Re: Body Cams

[Eric Oyen]

I would also like to find one. I have my reasons (mostly dealing with 
neighborhood issues and the like). It would be nice to experiment with it and 
see (bad joke for me) how they work.

-Eric.


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Re: Five tips to speed up your Mac - CNET

[Eric Oyen]

Very true.

Every time I try to open the Cnet website on safari, the browser goes into 
total lockdown and I am forced to use the force kill system application in 
order to break the lockout. It seems that some (or all) of the ads on that site 
cause resource issues inside the the browser. Btw, this isn’t nearly as much of 
an issue inside google chrome.

-Eric


> On May 23, 2020, at 3:37 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
> 
> I have another suggestion for performance improvements on MAC. Don't open 
> C'net articles in Safari unless you have an ad blocker. 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 23, 2020, at 5:33 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> The article makes good points.
>> I have never heard of App Zapper, but I have heard of other apps like Clean 
>> My Mac that do a lot of the same things.
>> Adding RAM and a new SSD is not as easy as the article makes it sound, 
>> especially for someone who is blind or vision impaired.
>> Adding more RAM will not affect your Mac’s ability to upgrade its version of 
>> macOS beyond a certain version.  This is dependent on other hardware 
>> considerations.
>> 
>> HTH
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On May 23, 2020, at 12:31, Traci Duncan > > wrote:
>> 
>> What are folk’s thoughts on this article? Has anyone used that AppZapper 
>> they recommend?
>> 
>> Would you add additional tips?
>> 
>> Lastly, if ram is upgraded in an older Mac, will it suddenly accept the 
>> latest OS?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Traci
>> 
>>> 
>>> https://www.cnet.com/how-to/five-tips-to-speed-up-your-mac/ 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Five tips to speed up your Mac
>>> 
>>> Boost your Mac's performance and reclaim hard-drive space with this handful 
>>> of tips.
>>> 
>>> Feb. 7, 2017 6:00 a.m. PT
>>> Watch this: Upgrade your MacBook with an SSD
>>> 
>>> 4:29
>>> 
>>> The only place I like seeing a beach ball is at a beach or in a stadium 
>>> during a baseball game or concert. The one place I least like to see a 
>>> beach ball is on my aging MacBook Pro, where the spinning beach ball has 
>>> become an altogether too familiar a sight. If your Mac has become 
>>> frustratingly slow, there are a number of ways you can speed it up again.
>>> 
>>> Before you engage in any maintenance, I would urge you to take caution and 
>>> back up your data. For Macs, it's easy: grab an external drive and run Time 
>>> Machine 
>>> . With 
>>> your Mac's drive freshly backed up, you may proceed.
>>> 
>>> 1. Replace your Mac hard drive with an SSD
>>> 
>>> Moving from a traditional spinning hard drive to a solid-state drive (SSD) 
>>> is the single best thing you can do to improve the performance of an aging 
>>> MacBook. Follow Sharon Profis's instructions on how to upgrade your MacBook 
>>> Pro with an SSD 
>>> . 
>>> You'll be shocked at not only how easy it is to do but also at the huge 
>>> impact it has on performance.
>>> 
>>> I just performed the maneuver myself, replacing my 2011-era MacBook Pro's 
>>> 500GB hard drive with the 500GBSamsung 850 EVO 
>>>  . The Samsung SSD and a 
>>> SATA-to-USB cable kit cost me just north of $200 on Amazon. And the whole 
>>> procedure took less than an hour (not counting the half a day it took to 
>>> clone my MacBook's hard drive to the SSD).
>>> 
>>> Really, the hardest part of the whole thing was tracking down a size 6T 
>>> torx-head screwdriver for the four torx screws that help hold the hard 
>>> drive in place.
>>> 
>>> 2. Add more memory (RAM)
>>> 
>>> While you have your MacBook opened to replace its hard drive, take the 
>>> opportunity to add more memory. Like the replacing a hard drive, adding 
>>> more memory is a straightforward, simple process.
>>> 
>>> First, you need to find the right type of memory for your specific MacBook 
>>> model. The brand doesn't matter much, just be sure to buy the right amount, 
>>> type, and speed. Apple has a handy support page 
>>>  that shows the memory specifications 
>>> for a variety of models, along with an illustrated guide to replacing the 
>>> memory.
>>> 
>>> In my case, my early-2011 MacBook Pro has two DIMM slots, each of which is 
>>> occupied by a 2GB module. Since I don't have any free slots, I will need to 
>>> replace those two modules with two 4GB modules. I need DDR3 memory with a 
>>> speed of 1,333MHz.
>>> 
>>> After finding the right RAM for your MacBook, follow the photos below to 
>>> install the new memory.
>>> 
>>> 3. Clean your Mac's hard drive
>>> 
>>> Sometimes, all your MacBook needs is a data clean-up. Over the years, 
>>> you've probably cluttered your Mac with files and applications you no 
>>> longer use or need.
>>> 
>>> Uninstall old Mac apps
>>> 
>>> To get started, let's look in the Applications and Downloads folders. If 
>>> there are apps in there

Re: Five tips to speed up your Mac - CNET

[Eric Oyen]

Well, it probably doesn’t help that I am using an older model Mac mini (2014) 
with 8 GB of ram and a 1 TB ssd installed. Oh, and it is running the latest OS 
version.

-Eric


> On May 24, 2020, at 8:02 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Interesting.
> I had no problem viewing the CNET website using SaFari v13.1 on macOS 
> Catalina.
> Of course my new Mac mini 2018 has maxed out RAM, so maybe that makes a 
> difference.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On May 24, 2020, at 09:48, Eric Oyen  <mailto:eric.o...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Very true.
> 
> Every time I try to open the Cnet website on safari, the browser goes into 
> total lockdown and I am forced to use the force kill system application in 
> order to break the lockout. It seems that some (or all) of the ads on that 
> site cause resource issues inside the the browser. Btw, this isn’t nearly as 
> much of an issue inside google chrome.
> 
> -Eric
> 
> 
>> On May 23, 2020, at 3:37 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn > <mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I have another suggestion for performance improvements on MAC. Don't open 
>> C'net articles in Safari unless you have an ad blocker. 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 23, 2020, at 5:33 PM, Brad Snyder >> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The article makes good points.
>>> I have never heard of App Zapper, but I have heard of other apps like Clean 
>>> My Mac that do a lot of the same things.
>>> Adding RAM and a new SSD is not as easy as the article makes it sound, 
>>> especially for someone who is blind or vision impaired.
>>> Adding more RAM will not affect your Mac’s ability to upgrade its version 
>>> of macOS beyond a certain version.  This is dependent on other hardware 
>>> considerations.
>>> 
>>> HTH
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 23, 2020, at 12:31, Traci Duncan >> <mailto:our4p...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> What are folk’s thoughts on this article? Has anyone used that AppZapper 
>>> they recommend?
>>> 
>>> Would you add additional tips?
>>> 
>>> Lastly, if ram is upgraded in an older Mac, will it suddenly accept the 
>>> latest OS?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Traci
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.cnet.com/how-to/five-tips-to-speed-up-your-mac/ 
>>>> <https://www.cnet.com/how-to/five-tips-to-speed-up-your-mac/>
>>>> 
>>>> Five tips to speed up your Mac
>>>> 
>>>> Boost your Mac's performance and reclaim hard-drive space with this 
>>>> handful of tips.
>>>> 
>>>> Feb. 7, 2017 6:00 a.m. PT
>>>> Watch this: Upgrade your MacBook with an SSD
>>>> 
>>>> 4:29
>>>> 
>>>> The only place I like seeing a beach ball is at a beach or in a stadium 
>>>> during a baseball game or concert. The one place I least like to see a 
>>>> beach ball is on my aging MacBook Pro, where the spinning beach ball has 
>>>> become an altogether too familiar a sight. If your Mac has become 
>>>> frustratingly slow, there are a number of ways you can speed it up again.
>>>> 
>>>> Before you engage in any maintenance, I would urge you to take caution and 
>>>> back up your data. For Macs, it's easy: grab an external drive and run 
>>>> Time Machine 
>>>> <https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-set-up-time-machine-on-your-mac/>. 
>>>> With your Mac's drive freshly backed up, you may proceed.
>>>> 
>>>> 1. Replace your Mac hard drive with an SSD
>>>> 
>>>> Moving from a traditional spinning hard drive to a solid-state drive (SSD) 
>>>> is the single best thing you can do to improve the performance of an aging 
>>>> MacBook. Follow Sharon Profis's instructions on how to upgrade your 
>>>> MacBook Pro with an SSD 
>>>> <https://www.cnet.com/how-to/upgrade-your-macbook-install-ssd-hard-drive/>.
>>>>  You'll be shocked at not only how easy it is to do but also at the huge 
>>>> impact it has on performance.
>>>> 
>>>> I just performed the maneuver myself, replacing my 2011-era MacBook Pro's 
>>>> 500GB hard drive with the 500GBSamsung 850 EVO 
>>>>  . The Samsung SSD and a 
>>>> SATA-to-USB cable kit cost me just north of $200 on Amazon. And the whole 
>>>> proced

