Re: IOS 10 beta

[Kevin Chao]

www.applevis.com has great forums discussing the public betas and VoiceOver.

On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 10:09 AM Scott Granados  wrote:

> I disagree, being that our needs are so under represented sometimes do the
> small size of our community I think it’s important to discuss openly,
> especially as concerned directly to Voice Over.  The call routing issue
> being at the top of the list for example since it directly impacts us all
> as iPhone users, unique to our needs and actively being addressed in the
> Beta.  Public 4 for example of the current train breaking call routing
> after it was fixed in 3 and seeming better in the recent release of 5.
> ETc.  Others have safari rendering concerns, performance, and so forth.
> Many on this list also participate.  I think we have a unique group here
> with a lot of built in skills that benefit from open discussion again of
> public things.  I’m on the same page with you on the developer releases and
> they should remain under wraps for many of the reasons you state as well as
> for Apple’s protection of their intellectual property.  Once it’s n the
> wild and publicly available though I think we have more to gain than lose
> by it’s discussion.  No matter my thoughts though, It’s Mark and Kara’s
> list so I will of course honor their wishes even though I strongly disagree
> with them.
>
> You also have raised good points, I don’t think they apply in this case
> but they were as always well stated.  Just my $.02
>
>
>
> On Jul 10, 2016, at 12:30 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>
> Scott,
>   Not to play devil's advocate (why the devil..) but one very good reason
> for this ruling is to reduce anxiety and endless questions about new
> releases Discussing bugs in beta software on a mailing list like this one
> is counter productive especially for those of us who are not participating
> in a beta program. The ruling would also preclude some from stating
> disclaimers that he/she will not openly discuss issues in beta software.
>
>   If there is a mailing list for beta testers, that is where to take it.
>
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>
> On 7/10/2016 8:34 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>
> Sorry, I’ll believe the lawyers from Morrison and Foerster before Mark
> and Kara.:)  Public means public meaning no presumption of privacy.  And
> I’ve read and had evaluated both agreements, the Developer version is
> far more restrictive and I was specifically advised against signing it
> so never participated in that program.  I’m advised both on my own dime
> and through the legal department at my employer that the public beta is
> a different animal.  But if the moderators wish to be their restrictive
> selves and stifle legal discussions that will benefit our community it’s
> their list.
> However, I have no such prohibition on my lists so anyone interested in
> an open discussion about beta software may migrate there with out fear
> of retribution for their comments.  (public betas of software only
> please, the developer closed stuff needs to stay in approved forums and
> channels.
>
> On Jul 10, 2016, at 12:59 AM, Shawn Krasniuk  > wrote:
>
> Scott, even though it's a public beta, the NDA is still in effect.
> Cara and Mark both say this. Mark or Cara, if you want to take it from
> here, go ahead.
>
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com  >
>
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:09 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
>
> Ray, public beta buddy, has nothing to do with non disclosure.
>
> Public being the key word here.
>
> Discuss away, it’s assumed you will.
>
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Ray Foret jr  > wrote:
>
> Simon, my good sir, please allow me to gently remind you that we are
> strictly forbidden from discussing what we are finding out in the
> beta testing of IOS10.  This pertains both to developer beta as well
> as the public beta.  Bear in mind that the public beta is public
> strictly in the sence that the public has access to it without
> paying a developer fee:  but, open discussion of findings is
> strictly forbidden.
>
>
> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the
> blind built-in
>
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV
> user!
>
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 5:06 AM, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
>
> Hi List folks,
>
> Ok so today I thought I’d be crazier than usual and I updated to
> the IOS 10 beta release.
>
> Does anyone know of any yet written documentation on the new
> features in IOS 10, I’ve found a few but others are hiding from me.
>
> The first one that really got me was iMessage being turned off
> after updating.
>
> But it definitely seems faster especially when se

Re: Looking for Slack feedback from voiceover users on OSX and IOS

[Kevin Chao]

Slack has made VO/a11y improvements in latest iOS app and are responding to
feedback in this channel.
https://web-a11y.slack.com/archives/slack-a11y-feedback/p146876676102
On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 4:48 AM michael babcock 
wrote:

> Just sent a message to:
> /feedback your feedback message here
> In any of the chat edit boxes and this will open a new support ticket.
> I just do find for “esc” and VO left from there, reads the messages
> backwards but works for me for now.
> Thanks for the tip about setting the modifier key to padlock, can I set an
> activity to switch to this when I’m in slack or should I maybe just make it
> a normal practice of using caps lock?
> If you press “option” first and hold it, then press “control” without
> letting option up, the VO keys work, but not the best solution.
>
> On Jul 16, 2016, at 10:06 PM, Chris Meredith  wrote:
>
> One thing that I’ve found helps with Slack is to set the VO modifiers to
> allow caps lock as an option.  My guess is that some sort of keyDown event
> gets fired whenever any key that would register does so (I.e. Option,
> particularly since it can be used to type extended characters), and pops
> focus into the input field.  Caps lock is handled entirely by the OS
> (illustrated nicely by how many hoops we have to jump through to pass that
> key to VMware Fusion), and is thus not intercepted by Slack.
> Find is your friend.  Search for “new messages since” to find the date of
> the last message, then search backward for that date to read what went on
> in your absence.  One thing I can’t seem to do is close the pop-up windows
> such as, for instance, the search box, short of closing and reopening the
> app.  If Slack are engaging in public discourse with their blind users, I’d
> love to chime in, since Slack seems to be part of my complete
> breakfast set of tools I need at my employer.
>
> On Jul 13, 2016, at 9:19 AM, michael babcock 
> wrote:
>
> So hears how I’m using the desktop app:
> #1, try not to tap “Option” (that jumps focus back to edit box). I know
> kinda hard when using voiceover…
> #2, use find for the text “esc” and that will take you to the end of the
> conversation (channel) your in.
> #3, use command+option+left or right to jump between conversations you’ve
> opened since that instance of the app has been running.
> Let me know if I can help any more :( and I hope they make it more
> accessible. Love the concept of it, and am actively using it with a VA out
> of India, so would love to have it working.
> VOIP quality IMO is fairly good.
>
> On Jul 13, 2016, at 2:29 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>
> Thanks Michael,
>
> I’ll go check this out , it might be worthwhile.
>
> If only the desktop apps were more accessible, I’ll probanly have to use
> my iPhone.
>
> *From:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *michael babcock
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 12 July 2016 5:05 PM
> *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Looking for Slack feedback from voiceover users on OSX and
> IOS
>
> Simon:
> Thanks for your message.
> Slack has created a #a11y organization, and they seem to be making things
> better. I’ll post one of the messages I got from the team a few hours ago:
> "Hi Michael,
>
> Thanks for coming back to me. Yes, there is an existing team that the
> accessibility community has created. This is a broad, public team on Slack
> with the goal of collaborating on accessibility solutions, technologies,
> etc. The current membership is already substantial and includes some of our
> engineers and folks from our accessibility team. Please feel free to share
> this with anyone who is interested.
>
> Here's the link to request an invite: http://web-a11y.herokuapp.com.
> “
> And this was a follow-up to this message:
> "*Bel* (Slack)
>
> Jul 9, 9:32 PM PDT
>
> Hey there Michael,
>
> Thanks for getting in touch! We would love to hear all your suggestions on
> how we might improve the user experience for blind users.
>
> Accessibility is something we are working very hard to improve and our
> dedicated accessibility team are currently working on more features for our
> vision-impaired users. Please do let us know what your initial thoughts are
> on your experience and I will get our team involved from this side too.
>
> Thanks for taking the time to offer your help and feedback on this
> Michael, your insights are really valuable to our development.
>
> Warmly,
>
> -Bel"
> Hit up @slackhq
> And type
> /feedback your feedback here
> In any of the edit boxes on slack
> Note: in desktop app on Mac, hitting the option key seems to jump focus
> back to the edit box, kinda makes things hard when using voiceover :)
>
>
> On Jul 11, 2016, at 12:02 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>
> Hi Michael,
>
> Thanks for this, I will definitely be looking into this.
>
> We’ve just started using slack at work for our messaging system as it’s
> not hosted locally therefore if systems go down we can still communicate
>

Re: Slack on iOS and Watch OS

[Kevin Chao]

Slack has made VO/a11y improvements in latest iOS app and are responding to
feedback in this channel.
https://web-a11y.slack.com/archives/slack-a11y-feedback/p146876676102
On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 4:25 PM Kevin Chao  wrote:

> The mobile apps are more accessible and Web is mostly inaccessible.
> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 6:42 PM Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>
>> I head heard it was entirely inaccessible and that the vendor did not
>> have plans to make SLAC usable by the blind. Are there any on-line guides
>> for the blind on using slap with any environment?
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5 May 2016, at 20:14, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>>
>> I've used Slack on Watch and iOS?
>> Watch is allows reading mentions and messages with VoiceOver
>> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 4:48 AM Jenine Stanley 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Is anyone successfully using Slack on iOS or Watch OS? I’m particularly
>>> interested in Watch OS as I’ve seen the VO focus issues on iOS. Would love
>>> to understand the app more and propose it for some work projects.
>>> Jenine Stanley
>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>>>
>>>
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Re: swift playgroupnd

[Kevin Chao]

Playground  is iPad iOS 10-only and is 100% VoiceoVer accessible.

On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 2:48 AM Simon Fogarty  wrote:

> Avid,
>
>
>
> Thanks for that, Might hve to install the beta to my iPad.
>
>
>
> *From:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *David Chittenden
> *Sent:* Thursday, 21 July 2016 10:03 PM
>
>
> *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: swift playgroupnd
>
>
>
> According to a blind programmer who is on the Swift Playground team, Swift
> Playground is fully accessible.
>
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On 21 Jul 2016, at 20:59, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>
> Hi Donna,
>
>
>
> I didn’t know it was available yet.
>
>
>
> I’m keen to know how accessible it is before I go getting it.
>
>
>
> But very interested.
>
>
>
> *From:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Donna Goodin
> *Sent:* Thursday, 21 July 2016 1:46 AM
> *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: swift playgroupnd
>
>
>
> I was actually hoping to buy it.  So I hope it does work on the iPhone,
> because I don't have an iPad.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Donna
>
> On Jul 20, 2016, at 2:21 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>
>
>
> Donna I was just wondering that myself.
>
>
>
> My iPhone 6s+ is not much smaller than my iPad mini 4.
>
>
>
> Go figure.
>
>
>
> *From:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Donna Goodin
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 19 July 2016 11:36 PM
> *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: swift playgroupnd
>
>
>
> Hi Alex,
>
>
>
> Does that mean that it cannot be run on an iPhone?
>
> thanks,
>
> Donna
>
>
>
> On Jul 19, 2016, at 5:50 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>
>
>
> The app will be available for everyone, for free, but it can only run on
> an iPad running iOS10. Right now, it's available for those running iOS10
> betas as part of their testing.
>
> On Jul 19, 2016, at 06:46, Ben J. Bloomgren 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Simon,
>
>
>
> As far as I can tell, it'll be available for everybody, being that it's
> supposed to be a helper for people who want to learn to program for Apple's
> apps.
>
>
>
> Ben
>
>
>
> On 7/19/2016 2:28, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>
> Hi List,
>
>
>
> I was just wondering about the swift Playground  dev app that is to be
> released some time this year.
>
>
>
> Is that to be available for everyone or only available for Developers?
>
>
>
> Does anyone know if its available yet or is it only currently in a dev or
> beta state
>
>
>
> Thanks for any information re this.
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A11y of HomeKit Accessories | AppleVis

[Kevin Chao]

http://www.applevis.com/forum/hardware-accessories/a11y-homekit-accessories

GIven in i/watch/tvOS 10, we no longer have to be concerned with
third-party HomeKit apps with varying-level of VoiceoVer accessibility.

I was wondering if there has been consideration for a repro/dir, where we
can submit, view, and comment on our accessibility experience of HomeKit
hardware accessories?

I could also see this forum being able to provide eyes-free tips and tricks
of setup and usage of HomeKit hardware accessories.

What do you think?

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Re: Java Applications Accessibility Issue

[Kevin Chao]

Yes, we reported both of these issues to Oracle last year, but no
resolution yet...
On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 3:18 PM Chris Meredith  wrote:

> Hey all.
>
> Not sure if anyone can confirm this, but I seem to be hitting an issue
> with Java applications that use either the tree view (browser) or table
> controls.  Since my company is standardizing on JMeter, which uses a
> browser control to display test plans and a table to show test results,
> this is a problem, as VoiceOver seems to render these controls with no
> content.  So far, the only solution I’ve found is to run pretty much any
> Java app that uses these controls under a Windows VM.  Anyone else ever hit
> this issue?
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Re: Trouble Logging into my Gmail Internet Account on Mac Air Keyboard

[Kevin Chao]

On Gmail.com, select sign-in, type username, select next, and type
password.

On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 9:54 AM Jonathan Cohn  wrote:

> I believe you put your email address on the only, and then a second page
> appears with a password prompt. A few sites are doing this these days.
> Best wishes,
>
> Jonathan Cohn
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 11:35 AM Sharon Hooley 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm trying to log into my gmail internet account on my Mac Air keyboard
>> with OS 10, but I don't see where to input my password.  How can I get to
>> it?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Sharon H.
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Re: Using Apple TV the fourth generation without a TV

[Kevin Chao]

I've it connected to Bluetooth speakers and it doesn't require TV to be ON.

On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 1:40 AM Simon Fogarty  wrote:

> HI Mary,
>
>  I know some sound systems now have an HDMI input which you can plug in
> the likes of a blueray or I guess apple tv and then have another HDMI
> output cable to your tv so that everything goes through the stereo first
> before the tv,
>
>  Whether you can do this with the tv I can't say
>
> My apple tv 4 is only connected to my Samsung tv, where as with the apple
> tv 2 I had an optical connector which allowed me to connect to my Logitech
> stereo speakers without the tv and I could play videos / tv and music
> through the sound system with out the tv screan active.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Thursday, 25 August 2016 12:30 PM
> To: VIPhone 'RobH. ' via ;
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; mac4thebl...@freelists.org
> Subject: Using Apple TV the fourth generation without a TV
>
> Apple viz. recently published a podcast done by Lisa Sullenger on this
> topic. She mentions a specific HDMI to audio converter that she used with
> her stereo. The one thing she did not touch upon in her podcast has to do
> with an issue that has been raised on these lists before regarding the
> usability of this system with video content that is protected. I can't
> remember the name of the specification or coding or whenever it is involved
> that must be seen in order for the AppleTV to pick up the content.
> Generally, if the AppleTV is not connected to an actual video output which
> is actually turned on, you can't get a lot of this protected video content.
> So I am wondering about this system with this particular converter. Has
> anyone used it or any other converter connecting AppleTV fourth-generation
> to a stereo with no TV present and still able to receive the full
> complement of all the video channels, such as Netflix, HBO etc.
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Using Apple TV the fourth generation without a TV

[Kevin Chao]

Yep, I can play Netflix, HBO GO, etc. using BLuetooth speakers

On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 8:23 PM Mary Otten  wrote:

> Kevin, just to be clear. You were saying that you can just send the audio
> output from your AppleTV fourth-generation to a pair of Bluetooth speakers,
> and all video plays fine. Including things like Netflix HBO, all the things
> that would have some  protection on them. They all play fine. That's really
> surprising but good.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 28, 2016, at 6:28 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>
> I've it connected to Bluetooth speakers and it doesn't require TV to be ON.
>
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 1:40 AM Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:
>
>> HI Mary,
>>
>>  I know some sound systems now have an HDMI input which you can plug in
>> the likes of a blueray or I guess apple tv and then have another HDMI
>> output cable to your tv so that everything goes through the stereo first
>> before the tv,
>>
>>  Whether you can do this with the tv I can't say
>>
>> My apple tv 4 is only connected to my Samsung tv, where as with the apple
>> tv 2 I had an optical connector which allowed me to connect to my Logitech
>> stereo speakers without the tv and I could play videos / tv and music
>> through the sound system with out the tv screan active.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:
>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Thursday, 25 August 2016 12:30 PM
>> To: VIPhone 'RobH. ' via ;
>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; mac4thebl...@freelists.org
>> Subject: Using Apple TV the fourth generation without a TV
>>
>> Apple viz. recently published a podcast done by Lisa Sullenger on this
>> topic. She mentions a specific HDMI to audio converter that she used with
>> her stereo. The one thing she did not touch upon in her podcast has to do
>> with an issue that has been raised on these lists before regarding the
>> usability of this system with video content that is protected. I can't
>> remember the name of the specification or coding or whenever it is involved
>> that must be seen in order for the AppleTV to pick up the content.
>> Generally, if the AppleTV is not connected to an actual video output which
>> is actually turned on, you can't get a lot of this protected video content.
>> So I am wondering about this system with this particular converter. Has
>> anyone used it or any other converter connecting AppleTV fourth-generation
>> to a stereo with no TV present and still able to receive the full
>> complement of all the video channels, such as Netflix, HBO etc.
>> Mary
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: VoiceOver Accessibility Issues for Blind Users in iOS App

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I've observed same with Tiles and it's due to custom controls and not
overwriting the UIAccessibilityLabel to a sensible string.
I'm considering switching to TrackR, especially since there is ALexa skill
integration.

On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 9:40 AM Jonathan Cohn  wrote:

> That sounds like they switched from a standard button to a custom widget.
> In which case, they need to adjust the Accessible Name. though it probably
> indicates that they have done additional actions with the widget that would
> need to be considered, probably with action a lot like the new Nearby
> Explorer app.
>  Exploer
>
> On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 11:24 AM Mika Pyyhkala  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have noticed over time that the Tile iOS app has become less and
>> less VoiceOver accessible.
>>
>> The key issue I am having is each tile name (i.e. backpack, keys,
>> etc.) is read by VoiceOver as:
>> txt_tile_name
>> txt_tile_name
>> txt_tile_name
>>
>> Apple has specific programming guidelines for making iOS apps
>> VoiceOver accessible:
>> https://developer.apple.com/accessibility/ios
>>
>> Can you get in contact with your developers and engineering team on this?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mika Pyyhkala
>> @pyyhkala
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Re: VoiceOver Accessibility Issues for Blind Users in iOS App

[Kevin Chao]

I've 4 tiles and it's a pain to setup and difficult to use with VoiceOver.
TrackR is much more accessible with VO.

