 
> trick and filter the grid by my search terms. In previous versions this was 
> not necessary, but I'm glad to know how to do what I wanted. Interacting 
> didn't do much, though. What would I do once I interact? I could see the 
> album name, the artist, and that "add to up next" button, but that's it. I 
> tried vo-space on the album and artist, but got nowhere.
> On Dec 1, 2012, at 9:18 AM, "Daniel Miller"  wrote:
> 
>> Interact with that.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 8:16 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: searching in iTunes11?
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I'm trying to search for an album in iTunes11. In previous versions, I'd
>> type in the name and go to the albums grid, where only results matching my
>> search would appear. Now I get a popover where my results appear, but all I
>> see are the results attached to a "add to next up" button. I just want to
>> view the album tracks, not add them to anything. What am I missing? If I
>> escape out of the popover my albums grid has all albums, and my search field
>> is empty. Thanks in advance.
>> 
>> 
>> Have a great day,
>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
>> mehg...@gmail.com
>> 
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Re: Apple's event next wednesday

[Ryan Mann]

How did you get 10.6.5?  I have 10.6.4.  I ran Software Update and it told me 
my software was up to date.

On Oct 15, 2010, at 1:55 PM, Hayri Tulumcu wrote:

> in this new snow leopard 10.6.5 update, there is a fix for voiceover and 
> safari
> - Original Message - From: "Teresa Cochran" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 7:49 PM
> Subject: Re: Apple's event next wednesday
> 
> 
>> It would be great to see VO not reset itself (as mine does at least twice a 
>> day) and to have Safari and Webkit play nicely with VO in a more stable 
>> fashion. If it isn't addressed in this specific presentation, I hope it'll 
>> be addressed soon. :)
>> 
>> Teresa
>> On Oct 15, 2010, at 10:25 AM, Daniel Rowe wrote:
>>> Hi all.
>>> 
>>> As you might be aware, apple are holding a "Back To The Mac" event next 
>>> Wednesday at 10 eastern in Cupertino, California.  There are rumours of 
>>> possible upgrades to the MacBook Air and also the unveiling of MAC OS X 
>>> 10.7.
>>> So, what would you like to see included in next  version of the OS, either 
>>> generally or VoiceOver specific?
>>> 
>>> Personally, I'd like to see  a female voice that is as good as Alex, and to 
>>> have voices in other languages even if it meant licensing them from nuance 
>>> as they have done in iOS.
>>> Accessibility improvements to garage band would be welcome, as well as 
>>> making iWeb accessible.
>>> The last major thing I can think of is to finally fix the issue of VO 
>>> randomly resetting itself.
>>> 
>>> I'm sure they'll come up with a load of things I haven't even thought of. 
>>> So what do you all think?
>>> 
>>> Dannie
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Re: getting to the drop box on my Mac

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Yes, you need a Dropbox account.  Go to dropbox.com and download the mac 
application.  When you run the application, you will have an opportunity to 
create an account.  After that, everything you put into the Dropbox folder will 
be uploaded to your account on dropbox.com.  I don't know how to send a link 
because I haven't had to do that yet.

On Oct 23, 2010, at 10:40 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> Well, what I really wanted to do is to place a file in to the drop Box folder 
> and then be able to send a link to that to someone so that, if they click on 
> a link in my e-mail, they can just download the file.  Is that how this 
> works, or have I got something wrong?
> 
>  Do I need an actual drop box account for this; or, is this built in?  
> 
> Sincerely, 
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype Name:
> barefootedray
> 
> On Oct 23, 2010, at 9:09 PM, Allison Manzino wrote:
> 
>> Hi Ray,
>> 
>> What do you mean by the link? DO you mena copying the public link from 
>> things you have placed in your dropbox. If you want to get to the Dropbox 
>> folder itself, just go to finder and type D R. This should bring you to the 
>> dropbox folder, Hit Command O on that and then type P U. This should bring 
>> you to the public folder. I hope this is what you were asking. If not, I'll 
>> try again.
>> 
>> Musically,
>> Allison
>> 
>> My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 23, 2010, at 9:41 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> A while ago, there was a discussion on how to get to the drop box link on 
>>> the Mac.  Can someone remidn me how to do this?
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely, 
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>> 
>>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>> 
>>> Skype Name:
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Re: getting to the drop box on my Mac

[Ryan Mann]

I was able to get through the install without sighted assistance.  I don't 
remember exactly how I did it.  However, I know that in order to click some of 
the buttons, I had to hit control+vo+f5 to put the mouse cursor to the 
VoiceOver cursor.  Then I had to hit control+vo+space to click the buttons 
instead of just vo+space.  I think I had to interact with either a scroll area 
or an "unknown" to find some of the buttons.

On Oct 23, 2010, at 11:07 PM, Allison Manzino wrote:

> Hi Ray,
> 
> Oh, i'm sorry, I thought you had a Dropbox account. Yes, you will need to go 
> http://www.getdropbox.com
> 
> 
> Once there, download the Dropbox for the Mac and then install it. This can be 
> tricky, so you might need sighted assistance for this. Frown, the hardest 
> part about the install is getting to the continue button after Dropbox has 
> installed and asked you to create an account. I'm not sure why this is so 
> difficult, but it is. ANyway once it is installed, it will be  in the finder 
> as I described in my previous message. Once you have it installed, you can 
> just copy and paste files to the public folder within your dropbox. All you 
> need to do to link to a file you have placed there is  go in the public 
> folder and interact with the table. Select the file you want and  THen hit VO 
> shift M as in Mary  and go to dropbox submenu. Hit VO Space and then  arrow 
> down till you get to copy public link. Hit enter and then you can just paste 
> the link that is copied in to your message. You can of course insert  a link 
> by using command K. I hope this has helped. Have a wonderful evening.
> 
> Musically,
> Allison
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> 
> 
> On Oct 23, 2010, at 10:40 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
> 
>> Well, what I really wanted to do is to place a file in to the drop Box 
>> folder and then be able to send a link to that to someone so that, if they 
>> click on a link in my e-mail, they can just download the file.  Is that how 
>> this works, or have I got something wrong?
>> 
>>  Do I need an actual drop box account for this; or, is this built in?  
>> 
>> Sincerely, 
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> 
>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>> 
>> Skype Name:
>> barefootedray
>> 
>> On Oct 23, 2010, at 9:09 PM, Allison Manzino wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Ray,
>>> 
>>> What do you mean by the link? DO you mena copying the public link from 
>>> things you have placed in your dropbox. If you want to get to the Dropbox 
>>> folder itself, just go to finder and type D R. This should bring you to the 
>>> dropbox folder, Hit Command O on that and then type P U. This should bring 
>>> you to the public folder. I hope this is what you were asking. If not, I'll 
>>> try again.
>>> 
>>> Musically,
>>> Allison
>>> 
>>> My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 23, 2010, at 9:41 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> A while ago, there was a discussion on how to get to the drop box link on 
>>>> the Mac.  Can someone remidn me how to do this?
>>>> 
>>>> thanks.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sincerely, 
>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>> 
>>>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>>> 
>>>> Skype Name:
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Re: Microsoft Office 2011 period

[Ryan Mann]

Are you sure that was the correct link for the ruby-doc.zip file?  I tried it 
and got a 404 error.
Thanks.

