Re: Changereaction: A new game from Draconess intertainment for blind in the Mac app store
The alert letting you know that this is an audio game, etc, only appears the first time you launch the game. it is possible that VoiceOver did not correctly put focus on the initial dialog box. If this is the case, one of the following may fix the problem for you: • Command-tab into the ChangeReaction app • Use VO-F1 twice to bring up the list of apps, and choose the alert dialog window from the ChangeReaction app • If the ChangeReaction app itself has focus, use VO-F2 twice to bring up the list of menus and choose the dialog box window, which is called "Open Your Ears". Applications are tested very rigorously by Apple, and they will not accept non-working apps into the App Store. The "Learn to Play" option from the main menu will teach you how to play the currently selected game. We recommend that if you are not already familiar with ChangeReaction from the Windows days, and it is probably a good idea even if you are. On Dec 12, 2012, at 12:28 PM, Mark Baxter wrote: > It took quite a while to come up speaking, and the first thing you'll hear is > an alert asking you if your headsets are on and comfortable, so as not to > blow out your eardrums. After that, you might as well turn VO off, in fact > it might help. > > > • Mark BurningHawk Baxter > • AIM, Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 > • MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com > • My home page: > • http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Changereaction: A new game from Draconess intertainment for blind in the Mac app store
Stacey, If you continue to have problems, you may wish to delete the app and re-download it from the App Store. Perhaps your download was corrupted. Before doing that, however, we do recommend trying the solutions outlined in my previous email. The game does not download any extra components. It is entirely self-contained. On Dec 12, 2012, at 12:36 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote: > Mark, > I can't get it to open at all. > What os are you running. > > On Dec 12, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Mark Baxter wrote: > >> It took quite a while to come up speaking, and the first thing you'll hear >> is an alert asking you if your headsets are on and comfortable, so as not to >> blow out your eardrums. After that, you might as well turn VO off, in fact >> it might help. >> >> >> • Mark BurningHawk Baxter >> • AIM, Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 >> • MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com >> • My home page: >> • http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Changereaction: A new game from Draconess intertainment for blind in the Mac app store
The audio is at least on par with all of our old games. Technology has come a long way int he last ten years, and it is not necessary for audio games to be huge anymore. You can hear a sample of the game audio here: http://dracoent.com/audio/trailers/CRTrailer.mp3 It is very possible to use compressed audio that decompresses on demand these days for desktop machines. iOS devices are another matter, as they aren't quite powerful enough for that yet. On Dec 12, 2012, at 12:53 PM, "Daniel Miller" wrote: > Josh, > > I'm finding it hard to believe that that app is self-contained in a 5MB > download. The audio must be incredibly, incredibly horrible if that's the > case. > Just my 2 cents. > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Josh de Lioncourt > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 11:47 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Changereaction: A new game from Draconess intertainment for > blind in the Mac app store > > Stacey, > > If you continue to have problems, you may wish to delete the app and > re-download it from the App Store. Perhaps your download was corrupted. > > Before doing that, however, we do recommend trying the solutions outlined in > my previous email. > > The game does not download any extra components. It is entirely > self-contained. > > On Dec 12, 2012, at 12:36 PM, Stacey Robinson > wrote: > >> Mark, >> I can't get it to open at all. >> What os are you running. >> >> On Dec 12, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Mark Baxter wrote: >> >>> It took quite a while to come up speaking, and the first thing you'll > hear is an alert asking you if your headsets are on and comfortable, so as > not to blow out your eardrums. After that, you might as well turn VO off, > in fact it might help. >>> >>> >>> . Mark BurningHawk Baxter >>> . AIM, Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 . MSN: >>> burninghawk1...@hotmail.com . My home page: >>> . http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Changereaction: A new game from Draconess intertainment for blind in the Mac app store
Hi Stacey, The game should run on Snow Leopard, though it does required a 64-bit machine. Do you know if your Mac is 64-bit? If you continue to have problems, you can contact me off-list, and we can try to work through it. If it is a problem on our end, we will do our best to track it down and release an update that corrects it for you and anyone else who may be experiencing it. We've worked very hard to make ChangeReaction the very best it can be, and if there's a problem, we want to know about it and hopefully find a solution. On Dec 12, 2012, at 1:23 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote: > Josh, > I've tried redownloading the game and it still won't open. > Will it run on SnowLeopard? > > On Dec 12, 2012, at 12:01 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: > >> >> The audio is at least on par with all of our old games. Technology has come >> a long way int he last ten years, and it is not necessary for audio games to >> be huge anymore. You can hear a sample of the game audio here: >> >> http://dracoent.com/audio/trailers/CRTrailer.mp3 >> >> It is very possible to use compressed audio that decompresses on demand >> these days for desktop machines. iOS devices are another matter, as they >> aren't quite powerful enough for that yet. >> >> On Dec 12, 2012, at 12:53 PM, "Daniel Miller" wrote: >> >>> Josh, >>> >>> I'm finding it hard to believe that that app is self-contained in a 5MB >>> download. The audio must be incredibly, incredibly horrible if that's the >>> case. >>> Just my 2 cents. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Josh de Lioncourt >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 11:47 AM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Changereaction: A new game from Draconess intertainment for >>> blind in the Mac app store >>> >>> Stacey, >>> >>> If you continue to have problems, you may wish to delete the app and >>> re-download it from the App Store. Perhaps your download was corrupted. >>> >>> Before doing that, however, we do recommend trying the solutions outlined in >>> my previous email. >>> >>> The game does not download any extra components. It is entirely >>> self-contained. >>> >>> On Dec 12, 2012, at 12:36 PM, Stacey Robinson >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Mark, >>>> I can't get it to open at all. >>>> What os are you running. >>>> >>>> On Dec 12, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Mark Baxter wrote: >>>> >>>>> It took quite a while to come up speaking, and the first thing you'll >>> hear is an alert asking you if your headsets are on and comfortable, so as >>> not to blow out your eardrums. After that, you might as well turn VO off, >>> in fact it might help. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> . Mark BurningHawk Baxter >>>>> . AIM, Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 . MSN: >>>>> burninghawk1...@hotmail.com . My home page: >>>>> . http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> Fo
Re: Changereaction: A new game from Draconess intertainment for blind in the Mac app store
To check if your Mac is 64 bit: Go to Apple menu->About this Mac. In the window that appears, it will tell you the type of processor that is in your Mac. If it is Core Solo or Core Duo, it is 32 bit. If it is Core2 Duo, or anything later than that, it is 64 bit. If you do have a 64 bit Mac, contact me off list and we will work with you to find the problem. On Dec 12, 2012, at 1:36 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote: > Josh, > I don't know if my machine is 64 bit. How do I find out? > On Dec 12, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: > >> Hi Stacey, >> >> The game should run on Snow Leopard, though it does required a 64-bit >> machine. Do you know if your Mac is 64-bit? >> >> If you continue to have problems, you can contact me off-list, and we can >> try to work through it. If it is a problem on our end, we will do our best >> to track it down and release an update that corrects it for you and anyone >> else who may be experiencing it. >> >> We've worked very hard to make ChangeReaction the very best it can be, and >> if there's a problem, we want to know about it and hopefully find a solution. >> >> >> On Dec 12, 2012, at 1:23 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote: >> >>> Josh, >>> I've tried redownloading the game and it still won't open. >>> Will it run on SnowLeopard? >>> >>> On Dec 12, 2012, at 12:01 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> The audio is at least on par with all of our old games. Technology has >>>> come a long way int he last ten years, and it is not necessary for audio >>>> games to be huge anymore. You can hear a sample of the game audio here: >>>> >>>> http://dracoent.com/audio/trailers/CRTrailer.mp3 >>>> >>>> It is very possible to use compressed audio that decompresses on demand >>>> these days for desktop machines. iOS devices are another matter, as they >>>> aren't quite powerful enough for that yet. >>>> >>>> On Dec 12, 2012, at 12:53 PM, "Daniel Miller" wrote: >>>> >>>>> Josh, >>>>> >>>>> I'm finding it hard to believe that that app is self-contained in a 5MB >>>>> download. The audio must be incredibly, incredibly horrible if that's the >>>>> case. >>>>> Just my 2 cents. >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Josh de Lioncourt >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 11:47 AM >>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> Subject: Re: Changereaction: A new game from Draconess intertainment for >>>>> blind in the Mac app store >>>>> >>>>> Stacey, >>>>> >>>>> If you continue to have problems, you may wish to delete the app and >>>>> re-download it from the App Store. Perhaps your download was corrupted. >>>>> >>>>> Before doing that, however, we do recommend trying the solutions outlined >>>>> in >>>>> my previous email. >>>>> >>>>> The game does not download any extra components. It is entirely >>>>> self-contained. >>>>> >>>>> On Dec 12, 2012, at 12:36 PM, Stacey Robinson >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Mark, >>>>>> I can't get it to open at all. >>>>>> What os are you running. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Dec 12, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Mark Baxter wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> It took quite a while to come up speaking, and the first thing you'll >>>>> hear is an alert asking you if your headsets are on and comfortable, so as >>>>> not to blow out your eardrums. After that, you might as well turn VO off, >>>>> in fact it might help. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> . Mark BurningHawk Baxter >>>>>>> . AIM, Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 . MSN: >>>>>>> burninghawk1...@hotmail.com . My home page: >>>>>>> . http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups >>>>> "MacVision
Re: Changereaction: A new game from Draconess intertainment for blind in the Mac app store
Yes, that makes it 64 bit. Email me at overl...@lioncourt.com, and please send the text of the error message you are getting. If you focus VoiceOver on the text of the error message, then press VO-Shift-C before doing anything else, it will copy it to the clipboard and you can paste it into the email with Command-V. On Dec 12, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote: > Josh, > My processor says core2 duo. > That would make my machine 64 bit, correct? > How do I view the properties of a message in sl so I can write you offlist? > On Dec 12, 2012, at 1:01 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: > >> >> To check if your Mac is 64 bit: >> >> Go to Apple menu->About this Mac. In the window that appears, it will tell >> you the type of processor that is in your Mac. If it is Core Solo or Core >> Duo, it is 32 bit. If it is Core2 Duo, or anything later than that, it is 64 >> bit. >> >> If you do have a 64 bit Mac, contact me off list and we will work with you >> to find the problem. >> >> On Dec 12, 2012, at 1:36 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote: >> >>> Josh, >>> I don't know if my machine is 64 bit. How do I find out? >>> On Dec 12, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Stacey, >>>> >>>> The game should run on Snow Leopard, though it does required a 64-bit >>>> machine. Do you know if your Mac is 64-bit? >>>> >>>> If you continue to have problems, you can contact me off-list, and we can >>>> try to work through it. If it is a problem on our end, we will do our best >>>> to track it down and release an update that corrects it for you and anyone >>>> else who may be experiencing it. >>>> >>>> We've worked very hard to make ChangeReaction the very best it can be, and >>>> if there's a problem, we want to know about it and hopefully find a >>>> solution. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Dec 12, 2012, at 1:23 PM, Stacey Robinson >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Josh, >>>>> I've tried redownloading the game and it still won't open. >>>>> Will it run on SnowLeopard? >>>>> >>>>> On Dec 12, 2012, at 12:01 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The audio is at least on par with all of our old games. Technology has >>>>>> come a long way int he last ten years, and it is not necessary for audio >>>>>> games to be huge anymore. You can hear a sample of the game audio here: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://dracoent.com/audio/trailers/CRTrailer.mp3 >>>>>> >>>>>> It is very possible to use compressed audio that decompresses on demand >>>>>> these days for desktop machines. iOS devices are another matter, as they >>>>>> aren't quite powerful enough for that yet. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Dec 12, 2012, at 12:53 PM, "Daniel Miller" >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Josh, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm finding it hard to believe that that app is self-contained in a 5MB >>>>>>> download. The audio must be incredibly, incredibly horrible if that's >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> case. >>>>>>> Just my 2 cents. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Josh de Lioncourt >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 11:47 AM >>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Changereaction: A new game from Draconess intertainment for >>>>>>> blind in the Mac app store >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Stacey, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you continue to have problems, you may wish to delete the app and >>>>>>> re-download it from the App Store. Perhaps your download was corrupted. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Before doing that, however, we do recommend trying the solutions >>>>>>> outlined in >>>>>>> my previous email. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The game does not download any extra components. It is entirely >
Re: Changereaction: A new game from Draconess intertainment for blind in the Mac app store
Yes, you have a 64-bit Mac. If you are running Lion or Mountain Lion, this isn't even a problem you need to worry about, because those versions of the OS only run on 64 bit. For those interested, we've gotten the error report from Stacey, tracked down the problem which only occurs on some older Macs running Snow Leopard, and are in the process of preparing an update to submit to Apple. On Dec 12, 2012, at 3:06 PM, Les Kriegler wrote: > Okay, I have a 2.8 GHZ Intel Core i7 processor. Is that 64 Bit? Thanks. > > Les > On Dec 12, 2012, at 2:01 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: > >> >> To check if your Mac is 64 bit: >> >> Go to Apple menu->About this Mac. In the window that appears, it will tell >> you the type of processor that is in your Mac. If it is Core Solo or Core >> Duo, it is 32 bit. If it is Core2 Duo, or anything later than that, it is 64 >> bit. >> >> If you do have a 64 bit Mac, contact me off list and we will work with you >> to find the problem. >> >> On Dec 12, 2012, at 1:36 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote: >> >>> Josh, >>> I don't know if my machine is 64 bit. How do I find out? >>> On Dec 12, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Stacey, >>>> >>>> The game should run on Snow Leopard, though it does required a 64-bit >>>> machine. Do you know if your Mac is 64-bit? >>>> >>>> If you continue to have problems, you can contact me off-list, and we can >>>> try to work through it. If it is a problem on our end, we will do our best >>>> to track it down and release an update that corrects it for you and anyone >>>> else who may be experiencing it. >>>> >>>> We've worked very hard to make ChangeReaction the very best it can be, and >>>> if there's a problem, we want to know about it and hopefully find a >>>> solution. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Dec 12, 2012, at 1:23 PM, Stacey Robinson >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Josh, >>>>> I've tried redownloading the game and it still won't open. >>>>> Will it run on SnowLeopard? >>>>> >>>>> On Dec 12, 2012, at 12:01 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The audio is at least on par with all of our old games. Technology has >>>>>> come a long way int he last ten years, and it is not necessary for audio >>>>>> games to be huge anymore. You can hear a sample of the game audio here: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://dracoent.com/audio/trailers/CRTrailer.mp3 >>>>>> >>>>>> It is very possible to use compressed audio that decompresses on demand >>>>>> these days for desktop machines. iOS devices are another matter, as they >>>>>> aren't quite powerful enough for that yet. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Dec 12, 2012, at 12:53 PM, "Daniel Miller" >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Josh, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm finding it hard to believe that that app is self-contained in a 5MB >>>>>>> download. The audio must be incredibly, incredibly horrible if that's >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> case. >>>>>>> Just my 2 cents. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Josh de Lioncourt >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 11:47 AM >>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Changereaction: A new game from Draconess intertainment for >>>>>>> blind in the Mac app store >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Stacey, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you continue to have problems, you may wish to delete the app and >>>>>>> re-download it from the App Store. Perhaps your download was corrupted. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Before doing that, however, we do recommend trying the solutions >>>>>>> outlined in >>>>>>> my previous email. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The game does not download any extra components. It is entirely >&