On Sat, Sep 3, 2016 at 8:47 AM Andrew McKay  wrote:

> I have previously contacted Tile support numerous times about the poor
> accessibility in their app. After buying three tiles, it is rather
> disappointing the lack of care around this issue and I too will probably be
> forced to look elsewhere.
>
>
>
> *From:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Kevin Chao
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 3, 2016 11:33 AM
> *To:* Tile Customer Support ; macvisionaries <
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> *Subject:* Re: VoiceOver Accessibility Issues for Blind Users in iOS App
>
>
>
> I've observed same with Tiles and it's due to custom controls and not
> overwriting the UIAccessibilityLabel to a sensible string.
>
> I'm considering switching to TrackR, especially since there is ALexa skill
> integration.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 9:40 AM Jonathan Cohn 
> wrote:
>
> That sounds like they switched from a standard button to a custom widget.
> In which case, they need to adjust the Accessible Name. though it probably
> indicates that they have done additional actions with the widget that would
> need to be considered, probably with action a lot like the new Nearby
> Explorer app.
>
>  Exploer
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 11:24 AM Mika Pyyhkala  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have noticed over time that the Tile iOS app has become less and
> less VoiceOver accessible.
>
> The key issue I am having is each tile name (i.e. backpack, keys,
> etc.) is read by VoiceOver as:
> txt_tile_name
> txt_tile_name
> txt_tile_name
>
> Apple has specific programming guidelines for making iOS apps
> VoiceOver accessible:
> https://developer.apple.com/accessibility/ios
>
> Can you get in contact with your developers and engineering team on this?
>
> Thanks,
> Mika Pyyhkala
> @pyyhkala
>
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DAISY Reader

[Kevin Chao]

What DAISY readers are OS X users using with VoiceOver?

Kevin

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Re: DAISY Reader

[Kevin Chao]

That's an iOS app, not Mac OS X

On 4/18/12, wayne coles  wrote:
>   I have heard that indaisey is ok but that information was
> second hand so I cant comment on the app
>
> -Original Message-
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> To: macvisionaries
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> What DAISY readers are OS X users using with VoiceOver?
>
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Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?

[Kevin Chao]

I raised this issue wiht Skype beta team a while ago and I was toldwas that 
this is by design. If you wish to not have Skype not start at Home, rather your 
contacts, it's required to purchase Skype Premium.

FYI: eBay (not Google owned Skype before) and now Microsoft has it

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 30, 2012, at 5:16 PM, "Missy Hoppe"  wrote:

> Hi there! Thank you so much for starting this topic thread. Hopefully, this 
> is the appropriate place to bring up my number 1
> complaint with skype on the mac.
> When I first got my mac and installed Skype; I believe this was version 5.1 
> or so, the program always started in the contacts
> list. Ever sinve 5.3 or so, when I run the program, it starts me on something 
> that Voiceover tells me is called Skype Home.
> It basicly looks like a facebook clone. Granted, it's not prohibatively 
> difficult to navigate to a table, interract and find
> my contacts list and stop interracting, but I personally feel that this is 
> something I shouldn't have to do, and it's just
> aggravating enough that I avoid using skype as often as possible, and only 
> run it periodically to check for updates in hopes
> that this issue will some day be fixed. I've checked preferences time and 
> again, and there simply isn't a way to configure
> how the program starts.
> To make this even more frustrating, when I ask people about id, they claim 
> that they don't have this problem. I'd be more
> than happy to disconnect skype from facebook if it would fix the problem, but 
> would rather not if I don't have to. I don't
> really understand the point of the favorites thing either, and miss the 
> simplicity of the first mac version of skype I ever
> used. Sorry for the aimless rambling, but I hope it makes sense to someone.
> Missy
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 5:07 PM
> To: macvisionaries
> Subject: Skype on the Mac made accessible?
> 
> This message is for Kevin Chow if he is working with Skype on the Mac with 
> Skype Team.
> 
> Hi Kevin.
> 
> I have been using Skype on the Mac for a long time and when Google had the 
> program, it worked beautifully with the Mac.
> However since Microsoft have bought it, it has not been very good on the Mac.
> 
> The dial pad is inaccessible.  Is there any way of getting Skype for Mac 
> fixed?
> 
> If there are other issues, feel free any one to say if Kevin is going to get 
> this sorted.
> 
> Kawal.
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Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?

[Kevin Chao]

What do you mean voice mail doesn't work? Can you please provide more details 
and steps to reproduce? Is the issue finding voicemails people left for you, 
playing them, and/or leaving them?

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 30, 2012, at 5:31 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

> I'm using Skype 5.7 and having no dial pad accessibility issues at all.  
> Voice mail still does not work howevre.  I have a custom greeting and that 
> should not make a difference.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
> 
> Facebook:
> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 30, 2012, at 4:06 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> 
>> This message is for Kevin Chow if he is working with Skype on the Mac with 
>> Skype Team.
>> 
>> Hi Kevin.
>> 
>> I have been using Skype on the Mac for a long time and when Google had the 
>> program, it worked beautifully with the Mac.  However since Microsoft have 
>> bought it, it has not been very good on the Mac.
>> 
>> The dial pad is inaccessible.  Is there any way of getting Skype for Mac 
>> fixed?
>> 
>> If there are other issues, feel free any one to say if Kevin is going to get 
>> this sorted.
>> 
>> Kawal. 
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Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?

[Kevin Chao]

This was a change made in Skype 5.X. It's possible that your friend is running 
an earlier version of Skype, e.g. V2.X. Please Skype.com for pricing details.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 30, 2012, at 6:11 PM, "Missy Hoppe"  wrote:

> That doesn't sound at all right or fair. How much is this skype premium. If 
> it's cheap, and there isn't a monthly fee, I
> might consider it, but it never used to be that way, and if that's the case, 
> how is it possible that at least 1 person I've
> talked to who is also using the free version is able to start in contacts 
> like it used to do? I'm not trying to complain or
> be difficult; am just genuinely puzzled by this.
> Thanks!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 6:08 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?
> 
> I raised this issue wiht Skype beta team a while ago and I was toldwas that 
> this is by design. If you wish to not have Skype
> not start at Home, rather your contacts, it's required to purchase Skype 
> Premium.
> 
> FYI: eBay (not Google owned Skype before) and now Microsoft has it
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 30, 2012, at 5:16 PM, "Missy Hoppe"  wrote:
> 
>> Hi there! Thank you so much for starting this topic thread. Hopefully,
>> this is the appropriate place to bring up my number 1 complaint with skype 
>> on the mac.
>> When I first got my mac and installed Skype; I believe this was
>> version 5.1 or so, the program always started in the contacts list. Ever 
>> sinve 5.3 or so, when I run the program, it starts
> me on something that Voiceover tells me is called Skype Home.
>> It basicly looks like a facebook clone. Granted, it's not
>> prohibatively difficult to navigate to a table, interract and find my
>> contacts list and stop interracting, but I personally feel that this
>> is something I shouldn't have to do, and it's just aggravating enough
>> that I avoid using skype as often as possible, and only run it periodically 
>> to check for updates in hopes that this issue
> will some day be fixed. I've checked preferences time and again, and there 
> simply isn't a way to configure how the program
> starts.
>> To make this even more frustrating, when I ask people about id, they
>> claim that they don't have this problem. I'd be more than happy to
>> disconnect skype from facebook if it would fix the problem, but would
>> rather not if I don't have to. I don't really understand the point of the 
>> favorites thing either, and miss the simplicity
> of the first mac version of skype I ever used. Sorry for the aimless 
> rambling, but I hope it makes sense to someone.
>> Missy
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
>> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 5:07 PM
>> To: macvisionaries
>> Subject: Skype on the Mac made accessible?
>> 
>> This message is for Kevin Chow if he is working with Skype on the Mac with 
>> Skype Team.
>> 
>> Hi Kevin.
>> 
>> I have been using Skype on the Mac for a long time and when Google had the 
>> program, it worked beautifully with the Mac.
>> However since Microsoft have bought it, it has not been very good on the Mac.
>> 
>> The dial pad is inaccessible.  Is there any way of getting Skype for Mac 
>> fixed?
>> 
>> If there are other issues, feel free any one to say if Kevin is going to get 
>> this sorted.
>> 
>> Kawal.
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Fwd: *Important* New version of ChromeVox released to Web Store, includes bug fixes, improved table navigation, and changes to keyboard shortcuts

[Kevin Chao]

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

From: rshearer 
Date: November 22, 2011 7:24:17 PM CST
To: axs-chrome-disc...@googlegroups.com
Subject: *Important* New version of ChromeVox released to Web Store, includes 
bug fixes, improved table navigation, and changes to keyboard shortcuts
Reply-To: axs-chrome-disc...@googlegroups.com

I wanted to let this group know that we've pushed a new version of ChromeVox to 
the Web Store. We hope this new version will solve some of the issues you've 
been reporting in emails and on the Issues list. This change also includes some 
big changes to the way ChromeVox navigation works, including making table 
navigation much easier.

There are release notes for this change here: 
http://google-axs-chrome.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/chromevox_tutorial/releasenotes_1.16.0.html

If you want the update right away, you can either:
- Go to chrome://extensions and click the "Developer Mode" checkbox at the top 
of the page. Then click the "Update extensions now" button.
- Uninstall ChromeVox and then re-install from the Web Store: 
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn

Or, you can wait for the automatic update, which should arrive soon(ish).

We can't wait to hear your thoughts on these changes :) You all have been 
really great!

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Re: *Important* New version of ChromeVox released to Web Store, includes bug fixes, improved table navigation, and changes to keyboard shortcuts

[Kevin Chao]

It sounds like you are new to ChromeVox, using Chrome, visit:
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn

select add to Chrome button, select OK, and you'll be up and running
with ChromeVox.

ChromeVox provides a fast, accurate, consistent, and superb user
experience to the world's best web browser, Google Apps (Docs, Gmail,
Calendar, Plus, etc. in their standard/full form), and various other
HTML/ARIA webapps.

Kevin

On 11/23/11, William Windels  wrote:
> Hello all,
> I have installed the chrome browser but can't find the extension chromevox.
> I mean: I can't enable the checkbox for developer mode and can't install the
> extension by update extension...
> or, I don't know what do download in the chrome webstore.
>
> If I understand well, chromevox is a screenreader=accessibility-tool for the
> chrome browser.
> So, what should I do after installing the latest version of the chrome
> browser and what are the benefits?
>
> kind regards,
> William Windels
> Op 23-nov.-2011, om 03:42 heeft Kevin Chao het volgende geschreven:
>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> From: rshearer 
>> Date: November 22, 2011 7:24:17 PM CST
>> To: axs-chrome-disc...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: *Important* New version of ChromeVox released to Web Store,
>> includes bug fixes, improved table navigation, and changes to keyboard
>> shortcuts
>> Reply-To: axs-chrome-disc...@googlegroups.com
>>
>> I wanted to let this group know that we've pushed a new version of
>> ChromeVox to the Web Store. We hope this new version will solve some of
>> the issues you've been reporting in emails and on the Issues list. This
>> change also includes some big changes to the way ChromeVox navigation
>> works, including making table navigation much easier.
>>
>> There are release notes for this change here:
>> http://google-axs-chrome.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/chromevox_tutorial/releasenotes_1.16.0.html
>>
>> If you want the update right away, you can either:
>> - Go to chrome://extensions and click the "Developer Mode" checkbox at the
>> top of the page. Then click the "Update extensions now" button.
>> - Uninstall ChromeVox and then re-install from the Web Store:
>> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn
>>
>> Or, you can wait for the automatic update, which should arrive soon(ish).
>>
>> We can't wait to hear your thoughts on these changes :) You all have been
>> really great!
>>
>> __rachel
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Skype Accessibility

[Kevin Chao]

I’m in close communications with Skype about Mac OS X and iOS clients,
especially when it comes to VoiceOver accessibility. I would like to
know what it is you, the user like to see as new functionality for
VoiceOver, fixed, or otherwise improved upon when it comes to Mac OS X
VoiceOver accessibility and Mac Skype client.

Please, the more detailed, specific, and number of suggestion’s/issues
that you are able to share, it will provide a better Skype user
experience, making it more accessible and usable for all of us.

Thanks,

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Re: Skype Accessibility

[Kevin Chao]

Does the keyboard shortcut for switching conversations in 5.x
Option+Cmd+Left/Right help? Is this an acceptable and workable
solution to the issue with switching among various chats quickly? It's
a lot faster and more effective than going to sources, scrolling, and
back to HTML content.

Kevin

On 12/14/11, Brandon Misch  wrote:
> first i would like an easier way to start conference calls like 2.7 or 2.8
> had and ways to have multiple windows like those versions without having to
> go back to those versions.
>
> On Dec 14, 2011, at 12:00 AM, Kevin Chao wrote:
>
>> I’m in close communications with Skype about Mac OS X and iOS clients,
>> especially when it comes to VoiceOver accessibility. I would like to
>> know what it is you, the user like to see as new functionality for
>> VoiceOver, fixed, or otherwise improved upon when it comes to Mac OS X
>> VoiceOver accessibility and Mac Skype client.
>>
>> Please, the more detailed, specific, and number of suggestion’s/issues
>> that you are able to share, it will provide a better Skype user
>> experience, making it more accessible and usable for all of us.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Kevin
>>
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Re: Skype Accessibility

[Kevin Chao]

Hi Kawal,

Please see response inline:

On 12/14/11, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> Hello Kevin.
>
> Thank you for sharing your post with us.
You're veyr welcome.
>
> The first thing I'd like to see on the Skype accessibility front for IOS and
> OS10 is the consistency of layout so that both interfaces look the same in
> terms of using Boice Over.
I'm not sure if this is possible, especially considering how Mac OS X
and iOS interaction model, apps, and VoiceOver are so very different.
>
> Images get replaced with buttons when using Skype on the IOS platform.
Please explain. Are you saying controls are images on Mac OS X and
they are buttons on iOS?
>
> Buttons are all labeled in IOS devices, the dial pad whether be it in IOS or
> OS10 platforms have an edit field where you can copy and paste numbers when
> your contacts and I mean your address contacts are highlighted in the Skype
> application.
Please explain. Is this is issue or observation? If it's an issue,
what exactly is the issue?
>
> I can't think of anything else unless some one can add to what I have said.
Please clarify, provide more information, and describe exactly what
the issues are, Summary, steps to reproduce, and expected/actual
results are very much appreciated.
>
> Thanks and hope this helps and clarifies the situation.
No, it really doesn't, it confuses the situation even more.
>
> Kawal.
Kevin
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Re: Skype Accessibility

[Kevin Chao]

Where is this "Skype monitor"? Please describe and provide steps to
reproduce of how to find it.

Kevin

On 12/14/11, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> And what is the Skype monitor?  Yes, the missed events and notifications
> need looking at.  I can access them using the phone but it is a fiddle, but
> as for doing it on OS10, it is more tricky and for voice mail, let's not go
> there as it's difficult to find.
>
> Kawal.
>
> P.S. Skype om the Mac is better than windows.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 14 Dec 2011, at 01:47 PM, Matt Dierckens 
> wrote:
>
>> If you have a big contact list as I do, its very hard to easily access
>> someone. It woud be ice if they had a list between aphabetical to
>> online/offline.
>> Matt
>> Sent from my macbook pro
>>
>> On 2011-12-14, at 8:46 AM, Missy Hoppe wrote:
>>
>>> I actually like the alphabetical order, but getting to it in a useable
>>> list view with, like  you said, first letter navigation, I just can't
>>> figure it out. The layout is just too complex for my little brain, and I
>>> don't understand why it always starts on this html thing now.
>>>
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dierckens
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 8:45 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility
>>>
>>> I wish that they could fix the contacts list so that its not in
>>> alphabetic order, and that you can go to a contact by first letter
>>> navigation. If this is possible, awesome.
>>> Matt
>>> Sent from my macbook pro
>>>
>>> On 2011-12-14, at 8:30 AM, Missy Hoppe wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi! I'm probably not enough of a skype user to really chime in on this,
>>>> but I just find the whole layout very confusing. For
>>>> example, when I open skype now, it always goes to this html thing. It
>>>> seems that it used to open on a list of my contacts,
>>>> and that said list didn't have those annoying favorites checkboxes. I
>>>> think the layout should be more customizeable,
>>>> especially at start-up. Or maybe I'm just missing something? Also,
>>>> finding missed events, especially contact requests, needs
>>>> to be a bit more intuitive, but there again, it could just be my lack of
>>>> experience. I never use skype at all on my PC; if I
>>>> bother with it at all, it's only on the mac. I'm sorry if the things I'm
>>>> requesting are already possible and I'm just too
>>>> inexperienced to  figure them out, but off the top of my head, those are
>>>> the suggestions I have.
>>>> Missy
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 12:01 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries
>>>> Subject: Skype Accessibility
>>>>
>>>> I'm in close communications with Skype about Mac OS X and iOS clients,
>>>> especially when it comes to VoiceOver accessibility. I
>>>> would like to know what it is you, the user like to see as new
>>>> functionality for VoiceOver, fixed, or otherwise improved upon
>>>> when it comes to Mac OS X VoiceOver accessibility and Mac Skype client.
>>>>
>>>> Please, the more detailed, specific, and number of suggestion's/issues
>>>> that you are able to share, it will provide a better
>>>> Skype user experience, making it more accessible and usable for all of
>>>> us.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Kevin
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Re: Skype Accessibility

[Kevin Chao]

Thanks everyone! I've taken all the feedback that's been shared via
this thread, especially as it relates to VoiceOver accessibility and
Skype of what's not working at all, what can work better, or what
people would like to see. I've taken all of this and provided all this
feedback as individual bug reports into the bug tracking system. Each
specific issue/suggestion/request are individual bug reports with lots
of required detailed information. The Beta Manager, Product Manager,
and Engineers all have seen these reports or will see them very soon.