Re: App for Testing Read/Write speed of Hard drives?

[Eric Oyen]

There may be one. However, I use DD with the bs option (block size). A script 
can be created easily enough in terminal to run it several times and then give 
the results each time. You will know when you pass the max file transfer 
efficiency hump when numbers start heading back downward. I will have to do a 
bit of looking to see how to create a script to do this.

In any case, there are tools for determining best transfer speed of a device 
given a few known parameters.

-Eric


> On Aug 6, 2021, at 3:23 PM, Matt Turner  wrote:
> 
> Hi, hope everyone is doing well.
> is there and app for this?
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Re: What audio editing apps work well on the Mac with Voiceover

[Eric Oyen]

Check out audacity. It’s not just a mixer app. You can use it to edit and 
change audio files. The site that hosts it has extensive tutorials.

-Eric


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> Hi all, can anyone recommend an easy to use audio editing program for the Mac 
> that works well with voice over? Also any tutorials would also be 
> appreciated. Thanks
>  
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Re: What audio editing apps work well on the Mac with Voiceover

[Eric Oyen]

Hmmm. Ok, that was something I wasn’t aware of. I have an older model white 
book that uses OS X Lion. Since that’s my goto multimedia machine, that is the 
version I tend to use (I think it was last updated to 1.5.3 and that was as far 
as it went). It might be time to test later versions on my Catalina based Mac 
mini here and see what’s up.

Thanks for bringing this to my attention.

-Eric


> On Aug 8, 2021, at 7:09 AM, Frank Ventura  
> wrote:
> 
> Eric, I must be looking in the wrong place as what I found for Audacity 
> suggests that versions after 2.0 have voiceover accessibility issues. What 
> version should I be looking for?
>  
> thanks
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Eric Oyen
> Sent: Sunday, August 8, 2021 1:47 AM
> To: [MacVisionaries] 
> Subject: Re: What audio editing apps work well on the Mac with Voiceover
>  
> Check out audacity. It’s not just a mixer app. You can use it to edit and 
> change audio files. The site that hosts it has extensive tutorials.
>  
> -Eric
>  
> 
> 
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> Hi all, can anyone recommend an easy to use audio editing program for the Mac 
> that works well with voice over? Also any tutorials would also be 
> appreciated. Thanks
>  
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Re: What audio editing apps work well on the Mac with Voiceover

[Eric Oyen]

Well, considering the cost, wouldn’t it be better to have a two tiered setup 
here?

Pro tools is great if you are in the professional audio editing and production 
field, but many of us don’t have that kind of cash laying around. How about a 
basic version that gives us some basic functions (like editing, clipping, 
joining and perhaps single type cross fading between joined clips?. Sell it for 
$19 on a yearly subscription and have an option to upgrade to pro built in. I 
have some forensics software that I purchased on this model for drive recovery 
and imaging. The basic was $59 and gave me what I needed. Now, if I were to 
upgrade to the enterprise version, that would be $500 annually. Unless I am in 
a professional environment needing that level of access, I don’t consider it 
worth the investment. Btw, that package is called disk drill (a combo drive 
recovery and forensics package).

In the case of audio tools, there are quite a few out there. Some are 
accessible and some are not. There is also the macports tree with a lot of 
command line tools that can accomplish a great deal (I know, it’s how I have 
recoded my entire video library to be able to play on any device). With those 
command line tools, I can also transcode one format to another (MP3’s are nice, 
but lossy and my ears can tell).

Anyway, hopefully you find my suggestion workable.

-Eric


> On Aug 8, 2021, at 12:05 PM, Chuck Reichel  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Guys,
> The short answer is Avid Pro Tools.
> I’ve been editing audio with it for many years now and its straight forward 
> but does cost a bit.
> Our Avid beta teem is constantly working to keep accessibility in the 
> forefront for Pro Tools! :)
> 
> Talk soon
> Chuck
> 
> 
>> On Aug 8, 2021, at 11:25 AM, Herbie Allen > > wrote:
>> 
>> Amadeus Pro is a great app. A bit querky perhaps, but once you start 
>> practicing, you get used to how it works.
>> 
>>> On Aug 8, 2021, at 10:08, Anders Holmberg >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> No I don't think so.
>>> I haven’t found any.
>>> /A
>>> 
 8 aug. 2021 kl. 16:10 skrev Frank Ventura >>> >:
 
 I would be interested in Twistedwave, are there any tutorials for it?
  
 thanks
  
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  >>> > On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
 Sent: Sunday, August 8, 2021 10:07 AM
 To: 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries >>> >
 Subject: Re: What audio editing apps work well on the Mac with Voiceover
  
 Hi!
 There is Amadeus Pro but its not very easy to use but works very well.
 Jonathan Mosen has made a daisy book on how to use the Amadeus Pro.
 There is also twisted wave which also is available for iOS.
 I was going to learn it but there has been so much things in the way.
 /A
 
 
 8 aug. 2021 kl. 04:40 skrev Frank Ventura >>> >:
  
 Hi all, can anyone recommend an easy to use audio editing program for the 
 Mac that works well with voice over? Also any tutorials would also be 
 appreciated. Thanks
  
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Can't seem to enter verification code for 2fa

[Eric Oyen]

Ok,
I recently needed to setup 2FA and include my Mac mini so that I can synch data 
across both devices. The problem comes when trying to enter the verification 
code sent to my iPhone. A similar dialog shows up on my Mac mini asking for 
that code. I try to enter it, but it appears that the edit box adds an extra 
invisible character on me thus making it appear that I entered 7 characters and 
not 6. This causes the authentication to fail. Is there a way around this?

-Eric

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Re: Encryption which works on both Mac and iPhone

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Actually, an app like that would certainly be handy. There is an app on the App 
Store called crypto disks and files explorer. Not sure if there is the same for 
OS X. This was just one of the things I found when I did a search for “file 
encryption” via my iPhone.

-Eric


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> Hello,
> Can anyone recommend a VO friendly encryption program which will let you 
> encrypt or decrypt a file or a folder on both Mac and iPhone? I want to store 
> some sensitive data in iCloud drive which I can encrypt on Mac and decrypt on 
> IOS or vice versa.  My iCloud drive will contain both ordinary non-sensitive 
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Emails from this list ending up in gmail spam folder repeatedly

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Hello List owners,

Lately, I have been seeing an increasing number of listers emails from this 
list showing up in gmail’s spam folder. I check those items and mark them as 
not spam. I have been doing so repeatedly for the last 3 months or so and gmail 
still insists that they are spam. Is there any way you can get hold of google 
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Re: Alternate Browsers on Mac

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Google chrome seems to work ok, although it doesn’t poll the keychain access 
file for passwords (it tries to store them internally). On sites where some of 
the elements aren’t workable in safari, chrome might work (although this is hit 
or miss a lot of the time).