On Oct 26, 2010, at 7:54 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> Am I writing to a puzzle freak?  Because if you really enjoy puzzles I'll 
> make a couple suggestions which will enable you to stick a fork in that 
> counsellor.  The ruby scripting language is available for the mac probably in 
> the development tree.  I installed the development tree but the mac isn't 
> plugged up now so will have to go check this out later.  The documentation in 
> html form for ruby is at http://ruby-doc.org/ and it's a scripting language.  
> So if you can write bash scripts you can learn to write ruby scripts.  
> Additionally, http://www.empowermentzone.com/ruby-doc.zip has a bunch of ruby 
> books in it you can read through and learn from.  ruby is in demand these 
> days. Another web site http://www.rentacoder.com has people on it that offer 
> programming work and bid on projects.  Many people from India on that site 
> you'll be bidding against, but for a while you'll need practice after picking 
> up the language so will do well to undercut your competition.  If you manage 
> to get a good reputation, then work and money will find you. At that time, 
> you may have enough money from doing the other work to enable further 
> technology exploration. On Tue, 26 Oct 2010, Carolyn Haas wrote:
> 
>> Heather:  I share your prospective.  I just met with a rehab counsellor who 
>> insists that there's really no place for the Mac in the work world.  (she 
>> also insists that since I'm doing ok with my Mac, I don't need a braille 
>> display.  Guess that's what I get for trying topfunction and be a part of a 
>> new solution.:)
>> 
>> This counsellor actually suggested I might want to move somewhere where they 
>> have the money and clientele to afford to keep up with the new technologies.
>> She also basically said no one is going to pay me to do this kind of 
>> exploration of helping discover and working toward of improvement of 
>> alternative technologies.  So, I feel more and more like it's mac-vs-pc, and 
>> conform to the old ways, or you're on your own.  Sorry for venting. Thanks 
>> for reading.
>> 
>> 
>> Carolyn Haas
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 26, 2010, at 3:12 PM, heather kd5cbl wrote:
>> 
>>> Bill is responsible for that robot they call narrator and he claims windows 
>>> is accessible.  While our friends at Apple, actually have a real 
>>> screenreader built in to their system.  So, Bill is not doing anyone any 
>>> favors by making us, windows users,  go out an by screenreaders worth more 
>>> than their pc computers.  I want to put a blind fold over his eyes and make 
>>> him use his own computer with just narrator, I am sure he would not get 
>>> very far!  Also, anyone who has to use word 2010 with jaws, has to by 
>>> another msa or their job has too.  And the mac users with voiceover, cant 
>>> use it at all. So he is an easy target.  Otherwise, he would have wised up 
>>> a long time ago and had his own built in speech for windows but, he just 
>>> does not care.  I am starting to use open office and pages more and the 
>>> msword does not matter that much anymore.  Heather
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See if these videos work with Click to Flash

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OK, I've installed the Click to Flash extension hoping I would play videos at 
the following site:
http://www.freespeech.org/videos-demand
After I follow the link to one of the videos, I don't find this toolbar that 
everybody keeps talking about to play the video.  Maybe I'm doing something 
wrong.
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Re: accessibility of MacBook Air

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Re: accessibility of MacBook Air

[Ryan Mann]

So when the next OS after Snow Leopard comes out, you could ask for the OS on a 
USB flash drive instead of DVD?

On Nov 7, 2010, at 8:36 PM, Kaare Dehard wrote:

> comes with a usb drive with the os on it for restore.
> On 2010-11-07, at 8:32 PM, Ryan Mann wrote:
> 
>> Since you don't have a CD drive, how would you upgrade the operating system? 
>>  If it was me, I wouldn't want to have to go without whatever new VoiceOver 
>> features are in the next cat.
>> 
>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 8:27 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>> 
>>> I rarely use a CD drive, other than when at home.  So yes, if I needed to 
>>> use one, it would have to be an external.  Also, if you get an 11 inch 
>>> which is what I have, you will need a card reader; the 13 inchers have that 
>>> built in but weight almost a pound more.  This old blind lady wants 
>>> lightweight in her dottage, smile!
>>> 
>>> Gotta go and eat some yummy chicken and drink some delicious wine!
>>> 
>>> Marlaina
>>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 5:05 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh nice. I do have a question though. No cd drive so I hear so I'm guessing 
>>> you use an external? I'm just curious in case I want to save for one at 
>>> class and leave my mbp at home. or what not.
>>> 
>>> S
>>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 4:46 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Yah; I never said it was inexpensive, smile.  I sold my iPad to get it.  
>>>> It does for me what  I 
>>>> had hoped the iPad would do.  but for me, Pages on iPad was really hinky, 
>>>> and sometimes my bt keyboard would just quit or other times the battery 
>>>> would be dead.  Pages told me after every character I typed that the word 
>>>> was miss spelled.  So if I wrote the word dog, instead of hearing d o g or 
>>>> dog, I'd hear word miss spelled word miss spelled word miss spelled.  I 
>>>> even turned off auto correction and still had the same problem.  I really 
>>>> wanted something light and reliable for business travel and this Air Book, 
>>>> as I like to call it, is just the thing.  The battery lasts me about 6 
>>>> hours with VO echoing words as I type, and most of that time being typing 
>>>> time not reading time.  
>>>> 
>>>> Marlaina
>>>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 4:34 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> OH nice, but if apple says it is going  to make it like the pc netbook the 
>>>> price is sure wrong. the average netbook is around $300 the macbook air is 
>>>> about $1000. But glad you like the air. I want to  try one one day. They 
>>>> sound cool for quick things like note taking in class o what not.
>>>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I am typing this message on a MacBook Air while flying home from Reno, NV 
>>>>> where yesterday, I used that same MacBook Air to take 9 hours worth of 
>>>>> minutes during the American Council of the Blind Board Meeting.  I am ACB 
>>>>> Secretary, and this machine performs just like my MacBook Pro but without 
>>>>> all the weight.  I got the 11 inch size and it is absolutely wonderful.
>>>>>   
>>>>> 
>>>>> Marlaina Lieberg
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1guide...@gmail.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 6, 2010, at 8:42 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> The Macbook Air runs OS X Snow Leopard. It should be just as accessible 
>>>>> as any other Macbook.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Kevin
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Re: accessibility of MacBook Air

[Ryan Mann]

I don't think the Macbook Air would come with an OS that hasn't come out yet.  
In order for that to happen, you would need to have a time machine that could 
forward you to whenever 10.7, 10.8, ETC is released.
LOL

On Nov 7, 2010, at 8:46 PM, Kaare Dehard wrote:

> think but not sure I read that the new air came with a flash drive version, 
> but not certain if they had the plans to extend it to other places or not...
> On 2010-11-07, at 8:39 PM, Ryan Mann wrote:
> 
>> So when the next OS after Snow Leopard comes out, you could ask for the OS 
>> on a USB flash drive instead of DVD?
>> 
>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 8:36 PM, Kaare Dehard wrote:
>> 
>>> comes with a usb drive with the os on it for restore.
>>> On 2010-11-07, at 8:32 PM, Ryan Mann wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Since you don't have a CD drive, how would you upgrade the operating 
>>>> system?  If it was me, I wouldn't want to have to go without whatever new 
>>>> VoiceOver features are in the next cat.
>>>> 
>>>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 8:27 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I rarely use a CD drive, other than when at home.  So yes, if I needed to 
>>>>> use one, it would have to be an external.  Also, if you get an 11 inch 
>>>>> which is what I have, you will need a card reader; the 13 inchers have 
>>>>> that built in but weight almost a pound more.  This old blind lady wants 
>>>>> lightweight in her dottage, smile!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Gotta go and eat some yummy chicken and drink some delicious wine!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Marlaina
>>>>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 5:05 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Oh nice. I do have a question though. No cd drive so I hear so I'm 
>>>>> guessing you use an external? I'm just curious in case I want to save for 
>>>>> one at class and leave my mbp at home. or what not.
>>>>> 
>>>>> S
>>>>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 4:46 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yah; I never said it was inexpensive, smile.  I sold my iPad to get it.  
>>>>>> It does for me what  I 
>>>>>> had hoped the iPad would do.  but for me, Pages on iPad was really 
>>>>>> hinky, and sometimes my bt keyboard would just quit or other times the 
>>>>>> battery would be dead.  Pages told me after every character I typed that 
>>>>>> the word was miss spelled.  So if I wrote the word dog, instead of 
>>>>>> hearing d o g or dog, I'd hear word miss spelled word miss spelled word 
>>>>>> miss spelled.  I even turned off auto correction and still had the same 
>>>>>> problem.  I really wanted something light and reliable for business 
>>>>>> travel and this Air Book, as I like to call it, is just the thing.  The 
>>>>>> battery lasts me about 6 hours with VO echoing words as I type, and most 
>>>>>> of that time being typing time not reading time.  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Marlaina
>>>>>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 4:34 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> OH nice, but if apple says it is going  to make it like the pc netbook 
>>>>>> the price is sure wrong. the average netbook is around $300 the macbook 
>>>>>> air is about $1000. But glad you like the air. I want to  try one one 
>>>>>> day. They sound cool for quick things like note taking in class o what 
>>>>>> not.
>>>>>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I am typing this message on a MacBook Air while flying home from Reno, 
>>>>>>> NV where yesterday, I used that same MacBook Air to take 9 hours worth 
>>>>>>> of minutes during the American Council of the Blind Board Meeting.  I 
>>>>>>> am ACB Secretary, and this machine performs just like my MacBook Pro 
>>>>>>> but without all the weight.  I got the 11 inch size and it is 
>>>>>>> absolutely wonderful.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Marlaina Lieberg
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 1guide...@gmail.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Nov 6, 2010, at 8:42 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>

Re: speakers for the i-phone/mb pro.