Re: Changereaction: A new game from Draconess intertainment for blind in the Mac app store
Hi Teresa, Have you tried either of the variations yet? LooseChange is my personal favorite. Very glad you're enjoying the game. We have more on the way! Stay tuned! Josh On Dec 12, 2012, at 3:13 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote: > Really fun game. I'm looking forward to more. I actually used to play this > game in Windows. Great job, guys. When I switched, games were the thing I was > really missing from Windows. > > Thanks again! > > Teresa > > > Slow down; you'll get there faster. > > On Dec 12, 2012, at 12:10 PM, "Daniel Miller" wrote: > >> Anything beyond core 2 duo is 64bit. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler >> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 2:06 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Changereaction: A new game from Draconess intertainment for >> blind in the Mac app store >> >> Okay, I have a 2.8 GHZ Intel Core i7 processor. Is that 64 Bit? Thanks. >> >> Les >> On Dec 12, 2012, at 2:01 PM, Josh de Lioncourt >> wrote: >> >>> >>> To check if your Mac is 64 bit: >>> >>> Go to Apple menu->About this Mac. In the window that appears, it will tell >> you the type of processor that is in your Mac. If it is Core Solo or Core >> Duo, it is 32 bit. If it is Core2 Duo, or anything later than that, it is 64 >> bit. >>> >>> If you do have a 64 bit Mac, contact me off list and we will work with you >> to find the problem. >>> >>> On Dec 12, 2012, at 1:36 PM, Stacey Robinson >> wrote: >>> >>>> Josh, >>>> I don't know if my machine is 64 bit. How do I find out? >>>> On Dec 12, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Stacey, >>>>> >>>>> The game should run on Snow Leopard, though it does required a 64-bit >> machine. Do you know if your Mac is 64-bit? >>>>> >>>>> If you continue to have problems, you can contact me off-list, and we >> can try to work through it. If it is a problem on our end, we will do our >> best to track it down and release an update that corrects it for you and >> anyone else who may be experiencing it. >>>>> >>>>> We've worked very hard to make ChangeReaction the very best it can be, >> and if there's a problem, we want to know about it and hopefully find a >> solution. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Dec 12, 2012, at 1:23 PM, Stacey Robinson >> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Josh, >>>>>> I've tried redownloading the game and it still won't open. >>>>>> Will it run on SnowLeopard? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Dec 12, 2012, at 12:01 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The audio is at least on par with all of our old games. Technology has >> come a long way int he last ten years, and it is not necessary for audio >> games to be huge anymore. You can hear a sample of the game audio here: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://dracoent.com/audio/trailers/CRTrailer.mp3 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is very possible to use compressed audio that decompresses on >> demand these days for desktop machines. iOS devices are another matter, as >> they aren't quite powerful enough for that yet. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 12, 2012, at 12:53 PM, "Daniel Miller" >> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Josh, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm finding it hard to believe that that app is self-contained in >>>>>>>> a 5MB download. The audio must be incredibly, incredibly horrible >>>>>>>> if that's the case. >>>>>>>> Just my 2 cents. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Josh de >>>>>>>> Lioncourt >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 11:47 AM >>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Changereaction: A new game from Draco
Update on ChangeReaction and Stacey's Issue
Hi all, We have an update pending review for ChangeReaction, so as soon as Apple approves it, it will be available. With Stacey's help, as well as the help of one of our beta testers, we were able to find the problem that occurs on some older Macs running Snow Leopard, and it is fixed now, along with another very minor bug that someone found. (You can pause the game during the intro sequence leading up to the starting pistol, which causes problems as there is nothing to pause yet at that point.) Thanks to Stacey, and we here at Draconis hope that everyone is enjoying the game. There are more titles to come, and your support means the world, as it will continue to allow us to make great games. Josh -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Update on ChangeReaction and Stacey's Issue
Though it has been a while, ChangeReaction for Windows did get numerous updates with bug fixes and such. The legacy ESP Softworks code was unwieldy and difficult to work with. We've designed our new game engine to make it much easier to update apps, and of course the Mac App Store helps with this, too. On Dec 14, 2012, at 4:33 AM, Chris H wrote: > That's pretty cool updates to this game will be released just like that. On > the Windows version I think only one version was released and no updates that > I can recall anyway. > > > Christopher Hallsworth > > On 13/12/2012 23:53, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> >> We have an update pending review for ChangeReaction, so as soon as Apple >> approves it, it will be available. >> >> With Stacey's help, as well as the help of one of our beta testers, we were >> able to find the problem that occurs on some older Macs running Snow >> Leopard, and it is fixed now, along with another very minor bug that someone >> found. (You can pause the game during the intro sequence leading up to the >> starting pistol, which causes problems as there is nothing to pause yet at >> that point.) >> >> Thanks to Stacey, and we here at Draconis hope that everyone is enjoying the >> game. There are more titles to come, and your support means the world, as it >> will continue to allow us to make great games. >> >> Josh >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
ChangeReaction 2.0.4 with fixes for some Snow Leopard users is now available
Last week, Stacey reported a problem running ChangeReaction 2.0.2 on her Snow Leopard machine. With her help, and the help of one of our beta testers, we managed to track down the problem, and an update which address this problem and another is now available in the Mac App Store. https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/changereaction/id578086731?mt=12 If you do not see version 2.0.4 in the App Store, it may not have hit the store of your area yet, but should very soon. Thanks all. Josh -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Draconis Entertainment Releases mini title for Mac OS X – SilverDollar
Howdy partner, and welcome to the Silver Dollar Saloon! Draconis Entertainment revisits the popular saloon of the old west featured in many of its audio games for the blind and visually impaired with a new mini title for Mac OS X! (Coming later to Windows PC's.) Primarily intended for the blind and visually impaired, SilverDollar offers three mini games that serve as both a great introduction to audio games for new players, and addictive fun for experienced ones. SilverDollar has no visual elements. Use your fingers, ears, and wits to engage in some western fun. So put on your 10 gallon hat, partner, and get into a little trouble at the old west's premier watering hole for outlaws and gunslingers alike. • Start a brawl with the Silver Dollar's resident tough guy. • Prove yourself a gunslinger by testing your shooting skills, blasting flying crockery out of the air. • Spend a little time at the one-armed bandit. • Features many favorite characters from previous Draconis titles, including Old Man Stanley. • Audio hints to help newcomers navigate the game menus with their ears. • In app instructions for all the mini games. Other mini games are planned for future updates. Have something you'd like to see? Let us know. SilverDollar is available in the Mac App Store for $1.99 USD at the following link: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/silverdollar/id591523274?mt=12 We are open to questions on this title, or Draconis in general. As always, we don't comment on unannounced titles, but we will do our best to answer questions. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: attention Lioncourt
I'm sorry you feel that way. I would appreciate it if you would not mis-represent what we're doing. If you had actually read previous messages, we were mainly discussing the problem that some folks, in some parts of the world, or with some wireless carriers in the US and elsewhere, have to pay for data by the KB, among other considerations. I don't get enough from the Google Ads or donations to even cover hosting costs, so that argument is ridiculous. We really do try to do what is in the best interest of the community. I'm sorry you feel there is some conspiracy theory or something going on behind the scenes. Sadly, Josh On Oct 22, 2009, at 1:51 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: > > Lots of people have. > Moderation say that they will implament things that are in the best > interest of the community, yet even though lots of people asked for > the full text to be included, its not happening. > It all boils down to promotion. I've been on josh'is site quite a few > times and I feel that it has some really valuable content, but lets be > honest, the only reason that the ful text isn't posted is so that he > can get more clicks and hopefully more clicks on his google adds. > You'll probably get the old "some people don't have broadband so we > need to compact messages" excuse, but in reality, the size difference > would be at most a few k, which would take around a second on a 56k > modem. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: attention Lioncourt
Hi all, Thank you all for the kind words and support. To answer Chris, yes, there is a donation link on the site. It's only been used twice in all the 2 plus years I've been running the site though. We'll continue to offer the best resource we possibly can. Thanks to all who have contributed content and support. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [Mac-cessibility News] MacSpeech Dictate Receives Update to V1.5.6
Hank, There is no demo of MacSpeech Dictate. It's an unfortunate decision by the company. You're stuck buying it sight unseen, so to speak. On Nov 5, 2009, at 2:07 PM, hank smith wrote: > > can I get a copy of it or a url to get it? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Itunes
I've updated iTunes here and am not experiencing this whatsoever, so I do not believe this is an access issue specifically, or at least not solely an access issue. iTunes is running very well for me at this point. Here are a few things to try: 1. Cycle VOiceOver off then on again. 2. Try restarting your Mac. 3. Repair permissions. This can be done with the Disk Utility app. In that app, select your main hard drive from the table on the left. Select the First-aid tab. Now click the "REpair Permissions" button and wait. In the past, these things have helped with iTunes problems. On Mar 30, 2010, at 6:41 PM, Howard Dupuis wrote: > It's way worse than I had imagined. Go to the Playlist browser, make a > selection, and iTunes crashes. Try it again, and the same thing > happens. This is ridiculous. Apple just touted accessibility at its > recent shareholders meeting, but it can't even get iTunes to work with > VO without crashing. Is there no one testing this before sending out > an update? Are all the folks who might be doing that hard at work on > the iPad? Every time there is an iTunes update, VO users take another > step backward. B! > > On Mar 30, 7:46 pm, "James & Nash" > wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Yes I've noticed some issues: >> >> 1. VO will ct as if Itunes is not there when it is open. Oh yes and the >> ITunes store has changed and i really don't like it. >> >> TC >> James, Lyn, Nash & Twinny > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Latest iTunes
Hi Scott and all, I updated iTunes today with absolutely no problems whatsoever. Everything is working perfectly. I'm very perplexed what could be causing these problems for some users. In the past, repair permissions has usually fixed iTunes oddities with VoiceOver. I wonder if there's a specific VO setting that is causing the problem? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Used an iPad today
The iPad is actually much more than either of those concepts. It's a productivity tool, a media consumption device, and several other things. Really, the beauty of the iPad is that it is whatever you, personally, need it to be. Several reviewers are calling it a "blank slate", and that's very apt. On Apr 9, 2010, at 1:43 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > Olivia and John, > > Yes I agree, the IPad is not a netbook, it's a digital / ebook reading > device and or entertainment device. > > Yeah ok you can surf the net and or check email. But it's more for being > able to source digital / ebook reading tool. > > Hence the reason a number of USA university / colleges are now selling them > to their students instead of printed text books. > > That's what I'd be buying one for, not for making phone calls on. > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of olivia norman > Sent: Thursday, 8 April 2010 6:24 a.m. > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Used an iPad today > > Well stated, as always, John! > Olivia > > On Apr 7, 2010, at 11:44 AM, John Panarese wrote: > >>Actually, as has been said several times, it is not over priced. For > those who believe this to be the case, unfortunately, you still are not > getting what the iPad is. It is not a net book nor is it meant to compete > with one. When you understand that basic point, you will understand the > value of it. The problem is, people are simply trying to categorize it into > the same class as net books, and it is not the case at all. It is a mobile > device that is meant to be more of an appliance than a computer. >> >>I'd take an iPad over a net book any day, and I could list several > reasons why, starting from the basic point that I would rather stay away > from Windows completely and don't want to bother with linux. I think you > are going to see more and more people making a similar choice once they > experience an iPad and start to grasp exactly what it is. I also don't mind > being tied to the hundreds of thousands of applications big brother Apple > wants me to use because they are just as diverse and comprehensive as > Windblows software for a net book, but that, of course, is just me. As > third party developers continue to create additional software and the > flexibility and power of the device is unleashed more and more, you are > going to see more and more of the me too companies trying to duplicate the > iPad as MS and HP are already attempting. I find it particularly amusing > that with so many people condemning the iPad as an "over priced net book", > there is such a big rush for companies to release their iPad clones and try > to catch a ride on the wave. Isn't insanity failing at the same thing over > and over again? >> >> Take Care >> >> John Panarese >> >> On Apr 7, 2010, at 7:22 AM, Rich Ring wrote: >> >>> I think it is over priced as well. I can buy a netbook with far greater >>> storage capacity for far less, and even if I buy System Access, I'll have > a >>> lower price, and I am not limited to the Software big brother Apple wants > me >>> to have. >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Robert Carter" >>> To: >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 2:56 PM >>> Subject: Re: Used an iPad today >>> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I am surprised that you feel that the iPad is over priced. It seems to me > >>> that Apple has really made a place for themselves in the lower priced >>> devices with the introduction of the iPad. I personally think the price > is >>> impressive. >>> >>> Robert Carter >>> >>> >>> On Apr 6, 2010, at 2:23 PM, Cody wrote: >>> I think the idea is awesome in terms of accessibility and apple will certainly get praises for that which they deserve, however I think the product itself is a rip off. sure, it's $499, but then they plan to rape > you at the app counter, so yeah it's accessible alright, but is it worth > a place in your walet? We sometimes let accessibility over power our > budgets because we see something and think, wow, gotta have that one. Cody - Original Message - From: "Bryan Smart" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 2:59 PM Subject: Used an iPad today I'd ordered the 3G model, so will be waiting a few more weeks yet, but I > had some time to play with a WiFi model today. Generally, it's an iPhone. However, besides the screen size being increased, the interface has increased in complexity, also. Apple is certainly using the extra space to expand on what is possible with an iPhone type touch interface. It took me only very little time to discover that portrait mode (which lots of sighted users select), is probably not the best for a blind person. When you're working with two hands, having more horizontal room seems to
Mac-cessibility Round Table Podcast #001 now available
The Mac-cessibility Podcast has been reborn as a round table-style discussion show covering all things Apple accessibility. This month our panelists are Holly Anderson, Darcy Bernard, Josh de lioncourt, Cara Quinn, and Steve Sawczyn, and covers a wide variety of recent Mac- cessibility news topics, software recommendations, and much more. For more details or to download the show, you can look up Mac- cessibility in the iTunes podcast directory, or read the show notes at: http://www.lioncourt.com/2009/04/01/the-mac-cessibility-round-table-podcast-1-reboot/ Josh de Lioncourt Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt "Beauty was a savage garden, so why should it wound him that the most despairing music is full of beauty?" The Vampire Lestat--Anne Rice --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Twitter client
Scott, It sounds like you're using an older version of Twitterific. The table was full of unknowns in versions prior to 3.2. The developer did quite a bit of work before the release of 3.2 to get it working with VO. Josh de Lioncourt Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt "The rich declare themselves poor, "And most of us are not sure, "If we have too much, "But we'll take our chances, "'cause God stopped keeping score." Praying for Time--George Michael On Apr 6, 2009, at 2:43 AM, Scott Howell wrote: > > Hey are there any special settings etc. to read the table? I put in > follow canadian_diva and was told there were 20 new tweets. I tried > arrowing up/down and even interacting with the table, but all I find > are the unknowns in the table. Also and I wonder if this has anything > to do with it, but seems sometimes the client will shut itself down > when I do certain things. Maybe I should just remove the client and > start over. > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mars edit
Like many shareware apps, MarsEdit has an option in the Application menu to Register. The application menu is the menu that has the title of the application, and is located to the immediate right of the Apple Menu. Josh de Lioncourt Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt "Beauty was a savage garden, so why should it wound him that the most despairing music is full of beauty?" The Vampire Lestat--Anne Rice --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: games for the Mac?