Oh, and forget about Firefox as it is barely accessible and tends not to render 
some sites in a way the screen reader understands).

-Eric


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> chatty it is when filling in logon and passwords. What other browsers are you 
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Re: Alternate Browsers on Mac

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Hmmm, that’s news to me. The last time I tried Firefox on OS X Catalina it 
turned out be very frustrating. Are there any settings I should be aware of to 
make it easier to use?

Thanks,

-Eric


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> On 11/12/21 15:29, Eric Oyen wrote:
>> Oh, and forget about Firefox as it is barely accessible and tends not to 
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Re: Alternate Browsers on Mac

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yeah. I get that on some sites as well using safari. Part of it is probably 
improper web code or use of non-standard html tags. Btw, have you tried edge on 
the gmail website set in basic html mode? If the problem shows up there, then 
it’s likely edge that’s the problem. Then again, Microsoft was never very good 
at producing accessible products that worked on platforms other than their 
flagship OS.

-Eric


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> Eric,
> Thanks for the suggestions. My problem with MS-Edge is that I can’t navigate 
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> columns. 
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> Google chrome seems to work ok, although it doesn’t poll the keychain access 
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> is hit or miss a lot of the time).
> 
> Oh, and forget about Firefox as it is barely accessible and tends not to 
> render some sites in a way the screen reader understands).
> 
> -Eric
> 
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>> Having trouble with MS-Edge lately. Not too thrilled with Safari and how 
>> chatty it is when filling in logon and passwords. What other browsers are 
>> you using with any success?
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Re: strange behavior on my Mac

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I have had this several times since 2 updates back. It appears to be a kernel 
crash bug of some sort. I also have a 2012 late model Mac mini. This may be a 
problem in the kernel specifically or an external trigger. One thing I noted in 
the system logs was that logging would cease about 30 minutes before the crash, 
which means that other system services were being impacted before the final 
crash.

-Eric


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> dead in the middle of doing something. today I was playing an audio file in a 
> folder on my Mac when it just stopped. at first I thought the file had ended 
> but I couldn't get a response out of my Mac no matter what I did. it was 
> still running but was completely unresponsive to anything I tried to do using 
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Re: strange behavior on my Mac

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Not sure that a new machine would be any better. I am debating on whether or 
not to upgrade the current OS (Catalina) to the next in line. That might take 
care of the Kernel crash issues.

-Eric


> On Dec 28, 2021, at 2:13 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> does it matter what os you're running? I suppose I need a new computer.
> 
>> On Dec 28, 2021, at 1:18 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
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>> I have had this several times since 2 updates back. It appears to be a 
>> kernel crash bug of some sort. I also have a 2012 late model Mac mini. This 
>> may be a problem in the kernel specifically or an external trigger. One 
>> thing I noted in the system logs was that logging would cease about 30 
>> minutes before the crash, which means that other system services were being 
>> impacted before the final crash.
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 27, 2021, at 3:24 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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>>> I've got a late 2014 Mac Mini running Catalina. twice now it has just gone 
>>> dead in the middle of doing something. today I was playing an audio file in 
>>> a folder on my Mac when it just stopped. at first I thought the file had 
>>> ended but I couldn't get a response out of my Mac no matter what I did. it 
>>> was still running but was completely unresponsive to anything I tried to do 
>>> using the trackpad and/or the keyboard. I had to push the button to turn it 
>>> off and then later restart it. what might be going on here? suggestions 
>>> please.
>>> 
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Re: Password generation and security app

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If you are willing to install the macports app and the associated command line 
tools, you can install the macport version called PWGEN. It’s a very nice and 
simple command line tool. You can generate random passwords of random length, 
choose a length, types of characters and. The like. I have used it in 
conjunction with a pipe to a text file to create a large number of passwords. I 
did figure out that I could create the ultimate rainbow file using it, the only 
issue being I would need a petabyte of storage to hold it. Yeah, that’s every 
password string from 4 characters to 40 (including spaces and punctuation).

Anyway, that’s my $0.02 worth.

-Eric


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> Something like one password. However, I want the app to work on both Mac and 
> windows environments. Does anyone know of such an app? It also needs to be 
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Re: A question for mac fanfiction readers?

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I already encountered that. I simply took a screen capture and sent them a 
picture of it via twitter. After about a dozen or so of these things, I finally 
got someone to respond. Once they understood the problem their settings were 
causing, they started work on it.

Also, Cloudflare often pops up with something called HPCaptcha. I usually just 
go to their login site, set the accessibility cookie and move on. And yes, I 
strictly use a Mac here.

-Eric


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> Hi everyone,
> In December one of the more popular fanfiction sites suffered a ddos attack.
> www.fanfiction.net
> Afterward, in an understandable panic, they  started using cloudflare at its 
> most extreme settings, including security tests.
> In  rather a few cases though the captcha is not inclusive, does not even 
> show.
> I understand Cloudflare is now working with Apple on security and privacy.
> So, for those who  have visited fanfiction.net since this change, were you 
> able to reach the site solving the security test using voiceover?
> Its a lost cause in much of Linux even I am told.
> My worry is that at some point cloudflare's presence may result in a 
> voiceover issue.
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Re: A question for mac fanfiction readers?

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Setting the accessibility cookie is rather easy. You just have to make sure 
that your allow cookies setting is turned on in your browser of choice.

Firstly, if you can’t get past the captcha, there are links that show up that 
will take you to a page where you fill in your email. Then, a link will be sent 
to your email containing a login link. On that page, a control called “set 
disability cookie” will be present. Best bookmark that page so if the same 
thing crops up again in the future, you can go right to that page and hit the 
set cookie thing again. Then just go to the page you were on before, reload it 
and boom, back in business.

-Eric


> On Feb 2, 2021, at 9:42 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> how do you set the accessibility cookie? I ran into another site where this 
> was requested and I didn't know what they were talking about.
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
> 
>> On Feb 2, 2021, at 10:36 AM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Eric,
>> Part of why i wrote is that others have not gotten such a response.
>> did you contact  ffn on twitter, or cloudflare?
>> How would you feel about sharing that exchange?
>> Thanks,
>> Karen
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, 2 Feb 2021, Eric Oyen wrote:
>> 
>>> I already encountered that. I simply took a screen capture and sent them a 
>>> picture of it via twitter. After about a dozen or so of these things, I 
>>> finally got someone to respond. Once they understood the problem their 
>>> settings were causing, they started work on it.
>>> 
>>> Also, Cloudflare often pops up with something called HPCaptcha. I usually 
>>> just go to their login site, set the accessibility cookie and move on. And 
>>> yes, I strictly use a Mac here.
>>> 
>>> -Eric
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 1, 2021, at 6:35 PM, Karen Lewellen  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>> In December one of the more popular fanfiction sites suffered a ddos 
>>>> attack.
>>>> www.fanfiction.net
>>>> Afterward, in an understandable panic, they  started using cloudflare at 
>>>> its most extreme settings, including security tests.
>>>> In  rather a few cases though the captcha is not inclusive, does not even 
>>>> show.
>>>> I understand Cloudflare is now working with Apple on security and privacy.
>>>> So, for those who  have visited fanfiction.net since this change, were you 
>>>> able to reach the site solving the security test using voiceover?
>>>> Its a lost cause in much of Linux even I am told.
>>>> My worry is that at some point cloudflare's presence may result in a 
>>>> voiceover issue.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Karen
>>>> 
>>>> 
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Re: A question for mac fanfiction readers?