[Ryan Mann]

The store section of Apple's web site has a section for speakers.  I baught the 
iHome iHM79 rechargeable Mini Speakers.  I've had them for a few weeks and so 
far, they work great.

 
On Nov 13, 2010, at 3:09 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> I used a pair of jbl on tour speakers and I loved them. nice and loud for 
> there size.
> 
> S
> On Nov 12, 2010, at 10:03 PM, heather kd5cbl wrote:
> 
>> Oh I have the set from Bose, they work great.  There about 6 years old and I 
>> have never had any problems with them god willing, they will last another 
>> six years!  Heather 
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Re: speakers for the i-phone/mb pro.

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If you're looking for speakers for your IPhone, I would recommend the iHome 
iHM79 rechargeable Mini.  They are battery operated.  If I need to recharge 
them, all I have to do is hook them up to the USB port on my computer.
On Nov 13, 2010, at 2:43 PM, Allison Manzino wrote:

> Hi Chenell,
> 
> I am also looking for speakers for my Iphone as I take it in the kitchen a 
> lot and listen to music. DOes any one know how the JBL Duet speakers are 
> powered? THey said they use mains power. Is that a wall outlet? Thank you in 
> advance.
> 
> Cheerfully,
> Allison
> 
> My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!
> 
> 
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> 
>> Oh I have the set from Bose, they work great.  There about 6 years old and I 
>> have never had any problems with them god willing, they will last another 
>> six years!  Heather 
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Re: accessibility of MacBook Air

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Re: accessibility of MacBook Air

[Ryan Mann]

I guess some do and some don't.  Somebody I knew burned music to a rewriteable 
CD and it wouldn't play in their CD player.  CD-r disks worked fine.

On Nov 13, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:

> hmmm.
> thats weird. I have a cd player here that handles rewritables just fine. and 
> its over 7 years old. of course, its a phillips (which may explain things).
> 
> -Eric
> 
> On Nov 13, 2010, at 1:26 PM, Ryan Mann wrote:
> 
>> Rewriteable CD's won't work in CD players, so if you need to burn music that 
>> will play in all CD players, you better not use rewriteable CD's for that.
>> 
>> On Nov 13, 2010, at 2:58 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
>> 
>>> there is always re-writable c.d.'s. they are just as good and you can reuse 
>>> them. :)
>>> 
>>> -Eric
>>> 
>>> On Nov 13, 2010, at 12:56 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>> 
>>>> but, I still need to burn cds for church when I sing there or what not. 
>>>> they will not have a flash drive thing for there machine. they expect cds 
>>>> so in a way cds won't be going out the window just yet.
>>>> 
>>>> S
>>>> On Nov 13, 2010, at 2:01 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> In my opinion its a good trade off less size and weight for no optical 
>>>>> drive.  Those things are going the way of the cassette tape and 3.5 
>>>>> floppy. :).  I mean.  People are streaming video, downloading music and 
>>>>> applications so what purpose will the CD-Rom drive have in say 3 years?  
>>>>> I think Apple has just beaten the market to the punch in the exclusion of 
>>>>> the optical drive.  You will see other computer makers do the same.  
>>>>> Don't be surprised if the new MBPs don't have them either.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ricardo Walker
>>>>> rwalker...@gmail.com
>>>>> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
>>>>> Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 13, 2010, at 3:27 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> The air has an internal SSD drive but no external cd rom.  You can do 
>>>>>> that over the network though or use an exteranal CD.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Nov 12, 2010, at 7:07 PM, Carolyn Haas wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi Sonnia and Marlaina:
>>>>>>> I'm finding something a little different and am interested in your 
>>>>>>> comments.  What I find is a lot of the ltters I type are there, but are 
>>>>>>> not echoed if I type quickly.  I've gone back many a time to look if a 
>>>>>>> letter that wasn't spoken was missing, and it was there, just not 
>>>>>>> spoken.  
>>>>>>> Poor Alex, getting picked on all over the place.:)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So, are you saying the Air doesn't have a disk drive?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Nov 12, 2010, at 4:00 PM, Sonnia wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi Marlaina! The problem of missing letters (or rather vo not keeping
>>>>>>>> up with your typing) is the exact problem i have with my macbook pro. :
>>>>>>>> ( I guess like you, i must either slow down or do tons of editing. I
>>>>>>>> had wanted a macbook air but when i went to the apple store, the
>>>>>>>> gentleman tried his level best to convince me that for a student in
>>>>>>>> that price range, the pro was best. So thats what i got but i don't
>>>>>>>> mind switching it for an air lol. (oooh please no hurt feelings to my
>>>>>>>> pro, it's served me well.) :) The fact it doesn't have a cd drive is a
>>>>>>>> bit annoying but not a deal breaker b/c you can get an external drive
>>>>>>>> for a decent price at lots of electronic stores. When i was mac
>>>>>>>> shopping though there wasn't a 11 inch air available though *frowns* i
>>>>>>>> would have pushed to buy it no matter what the rep had said hahaha.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I so love how quickly my Air powers up for me.  It mak

adding web page to desktop with VoiceOver

[Ryan Mann]

I have a web page that links to a radio stream.  I would like to add a shortcut 
to the web page on the desktop.  I googled and found a page telling me how to 
add web pages to the desktop.  The only problem is that the instructions were 
to drag the page from the title bar of Safari to the desktop.  How would I do 
this using VoiceOver and the keyboard?  In case anybody is inerested, the web 
page I want to add to the desktop is http://headonradionetwork.com/wmp_hiq.php.
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Re: Double-Spacing and changing font with TextEdit

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When you open TextEdit, don't interact with the edit field.  Hit vo+left arrow 
until you hear "rooler."  Then interact with the rooler.  After you interact 
with the ruler, Vo left or right arrow until you find the paragraph and line 
spacing menu.  After that, vo+space to open that menu.  Then down arrow until 
it says double space and press enter.
On Dec 4, 2010, at 2:45 PM, Brianna Snyder wrote:

> Hi Colin, 
> 
> Thanks, that'll definitely help. But...I can't find the ruler. When I open 
> TextEdit, I'm interacting with the edit field. When I uninteract with that, I 
> see the regular close, zoom, minimize buttons, and I see untitled, and the 
> edit text field. 
> Where is the ruler located? I have seen it before, I just don't know how I 
> got to it. 
> Maybe there's a command I'm missing or something. 
> 
> Thanks for your help, 
> Brianna
> On Dec 4, 2010, at 2:10 PM, Colin M wrote:
> 
>> Hi Brianna!
>> When you've opened a new text edit window scroll to the ruler and interact 
>> with it vo+space+down arrow or with quick nav just press down the down+right 
>> arrows together and in there is a menu to change line spacing  and other 
>> stuff!
>> when you are done just stop interacting with vo+space+up arrow or with quick 
>> nav left and down arrows together!
>> there is a command to bring up fonts command+t how you use it I'm not sure!
>> hth Colin
>> On 4 Dec 2010, at 18:52, Brianna Snyder wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi, 
>>> 
>>> I just got a MacBook Pro about three weeks or so ago. I love everything 
>>> about it, all except one thing. 
>>> What I'm primarily using my window PC for now is writing papers.  This is 
>>> because I can't figure out how to change the spacing to double, and the 
>>> font to times new Roman, and to size 12 from within TextEdit. I know that 
>>> the font changing can be done with the format menu, I think, but I'm not 
>>> sure how to do that, and save those changes to the document I'm working on. 
>>> What I'm not sure can be done is double-spacing. If so, can anyone tell me 
>>> how to do this, and how to change the font? 
>>> 
>>> Thanks, 
>>> Brianna 
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Re: A few questions for this Imac newbie

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I would like to add that in SnowLeopard, if you turn Quick Nav on, you  
don't have to hold down the control and option keys to navigate web  
pages.  What I mean is that instead of holding down the control and  
option keys with the arrow keys, you can just use the left and right  
arrow keys by themselves to navigate web pages.