The Chess game that comes on all Macs is accessible. Zoom, an interactive fiction interpretor is an excellent way to play ZCode, TADS, and other games of that style on the Mac, including automatic voicing of new text built right into the game. DraconisEntertainment.com has some cross platform titles in the works. Josh de Lioncourt ...my other mail provider is an owl... On Apr 10, 2009, at 7:12 PM, Mark Baxter wrote: > > Other than web-based games like trivia type games, are there any games > that are VO friendly for the mac? I've never heard of any, other than > something like Quake, which has a Mac version of the AQ mod, which > also need to get set up... > > > Mark BurningHawk > > Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 > MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com > My home page: > http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Copy to Clipboard in Twitteriffic
It will play the default sound, usually an error beep of some kind, if it can't paste. It's easy to miss though. Also, I recommend interacting with the text of the tweet, moving past the name, then using VO_Down to read just the message. Pressing VO-Shift-C at this point will copy only the message and not the person's display name, which will usually keep the tweet from being too long to paste. Josh de Lioncourt Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt "Beauty was a savage garden, so why should it wound him that the most despairing music is full of beauty?" The Vampire Lestat--Anne Rice On Apr 14, 2009, at 8:51 AM, E.J. Zufelt wrote: > > Good afternoon, > > Appears that every time I was trying to copy and paste the first tweet > in Twitteriffic it was to long to paste. I'm not sure that I like the > behaviour of not allowing a paste of information that does not fit > into the update edit field. I'd prefer some sort of message, or that > as much text as fits would get pasted. > > HTH, > Everett > > Follow me on Twitter > http://twitter.com/ezufelt > > View my LinkedIn Profile > http://www.linkedin.com/in/ezufelt > > > > > > On 14-Apr-09, at 12:04 PM, E.J. Zufelt wrote: > >> Good morning, >> >> I don't seem to be able to copy tweets to the clipboard (using VO + >> Shift + C) when I am focused on the first tweet in the list. Any >> suggestions / can this be reproduced on anyone else's system? >> >> Thanks, >> Everett >> >> Follow me on Twitter >> http://twitter.com/ezufelt >> >> View my LinkedIn Profile >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/ezufelt >> >> >> >> >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Mac-cessibility Round Table Podcast #2 is up
This week, we have a newcomer to the show. Eric Troup joins Holly Anderson, Darcy Burnard, Cara Quinn, and Josh de Lioncourt to discuss accessibility of third-party Mac products, Front Row, iTunes, hardware and software recommendations, and much more. Subscribe via iTunes or visit http://www.lioncourt.com/2009/05/11/the-mac-cessibility-round-table-podcast-2-sedated/ Josh de Lioncourt ...my other mail provider is an owl... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: dvd's
The program Small DVD will do most of what you ask accessibly. There's a link to it in the software picks at www.Lioncourt.com. It is what I use to make simple DVD's, including chapter breaks and a main menu. :) Josh de Lioncourt ...my other mail provider is an owl... On May 12, 2009, at 8:46 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: > Hi, I've never tried on an AVI file, but I have tried on mpeg2 > files and Imovie won't use them. I've googled to see if I can find > an importer, and some very inelegant solutions exist. You have to > be a bit careful though because some of the videos like low bit > mpeg2's or avi files are lossie compressed video. It's somewhat > analagous to making cd's out of mp3 files. Possibly necessary bbut > not totally advisable if there's a posibility of avoiding it. I > really don't see though why it should be so hard to find a program > that will > *import video files using existing or open source codeks, > *Accessibly allow for title and chapter points to be added b time or > by frame, > *Accessibly allow for the insertion of an image, sound, or flash > movie to use as a menu background, > *And then nicely encode the dvd to a video_ts folder, preferably > mangling the video as little as possible. > > Best, > > erik burggraaf > A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. > Phone: 888-255-5194 > Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com > > On 12-May-09, at 10:42 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: > >> Ditto. This might be a non-trivial process. DVDs are usually >> playing MPEG2 format video and AVI is a Microsoft Video for Windows >> format which they came out with in 1992. It is just a container >> which can hold mpeg2 and other content types but DVDs are not >> typically formatted that way. DVDs in addition to being a specific >> physical media also has an entire spec about how the hierarchy of >> files is organized and how those files are formatted. So you can't >> just throw any old file on a DVD disc and expect it to work in a >> DVD player. That said, I wonder if iMovie could import the AVIs and >> make a DVD out of them. Or maybe QT Pro could export the AVIs in >> something iMovie can import. >> >> CB >> >> erik burggraaf wrote: >>> >>> Hi Will, >>> >>> If you copy a set of avi files into the untitled dvd folder and burn >>> them, you will get a disc full of avi files in whatever folder >>> structure you set them up in. >>> >>> If you want titles and chapters you need to re-author the avi files >>> into .vob dvd files. I haven't yet found a nice accessible >>> program to >>> do that but I'm all ears if anybody has. >>> >>> Your dvd player may play .avi files or it may not, or it may only >>> play >>> avi files on the root of the disc. Some experimentation is in order >>> here. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> erik burggraaf >>> A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. >>> Phone: 888-255-5194 >>> Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com >>> >>> On 12-May-09, at 6:10 AM, william lomas wrote: >>> >>> >>>> hi all I have a set of folders of files in AVI format. Can I >>>> asume >>>> that when I burn these to a dvd disc, that each folder will be a >>>> separate title on the disc? >>>> When I copy the folder with the files inside it to the untitled dvd >>>> burn folder, can i make the disc a DVD disc, not a VCD one, so >>>> that it >>>> can be played in a standard DVD player hooked up to a tv? >>>> WIll >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mac protection plan
No computer is completely invulnerable to attacks. The Mac OS is far safer than Windows. Saying that your best bet is to take a machine offline to protect it is like saying that you're not going to drive your car until accidents are eliminated. It's frankly ridiculous. I haven't read anything on any news sources, Mac or otherwise, that any hackers are targeting Macs specifically. There were a couple of Trojans earlier in the year if you downloaded and installed pirated copies of iWork or Adobe CS4, and frankly if you're pirating software, you deserve whatever's coming to you. You break the law, you take your chances. More recently, there was notification from a security firm about a vulnerability in Java, which can potentially be exploited on Macs, (and other systems that run Java applets on the web), but again, this is a known problem with no known malicious uses in the wild. Is it possible that you're just trying to get a rise out of us? Sure looks that way. Links to where you are getting this, almost certainly erroneous, information would be interesting. You can bet, just like the trojans and Java flaws, such a story would be all over the Mac news sites. I see not a one. Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On May 24, 2009, at 3:29 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote: > > Take it off line and keep it in a closet until snow leopard has been > released and then if I have enough money buy snow leopard and > install it. > Why? Because the hacker community is specifically targeting leopard > exploiting two critical vulnerabilities that are widely embedded in > Leopard and it will take Apple until at least June 2010 to write fixes > necessary to remove these vulnerabilities. If no more get created > and no > more get discovered by the malware folks between now and then, we > may have > a "secure" operating system to buy at that time. Strange how such a > short > word like if is so important. > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iTunes was killed for cause
iTunes has telephone support. If you weren't doing anything wrong, they'd surely reinstate you account. Also, it is possible that you activated Fairplay DRM on more machines that is allowed, which could explain why your account was limited. It is a simple thing to back up Podcast subscriptions. Simply bring up the context menu on Podcasts in the Sources table and export them, then you can load them back in on any computer. Besides, disabling your iTunes Store account will not disable iTune itself. Your podcasts are fine...or would have been. :) Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On May 24, 2009, at 3:22 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote: > > The iTunes store decided to disable my id for security reasons. No > process exists on apple's website to resolve this problem that I can > find. > For that reason I have disabled iTunes on this machine and will not > reinstall it or allow it to be reinstalled for very long. With the ID > that was disabled went my podcasts subscriptions and those will not be > easily reconstructed. Since Apple didn't put up anything on its > website > for how to resolve security problems and since the automated system > and > humans are also clueless this is no less than Apple deserves. > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Wordpress and VoiceOver
Hi there, Yes, WordPress is very accessible, and I use a form of it on all my sites, as it is a robust, accessible, and relatively intuitive content management system. The main thing to remember is to disable the visual editor, which doesn't work well with any screen reader on any platform that I've ever encountered. This is, if memory serves, in the Settings->Writing section of the WordPress admin area, but don't take that as necessarily gospel. :) HTH. Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On May 22, 2009, at 7:49 PM, Eliza Cooper wrote: > > Hi list, > I am about to attempt to build wordpress into my website. Has anyone > done this yet, and is the process accessible with VO? Just thought > I'd make sure before I go and learn everything and try it. > Thanks, > Eliza > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Wordpress and VoiceOver
It's all a matter of preference. I like the ease of customization for WP within the WordPress admin interface, which you don't get with Drupal if you're totally blind. Drupal relies heavily on drag and drop in its Administration panel, particularly for site layout, and that is a real turn off for someone looking to design and manage their own site. Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On May 24, 2009, at 6:02 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > Hi, > > Drupal is better though with a shopping cart etc. > > Thanks, > Alex, > > > On 24-May-09, at 4:24 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: > >> Hi there, >> >> Yes, WordPress is very accessible, and I use a form of it on all my >> sites, as it is a robust, accessible, and relatively intuitive >> content management system. >> >> The main thing to remember is to disable the visual editor, which >> doesn't work well with any screen reader on any platform that I've >> ever encountered. This is, if memory serves, in the Settings- >> >Writing section of the WordPress admin area, but don't take that >> as necessarily gospel. :) >> >> HTH. >> >> Josh de Lioncourt >> …my other mail provider is an owl… >> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt >> Music: http://stage19music.com >> Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com >> Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com >> GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt >> >> On May 22, 2009, at 7:49 PM, Eliza Cooper wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi list, >>> I am about to attempt to build wordpress into my website. Has >>> anyone >>> done this yet, and is the process accessible with VO? Just thought >>> I'd make sure before I go and learn everything and try it. >>> Thanks, >>> Eliza >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Group or dom, was Re: Dynamic html and Safari in group mode
I don't think this is necessarily true. Most VoiceOver Mac users these days came from Windows, because for several years there was no screen reader for Mac OS X. I used Mac with outSpoken in the 90's, but had been a Windows user for a decade when I made the leap to OS X. I dislike DOM mode and find that Groups mode does a much better job of serving up web content. It's really a matter of personal preference. If you want to have as close of an experience of surfing the web as a sighted user gets, Groups mode is for you. If you want a linear, more command-line or DOS- like approach, use DOM. Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jun 5, 2009, at 1:37 AM, Ignasi Cambra wrote: > > I think most people who come from Windows screen readers, including > myself, use DOM navigation because it's basically the same one that > you would use with JFW or Window Eyes. I do like Group navigation, > except sometimes it just didn't work for me on certain websites so I > definitely switched to DOM. > > Ignasi > On Jun 5, 2009, at 4:24 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > >> >> I have always thought that group mode is the way to go, at least >> that's what i was taught when first beginning to use VO. Therefore >> i'm >> extremely reluctant to leave group mode, because it's much faster as >> someone here said and in Dom mode you have to sift through all the >> links and stuff to get where you want to go. Now i'm confused as to >> what to actually use. and the way my brain works is that it needs to >> know what to use, even though it's a personal preference for most >> users. So what's the general thought nowadays, is it Dom mode or >> Group >> and why one above the other? >> /Krister >> >> >> 5 jun 2009 kl. 10.10 skrev Esther: >> >>> >>> Hi Michael, >>> >>> You can set either DOM or Group navigation under the Web >>> specifications in VoiceOver Utility. Use VO-F8 to bring up the >>> VoiceOver Utility menu, press "w" to go to "Web" in the sidebar, >>> then >>> tab to the web setup options and select the radio button for either >>> DOM or group navigation for "When navigating web content use:". >>> Command-W to close the window. >>> >>> As a further comment, a number of people have remarked that on web >>> pages you're familiar with, group navigation works faster. I use >>> group >>> navigation for searching the archives, for example. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Esther >>> >>> On Jun 4, 2009, at 21:56 , Michael Busboom wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Can somebody tell me how to switch between DOM and Group Modes? >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Justin >>>> Harford >>>> Sent: Friday, 05 June, 2009 04:26 >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: Dynamic html and Safari in group mode >>>> >>>> >>>> Groups mode is a mode which has fallen into disfavor lately because >>>> of >>>> what has been mentioned. This bug of ignoring dynamically changing >>>> HTML has been a problem since the days of tiger. It's not just a >>>> matter that DOM mode gives you more information end-of-story. The >>>> reason for that is a bug probably in apple's webkit which needs to >>>> be >>>> fixed. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Justin Harford >>>> On Jun 4, 2009, at 4:19 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> first off, dom mode will generally give you more information, >>>>> that's >>>>> the setting I would advise you to use. Second, if you can get the >>>>> mouse on the right spot, you could then turn off cursor tracking >>>>> and >>>>> see if you could read the menus. >>>>> On Jun 4, 2009, at 7:22 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hey good people out there in cyberland. >>>>>> I was trying to work with a web site which caused me problem
Re: Xcode
The XCode app is excellent with VoiceOver. The problem arises if you want to use Interface Builder to build user interfaces for your app. You can do this in code instead, which is painful but doable. I use XCode daily, and overall, I love it. Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jun 5, 2009, at 12:30 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote: > > Hello all, > Is XCode compatible with VO? Thanks! > > Ignasi > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Rare Apple Synth
Wow… With as into Apple 2's as I was in the 80's and 90's, I can't believe I've never heard of this. If you get it working, please record some samples for us. I have an old II GS that still works. It's fun to dust off and use now and then. Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jun 6, 2009, at 7:47 AM, Tiffany D wrote: > > So I was looking for used replacement synths for my Echo and Echo PC > (preferably Doubletalk and Doubletalk LT) and found something very > interesting. I've never heard of this. Can anyone help? I'm > seriously tempted to buy it. Is it compatible with Textalker? This > thing has got to be rare and I can't wait to hear what it sounds > like... Below is the text, since the link will go dead in about two > hours. > > Thanks, > Eleni > "This auction is for a Mountain Computers Supertalker for the Apple > II. > "This is a rare voice digitzer card, I can find almost no information > about it. It looks to be in good condition, you will get the a card > Just like the one shown in the pictures. I tried to cut the glare so > you could read it well. If anyone has information about this card, > please let me know and I will add it. This item is sold as is, we did > not test it. (obviously) :)" > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Group or dom, was Re: Dynamic html and Safari in group mode
Justin, I even mention outSpoken in my message you are replying too, so I have no clue what you're getting at. :) *Most* are coming from Windows, because for 5 years or so, there was no screen reader for OS X. I think that's a very fair statement. :) Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jun 6, 2009, at 9:54 AM, Justin Harford wrote: > Have you forgotten about outspoken? > On Jun 6, 2009, at 8:39 AM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: > >> >> I don't think this is necessarily true. Most VoiceOver Mac users >> these days came from Windows, because for several years there was >> no screen reader for Mac OS X. >> >> I used Mac with outSpoken in the 90's, but had been a Windows user >> for a decade when I made the leap to OS X. I dislike DOM mode and >> find that Groups mode does a much better job of serving up web >> content. >> >> It's really a matter of personal preference. If you want to have as >> close of an experience of surfing the web as a sighted user gets, >> Groups mode is for you. If you want a linear, more command-line or >> DOS-like approach, use DOM. >> >> Josh de Lioncourt >> …my other mail provider is an owl… >> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt >> Music: http://stage19music.com >> Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com >> Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com >> GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt >> >> On Jun 5, 2009, at 1:37 AM, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >> >>> >>> I think most people who come from Windows screen readers, including >>> myself, use DOM navigation because it's basically the same one that >>> you would use with JFW or Window Eyes. I do like Group navigation, >>> except sometimes it just didn't work for me on certain websites so I >>> definitely switched to DOM. >>> >>> Ignasi >>> On Jun 5, 2009, at 4:24 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I have always thought that group mode is the way to go, at least >>>> that's what i was taught when first beginning to use VO. >>>> Therefore i'm >>>> extremely reluctant to leave group mode, because it's much faster >>>> as >>>> someone here said and in Dom mode you have to sift through all the >>>> links and stuff to get where you want to go. Now i'm confused as to >>>> what to actually use. and the way my brain works is that it needs >>>> to >>>> know what to use, even though it's a personal preference for most >>>> users. So what's the general thought nowadays, is it Dom mode or >>>> Group >>>> and why one above the other? >>>> /Krister >>>> >>>> >>>> 5 jun 2009 kl. 10.10 skrev Esther: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Michael, >>>>> >>>>> You can set either DOM or Group navigation under the Web >>>>> specifications in VoiceOver Utility. Use VO-F8 to bring up the >>>>> VoiceOver Utility menu, press "w" to go to "Web" in the sidebar, >>>>> then >>>>> tab to the web setup options and select the radio button for >>>>> either >>>>> DOM or group navigation for "When navigating web content use:". >>>>> Command-W to close the window. >>>>> >>>>> As a further comment, a number of people have remarked that on web >>>>> pages you're familiar with, group navigation works faster. I use >>>>> group >>>>> navigation for searching the archives, for example. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Esther >>>>> >>>>> On Jun 4, 2009, at 21:56 , Michael Busboom wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Can somebody tell me how to switch between DOM and Group Modes? >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Justin >>>>>> Harford >>>>>> Sent: Friday, 05 June, 2009 04:26 >>
Re: Group or dom, was Re: Dynamic html and Safari in group mode