Thanks,

Kevin

On 12/14/11, Jessica  wrote:
> I had the same problem on my pc, even with scripts installed, so you're not
> the only one.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Missy Hoppe" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 5:30 AM
> Subject: RE: Skype Accessibility
>
>
>> Hi! I'm probably not enough of a skype user to really chime in on this,
>> but I just find the whole layout very confusing. For
>> example, when I open skype now, it always goes to this html thing. It
>> seems that it used to open on a list of my contacts,
>> and that said list didn't have those annoying favorites checkboxes. I
>> think the layout should be more customizeable,
>> especially at start-up. Or maybe I'm just missing something? Also, finding
>>
>> missed events, especially contact requests, needs
>> to be a bit more intuitive, but there again, it could just be my lack of
>> experience. I never use skype at all on my PC; if I
>> bother with it at all, it's only on the mac. I'm sorry if the things I'm
>> requesting are already possible and I'm just too
>> inexperienced to  figure them out, but off the top of my head, those are
>> the suggestions I have.
>> Missy
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 12:01 AM
>> To: macvisionaries
>> Subject: Skype Accessibility
>>
>> I'm in close communications with Skype about Mac OS X and iOS clients,
>> especially when it comes to VoiceOver accessibility. I
>> would like to know what it is you, the user like to see as new
>> functionality for VoiceOver, fixed, or otherwise improved upon
>> when it comes to Mac OS X VoiceOver accessibility and Mac Skype client.
>>
>> Please, the more detailed, specific, and number of suggestion's/issues
>> that you are able to share, it will provide a better
>> Skype user experience, making it more accessible and usable for all of us.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Kevin
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Re: Skype Accessibility

[Kevin Chao]

Please be sure everyone are running the latest public Skype version
from Skype.com, there’s a public 5.4 beta available.

I cannot ensure or guarantee that all these issues will be fixed, but
can assure that they are being reported properly, within the tracking
system, and all the managers, engineers, and testers are seeing these
issues. This is in huge contrast to how Skype Voiceover accessibility
was handled before I was added as a beta tester, where people were
talking about them, finding work-arounds, and settling for these
issues within forums, mailing list, Twitter, etc.

Kevin

On 12/14/11, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> Kevin,
>
> I'd like to know, if all our reports are going to turn into something
> positive?  I just do not want to see that we provide the reports and when a
> new version of Skype comes out things remain the same.  We have have had
> lots of updates to Skype and we have never seen things fixed.  I am not
> trying to be negative but rather I'd like to see the positives.
>
> Kawal.
> On 14 Dec 2011, at 22:03, Kevin Chao wrote:
>
>> Thanks everyone! I've taken all the feedback that's been shared via
>> this thread, especially as it relates to VoiceOver accessibility and
>> Skype of what's not working at all, what can work better, or what
>> people would like to see. I've taken all of this and provided all this
>> feedback as individual bug reports into the bug tracking system. Each
>> specific issue/suggestion/request are individual bug reports with lots
>> of required detailed information. The Beta Manager, Product Manager,
>> and Engineers all have seen these reports or will see them very soon.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>> On 12/14/11, Jessica  wrote:
>>> I had the same problem on my pc, even with scripts installed, so you're
>>> not
>>> the only one.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Missy Hoppe" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 5:30 AM
>>> Subject: RE: Skype Accessibility
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi! I'm probably not enough of a skype user to really chime in on this,
>>>> but I just find the whole layout very confusing. For
>>>> example, when I open skype now, it always goes to this html thing. It
>>>> seems that it used to open on a list of my contacts,
>>>> and that said list didn't have those annoying favorites checkboxes. I
>>>> think the layout should be more customizeable,
>>>> especially at start-up. Or maybe I'm just missing something? Also,
>>>> finding
>>>>
>>>> missed events, especially contact requests, needs
>>>> to be a bit more intuitive, but there again, it could just be my lack of
>>>> experience. I never use skype at all on my PC; if I
>>>> bother with it at all, it's only on the mac. I'm sorry if the things I'm
>>>> requesting are already possible and I'm just too
>>>> inexperienced to  figure them out, but off the top of my head, those are
>>>> the suggestions I have.
>>>> Missy
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 12:01 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries
>>>> Subject: Skype Accessibility
>>>>
>>>> I'm in close communications with Skype about Mac OS X and iOS clients,
>>>> especially when it comes to VoiceOver accessibility. I
>>>> would like to know what it is you, the user like to see as new
>>>> functionality for VoiceOver, fixed, or otherwise improved upon
>>>> when it comes to Mac OS X VoiceOver accessibility and Mac Skype client.
>>>>
>>>> Please, the more detailed, specific, and number of suggestion's/issues
>>>> that you are able to share, it will provide a better
>>>> Skype user experience, making it more accessible and usable for all of
>>>> us.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Kevin
>>>>
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Re: Skype Accessibility

[Kevin Chao]

You are using wrong way to filter.
There is specific quickfilter field in the main window toolbar.
You need to enter the "toolbar" table and then navigate to a field
which is labelled as "Search search text field".
Using this quickfilter will present all relevant conversations and
contact matching the string you entered.

Kevin


On 12/15/11, Mr. L. Alexander  wrote:
> I very much agree.
>
> fixing accessibility issues in an app requires more than just 1 simple fix,
> as soon as you change 1 component in an app, the domino affect occurs. that
> change affects the way another component, whether it be a script, function,
> library object, etc to behave differently, thus meaning that each part has
> to be edited several times to solve. So, yes it's going to take a few
> version updates to resolve. lets's not forget who owns skype now though...
> MICROSOFT! so that explains one thing.
>
> Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment) we
> still have rights of equality and access. it's just a question of working in
> partnership with developers, even if it means becoming beta testers
> officially and having direct input.
>
> lew
>
> On 15 Dec 2011, at 10:27, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
>
>> I was going to keep my big politically incorrect mouth shut in this
>> thread, but i can't help saying this: Do *not* expect the bugs we report
>> will be fixed 10 minutes ago, because they won't. Maybe it'll take several
>> updates if at all. Someone said a good thing in another thread a while
>> back, namely that we are such a tiny little group that we are not in any
>> way prioritized. I don't say this to discourage anyone, just telling as it
>> is. I know how frustrating it can be to wait for bugs to be fixed and
>> issues to be looked at, but have patience, that's all i can say. Only my 2
>> cents worth in this matter, now flame me however much you like.
>> /Krister
>>
>> 14 dec 2011 kl. 23:35 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu:
>>
>>> Kevin,
>>>
>>> I'd like to know, if all our reports are going to turn into something
>>> positive?  I just do not want to see that we provide the reports and when
>>> a new version of Skype comes out things remain the same.  We have have
>>> had lots of updates to Skype and we have never seen things fixed.  I am
>>> not trying to be negative but rather I'd like to see the positives.
>>>
>>> Kawal.
>>> On 14 Dec 2011, at 22:03, Kevin Chao wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks everyone! I've taken all the feedback that's been shared via
>>>> this thread, especially as it relates to VoiceOver accessibility and
>>>> Skype of what's not working at all, what can work better, or what
>>>> people would like to see. I've taken all of this and provided all this
>>>> feedback as individual bug reports into the bug tracking system. Each
>>>> specific issue/suggestion/request are individual bug reports with lots
>>>> of required detailed information. The Beta Manager, Product Manager,
>>>> and Engineers all have seen these reports or will see them very soon.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Kevin
>>>>
>>>> On 12/14/11, Jessica  wrote:
>>>>> I had the same problem on my pc, even with scripts installed, so you're
>>>>> not
>>>>> the only one.
>>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>> From: "Missy Hoppe" 
>>>>> To: 
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 5:30 AM
>>>>> Subject: RE: Skype Accessibility
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi! I'm probably not enough of a skype user to really chime in on
>>>>>> this,
>>>>>> but I just find the whole layout very confusing. For
>>>>>> example, when I open skype now, it always goes to this html thing. It
>>>>>> seems that it used to open on a list of my contacts,
>>>>>> and that said list didn't have those annoying favorites checkboxes. I
>>>>>> think the layout should be more customizeable,
>>>>>> especially at start-up. Or maybe I'm just missing something? Also,
>>>>>> finding
>>>>>>
>>>>>> missed events, especially contact requests, needs
>>>>>> to be a bit more intuitive, but there again, it could just be my lack
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> experience. I never use skype at all on

Re: Skype Accessibility

[Kevin Chao]

Re: startup focus/source.
By design.
Paid users DO have focus in contact list.
Non paid users have focus in Skype Home which is the "random HTML
content" described.

Kevin

On 12/15/11, Kevin Chao  wrote:
> You are using wrong way to filter.
> There is specific quickfilter field in the main window toolbar.
> You need to enter the "toolbar" table and then navigate to a field
> which is labelled as "Search search text field".
> Using this quickfilter will present all relevant conversations and
> contact matching the string you entered.
>
> Kevin
>
>
> On 12/15/11, Mr. L. Alexander  wrote:
>> I very much agree.
>>
>> fixing accessibility issues in an app requires more than just 1 simple
>> fix,
>> as soon as you change 1 component in an app, the domino affect occurs.
>> that
>> change affects the way another component, whether it be a script,
>> function,
>> library object, etc to behave differently, thus meaning that each part
>> has
>> to be edited several times to solve. So, yes it's going to take a few
>> version updates to resolve. lets's not forget who owns skype now
>> though...
>> MICROSOFT! so that explains one thing.
>>
>> Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment) we
>> still have rights of equality and access. it's just a question of working
>> in
>> partnership with developers, even if it means becoming beta testers
>> officially and having direct input.
>>
>> lew
>>
>> On 15 Dec 2011, at 10:27, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
>>
>>> I was going to keep my big politically incorrect mouth shut in this
>>> thread, but i can't help saying this: Do *not* expect the bugs we report
>>> will be fixed 10 minutes ago, because they won't. Maybe it'll take
>>> several
>>> updates if at all. Someone said a good thing in another thread a while
>>> back, namely that we are such a tiny little group that we are not in any
>>> way prioritized. I don't say this to discourage anyone, just telling as
>>> it
>>> is. I know how frustrating it can be to wait for bugs to be fixed and
>>> issues to be looked at, but have patience, that's all i can say. Only my
>>> 2
>>> cents worth in this matter, now flame me however much you like.
>>> /Krister
>>>
>>> 14 dec 2011 kl. 23:35 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu:
>>>
>>>> Kevin,
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to know, if all our reports are going to turn into something
>>>> positive?  I just do not want to see that we provide the reports and
>>>> when
>>>> a new version of Skype comes out things remain the same.  We have have
>>>> had lots of updates to Skype and we have never seen things fixed.  I am
>>>> not trying to be negative but rather I'd like to see the positives.
>>>>
>>>> Kawal.
>>>> On 14 Dec 2011, at 22:03, Kevin Chao wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks everyone! I've taken all the feedback that's been shared via
>>>>> this thread, especially as it relates to VoiceOver accessibility and
>>>>> Skype of what's not working at all, what can work better, or what
>>>>> people would like to see. I've taken all of this and provided all this
>>>>> feedback as individual bug reports into the bug tracking system. Each
>>>>> specific issue/suggestion/request are individual bug reports with lots
>>>>> of required detailed information. The Beta Manager, Product Manager,
>>>>> and Engineers all have seen these reports or will see them very soon.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/14/11, Jessica  wrote:
>>>>>> I had the same problem on my pc, even with scripts installed, so
>>>>>> you're
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> the only one.
>>>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>>> From: "Missy Hoppe" 
>>>>>> To: 
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 5:30 AM
>>>>>> Subject: RE: Skype Accessibility
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi! I'm probably not enough of a skype user to really chime in on
>>>>>>> this,
>>>>>>> but I just find the whole layout very confusing. For
>>>>>>> example, when I open skype now, it always goes to 

Re: Skype Accessibility

[Kevin Chao]

There is a + button in the incoming call monitor labelled in VO as
"merge calls button"

Kevin

On 12/15/11, Mr. L. Alexander  wrote:
> I'm sorry. maybe I should have been more direct in my meaning.
>
> Take as a primary instance and as the discussion has formed over this
> product, Skype.
>
> Because of the way the app is designed, it's coded in 2 versions. the
> microsoft windows compiled version and the mac compiled version using two
> programming formats.
>
> with reference to the accessibility coding rules, as far as microsoft are
> concerned, they have played their part, however because this product is a
> widespread application and developed as a port on the mac, accessibility
> management has to be applied.
>
> the XBOX is not a product I have any experience with what so ever so I
> cannot justify nor make comment on the product.
>
> My view is this.
>
> For a product to work for us, we need to be clear to developers of what we
> need in the form of screen reader support. So for this to happen, it's worth
> taking a few of us to each developer, explaining what we need out of the
> product, the solution, our willingness to be involved as beta testers /
> developers, etc to make a difference.
>
> A sighted person doesn't need adaptations to a product as it's straight
> forward GUI method, for a blind or visually impaired user, the adaptation is
> imperative. Otherwise what's the point.
>
> I'm not going any further as this might land me in trouble here for telling
> certain manufacturers of certain software what I think of them. so I won't
>
> lol
>
> lew
>
> On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:12, Daniel Miller wrote:
>
>> Microgarbage already discriminates in the first place. I know this is off
>> topic, but take the Xbox 360, for example. That’s not accessible to all
>> users, only those with vision. By that I mean the dashboard (which is
>> where you make any system settings changes, etc) isn’t accessible.
>>
>>
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. L. Alexander
>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 11:09 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility
>>
>> if that were to be the case, that in itself is product exclusion and
>> discrimination to users relying on the mac.
>>
>> lew
>>
>>
>> On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:07, Chris Blouch wrote:
>>
>>
>> I wonder what impact the new FCC notice of proposed rule making will have
>> for accessibility in communications apps. Will any email or chat app have
>> to be accessibly implemented on at least one platform? So if they make
>> Skype work with Jaws on Windows does that mean they don't have to do
>> anything for VO on OSX?
>>
>> CB
>>
>> On 12/15/11 5:58 AM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote:
>>
>> Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment) we
>> still have rights of equality and access. it's just a question of working
>> in partnership with developers, even if it means becoming beta testers
>> officially and having direct input.
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Re: Skype Accessibility

[Kevin Chao]

FYI: Skype does have blind VoiceOver beta testers, I was  officially
added as one of them a few days ago, I am plugged into system, betas,
etc.

No, I cannot and will not comment on future betas, things that may be
fixed, broken, etc. However, please post any/all issues you've
experienced, would like to see fixed, or think would be great to have
within this specific thread, and I will do what I can to ensure that
the product managers, engineers, etc. nkow about them.

Kevin

On 12/15/11, Mr. L. Alexander  wrote:
> not to my knowledge.
>
> to be completely honest, my view on this is for a developer to design the
> program elements in such a way they can be shifted to both mac and windows
> but using each OS independent programming languages and their own compilers.
> thus allowing each OS to create accessibility adaptations which don't
> interupt or conflict.
>
> anyway this is now becoming a programming ethos and not skype accessibility
> issue. so at this point.. I'm out! lol hehehehe
>
> lew
>
> On 15 Dec 2011, at 18:16, Chris Blouch wrote:
>
>> Is there such a cross-platform compiler system that supports
>> accessibility? Most Mac developers I know of use XCode and so I'm not sure
>> how this could be used with a common codebase. I know one developer who
>> was using MonoTouch to make iOS and android apps and the iOS versions were
>> pretty much totally inaccessible.
>>
>> I also disagree with Adobe's approach, but as for covering themselves for
>> FCC compliance they might have a reasonable case to make.
>>
>> Do you know of a good cross-platform (Mac/Windows or iOS/Android) IDE that
>> works with accessibility APIs?
>>
>> CB
>>
>> On 12/15/11 1:02 PM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote:
>>>
>>> A simple solution is this and it's something easy to manage.
>>>
>>> Where an application developer creates an application from scratch as an
>>> example and intends to write for multiple OS architectures, Windows, Mac,
>>> Linux, etc,
>>>
>>> The developer in most cases has 2 options. Either a universal custom
>>> manguage allowing just one app to be created, then to be compiled to  sub
>>> platforms ( OS X, windows, linux, etc) or and this would be a much better
>>> option.
>>>
>>> the developer of an app have a dedicated windows system and dedicated mac
>>> system to use suitable programming languages which then give user
>>> accessibility options based on the true OS on each host. thereby giving a
>>> much cleaner approach to creating a market app.
>>>
>>> I completely disagree with adobe in their support infrastructure to
>>> access technology. They're a company primarily based in design and
>>> production tools and of course as part of their infrastructure use
>>> plugins which the consumer uses such as adobe flash, shockwave, etc in
>>> any website environment. not allowing us to gain access to the products
>>> in question is their own problem but they will bring it upon themselves.
>>>
>>> Getting back to the developer side of things.
>>>
>>> I've been involved with a couple of companies over some time where
>>> certain tools I use have  been adapted to my needs. it's taken time but
>>> luckily, the team I work with know where I'm coming from and what I need,
>>> so implementation doesn't take long. it's emailed over to me or accessed
>>> over server to check and then taken on as my tools of the trade.
>>>
>>> Where we stand to be honest is very carefully. the problem we have is
>>> that our voices aren't heard nor understood. you get those in the IT
>>> world who just don't grasp the situation, then there's the types who roll
>>> out any old junk just to rake in the money.
>>>
>>> I hope and pray that one day, developers see us as real people with real
>>> needs and not a burden on resources... no... not... "That's a lovely
>>> burden you've got there" kind of thing.
>>>
>>> lol
>>>
>>> lew
>>>
>>>
>>> On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:49, Chris Blouch wrote:
>>>
 But what is the other extreme? Does a vendor need to support any
 platform they have an app for? What if they take the Adobe approach and
 support the IAccessible2 API which doesn't exit on Mac? Adobe could
 claim safe harbor because they did implement accessibility and it's
 Apple's lack of support of an open standard that makes it fail. Or
 should they be required to support a specific AT on each platform? That
 would work well for the Mac where VO is pretty much it, but on Windows
 or BlackBerry where AT is bolted on from a menu of different vendors,
 that could be untenable. Will be interesting to see how this plays out
 and if there are any unintended consequences.