[Eric Oyen]

I contacted them via twitter. I couldn’t do so via cloud flare. My exchange on 
there was simply sending them a lot of screen captures of pages that would show 
up. I couldn’t direct message them at all. In the end, the go around between 
them and me took a grand total of about 10 tweets back and forth. They solved 
the issue on their end in about an hour.

Btw, you would have to tweet to @FictionPress in order to get their attention.

-Eric


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> 
> Hi Eric,
> Part of why i wrote is that others have not gotten such a response.
> did you contact  ffn on twitter, or cloudflare?
> How would you feel about sharing that exchange?
> Thanks,
> Karen
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 2 Feb 2021, Eric Oyen wrote:
> 
>> I already encountered that. I simply took a screen capture and sent them a 
>> picture of it via twitter. After about a dozen or so of these things, I 
>> finally got someone to respond. Once they understood the problem their 
>> settings were causing, they started work on it.
>> 
>> Also, Cloudflare often pops up with something called HPCaptcha. I usually 
>> just go to their login site, set the accessibility cookie and move on. And 
>> yes, I strictly use a Mac here.
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 1, 2021, at 6:35 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> In December one of the more popular fanfiction sites suffered a ddos attack.
>>> www.fanfiction.net
>>> Afterward, in an understandable panic, they  started using cloudflare at 
>>> its most extreme settings, including security tests.
>>> In  rather a few cases though the captcha is not inclusive, does not even 
>>> show.
>>> I understand Cloudflare is now working with Apple on security and privacy.
>>> So, for those who  have visited fanfiction.net since this change, were you 
>>> able to reach the site solving the security test using voiceover?
>>> Its a lost cause in much of Linux even I am told.
>>> My worry is that at some point cloudflare's presence may result in a 
>>> voiceover issue.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Karen
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: accessible vpn

[Eric Oyen]

Try private internet access. I use them on my Mac mini with very little trouble.

-Eric


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> I know this has been discussed before but can anybody recommend an accessible 
> vpn for my Mac? I have one on my phone but it's only for phones.
> 
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Re: Mail often hangs in Bigsur 11.2

[Eric Oyen]

I have only encountered this on occasion. I don’t use the VO+J command. I 
simply go to the message of interest and read it directly. And yes, I am 
running latest version of Catalina (system updated today in fact). Mail does 
sometimes hang whenever the server gets too busy. Also, if trying to load 
images or URL’s from online sources, mail can get a bit dicey. I turned off 
loading of images and outside URL’s to minimize this problem.

Btw, here is my system specs just for interest:

Hardware Overview:

  Model Name:   Mac mini
  Model Identifier: Macmini6,1
  Processor Name:   Dual-Core Intel Core i5
  Processor Speed:  2.5 GHz
  Number of Processors: 1
  Total Number of Cores:2
  L2 Cache (per Core):  256 KB
  L3 Cache: 3 MB
  Hyper-Threading Technology:   Enabled
  Memory:   8 GB
  Boot ROM Version: 421.0.0.0.0
  SMC Version (system): 2.7f0
  Serial Number (system):   C07JCYD5DWYL
  Hardware UUID:EA38BF4D-C66A-5630-BD01-495716CEB60B

System Software Overview:

  System Version:   macOS 10.15.7 (19H524)
  Kernel Version:   Darwin 19.6.0
  Boot Volume:  MacMini
  Boot Mode:Normal
  Computer Name:EvilDead
  User Name:proudhawk (proudhawk)
  Secure Virtual Memory:Enabled
  System Integrity Protection:  Enabled
  Time since boot:  24 minutes


-Eric


> On Feb 9, 2021, at 11:57 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> This is not a new issue, and is not unique to Big Sur.  I currently 
> experience this on Catalina, and other versions of macOS and iOS going back a 
> while.
> I believe this is a server-side issue, and not anything you can do about it.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Feb 9, 2021, at 12:31, Paul Hopewell  > wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I am using Apple Mail on Bigsur 11.2. Quite often Mail keeps saying “busy” 
> when I try to read a message. 
> I have 3 Email accounts and have set up All Inboxes so that I see all 
> messages in a single table. When I have located a message of interest I press 
> VO+J to read the message text. This usually works OK but quite often Apple 
> Mail distlays the message header and then keeps saying “busy” and refuses to 
> display the message text. It instead displays the message header and then 
> keeps saying “busy”. Force quitting Mail and restarting Mail does not usually 
> fix the problem and I have to go to my iPhone to read the message text. I 
> think this may be happening if a new message arrives at the same time as I am 
> trying to read the chosen message. 
> This hardly ever happened on Catalinabut it started happening on Bigsur 11.1.
> Do others have this problem? If so is there a work around perhaps by changing 
> my Mail preferences?
> Many thanks for any tips.
> Best … Paul Hopewell
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Re: IOS 14.4 a serious piece of garbage?

[Eric Oyen]

Well,
I have a gripe with the entire 14.x series of iOS releases. Ever since going to 
14, my phone has done the strange thing when holding down the home button: it 
double chimes upward indicating ready to accept voice input only to immediately 
double chime downward indicating operation canceled. I have had to reset my 
phone 4 times already and the problem comes back in less than a week. So, 
basically, I can’t add to my electronic calendar by that method, nor can I 
request phone calls, play my music or even open apps. What does it take to have 
a properly working phone?

-Eric


> On Feb 14, 2021, at 6:35 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
> Well, I guess I'm glad I'm not alone. But I can't help thinking that Siri has 
> taken some major steps backwards.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Feb 14, 2021, at 4:45 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> hi donna.
>> thats a problem i have with siri.
>> i cant play some albums for some strange reasons.
>> this has been worse in this new 14.4 update.
>> so youre not alone.
>> 7ad
>> 
>> Skickat från min iPad
>> 
>>> 14 feb. 2021 kl. 19:21 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> Oh, God! so here's what happened this morning.
>>> 
>>> I said "Siri, play Album x." Siri said, "I can't find Album X on Apple 
>>> Music." So I said, "Siri, play album X from my library." Siri said, "I 
>>> can't find Album X on Apple music." So I said, "Siri, play Artist from my 
>>> library." Siri immediately played a song from the album I'd been trying to 
>>> play. So I said," Siri, play this album." Siri immediately switched to a 
>>> different album. So, I thought, OK, I'll just air-play it from my phone. I 
>>> started the album, and went into the control center to select the speakers 
>>> where I wanted the music to play. But the Playback Destination button in 
>>> the Control center seems only to be there for decoration. Tapping it 
>>> brought up the list of speakers, but I was not able to select and get music 
>>> to play on anything other than my phone. I was finally able to get the 
>>> album to play on one of my HomePodes by holding my phone up to it and 
>>> transferring, but we all know that that sometimes works, and sometimes 
>>> doesn't. So this action, which should have been able to be implemented with 
>>> one voice command, ended up taking about fifteen minutes, and it still 
>>> wasn't playin on all the speakers where I wanted it to play.
>>> 
>>> On a more general level, our music system is a combination of HomePods and 
>>> Sonos speakers. In IOS 13, if I had the speakers grouped, and told Siri to 
>>> adjust the volume, the volume was adjusted for the whole group. Now, it is 
>>> only adjusted on the HomePod. If I want to adjust the volume on the Sonos 
>>> speakers, I either have to open the Sonos app and do it there, or manually 
>>> walk over and adjust it. There's just no excuse for that.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
 On Feb 14, 2021, at 11:54 AM, `  wrote:
 
 I can't comment on the Braille Display, but I hae not experienced any 
 issues with the HomePod.
 