Hi Krister, Can't say I've had much trouble with Groups mode and dynamic HTML. I am using Safari 4 public beta. If you're running Safari 3, it might be worth checking out Safari 4. Occasionally, content doesn't refresh immediately, but moving around for a second or cycling VO off and on always fixes that. Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jun 6, 2009, at 11:21 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > > Hi Josh, i totally agree with what you say, and it's mostly because of > that that i like groups mode more than dom. I must ask a question > however, have you had the problem with dynamic html that i have and > how do you work around it? Is it the link chooser or what's the best > bet? > /Krister > > > 6 jun 2009 kl. 17.39 skrev Josh de Lioncourt: > >> >> I don't think this is necessarily true. Most VoiceOver Mac users >> these days came from Windows, because for several years there was no >> screen reader for Mac OS X. >> >> I used Mac with outSpoken in the 90's, but had been a Windows user >> for a decade when I made the leap to OS X. I dislike DOM mode and >> find that Groups mode does a much better job of serving up web >> content. >> >> It's really a matter of personal preference. If you want to have as >> close of an experience of surfing the web as a sighted user gets, >> Groups mode is for you. If you want a linear, more command-line or >> DOS-like approach, use DOM. >> >> Josh de Lioncourt >> …my other mail provider is an owl… >> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt >> Music: http://stage19music.com >> Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com >> Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com >> GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt >> >> On Jun 5, 2009, at 1:37 AM, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >> >>> >>> I think most people who come from Windows screen readers, including >>> myself, use DOM navigation because it's basically the same one that >>> you would use with JFW or Window Eyes. I do like Group navigation, >>> except sometimes it just didn't work for me on certain websites so I >>> definitely switched to DOM. >>> >>> Ignasi >>> On Jun 5, 2009, at 4:24 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I have always thought that group mode is the way to go, at least >>>> that's what i was taught when first beginning to use VO. Therefore >>>> i'm >>>> extremely reluctant to leave group mode, because it's much faster >>>> as >>>> someone here said and in Dom mode you have to sift through all the >>>> links and stuff to get where you want to go. Now i'm confused as to >>>> what to actually use. and the way my brain works is that it needs >>>> to >>>> know what to use, even though it's a personal preference for most >>>> users. So what's the general thought nowadays, is it Dom mode or >>>> Group >>>> and why one above the other? >>>> /Krister >>>> >>>> >>>> 5 jun 2009 kl. 10.10 skrev Esther: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Michael, >>>>> >>>>> You can set either DOM or Group navigation under the Web >>>>> specifications in VoiceOver Utility. Use VO-F8 to bring up the >>>>> VoiceOver Utility menu, press "w" to go to "Web" in the sidebar, >>>>> then >>>>> tab to the web setup options and select the radio button for >>>>> either >>>>> DOM or group navigation for "When navigating web content use:". >>>>> Command-W to close the window. >>>>> >>>>> As a further comment, a number of people have remarked that on web >>>>> pages you're familiar with, group navigation works faster. I use >>>>> group >>>>> navigation for searching the archives, for example. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Esther >>>>> >>>>> On Jun 4, 2009, at 21:56 , Michael Busboom wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Can somebody tell me how to switch between DOM and Group Modes? >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>> >&g
Re: Rare Apple Synth
I'd be happy to reminisce about the old Apple 2 and early outSpoken days. :) My II GS is in storage, so can't do any demos for a few months, but would be happy to talk about it. I loved those machines. I used the Apple 2E, 2C, 2C+, and 2GS. Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jun 6, 2009, at 9:43 AM, Scott Howell wrote: > Hey this reminds me. WOuld anyone out there who has experiences and > possibly some stuff they could demo from the Apple II days or even > the days of using OutSpoken on different Mac machines? If so, would > you consider being interviewed for a podcast? I'd like to facilitate > such an arrangement with the RetroMac Podcast since they cover all > things Mac that are from back in the day if you will. If you would > be interested and can provide some info about your experiences etc. > I'll gather all this together and approach the gents that put that > podcast on with the idea and the background in hopes they'll > consider doing it. I figured I could just toss the idea at them, but > if I give them as much as possible, they may be more likely to do it > since the leg-work would be greatly reduced and I wouldn't expect > them to have a vast network or such to find all the info on > accessibility. > > tnx, > On Jun 6, 2009, at 11:43 AM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: > >> Wow… >> >> With as into Apple 2's as I was in the 80's and 90's, I can't >> believe I've never heard of this. If you get it working, please >> record some samples for us. >> >> I have an old II GS that still works. It's fun to dust off and use >> now and then. >> >> Josh de Lioncourt >> …my other mail provider is an owl… >> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt >> Music: http://stage19music.com >> Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com >> Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com >> GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt >> >> On Jun 6, 2009, at 7:47 AM, Tiffany D wrote: >> >>> >>> So I was looking for used replacement synths for my Echo and Echo PC >>> (preferably Doubletalk and Doubletalk LT) and found something very >>> interesting. I've never heard of this. Can anyone help? I'm >>> seriously tempted to buy it. Is it compatible with Textalker? This >>> thing has got to be rare and I can't wait to hear what it sounds >>> like... Below is the text, since the link will go dead in about two >>> hours. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Eleni >>> "This auction is for a Mountain Computers Supertalker for the >>> Apple II. >>> "This is a rare voice digitzer card, I can find almost no >>> information >>> about it. It looks to be in good condition, you will get the a card >>> Just like the one shown in the pictures. I tried to cut the glare so >>> you could read it well. If anyone has information about this card, >>> please let me know and I will add it. This item is sold as is, we >>> did >>> not test it. (obviously) :)" >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
I'm still kind of in shock. This is beyond fantastic news. I'll have to get me an iPhone as soon as I possibly can. This is just tremendous. The description of how it works sounds very inuitive. I absoltuely cannot wait. Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jun 8, 2009, at 1:41 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: > > Read. > http://www.apple.com/accessibility/iphone/vision.html > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
Just to clarify some of this AT&T exclusivity contract business… On Jun 9, 2009, at 10:37 PM, Justin Harford wrote: > It is actually very clear. Just google it and you will find that the > ATT Apple contract expires in 2010. That's not really true. No one, outside the parties involved, know the exact details of the Apple/AT&T contract. for the iPhone. Speculation has led to the widely accepted consensus that the contract most likely expires in 2010, but that is not absolute knowledge. It's been further speculated that the contract might expire as early as the end of 2009, or extend through the summer of 2011. No one knows with absolute certainty. Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
On Jun 9, 2009, at 10:20 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: > As I had mentioned in the past, the non-S model of iPhone didn't > have enough power to do real text to speech so I was kinda hoping > we'd have VO with the newly released model. That also means we won't > have this migrating to iPods and such anytime soon. Hope it works > well in the real world. I would bet cold hard cash that a similarly equiped iPod Touch with VoiceOver will be available in September, when Apple traditionally refreshes the iPod line, including the Touch. Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
>>> On Jun 9, 2009, at 7:38 PM, Brent Harding wrote: >>>> I thought I heard that GPS like we need will never be a possibility >>>> with the >>>> maps program it comes with. I thought Apple is contractually >>>> obligated to >>>> stop short of turn by turn directions and not approve apps that do >>>> it. >>> >>> Dunno where you heard that, but they introduced just such a beast >>> from >>> Tomtom at WWDC. Apple cannot use Google Maps specifically for turn by turn. Tomtom uses it's own maps to provide turn-by-turn directions. The Google Maps program that ships with the iPhone, and which Apple lists on their site as accessible, provides both public transit and walking directions, according to my brother-in-law. So that sounds exactly like what I need. Not sure about the rest of you. *grin* Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt >>> --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voiceover on iPhone demo was Re: voice over comes to the I phone
On Jun 9, 2009, at 8:38 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > The voice on the phone is Victoria because of her great workings with > low RAM systems. She is the English US Candidate it seems. > > I saw this in a demo. Just to clarify, VoiceOver is not in the demo, though the iPhone's TTS is demonstrated. The voice is similar to Victoria, though I'm not sure it is quite the same. It appears to be the same voice used for English on the iPod Shuffle 3G for Windows and Tiger systems. Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
On Jun 9, 2009, at 8:36 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > The criteria is that TomTom wants exclusive rights to Turn by Turn > directions. > > So they have them. Do you have a source for such information? I haven't seen anything that claims Tomtom has exclusive rights to turn-by-turn. Google Maps cannot be used for turn-by-turn, due to Apple's contract with Google, but there's nothing to stop other iPhone developers from creating turn- by-turn apps with their own maps, and nothing that says that Tomtom has any sort of exclusive. Such an exclusive would be strange, in any event, since the Tomtom app doesn't come with the phone, but is available for purchase from the iPhone app store. Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
On Jun 9, 2009, at 5:56 AM, ben mustill-rose wrote: > Assuming of course that the developer wants to. Essentially, you'll > end up with the exact same situation you have on every other platform > where a screenreader exists, its going to be down to the developers to > make there applications accessable. > To be honest, using a touch screen is nice, knowing where abouts > things are on the screen is nice, but it'll be the developers of the > third party apps that will diside if the i phone has a strong > following in the blind communitty or not. You have a point, but the iPhone has a much better shot at it than anything else out there, given how closely it is tied to Mac OS X. iPhone developers are, by and large, Mac developers. Mac developers have been very responsive to accessibility issues, more so than any other mainstream platform. I suspect we're going to see very similar, if not nearly exactly the same, level of access on the iPhone as we see on the Mac, and I expect that to come much more quickly on the iPhone. Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The iphone and gps
Google Maps, from what I'm told, provides walking and public transit directions. If that's the case, it should work quite well for VO users, given that the Google Maps app is supposed to be accessible. If it is not sufficient, Google Maps functionality is available to iPhone developers, so someone will doubtless get this working at some point. Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jun 10, 2009, at 12:13 AM, Jed Barton wrote: > > Hey guys, > What do you guys see as a solution for those who want a gps on the > iphone, > do you think we're out of luck? > I couldn't find something that might work as a solution. Any > thoughts? > > Thanks, > Jed > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
On Jun 11, 2009, at 1:07 PM, Brent Harding wrote: > They didn't say that in the presentation. I guess someone like > Sendero could do this as nobody said Tom Tom will be accessible for > us or even work for walking routes. Whoever takes this one on will > also likely have to make Bluetooth drivers for external GPS > receivers since the kind in most phones won't register movement less > than 5 miles an hour. I would believe that as I tried the trial of > Mobile Geo on my Sprint Mogul, and just sitting still the current > location drifted until it became unknown. Even the first fix was off > by at least several blocks. > At this point, we have no idea whether or not Tomtom will be accessible. It may or may not be, but I see no reason to assume without finding out. The iPhone has GPS, so as I stated previously, if Google Maps or Tomtom do not suffice, I'm sure some developer will come forward witha more robust application that will do what is needed. Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The iphone and gps
The iPhone has GPS. GPS is separate from the Google Maps application that ships on the iPhone, which simply uses GPS to pin-point your location. GPS can be used for any number of things, and is not restricted to Google Maps. Apple states that the Maps app that ships with the iPhone is accessible with VoiceOver. Other applications from third-party developers is unknown at this time. Just wanted to clarify. Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jun 12, 2009, at 3:05 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > > The I phone does have gps but it's a system that works with google > maps > over the data connection to work. As for accessibility hel whos knows. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Attention Syrinx users!
Twitterific seems to be working OK. You might want to check if you've got the very latest version. :) On Jun 12, 2009, at 7:03 PM, Steven M. Sawczyn wrote: > Wow, I can't sign in with Twitterrific either... What am I going to > do without Twitter? Oh, the horror. > > Steve > > On Jun 12, 2009, at 9:38 PM, Darcy Burnard wrote: > > Hi everyone. Apparently the twitter client Syrinx is being effected > by the Twitpocalypse. If you don't know what that is, a description > is here. > http://www.twitpocalypse.com/ > Until this gets fixed, you'll have to switch back to either > twitterific or twitterpod. > Darcy > > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Attention Syrinx users!
On Jun 13, 2009, at 7:18 AM, Mike Reiser wrote: > I've used syrinx just fine here, using 2.1 or whatever the version is. > > Mike Unfortunately, it's true. As of yesterday afternoon, Syrinx fell prey to what they are calling the Twitpocolypse, and will not download new tweets properly until it is updated. Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Attention Syrinx users!
Twitterific is pretty good, but you ahve to read the documentation to learn the hot keys. You lose a lot of functionality, such as Mentions and searching, though. On Jun 13, 2009, at 9:24 AM, Mike Reiser wrote: > Oh yes Josh I've noticed that it won't do it. Any other free or > otherwise clients we can use until it gets updated? Is twitterific > pretty intuitive like syrinx? Thanks, > > Mike > On Jun 13, 2009, at 9:23 AM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: > >> On Jun 13, 2009, at 7:18 AM, Mike Reiser wrote: >>> I've used syrinx just fine here, using 2.1 or whatever the version >>> is. >>> >>> Mike >> >> >> Unfortunately, it's true. As of yesterday afternoon, Syrinx fell >> prey to what they are calling the Twitpocolypse, and will not >> download new tweets properly until it is updated. >> >> Josh de Lioncourt >> …my other mail provider is an owl… >> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt >> Music: http://stage19music.com >> Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com >> Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com >> GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt >> >> >> >> >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: flakey iPod nano?
It sounds more like a bad iPod cable. Do you have a spare, or one you can borrow for someone? It might be that your cable has a short in it, or is otherwise damaged. I have an old iPod cable that I recently got rid of which was doing the same sort of thing. On Jun 15, 2009, at 12:36 PM, Arthur Pirika wrote: > > hi all, I'm running into a problem with the ipid nano and wondering > where to > go from here. Basically, almost every time you plug in the iPod to > the mac, > it either comes up, and synnc's way too quickly, or, simply doesn't > show at > all in the sources table. Is there a way to reinstall the driver for > the > ipod on the system? or would it require reinstalling, or downgrading > itunes? > Currently running 8.2. > > thanks, > Arthur,. > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone Dreams
One thing to keep in mind, though, is that most people only need or want a couple of those devices to carry around with them. I think the iPhone will definitely serve as a replacement for many devices for a large number of users. Like anything else, it will depend on the needs of the individual. For myself, I expect that the iPhone will work well as a book reader (i.e. Victor Reader Stream or BookPort), if not immediately then in short order. I do not feel those devices are good value for your money, so have never been willing to plunk down the cash for them. The iPhone will be an excellent alternative for me. Will the iPHone fulfill everyone's dreams? I seriously doubt it. I think it will depend on what you need from a mobile device. The battery issue is neither here nor there, as it is a problem with any device of this nature. For audio output, the iPhone's battery life is comparable to an iPod, so I think, overall, the life of the charge will be no better or worse than it would be otherwise. Again, this comes back to the individual user's needs and habbits. Just a few cents to ponder. On Jun 15, 2009, at 10:46 AM, Gary W. Kelly wrote: > > Hi, > > Kara is correct. For those of you attended CSUN in March, and recall > the iVisit demonstration of SeeStar and SeeScan--well, you were > watching a camera cellphone with less than 3 megapixels. It could > identify money, and while it is limited in how small print can be, it > is surprisingly good. > > The difficulty for developers for the iPhone is the "crowd at the > door". There are so many developers with good ideas, that Apple is > limited in how much attention they can give individual developers. > This is both good and bad news. It means that the iPhone will not > have everything at once, but it also means that once the flow of new > widgets and systems start, it will flow well for a long time. > > The new iPhone has 256 mb of memory--double the current models, and a > 600 mhz processor. Even so, it will have difficulty doing the heavy > lifting of processing OCR, or even doing recognition tasks. The > iVisit approach revealed at CSUN, depends on a data channel to connect > to a desk server to do that processing intensive work. It is likely > that will remain just as true of future iPhones for a while. > > Since some of the desirable applications will take a couple of years > to have available to the public, there is plenty of time for an iPhone > upgrade by then. Remember, the life cycle of a cellphone is typically > 18 months. > > The greater issues with doing any kind of recognition with a camera on > a cellphone have to do with the human factors of how to aim the > camera, and know the image is in the field. The process requires a > remote server to do the heavy lifting of recognition if you want more > than minimal performance. This means a data plan, and reception > issues. Even at 600 mhz, and 256 mb memory, resources are scant for > serious OCR on the phone. Think of doing that back in 1999 on your > PC. > > Another note of reality for this discussion is to realize that iPhones > now are notorious for being power hungry. If one uses an iPhone as > many typical users do, the battery does *not* last through the day. > There are iPhone kits to provide portable power on the go, to recharge > the iPhone. > > The battery is the weak component. Yes, it would be wonderful to have > all those hardware gadgets in one iPhone package, but currently, you > can only expect to do that for about half a day. If you want to use > your phone after that, you will need to get more power for it. It is > not currently realistic to carry around your phone, and ask it to be a > cellphone, a portable document reader, an email reader, book reader, > music player, GPS navigator, money/object recognizer, color > identifier, bar code/RFID reader, etc, and last for 10-12 hours a day > while you are on the go, too. > > There are real trade-offs that will have to be made, and that > balancing act takes time to play out. I am currently participating in > a study of "best practices" in cellphone design for persons who are > blind. We are finding that few phones running MobileSpeaks can > survive a day without a recharge. Cellphone companies fudge their > numbers by turning out the backlight in 2 seconds, as on the BlackJack > 2, and cutting system resources to the bone to make that 8 hours they > want to advertise. When we go in, and reset it so it can work with > MobileSpeaks, the additional overhead takes a big toll. Just as the > manuals say--running bluetooth uses more power, so does MobileSpeaks, > or any other screen reading system. GPS uses more power, and those > cameras eat power at an incredible rate. In my work with one > application on a Mogul, I could drain the battery in about 2 hours at > most. > > Relax, be patient, and enjoy Snow Leopard when it arrives. > It may take time for iPhones, or any other phone t
Re: Rare Apple Synth
Ah yes, you're talking DOS 3.3, but by the mid '80's the Apple 2's had ProDOS, which was lightyears better, and included directories, copy commands, and more. Excellent times. I still have my Apple iiGS, and it still works pretty well. On Jun 18, 2009, at 12:34 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: > The original Apple IIs (before the IIgs) had their own DOS but it > was something Apple wrote from scratch and not a clone of CP/M or MS > DOS. It had the usual commands to catalog the contents of a disk or > execute a program. It was, like many things on the II, very small > fast and efficient but had some gaping holes such as the lack of a > copy command or folders. You also had to type out CATALOG every time > which got old. That's why I used the ampersand trick to make it do a > catalog. poke 1014,110 and then poke 1015,165 to make & == CATALOG. > So much typing saved that those pokes still stick in my head years > later. Yet I still forget the lunch I packed on the the table at > home when heading to work. Why is that? > > CB --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iTunes becomes unresponsive.