 CB

 On 12/15/11 12:09 PM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote:
>
> if that were to be the case, that in itself is product exclusion and
> discrimination to users relying on the mac.
>
> lew
>
>
> On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:07, Chris Blouch wrote:
>
>> I wonder what impact the new FCC notice of proposed rule making wi

Re: iPad settings navigation

[Kevin Chao]

AFAIK, focus has never moved from navigation list to content container. As
others have suggestd, it's required to navigate by containers.
Android N has multi-window support.

On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 9:05 AM 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries <
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Well, that's certainly faster than jumping to the end of the settings
> and flicking backwards but it still seems like focus should move there
> automatically when I double-tap a particular preference. So this is how
> it used to work? Did focus land on the first control or just the first
> bit of text?
>
> CB
>
> On 3/9/16 6:10 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> > Aa, chris, my friend.  You need to turn your rotor to containers.  Two
> > finger twist until you get there.  Then, flick up and down with one
> > finger. This will jump you from the settings on the left side to the
> > setting content of the setting payne which is currently selected.
> >
> > Hope that helps.
> >
> > Chris.
> >
> > - Original Message - From: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries"
> > 
> > To: "MacVisionaries" 
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 11:07 AM
> > Subject: iPad settings navigation
> >
> >
> > I usually use an iPhone but I was helping a Android developer who wanted
> > to know how best to implement a accessible tablet UI with a split pane
> > such as a column of items on the left which, when selected, displays
> > some kind of stuff on the right - like Settings on iOS. So I said I
> > would check how Apple did it because that would probably be a good
> > example. Now on the phone, when I go to settings and pick something,
> > such as "General", the whole screen changes and my focus lands on the
> > "Settings" button to take me back where I was. On the iPad this is not
> > the case. Because the list of settings and the UI for the selected
> > setting are on the screen all the time, when I double-tap a settings the
> > right side reloads with the UI but my focus just lands on the Settings
> > heading at the top. I was kinda hoping my focus would just move to the
> > first item in the right pane for me. I can just randomly tap over there
> > but is there some gesture to jump to the right side? I can also
> > four-finger tap at the bottom of the screen which takes me to the last
> > item and then flick left (backwards) through the various items but it
> > seems like there should be a better way.
> >
> > CB
> >
>
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Anyone install OS X 10.11.4?

[Kevin Chao]

http://applevis.com/blog/apple-mac-os-x-news/apple-releases-os-x-el-capitan-10114-bug-fixes-and-enhancements
Have others noticed any other VoiceOver improvements?

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Re: Anyone install OS X 10.11.4?

[Kevin Chao]

I was hoping that some web-related accessibility bugs would have been
resolved, but they're still present.
e.g. contentEditables and treeviews are still broken as ever with
VoiceOver.

On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 5:31 AM Ray Foret jr  wrote:

> Honestly, not that I can tell.  It seems to be more responsive and I
> suspect that they’ve knocked out the toxic character string.  Let’s hope we
> don’t have to take a chance and find out.
>
>
> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind
> built-in
>
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>
> On Mar 22, 2016, at 5:05 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <
> clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Does it sound any different though Audibly?
> ---
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> - Original Message -
> *From:* Ray Foret jr 
> *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 22, 2016 5:58 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Anyone install OS X 10.11.4?
>
> They have pushed out a new update to Alex in this version.  I am guessing
> that this is a response to the crashes we all know about from fatal
> character strings which we reported to them.
>
>
> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind
> built-in
>
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>
> On Mar 21, 2016, at 10:50 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>
>
> http://applevis.com/blog/apple-mac-os-x-news/apple-releases-os-x-el-capitan-10114-bug-fixes-and-enhancements
> Have others noticed any other VoiceOver improvements?
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Re: the 4-finger swipe

[Kevin Chao]

4-finger swipe-left or right will  go to next/previous app in that
direction.

On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 9:11 PM Jed Barton  wrote:

> so do you swipe up or down, left or right?
>
> On 3/22/2016 3:28 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
> > I just tried before finger gesture for the first time when in mail. It
> flipped to Safari. First shot. There was a bit of a delay, but it work.
> > Mary
> > PS, running an iPhone 6s.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Mar 22, 2016, at 12:20 PM, Jenine Stanley 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> It allows you, from an open app, to move back and forth through your
> other open apps as you would with the app switcher. Again, it’s not
> something for which there is no other gesture or way to access but
> something that’s pretty nifty and more like a multi-tasking feel if you
> will.
> >>
> >> I was all over the 3D touch gesture when we got it to access the app
> switcher and yes, it is or at least seems to be so far, much more stable in
> 9.3.
> >> Jenine Stanley
> >> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 3:18 PM, Christina C. 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> what is it supposed to accomplish?
> >>>
> >>>
>  On Mar 22, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Jenine Stanley 
> wrote:
> 
>  Is anyone else having trouble getting the 4-finger left and right
> swipe gesture to work? I love the concept of what it’s supposed to do but I
> can’t get it to work.
> 
>  I have a 6S and small hands but somehow the swipe just doesn’t work.
> 
>  It took me a while to get the 3-finger swipe to work though so maybe
> I just need to go into the VO practice area for a while with it.
>  Jenine Stanley
>  dragonwalke...@gmail.com
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Re: Anyone install OS X 10.11.4?

[Kevin Chao]

http://www.applevis.com/forum/accessibility-advocacy/opinion-apple-needs-step-it-when-it-comes-os-x-accessibility
On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 2:24 PM Jonathan Cohn  wrote:

> Well, if you can actually get to the point where VO says interacting with
> edit text, then vo-L will work.
>
> Tested on the full gmail site, by typing “/line nav” and then doing
> interact with until I heard interact with text edit. Those funky combo
> boxes like on the google home page don’t seem to work no matter what you
> try.
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Jonathan
>
>
>
> > On 23 Mar 2016, at 10:43, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> >
> > I doon't noticce any differences either. The biggest issue I'm still
> noticing which has been in El Capitan from the beginning is, in Safari,
> when typing text in to an edit field, pressing vo+l to read the current
> line does not work.
> > Original message:
> >> I was hoping that some web-related accessibility bugs would have been
> resolved, but they're still present.
> >> e.g. contentEditables and treeviews are still broken as ever with
> VoiceOver.
> >
> >> On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 5:31 AM Ray Foret jr  <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Honestly, not that I can tell. It seems to be more responsive and I
> suspect that they’ve knocked out the toxic character string. Let’s hope we
> don’t have to take a chance and find out.
> >
> >
> >> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the
> blind built-in
> >
> >> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> >> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
> >
> >
> >> On Mar 22, 2016, at 5:05 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <
> clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >> Does it sound any different though Audibly?
> >> ---
> >> Christopher Gilland
> >> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> >> Training Instructor.
> >> clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>
> >> Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
> >
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: Ray Foret jr <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>
> >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 5:58 AM
> >> Subject: Re: Anyone install OS X 10.11.4?
> >> They have pushed out a new update to Alex in this version. I am
> guessing that this is a response to the crashes we all know about from
> fatal character strings which we reported to them.
> >
> >
> >> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the
> blind built-in
> >
> >> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> >> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
> >
> >
> >> On Mar 21, 2016, at 10:50 PM, Kevin Chao  <mailto:kevincha...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >>
> http://applevis.com/blog/apple-mac-os-x-news/apple-releases-os-x-el-capitan-10114-bug-fixes-and-enhancements
> <
> http://applevis.com/blog/apple-mac-os-x-news/apple-releases-os-x-el-capitan-10114-bug-fixes-and-enhancements
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Accessibility of iWork for iCloud?

[Kevin Chao]

Hi,
Has anyone tried iWork for iCloud? If so, are there  tips/suggestions on
VoiceOver interacting with KeyNote?
I was trying to review some slides, but only accessible way I found was to
print to PDF then read in Preview...The UI to even accomplish this was not
very intuitive.
Hope I am missing something obvious.
Thanks!

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Re: Accessibility of iWork for iCloud?

[Kevin Chao]

Some slides I was trying to preview using KeyNote for iCloud:
https://www.icloud.com/keynote/000ZnYO_wgYxbJSXMfJ938_yg#Apple_iWork_%26_MS_Office_Document_Accessibility_on_OS_X_and_iOS

https://www.icloud.com/keynote/000u6tS8xjkddUvJlb3MVKI6Q#Apple_Watch_Accessibility

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 12:03 PM Kevin Chao  wrote:

> Hi,
> Has anyone tried iWork for iCloud? If so, are there  tips/suggestions on
> VoiceOver interacting with KeyNote?
> I was trying to review some slides, but only accessible way I found was to
> print to PDF then read in Preview...The UI to even accomplish this was not
> very intuitive.
> Hope I am missing something obvious.
> Thanks!
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Re: Facebook app question

[Kevin Chao]

Related thread on eyes-free:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/eyes-free/WUVsursEIOo

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 8:33 PM Mary Otten  wrote:

> I'm cross posting in case there are people on the Mac list to use iPads
> but not iPhone. I often run across items in my Facebook feed which say that
> person a and person be have shared a link. When this happens, if you double
> tap on the item, you get nothing. If you to finger double tap, you get a
> choice two choices really, one of which is more. If you double tap the more
> choice, you get to save the link and that's it. There's no way to go
> directly to the story you want to read. What am I missing? Is there a way,
> when you get one of these items, which more than one person has shared,
> where you can directly do some gesture, which will take you to the story
> you want to read? It's very irritating.
> Mary
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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Kevin Chao]

With the intro of another iPad Pro and re-intro of 4" iPhone SE. This was
in addition to the other hardware SKUs that seem to be added with each
hardware intro event.
This is almost dé·jà vu of when Pepsi CEO  had every pro/consumer hardware
SKUs under the planet that utterly confused and overhwelmed the market. Too
bad we won't be able to have Steve Jobs come back in and make the simple
4x4 grid of pro/consumer and desktop/laptop. . The magic, "just works" and
simpleintuitive Apple is long gone...

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> Not sure I would call it a Mac issue. The rate of growth of Mac sales
> have slowed from last year in Q4 (2.8% up) but that's better than the
> overall PC market which shrank (8.3% down). Might just be an indication
> of overall market trends. That said, PCs (in the generic sense) tend to
> be more durable than mobile devices which get replaced far more often
> and generally cost more. So maybe the PC market is just getting
> saturated. My wife's MacBook is now 8 years old and still works fine. In
> that same time period she went through three phones. Maybe not typical
> but I wouldn't declare the death of the PC platform based just on unit
> sales.
>
> CB
>
> On 3/26/16 6:23 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
> > I’d watch it.  The bits you’re interested in are at the start, where
> Apple talk about recycling, and the end, where Apple proclaim that it’s
> “Really sad” that people are using PCs that are five years old.
> >
> > Me?  Cynical?  Never! :)
> >
> > I think the Mac is dead, anyway.  Well, if you disagree, cool beans, but
> I think it’s fairly evident that Macs fall under the general umbrella of
> PCs.  And, don’t you think it’s fairly apparent from the non-appearance of
> new Macs and the quality of OS X nowadays?
> >
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Re: comparing: Openbook vs K1000

[Kevin Chao]

Do either of these run on Mac or iOS?
On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 6:33 AM Jessica Moss 
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> Just out of curiousity, how much is the pearl compared to the zoom Ex?  I
> have a zoom Ex, and love it, so if you can afford that, or can have DBS
> invest in it, that could be an option.
> > On Mar 30, 2016, at 2:14 AM, NCBM Moses Choo 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > 1.If you are thinking of the pearl camera, I suggest that you  save
> > the money. Its rather expensive but not as accurate as a flatbed scanner.
> >
> > 2.I have not tried the latest version of K1000 but if you want
> > something cheap you can go for the omnipage which is now available both
> for
> > Windows and Mac.
> >
> >
> > Moses.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joanne Chua
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 2:06 PM
> > To: undisclosed-recipients:
> > Subject: Ot: comparing: Openbook vs K1000
> >
> > Hi there,
> >
> > In i'm the market of getting an OCR software. I have experience with both
> > software in the pass, some versions ago.  Just wondering, for those that
> may
> > have use both or  have experience with both software, especially the
> > openbook 9 and k1000 14, what is the advantes and disadvantages of each
> > other?
> >
> > What do you like about openbook and k1000?
> >
> > I can get the Pearl camera with the openbook however, that is not my
> first
> > consideration. I need an OCR software that can scan accurate, fast, and
> > reliable.
> >
> > I have ABBY Find reader on my IMac, however, i'm looking for some window
> os
> > solution.
> >
> > Thanks for all the suggestions, comments and thoughtss
> >
> > Regards
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Re: Refreshing Google Drive

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Have you tried freeing-up storage on drive.google.com?

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 3:49 PM Vaughn Brown  wrote:

> Hello folks,
>
> I am trying to refresh my Google Drive. It came up with an error message
> stating that I am out of storage. Even when I deleted the folders
> containing the files, it still keeps saying error. I tried VO space and
> VO+Shift space on the “error” at the very end of the window.
> Any suggestions would be very much appreciated.
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> Thank you,
> Vaughn
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Re: Safari Annoyance in Latest Build

[Kevin Chao]

I've been using Chrome and it works great.

On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 11:19 AM Brian Fischler 
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> I am still running Yosemite and running the latest build of safari and
> wanted to see if anyone else noticed this. I use a website every day where
> I will get a pop up to perform another action. Prior to the latest update I
> could just hit return to perform the default action now though I have to
> actually VO right arrow several times to the ok button. Anyone else notice
> this? Is it me or has Apple really been going backwards on the mac as far
> as VO performance. I am getting a new machine next week and not looking
> forward to it running El Cap.
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Re: ML & updating Safari?

[Kevin Chao]

As another member suggested, Chrome should work. It works really well with
VoiceOver!

On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 9:53 PM Sabahattin Gucukoglu 
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> Or Mavericks.  That wasn’t too bad, either, although it was definitely the
> early beginnings of the storm.  This was the release were iBooks wasn’t
> accessible, for the whole time.  But at least Mail didn’t slow right down,
> the way it does in El Cap and Yosemite.
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Re: Safari Annoyance in Latest Build

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On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 6:48 AM Devin Prater  wrote:

> I hate that Chromevox can't access the chrome menues
>
ChromeVox is intended for the HTML content, so VoiceOver works for chrome
of chrome (e.g. menus, omnibar, etc.)

> though. Really makes Chrome hard for me.
>
It's possible to fully use VoiceOVEr with Chrome, so ChromeVox can be used
as a secondary screen reader on Mac Chrome.

> Add to that that every time I launch it Chrmovox starts a loop of wrapping
> to top sounds,
>
I don't think other users are having this, so wonder if you've tried to
remove ChromeVox from chrome://extensions?

> and yeah, Chrome is unusable.
>
Many others, including myself use it all of the time, including right now
to respond to this message.

>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 2, 2016, at 4:46 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>
> I've been using Chrome and it works great.
>
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 11:19 AM Brian Fischler 
> wrote:
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>> I am still running Yosemite and running the latest build of safari and
>> wanted to see if anyone else noticed this. I use a website every day where
>> I will get a pop up to perform another action. Prior to the latest update I
>> could just hit return to perform the default action now though I have to
>> actually VO right arrow several times to the ok button. Anyone else notice
>> this? Is it me or has Apple really been going backwards on the mac as far
>> as VO performance. I am getting a new machine next week and not looking
>> forward to it running El Cap.
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Re: Safari Annoyance in Latest Build

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On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 1:11 PM Anders Holmberg 
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> Hi!
> Exept from that its stuck after each list view
>
Hmmm...Is there a site or example of where this can be observed?

> and you have to press tab after each list view to get things working again.
>
Which Mac OS X and Chrome version? Hope we could file  a bug for this after
there is enough info.

> /A
>
> On 02 Apr 2016, at 23:46, Kevin Chao  wrote:
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> I've been using Chrome and it works great.
>
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 11:19 AM Brian Fischler 
> wrote:
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>> I am still running Yosemite and running the latest build of safari and
>> wanted to see if anyone else noticed this. I use a website every day where
>> I will get a pop up to perform another action. Prior to the latest update I
>> could just hit return to perform the default action now though I have to
>> actually VO right arrow several times to the ok button. Anyone else notice
>> this? Is it me or has Apple really been going backwards on the mac as far
>> as VO performance. I am getting a new machine next week and not looking
>> forward to it running El Cap.
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Re: Safari Annoyance in Latest Build

[Kevin Chao]

On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 1:33 PM Anders Holmberg 
wrote:

> Hi!
> THere must have been a lot of updating since i last used chrome so i take
> back evrything i said.
>
Curious, when ndid you last use it? Chrome has been great with VoiceOver
for a while.

> It seems to work as smooth as expected.
>
Great to hear!

> Nice because i like chrome very much.
>
Same here!

> Does it have a reader like in safari?
>
iReader Chrome extension is what I use for this Reader-like functionality
(hotkey can be enabled):
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/ireader/ppelffpjgkifjfgnbaaldcehkpajlmbc?hl=en


> /A
>
> On 03 Apr 2016, at 22:16, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 1:11 PM Anders Holmberg 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi!
>> Exept from that its stuck after each list view
>>
> Hmmm...Is there a site or example of where this can be observed?
>
>> and you have to press tab after each list view to get things working
>> again.
>>
> Which Mac OS X and Chrome version? Hope we could file  a bug for this
> after there is enough info.
>
>> /A
>>
>> On 02 Apr 2016, at 23:46, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>>
>> I've been using Chrome and it works great.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 11:19 AM Brian Fischler 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am still running Yosemite and running the latest build of safari and
>>> wanted to see if anyone else noticed this. I use a website every day where
>>> I will get a pop up to perform another action. Prior to the latest update I
>>> could just hit return to perform the default action now though I have to
>>> actually VO right arrow several times to the ok button. Anyone else notice
>>> this? Is it me or has Apple really been going backwards on the mac as far
>>> as VO performance. I am getting a new machine next week and not looking
>>> forward to it running El Cap.
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Re: Brows mode equivalent for VO

[Kevin Chao]

QUick-nav can be toggled by pressing left+right arrow keys together. This
will then allow single-letter-nav (e.g. H for heading, b for button, etc.),
right/left arrow to go to next/prev element, right+up or down+left to cycle
through web rotor, and up/down to move to next/prev item in web rotor,
up/down to activate element..