> On 2/14/2021 10:01, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> Does anyone else out there feel like IOS 14.4 is a serious piece of c***? 
> Honestly, I hate it enough that I'm giving some consideration to just 
> going back to another environment. What on earth was Apple thinking? I 
> have problems with my braille display and problems with playing music in 
> my home. This is the suckiest release I can remember in a long time!
> Cheers,
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Re: Comparing VoiceOver And NVDA

[Eric Oyen]

Yeah,
He sounds like a total windows user. I Happen to be very conversant with both 
windows and OS X. Right now, I am still on Catalina. Most of the issues he 
alluded to in VoiceOver don’t seem to crop up all that often. However, some 
javascript running on a few of the more busy news sites will cause it to crash 
and restart. That, however, may be a Javascript issue.

Now, as for windows, I make use of both NVDA and JAWS. Of the two, JAWS is much 
more refined, has a scripting interface (that NVDA does not) and can remote 
access other machines with the same version or lesser version of JAWS on board. 
That is something that NVDA can’t, as yet, do. For a free product, however, 
NVDA is pretty good. It compares to ORCCA on many Linux desktop environments. 
That is one I also use and am even more conversant with. Oh, and technically, 
VoiceOver is not free, it just happens to be included on apple hardware that 
you still have to pay a butt load of money for.

Last point: each screen reader does bring something to the table. Each one has 
their strengths, but also has weaknesses that others might not have, or have to 
a lesser degree. However, one weakness that exists on all screen readers are 
apps or pages that haven’t been coded with accessibility even being considered. 
This makes the life of a blind computer user somewhat problematic. There are 
workarounds to be sure, but in the end, we are just not considered as a 
population of importance on the web.

-Eric


> On Mar 1, 2021, at 5:36 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> I wonder if this person even tried a mac. Yes, there was an issue with disk 
> utility in the big sur recovery and I agree that this should have never been 
> released, but it is fixed now. I'm wondering what tasks the author of this 
> article wants to perform but is unable to do. There is still an issue with 
> adding and removing items from the dock using the keyboard but that's not 
> voiceover related directly.
> 
>> On Mar 1, 2021, at 6:48 AM, kliph miller Sr  
>> wrote:
>> 
 It’s clear to me about this article 2 things.
>>> 1. This is a windows user
>>> 2. They haven’t done there homework.
>>> Note: I am not the author of this article!
>>> 
 Introduction
 The modern era has brought many advantages for those who are blind or 
 visually impaired. One of the most important tools a blind user uses with 
 modern computing devices is a screen reader. Traditionally, screen readers 
 have been very expensive third-party programs that were very difficult to 
 obtain depending on one’s financial status. However, several free yet 
 capable screen readers have emerged in the last 20 years. The two that we 
 will be discussing are Apple’s VoiceOver for macOS and the Nonvisual 
 Desktop Access or NVDA for Windows. Both are powerful screen readers in 
 their own right, but they have their strengths and weaknesses which I will 
 discuss in more detail. Hopefully by the end of this article, you will 
 have a better understanding of each product and its individual 
 strengths/weaknesses.
 
 NVDA
 Nonvisual Desktop Access or NVDA for short is a free and open source 
 screen reader for the Microsoft Windows operating system. The organization 
 behind the project is an Australian company called NV Access 
 (www.nvaccess.org). It has been around since 2006 and primarily competes 
 with the JAWS for Windows screen reader produced by Freedom Scientific or 
 Vispero as they are now known by. It offers many of the same features that 
 JAWS offers and should be suitable for 99% of screen reader users. The 
 philosophy behind NVDA is extremely compelling. It is offered free of 
 charge to anyone in the world, meaning there is no longer a financial 
 barrier for blind people to work, learn, or do anything else on a 
 computer. NV Access does rely on donations, either from individuals or 
 grants from large companies, so if you can donate, it is very much worth 
 it to help this amazing project continue long into the future. The obvious 
 benefit is that a blind person can compete on a level playing field with 
 sighted peers at no more cost than anyone else. Updates to NVDA are also 
 free, and NV Access releases 3-4 updates per year that fix bugs and add 
 new features.
 
 Since NVDA is open source, anyone is free to review the source code and 
 propose changes. While anyone can propose a change and submit code, it’s 
 still reviewed and approved by NV Access before it is included in anything 
 anyone can download. This ensures the security of the software from 
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 https://www.nvaccess.org/ is just as secure and well vetted as the closed 
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Re: strange message when logging into Bookshare from my Mac

[Eric Oyen]

Matt,

Apparently that domain is up for sale. I keep getting a site that says it’s 
parked. Clicking on the other links doesn’t reveal an edit box in which to 
enter the data (in this case, email).

I thought you would want to know.

-Eric


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Re: Torrent clients.

[Eric Oyen]

Also, Utorrent is another good one. I have used that one for retrieving Linux 
images before. It’s got a simple to use interface and it’s preferences dialogue 
is easy to work with, even with a screen reader.

Also, you might have to install Xcode tools as well as macports and then 
install RTorrent (which is a command line client).

Anyway, there are some torrent clients out there that still work. :)

-Eric


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>> Hi!
>> I am trying to download Debian on my Mac.
>> The thing is that I need a treat client for this.
>> I now try to use Transmission but for some reason isn’t the app visible to 
>> voiceOver.
>> Its not shown programs chooser but I can see that its loaded when I cmd tab 
>> cycling through apps.
>> In the Security and intigrity settings I have allowed it in the 
>> accessibility categories and in the files and folders and also in full 
>> storage permission.
>> But I can not see the app but its there.
>> Any thoughts.
>> /A
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Re: IRC CLient

[Eric Oyen]

Another irc client you can try is HexChat )formerly XChat). Sure, it’s a full 
GUI client, but it does have some nice features that make it a dream to work 
with VoiceOver.

-Eric


> On Apr 20, 2021, at 6:09 PM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
> 
> Amazingly enough I had speech unchecked in notifications under preferences, 
> notifications, but under the speech tab I have both Channel name and nickname 
> checked.   Now on channel properties for *each* channel under Notifications, 
> I have highlight mention as the selected alert, and nothing else checked. 
> This is the only set up that worked to have speech when somebody was speaking 
> on a channel.
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
> Facebook.com/lpnalda 
> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda 
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Apr 20, 2021, at 3:43 PM, Juan Hernandez > > wrote:
>> 
>> How do I get it to speak?  I have the checkbox enabled for speech.  I’ve 
>> sat in front of textual and  waited for it to read the incoming messages, 
>> but when I go to  the channel output I see people chatting, but VoiceOver 
>> doesn’t read it.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 19, 2021, at 11:59 PM, Pete Nalda >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I like Textual. It’s self voicing, meaning all channel events are spoken, 
>>> channels/Servers are on the left side, channel content in the middle, and 
>>> user list on the right. 
>>> 
>>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
>>> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
>>> Facebook.com/lpnalda 
>>> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda 
>>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>>> 
 On Apr 20, 2021, at 1:06 AM, juanhernande...@gmail.com 
  wrote:
 
 
 Hi All,
  
 I am getting back to using mac a lot of my work time as I’m doing work for 
 iOS and mac development.
  
 So it has been like 3-4 years since I’ve owned a mac.  So my info is a bit 
 old.
  
 What is an accessible IRC client?
  
 Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Well,
It’s a client I have used for a long time. In any case, you can have the 
windows separate out as individual windows or keep as tabs on one pane. It does 
make it somewhat easier to keep track of things as well. Also, you can 
configure with or without timestamps, or use handle or email (depending on how 
the server is configured).

Also, Hex chat (and it’s previous incarnation) has been around for a 
substantially long time. I was using it in OS X Lion and even in Snow leopard.

Instead of just asking me how great it is, why not get a copy and try it out?