On Oct 2, 2009, at 8:49 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

>
> Hi again,
>
> I completely forgot to mention this about the Mac acting quirky. This
> applies mostly to Macbook users, though. They would probably be using
> the "Sleep" function the most. If you put it to sleep, it will
> sometimes have interesting effects. Stuff might act quirky. Sometimes.
>
> Regards,
> Nic
>
>> On Oct 3, 2009, at 2:44 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> To your first question
>>>
>>> No, it is not necessary to restart any of the Macintosh computers
>>> unless an update requires it. Mine has been on for at least an
>>> entire month now without a restart, and it works perfectly fine as
>>> if it had just booted up.
>>>
>>> Secondly, keeping your iPod Touch connected all the time should not
>>> be a problem. In fact, it'll probably benefit you if you have been
>>> using it. I believe it will charge it.
>>>
>>> Third, in my case it has always seemed using the regular VoiceOver
>>> navigation keys (Vo-left and right arrow) work better. I have
>>> noticed that with some pages, using the up and down arrow keys
>>> doesn't always work, so I would recommend the VO approach. You can
>>> use shift-up, down, left or right arrow to select lines and
>>> characters respectively on a web page. Holding down the control key
>>> in conjunction with either shift-left or right arrow will highlight
>>> from your current position to the beginning of a line, or the end
>>> of a line, respectively. This seems to be working in most areas
>>> where there is a text field, or HTML content. For some reason, it's
>>> not always possible to navigate by utilizing the arrow key
>>> approach, however.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Nic
>>> On Oct 3, 2009, at 2:32 AM, Lynn Schneider wrote:
>>>

 Hi there.  Words cannot express how thankful I am for this list and
 the many great podcasts out there which helped me make the
 transition
 to the Mac.  I do have a few questions that I cannot find the
 answers
 to in the documentation.

 First, is it necessary to periodically restart my Imac?  I know in
 Windows, if I didn't periodically do a restart, things would get
 sort
 of gummed up and eventually the PC would get really slow, so I just
 got in the habit of doing a restart every day.

 Secondly, since the USB ports are in the back of the computer in a
 somewhat difficult spot, can I just keep the USB cable for my iPod
 Touch connected all the time?

 Thirdly, I'm struggling a bit with the web and was hoping you guys
 could pass along some suggestions.  I actually crashed Safari
 yesterday and had to do a force quit.  I seem to be able to find
 links
 on the web pages, but cannot seem to be able to arrow up and down  
 to
 find text, even when I lock the VO keys.  I have tried DOM mode.
 Maybe I should use groups mode?  Which do you all prefer and why?

 Thanks in advance for any assistance you can provide.

>>>
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Bookshare and Olearia

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Hello.  There is a mac Daisy reader called Olaria.  I thought it it  
supported Bookshare books, so I downloaded it and tried it on a  
Bookshare book I just downloaded.  Whenever I try to open the  
Bookshare book with Olaria, a dialog box pops up that says that the  
book is missing an audio file.  Bookshare books don't have audio  
files.  They are text only.  Is this a bug in Olaria or is something  
wrong with the book?  I will list the files that came in the .zip file.
End_The_Fed.ncx
End_The_Fed.opf
End_The_Fed.xml
End_The_Fed1.smil
End_The_Fed2.smil

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Bookshare and Olearia again

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Hello.  I had copied the files for the book to another folder and I  
found out that I didn't copy all of the files.  Therefore, I unzipped  
the files to the folder and tried to use Olearia again to read the  
book.  I still get the message about not being to load an audio file.   
The files for this book are:
End_The_Fed.ncx
End_The_Fed.opf
End_The_Fed.xml
End_The_Fed1.smil
End_The_Fed2.smil
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tip for reading Bookshare books on Mac OS 10

[Ryan Mann]

Hello.  I thought some people might want to know that I found a way to  
read Bookshare books on Mac OS 10.  You could do the following:
1.  Unzip the book.  I just use the unzip command from terminal.
2.  From Finder, go into whatever folder you unzipped the Bookshare  
book into.
3.  There should be a file with an .xml extension.  Vo+downarrow to  
the file.  If Quicknav is on, you can just hit down_arrow.
4.  Once the cursor is on the file with the .xml extension, Hit vo 
+shift+m.  Then arrow down to "open with"
5.  Hit right_arrow to go into the "open with" submenu.  Select Safari.
Safari should display the file like it does a normal web page.  You  
can use the normal VoiceOver navigation commands to go heading by  
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Re: installing sl

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Hello.  All I did to install Snow Leopard is:
1.  With Leopard running, put the Snow Leopard DVD in.
2.  Run the application on the DVD that was called Install Mac OS 10  
or something like that.
3.  After the install was finished, the computer restarted.
I didn't lose any of my applications, music or anything.

On Oct 20, 2009, at 9:34 AM, May McDonald wrote:

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> Good morning everyone.  I will be getting my copy of sl this afternoon
> and was wondering what I need to do to install it?  Do I need to
> backup anything?  Thanks.
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Re: installed sl

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Hello.  You usually can open the VoiceOver utility by hitting control 
+option+f8.  You may have to add the FN key, so in that case it would  
be fn+control+option+f8.  You can also change some speach settings on  
the fly by holding down the control+option+command with the arrows.   
For example, if You wanted to change the rate, you would hold down  
control+option+command with rightarrow until you heard rate.  Then you  
would hold down the control+option+command with up or downarrows to  
change the rate.

On Oct 20, 2009, at 10:46 PM, May McDonald wrote:

>
> Ok, after a few wrong starts I now have sl installed.  Heheheeh, now
> ho in the heck do I find the voice over utility so I can slow down the
> speech, lol.  It's talking faster than how I had it set.  I'm only a
> tiny bit lost, smile.
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Re: my 2 months with a mac

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Hello.  Whenever you want to find some text on a web page, you can  
press control+option+f to open the Voiceover find dialog.  Then type  
what you want to find and press enter.

On Oct 21, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:

>
> Hi Anne,
>
> Thanks for these tips. I do use the web rotor and the item chooser,
> and I do find that they often help. I have also set a keypad commander
> shortcut to switch between dom and groups mode--thanks, Mike Arrigo, I
> stole that idea from your podcast. All these things do help, bu I
> still find browsing faster in windows, especially if I'm looking for
> one specific thing, and that thing happens to be text rather than a
> link.  I'm not giving up yet, though. :)  Like I said, because of my
> current work demands, I'll be running both OSes for a while anyway, so
> I'll just keep plugging away at the Mac and see how things evolve.
> Take care,
> Donna
>
> On Oct 21, 2009, at 12:30 PM, Anne Robertson wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello Donna,
>>
>> There are several commands that make web-browsing easier on the Mac.
>>
>> First, you have the Web Rotor (VO-U), which you can use to look at
>> headers, links, auto web spots, and so on. I use the Headers menu  
>> when
>> reading articles from New SCientist. I go to the Headers menu and  
>> type
>> "1" which takes me directly to the start of the article. I press VO-
>> Space to go to that header, then VO-A to read the whole article.
>>
>> You then have the Item Chooser (VO-I). This is very useful if you  
>> know
>> some of the text you're looking for. Just type a few letters and the
>> number of items in the menu is reduced drastically to those  
>> containing
>> the letters you've entered. Once again, VO-Space will put you in the
>> right field.
>>
>> Then you can set a short-cut to switch between DOM and Groups mode.
>> For normal purposes, I prefer Groups mode, but for reading articles,
>> DOM works much better as it reads all links where they appear in the
>> text, whereas Groups mode puts all the links within one group at the
>> end of that group which often adds up to complete nonsense.
>>
>> You then have all the other navigation features such as jumping from
>> header to header, visited link to visited link, etc.
>>
>> The habit that all previous Windows users have to break is that of
>> tabbing around all the time. When you first start using VO, you  
>> should
>> forget that the Tab key exists and learn to live without it. Once
>> you're familiar with the Mac and VO, tabbing can be very useful, but
>> at the beginning, it's a great way of getting nowhere!
>>
>> I've never been a Windows user, so I'm no good at answering questions
>> that relate to Windows, but I've been using Macs for around 13 years
>> (I used OutSpoken before VoiceOver came out). I'm a translator, so I
>> have to use the Internet for research all the time and I find it very
>> quick and easy. I have no sight at all, so I'm not cheating by  
>> looking
>> at the screen!
>>
>> I hope this brief explanation is of use to you.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Anne
>>
>>
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>>
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Re: my 2 months with a mac

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Hello.  If you're running Snow Leopard and you have Voiceover set to  
allow it to be controled by Apple Script, you can hit option+t to  
check the time.

