Justin,
I even mention outSpoken in my message you are replying too, so I have
no clue what you're getting at. :) *Most* are coming from Windows,
because for 5 years or so, there was no screen reader for OS X. I
think that's a very fair statement. :)
Josh de Lioncourt
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On Jun 6, 2009, at 9:54 AM, Justin Harford wrote:
> Have you forgotten about outspoken?
> On Jun 6, 2009, at 8:39 AM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote:
>
>>
>> I don't think this is necessarily true. Most VoiceOver Mac users
>> these days came from Windows, because for several years there was
>> no screen reader for Mac OS X.
>>
>> I used Mac with outSpoken in the 90's, but had been a Windows user
>> for a decade when I made the leap to OS X. I dislike DOM mode and
>> find that Groups mode does a much better job of serving up web
>> content.
>>
>> It's really a matter of personal preference. If you want to have as
>> close of an experience of surfing the web as a sighted user gets,
>> Groups mode is for you. If you want a linear, more command-line or
>> DOS-like approach, use DOM.
>>
>> Josh de Lioncourt
>> …my other mail provider is an owl…
>>
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt
>> Music: http://stage19music.com
>> Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com
>> Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com
>> GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt
>>
>> On Jun 5, 2009, at 1:37 AM, Ignasi Cambra wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I think most people who come from Windows screen readers, including
>>> myself, use DOM navigation because it's basically the same one that
>>> you would use with JFW or Window Eyes. I do like Group navigation,
>>> except sometimes it just didn't work for me on certain websites so I
>>> definitely switched to DOM.
>>>
>>> Ignasi
>>> On Jun 5, 2009, at 4:24 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have always thought that group mode is the way to go, at least
>>>> that's what i was taught when first beginning to use VO.
>>>> Therefore i'm
>>>> extremely reluctant to leave group mode, because it's much faster
>>>> as
>>>> someone here said and in Dom mode you have to sift through all the
>>>> links and stuff to get where you want to go. Now i'm confused as to
>>>> what to actually use. and the way my brain works is that it needs
>>>> to
>>>> know what to use, even though it's a personal preference for most
>>>> users. So what's the general thought nowadays, is it Dom mode or
>>>> Group
>>>> and why one above the other?
>>>> /Krister
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 5 jun 2009 kl. 10.10 skrev Esther:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Michael,
>>>>>
>>>>> You can set either DOM or Group navigation under the Web
>>>>> specifications in VoiceOver Utility. Use VO-F8 to bring up the
>>>>> VoiceOver Utility menu, press "w" to go to "Web" in the sidebar,
>>>>> then
>>>>> tab to the web setup options and select the radio button for
>>>>> either
>>>>> DOM or group navigation for "When navigating web content use:".
>>>>> Command-W to close the window.
>>>>>
>>>>> As a further comment, a number of people have remarked that on web
>>>>> pages you're familiar with, group navigation works faster. I use
>>>>> group
>>>>> navigation for searching the archives, for example.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Esther
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 4, 2009, at 21:56 , Michael Busboom wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can somebody tell me how to switch between DOM and Group Modes?
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Justin
>>>>>> Harford
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, 05 June, 2009 04:26
>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Dynamic html and Safari in group mode
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Groups mode is a mode which has fallen into disfavor lately
>>>>>> because
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> what has been mentioned. This bug of ignoring dynamically
>>>>>> changing
>>>>>> HTML has been a problem since the days of tiger. It's not just a
>>>>>> matter that DOM mode gives you more information end-of-story.
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> reason for that is a bug probably in apple's webkit which needs
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> fixed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Justin Harford
>>>>>> On Jun 4, 2009, at 4:19 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> first off, dom mode will generally give you more information,
>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>> the setting I would advise you to use. Second, if you can get
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> mouse on the right spot, you could then turn off cursor tracking
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> see if you could read the menus.
>>>>>>> On Jun 4, 2009, at 7:22 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey good people out there in cyberland.
>>>>>>>> I was trying to work with a web site which caused me problems,
>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>> it has links that, when pointing to them with your mouse, rolls
>>>>>>>> down
>>>>>>>> other links in a menu that you should click on to get where you
>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>> to go.
>>>>>>>> It appears that in Safari 4 Beta, you can not see this menu of
>>>>>>>> links
>>>>>>>> when in group mode, at least not in a way that i know about.
>>>>>>>> How
>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>> you knowledgable people out there tackle this?
>>>>>>>> Thankful for any suggestions.
>>>>>>>> /Krister
>>>>>>>>
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