-Eric


> On Apr 20, 2021, at 8:41 PM,  
>  wrote:
> 
> What is great about hexchat and VoiceOver?
>  
> Thanks.
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Eric Oyen
> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 7:13 PM
> To: [MacVisionaries]  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: Re: IRC CLient
>  
> Another irc client you can try is HexChat )formerly XChat). Sure, it’s a full 
> GUI client, but it does have some nice features that make it a dream to work 
> with VoiceOver.
>  
> -Eric
>  
> 
> 
>> On Apr 20, 2021, at 6:09 PM, Pete Nalda > <mailto:lpna...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>  
>> Amazingly enough I had speech unchecked in notifications under preferences, 
>> notifications, but under the speech tab I have both Channel name and 
>> nickname checked.   Now on channel properties for *each* channel under 
>> Notifications, I have highlight mention as the selected alert, and nothing 
>> else checked. This is the only set up that worked to have speech when 
>> somebody was speaking on a channel.
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
>> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
>> Facebook.com/lpnalda <http://facebook.com/lpnalda>
>> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda <http://linkedin.com/in/lpnalda>
>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 20, 2021, at 3:43 PM, Juan Hernandez >> <mailto:juanhernande...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> How do I get it to speak?  I have the checkbox enabled for speech.  I’ve 
>>> sat in front of textual and  waited for it to read the incoming messages, 
>>> but when I go to  the channel output I see people chatting, but VoiceOver 
>>> doesn’t read it.
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 19, 2021, at 11:59 PM, Pete Nalda >>> <mailto:lpna...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>  
>>>> I like Textual. It’s self voicing, meaning all channel events are spoken, 
>>>> channels/Servers are on the left side, channel content in the middle, and 
>>>> user list on the right. 
>>>> 
>>>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
>>>> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
>>>> Facebook.com/lpnalda <http://facebook.com/lpnalda>
>>>> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda <http://linkedin.com/in/lpnalda>
>>>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 20, 2021, at 1:06 AM, juanhernande...@gmail.com 
>>>>> <mailto:juanhernande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>  
>>>>> I am getting back to using mac a lot of my work time as I’m doing work 
>>>>> for iOS and mac development.
>>>>>  
>>>>> So it has been like 3-4 years since I’ve owned a mac.  So my info is a 
>>>>> bit old.
>>>>>  
>>>>> What is an accessible IRC client?
>>>>>  
>>>>> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Help with new external hard drive

[Eric Oyen]

Well,
The answer should be yes, that it is relatively easy. Sometimes, However, 
things don’t work quite that way.

So, if the drive doesn’t come up as it should, you can go into DiskUtility, 
choose the drive from the sidebar, press VO+SHIFT+M and choose erase. Name it 
in the edit box, choose the security level of the erase and then press the 
erase button. Depending on the speed of your external connection (USB 3 or 
above), this may take a few hours.

Once initialized, you can then open up a terminal window and then use the 
following command to move your files:

Mv -v /path_to_original_drive/* /Path_to_destination_drive/ and then press 
enter. The files will be moved starting with the first directory in 
alphanumeric order and then descending into each folder after it is created on 
the destination drive. This will also take rather a while, but not nearly as 
long. Also, if some of the files have problems, mv will issue an error 
indicating that a specific file or folder could not be moved and why. You can 
then either copy those using finder or force a move with the -f flag. Also, you 
might need to do this as a super user (example: sudo mv -v -f 
/originating_path/* /destination_path/ ).

It’s basically that simple. :)

-Eric
 

> On Jun 8, 2021, at 6:41 AM, FIOGKOS  wrote:
> 
> Hi everybody hope you’re doing well. I have a 2013 late I Mac running 
> Catalina with a 1 TB hard drive.
> I am starting my own YouTube channel with cooking episodes. I am using iMovie 
> to edit and join my Clips together. I am using my iPhone to tape my cooking 
> shows and transferring the clips to the iMac. I have finished 14 episodes and 
> my iMac hard drive is already half full so I bought a 4 TB hard drive from 
> the Apple store. The man at the Apple Store told me the hard drive needs 
> formatting but he said that when I plug it in the on-screen instructions are 
> pretty straightforward. My first question is that correct? Do I need to know 
> anything about using the drive for the first time? My second question is the 
> following I want to move my iMovie files and some text documents onto the 
> hard drive is it as easy as copying the files and then using the move command 
> to the drive? How is moving the files best accomplished?
> Thank you in advance for any help.
> Regards Zoe
> 
> 
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Re: Help with new external hard drive

[Eric Oyen]

Believe me, it’s not all that complicated. In fact, what I detailed is actually 
fairly simple. Now, if you want complicated, try partitioning that drive with 
multiple logical partitions, then formatting them for a different Filesystem 
each and then mounting them under Linux. *THAT* gets complicated.

-Eric


> On Jun 9, 2021, at 8:21 AM, FIOGKOS  wrote:
> 
> Thank you very much Eric, for a beginner user like me that sounds terrible 
> and complicated. Having said that I will save your instructions and hopefully 
> I will not run into any problems. Thank you for all your help.
> Regards Zoe
> 
> 
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> God the sun dwelt in her
> God the spirit overshadowed her
> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
> Twitter
> @FiogkosZoe
> 
> Love Isn't butterflies in your stomach, love is the heart beat you feel when 
> he's late
> 
> 
>> On Jun 9, 2021, at 4:50 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>> 
>> Well,
>> The answer should be yes, that it is relatively easy. Sometimes, However, 
>> things don’t work quite that way.
>> 
>> So, if the drive doesn’t come up as it should, you can go into DiskUtility, 
>> choose the drive from the sidebar, press VO+SHIFT+M and choose erase. Name 
>> it in the edit box, choose the security level of the erase and then press 
>> the erase button. Depending on the speed of your external connection (USB 3 
>> or above), this may take a few hours.
>> 
>> Once initialized, you can then open up a terminal window and then use the 
>> following command to move your files:
>> 
>> Mv -v /path_to_original_drive/* /Path_to_destination_drive/ and then press 
>> enter. The files will be moved starting with the first directory in 
>> alphanumeric order and then descending into each folder after it is created 
>> on the destination drive. This will also take rather a while, but not nearly 
>> as long. Also, if some of the files have problems, mv will issue an error 
>> indicating that a specific file or folder could not be moved and why. You 
>> can then either copy those using finder or force a move with the -f flag. 
>> Also, you might need to do this as a super user (example: sudo mv -v -f 
>> /originating_path/* /destination_path/ ).
>> 
>> It’s basically that simple. :)
>> 
>> -Eric
>>  
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 6:41 AM, FIOGKOS >> <mailto:fiog...@rogers.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everybody hope you’re doing well. I have a 2013 late I Mac running 
>>> Catalina with a 1 TB hard drive.
>>> I am starting my own YouTube channel with cooking episodes. I am using 
>>> iMovie to edit and join my Clips together. I am using my iPhone to tape my 
>>> cooking shows and transferring the clips to the iMac. I have finished 14 
>>> episodes and my iMac hard drive is already half full so I bought a 4 TB 
>>> hard drive from the Apple store. The man at the Apple Store told me the 
>>> hard drive needs formatting but he said that when I plug it in the 
>>> on-screen instructions are pretty straightforward. My first question is 
>>> that correct? Do I need to know anything about using the drive for the 
>>> first time? My second question is the following I want to move my iMovie 
>>> files and some text documents onto the hard drive is it as easy as copying 
>>> the files and then using the move command to the drive? How is moving the 
>>> files best accomplished?
>>> Thank you in advance for any help.
>>> Regards Zoe
>>> 
>>> 
>>> God the father chose her
>>> God the sun dwelt in her
>>> God the spirit overshadowed her
>>> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
>>> Twitter
>>> @FiogkosZoe
>>> 
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>>> when he's late
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Re: Internet Archive

[Eric Oyen]

It’s relatively easy. There are going to be several links to a file, including 
the torrent one. Choose the most appropriate link and it should start a 
download immediately. In the case of media type files, it might just start 
playing them in window on you. In that case, hit VO+SHIFT+M and go to download 
linked file.