On Oct 21, 2009, at 8:16 PM, peter apgar wrote:

>
> well said all,
>
>   there are several cool factors for the mac os.  one of which is the
> fact that we don't have to pay extra for the accessibility.  however
> the largest down fall is the majority of work places do not support
> OSX.  for this reason alone i only have limited time to explore its
> virtues.  i will second  the same issues that Donna posted
> previously.  additionally i have found that  there is a lot more
> interaction for simple tasks.  double the key strokes for the same
> actions as in ms is just a minor peev.  i am quite worried that
> running two or possibly three systems may become overwhelming when
> begining a graduate program.  i guess only time will tell.  has any
> one written code for a quick check of the time?
>
> Have good evening,
>
> Pete
> On Oct 21, 2009, at 11:51 AM, May McDonald wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi all, I guess I'll jump in on this thread as well.  I haven't had  
>> my
>> mac for 2 months yet, but pretty close.
>>
>> I'm amazed that I was able to make the switch so easily to the mac.
>> In fact, now whenever I have to use a windows machine I finder it a
>> little harder to think of the windows commands because they aren't
>> used by me all the time anymore, smile.
>>
>> I will be putting windows 7 on this mac but again it won't be used  
>> all
>> the time, only for scanning because I liked my scanning software for
>> windows and to play games.  Other than that, it will be hidden behind
>> mac.
>>
>> I'm glad I made the switch and now go back to the basics and figure
>> out how sly and vo work, lol.
>> On 2009-10-21, at 8:41 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Wow, Nic, you are a determined soul! :)  I'm glad that after all you
>>> had to go through with the install, the Mac turned out to suit your
>>> needs.
>>>
>>> You people who have taken so readily to web-browsing on the Mac,
>>> fascinate me.  I keep playing with it, hoping to come to the same
>>> conclusion, but it just doesn't happen.  For example, I am currently
>>> job-hunting, and the other night, received a job match from a site I
>>> am registered with.  When  Safari loaded the page and auto-read, it
>>> read everything just as you would expect.  But then, I decided I
>>> wanted to take a second look at the preferred qualifications. I
>>> couldn't find them to save my soul! I arrowed around, I interacted
>>> with stuff, and nothing.  So, I booted up my Pc, went into IE, and
>>> found what I was looking for in two seconds. And I still have no  
>>> clue
>>> what I should have done to locate that info in Safari.  I often feel
>>> like because of all the interacting and stuff, that viewing a  
>>> webpage
>>> in Safari is like looking at it through tinted glass or through a
>>> veil
>>> that only lets you see the outline of what you're looking at.  Links
>>> of course are no problem, it's the text content that is often very
>>> difficult to locate.
>>>
>>> I highly recommend the iphone, I've found it to be a delightful
>>> little
>>> toy, um, I mean, device. *grin*
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 11:03 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>>>

 Hi,

 Definitely quite an interesting story.

 I got my Mac on August 1. It was actually an odd experience. I went
 to
 an Apple store a couple weeks prior to my purchase just to try it
 out.
 I had attempted to use OS X 10.4, Tiger in the past at an institute
 for the blind, but I actually didn't like it. I thought it was  
 quite
 literally a pile of crap.

 I start listening to podcasts that sighted and blind users have  
 done
 for the Macintosh, and figure I'll give it another shot. I finally
 decided to purchase a Mac, because I had frankly become extremely
 frustrated with Windows and most certainly Vista. XP has always  
 been
 my favorite if I do have to use Windows. I'd become tired of how
 many
 things you needed for Windows to work efficiently. Sometimes you  
 had
 to worry about corrupted files, leftovers from previously installed
 applications, that sort of thing not to mention the registry. The
 headache.

 So I decided to take the plunge.

 I read through the entire VoiceOver manual the day before I went
 back
 to the store, and wrote down notes for the things I figured I'd
 mostly
 be using for a while. When I arrived at the store, I went to try it
 out again to make sure a Mac would be what I desired. It definitely
 was. So much that, in fact, that even though they only had a
 showroom
 floor model at the time, I grabbed it. The cleaned it off
 thoroughly,
 wrapped it up and tossed the DVDs I'd need in the box. I was happy.
 So
 very happy.

 I arrive home, an

Re: my 2 months with a mac

[Ryan Mann]

You can see the commands that are set up by default by doing the  
following:
1.  Open VoiceOver utility.
2.  Interact with the Utility categories table and vo+downarrow to the  
commands category, then stop interacting.
3.  Select the Keyboard tab.
4.  Vo+rightarrow and you should hear a checkbox to enable keyboard  
commander.  Check that box.
5.  Vo+rightarrow again and you should hear "keyboard commander  
table."  Interact with that table.  After you interact with that  
table, you should be able to use the usual VoiceOver navigation  
commands to hear what commands are set.
n Oct 21, 2009, at 10:50 PM, May McDonald wrote:

>
> Hmm, that's really good to know.  Is there a place where I can find
> other commands the apple script has?  I guess I'll go check that
> option now.
> On 2009-10-21, at 7:27 PM, Ryan Mann wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello.  If you're running Snow Leopard and you have Voiceover set to
>> allow it to be controled by Apple Script, you can hit option+t to
>> check the time.
>>
>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 8:16 PM, peter apgar wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> well said all,
>>>
>>> there are several cool factors for the mac os.  one of which is the
>>> fact that we don't have to pay extra for the accessibility.  however
>>> the largest down fall is the majority of work places do not support
>>> OSX.  for this reason alone i only have limited time to explore its
>>> virtues.  i will second  the same issues that Donna posted
>>> previously.  additionally i have found that  there is a lot more
>>> interaction for simple tasks.  double the key strokes for the same
>>> actions as in ms is just a minor peev.  i am quite worried that
>>> running two or possibly three systems may become overwhelming when
>>> begining a graduate program.  i guess only time will tell.  has any
>>> one written code for a quick check of the time?
>>>
>>> Have good evening,
>>>
>>> Pete
>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 11:51 AM, May McDonald wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi all, I guess I'll jump in on this thread as well.  I haven't had
>>>> my
>>>> mac for 2 months yet, but pretty close.
>>>>
>>>> I'm amazed that I was able to make the switch so easily to the mac.
>>>> In fact, now whenever I have to use a windows machine I finder it a
>>>> little harder to think of the windows commands because they aren't
>>>> used by me all the time anymore, smile.
>>>>
>>>> I will be putting windows 7 on this mac but again it won't be used
>>>> all
>>>> the time, only for scanning because I liked my scanning software  
>>>> for
>>>> windows and to play games.  Other than that, it will be hidden
>>>> behind
>>>> mac.
>>>>
>>>> I'm glad I made the switch and now go back to the basics and figure
>>>> out how sly and vo work, lol.
>>>> On 2009-10-21, at 8:41 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Wow, Nic, you are a determined soul! :)  I'm glad that after all
>>>>> you
>>>>> had to go through with the install, the Mac turned out to suit  
>>>>> your
>>>>> needs.
>>>>>
>>>>> You people who have taken so readily to web-browsing on the Mac,
>>>>> fascinate me.  I keep playing with it, hoping to come to the same
>>>>> conclusion, but it just doesn't happen.  For example, I am
>>>>> currently
>>>>> job-hunting, and the other night, received a job match from a
>>>>> site I
>>>>> am registered with.  When  Safari loaded the page and auto-read,  
>>>>> it
>>>>> read everything just as you would expect.  But then, I decided I
>>>>> wanted to take a second look at the preferred qualifications. I
>>>>> couldn't find them to save my soul! I arrowed around, I interacted
>>>>> with stuff, and nothing.  So, I booted up my Pc, went into IE, and
>>>>> found what I was looking for in two seconds. And I still have no
>>>>> clue
>>>>> what I should have done to locate that info in Safari.  I often
>>>>> feel
>>>>> like because of all the interacting and stuff, that viewing a
>>>>> webpage
>>>>> in Safari is like looking at it through tinted glass or through a
>>>>> veil
>>>>> that only lets you see the outline