On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 3:11 PM Agent086b  wrote:

> Hi all,
> some screen readers have what they call brows mode for reading web pages
> etc.
> What if anything would be the same thing in VO and if we do how would we
> turn it off or on?
> Thanks for any help.
> Max.
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Re: Safari Annoyance in Latest Build

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On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 6:21 AM Sabahattin Gucukoglu 
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> Well, to be fair, ChromeVox would be a better extension if it could
> actually announce the chrome in Chrome.

It's built using web technology (HTML5/JavaScript) and content scripts are
injected to each page, so this was done by design. It still does better
than traditional/legacy desktop-based screen readers with advanced
interactive web apps (e.g. Twitter, FaceBook, Docs & Drive, Office 365,
etc.).

>   You’d have to leave aside the fact that using a dedicated screen reader
> just for your web browser was kind of crazy to start with, but it’s
> basically the reality on ChromeBooks.
>
Why is this "crazy"? There are so many great web apps that only require a
browser and will work mostly the same across Linux, Mac, Windows, and
Chrome OS. e.g. I'm using inbox.google.com with VoiceOver to interact with
this thread/bundle.

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Re: Safari Annoyance in Latest Build

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> Hi Kevin,
>
> Thanks for your input about chrome. My only hesitation to using chrome is
> the site that I go to daily works fantastic with my personal web spots, and
> I do not think you can create web spots in chrome.

I use auto and personal web spots with Chrome all of the time, so this most
certainly works... It's a VoiceOVEr feature that works in an HTML content.

> Would love to hear if I am wrong. Not sure why Apple did away with enter
> performing the default action in a pop up when it was just clicking the ok
> button.

>From my experience, ENTER does activate default action (e.g. OK button in
popup)  in Chrome+VoiceOver.

> Very disappointing with some of Apple’s latest decisions on the mac
> operating system. Thanks,
> > On Apr 4, 2016, at 9:21 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu 
> wrote:
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> > Well, to be fair, ChromeVox would be a better extension if it could
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Re: Safari Annoyance in Latest Build

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On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 9:46 AM John Panarese  wrote:

>I’ve found that VoiceOver functionality in Safari does not work
> consistently in Chrome.  Sometimes, it works as expected, but other times,
> it simply doesn’t.
>
Do you have specific examples? It'd be great to see if this has been fixed
in more recent versions of Chrome? Thanks!

> I guess you can try your site and see what happens, but I’ll personally
> stick with Safari.
>
Curious, when is the last time you've tried Chrome?

>
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>
> Thanks for your input about chrome. My only hesitation to using chrome is
> the site that I go to daily works fantastic with my personal web spots, and
> I do not think you can create web spots in chrome. Would love to hear if I
> am wrong. Not sure why Apple did away with enter performing the default
> action in a pop up when it was just clicking the ok button. Very
> disappointing with some of Apple’s latest decisions on the mac operating
> system. Thanks,
>
> On Apr 4, 2016, at 9:21 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
>
> Well, to be fair, ChromeVox would be a better extension if it could
> actually announce the chrome in Chrome.  You’d have to leave aside the fact
> that using a dedicated screen reader just for your web browser was kind of
> crazy to start with, but it’s basically the reality on ChromeBooks.
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Re: Safari Annoyance in Latest Build

[Kevin Chao]

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 9:48 AM Seyoon Choi  wrote:

> I switch back and forth between Chrome and Safari simply because I need to
> use Google Chrome for using any Google apps, drive, docs. These apps seem
> to work a lot better on Chrome. But the only thing that Chrome is not
> accessible with is when you have to login to your google account.
>
This was fixed in Canary builds, so please see here for download:
https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/canary.html

>
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> syc20...@gmail.com
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> On Apr 4, 2016, at 11:46 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
>
>I’ve found that VoiceOver functionality in Safari does not work
> consistently in Chrome.  Sometimes, it works as expected, but other times,
> it simply doesn’t. I guess you can try your site and see what happens, but
> I’ll personally stick with Safari.
>
> Take Care
>
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> Hi Kevin,
>
> Thanks for your input about chrome. My only hesitation to using chrome is
> the site that I go to daily works fantastic with my personal web spots, and
> I do not think you can create web spots in chrome. Would love to hear if I
> am wrong. Not sure why Apple did away with enter performing the default
> action in a pop up when it was just clicking the ok button. Very
> disappointing with some of Apple’s latest decisions on the mac operating
> system. Thanks,
>
> On Apr 4, 2016, at 9:21 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
>
> Well, to be fair, ChromeVox would be a better extension if it could
> actually announce the chrome in Chrome.  You’d have to leave aside the fact
> that using a dedicated screen reader just for your web browser was kind of
> crazy to start with, but it’s basically the reality on ChromeBooks.
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Re: Safari Annoyance in Latest Build

[Kevin Chao]

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 6:24 PM Michael Marshall 
wrote:

> try navigating to a heading with quicknav in crome,
>
Which Mac OS X and Chrome version? quick-nav, web rotor, web spots, and
heading nav works here for me with Chrome+VoiceOver.

> you can't move once you get to it.
> the only way you can get around crome is using tab from my experience.
>
In addition to above, item chooser and various other ways of VoiceOver HTML
navigation works in Chrome.

> since firefox do not cair about mac accessibility i still think Safari is
> the way to go.
>
> On 5 Apr 2016, at 2:48 AM, Seyoon Choi  wrote:
>
> I switch back and forth between Chrome and Safari simply because I need to
> use Google Chrome for using any Google apps, drive, docs. These apps seem
> to work a lot better on Chrome. But the only thing that Chrome is not
> accessible with is when you have to login to your google account.
>
> Seyoon Choi
> syc20...@gmail.com
> YouTube Video Content Producer
> Blindinsider
> www.blindinsider.com
> Technology news, podcasts, videos and lifestyle for blind and visually
> impaired
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>
> On Apr 4, 2016, at 11:46 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
>
>I’ve found that VoiceOver functionality in Safari does not work
> consistently in Chrome.  Sometimes, it works as expected, but other times,
> it simply doesn’t. I guess you can try your site and see what happens, but
> I’ll personally stick with Safari.
>
> Take Care
>
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> On Apr 4, 2016, at 11:21 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>
> Hi Kevin,
>
> Thanks for your input about chrome. My only hesitation to using chrome is
> the site that I go to daily works fantastic with my personal web spots, and
> I do not think you can create web spots in chrome. Would love to hear if I
> am wrong. Not sure why Apple did away with enter performing the default
> action in a pop up when it was just clicking the ok button. Very
> disappointing with some of Apple’s latest decisions on the mac operating
> system. Thanks,
>
> On Apr 4, 2016, at 9:21 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
>
> Well, to be fair, ChromeVox would be a better extension if it could
> actually announce the chrome in Chrome.  You’d have to leave aside the fact
> that using a dedicated screen reader just for your web browser was kind of
> crazy to start with, but it’s basically the reality on ChromeBooks.
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Accessibility in Inbox by Gmail - Inbox by Gmail Help

[Kevin Chao]

https://support.google.com/inbox/answer/6083800

Computer accessibility
Inbox is compatible with the following screen readers:

Operating systemScreen reader   Browser
Chrome OS   ChromeVox   Chrome
Microsoft Windows   NVDAFirefox
Mac OS X Yosemite   VoiceOver   Safari
When you open Inbox for the first time, Inbox provides introductory information 
about how to use the application. You can navigate through these introductory 
screens with the left and right arrow keys.

Compose and reply
To reply to an email, start typing in the Reply box below the email. To get to 
more options, like changing the recipients, editing quoted text, or replying 
inline, just expand the compose window by selecting Pop out reply .

Keyboard shortcuts
For the best experience, turn on keyboard shortcuts in Inbox. The following 
table contains some useful shortcuts. To find a complete list while you're 
using Inbox, hold Shift and press ? on your keyboard. Learn how to turn on 
keyboard shortcuts.

ShortcutAction
?   Open keyboard shortcuts help
c   Compose
t   Create a reminder
/   Search
HomeNavigate to first item in main list
j or right arrowNavigate to next item in main list
k or left arrow Navigate to previous item in main list
n   Navigate to next message in an open thread
p   Navigate to previous message in an open thread
o or Enter  Open focused item
Esc Close
Shift + Esc Focus main window
Shift + m   Focus main menu
Shift + b   Focus notifications
x   Select or deselect an item in the main list
Shift + x   Select multiple items
z   Undo last action
 
Tip: To improve keyboard navigation, you can make notifications stay on screen 
for 30 seconds. Then you can press Shift + b to navigate to the notification 
and take an action. To make notifications stay on the screen longer:

Open Inbox.
In the top left, go to the main menu .
Choose  Settings at the bottom.
Choose Other.
Check the box next to "Make notifications stay on the screen longer."
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Re: Page not working properly in chrome.

[Kevin Chao]

On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 2:51 PM Anders Holmberg 
wrote:

> Hi!
> Ok, youtube seems to have issues in chrome.
>
Which Mac OS X and Chrome version?Works for me with OS X 10.9.5 and 10.11.4
with Chrome Stable V49 and Canary V51

> Try the following:
> Do a search for something

Turned off quick-nav with left-right arrow keys > typed query > ENTER

> and jump to the first heading that begins with the search result.
>
Turned on quick-nav with left-right arrows key > H for first heading

> Now try to use quicknav and go right to see more details about the first
> search result.
>
Right Arrow traverses details for first video

> This takes me somewhere else on the site and when i want to jump to the
> next heading

H for next heading goes to second video/heading

> it seems i have been blaced somewhere else.
>
Works here...

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Re: Signing into chrome.

[Kevin Chao]

On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 10:19 AM Anders Holmberg 
wrote:

> Hi!
> One thing that doesn’t work with voiceover on google chrome is to sign
> into chrome.
>
Chrome Menu > Sign-in Tab to email address > type email/password/2FA code >
ENTER

> If i open the settings and try to sign in the only thing i get is unknown.
>
Odd, I'm not geting unknown

> This is with the latest chrome and latest mac osX.
>
I've tried with Chrome Stable V49 and Chrome Canary V51 with Mac OS X
10.9.5 and OS X 10.11.4

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Re: Request for Tips on Using Screen Sharing

[Kevin Chao]

hangouts.google.com has screen sharing and VoiceOVEr is transmitted, which
is great for demos.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 6:41 PM Seyoon Choi  wrote:

> It’s pretty much doing what FaceTime does when you get on a call on your
> mac. It isolates any other audio to optimize audio quality when using
> screen sharing session. I wish Apple would allow you to hear other ends of
> the computer(s) for VO instants.
>
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>
> On Apr 7, 2016, at 8:34 PM, Carter Temm  wrote:
>
> Currently, you can't pass audio from one machine to another using built in
> screen sharing. In the past, I've had friends call me on Skype or services
> like that and use an application such as soundflower or loopback to route
> audio. Sounds really tedious, right? But that's the only thing I know to
> get this to work
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 7, 2016, at 9:42 AM, Scott  wrote:
>
> Are any of these accessible with voice over from the controller /
> presenter’s point of view?
>
>
> On Apr 7, 2016, at 7:36 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>
> There are several applications out there for doing this and each has its
> own features. Generally there are the web conferencing type solutions and
> the remote log in to my computer solutions.
>
> For the Web Conferencing type solutions (I think even skype  has a
> version) you connect together each logging into the same conference ID.
> Then the sharing side clicks a share button and the display will appear in
> a browser window.
>
> Back to my Mac is an example of the other type of connection. In this case
> both connections login with the same account on a server. Essentially you
> register a computer with the service and then a background process is
> available. When you login to that service from a different computer it will
> list the computers currently listening on your account and you pick the one
> you want. At that point you take control of the system.
>
> Also, in most cases the systems on either side of the connection don’t
> need to be running the same operating system.
> con
> Will you need Voiceover directed through the connection also?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Jonathan
>
>
>
> On 7 Apr 2016, at 01:08, M. Taylor  wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> I need to help a friend on a Mac halfway across the country.
>
> I have researched screen sharing via Google but am having a difficult time
> wrapping my mind around how it works.
>
> I would greatly appreciate it if someone could outline the broad strokes on
> how to set such a connection up and how to use it.
>
> Both Macs will be running El Capitan.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Mark
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Re: Signing into chrome.

[Kevin Chao]

It's fixed in Canary, so why not use latest that has the latest in
accessibility, performance, security, stability ,etc. It's never a good
idea to use older versions of browsers, especially at least 10 versions old
as it's a significant risk in security, stability, etc.
https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/canary.html


On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 7:12 AM Jeffrey Shockley 
wrote:

> Hi,
> Another work around until this gets fixed by Google is to download an
> older version of Chrome, such as version 39 or something like that, install
> that one, use it to sign in, then, update back to the newest version. I
> just did this the other day since I couldn’t figure out the sign  in
> process either.
> I hope this helps,
> Jeffrey
>
> On Apr 7, 2016, at 9:51 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>
> Hi!
> Good for you then.
> I stick with safari most of the time.
> /A
>
> On 07 Apr 2016, at 04:41, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 10:19 AM Anders Holmberg 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi!
>> One thing that doesn’t work with voiceover on google chrome is to sign
>> into chrome.
>>
> Chrome Menu > Sign-in Tab to email address > type email/password/2FA code
> > ENTER
>
>> If i open the settings and try to sign in the only thing i get is unknown.
>>
> Odd, I'm not geting unknown
>
>> This is with the latest chrome and latest mac osX.
>>
> I've tried with Chrome Stable V49 and Chrome Canary V51 with Mac OS X
> 10.9.5 and OS X 10.11.4
>
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Re: Reading PDF image files

[Kevin Chao]

drive.google.com can take an image PDF and OCR it to just about any format.

On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 8:58 AM Helga Schreiber 
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> Hi Roland. This is Helga! How are you? YOU said that the app is call PdF
> Sandwich? I'm just wondering! If so, how do I use that app in ordr to
> convert image files? On my iPhone 6S I have PDF to word ap but
> unfortunately it does not convert images! I look forward in hearing form yu
> soon. Thanks and God bless!
>
>
> Helga Schreiber
>
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of
> Blind Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
> Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com
> Skype: helga.schreiber26
> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.as
> px
> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that
> whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
> Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.1
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Re: Reading PDF image files

[Kevin Chao]

   1. Go to drive.google.com
   2. Arrow to PDF that is scanned image
   3. A for actions Menu
   4. Arrow to Open With > ENTER on GOogle Docs
   5. Read text


On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 3:39 PM Anders Holmberg 
wrote:

> Hi!
> And can you be a bit more specific on how to do this?
> /A
>
> On 09 Apr 2016, at 18:55, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>
> drive.google.com can take an image PDF and OCR it to just about any
> format.
>
> On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 8:58 AM Helga Schreiber <
> helga.schreibe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Roland. This is Helga! How are you? YOU said that the app is call PdF
>> Sandwich? I'm just wondering! If so, how do I use that app in ordr to
>> convert image files? On my iPhone 6S I have PDF to word ap but
>> unfortunately it does not convert images! I look forward in hearing form yu
>> soon. Thanks and God bless!
>>
>>
>> Helga Schreiber
>>
>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of
>> Blind Students.
>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
>> Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com
>> Skype: helga.schreiber26
>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.as
>> <http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx>px
>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>>
>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that
>> whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
>> Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.1
>>
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10 Super Efficient Ways Inbox by Gmail Saves You Time

[Kevin Chao]

http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/10-super-efficient-ways-inbox-gmail-saves-time/

10 Super Efficient Ways Inbox by Gmail Saves You Time

Gmail is good as ever, but could Inbox by Gmail be the better choice for you?

Inbox by Gmail is Google’s most recent approach to email organization and 
management. It takes some getting used to, but if it’s capable of giving you a 
simpler email workflow, it’s worth adopting. And now you don’t even need an 
invite to use Inbox!

TIL you can mute in @inboxbygmail by pressing M.

— Josh Todd (@JoshTodd) April 6, 2016

To help you decide whether you should switch over to Inbox completely, we’ll 
show you some of the ways in which it’ll make email better for you. But first, 
let’s show you where everything is in Inbox’s interface.

Where Inbox Options Are

You’ll find all of Inbox’s options and settings in one of five locations:

The toolbar that appears when you hover over a message – This is where you’ll 
find the options to pin an email, snooze it, mark it as done (or move it to the 
inbox)


The pop-up menu that appears when you click on the Move to… icon (three dots 
arranged vertically) in the toolbar shown above
The icon-driven menu hidden behind the Compose button – You’ll be able to see 
the menu when you hover over the big red plus (+) icon at the bottom right in 
Inbox
Inbox’s Settings dialog – To bring this up, click on the hamburger icon at the 
top left in the Inbox interface, and in the fly-out sidebar that appears, click 
on Settings


Individual bundle settings – To bring up the Settings dialog for any bundle, 
hover on its link in the sidebar and click on the gear icon that appears next 
to it.


Now let’s see how Inbox saves you, the user, both time and effort.

1. Turns Your Emails into To-dos

With Gmail, you can send emails as tasks to your to-do list app, but with 
Inbox, your email is your to-do list. Inbox treats it as such because it 
understands that most emails need you to take some kind of action.

Inbox allows you to mark emails as “done” instead of “read” or “archived”. That 
may be a simple change of wording, but it does put a different spin on email 
management.

I'm loving Inbox by Gmail. Making emails "actionable" made the experience 
amazing for a To-Do List junkie like me – Mark "Done"#InboxbyGmail

— Ashley Mitchell (@amitchellidea) October 29, 2014

Emails that you mark as done get shunted out of your way. It’s like checking 
tasks off your to-do list and is the equivalent of archiving in Gmail. You can 
also pin important emails to the top of your inbox for quick access to them.