I'm running iTunes in exactly the same manner without trouble. No guarantee it would work, but you might want to try to run Repair Permissions. I've found that, when I do have quirks in iTunes, doing so will often, though not always, straighten things out. Just a thought. On Jun 19, 2009, at 1:46 AM, Kevin Reeves wrote: > Hey folks. I just got my dad's iTunes library all > straightened out. Looks like he's got 480 albums in his library. > We've put all the music on an external USB Passport drive and have > pointed iTunes to that folder. Everything looks great. However, > here's the frustration. I click an album in grid mode, bringing up > the song list. I play the first song. Then, as I shift tab to > another field or vo out of the table, iTunes completely hoses and I > have to force quit it. What might be wrong here? Am I asking iTunes > to do too much with this external drive? Any help would be greatly > appreciated, as I have spent many hours painstakingly reconstructing > this library for his new machine. Thanks so much. > > Reeves > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Round Table Podcast Discussion of the iPhone 3GS and VoiceOver
The Mac-cessibility Round Table Podcast brings you a discussion of the new iPhone 3GS and Voiceover. We had hoped to get this episode out sooner, but due to a large number of technical issues, it was delayed. HOwever, it is here now. Enjoy! Special Edition Episode #2 -- More Than Meets the iPhone http://www.lioncourt.com/2009/06/23/the-mac-cessibility-round-table-podcast-se-2-more-than-meets-the-iphone/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iPhone with Voice Over email list
You can subscribe via this link to the GoogleGroups group: http://googlegroups.com/group/viphone HTH On Jun 28, 2009, at 6:14 AM, Robert Carter wrote: > > Hi, > > I just got back from Europe and missed the information on > subscribing to the new iPhone and Voice Over email list. Could > someone kindly tell me how to subscribe? > > Thanks, > > Robert Carter > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Subscribing to the viphone list
I believe that you just need to wait for the moderator to aprove you request now. You can shoot her off an email to caraqu...@caraquinn.com She had to put the list into moderation, as a spam bot started posting to it, and as she's gone for a few days, it may take some time to aprove your request. :) On Jun 29, 2009, at 2:58 AM, Robert Carter wrote: > > Hi, > > When I send an email to subscribe to the viphone list, I get an > email back > from google groups saying that it is a moderated list and one cannot > subscribe via email. It gives me a link for more information but the > page is > just a sign up page to join google groups. > > How do I proceed from here? I really want to join this list. > > Thanks, > > Robert Carter > > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature > database 4195 (20090629) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iPhone - Read All?
A quick flick upward with two fingers will read from the top of the screen. A quick flick downward with two fingers will read from the currently focused item downward. On Jul 1, 2009, at 7:19 AM, John Denning wrote: > Is there a gesture to read say an entire screen? Or the body of a > message, document? > > - JD - > John Denning > AIM: denni...@mac.com > A+ MCSA MCSE ITILv3 > And glad to be a Mac snob again! > Roswell, GA > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Vmware Fusion and Snow Leopard
Snow Leopard isn't out yet, so they aren't offering support for it at this time. There is no way they will not provide support for the final release of SL, I'm sure. No need for panic, or even mild anxiety. :) On Jul 1, 2009, at 3:09 PM, Simon Cavendish wrote: > > Hello Listers, > > I have e-mailed Vmware Fusion to ask about their product compatibility > with Snow Leopard. I have Fusion 2.0, I wanted to know whether it was > going to be compatible. I'm not sure how to interpret this rather > brief response but I thought I'd paste it below for you who are more > knowledgeable to interpret. Let me know what you think. It would > appear that Fusion's support for Snow Leopard is not at all certain, > not for version 2.0. So does it mean I can chuck it away and cut my > losses if I want to run Snow Leopard? > > Here is their response: (I've corrected typos in it.) > > "Fusion 2.0.5 added experimental support for snow leopard as a host > and guest > OS. Being it is still experimental is no official technical support > available > for it even with valid complimentary or purchased instance support." > > Best wishes > > Simon > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: viphone list?
Cara Quinn is also the moderator for VI Phone. She is traveling this week with limited Internet access. Hang in there and I'm sure she will approve you all as soon as she has access to do so. :) On Jul 2, 2009, at 7:29 AM, John Denning wrote: > I used the ggroup site to request being added to the list. If the > admin is on here please let me know if there's a problem. > > Requested for my me.com email. > > - JD - > John Denning > AIM: denni...@me.com > A+ MCSA MCSE ITILv3 > And glad to be a Mac snob again! > Roswell, GA > > > > > On Jul 2, 2009, at 10:19 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> It is well. >> >> Regards, >> Alex, >> >> >> On 2-Jul-09, at 6:43 AM, Jane Jordan (Gmail) wrote: >> >>> I hope so. I haven't heard much either. >>> >>> Jane >>> >>> >>> >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> ] On Behalf Of John Denning >>> Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 9:39 AM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: viphone list? >>> >>> Is the viphone list alive and well? I've requested to join a few >>> days ago and haven't heard anything yet. >>> >>> >>> >>> - JD - >>> John Denning >>> AIM: denni...@mac.com >>> A+ MCSA MCSE ITILv3 >>> And glad to be a Mac snob again! >>> Roswell, GA >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Internal Virus Database is out of date. >>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1882 - Release Date: >>> 1/8/2009 8:13 AM >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: brf reader
Back translating is really the best way to go. I mean, if you're reading with a braille display, TextEdit or any other text editing program should do the trick for you. If you want the TTS to read it, then what you're looking for is an app to do back translation on the fly. Either way, it amounts to the same. Personally, I'd prefer to just back translate it and get on with the business of reading it normally. That will also allow for easy searching of the text with standard find functions, and such. Louis works great for back translating. On Jul 3, 2009, at 4:06 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: > > Well, no, I just want to hit command O on a brf file that I download > from CNIB and read it. Does anything do that? > > I guess if I had to I would back translate them but that seems like a > wasted step. > > Best, > > erik burggraaf > A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. > Phone: 888-255-5194 > Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com > > On 3-Jul-09, at 6:58 PM, Greg Kearney wrote: > >> >> Do you want to back translate brf files to text? If so Louis will do >> that for you. >> >> Greg Kearney >> >> On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 1:37 AM, erik burggraaf> burggraaf.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi friends, I've just sifted a few pages of google results, but I >>> haven't been able to find a brf reader for Mac OS. Can some one >>> point >>> me to it please? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> erik burggraaf >>> A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. >>> Phone: 888-255-5194 >>> Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Gregory Kearney >> Manager Accessible Media >> Association for the Blind of Western Australia >> 61 Kitchener Ave. >> Victoria Park 6100 Western Australia >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: brf reader
With the advent of grade 2 translation in screen readers for English, the point of BRF files is basically non-existent. They only were ever there because, initially, screen readers didn't translate into grade 2, so BRF files were a convenient way to read books without the painful necessity of reading them in computer Braille, (AKA Grade 0). These days, BRF is convenient on some note taking devices, though hardlya necessity. It serves now, or so it seems to me, as a sort of quasi-DRM. They figure sighted users who might get hold of such files won't know how to read them, and therefore will not pirate them. If I was so fortunate to be able to afford a ridiculously overpriced Braille display, (LOL), I wouldn't bother with BRF at all. I think they are far more trouble than they are worth. I have always, and expect I always will, back translate BRF files to read them, regardless of them method. The only other use for BRF files, really, is if you plan on printing to a Braille hard copy. But really, who is going to do that? LOL. On Jul 4, 2009, at 7:11 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: > > OK ppl. Here's what I'm reading. > > If I want to grab a fantasy novel from CNIB library in BRF format and > read the thing, I first have to back translate it. But if Louis will > back translate the thing, won't it just open up nicely and allow me to > read without any palaver? And if you have to back translate to ge > access to a brf file, then what is the point of having brf files in > the first place? > > Maybe I should just stick to doing this on my phone, but I saw a > friend of mine using his braille display on his mac and it looked very > inspiring. Especially given that snowleppard will support bluetooth > conectivity for braille displays. > > Best, > > erik burggraaf > A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. > Phone: 888-255-5194 > Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com > > On 3-Jul-09, at 8:19 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: > >> >> >> Back translating is really the best way to go. I mean, if you're >> reading with a braille display, TextEdit or any other text editing >> program should do the trick for you. If you want the TTS to read it, >> then what you're looking for is an app to do back translation on the >> fly. Either way, it amounts to the same. Personally, I'd prefer to >> just back translate it and get on with the business of reading it >> normally. That will also allow for easy searching of the text with >> standard find functions, and such. >> >> Louis works great for back translating. >> >> On Jul 3, 2009, at 4:06 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: >> >>> >>> Well, no, I just want to hit command O on a brf file that I download >>> from CNIB and read it. Does anything do that? >>> >>> I guess if I had to I would back translate them but that seems >>> like a >>> wasted step. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> erik burggraaf >>> A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. >>> Phone: 888-255-5194 >>> Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com >>> >>> On 3-Jul-09, at 6:58 PM, Greg Kearney wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Do you want to back translate brf files to text? If so Louis will >>>> do >>>> that for you. >>>> >>>> Greg Kearney >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 1:37 AM, erik burggraaf>>> burggraaf.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi friends, I've just sifted a few pages of google results, but I >>>>> haven't been able to find a brf reader for Mac OS. Can some one >>>>> point >>>>> me to it please? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> erik burggraaf >>>>> A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. >>>>> Phone: 888-255-5194 >>>>> Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Gregory Kearney >>>> Manager Accessible Media >>>> Association for the Blind of Western Australia >>>> 61 Kitchener Ave. >>>> Victoria Park 6100 Western Australia >>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: brf reader
You're more or less right. The thing is, that text files can be read just as easily with a Braille display as with speech, because screen readers translate text into grade 2 on the fly these days, so the need for BRF is basically nullified. :) On Jul 4, 2009, at 10:15 AM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: > > Ah Eric, I think I see your point? > It looks as if the CNIB has what the NLS calls web braille. You just > want to grab the books that come in the web braille brf format and > read them in braille from your mac like people do when they put them > on something like a braille note? That's fair enough, some people > like reading braille over listening to spoken word. Pointless or not, > brf seems to be the file of choice by groups who provide electronic > access to their libries for braille content. There's nothing wrong > with wanting to read a book in braille via a braille display, note > taker or whatever. > Having said this though, I've gotta say I'm with Josh and find it > faster and just more enjoyable to have whatever it is read to me and > wish that the different programs who offer etexts to us would offer a > HTML or TXT version along with the BRF version. But then you run into > all that copyright stuff so I guess you deal with things as they are. > : smile : > > Am I kind of right? Or have I missed the mark altogether? > > Best regards > Jenny > > On 7/4/09, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: >> >> >> With the advent of grade 2 translation in screen readers for English, >> the point of BRF files is basically non-existent. They only were ever >> there because, initially, screen readers didn't translate into grade >> 2, so BRF files were a convenient way to read books without the >> painful necessity of reading them in computer Braille, (AKA Grade 0). >> >> These days, BRF is convenient on some note taking devices, though >> hardlya necessity. It serves now, or so it seems to me, as a sort of >> quasi-DRM. They figure sighted users who might get hold of such files >> won't know how to read them, and therefore will not pirate them. >> >> If I was so fortunate to be able to afford a ridiculously overpriced >> Braille display, (LOL), I wouldn't bother with BRF at all. I think >> they are far more trouble than they are worth. I have always, and >> expect I always will, back translate BRF files to read them, >> regardless of them method. >> >> The only other use for BRF files, really, is if you plan on printing >> to a Braille hard copy. But really, who is going to do that? LOL. >> >> On Jul 4, 2009, at 7:11 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: >> >>> >>> OK ppl. Here's what I'm reading. >>> >>> If I want to grab a fantasy novel from CNIB library in BRF format >>> and >>> read the thing, I first have to back translate it. But if Louis >>> will >>> back translate the thing, won't it just open up nicely and allow >>> me to >>> read without any palaver? And if you have to back translate to ge >>> access to a brf file, then what is the point of having brf files in >>> the first place? >>> >>> Maybe I should just stick to doing this on my phone, but I saw a >>> friend of mine using his braille display on his mac and it looked >>> very >>> inspiring. Especially given that snowleppard will support bluetooth >>> conectivity for braille displays. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> erik burggraaf >>> A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. >>> Phone: 888-255-5194 >>> Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com >>> >>> On 3-Jul-09, at 8:19 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Back translating is really the best way to go. I mean, if you're >>>> reading with a braille display, TextEdit or any other text editing >>>> program should do the trick for you. If you want the TTS to read >>>> it, >>>> then what you're looking for is an app to do back translation on >>>> the >>>> fly. Either way, it amounts to the same. Personally, I'd prefer to >>>> just back translate it and get on with the business of reading it >>>> normally. That will also allow for easy searching of the text with >>>> standard find functions, and such. >>>> >>>> Louis works great for back translating. >>>> >>>> On Jul 3, 2009, at 4:06 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Well, no, I j
Re: VO accessible FTP Client
I really don't recommend using the FTP terminal app unless you have experience working with command line apps. If you don't, it is likely to be a confusing and difficult process. Transmit from Panic.com is my FTP client of choice. It is not free, however. :) On Jul 4, 2009, at 11:46 AM, Barry wrote: > > Mike, > > You can just open terminal and type ftp. > > > > Mike wrote: >> Hi all: >> >> Anyone knwo of an accessible VO FTP client? >> Tried Cyber Duck, don't like it. >> As well, when I try connecting to the web site I'm working on, I >> receive the notification that I don't have permission to access the >> server. >> Any tips on that one? >> >> Thanks: >> >> Mike > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: VO accessible FTP Client
Transmit is not free. That is it's only real drawback. The FTP command line option in Terminal is included as part of the system, but will doubtless prove difficult for less advanced users. While I could use the FTP option in Terminal, I find it too clunky for m y own personal taste, so use Transmit. Having options is good. :) On Jul 4, 2009, at 4:38 PM, Chris Gilland wrote: > > Or why not use Transmit? > > Chris. > > - Original Message - > From: "Barry" > To: "MacVisionaries" > Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 2:46 PM > Subject: Re: VO accessible FTP Client > > >> >> Mike, >> >> You can just open terminal and type ftp. >> >> >> >> Mike wrote: >>> Hi all: >>> >>> Anyone knwo of an accessible VO FTP client? >>> Tried Cyber Duck, don't like it. >>> As well, when I try connecting to the web site I'm working on, I >>> receive the notification that I don't have permission to access the >>> server. >>> Any tips on that one? >>> >>> Thanks: >>> >>> Mike >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Re:
Yes, the gestures all work as described. It's a fantastic device. I recommend checking out the VIPhone list at the below URL for discussion on the iPhone by VoieOver users. http://googlegroups.com/group/viphone On Jul 4, 2009, at 8:45 PM, Bill Sprenger wrote: > > Eliza, Bill here. Sometime during the next two weeks am looking at, > and very probably purchasing an Iphone. Question: Do all of the > following gestures actually perform the prescribed actions? If so, > that is indeed very cool!!! :) > VoiceOver Gestures > > When VoiceOver is turned on, the standard touchscreen gestures have > different results. These and additional gestures allow you to move > around the screen and to control the individual elements when theyíre > selected. VoiceOver gestures include using two and three fingers to > tap or flick. For best results using two- and three-finger gestures, > relax and let your fingers touch the screen naturally. > > You can use many different techniques to enter VoiceOver gestures. For > example, you can enter a two-finger tap using two fingers from one > hand, or one finger from each hand. You can also use your thumbs. Try > different techniques to discover which works best for you. > > Following is a summary of some of the VoiceOver gestures. > Navigate and Read > > * > > Tap: Speak item. > * > > Flick right or left: Select next or previous item. > * > > Flick up or down: Depends on Rotor Control setting. See Rotor > Control. > * > > Two-finger tap: Stop speaking current item. > * > > Two-finger flick up: Read all from top of screen. > * > > Two-finger flick down: Read all from current position. > * > > Three-finger flick up or down: Scroll one page at a time. > * > > Three-finger flick right or left: Go to next or previous page > (such as Home screen, Stocks, Safari). > * > > Three-finger tap: Speak the scroll status (which page or rows > are visible). > > Select and Activate > > * > > Double-tap: Activate selected item. > * > > Touch an item with one finger, tap the screen with another > finger (ìsplit tappingî): Activate item. > * > > Double-tap and hold (1 second) + standard gesture: Use a > standard gesture. > > The double-tap and hold gesture tells iPhone to interpret the > subsequent gesture as a standard one. For example, you can double-tap > and hold, then without lifting your finger, drag your finger to slide > a switch. > * > > Two-finger double tap: Answer or end a call. Play or pause > (iPod, YouTube, Voice Memos, Photos). Take a picture (Camera). Start > or pause recording (Camera, Voice Memos). > * > > Three-finger double tap: Mute or unmute VoiceOver. > * > > Three-finger triple tap: Turn the screen curtain on or off. > > NOTE: Single-finger flicking gestures must be done quickly to > distinguish them from dragging gestures. > Take care, and please respond, anyone on the list. > > Ciao: Bill > > On Jul 4, 2009, at 4:02 PM, Eliza Cooper wrote: > >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
No one has the "right" to break the law. We will all know what to expect in Snow Leopard when all the information is made public. Being blind is also not an excuse for breaking the law. This is just a matter of breaking NDA contracts because of a few people's impatience. No one is making you upgrade to Snow Leopard before you know what's included. It doesn't even come out for nearly three more months. On Jul 7, 2009, at 11:15 AM, william lomas wrote: > > fair enough though we are all blind and have a right to know what will > be included in my view --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts and obsurvations.