Re: Reading Braille files with the Mac

[Ryan Mann]

Hello.  You say that you are trying to read Bookshare books.  I  
previously posted instructions on how to read the Daisy versions of  
Bookshare books.  Let me know if you want those instructions again.
Ryan

On Oct 26, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Lindsay Yazzolino wrote:

>
> Thanks for the suggestions. I am trying to read  Bookshare books, and
> have not had much luck.
>
> On 10/26/09, erik burggraaf  wrote:
>>
>> Hum,  some one must try that at some point and see how it works out.
>> I've always found duxbury for windows to be extremely benighted and
>> not much fun, and I wouldn't want to pay the $1000 or so they are
>> asking isn't it somewhere around there?  Could be a bit cheeper now.
>> But just to read BRF's that seems a bit over the top.
>>
>> I back translate my brf's with louis, and that works out quite well.
>> I think you can also cheet and switch the extention to html.  Then  
>> you
>> can view them in safari or text edid, but I think my roommate had
>> tracking issues when he did that.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> erik burggraaf
>> A+ certified technician and user support consultant.
>> Phone: 888-255-5194
>> Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com
>>
>> On 2009-10-26, at 11:45 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi Lindsay,
>>>
>>> Duxbury has a version for the Mac.  I've not used it, so I don't  
>>> know
>>> how accessible it is, but that would be one option.
>>> Best,
>>> Donna
>>> On Oct 26, 2009, at 11:41 AM, Lindsay Yazzolino wrote:
>>>

 Hi,

 Is it possible to read BRF files with the Mac? Thanks.

 Lindsay

>

>>>
>>>

>>
>>
>>>
>>
>
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Re: burning isos on the mac?

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Hello.  I know that Disk Utility allows one to burn an Iso to a CD.   
For Audio CD's, you can use Itunes or Softcon Audio Burn.

On Oct 29, 2009, at 11:23 PM, a radix wrote:

> Hello, Is there any cd burning software available on the mac htat  
> works with snow leopard, voicover and allows me to burn audio cds  
> and isos?
> Also, has anyone got experience with installing buntu on a linux  
> machine as dual boot?
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>
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Re: ftp server

[Ryan Mann]

Hello.  Mac OS has a built-in FTP server.  You should be able to  
enable it by doing the following:
1.  Go to System Preferences.
2.  Once you are in System Preferences, go into "sharing."
3.  Interact with the services table.
4.  Arrow through the list of services until you get to file sharing,  
then check that service.
5.  Stop interacting with the services table, then use your usual  
VoiceOver navigation to get to the "options" button.
6.  Check the checkbox to share files using FTP.
After that, you should be able to log into the FTP server using your  
regular username and password.
I hope that was enough instruction.

On Nov 4, 2009, at 8:21 PM, anouk radix wrote:

>
> Hi Everyone, I guess  everyone has noticed by now that I am for the
> first time using my mac full time because my winbdows pc has totally
> crashed. My brother wants to buy it but only in januari, i dont want
> to go through all the hassle of reinstalling windows xp in the
> meantime. In a few weeks i will get a new broadband connection 4mbit
> upload 50mbit download so I guess i will get a usenet account at that
> time. But, is it possible to set up an ftp server on the mac? I would
> like for people to be able to upload files tome and for me to place
> stuff on my server for other people. Are there any options for sl I
> know transmit is only a client...
> Thanks a lot for all the help and info folks!
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Re: I've done it.

[Ryan Mann]

Hello.  If you have Keyboard commander turned on in Voiceover  
Preferences, you can check the time by hitting the right option key  
and the letter T together.
To enable Keyboard commander do the following:
1.  Hit control+option+f8 to open VoiceOver utility.
2. Interact with the categories table and navigate down to the  
commanders category.
3. Stop interacting with the Categories table and vo+rightarrow a  
couple times and you should hear the keypad and keyboard tabs.  On the  
Keyboard tab, hit vo+space to select the keyboard tab.
4.  Vo+rightarrow again and you should hear a checkbox to enable  
keyboard commander.  Check that box with vo+space.
You should also tell VoiceOver to allow itself to be controled by  
Applescript.  I think you can find in the general category in  
VoiceOver utility.

On Nov 8, 2009, at 5:50 PM, Daniel Rowe wrote:

>
> Hi all.
>
> Yes, I bought an imac last friday.  So far, I love it.  it's amazing  
> how
> fast it is to get things done, and*most* things work fine.
>
> I have my phone sinced with iCal and address book, been doing a bit of
> web brouzing with safari, used front roe, gotten voice over saving my
> settings on a usb drive, all the usual stuff.
> I still need to add my music to iTunes though.  most of the ID3 tags  
> in
> my mp3s are messed up.  some of them have both the artist and  title
> duplicated in both the artist and title fields.  I'll have to run them
> through mp3 tag studio on windows first as nearly all the file names  
> are
> done as  artist - title.mp3, so that should sort mmost things out. .
> But can itunes fill in all the other tags?
>
> one thing I can't get to work is e-mail.  I've switched both my phone
> and pc to imap with no problems at all.  but the mac doesn't want to
> know.  the incoming server has an invalid certificate and it can't
> connect to the smtp server.  it's really frustrating.
> I have e-mailed the tech support guys so they should hopefully have an
> answer.
>
> I still keep forgetting how the cursor works.  I understand what's
> happening, I just keep reverting to windows habbits.  I'll get it
> eventually.  then I'll be expecting windows to behave like the mac.
>
> While editing text on a webpage, say in a reply on a message board,  
> the
> home and end keys don't seem to do what they're supposed to do.  also,
> if I do vo shift m to bring up the menu of misspelled words, it clicks
> on the wrong word.  do I have to move the vo cursor onto the word I  
> want
> to change?  I was just using the arrow keys before.
>
> is there a command to read the current time rather than hopping over  
> to
> the status menus?  I know it's possible.
>
> To whoever it was who uses XMarks on the mac, did you try it on snow
> leopard?  I downloaded the snow leopard package, ran it and it says  
> that
> it requires leopard.  I'm running 10.6.1.
>
> I'll also need to get it to write to ntfs drives, say if I want to  
> copy
> some music I bought in itunes over to my windows machine,.
>
> I'm planning on buying superdooper or whatever it's called.  that  
> sounds
> like a fantastic backup solution.
>
> Finally, has anyone had any luck using the dashboard?  I can bring up
> the different widgets ok, they're just confusing to wirk with.
> particularly the weather one.
>
> I'm sure I'll come up with more questions to keep you lot busy. :)
> so like I said, if it wasn't for it not playing ball with my e-mail
> provider, I'd be totally happy and for most things, I can see myself
> using the mac exclusively.
>
> Bye for now,
> Dannie
>
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Re: I've done it.

[Ryan Mann]

Hello.  You can use option+s to Open Safari and option+m to open  
Mail.  If you want, you can assign commands for other applications.   
For example, I've assigned option+e to open TextEdit.