2. Sorts Email Right for You

Inbox takes the onus of sorting your email and does a pretty good job of it. It 
places similar emails in groups called Bundles.

When you’re setting up Inbox for the first time, you’ll get a prompt to choose 
which type of emails you’d like to see grouped into a separate bundle. Trips, 
Promos, Updates, Forums, and Finance are some of the bundle types that you can 
choose from.



Use the Create new… sidebar link if you’d like to create a custom bundle. You 
can go back and tweak your bundle preferences anytime via Inbox settings.

3. Highlights Just the Data You Need

>From flight times to car rental info to order confirmations, Inbox is familiar 
>with the kind of data that you’re usually looking for in your inbox. That’s 
>why it keeps that important data highlighted at all times in scannable cards 
>for easy identification.



Inbox also makes it easy to tell if an email has attachments, photos, inline 
images, links to videos, etc., by making their thumbnails visible in your inbox.



If you mention a link, a phone number, or an email address while creating a 
reminder in Inbox, its Assist feature brings up extra information that it 
thinks you might need. We’re sharing this tweet as an example:

Another win for @inboxbygmail. I set this reminder for myself a month ago, and 
Inbox knows when my pharmacy opens! pic.twitter.com/pUMliylPnc

— Danger Manley (@DangerManley) March 30, 2016

You’ll appreciate that Inbox is smart enough to not display sensitive data like 
license keys in cards.

4. Speeds up Email Replies

For any email that’s currently open, Inbox lists three text snippets beneath 
the message. These are replies crafted by Inbox to save you some time. Click on 
any of the snippets and a new draft appears with that snippet pasted in the 
body of the reply email. You can review and edit the email before you hit Send.



Inbox notes the changes you make and learns from them, crafting better response 
options with each iteration. It also works its way up to more complex sentences 
as you keep using the Smart Reply feature. Smart replies are available on the 
web and on mobile.

The @inboxbygmail auto-replies are creepily accurate. AI is making impressive 
strides. And saving me time. :-)

— Bart Verkoeijen (@bgever) April 8, 2016

5. Speeds up Searches

The problem with email searches is that you still have to look throu

Re: Accessibility in Inbox by Gmail - Inbox by Gmail Help

[Kevin Chao]

On the Amtrak item, use period shortcut to move it to Trips bundle. It'll
learn this pattern and auto-bundle Amtrak tickets in Trips.
The issue in Chrome is El Capitan specific, as bundles works in Yosemite
and Mavericks.
What do you feel would make this as productive as mail.app? There are lots
of keyboard shortcuts.
iOS app is great and is what I've exclusively used for several months.
On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 9:42 AM Jonathan Cohn  wrote:

> I attempted to use this with both Chrome and Safari. In Safari it works,
> but I think the JAVAScript is running the CPU hard. In Chrome, I could not
> get it to speak the bundle I was in, and so it seemed totally useless.
> Also, while Inbox did grab my hotel reservation and put it into trips, it
> did not seem to recognise the Amtrak ticket associated with the same trip.
>
> Thanks for providing information on this, though I think we still need to
> see a few updates before it will be as efficient as a Native client.
>
> Has anybody tried the IOS version?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Jonathan Cohn
>
>
>
> On 6 Apr 2016, at 21:01, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>
>
> https://support.google.com/inbox/answer/6083800
>
> Computer accessibility
>
> Inbox is compatible with the following screen readers:
> Operating systemScreen readerBrowser
> Chrome OS ChromeVox Chrome
> Microsoft Windows NVDA Firefox
> Mac OS X Yosemite VoiceOver Safari
>
> When you open Inbox for the first time, Inbox provides introductory
> information about how to use the application. You can navigate through
> these introductory screens with the left and right arrow keys.
> Compose and reply
>
> To reply to an email, start typing in the Reply box below the email. To
> get to more options, like changing the recipients, editing quoted text, or
> replying inline, just expand the compose window by selecting Pop out reply 
> [image:
> Pop out reply].
> Keyboard shortcuts
>
> For the best experience, turn on keyboard shortcuts in Inbox. The
> following table contains some useful shortcuts. To find a complete list
> while you're using Inbox, hold *Shift* and press *?* on your keyboard.
> Learn how to turn on keyboard shortcuts
> <https://support.google.com/inbox/answer/6080523>.
> ShortcutAction
> ? Open keyboard shortcuts help
> c Compose
> t Create a reminder
> / Search
> Home Navigate to first item in main list
> j or right arrow Navigate to next item in main list
> k or left arrow Navigate to previous item in main list
> n Navigate to next message in an open thread
> p Navigate to previous message in an open thread
> o or Enter Open focused item
> Esc Close
> Shift + Esc Focus main window
> Shift + m Focus main menu
> Shift + b Focus notifications
> x Select or deselect an item in the main list
> Shift + x Select multiple items
> z Undo last action
>
> *Tip:* To improve keyboard navigation, you can make notifications stay on
> screen for 30 seconds. Then you can press *Shift + b* to navigate to the
> notification and take an action. To make notifications stay on the screen
> longer:
>
>1. Open Inbox <https://inbox.google.com/>.
>2. In the top left, go to the main menu [image: Main menu].
>3. Choose [image: Settings] *Settings* at the bottom.
>4. Choose *Other*.
>5. Check the box next to "Make notifications stay on the screen
>longer."
>6. Select *Done*.
>7.
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Re: Accessibility in Inbox by Gmail - Inbox by Gmail Help

[Kevin Chao]

I made a walkthrough of iOS Inbox by Gmail app with VoiceOver:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/vr16vu8ivbg5ho3/Walkthrough%20of%20iOS%20Inbox%20with%20VoiceOver.m4a?dl=0

On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 10:15 AM Kevin Chao  wrote:

> On the Amtrak item, use period shortcut to move it to Trips bundle. It'll
> learn this pattern and auto-bundle Amtrak tickets in Trips.
> The issue in Chrome is El Capitan specific, as bundles works in Yosemite
> and Mavericks.
> What do you feel would make this as productive as mail.app? There are lots
> of keyboard shortcuts.
> iOS app is great and is what I've exclusively used for several months.
> On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 9:42 AM Jonathan Cohn 
> wrote:
>
>> I attempted to use this with both Chrome and Safari. In Safari it works,
>> but I think the JAVAScript is running the CPU hard. In Chrome, I could not
>> get it to speak the bundle I was in, and so it seemed totally useless.
>> Also, while Inbox did grab my hotel reservation and put it into trips, it
>> did not seem to recognise the Amtrak ticket associated with the same trip.
>>
>> Thanks for providing information on this, though I think we still need to
>> see a few updates before it will be as efficient as a Native client.
>>
>> Has anybody tried the IOS version?
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Jonathan Cohn
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6 Apr 2016, at 21:01, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>>
>>
>> https://support.google.com/inbox/answer/6083800
>>
>> Computer accessibility
>>
>> Inbox is compatible with the following screen readers:
>> Operating systemScreen readerBrowser
>> Chrome OS ChromeVox Chrome
>> Microsoft Windows NVDA Firefox
>> Mac OS X Yosemite VoiceOver Safari
>>
>> When you open Inbox for the first time, Inbox provides introductory
>> information about how to use the application. You can navigate through
>> these introductory screens with the left and right arrow keys.
>> Compose and reply
>>
>> To reply to an email, start typing in the Reply box below the email. To
>> get to more options, like changing the recipients, editing quoted text, or
>> replying inline, just expand the compose window by selecting Pop out reply 
>> [image:
>> Pop out reply].
>> Keyboard shortcuts
>>
>> For the best experience, turn on keyboard shortcuts in Inbox. The
>> following table contains some useful shortcuts. To find a complete list
>> while you're using Inbox, hold *Shift* and press *?* on your keyboard.
>> Learn how to turn on keyboard shortcuts
>> <https://support.google.com/inbox/answer/6080523>.
>> ShortcutAction
>> ? Open keyboard shortcuts help
>> c Compose
>> t Create a reminder
>> / Search
>> Home Navigate to first item in main list
>> j or right arrow Navigate to next item in main list
>> k or left arrow Navigate to previous item in main list
>> n Navigate to next message in an open thread
>> p Navigate to previous message in an open thread
>> o or Enter Open focused item
>> Esc Close
>> Shift + Esc Focus main window
>> Shift + m Focus main menu
>> Shift + b Focus notifications
>> x Select or deselect an item in the main list
>> Shift + x Select multiple items
>> z Undo last action
>>
>> *Tip:* To improve keyboard navigation, you can make notifications stay
>> on screen for 30 seconds. Then you can press *Shift + b* to navigate to
>> the notification and take an action. To make notifications stay on the
>> screen longer:
>>
>>1. Open Inbox <https://inbox.google.com/>.
>>2. In the top left, go to the main menu [image: Main menu].
>>3. Choose [image: Settings] *Settings* at the bottom.
>>4. Choose *Other*.
>>5. Check the box next to "Make notifications stay on the screen
>>longer."
>>6. Select *Done*.
>>7.
>>
>>
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Re: Reading Alert Dialogs on the Mac

[Kevin Chao]

When an Alert dialog is displayed like this, VO-Shift-DOwn Arrow to
interact > VO-Right arrow to traverse the elements > VO-Spacebar to
activate button.
I made a short-audio demo of deleting a Gmail label:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bwr83d0TyR2fZW1OSURoSTJ5UjQ/view?usp=sharing

On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 3:44 AM Sandra E. Finley 
wrote:

> One thing i still struggle with on the Mac is how to read an alert dialog.
> For instance, I was on the gmail web site and wanted to delete a mailbox
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Re: setting up a Gmail account with Outlook 2016 for Mac

[Kevin Chao]

Curious, whow well does Mac Outlook 2016 work with VoiceOver? Are the
critical user journeys all really accessible/usable?

On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 4:13 AM Jenine Stanley 
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> Thanks, got it and all is working fine now.
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> On Apr 22, 2016, at 12:34 AM, Feliciano Godoy 
> wrote:
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> You must enable less secure apps. Go to the security settings at gmail.com
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> On Apr 20, 2016, at 8:09 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
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> Did you look look google help? I believe you need to change. GMail
> security settings.
> On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 9:10 AM Jenine Stanley 
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>> I’m having all kinds of difficulty setting up my GMail account in Outlook
>> 2016. Google has blocked the use of my log-in.
>>
>> What do I do here?
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Re: Slack on iOS and Watch OS

[Kevin Chao]

I've used Slack on Watch and iOS?
Watch is allows reading mentions and messages with VoiceOver
On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 4:48 AM Jenine Stanley 
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> Is anyone successfully using Slack on iOS or Watch OS? I’m particularly
> interested in Watch OS as I’ve seen the VO focus issues on iOS. Would love
> to understand the app more and propose it for some work projects.
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Re: Slack on iOS and Watch OS

[Kevin Chao]

The mobile apps are more accessible and Web is mostly inaccessible.
On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 6:42 PM Jonathan Cohn  wrote:

> I head heard it was entirely inaccessible and that the vendor did not have
> plans to make SLAC usable by the blind. Are there any on-line guides for
> the blind on using slap with any environment?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Jonathan
>
>
>
> On 5 May 2016, at 20:14, Kevin Chao  wrote:
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> I've used Slack on Watch and iOS?
> Watch is allows reading mentions and messages with VoiceOver
> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 4:48 AM Jenine Stanley 
> wrote:
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>> Is anyone successfully using Slack on iOS or Watch OS? I’m particularly
>> interested in Watch OS as I’ve seen the VO focus issues on iOS. Would love
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Accessibility UX of Web Google+

[Kevin Chao]

http://www.applevis.com/forum/accessibility-advocacy/accessibility-ux-web-google
It would be great to have discussion with Mac VoiceOver (ANY assistive
technology) users who have used accessible redesign of
https://plus.google.com/
1. What is your experience with keyboard shortcut (press question mark for
list)? 2. What is your experience with Collection cover photo cropping,
featured names, and colors? 3. What is your experience with
following/unfollowing Collection, Community, and People? 4. What is your
experience with navigating stream (heading navigation or J/K keyboard
shortcut)? 5. What is your experience with creating and interacting with
post and comments (new post, share post, +1 post or comment, add or reply
to comment)?
Shorter version of this in G+ Accessibility Community:
https://plus.google.com/106206510427845892371/posts/A2CTxPnR7Qu?iem=4&gp...
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Re: Problem reading tables

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Do you have link to example? Thanks!
On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 2:23 PM Kristeen Hughes  wrote:

> Does anyone know what causes voiceover to stop reading information after a
> certain number of rows in a table? This table is 45 rows or more and after
> row 18, voiceover stops reading the contents of any column and just says
> row repeatedly.
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> Thanks.
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Re: Amazon's website

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Principal Accessibility @Amazon is pkorn@
On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 2:21 PM Mary Otten  wrote:

> Both the access site and the mobile site don't show full reviews. If you
> want to see a review, you have to click a link. I sort of understand it for
> the mobile site, but not for the so-called access site. That thing is a
> travesty and an abomination. They should've got rid of it along time ago in
> favor of making the regular site compliant with web standards. But this is
> Amazon, so forget it.
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 23, 2015, at 1:24 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> >
> > Hello, it turns out, I think that was the problem.  I have a feeling I
> was on the access site.  I signed out of Amazon & closed Safari.  When I
> opened it up again to do a search, the layout was more familiar with
> headings & such.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Traci
> >
> >> On Dec 23, 2015, at 1:00 PM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
> >>
> >> Have you tried the http://www.amazon.com/access site?
> >> It works a little better than the main site.
> >> Jim
> >>
> >>> On Dec 23, 2015, at 12:49 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> Could you tell me if maybe I have tweaked some safari setting & don’t
> realize it.  Amazon’s website lately, is difficult to navigate.  I’m not
> finding the usual headings to jump to descriptions or reviews, or what
> other customers might have purchased.  When I find the link to read
> reviews, each review shows up as a link, that I then need to click on.
> >>>
> >>> I don’t know what it is, the site’s layout feels off kilter.  Any
> suggestions?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Traci
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Re: Amazon's website

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He has various PM, engineer, and QA on the team. Best to let the
accessibility folks at Amazon know of all the issues, so they can
prioritize.
On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 4:56 PM Mary Otten  wrote:

> If I had a dollar for every letter I have sent to Amazon over the years
> regarding various accessibility issues, I wouldn't be rich. But I would
> certainly be able to go out with my husband to a very very nice dinner.
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 23, 2015, at 4:50 PM, Karen Lewellen 
> wrote:
> >
> > May i suggest you voice your very rich stance to a supervisor at amazon
> via phone?
> > 1-866-216-1072.
> > The new accessible site is even worse than the old one.
> > As they made a very expensive charge mistake for me this week, I would
> sue if i  were in a position to do as much.
> > Still if they do not hear from people they will not know to make changes.
> > Kare
> >
> >
> >> On Thu, 24 Dec 2015, Kevin Chao wrote:
> >>
> >> Principal Accessibility @Amazon is pkorn@
> >>> On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 2:21 PM Mary Otten  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Both the access site and the mobile site don't show full reviews. If
> you
> >>> want to see a review, you have to click a link. I sort of understand
> it for
> >>> the mobile site, but not for the so-called access site. That thing is a
> >>> travesty and an abomination. They should've got rid of it along time
> ago in
> >>> favor of making the regular site compliant with web standards. But
> this is
> >>> Amazon, so forget it.
> >>> Mary
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>> On Dec 23, 2015, at 1:24 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hello, it turns out, I think that was the problem.  I have a feeling I
> >>> was on the access site.  I signed out of Amazon & closed Safari.  When
> I
> >>> opened it up again to do a search, the layout was more familiar with
> >>> headings & such.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Traci
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Dec 23, 2015, at 1:00 PM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Have you tried the http://www.amazon.com/access site?
> >>>>> It works a little better than the main site.
> >>>>> Jim
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Dec 23, 2015, at 12:49 PM, Traci Duncan 
> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Could you tell me if maybe I have tweaked some safari setting &
> don’t
> >>> realize it.  Amazon’s website lately, is difficult to navigate.  I’m
> not
> >>> finding the usual headings to jump to descriptions or reviews, or what
> >>> other customers might have purchased.  When I find the link to read
> >>> reviews, each review shows up as a link, that I then need to click on.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I don’t know what it is, the site’s layout feels off kilter.  Any
> >>> suggestions?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>> Traci
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Re: Amazon's website

[Kevin Chao]

Peter Korn. I provided his ldap in my initial reply, so email address can
be completed by appending Amazon.com
On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 5:03 PM Karen Lewellen 
wrote:

> Wait, Someone knows the individual responsible for accessibility at
> amazon?
> do tell!
> I could not determine who you meant from that post.
> In their defense after my last post, I can say that at least once or twice
> I have reached individuals in  a position to test then repair an issue I
> brought to their attention.
> Given accessibility means different things to different populations, I
> do hope there is a team, not a single person though.
> Kare
>
>
> On Wed, 23 Dec 2015, Mary Otten wrote:
>
> > Yes, I know who the principal accessibility guy at Amazon is. That is
> such a huge company, and he is one guy. I wonder how big his team is.
> Unfortunately, Amazon has a long history of having a screwed up website.
> There are so many things they need to fix  with respect to accessibility. I
> wonder what their priorities are. I guess they have started with their
> Kindle reader, making it better than stock android talk back. And the Alexa
> app became accessible earlier this year after becoming inaccessible.
> Apparently, it was accessible for a little while, then it was broken for
> several months and then fixed.
> > Mary
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Dec 23, 2015, at 4:42 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
> >>
> >> Principal Accessibility @Amazon is pkorn@
> >>> On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 2:21 PM Mary Otten  wrote:
> >>> Both the access site and the mobile site don't show full reviews. If
> you want to see a review, you have to click a link. I sort of understand it
> for the mobile site, but not for the so-called access site. That thing is a
> travesty and an abomination. They should've got rid of it along time ago in
> favor of making the regular site compliant with web standards. But this is
> Amazon, so forget it.
> >>> Mary
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>> On Dec 23, 2015, at 1:24 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hello, it turns out, I think that was the problem.  I have a feeling
> I was on the access site.  I signed out of Amazon & closed Safari.  When I
> opened it up again to do a search, the layout was more familiar with
> headings & such.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Traci
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Dec 23, 2015, at 1:00 PM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Have you tried the http://www.amazon.com/access site?
> >>>>> It works a little better than the main site.
> >>>>> Jim
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Dec 23, 2015, at 12:49 PM, Traci Duncan 
> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Could you tell me if maybe I have tweaked some safari setting &
> don’t realize it.  Amazon’s website lately, is difficult to navigate.  I’m
> not finding the usual headings to jump to descriptions or reviews, or what
> other customers might have purchased.  When I find the link to read
> reviews, each review shows up as a link, that I then need to click on.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I don’t know what it is, the site’s layout feels off kilter.  Any
> suggestions?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks,
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Re: Problem starting VoiceOver

[Kevin Chao]

It may be required to add function key to CMD-F5.
On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 2:51 PM Christopher-Mark Gilland <
clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:

> You can, yeah, but once disabled, how're you gonna re-enable it through
> there if you don't have speech to guide you?  That would be kind of a
> chore.
>
> Chris.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Bill Dengler" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2015 3:04 PM
> Subject: Re: Problem starting VoiceOver
>
>
> Can’t you enable/disable it in system prefs also?
>
> Bill
> > On Dec 19, 2015, at 1:42 PM, Anne Robertson 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Paul,
> >
> > As far as I know, the only way to launch VoiceOver is with Cmd-F5.
> > However, sometimes VoiceOver gets muted so it’s a good idea to create a
> > shortcut in one of the commanders for the commands “Mute Speech Toggle”
> > and “Mute VoiceOver Toggle”. These commands are in the Audio menu of the
> > Commands Help menu.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Anne
> >
> >
> >> On 19 Dec 2015, at 19:06, Paul Hopewell 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >> Is there any way to start VoiceOver other than Command+F5? For some
> >> reason Command+F5 does not always work for me. Is there  an alternative?
> >> Many thanks.
> >>
> >> Paul Hopewell
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Re: Automatic language switching on the Mac?