-Eric


> On Jun 27, 2021, at 11:04 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> Anybody here know how to download from Internet Archive with a Mac? I've 
> heard it's a torrent site so maybe I need a torrent client but I'm hoping not.
> 
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Re: Internet Archive

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Hmmm. That’s weird. What browser are you using? If It’s safari, I have found 
that the context menu sometimes doesn’t work right when it should. In fact, the 
operation of said context menu is inconsistent.

Btw, you might have better luck with Chrome.

-Eric


> On Jun 29, 2021, at 12:35 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> the link to the book that somebody sent me lets me start playing it but when 
> I hit the context menu to download it, download is not in the menu, just a 
> bunch of stuff about the page.
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2021, at 10:28 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>> 
>> It’s relatively easy. There are going to be several links to a file, 
>> including the torrent one. Choose the most appropriate link and it should 
>> start a download immediately. In the case of media type files, it might just 
>> start playing them in window on you. In that case, hit VO+SHIFT+M and go to 
>> download linked file.
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2021, at 11:04 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Anybody here know how to download from Internet Archive with a Mac? I've 
>>> heard it's a torrent site so maybe I need a torrent client but I'm hoping 
>>> not.
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
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Re: Internet Archive

[Eric Oyen]

Unfortunately, no. that is one I will have to research.

-Eric


> On Jun 30, 2021, at 2:14 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> yeah. it's Safari I'm using. I often have trouble with the context menu. 
> sometimes turning vo off and then back on again helps but it didn't in this 
> situation. I suppose chrome is accessible or you wouldn't have recommended 
> it. do you know anything about Brave?
> 
>> On Jun 30, 2021, at 4:43 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>> 
>> Hmmm. That’s weird. What browser are you using? If It’s safari, I have found 
>> that the context menu sometimes doesn’t work right when it should. In fact, 
>> the operation of said context menu is inconsistent.
>> 
>> Btw, you might have better luck with Chrome.
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 29, 2021, at 12:35 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> the link to the book that somebody sent me lets me start playing it but 
>>> when I hit the context menu to download it, download is not in the menu, 
>>> just a bunch of stuff about the page.
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 28, 2021, at 10:28 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> It’s relatively easy. There are going to be several links to a file, 
>>>> including the torrent one. Choose the most appropriate link and it should 
>>>> start a download immediately. In the case of media type files, it might 
>>>> just start playing them in window on you. In that case, hit VO+SHIFT+M and 
>>>> go to download linked file.
>>>> 
>>>> -Eric
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 27, 2021, at 11:04 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Anybody here know how to download from Internet Archive with a Mac? I've 
>>>>> heard it's a torrent site so maybe I need a torrent client but I'm hoping 
>>>>> not.
>>>>> 
>>>>> thanks.
>>>>> Lorie
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Re: Internet Archive

[Eric Oyen]

Firefox is a freaking joke on OS X when it comes to accessibility. It still has 
major issues that make it a non-starter.

-Eric


> On Jul 1, 2021, at 1:47 AM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> What about Firefox?
> 
>> On Jun 30, 2021, at 7:46 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>> 
>> Unfortunately, no. that is one I will have to research.
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 30, 2021, at 2:14 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> yeah. it's Safari I'm using. I often have trouble with the context menu. 
>>> sometimes turning vo off and then back on again helps but it didn't in this 
>>> situation. I suppose chrome is accessible or you wouldn't have recommended 
>>> it. do you know anything about Brave?
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 30, 2021, at 4:43 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hmmm. That’s weird. What browser are you using? If It’s safari, I have 
>>>> found that the context menu sometimes doesn’t work right when it should. 
>>>> In fact, the operation of said context menu is inconsistent.
>>>> 
>>>> Btw, you might have better luck with Chrome.
>>>> 
>>>> -Eric
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 29, 2021, at 12:35 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> the link to the book that somebody sent me lets me start playing it but 
>>>>> when I hit the context menu to download it, download is not in the menu, 
>>>>> just a bunch of stuff about the page.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2021, at 10:28 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It’s relatively easy. There are going to be several links to a file, 
>>>>>> including the torrent one. Choose the most appropriate link and it 
>>>>>> should start a download immediately. In the case of media type files, it 
>>>>>> might just start playing them in window on you. In that case, hit 
>>>>>> VO+SHIFT+M and go to download linked file.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Eric
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 2021, at 11:04 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Anybody here know how to download from Internet Archive with a Mac? 
>>>>>>> I've heard it's a torrent site so maybe I need a torrent client but I'm 
>>>>>>> hoping not.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> thanks.
>>>>>>> Lorie
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Re: Internet Archive

[Eric Oyen]

Yeah, windows is about the only place where Firefox is fully accessible outside 
of a Linux environment (and there are several distributions of Linux that have 
full accessibility for the blind).

So, Firefox in windows can work with either jaws or NVDA pretty well. Just 
don’t use it in OS X. And yeah, Mozilla org doesn’t seem to see that 
accessibility on all platforms for everyone is important to their product.

-Eric


> On Jul 2, 2021, at 2:01 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> ok. thanks. I used to like it in windows. oh well.
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 1:20 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>> 
>> Firefox is a freaking joke on OS X when it comes to accessibility. It still 
>> has major issues that make it a non-starter.
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2021, at 1:47 AM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> What about Firefox?
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 30, 2021, at 7:46 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Unfortunately, no. that is one I will have to research.
>>>> 
>>>> -Eric
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 30, 2021, at 2:14 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> yeah. it's Safari I'm using. I often have trouble with the context menu. 
>>>>> sometimes turning vo off and then back on again helps but it didn't in 
>>>>> this situation. I suppose chrome is accessible or you wouldn't have 
>>>>> recommended it. do you know anything about Brave?
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 30, 2021, at 4:43 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hmmm. That’s weird. What browser are you using? If It’s safari, I have 
>>>>>> found that the context menu sometimes doesn’t work right when it should. 
>>>>>> In fact, the operation of said context menu is inconsistent.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Btw, you might have better luck with Chrome.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Eric
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 29, 2021, at 12:35 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> the link to the book that somebody sent me lets me start playing it but 
>>>>>>> when I hit the context menu to download it, download is not in the 
>>>>>>> menu, just a bunch of stuff about the page.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2021, at 10:28 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> It’s relatively easy. There are going to be several links to a file, 
>>>>>>>> including the torrent one. Choose the most appropriate link and it 
>>>>>>>> should start a download immediately. In the case of media type files, 
>>>>>>>> it might just start playing them in window on you. In that case, hit 
>>>>>>>> VO+SHIFT+M and go to download linked file.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -Eric
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 2021, at 11:04 PM, Lorie McCloud  
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Anybody here know how to download from Internet Archive with a Mac? 
>>>>>>>>> I've heard it's a torrent site so maybe I need a torrent client but 
>>>>>>>>> I'm hoping not.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> thanks.
>>>>>>>>> Lorie
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Re: Mac cleaner

[Eric Oyen]

OK, I’ve been having the same issue. I am running OS X Catalina here, and I 
went to the titanium website and download the appropriate version of ONYX. I 
installed it, went into system preferences and set up accessibility for the 
app. I still get the problem of “onyx has no windows“. I don’t see anything 
else I can do here. Any additional tips or tricks I should be aware of?