The VoiceOver volume is separate from the phone's volume. It can be turned up very loud, but there is a trick to it. You need to turn up the volume while VO is speaking. Unless you are calling a lot of numbers that are not in your contacts, I've found that I rarely use the keypad, but that the keypad is quite easy to use. You can create a list of favorite numbers which acts as a sort of speed dial. Mail is not set up the way you describe, because there really isn't enough room on the screen. There is a screen for switching mailboxes, and once in a mailbox, you just ahve a list of messages. The touch screen does seem strange at first, but that's only because it is an input medium with which the blind are, by and large, totally unfamiliar with. It rapidly becomes second nature. I can't imagine going back to any of my previous phones. The iPhone is far faster and efficient than any other phone with third-party screen readers, and I can do far more with the iPhone than I have ever been able to with previous phones I've owned. HTH. On Jul 8, 2009, at 9:37 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote: > > I just got back from the Green Hills Apple Store in > Nashville Tn. > My intention was to go and look at the iPhone, and probably walk out > with one if I liked what I saw. However, due to the lengthy process of > making a purchase, the apple store stopped selling iPhones about an > hour and a half before they closed. I showed up 5 minutes after this > cutoff time, but was encouraged to look at the display model as long > as I liked until close. Upon enquiring about having a sales person > turn on Voiceover, they called on another rep who had more experience > with Vo. Turns out, he has some form of visual impairment, which > causes him to have to use the zoom feature. He knew right where vo > was, and turned it on for me. Now, the journey begins. > > My immediate observation was that of many other people. Vo is too > quiet, even with the volume cranked. In a store with a great deal of > background noise, I found vo somewhat hard to hear. Should have > followed my gut instinct and brought a headset along with me. > > My first 10 minutes with the phone was met with some uncertainty. I > was successfully able to explore the phone and open several apps. > However, I found the sensitivity of the touch screen a bit strange. > While dragging my finger along the icons, some would open at random. > At first, I found myself quite lost inside of the apps I was opening. > However, I soon found a consistent pattern to how these apps are laid > out. Once I realized this, I was better able to navigate around > several apps. I was soon successfully able to dial my own phone > number, making my cell phone ring in my pocket. Then, using my cell > phone, I was able to call the display model, answering and ending said > call. In the iPod app, I was able to choose a playlist and start it > playing. I was able to then pause, advance to next track, etc. I even > found myself able to locate the transport button I wanted without > thinking. I guess that's where muscle memory really starts to come > into play. I was not, however, able to bend my head around how to drag > a slider, such as the icon that allows you to advance through a song. > I think there was a tutor message, which would have given me those > instructions, but I accidentally interrupted it, and was unable to get > it to tell me again. > My cursory glance of mail yielded few results. I saw the messages, was > able to open one and sort of read it. However, I was not fully able to > bend my head around it's layout. I couldn't find the compose button, > and I didn't understand the relationships between the message and the > mailboxes. I would assume that the mailbox list would be on the left, > and the messages on the right. I thought that's how it would look, but > I'm not sure. > Safari was a bit interesting as well. I didn't spend but a few minutes > looking at it, and was a tad confused because I saw part of a web > page, along with bookmarks. I wanted to try and enter in a website to > not only look at something familiar, and have an excuse to type. I was > not able to find the button to enter a website, however, I did find > the Google button and began entering in info into the search box. I > tried to type some search terms, but kept making tons of errors. > However, I could understand the concept of typing, and could easily > see that more time taken to practicing would yield much better > results. > > > Final thoughts. > In short, I get it. Voiceover is implemented in such a way that there > are few concepts to understand. Once these concepts are understood and > applied to all apps, your only learning curve is figuring out where > things are on the screen in any given app, and just the general > operation of the phone itself, which is mostly built on logic. I feel > like a week of working with the phone would get me pretty m
Re: Iphone apps questions
There are apps for these and more listed at the below link. I personally recommend Fring, Tweetaro, and FaceBook for instant messaging, Twitter, and FAceBook respectively. http://www.lioncourt.com/voiceover-compatible-iphone-applications/ On Jul 10, 2009, at 11:22 AM, Jed Barton wrote: > > Hey guys, > > Anyone know some good apps that work with the iphone? > Specifically I am looking for an IM client, perhaps a twitter > client, and a > facebook client. > Any other suggestions? > > Thanks, > Jed > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Purchasing songs using ITune
Beneath the iTunes Store HTML area, you will find the Songs table. You can select the song you want to buy by interacting with the songs table and navigating to it. Then do VO-Shift-M and select the buy option. :) HTH. On Jul 12, 2009, at 9:13 AM, Kamal Haffar wrote: > > Hi all: > > I am able to use ITune on my Macbook to purchase albums from ITune. > What I haven't been able to figure out is how to use VO with ITune to > purchase individual songs. After I select the artist I see the list > of Albums available for purchase and download. How do you go about > selecting the individual songs and finding the "buy" button. Thanks, > > Kamal > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: alternitive email clients?
I've never felt a desire to seek out alternatives, as Apple Mail does everything I need it to. What features are you findingt hat you need that Mail does not provide? :) Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jul 6, 2009, at 12:17 AM, hank smith wrote: > hello there any alternitive email clients that work good with vo > if so what you recommend?? > Hank > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Groups mode in web browsing
Groups mode gives you a visual layout of the screen. Unlike DOM mode, it keeps items where they are meant to be. So the middle of the page is still the middle of the page. A sidebar is on the side. A navigation bar at the top will still be at the top. And so on. I much prefer Groups mode over DOM mode, because it typically allows faster browsing, once you understand how it works. As for grouping items, this is done based on how the page has been put together, and works very well, but it not fool-proof. Essentially, things are grouped logically together, if they were grouped together on the page. A paragraph, complete with all its inline links, for instance, would be a single group. Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jul 12, 2009, at 10:56 AM, James Mannion wrote: > > Hi, > I have a question that I admit I may be able to figure out with some > time and experimentation, but maybe some of you already know. What > type of logic, interms of where things are located on a page, does > groups mode use to organize the page? Meaning does it take some sort > of inconsistent approach where it might take stuff from the middle of > the page and put it first and stuff from the top and put it down > further and so on, which is what I think it does. When it groups > similar items though, does it take for certain into account that these > similar items are located together at least? Groups mode appears that > it may have some efficiency to it, but can one count on the context in > groups mode of things that need to be located together such as a form > element and its proper label that goes with it or might those things > be taken from inconsistent random places and placed together? When I > say placed together I am not necessarily saying that they are placed > in a group, but just when you are navigating they are together in > terms of vo-right arrow moving you along the order they are placed in. > > Jim > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: MS Office - any plans for Mac accessibility
There are lots of alternatives to MS Office on the Mac. iWork works reasonably well and getting better. OpenOffice is pretty good. There's a great spreadsheet program that tons of Mac users use called "Tables" which is compatible with Excel formats. There are definitely quite a few choices, and your needs and personal preferences will really dictate which you use. Fortunately, you can try most or all of these before choosing to buy, and some are, of course, free. It is also quite common that, if you absolutely must have MS Office, for users to install Windows and a Windows screen reader into a virtual machine on their Mac. This allows you to run Mac and Windows applications side-by-side, which can be quite handy. I have found, though, that over time I have found Mac solutions for all my needs. Still, there's nothing stopping you from getting VMware Fusion and using it to install Windows/Jaws and just use the Mac for most things. Microsoft seems to have little or no interest in adhering to Apple's accessibility guidelines. Whether this is a conscious decision or not is debatable, but in either case, they are even more lax about accessibility in their Mac products than in their Windows one. It's quite ridiculous. Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jul 12, 2009, at 11:30 AM, Russell Solowoniuk wrote: > > Hi all, > > I just joined this list. I currently am a Windows and Jaws user. > I'm in > the market for a new computer soon and am considering moving to the > Mac > world, but have a few reservations. I use Excel and Access in > Windows for > my job and need access to these types of apps. I was told that Open > Office > works with VO on the Mac, but are Open Office spreadsheets and > databases > compatible with MS Office in Windows? What I mean is, can I create a > database in Open Office and then take it to work and open it on my > Windows > machine in MS Access? There's no chance of my work switching to the > Mac any > time soon. > > As far as MS Office for the Mac, is there any chance that this may > be made > accessible in the future? > > Thanks, > > Russell > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: MS Office - any plans for Mac accessibility
Yes, iWork is an office suite which Apple is actively working on improving access in. It is quite good now, and has been improving. It includes word processing, spreadsheet, and presentation software. Certain aspects of it are a bit cumbersome, particularly with spreadsheets, but it does work reasonably well. As I stated previously, there are lots of options depending on what you need and your personal taste. Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jul 12, 2009, at 12:58 PM, Russell Solowoniuk wrote: > Hi Josh, > > Is iWork a suite of apps like MS Office? > > Thanks, > > Russell > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > ] On Behalf Of Josh de Lioncourt > Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 1:16 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: MS Office - any plans for Mac accessibility > > > There are lots of alternatives to MS Office on the Mac. iWork works > reasonably well and getting better. OpenOffice is pretty good. > There's a great spreadsheet program that tons of Mac users use > called "Tables" which is compatible with Excel formats. There are > definitely quite a few choices, and your needs and personal > preferences will really dictate which you use. Fortunately, you can > try most or all of these before choosing to buy, and some are, of > course, free. > > It is also quite common that, if you absolutely must have MS Office, > for users to install Windows and a Windows screen reader into a > virtual machine on their Mac. This allows you to run Mac and Windows > applications side-by-side, which can be quite handy. I have found, > though, that over time I have found Mac solutions for all my needs. > Still, there's nothing stopping you from getting VMware Fusion and > using it to install Windows/Jaws and just use the Mac for most things. > > Microsoft seems to have little or no interest in adhering to Apple's > accessibility guidelines. Whether this is a conscious decision or > not is debatable, but in either case, they are even more lax about > accessibility in their Mac products than in their Windows one. It's > quite ridiculous. > > > Josh de Lioncourt > …my other mail provider is an owl… > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt > Music: http://stage19music.com > Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com > Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com > GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt > > On Jul 12, 2009, at 11:30 AM, Russell Solowoniuk wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > I just joined this list. I currently am a Windows and Jaws user. > I'm in > the market for a new computer soon and am considering moving to the > Mac > world, but have a few reservations. I use Excel and Access in > Windows for > my job and need access to these types of apps. I was told that Open > Office > works with VO on the Mac, but are Open Office spreadsheets and > databases > compatible with MS Office in Windows? What I mean is, can I create a > database in Open Office and then take it to work and open it on my > Windows > machine in MS Access? There's no chance of my work switching to the > Mac any > time soon. > > As far as MS Office for the Mac, is there any chance that this may > be made > accessible in the future? > > Thanks, > > Russell > > > > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
What I'd like to ask all these folks saying the iPhone is so inefficient is: How efficient were you three weeks after the first time you ever touched a QWERTY keyboard? It's a whole new model for human interface interaction. After three weeks, I have no problems just touching the battery status, or really much of anything else. Things are not hard to find. They do not move around, and the flick method of navigation is great when you are having trouble with a brand- new and unfamiliar screen. Sitting with an iPhone for an hour and then declaring it slow, inefficient, and difficult to navigate is just silly. :) The ever growing number of VI iPhone users will tell you the same. Sure, it takes time to be comfortable. Once you are, it's fantastic. :) Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
Just want to address these comments. See my responses inline. On Jul 13, 2009, at 10:55 PM, william lomas wrote: > 1. i can multi task on a symbian phone i can not on the iphone > 2. the thought of having to keep closing application x to use > application y will be frustrating for symbian users, since i can > have the web and an sms window open at same time > These are one thought broken into two points, so I will address them as one. This is not a fair assessment, or even an accurate one. While the iPhone does not technically perform multi-tasking, it proides the same functionality. You can quickly switch between apps on the iPhone, and iPhone apps are designed to remember where they were when you left them. The upshot of this is, therefore, that you get the illusion of multi-tasking with all its benefits, without the performance hit. This argument is a flawed one, that is based on a misunderstanding of the iPhone and its operation. > 3. Using speech on a call on a symbian phone is in my view easier > since if one dials numbers for an automated system, it is easier I > think in my view, to type the number on a keypad, rather than having > to mess around finding it on a dial pad etc The buttons on the iPhone's keypad are large and do not move around. I do not search for them anymore. It's a different experience, and it takes a small amount of practice. However, it is no harder or easier, once you have learned to use it properly, than a physical keypad. Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
Simon, VoiceOver on the iPhone gives full access to the device. In fact, it gives far more access than any third-party mobile screen reader I've ever used. What give syou the impression that it does not? Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
Hi Scott, See my comments inline. :) On Jul 14, 2009, at 11:38 AM, Scott Bresnahan wrote: > I love the iPhone, but I have to disagree. I > think both points have some merit. The iPhone is > not for everyone.. > Nor will you ever hear me sayt that any one device is for everyone. :) > 1. Multitasking is a short coming. It's like > the Finder compared to the Multi-Finder in the > Mac Plus days. Some technologies, ssh and irc > come to mind, will not work well on the iPhone. > We use a custom irc server to do real time IT > troubleshooting across our applications, and I > cannot keep my irc session alive while I use > Safari. This is not the case on other phone > platforms and is a valid argument. You can't say > that remembering your preferences and place in an > application is the same as background processing. Apple has addressed this. This is not a problem with the iPHone, but rather with whatever app you are using for IRC. Push notifications, which developers can utilize to send notifications to the phone, can be used to solve your IRC issue. If your IRC client has not done this yet, it is not the iPhone's shortcoming, but rather the app's. While there are a very few situations when the combination of saving one's place and push notifications will not suffice, I can't readily think of one, and the vast, vast majority of problems can be rectified with these. Your IRC argument, in particular, is kind of like blaming the Mac because a third-party program for chatting doesn't play a sound when a new message comes in, for example. > > 2. Although you may have memorized the keypad, > it's not reasonable to assume everyone will or > can. Which has a faster learning curve? The > touch screen layout or the standard keypad? I > say this only because part of the usefulness of a > device lies not with the expert user, but with > the casual user. Personally, most of my numbers > are direct dials, so I don't have the memory for > the keypad due to lack of practice and everyday > use, but when I do need it, I struggle and yes, a > tactile keypad would be easier.. That said, I am > surviving. I don't hardly use the keypad at all, but as it is identical to a tactile keypad in layout, I don't think it is as difficult as you seem to think. HOwever, as I said previously, I'll never say that any device is perfect for everyone. All users have different abilities and limitations, so on that point we're in agreement. But I think the keypad thing is not as big a deal as many have said. > > Finally, one more con on the iPhone is the > battery. I can imagine several use cases where a > spare battery that's not an add on power pack > would be required for some users. The iPhone is > designed for a certain work flow. certain > patterns it is not good for. I understood these > before I bought it, but don't dismiss them as the > Almighty iPhone is God, cause it's not. While I don't doubt there are some people who own extra cell phone batteries, in all my life, of allt he people I have ever known, through all the various cell phone models all those people have ever owned, I have never met a single, solitary soul who had an extra battery, unless there previous one had died and they needed to replace it...and even then, they usually opted for a new phone. JMHO. :) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