On Nov 9, 2009, at 11:08 AM, Frank Ventura wrote:

>
> Good advice here, what other uses can be had with keyboard commander?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mann
> Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 7:07 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I've done it.
>
>
> Hello.  If you have Keyboard commander turned on in Voiceover
> Preferences, you can check the time by hitting the right option key
> and the letter T together.
> To enable Keyboard commander do the following:
> 1.  Hit control+option+f8 to open VoiceOver utility.
> 2. Interact with the categories table and navigate down to the
> commanders category.
> 3. Stop interacting with the Categories table and vo+rightarrow a
> couple times and you should hear the keypad and keyboard tabs.  On the
> Keyboard tab, hit vo+space to select the keyboard tab.
> 4.  Vo+rightarrow again and you should hear a checkbox to enable
> keyboard commander.  Check that box with vo+space.
> You should also tell VoiceOver to allow itself to be controled by
> Applescript.  I think you can find in the general category in
> VoiceOver utility.
>
> On Nov 8, 2009, at 5:50 PM, Daniel Rowe wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi all.
>>
>> Yes, I bought an imac last friday.  So far, I love it.  it's amazing
>> how
>> fast it is to get things done, and*most* things work fine.
>>
>> I have my phone sinced with iCal and address book, been doing a bit  
>> of
>> web brouzing with safari, used front roe, gotten voice over saving my
>> settings on a usb drive, all the usual stuff.
>> I still need to add my music to iTunes though.  most of the ID3 tags
>> in
>> my mp3s are messed up.  some of them have both the artist and  title
>> duplicated in both the artist and title fields.  I'll have to run  
>> them
>> through mp3 tag studio on windows first as nearly all the file names
>> are
>> done as  artist - title.mp3, so that should sort mmost things out. .
>> But can itunes fill in all the other tags?
>>
>> one thing I can't get to work is e-mail.  I've switched both my phone
>> and pc to imap with no problems at all.  but the mac doesn't want to
>> know.  the incoming server has an invalid certificate and it can't
>> connect to the smtp server.  it's really frustrating.
>> I have e-mailed the tech support guys so they should hopefully have  
>> an
>> answer.
>>
>> I still keep forgetting how the cursor works.  I understand what's
>> happening, I just keep reverting to windows habbits.  I'll get it
>> eventually.  then I'll be expecting windows to behave like the mac.
>>
>> While editing text on a webpage, say in a reply on a message board,
>> the
>> home and end keys don't seem to do what they're supposed to do.   
>> also,
>> if I do vo shift m to bring up the menu of misspelled words, it  
>> clicks
>> on the wrong word.  do I have to move the vo cursor onto the word I
>> want
>> to change?  I was just using the arrow keys before.
>>
>> is there a command to read the current time rather than hopping over
>> to
>> the status menus?  I know it's possible.
>>
>> To whoever it was who uses XMarks on the mac, did you try it on snow
>> leopard?  I downloaded the snow leopard package, ran it and it says
>> that
>> it requires leopard.  I'm running 10.6.1.
>>
>> I'll also need to get it to write to ntfs drives, say if I want to
>> copy
>> some music I bought in itunes over to my windows machine,.
>>
>> I'm planning on buying superdooper or whatever it's called.  that
>> sounds
>> like a fantastic backup solution.
>>
>> Finally, has anyone had any luck using the dashboard?  I can bring up
>> the different widgets ok, they're just confusing to wirk with.
>> particularly the weather one.
>>
>> I'm sure I'll come up with more questions to keep you lot busy. :)
>> so like I said, if it wasn't for it not playing ball with my e-mail
>> provider, I'd be totally happy and for most things, I can see myself
>> using the mac exclusively.
>>
>> Bye for now,
>> Dannie
>>
>>>
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Re: Question about adding folder to dock with command shift T

[Ryan Mann]

It's good that you can add a folder to the dock, but then, how does one view 
it?  I just added a folder to the dock, but I can't view it like I normally 
would view a folder.  After I hit vo+space to open the folder, I'm still on the 
dock.
On Nov 11, 2009, at 4:41 PM, Esther wrote:

> 
> Hi Brett,
> 
> I found the Command-Shift-T "Add to Dock" shortcut listed among new  
> Finder commands for Snow Leopard discussed here:
> 
> http://mactipster.wordpress.com/category/snow-leopard/
> 
> The is typically the kind of thing I find in the "Take Control" books,  
> but I haven't checked out the ones for Snow Leopard yet.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> Brett Campbell wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I quite like the add folder to the dock with command, shift, T.  I  
>> learned the command from this list.  I started wondering what other  
>> commands I might be missing out on.  I found all kinds of keyboard  
>> shortcuts with a google search, but I can't find the command, shift,  
>> T command.   I also searched high and low on my Mac.  Where is this  
>> command found?
>> This isn't imperative by any means, but thanks for indulging me.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Brett
>> 
>> 
>>> 
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Safari 4.0.4 busy on Macbook

[Ryan Mann]

I have an Imac and a Macbook.  Both computers run Mac OS 10.6.2.  I updated to 
Safari 4.0.4 on both computers.  This version of Safari seems pretty stable on 
my Imac.  However, on my Macbook it seems to be getting busy a lot.  It is 
pretty consistent on the blog http://www.dailypaul.com.  If I go to this blog 
on my Imac, it works as it should.  On my Macbook, whenever I try to read 
comments, VoiceOver will start saying "Safari busy.  Safari ready."  Before I 
upgraded to Safari version 4.0.4, I didn't usually have problems like this on 
my Macbook.  Why would Safari 4.0.4 work differently on my macbook than it does 
on my Imac if I'm running the exact same operating system?  I went ahead and 
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Re: Safari 4.0.4 busy on Macbook

[Ryan Mann]

Hello.  I think the problem might have had something to do with Adobe Flash.  I 
reinstalled Adobe Flash and so far, I am no longer having that problem with 
Safari.

On Nov 13, 2009, at 7:49 AM, Scott Howell wrote:

> 
> I just updated to Safari 4.04 and haven't encountered the issue you are 
> having with this site. THe only thing I did notice is that if I ended up in 
> the password field, I had to make a greater effort to move away from it. I'm 
> going to check into this a bit more.
> On Nov 12, 2009, at 10:33 PM, Ryan Mann wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I have an Imac and a Macbook.  Both computers run Mac OS 10.6.2.  I updated 
>> to Safari 4.0.4 on both computers.  This version of Safari seems pretty 
>> stable on my Imac.  However, on my Macbook it seems to be getting busy a 
>> lot.  It is pretty consistent on the blog http://www.dailypaul.com.  If I go 
>> to this blog on my Imac, it works as it should.  On my Macbook, whenever I 
>> try to read comments, VoiceOver will start saying "Safari busy.  Safari 
>> ready."  Before I upgraded to Safari version 4.0.4, I didn't usually have 
>> problems like this on my Macbook.  Why would Safari 4.0.4 work differently 
>> on my macbook than it does on my Imac if I'm running the exact same 
>> operating system?  I went ahead and reported the problem to Apple.
>> 
>> 
>>> 
> 
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Re: reading entire document with speech

[Ryan Mann]

If you're at the top of your document, you can hit vo+a.  That will read from 
the cursor to the end of the document.

On Nov 13, 2009, at 10:43 PM, anouk radix wrote:

> 
> HEllo, now that I have discovered Infovox's uk speech, i wonder if there is a 
> key to read an entire document without me having to go to a new line each 
> time?
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Re: downloading a mp3 file from a web page?

[Ryan Mann]

When you are on the link for the .mp3, do the following:
1.  Hit vo+shift+m.
2.  Arrow down to download linked file and press enter.

On Nov 15, 2009, at 11:11 PM, Maurice Mines wrote:

> 
> hi all of you. I am having a vary intresting quistion I quite offen  
> have to lissen to podcast's for school and I don't wunt safary to play  
> thim how due I download the file whin using safary and vo? your help  
> wood be much disared. maurice ham call sine kd0iko
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Re: renaming a folder (or changing it in max)

[Ryan Mann]

Hello.  To rename a folder, you can do the following:
1.  When the cursor is on the folder you want to rename, hit command+i.
2.  vo+rightarrow until you find an edit box with the name of the folder.
3.  Type the new name for the folder.
4.  Hit command+w to close the window.

On Nov 15, 2009, at 11:29 PM, anouk radix wrote:

> 
> Hello, I am ripping some cds but I would like them to have the artist and 
> album title in one directory not in two udnerlying ones as it is now. I am 
> not sure if I can change this in max but this got me to another point, Cant i 
> rename folders in finder?
> I cant find an action for this in the status menu in finder.
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Re: iphone

[Ryan Mann]

Doesn't the Iphone have Safari?  If it does, you should be able to open .xml 
files just like a web page.  I posted instructions about opening Bookshare 
books in Safari a few weeks ago.