[Kevin Chao]

This has been requested by many for years on Mac OS X, but has not been
prioritized by Apple. When IOS VoiceOver gets it wrong, it's due to web
authors having wrong Lang attribute set. For example, Lang="en" for
English.
On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 6:58 AM Alex Hall  wrote:

> Yep, accessibil...@apple.com is the address to use for any feedback like
> this. It can't hurt to use www.apple.com/feedback as well.
>
> On Dec 19, 2015, at 09:20, Mike Busboom  wrote:
>
> So are you guys sending these messages about language detection/switching
> to the Accessibility group?  I want to send mine to the same place. :-)
>
> Mike
>
> On 18,Dec,2015, at 20:18, Alex Hall  wrote:
>
> Yes, a setting would be great. In fact, such a setting should come to iOS
> as well. The more emails they get about this, the better, particularly as
> automatic language detection has been part of iOS for years now.
>
> On Dec 18, 2015, at 13:52, Daniela Rubio  wrote:
>
> Hi again!
>
> Alex, Yes, I totally agree with you, The possibility of switching
> languages automatically should be there, or it could even be a setting that
> could be changed.
>
> let’s keep on trying to make them understand that this is a priority, and
> I think it would not be so difficult to fix.
> I will also send an e-mail.
>
>
> Daniela Rubio T
> iPhone: +34662328507
>
>
>
>
>
> El 18/12/2015, a las 19:44, Alex Hall  escribió:
>
> Mike, do please email Apple. Every time I tell them about the lag in
> Nuance voices--both when switching and, for a while after switching, while
> using them--Apple seems unconcerned. Going from the instant response of
> Alex to any of the Nuance voices is jarring and slow, and I don't
> understand why. The more people who express concern about this, the better,
> in my book.
>
> Daniela, iOS does automatic switching. Yes, it does sometimes get it wrong
> and try to read one language in another. From what I've seen, though, it
> gets it right more often than not. The rotor and other VO prompts remain in
> English (or whatever your language of choice is), so switching VO back to
> an English voice can be done easily, in the same way OS X users currently
> have to switch to the language in use. If we have to switch using the same
> process either way, I'd prefer to have to do so less often and let OS X
> figure the language I want, rather than having to do it nearly every time
> because no automatic switching is available. I hope I'm making sense here.
> Dan
>
> On Dec 18, 2015, at 13:31, Daniela Rubio  wrote:
>
> You could also create a new activity in VoiceOver with that voice as
> predefined, and you can easily switch to it with VO+XX.
>
> Some people don’t like that the language switches automatically, as some
> web sites have mistakes in their code and the language is incorrect. If the
> voice switched automaticaly, it would force the wrong language.
>
> Hope Apple would come up with a better solution.
>
>
> Daniela Rubio T
> iPhone: +34662328507
>
>
>
>
>
> El 18/12/2015, a las 18:20, Alex Hall  escribió:
>
> It's not. I ran into this the other day, and wrote an email to Apple about
> it. They said they would look into it, as they usually say, and suggested
> that using the rotor is currently the fastest way to switch languages. Just
> put the voice you need on your Mac, then use vo-cmd-left or right to find
> "voice". Now vo-cmd-down until you find the voice you want for the language
> you need, and then repeat the process to get back to English. That's the
> best we can do for the moment.
>
> On Dec 18, 2015, at 12:17, Mike Busboom  wrote:
>
> Hi.
>
> Like several people on the list, I work in more than one language on a
> daily basis.  On my iPhone 6, the language being displayed is automatically
> detected and spoken by VoiceOver.
>
> Is this feature available on the Mac and if so, How can it be turned on?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Mike
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Re: Safari repeattedly says percentage of web page loaded since last El Capitan upgrade

[Kevin Chao]

I prefer having web progress as sound to reduce this kind of verbosity
On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 5:57 PM george b  wrote:

> Hi there why don't you have the email your responding to  / replying to in
> the message so we know what the heck your replying to, please.
>
> thanks
>
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 17:23
> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: Safari repeattedly says percentage of web page loaded since
> last El Capitan upgrade
>
> Changing the progress indicator to sounds helps, however the reason you
> are hearing the indicator is that the page is, in fact, stuck at whatever
> percentage.  And since the most usual cause of these slow loading elements
> are ad servers and social media buttons, I suggest you grab and install
> AdBlock from the Safari Extensions Gallery, and configure it to block the
> buggers.  You don’t need to load what you don’t need displayed on the page.
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Re: Web Browsers

[Kevin Chao]

Google Chrome is really accessible with VoiceOver and it has option of
ChromeVox extension too
On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 7:51 PM Keith Hinton  wrote:

> Hi folks,
> I was just curious, but what web browsers on the Mac platform tend to
> be the most accessible these days?
> I know Safari obviously is, but I was just curious if any of you have
> tried others such as Firefox, etc?
> Also, I was just wondering if anybody knows how to reset Safari back
> to factory defaults?
> For example,  what if I wanted to whipe out all Safari settings
> (without doing a full OS Ten reinstallation) and just start over from
> scratch?
> That would be cool to be able to do that every once and a while.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Regards,
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Re: upgrade to El Capitan successful

[Kevin Chao]

Have you tried contenteditables with VoiceOver? It's badly broken. Some
examples are Wordpress textarea, Gmail composite field, and Google Docs
contenteditables
On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 4:52 PM Sabahattin Gucukoglu 
wrote:

> I expect you’ll run into the delightful bugs, sooner or later, but yes,
> responsiveness is particularly wonderful.
>
> Try turning sounds on, if you had habitually turned them off for latency
> reasons.  Now entirely possible, and useful.
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Re: interesting problem with word counter wigit

[Kevin Chao]

Is it counting a space character after last word as the seventh word?
On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 6:28 PM Raymond Foret Jr 
wrote:

> I never saw anything like this before.  When I type a phrase in to text
> edit, for example, "How many words did I type?", (which is so obviously six
> words it ain't even funny.), the word counter wigit informed me that there
> were seven words.  Now, I wonder.  How ever can that be?  And, given that
> this is the case, how can it be fixed?  Anybody know why this is happening
> and, of course, how can I rely on something that gives me a false word
> count?
>
>
> !
>
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind
> built-in
>
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
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> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon
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Re: google drive mac os10 problems please help.

[Kevin Chao]

Drive.google.com is also accessible in Chrome or Safari with ChromeVox or
VoiceOver. I use it all of the time
On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 10:28 PM Andrew Lamanche  wrote:

> I have to go to work shortly but I've just opened google drive app on my
> mac.  It has no windows as such to navigate round, but once opened, I have
> found an icon for google drive in the menu extra.  Activate menu extra with
> vo+m pressed twice quickly and then use vo+arrow to move round the menu.
> When I have heard Google drive, I routed my mouse to the vo cursor with
> vo+command+f5, and then performed mouse click with vo+shift+spacebar.
> Google drive menu opened.  I could then vo+up and down arrow some choices.
> Have a look and good luck.  Sorry have to rush.
>
> Andrew
>
> On 17 Dec 2015, at 02:06, Trahern Culver 
> wrote:
>
> hi all, my university uses google drive for uploading course documents
> ECt. I downloaded the google drive app to my mac and i'm trying to find the
> setting to change my account but i can't find the google drive menu any
> where its not in the status bar does any one know what the problem is and
> how to solve it? your help with this problem would be grate thanks in
> advance trey.
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Re: Multiple documents open in iOS

[Kevin Chao]

Unfortunately, windowing does not exist in mobile apps, so what I have done
in cases like this is app switch between Apple Pages, Google Docs, and
Microsoft Word.
On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 12:32 PM Phil Halton  wrote:

> Is it possible to have Multiple documents open in either iPhone or iPad. I
> want to be able to edit Multiple documents much like you would in TextEdit
> on Mac OS X. What pages for iOS allow Multiple documents to be open at once
> are there any other programs that would allow this
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Re: Mac Calendar with Google account

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Seems like Mac Calendar isn't linked to Google account and have you tried
iOS Google Calendar app. Suspect why Apple calendars are synchronized is
due to it using iCloud.
On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 12:25 PM Marc  wrote:

> Wanted to get help with Google calendar
>
>
>
> Mac OS X Yosemite
>
> iPhone IOS 9.2
>
>
>
> Step One:
>
> Go to Google calendar web site and create a new event that shows up on the
> web site, the Mac, and the iPhone.
>
>
>
> Step two:
>
> Create an event on the Mac and it appears on the iPhone but not the web
> site. Made sure to select the appropriate Google account.
>
>
>
> Step three:
>
> Create an event on the iPhone and it appears on both the Mac and the web
> site.
>
>
>
> I checked Internet in System Preferences and everything looks fine. The
> events are synching between the two Apple products. However, when I use the
> calendar app on the Mac, the event does not appear on the web version of my
> Google calendar.
>
>
>
> Any thoughts?
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Re: Seeking Referral for PDF

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AFAIK, there isn't a VoiceOver accessible way of filling out pdf forms or
navigating tagged structured PDFs
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 6:04 PM Bill Gallik  wrote:

> Thank you Sadam!
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Re: interesting problem with word counter wigit

[Kevin Chao]

Looks like the character count doesn't include spaces and word count
includes punctuation. A bit odd ? is considered a word and space isn't
considered a character.
On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 7:43 PM Raymond Foret Jr 
wrote:

> Let me test and see.
> Here's what it's doing.  I typed exactly what you see on the next line.
> How many words is this?
> Now, that's five words, obviously.  It tells me that there are six words
> and 19 characters.  Now,
> How many words is this?
> Actually, that's twenty two characters counting the spaces and the
> question mark at the end.  At least in Text edit, it sure doesn't seem very
> relyable does it?
>
>
> !
>
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind
> built-in
>
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon
> Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>
> On Dec 23, 2015, at 9:15 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>
> Is it counting a space character after last word as the seventh word?
> On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 6:28 PM Raymond Foret Jr 
> wrote:
>
>> I never saw anything like this before.  When I type a phrase in to text
>> edit, for example, "How many words did I type?", (which is so obviously six
>> words it ain't even funny.), the word counter wigit informed me that there
>> were seven words.  Now, I wonder.  How ever can that be?  And, given that
>> this is the case, how can it be fixed?  Anybody know why this is happening
>> and, of course, how can I rely on something that gives me a false word
>> count?
>>
>>
>> !
>>
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>> built-in
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Re: interesting problem with word counter wigit

[Kevin Chao]

Agreed. Would be worth informing developer
On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 4:13 AM Raymond Foret Jr 
wrote:

> Makes it rather less than relyable don't you agree?
>
>
> !
>
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind
> built-in
>
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>
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> Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>
> On Dec 24, 2015, at 12:16 AM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>
> Looks like the character count doesn't include spaces and word count
> includes punctuation. A bit odd ? is considered a word and space isn't
> considered a character.
> On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 7:43 PM Raymond Foret Jr 
> wrote:
>
>> Let me test and see.
>> Here's what it's doing.  I typed exactly what you see on the next line.
>> How many words is this?
>> Now, that's five words, obviously.  It tells me that there are six words
>> and 19 characters.  Now,
>> How many words is this?
>> Actually, that's twenty two characters counting the spaces and the
>> question mark at the end.  At least in Text edit, it sure doesn't seem very
>> relyable does it?
>>
>>
>> !
>>
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind
>> built-in
>>
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon
>> Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>>
>> On Dec 23, 2015, at 9:15 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>>
>> Is it counting a space character after last word as the seventh word?
>> On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 6:28 PM Raymond Foret Jr 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I never saw anything like this before.  When I type a phrase in to text
>>> edit, for example, "How many words did I type?", (which is so obviously six
>>> words it ain't even funny.), the word counter wigit informed me that there
>>> were seven words.  Now, I wonder.  How ever can that be?  And, given that
>>> this is the case, how can it be fixed?  Anybody know why this is happening
>>> and, of course, how can I rely on something that gives me a false word
>>> count?
>>>
>>>
>>> !
>>>
>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the
>>> blind built-in
>>>
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>>
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>>> Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>>>
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Re: messages app not connecting to Facebook anymore.

[Kevin Chao]

Most likely FaceBook depricated XMPP support, so they have greater control
of Messenger interface, experience, analytics, tracking, and FB can better
advertise. I read somewhere that even if you were in the middle of
composing a message and erased it, machine learning went into those bits to
add to create a better model of your habits for FB
On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 7:00 AM Jessica Moss 
wrote:

> I have, and added my facebook account, but when I launch trillian, it just
> continues to say "trillian has no windows," and can't figure out how to
> access it," and everything else is still dimmed.
> On Dec 28, 2015, at 3:37 AM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>
> > Did you create a Trillian account? You can't add accounts until you
> perform this step.
> >
> > Shawn
> > Sent From My White MacBook
> > Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> > Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> > Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> > Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> >
> >> On Dec 27, 2015, at 8:08 PM, Jessica Moss 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Ok, I've just installed it but can't figure out how to add accounts,
> how in the world do you do this?
> >> On Dec 27, 2015, at 5:52 PM, Shawn Krasniuk 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hey guys. I haven't been paying attention to this thread up until now,
> but have you tried using Trillian for Facebook? It's free and very
> accessible.
> >>>
> >>> Shawn
> >>> Sent From My White MacBook
> >>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> >>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> >>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> >>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> >>>
>  On Dec 27, 2015, at 3:19 PM, Jessica Moss 
> wrote:
> 
>  I don't get why they would do that; it's not like we're doing
> anything illegal by using the mac's 3rd party app to connect to them, so
> what's the problem?
>  On Dec 27, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Grant  wrote:
> 
> > Hi Matthew,
> >
> > Yep, it appears that we won’t be able to use Facebook Chat from
> within the Messages App as XMPP support is being deprecated. I finally
> removed my account the other day. This is extremely unfortunate as it is by
> far the most accessible experience I’ve ever found for chatting with
> Facebook friends, on any platform.
> >
> >> On Dec 27, 2015, at 7:33 AM, Matthew Dyer <
> ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi  all.
> >>
> >> I think this has to do with face book shuting dow the 3rd party
> api  which allows app t9o connect with the facebook service.  HTH.
> >>
> >> Matthew
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Re: Having voiceover speak selected text in iOS

[Kevin Chao]

I enabled speak selected text, but cannot find speak button. I think it may
not work with VoiceOver, as in the process of finding speak button,
selected text becomes unselected
On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 1:15 PM Phil Halton  wrote:

> Actually, that gesture, the three finger quadruple tap, copies last spoken
> text to the clipboard, and not the selected text. A crucial difference.
> I am investigating the excess ability item that can "speak selected text"
> which is found under accessibility/speech in settings. But I can't get it
> to work. I have been able to get the "speak screen" item to work fine, but
> not the selection speak. If you want to look at something interesting check
> that one out see if you can get that working. Thanks for your input though
> Sent from my IPhone
>
>
> On Dec 31, 2015, at 12:25 PM, gs  wrote:
>
> Well, I obviously didn't mean a quadruple double tap but simply four quick
> taps with three fingers.
>
> On Dec 31, 2015, at 12:22 PM, gs  wrote:
>
> My mistake. There is no gesture that I know of to say selected text.
> However, there is a gesture to copy selected text to clipboard. This is
> accomplished with a quadruple three-finger double tap.
>
>
> On Dec 31, 2015, at 11:55 AM, gs  wrote:
>
> There is a way but I cannot remember the gesture and am not certain
> whether it is posted in the list of keyboard commands in the manual. So why
> am I even taking up everyone's time? Well, I suspect this might be a
> valuable gesture for a lot of people to note. When I get the chance, I will
> look in the manual and see if it is there.
>
>
> On Dec 30, 2015, at 9:21 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>
> Is there a command I can use to have voiceover speak whatever text happens
> to be selected? I'm working in the notes app and would like to be able to
> hear what text is actually selected.
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Re: apple watch weirdness with bluetooth