Well, as others have pointed out, there is a very, very small number of uses for which the push notification is not appropriate. However, as I said before, they've solved the vast majority of issues this way. I don't think we exactly disagree, but I think that the number of users who will actually be impacted by the limitations is extremely small, and that even for a lot of those who will be impacted, the pros will outweigh the cons. What I'm try towork through are the misconceptions, like Will Lomas put forth, that you can't move back and forth between multiple apps and essentially multi-task, and that point has been lost in an argument about technicalities that will effect less than a single percent of users. LOL. Your battery issue is likewise the same. It will impact a very, very tiny number of users. That doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist, but seeing it harped on about and latched onto by the nay sayers as an excuse to downplay the iPhone's advantages is frustrating. I hope this makes sense. I have never said, and would never say, that any device is perfect for everyone. I think the iPhone is more than adequate, and is in fact ideal, for a huge numbe rof users, and that by arguing things like this multi-tasking situation, you're confusing folks like Will Lomas who would be just fine with an iPhone, but think they won't because of complaints about SSH and IRC. Hope that makes more sense. :) Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jul 14, 2009, at 7:43 PM, Scott Bresnahan wrote: > > Hi, Josh, > > Take a closer look at what is possible via push in the APIs and you > may be surprised at how limiting it is. Your argument about Apple > solving the problem by introducing push is more marketing hype than > fact. At the core, you can't keep sockets open in the background > which many RFC standards like irc, ssh, telnet etc depend. Apple's > answer is well, rewrite the standard. That's not an answer. you > cant' just rewrite every server platform out there to support Apple's > whim of of a lame push notification method. If you're starting from > scratch today, writing a new client and server platform, then sure, > you can work around it. But there are a lot of pre existing > technologies that won't work no matter how the app is coded simply > because the problem is not with the client but the server piece the > client is meant to communicate with. But again, this isn't a problem > for most people, but only for those who need to multitask, like > keeping multiple sessions open at a time. > > As for batteries, I agree that *most* people don't' have spare > batteries. However, just because you haven't met them doesn't mean > they don't exist. I had two spares back when I had an analog > StarTac, and I know a small fraction of people who still have spare > batteries for their phones today. Granted, these folks tend to like > Star Trek the original series vs tng, but I digress not to > mention I think they try to use their phones as laptops, but who am I > to argue their inefficiency. :) > . > > I can't believe I'm arguing the devils advocate on this. did I > mention I love my iPhone? But, it just doesn't do windows, so stop > pretending it does. lol > > > --Scott --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
Hey Cara and Scott, LOL Cara! Well, you are the first person I've known with multi- batteries, so I stand corrected on that. I still think it is far more an exception than a rule. LOL. Scott, yes, I like TOS way better than TNG. In fact, I'm a huge Trekkie, and TNG is my least liked of the various series. BUt going back on topic… I totally agree about providing accurate information. That being said, this whole line of discussion was prompted because Will specifically posted false information because he was repeated complaints he'd heard from quarters that were trying to down play the iPhone, or else was misunderstanding the very highly technical context of those complaints. I don't mean to down play your issues, but I truly do not believe this is a problem for the overwhelming majority, and that's my point. :) It really isn't about spin, but being thorough in the assessment. I guarantee you that few, if any, others, on this list outside of yourself are lamenting the inability to use SSH in the background. :) I would just hate to see someone who has no use for something like SSH, like Will, not try an iPhone because someone who did need it, split hairs on the multi-tasking capabilities of the phone. I think we do a disservice, sometimes, by trying to be so objective that we lose sight of what people really need or want. So it boils down to this. If you need open sockets, SSH, or similar functionality in the background, then the iPHone has some limitations. If you do not know what these words mean, or have no use for these services, it will not impact you, and you can assume that you will be able to multi-task just fine. :) Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jul 15, 2009, at 7:59 AM, Scott Bresnahan wrote: > > Hi, Josh, > > Phew, I think we agree too. [just don't say you > like Trek:OS better than TNG although your > earlier post about having an original > communicator wallpaper is alarming]. But > Yes your points make sense, but I'm seeing a > little misinformation on both the radical PC > right and radical MAc left. I'd hope my comments > are more moderate in nature. :) I just don't > think it does anyone any good if a realistic set > of pros and cons about the iPhone can't be laid > out without spin. > > I can't comment on the stats about who would miss > the ability to keep a socket open in the > background. I suspect, given the nature of IT > management, it may be higher number than you > think. I for one miss it, but yet, I still > decided I could live without it. Do I whish I > could, darn yes, but then my iPhone isn't my > laptop or desktop. Although it's amazingly close. > > My philosophy for discussing technology like this > is less on the tech stats, but rather asking the > lay question of "What problem are you trying to > solve?"" Then, showing how a given technology > can be made to solve it. Sometimes the answer is > yes that's easy, sometimes it's well, aren't you > really wanting to do this? and sometimes it's ah, > no, you can't do that easily because of xyz. > > Cheers, > Scott > > > . > > Well, as others have pointed out, > there is a very, very small number of uses for which the push > notification is not appropriate. However, as I said before, they've > solved the vast majority of issues > this way. I don't think we exactly disagree, but > I think that the number of users who will > actually be impacted by the limitations is > extremely small, and that even for a lot of those > who will be impacted, the pros will outweigh the > cons. What I'm try towork through are the > misconceptions, like Will Lomas put forth, that > you can't move back and forth between multiple > apps and essentially multi-task, and that point > has been lost in an argument about technicalities > that will effect less than a single percent of > users. LOL. Your battery issue is likewise the > same. It will impact a very, very tiny number of > users. That doesn't mean the problem doesn't > exist, but seeing it harped on about and latched > onto by the nay sayers as an excuse to downplay > the iPhone's advantages is frustrating. > > I hope this makes sense. I have never said, and > would never say, that any device is perfect for > everyone. I think the iPhone is more than > adequate, and is in fact ideal, for a huge numbe > rof users, and that by arguing things like this > multi-tasking
Re: (new) iphone accessibility?
The iPhone is an extremely efficient, productive, and pleasant phone to use. There is nothing inherently inaccessible about touch screens, per se. That's just a common misconception, as Apple has now proven. The blind, despite what some may say, are perfectly capable of using touch screen technology if given the right tools. Twenty years ago, many said the blind couldn't use GUI efficiently either. But, of course, we do quite nicely today. Touch screens were out of reach before the iPhone, by and large. Apple has created a whole new paradigm that is just remarkable. Definitely join the VIPhone list, and check out the iPhone related resources at http://www.lioncourt.com including a review of the iPhone 3GS with VoiceOver. :) Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jul 16, 2009, at 4:59 PM, a radix wrote: > Hello, very interesting thanks! I will join the viphone group sinc > eI dont want to clutter this with stuff that is covered somewhere > else. But, even if the vo says something when you are on a cetain > spot of the touchscreen (menu bar for example) isnt it difficult to > GET there? I mean I do not think there are any tactile orientation > facilities so you still have to find the actual right spot on the > touchscreen to access the buttons or whatever. > Greetings, Anouk, > - Original Message - > From: Alex Jurgensen > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 1:48 AM > Subject: Re: (new) iphone accessibility? > > Hi, > > VoiceOver uses the Touchscreen with an impresive new blindness > technolgoy. You can read about it more at the Google group VIPhone, > which is for this phone and is for the blind and run by the same > people as this group. > > http://groups.google.com/group/VIPhone/ > > viphone-subscr...@googlegroups.com > > The phone uses touch screen gestures as well as the touch screen's > ability to use a finger to float over buttons and have them read. I > really enjoy the phone. Every time I use one I am amazed at the ease > of use. > > Regards, > Alex, > > > On 16-Jul-09, at 4:36 PM, a radix wrote: > >> Hello again, I just joined and am now browsing the group archives >> so to speak and I came across a lot of mention too the iphone which >> surprised me. I know the new model has built-in voicover but it >> still uses a touchscreen (not even just a scrollwheel with some >> buttons, I know that that can work from my 5.5g imod and rockbox >> experience but a full touch screen) so I was rather sceptical. I >> know there is some kind of voice recognition software inside but >> how far will that get you and how good isit? I once heard it on an >> old nokia and was NOT impressed. >> >> I am very interested in this iphone sinc eI can get a new phone in >> october, havebeen using the nokia 5`19 classic with talks. Talks >> does not support too many applications though. >> >> My brother will probbably get this phone in a few months too (he is >> sighted though) and sinc eI am an audiophile it is good to know >> that according to a few of my head-fi acquaintances the sound >> quality is very good too. >> >> Thanks in advance for any information, >> >> Greetings, Anouk, >> >> >> >> > > > > > > Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. > Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com > Versie: 8.5.387 / Virusdatabase: 270.13.16/2241 - datum van > uitgifte: 07/16/09 05:58:00 > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Apple plans to blick rival smart phones
I don't want this to go too wildly off topic for this list, as it has nothing to do with accessibility, but I do think it is an interesting and somewhat important topic. I'll just note that what the article fails to consider is that, by allowing third-party devices to continue to sync via iTunes, Apple is opening itself up to a whole host of tech support query issues. Users will request help for syncing non- supported devices, in many cases lying about what device they are using to get tech support, and cost APple valuable time and resources on wild goose chases. Regardless of how anyone feels about other aspects, the decision is an understandable and logical one. I do understand the arguments against it as well, but the picture is not as black as Palm wants to portray it. Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jul 17, 2009, at 2:03 PM, James & Nash wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > From the BBC website: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8155795.stm > > Take care > > james > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: does reading on the mac take two hands?
VoiceOver supports assigning Braille display keys to Voiceover commands. Also, you do not need to hands to necessarily perform VoiceOver functions, as there is a Control-Option lock which causes the system to interpret all commands as if they are VO ones. HTH. Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jul 17, 2009, at 11:13 AM, a radix wrote: > Hello, Thanks a lot for all the information, Esther. Are there any > new macbook laptops with a numeric keypad? I have actually never > used a laptop that has one, but from your post I gathe ryou can also > use numeric commander to put shortcuts on other keys then the > numeric keys if they are not available? I think a laptop with a > numeric keypad would be nice though, and I am still hoping and > thinking I could put shortcuts on my braille display as well. > Thanks again, > Greetings, Anouk, > - Original Message - > From: Esther > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 4:02 PM > Subject: Re: does reading on the mac take two hands? > > Hi Anouk, > > Although you use the VoiceOver keys (Control and Option) for > navigation, you can lock these keys on with VO-semi-colon (Control- > Option-Semi-colon). Then any commands you issue assume that the > VoiceOver keys (Control and Option) are engaged until your press > semi-colon again. Many people lock their VoiceOver keys while > reading long pages. > > Another alternative is to use NumPad Commander (with Leopard). This > is a functionality that uses the numeric keypad to pre-program > shortcuts for the most common VoiceOver commands. You need to use > either a full keyboard, an older Mac laptop with embedded numeric > keypad, or a current Mac laptop with either attached numeric keypad > or keyboard with numeric keypad in order to use NumPad Commander. > Or, as I've just posted, you may be able to use the free NumberKey > app on an iPhone to use your iPhone as a numeric keypad that works > with NumPad Commander shortcuts. You can customize NumPad Commander > with your own shortcut definitions as well as using their standard > set. > > Hope this helps. > > Cheers, > > Esther > On Jul 17, 2009, at 03:44, william lomas wrote: > >> you have to use control option and arrow keys, to navigate around >> >> On 17 Jul 2009, at 14:31, a radix wrote: >> >>> Hello everyone, ok this may sem elike a strange question but I >>> read that, if you want to navigate through a window to review it, >>> or a document for example you need to use the voice key (which is >>> either command or control if i got that right)+ arrow down or up, >>> but would tha tnot require both hand and is there a way to do it >>> single handedly. I use braille all the time and this would make it >>> a lot slower for me to read stuff, or will maybe the arrow keys on >>> my braille display be able to simulate this, i Wonder. >>> Greetings, Anouk, >>> >>> >>> >> > > > > > > Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. > Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com > Versie: 8.5.387 / Virusdatabase: 270.13.18/2243 - datum van > uitgifte: 07/17/09 06:08:00 > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: searching for specefic text on a webpage
VoiceOver has a function called "Item Chooser" which is available anywhere, not just on the web. When you press it, it brings up a sort of menu of everything being displayed in the window. If you type a few letters in, the menu shrinks to only include items which contain the letters you typed. It is actually much nicer than a traditional find command, as you are describing, and a whole lot more powerful. :) HTH. Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jul 17, 2009, at 4:30 PM, a radix wrote: > Hi everyone, Currently on windows I use hal 7.0 and webformator for > surfing the web. Webformator displays the webpage in a sort of text- > file which allows you to just browse it, i mean go through it all > with arrow up/down and tab to go to link/link. You can use (and that > is the one great feature I love about webformator) control-f to > search for specefic text in a webpage. Since it is a text file (sort > off, you can stiull click on links) it does not restrict you to link > but will also instantly point you to a word in the actual body of > the webpage, i often visit forums etc that I know quite well and > find this feature very useful because it means I can navigate them > quickly and efficiently. Also since, once again its a text file I > can search for for example combobox in the control-f dialog and it > will bring me to the first of these. I wonder if anything like this > exists in safari-voiceover? I am actually hoping that transition > will be easier for me becaus eI hav emostly been using a kin dof > dumb screenreader, just using the windows commands and not many > screenreader ocmmands at all so I am hoping I will be able to adapt > quickly. > Greetings, Anouk, > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Probably a simple question.