On Nov 16, 2009, at 5:00 PM, Jim Fettgather wrote:

> 
> Email was exactly what I was going to suggest, but recently, Bookshare
> files don't seem to contain HTML files, but only the XML equivalents.
> 
> On 11/16/09, Romack  wrote:
>> 
>> I haven't done this myself, but know that it would work:
>> 
>> Just put the files in a Dropbox or iDisk account. With these two apps,
>> you should surely be able to store and retrieve HTML files from
>> another source and view them on your iPhone. Another suggestion would
>> be to e-mail them to yourself.
>> 
>> romack
>> 
>> John W. Carty wrote:
>>> Jake,
>>> If you didn't download them on the phone, how did you transfer them?
>>> 
>>> Does the phone attach via usb?
>>> 
>>> Will it be recognized simply as another drive or do you have to use a
>>> particular application?
>>> 
>>> thanx,
>>> 
>>> John Carty
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
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>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jake
>>> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 1:40 PM
>>> To: MacVisionaries
>>> Subject: Re: iphone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi
>>> I've not tried to download them on my phone, though I have a hunch
>>> that wouldn't work. I have however read them on the phone in the web
>>> browser. Note, though, that it's the HTML file you want and not the
>>> XML. The XML will work but sometimes doesn't render properly due to
>>> the daisy tags in it that are not understood by most web browsers. The
>>> HTML file is designed to be read in a web browser, and has the daisy
>>> information removed as well as using HTML formatting where it is
>>> applicable.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 16, 12:02 pm, "John W. Carty"  wrote:
 Is anyone out there who subscribes to book share tried to download,
 unzip, and open the xml file in your phones browser to read?
 
 Is this possible?
 
 thanx,
 
 John Carty
>>> 
>> 
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Re: Kindle reader for the Mac

[Ryan Mann]

Will the ebook reader have a version for Mac OS or just Windows?
On Nov 18, 2009, at 8:45 AM, william lomas wrote:

> is that out yet?
> 
> On 18 Nov 2009, at 13:29, Buddy Brannan wrote:
> 
>> Keep dreaming. The Windows version isn't accessible either. I think  
>> our best hope so far for mainstream books in huge quantities is the  
>> new eBook reading software from KNFB.
>> --
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 18, 2009, at 7:46 AM, Howard Dupuis wrote:
>> 
>>> News of an upcoming Kindle reader for the Mac has me hoping -- like
>>> Charlie Brown with the football? -- that Amazon will get this one
>>> right. They promised back in March that they'd get the text-to-speech
>>> feature working on the Kindle menus, but that has come to nothing.  
>>> The
>>> Kindle app for the iPhone/iPod Touch offered some brief hope, but
>>> that, too, was a bust. Now, this news has me wondering if maybe, just
>>> maybe, Amazon will remember the blind community and ensure that the
>>> upcoming Kindle reader for the Mac works with VoiceOver. (I just  
>>> wrote
>>> to them about this, though I expect to get nothing more than a
>>> perfunctory "thanks, we've forwarded your message along to our Kindle
>>> team" by way of reply. Still, I persist.)
>>> I own a Kindle, and have used it a bit, but it is a terrible pain
>>> without being able to access the menus. Missed a sentence? Want to go
>>> back a page? Want to re-read that particularly interesting paragraph?
>>> Hah! Good luck. You'll likely forget what it was you were after by  
>>> the
>>> time you are able to get somewhere. If the Mac reader works with VO,
>>> and if it synchs back to the Kindle ...
>>> Yes, you may say I'm a dreamer.
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Re: Formatting thumb drives in Boot camp for use by Mac users

[Ryan Mann]

If these drives are U3, they may show up as two drives.  One drive is 
read-only, and the other can be read and written to like normal.

On Nov 24, 2009, at 3:04 PM, Scott Howell wrote:

> Kevin,
> 
> If I understand you correctly, you have drives formatted for windows and your 
> wife can read, but can't write to them? That is very strange unless they are 
> formatted for NTFS. If you reformatted the drives from the format they 
> initially were when you purchased them, you may want to consider reformatting 
> them back to FAT32. I have a number of thum/flash drives here that will work 
> fine on both windows and the Mac for both read and write operations. If these 
> drives have not been reformatted, are they a particular brand? 
> 
> On Nov 24, 2009, at 2:32 PM, Kevin Gibbs wrote:
> 
>> Dear All,
>> I don't own a Mac yet.  I have several thumb drives I've formatted on my 
>> XP laptop. The fundamental problem with this is that when I bring one of my 
>> thumb drives to my wife's Mac, she can copy a file from it to her computer, 
>> but not from her computer to the drive.  In essence, she can read but not 
>> write on this drive. If I Move to Mac and run Bootcamp, which I don't plan 
>> to do unless I must, will my wife be able to write on one of my thumb drives 
>> that I've formatted while my Mac is running Boot camp, or will we have the 
>> same format incompatibility issue?  
>> Kevin
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Re: Mounting ISO images

[Ryan Mann]

What happens if you hit command+o on the .iso image?

On Nov 24, 2009, at 6:26 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

> Hi guys,
> 
> I'm curious to know if anyone knows of mounting ISO images on the Mac without 
> having to burn them? I know this is  possible in Windows, and I'm sure it's 
> possible to do on the Mac as well. Does anyone know if any third-party 
> software is required to do this? Or am I just missing something?
> 
> Thanks in advance. It's easier to pose that question here, as I'm too tired 
> to Google and when I finally wake up I might have an answer. :)
> 
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Re: Getting VLC to play folders

[Ryan Mann]

Open terminal and type the following:
1. cd folder_name
2. ls >folder_name.m3u.
This will create a playlist of all the .mp3's in a folder.
On Nov 27, 2009, at 12:52 PM, James & Nash wrote:

> Hi list, 
> 
> Is there a way to get VLC to play folders in order please? The old way of 
> selecting it in the player itself brings up an error and says that VLC cannot 
> play the content. 
> 
> Thanks 
> TC
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Re: Furtherto geting vlc to play folders

[Ryan Mann]

I don't understand.  I used this trick about a year ago when I used VLC to play 
music.  The files played fine.

On Nov 27, 2009, at 8:54 PM, James & Nash wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> At first glance, I thought that Ryan's command would work, but the ls 
> command just lists the files or folders in a given directory. So passing the 
> command to a.m3u file will probably not work. Although VLC will recognize it 
> as an m3u file, none of the required info to play the files is there. An m3u 
> file is a just text file. I found this out after doing some further research 
> on the net. A cool idea though. If only there was way of doing this via the 
> command line instead of having to write the info in yourself.
> 
> Thanks everyone
> Take care
> 
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Re: copying current url to clipboard?

[Ryan Mann]

Hit command+l to get to the address bar.  Then hit command+a to select all.  
That will select the URL.  Then hit command+c to copy to clipboard.

On Nov 29, 2009, at 8:16 AM, anouk radix wrote:

> Hi, I todl you guys that on the apple accessibility site the old 10.5 vo 
> manual is listed. I was reading through it today using the shortcut in the sl 
> vo help menu and I realized that this is not a local copy on my system but 
> actually a webpage. So the html version they have on the site is up to date 
> they just dont list it I think. Is it possible to copy my current url to the 
> clipboard so that I can send the link to the index page to other people?
> Greetings, Anouk,
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Re: copying current url to clipboard?

[Ryan Mann]

Yes.  I'm sorry I forgot that command.

On Nov 29, 2009, at 2:46 PM, Kevin Gibbs wrote:

> Will Command V paste the URL where you want it to go?
> 
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> 
> Hit command+l to get to the address bar.  Then hit command+a to select all.
> That will select the URL.  Then hit command+c to copy to clipboard.
> 
> On Nov 29, 2009, at 8:16 AM, anouk radix wrote:
> 
>> Hi, I todl you guys that on the apple accessibility site the old 10.5 
>> vo manual is listed. I was reading through it today using the shortcut 
>> in the sl vo help menu and I realized that this is not a local copy on 
>> my system but actually a webpage. So the html version they have on the 
>> site is up to date they just dont list it I think. Is it possible to 
>> copy my current url to the clipboard so that I can send the link to 
>> the index page to other people? Greetings, Anouk,
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