[Kevin Chao]

Are calls heard through these Bluetooth headsets when connected to iPhone,
but are not on Watch?
On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 6:50 PM Scott Granados  wrote:

> I just got my pairing done with an Era.  I’ll test this and see if I can
> replicate.
>
> > On Dec 31, 2015, at 3:29 PM, Ricardo Walker 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > I’m experiencing some odd behavior with my watch when I connect it to a
> bluetooth headset. I can hear voiceover just fine but, calls are not routed
> to the bt headset which is kinda the entire point. lol.
> >
> > I’ve gone into settings/general/accessibility on my iPhone and set call
> routing to bluetooth headset. No dice.
> >
> > So, I’ve tried 2 bt devices. My sennheiser momentum over ear wireless
> headphones, and a jawbone era.  I get the same behavior with both.
> >
> > Any suggestions and, are others seeing this behavior?
> >
> > Thanks.
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Re: Really disgusted with iBooks this evening

[Kevin Chao]

Briefing: Accessibility, the Chafee Amendment, and Fair Use
http://www.arl.org/focus-areas/copyright-ip/fair-use/code-of-best-practices/2445-briefing-accessibility-the-chafee-amendment-and-fair-use#.Voljmew76nM

On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 5:35 AM Christopher-Mark Gilland <
clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Scott,
>
> This isn't to flame you, nor argue with you, nor bash you, nor challenge
> you, so know that up front.  I am actually genuinely interested.
>
> Do you have a web site that talks more about this law which you could
> direct
> me to?  I'm simply just asking, as I really would like to learn more about
> this, if that be the case.
>
> Chris.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Scott Granados" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2016 7:20 AM
> Subject: Re: Really disgusted with iBooks this evening
>
>
> I believe it’s fairly trivial to crack the DRM if it’s present and remember
> there was a law passed that allows for breaking the protection on files for
> reasons of accessibility.
>
> > On Jan 3, 2016, at 3:46 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
> >  wrote:
> >
> > I dont' think that's possible, seeing that IBooks are DRM protected.
> >
> > Chris.
> >
> > - Original Message - From: "Simon Fogarty"  >
> > To: 
> > Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2016 3:14 AM
> > Subject: RE: Really disgusted with iBooks this evening
> >
> >
> > Unless you were able to put the book through the likes of the KNFB reader
> > and possibly it will OCR the images into a readable format.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
> > Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 9:10 PM
> > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: Really disgusted with iBooks this evening
> >
> > The cookbook probably has images (pictures) of the recipes rather than
> the
> > text of the recipes. Therefore, that particular cookbook is not
> > accessible, and Apple will probably refund your money.
> >
> > David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> > Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> > Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On 3 Jan 2016, at 17:21, Mary Otten  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello all,
> >> Today, I purchased two cookbooks in the iBooks store. I could have
> >> purchased them on Kindle, but because I have generally had better luck
> >> navigating the specifics of a book and iBooks, I spent my money there.
> >> Neither book is readable on my iPad or my iPhone. After I get rid of the
> >> ridiculous non-friendly view in table of contents by changing it to a
> >> list of you, and double tap on the chapter I want to read, I don't get
> >> anything intelligible. I get random letters and voiceover saying
> >> "background image" background image" background image" ad infinitum. It
> >> has been a while since I have purchased a cookbook. And if this is how
> >> they're all going to be, it's going to be a lot longer before I waste
> >> anymore money on Apple's books. Have others had similar problems? I
> wrote
> >> Apple accessibility. And I suppose they're probably going to send me off
> >> to some damned link that will have six other links that I will have to
> >> follow and eventually get nowhere, which is what happened to me the last
> >> time they sent me on a wild goose chase after an iTunes problem. I hope
> >> not, since this is clearly an excess ability problem, so they ought to
> go
> >> to bat and number one, figure out what causes it and fix it and also
> help
> >> out with refunds. But I really am curious if others are having this
> >> problem.
> >> Mary
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
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Survey - Accessibility Feedback For Google Docs, Sheets, Slides and Drive | Inclusive Android

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This is your opportunity to provide feedback and identify issues or problems 
you are having with the accessibility of Docs, Sheets, Slides, and Drive. The 
goal of this quick survey is to identify pain points, feature requests for 
mobile, ratings on your current experience and a general comparisons of mobile 
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Re: Alternative Browsers for Mac

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Chrome has great performance, features, accessibility, and extensions
On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 12:43 PM Christopher-Mark Gilland <
clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:

> What about lightning web browser?  It's in the mac app store.  I don't
> hardly ever use it, but it's there if you wanna try it.
>
> Chris.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Lee Jones" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 3:37 PM
> Subject: Alternative Browsers for Mac
>
>
> Dear List, I have been using sleipnir browser on my mac for a long time,
> but
> recently there has been a major reduction in performance.  I wondered if
> anyone knew of another voice over accessible safari alternative. I know
> that
> chrome works, but I hate google, and firefox just keeps saying busy, and is
> completely unusable.
>
> Many Thanks, Lee
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Re: Alternative Browsers for Mac

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What's the issue with Chrome?
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 5:19 AM Christopher-Mark Gilland <
clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:

> One reason I don't hardly ever use Chrome, admittedly.
>
> Heck, I won't even use it on my Nexus 6, unless I absolutely absolutely
> absolutely have to as a last resort.  But, that's neither here nor there.
>
> Chris.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "John Panarese" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 4:30 PM
> Subject: Re: Alternative Browsers for Mac
>
>
>   Yeah, it’s best to turn off all of their spying. They are the one browser
> that has been documented phones home with quite a bit of data, though they
> deny otherwise.
>
>
> Take Care
>
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>
> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>
>
>
> > On Jan 10, 2016, at 4:27 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu 
> > wrote:
> >
> > mmm, Chrome.  Google “Chrome privacy whitepaper” for a way to turn off
> all
> > the spying.  Chrome is the least Googly of the Google products.
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Re: Digest for macvisionaries@googlegroups.com - 25 updates in 10 topics

[Kevin Chao]

 My understanding is that PDF Pen Pro does allow you to edit PDF files. I
don’t know how extensively, but I know of a few folks who have been using
it successfully
On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 3:36 AM Daniele Corciulo 
wrote:

> Hello every body
>
> I have a Question.
> Is there a Way in Mac os to read and fill out adobe  pdf-forms? The
> Documents are taged and are accessible.
>
> Thanks for your Help.
>
> Regards
>
> Daniele
>
> Am 14.01.2016 um 21:49 schrieb macvisionaries@googlegroups.com:
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> Question about multi-tasking on I O S
> 
> Christopher Gilland : Jan 14 08:01AM -0500
>
> Guys,
>
> I've got a question. I have recently acquired a very nice bluetooth case
> for my IPad Air 1st gen. I'm therefore using the unit way more than before.
>
> What I need to know is, let's assume that I want to check e-mail, or maybe
> browse the web while listening to music in the background. I definitely
> know how to do this in general, and am very familiar with the app switcher,
> etc. What concerns me though is the fact that with music playing, I might
> not be able to effectively hear Voiceover speaking.
>
> So, the ten million dollar question: Is there a way that I can do like I
> do on the mac with ITunes, in that I could turn the volume down just of my
> music without effecting the volume of Voiceover? I definitely know that
> there is an inlined volume control slider within the Music app, but I'm
> noticing that when I turn it up or down, it's effecting my Voiceover volume
> as well.
>
> I know about the audio ducking feature, which is on by default, but I've
> turned that off, as I find the ducking to not be very natural. In fact,
> frankly, I find it to be quite jarring.
>
> Is ducking really my only option?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Chris.
>
> sent from my iPad
> Phil Halton : Jan 14 10:14AM -0500
>
> What about audio ducking? Isn't that lowering the background sound when
> voiceover is speaking?.
>
>
> Sent from my IPhone
>
>
> "Christopher-Mark Gilland" : Jan 14 10:36AM -0500
>
> It looks like that might be the best sollution. I don't really care for
> the
> ducking ability, as said in my initial post. I find it to be a bit
> jarring,
> but it's looking like I might not have a choice. I really don't like my
> music going up and down in volume. Call me weird, but, yeah...
>
> Chris.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Phil Halton" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:14 AM
> Subject: Re: Question about multi-tasking on I O S
>
>
> What about audio ducking? Isn't that lowering the background sound when
> voiceover is speaking?.
>
>
> Sent from my IPhone
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Google+ Accessibility You may have noticed that I regularly call out the numb...

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https://plus.google.com/+LukeWroblewski/posts/UjoStGYKLxe?iem=4&gpawv=1&hl=en-US
Luke Wroblewski
Google+ Updates
Jan 22, 02:28PM
Google+ Accessibility
You may have noticed that I regularly call out the number of "accessibility 
issues addressed" in our releases. Accessibility plays a big role in our 
ongoing efforts to improve and in the new Google+, we've optimized user 
interfaces on Android, iOS, and the Web for easier navigation with screen 
readers and keyboard controls. In the past year alone, we've found & fixed over 
450 accessibility bugs.

Some recent updates:
* Improved keyboard support on the web: navigate, comment, +1, create new 
posts, and more
* Improved interactions with posts using both Talkback on Android and VoiceOver 
on iOS that save people significant time and effort
* Search accessibility improvements on all platforms, with autocomplete results 
announced when they're available

You can read more about accessibility support on the Google+ Help Center page 
(https://support.google.com/plus/answer/6320404), and be sure to check out the 
user-created GPlus Accessibility Community 
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As always, we're continuing to listen to your suggestions and ideas. So please 
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Mac Chrome with VoiceOver

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Hi,
Anyone using Chrome on Mac with VoiceOver as primary browser, such as myself? 
Are there accessibility improvements that you feel are needed?
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Re: Mac Chrome with VoiceOver

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Hi Ben,
Let's say hypothetical situation where Lightning and Safari were not
available, are there VoiceOver accessibility related attributes you would
miss?
What would be these MUST have VoiceOver accessibility in Chrome?
On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 8:12 PM Ben J. Bloomgren 
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> Now that Rumola is available for Chrome (I say now because I just found
> this
> out), Chrome is pretty nice. I don't see much difference between it versus
> Lightning versus Safari.
>
> Ben
> - Original Message -
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Re: Mac Chrome with VoiceOver

[Kevin Chao]

Similar discussion on AppleVis:
http://www.applevis.com/forum/os-x-mac-app-discussion/mac-chrome-voiceover

On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 4:45 AM Erik Burggraaf 
wrote:

> Hi,  I've been using chrome for a few months now.  Some sites work in
> either chrome or safri, but not both.  So, there is still some flipflopping
> here.
>
> Benefits of chrome.
> Tab and bookmark sync to my Android phone.
> Integrated flash.
> Greater stability when loading large pages or sending forms.
>
> Disadvantages of chrome.
> No selecting text using shift and arrows.
> Instability of the item chooser.
> No article reader.
> No bookmarks bar and associated hotkeys.
>
> All in all, I'd rather have safari back, but I need a stable browser.
> Chrome is that, and safari isn't.
>
> Best,
>
> Erik
>
> Sent from TypeApp <http://www.typeapp.com/r>
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> On Jan 25, 2016, at 11:12 PM, "Ben J. Bloomgren" <
> ben.j.bloomg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Now that Rumola is available for Chrome (I say now because I just found this
>> out), Chrome is pretty nice. I don't see much difference between it versus
>> Lightning versus Safari.
>>
>> Ben
>> - Original Message -
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>> To: "macvisionaries" 
>> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 18:13
>> Subject: Mac Chrome with VoiceOver
>>
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>>  Hi,
>>>  Anyone using Chrome on Mac with VoiceOver as primary browser, such as
>>>  myself? Are there accessibility improvements that you feel are needed?
>>>  Thanks!
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Re: Mac Chrome with VoiceOver

[Kevin Chao]

Hi Anders,
Could you please provide examples of these "problems navigating"? More
details and steps to reproduce, please.
Thanks!
On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 4:14 PM Anders Holmberg 
wrote:

> Hi!
> There are some problems navigating using chrome i think.
> But apart from that it works like a charm.
> /A
>
> On 26 Jan 2016, at 07:06, ben J. Bloomgren 
> wrote:
>
> Kevin,
>
> Speaking solely upon my own experience, there is not really anything that
> I would miss from those other browsers. Apparently, krone even works better
> with flash items. Apparently, it has some sort of flash capability built-in
> so that you don't have to screw with it as you would, say for example, with
> Adobe flash on safari. Other than that, I really see no difference.
>
> Ben
>
> On Jan 25, 2016, at 22:07, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>
> Hi Ben,
> Let's say hypothetical situation where Lightning and Safari were not
> available, are there VoiceOver accessibility related attributes you would
> miss?
> What would be these MUST have VoiceOver accessibility in Chrome?
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 8:12 PM Ben J. Bloomgren <
> ben.j.bloomg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Now that Rumola is available for Chrome (I say now because I just found
>> this
>> out), Chrome is pretty nice. I don't see much difference between it versus
>> Lightning versus Safari.
>>
>> Ben
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Kevin Chao" 
>> To: "macvisionaries" 
>> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 18:13
>> Subject: Mac Chrome with VoiceOver
>>
>>
>> > Hi,
>> > Anyone using Chrome on Mac with VoiceOver as primary browser, such as
>> > myself? Are there accessibility improvements that you feel are needed?
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Get Safari Reader on Chrome and Firefox with iReader

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http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/25098/get-safari-reader-on-chrome-and-firefox-with-ireader/
Works great with Mac Chrome and VoiceOver. Only config I made was enabled 
hotkey, which defaults to CMD-shift-p

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Re: Chrome box and flash player content

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It's possible to install ChromeVox extension to Chrome and use Alex TTS,
which gives same UX as ChromeVox on Chrome OS.

On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 7:50 PM Phil Halton  wrote:

> Is a Chrome box. Enabled chrome book a viable option for accessing flash
> player content on websites? I just listen to the access world review of a
> chrome book and it seems like it's at least good enough to access websites.
> I need to access flash player content on websites and it's impossible
> Onamac. So, I'm wondering if a chrome book with its limited accessibility
> would at least do the trick?
> Any thoughts or comments?
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Re: Chrome box and flash player content

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Adobe developed Flash, PDF, etc. that's only accessible with screen reader
on Windows.
Google developed Chrome OS, Browser, and Vox.
On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 5:40 PM Sabahattin Gucukoglu 
wrote:

> If it’s any consolation at all, sites that don’t work without Flash Player
> also don’t work on mobiles and tablets.  So the site is losing quite a
> large audience, and not just you.
>
> But if you want to use the site, it looks like you’ll need Windows.
> Welcome to accessibility politics, the worst part about owning a Mac. :)
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Re: Mac Chrome with VoiceOver

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Excellent! Great to hear...
Wonder if there are Accessibility elements that prevent users from making
Chrome default browser on Mac OS X?
On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 2:28 PM Anders Holmberg 
wrote:

> Hi!
> I take it back Kevin.
> It was a problem but now it seems to work fairly well on my machine.
> /A
>
> On 28 Jan 2016, at 02:16, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>
> Hi Anders,
> Could you please provide examples of these "problems navigating"? More
> details and steps to reproduce, please.
> Thanks!
> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 4:14 PM Anders Holmberg 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi!
>> There are some problems navigating using chrome i think.
>> But apart from that it works like a charm.
>> /A
>>
>> On 26 Jan 2016, at 07:06, ben J. Bloomgren 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Kevin,
>>
>> Speaking solely upon my own experience, there is not really anything that
>> I would miss from those other browsers. Apparently, krone even works better
>> with flash items. Apparently, it has some sort of flash capability built-in
>> so that you don't have to screw with it as you would, say for example, with
>> Adobe flash on safari. Other than that, I really see no difference.
>>
>> Ben
>>
>> On Jan 25, 2016, at 22:07, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ben,
>> Let's say hypothetical situation where Lightning and Safari were not
>> available, are there VoiceOver accessibility related attributes you would
>> miss?
>> What would be these MUST have VoiceOver accessibility in Chrome?
>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 8:12 PM Ben J. Bloomgren <
>> ben.j.bloomg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Now that Rumola is available for Chrome (I say now because I just found
>>> this
>>> out), Chrome is pretty nice. I don't see much difference between it
>>> versus
>>> Lightning versus Safari.
>>>
>>> Ben
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Kevin Chao" 
>>> To: "macvisionaries" 
>>> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 18:13
>>> Subject: Mac Chrome with VoiceOver
>>>
>>>
>>> > Hi,
>>> > Anyone using Chrome on Mac with VoiceOver as primary browser, such as
>>> > myself? Are there accessibility improvements that you feel are needed?
>>> > Thanks!
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Re: Unable to access mail via mac

[Kevin Chao]

Traci,
I also use 2FA and find it accessible via text message.
On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 8:03 AM Traci  wrote:

> OK, thank you both.
>
> First of all, I went to both Internet system preferences pain, and
> accounts pain inside mail. I can't find a spot to enter a new password.
>
> Secondly, could you tell me more about this google authenticator app?
>
> Thank you,
> Traci
>
> > On Feb 10, 2016, at 8:00 AM, Bill Dengler  wrote:
> >
> > 2fa is accessible, I use it on my Gmail account with the Google
> Authenticator app.
> >
> > Bill
> >> On Feb 10, 2016, at 10:57 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> You can set things in either mail Preferences or system preferences. In
> their preferences you need to go to the campaign. In system preferences we
> need to go to the Internet accounts pain. Let me know if you need
> additional help.
> >>
> >>
> >> Jonathan Cohn
> >>
> >>> On Feb 10, 2016, at 10:49 AM, Traci  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> Yesterday I tried two step verification with my Gmail account, but
> found it inaccessible. So I turn it off. This morning I changed my password
> with Gmail. On my iPhone and iPad, I'm having no problem reentering the new
> information. However, on my mac, I am unable to change anything or access
> emails.
> >>>
> >>> I would appreciate any guidance here. :-) I can't find anywhere to
> enter a new password, nor is Mac asking me for one. What should I do?
> >>>
> >>> Thank you,
> >>> Traci
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