To make this more clear… Item Chooser only searches the viewable area outside of Safari. It works with the entire web page contents within Safari. That's the difference. :) Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jul 17, 2009, at 4:54 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > > This only searches in the viewable area on-screen, so if a webpage > spans across multiple pages it may not work. > > Regards, > Alex, > > > On 16-Jul-09, at 8:40 PM, Mark Baxter wrote: > >> >> As a corollary: I've tried to use the items chooser menu when not in >> Safari, say for finding my place in an E-mail. It doesn't seem to >> work; does items chooser only work in Safari on a web page? >> >> >> Mark BurningHawk --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
I'm also a totally blind iPhone user. It works great, and is far more accessible and efficient than MobileSpeak with Windows Mobile, which I used previously. I recommend joining the VIPhone list at the below link if you want a really good idea of how access is for the totally blind. There are a lot of us using it. Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jul 18, 2009, at 4:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > > Hi folks, > > Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are > totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. > > The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a > totally blind > person. > > I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility > against > my Nokia s60 device. > And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't > say I'm > fixed on it yet. > And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with > it. > > Cheers > > Simonf. > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
And go me! I forgot to include the link to the VIPhone list. Brilliant, I am. Here it is. http://googlegroups.com/group/viphone Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jul 18, 2009, at 4:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > > Hi folks, > > Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are > totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. > > The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a > totally blind > person. > > I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility > against > my Nokia s60 device. > And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't > say I'm > fixed on it yet. > And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with > it. > > Cheers > > Simonf. > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
Typing takes some getting used to on the iPHone, but it works very well once you get comfortable with it. I'm texting, Twittering, emailing, and all the rest just fine. My most used apps, as far as those which come with the phone, are, in no particular order: Text Messaging Calendar Email Contacts Phone Safari AppStore Clock Of course, I'm using dozens that don't come with the phone, which I obtained from the AppStore. :) Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jul 18, 2009, at 6:25 AM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: > > Hello Simon had a good question. Now, I would like to add to it. > Would the totally blind iphone users also tell us which of the > features they are using. I'm especially wanting to hear about emails > or any feature where you have to type. My brother tells me the two > finger system that it uses makes it very easy to enter text, numbers, > email addresses, etc. Looking forward to your comments. Thanks, Max > On Jul 18, 2009, at 6:21 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: > >> >> I'm totally blind and using my iphone happily. >> :) >> >> On Jul 18, 2009, at 12:10 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi folks, >>> >>> Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are >>> totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. >>> >>> The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a >>> totally blind >>> person. >>> >>> I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility >>> against >>> my Nokia s60 device. >>> And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't >>> say I'm >>> fixed on it yet. >>> And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with >>> it. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Simonf. >>> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
Hi Will, On Jul 19, 2009, at 1:39 AM, william lomas wrote: > i think that most people are jumping to the iphone as it new but the n > eighty two does everything that does The iPhone has over 60,000 applications available for it, and I can guarantee you the N82 does not, and what apps it does have probably aren't accessible most of the time. Users needs will vary, but to say that the N82 does what the iPHone does is just simply untrue, just like your complaints about moving between apps was untrue in the context that you presented it. I'm guessing that you're repeating what you've heard from folks like Mr. Mosan, and as I have suggested to him, I suggest you try to educate yourself and avoid inadvertently perpetuating false info. :) Is the iPhone right for everyone? Nope. Neither is the N82 right for everyone. I only wish folks would actually try to know what they are talking about before making blanket statements. The NFB/AFB, and others, have been perpetuating false info about the Mac platform, and I'd hate to see the Mac community start doing it about the iPhone or anything else. :) Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
On Jul 19, 2009, at 12:33 PM, Tasha Raella Chemel wrote: >Just curious -- have people tried using the option that allows > you to > use a wider keyboard? i'm assuming that this would be easier since the > virtual keys would be bigger. Early on, the wider landscape keyboard was what I found to be easier. As you become comfortable with the touch screen, you'll find that the additional size actually slows you down, as you have more realestate to cover to get from key to key. The smaller portrait keyboard is what I've managed to become very proficient on, ultimately. Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: auto text on i phone
In the Settings app on the iPhone, choose General, Accessibility, and you can turn off the speaking of auto text. I've done this, as you can review the choices for auto texts without having them spoken automatically, which become tedious after a while. Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jul 19, 2009, at 8:21 AM, william lomas wrote: > > hi all, can the auto text on an i phone when typing > text be > disabled? > asking on behalf of a friend who has the IPhone 3gS > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Is it possible to do Audio Editing on Mac OS X with VO?
yes, it's possible. The program of choice seems to be Amadeus Pro, though there are other options, depending on your needs. I'm only just starting out with Amadeus, so can't offer too much there, but having used Sound Forge for years, Amadeus is very different and takes some getting used to. That being said, there are some concepts in Amadeus that I like better, and also some from Sound Forge that I miss. My opinion may change as I become more familiar with Amadeus, however. Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jul 20, 2009, at 9:11 AM, James & Nash wrote: > > Hi folks, > > Is it possible to do audio editing on the Mac using Voice Over? Is > it as > good as the results you'd get on the Windows side with say Sound > Forge? > > Thanks > > Take good care > > James > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Is it possible to do Audio Editing on Mac OS X with VO?
Yes, Amadeus Pro is a multi-track editor. :) As I said, I'm still learning how to use it. Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jul 20, 2009, at 9:36 AM, Jed Barton wrote: > Hey Josh, is this a true multitrack editer, or just 2 tracks? > Can you voerlap stuff? > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > ] On Behalf Of Josh de Lioncourt > Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 12:23 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Is it possible to do Audio Editing on Mac OS X with VO? > > > yes, it's possible. The program of choice seems to be Amadeus Pro, > though there are other options, depending on your needs. I'm only > just starting out with Amadeus, so can't offer too much there, but > having used Sound Forge for years, Amadeus is very different and > takes some getting used to. That being said, there are some concepts > in Amadeus that I like better, and also some from Sound Forge that I > miss. My opinion may change as I become more familiar with Amadeus, > however. > > > Josh de Lioncourt > …my other mail provider is an owl… > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt > Music: http://stage19music.com > Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com > Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com > GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt > > On Jul 20, 2009, at 9:11 AM, James & Nash wrote: > >> >> Hi folks, >> >> Is it possible to do audio editing on the Mac using Voice Over? Is >> it as >> good as the results you'd get on the Windows side with say Sound >> Forge? >> >> Thanks >> >> Take good care >> >> James >> >> >> >> > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Mac-cessibility Round Table Podcast #4 - Badum Ching! has been posted
In episode #4 of the Mac-cessibility Round Table Podcast, knights Darcy Burnard, Holly Anderson, Cara Quinn, and Josh de Lioncourt discuss our impressions of the iPhone 3GS after a few weeks, how VoiceOver for the iPhone has been accepted by the visually impaired community, third-party applications for the iPhone, what Apple has revealed about gestures in Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard, Safari 4.0.2, the National Federation for the Blind’s reaction to criticism of their VoiceOver review, and more. You can find the podcast in the iTunes Store, or visit http://www.lioncourt.com Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Still no luck with unziping bookshare files
Actually, I recommend the UNarchiver. It is listed on BookShare's site in the Tools section, but here's the direct link: http://wakaba.c3.cx/s/apps/unarchiver.html Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jul 20, 2009, at 12:14 PM, matthew T dyer wrote: > > > On Jul 19, 2009, at 8:32 PM, Greg Kearney wrote: > >> >> You need to get a copy of Stuffit Expander it is free and will ask >> for >> the password. >> Where do I find this file at? > > Matthew > > >> >> Gregory Kearney >> Manager - Accessible Media >> Association for the Blind of Western Australia >> 61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101 >> Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia >> >> Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202 >> Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America) >> Fax: +61 (08) 9361 8696 >> Toll free: 1800 658 388 (Australia only) >> Email: gkear...@gmail.com >> >> On Jul 19, 2009, at 1:10 AM, matthew T dyer wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi all. I went into the prefrences and made a changes as whare to >>> the >>> files and still no luck will keep playing around with it but if >>> there >>> are any ideas on how to get around this thanks. I know that in >>> windows if unziping something and it is password protected it would >>> ask you for the password. >>> >>> Matthew >>> >>> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
It's quite possible to use the iPHone one handed. I do this frequently while walking around. It's, of course, easier to use two hands when you can, but that's true with any mobile phone. Anyway, there's no problem using the iPhone one handed, and it isn't all that much different from using any other phone that way. :) Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jul 21, 2009, at 2:03 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > Using it on the go I mean, while I’m walking around. > > With the n82 and other nokia phones I can do this, either on a call > or typing / reading email or text messages, I can do this with one > hand, which I don’t think I could dowith the IPhone. > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > ] On Behalf Of patrickneazer > Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2009 6:34 a.m. > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility > > Hello Simon and all: > > I want to ask you what you mean by using it on the go. I am asking > because unless there is something I am missing ... and there may > be ... the iphone is quite usable. That does not mean you have to > use it ... it just means that your usability concerns may be > misplaced. > On Jul 20, 2009, at 5:13 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > > > Thanks yes I understand all your pro’s and cons. > > Yeah I’ve got msp from a windows mobile device that I gave up > around a year ago. And now use talks on my n82. > It’s a number of different things that I’m hesitating over, such > as size and useability while on the go that are some of the things > that are important. > The n82 I can use on the go the IPhone I’m guessing I wont be > able to. > > But still a few other thigns to think about before the buy or not! > > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > ] On Behalf Of patrickneazer > Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 10:34 p.m. > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility > > Hello Simon and all: > > One question you might want to consider is the issue of > expandability. I am a user of a nokia 6650 with Mobile Speak and I > love it. However, the number of applications that will work with it > is not as robust as the Iphone. Second, while both my Mobile Speak > and voiceover upgrades are free, the method of upgrading is quite > different. I do not know about talks because I have never used it. > However, if it is anything like Mobile Speak I cannot upgrade it > independently. The only reason I make a point of this is the ability > of being able to keep up with the latest updates to a system rather > than being one step behind. Furthermore, does it make sense to have > to pay a transfer cost if you either lose your phone or decide you > want or need a new one. In the case of Mobile Speak, if you change > phones for whatever reason there is a transfer cost. I do not know > how it works with Talks. If I want another Iphone I just get another > Iphone without incurring any additional costs for things beyond my > control which may have resulted in the phone's loss or just for the > freedom of wanting something different. > > There are a few more reasons I can mention though I will point out > only one more ... with this arrangement of the Iphone and AT&T, the > entire customer service flow is for the first time under one roof. > If I have a problem with the Iphone I am able to take it to AT&T and > they can be of assistance without necessarily farming it out to > someone else and if they do farm it out to someone else ... that > would be Apple and they would know that I am on the way (smile). > With Mobile Speak it could be a mobile speak issue which I would > have to go to Code Factory, it could be a phone problem where Nokia > would have to be called in, it could be a billing problem where the > Phone company would have to be tapped and, if I had a problem with > the actual purchase of Mobile Speak and I did not purchase it from > Code Factory I then would have to deal with AT&T's office of > national disability concerns which is a completely separate > operation from AT&T. I like the one umbrella that the Iphone has the > potential to provide. I have both and love both and see the > advantages to each. > > Just my two cents contributed to the discussion. No matter what your > final conclusion, it will be a good one. > > Take good care. > On
Re: Web items
It's a bug in Safari 4, that was recently introduced, I believe. If you pres VO-L, it should read the name of the tag for you. It's reading the MouseOver text, instead of the main text. Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Aug 2, 2009, at 3:35 PM, Kane wrote: > > Hi everyone! > > I've been using Macintosh for a little while now, and I love my Mac to > bits. I only have one weird thing to mention, however. > > After logging onto Wordpress just fine after locating the login link, > I proceed to want to write a new post. I usually add tags to my posts > so they are easier to locate, should the reader only have one > particulare topic of interest. I click on a link that says Most used > tags or something to that effect. It does display the tags, but it > does it in a strange way that I have never seen. > Instead of telling me the name of the tag, VoiceOver reports how many > topics contain the tag. I found this a bit confusing, so I decided to > write the tag manually just this time. > > If anyone uses Wordpress and uses this method, any idea why it does > this? I wasn't even aware it actually displayed it. > > THanks. > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: new 10.5.8
Not everyone will necessarily upgrade, upgrade immediately, or has an Intel machine. Leopard will continue to be the OS for everyone running a Power PC Mac. There are lots of reasons to continue to support Leopard, especially when it comes to these sorts of stability, security, and compatibility releases like 10.5.8. Apple still releases security patches for Tiger from time to time, including one today. Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Aug 5, 2009, at 2:29 PM, william lomas wrote: > > hi I hear mac os 10.5.8 is out > why bother when SL is so close to release? > :) > Not sure if anything new for us in it i will just wait for SL now I > thik > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Introducing the Mac-cessibility network for Visually Impaired Mac and iPhone Users
We are pleased to announce the launch of the Mac-cessibility Network, a new site devoted to the accessibility of Apple products and the people who use them. In the two years since the launch of Lioncourt.com, the site has grown beyond its initial aspirations and design. It was time for a major overhaul. This redesign comes with many new features, as well as the ability to more comfortably expand as the site grows. The main site for Mac-cessibility is now Maccessibility.net, home of the Mac-cessibility Network. Lioncourt.com will go on as strictly the news outlet for Mac-cessibility, offering "news, podcasts, editorials, and reviews, just like always. The following is a list of notes and features of particular interest on the Mac-cessibility Network. Additional sections and content is already underway, and this is not an exhaustive list. We encourage visitors to explore the site and send us feedback. Near the top of all pages, a customized Google search form allows users to search through the entire Mac-cessibility family of sites, a variety of third-party sites which offer Apple accessibility information, as well as a small number of the top Apple news resources. The Mac-cessibility home page includes the latest Mac-cessibility news stories and Apple press releases. The Mac-cessibility home page includes links to the most recent discussion threads from the MacVisionaries and VIPhonecommunities. Simply click a thread topic to view the discussion, even if you're not a member. We've created a new iPhone section, which includes a revampedAccessible Apps page and FAQ. We've updated and revamped our Resources section, which offers links to other sites and services. We've updated and revamped our Guides section to make perusal and discovery much easier. All sections now include more user friendly URL's. ...and more is on the way! We are humbled and honored by the support the community has given the Mac-cessibility project, and we hope that you will find the new site and forthcoming services to be a vast improvement. If you find the Mac- cessibility Network a valuable resource, please consider making a contribution. Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iPhone: Utube Question
I can't check this at the moment, but virtually every application puts a back button in the upper left corner of the screen, usually labeled with the name of the previous screen. If I am remembering correctly, the YouTube app should do this as well. HTH. On Aug 18, 2009, at 3:44 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote: > > Hi, > > This may be an RTFM but I have read the iPhone manual and have just > reread the Utube section and couldn't find a suitable answer to my > question. My caffeine milligrams per hour ratio is dangerously low so > I may have entirely overlooked something. > > When I open the Utube app from the home screen, I am presented with a > bunch of buttons. I like to choose the "Today" as I do this almost > every morning so I'm looking for new stuff. > > Once I select a video to listen to and play it, I cannot figure out > how to get back to the Utube start up screen and the list of today's > new entries. > > Please help. > > Happy Hacking, > cdh > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
New Guide posted to Maccessibility.net - The Insertion Point and VoiceOver
We’ve just added a new entry to our collection of guides for blind and visually impaired Mac users. In "TheInsertion Point and VoiceOver", we provide an explanation and example for new VoiceOver users coming from Windows on the difference between the way in which Windows screen readers and VoiceOver handle the concept of the insertion point. New iPhone users who have not previously had experience with the Mac platform may also find this guide helpful. An iPhone specific version is planned for the future. http://maccessibility.net/guides/voiceover/insertion-point/ Enjoy! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Braile labels and the disk drive
This would definitely be a bad idea. Personally, I have never, and would never, put Braille labels on CD's/ DVD's. I didn't realize anyone did this. There is so much potential for problems by doing this that it seems too risky to me. :) I either put labels on the cases that the discs are in, or else get paper sleeves and either brailled on the flap of the paper sleeve, or attach a label o the sleeve. Those are your best bets, IMO. On Aug 22, 2009, at 12:41 PM, rayna424 wrote: > > Hi all, > > Does anyone label discs with a braille labeler? I'm wondering if the > lible impedes the disk in the disk drive, since its so slim. Any > experience? > > Thanks, > Randi > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