– Eric


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> After installing Onyx, go to your system preferences and make sure it has 
> access under accessibility and full disk access. 
> 
>> On Jul 9, 2021, at 01:22, ernest mccullough  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> hello:
>> Can anyone recommend an excellent, free Mac cleaner? I am currently using 
>> the Catalina operating system. I used to love the onyx cleaner under El 
>> Capitan, however, when I install it on Catalina, it just says, onyx has no 
>> windows, which is strange to me. Looking forward to hearing some 
>> recommendations.
>> Best,
>> Ernest.
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Re: Mac cleaner

[Eric Oyen]

OK, this is message number two on the subject.

The only way I can get onyx to run on my Catalina system is that I actually 
have to go view the package contents drop down through the direct restructure 
inside said contents pain, and then select the Onyx units executable and do the 
VO shift M and choose open with and then terminal. That apparently is the only 
way it will run on my Catalina system. Once I am in Onnix,, Any attempt to run 
any of the tools in that pain or any of the other pains inside of Onnix results 
in my system locking up. Voiceover fails, restarts, slows down and then becomes 
unresponsive again ultimately failing and not restarting. Any attempt to 
restart voiceover yields no results. I’m gonna have to try contacting titanium 
software over this. Unfortunately, since Catalina is an older OS, titanium 
software no longer supports any updates or developments on the product specific 
to that OS version. and I don’t have the time, money, or wherewithal to be 
installing the latest and greatest OS from Apple. I have a 2014 Mac mini here 
and it’s just about at its end of life and I don’t have $500 to buy a new one! 
I just want the thing to work. Is that too much to ask?

– Eric

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> On Jul 9, 2021, at 06:08, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> 
> After installing Onyx, go to your system preferences and make sure it has 
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> 
>> On Jul 9, 2021, at 01:22, ernest mccullough  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> hello:
>> Can anyone recommend an excellent, free Mac cleaner? I am currently using 
>> the Catalina operating system. I used to love the onyx cleaner under El 
>> Capitan, however, when I install it on Catalina, it just says, onyx has no 
>> windows, which is strange to me. Looking forward to hearing some 
>> recommendations.
>> Best,
>> Ernest.
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Re: Mac cleaner

[Eric Oyen]

I did exactly that and was faced with “Onyx has no windows.” I removed it from 
the table, uninstalled the application, deleted it from the trashcan and then 
restarted my system. Then I installed the fresh copy, opened system 
preferences, opened the security and privacy applet, tabbed to the table entry 
for accessibility, then tabbed to the lock to unlock, entered my password, then 
tabbed back to the add button, chose Onyx in the open dialog. Made sure it was 
chechmarked and then closed system preferences. I then tried to open the 
application from the applications window in finder. I was again faced with 
“Onyx has no windows”. Also, when I tried to quit onyx in that state, it would 
bonk at me. The only way to quit onyx was to VO+esc and then choose force quit.

Next step, open a terminal window and then type in the complete path to the 
onyx unix executable and then press enter. Onyx would start, ask me for my 
system credentials (password), then present me with the application pane. In 
the toolbar, the first item is marked Onyx and pressing the button inside that 
pane resulted in a dialog announcing itself as “kookoo’s egg. I had to to close 
that as there wasn’t anything useful there to find. So, I tried to run the 
system maintenance scripts (toolbar item 2). Once I hit execute, a dialog box 
would open stating that a system restart would be needed after running the 
scripts. Then another dialog would pop up requesting permission to close all 
windows. At this point, once I hit OK, VoiceOver would stop, then restart with 
a troubleshooter pane, which I would hit OK on, then I would be left in onyx 
only too have VoiceOver freeze up with no way to reset. After 20 minutes, and 
no change to the system, I was forced to power down using the power button and 
restart manually. Trying again with subsequent toolbar items evoked the exact 
same behavior.

There is something very wrong with how onyx works with VoiceOver in Catalina on 
my system. I have never before encountered this behavior in any previous 
version of both the application and the OS.

So, at this point, I am completely at a loss as to how to proceed. Every 
attempt ends in a system lockup that isn’t recoverable without a forced 
restart. I even turned off the screen reader and had my sighted roomie try and 
run it normally, only to have it also present with no visible windows. He also 
even tried my method using the terminal application and running the unix 
executable and was met with the same type of system lockup.

-Eric
 

> On Jul 9, 2021, at 8:12 PM, ernest mccullough  
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> 
> Eric:
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Re: Mac cleaner

[Eric Oyen]

Ok, it was under “disk access” and was not checked. Seems like that’s two 
places inside security and privacy that needs to be looked at. Will try it out 
now and see if it works appropriately.

-Eric


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> Eric:
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Re: How to move data from a notetaker that uses slowly season to function to my MacBook Pro and how to secure this data because it is sensitive.

[Eric Oyen]

You can install macports and then install a package called GPG (Gnu Privacy 
Guard). You can then encrypt your data after creating both a public and private 
key. Then store it on a USB device with a braille tag attached to let you know 
what it is.

If you don’t want to go through the hassles of installing the macports, you can 
order (for relatively cheap) GPG Tools. It can also act to encrypt files, 
emails and even sign apps that you can later verify. I have it here and I use 
it for encrypted emails and digitally signing electronic documents.

-Eric


> On Jul 18, 2021, at 11:32 AM, Maurice Mines  
> wrote:
> 
> Good morning everyone, I am as my subject line states needing to move 
> sensitive data from a notetaker that is slowly ceasing to function. It will 
> be replaced but not with a note taker so I’m wanting to put this data on my 
> MacBook Pro but because it is sensitive data is there a good way to 
> password-protected and/or otherwise secure this data? I look forward to any 
> responses that anyone may have.
> 
> Please note that I’m dictating this to my phone. There may in fact be errors 
> in the above text. If there’s something that you can’t understand, please 
> reach out to me and ask me what my original intent was? Thank you very much 
> for reading this. 
> 
> maurice Mines  
> Maurice mines.
> Board member, National Federation of the blind deaf blind division.
> Vice president National Federation a of the blind of California Bakersfield 
> chapter.
> Amateur radio call sign kd0iko.
> Direct phone number,  661-459-6328. 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 18, 2021, at 10:41 AM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On 17/7/21 6:59 pm, Steve Matzura wrote:
>>> What's popular and usable on MacOS for scanning paper and turning it into 
>>> plain text--e.g., with a handheld camera or a flatbed scanner?
>>> I've read positive reports about ABBYY FineReader for Mac, but I haven't 
>>> used it personally. They have apparently rewritten the user interface and 
>>> have released (or are soon to release) a new version.
>> 
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Re: How to move data from a notetaker that uses slowly season to function to my MacBook Pro and how to secure this data because it is sensitive.

[Eric Oyen]

Ah yes, the Cold War model called “Defense in depth”. Btw, you can also format 
a USB stick as an encrypted filesystem (you would have to go into the advanced 
features on Disk Utility to do this) or you can create an encrypted disk image 
and then write that as a file to the USB stick, then you can open it like 
another drive. I do that a lot here.

-Eric


> On Jul 18, 2021, at 12:17 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I would also recommend GNU Privacy Guard (GPG) for encrypting sensitive 
> personal information. In addition, enabling Fire Vault would be a good idea, 
> if you haven't done so already. This encrypts all of your data files, just in 
> case you accidentally write sensitive information to a file that is not 
> otherwise encrypted.
> 
> 
> On 18/7/21 2:48 pm, Eric Oyen wrote:
>> You can install macports and then install a package called GPG (Gnu Privacy 
>> Guard). You can then encrypt your data after creating both a public and 
>> private key. Then store it on a USB device with a braille tag attached to 
>> let you know what it is.
>> 
>> If you don’t want to go through the hassles of installing the macports, you 
>> can order (for relatively cheap) GPG Tools. It can also act to encrypt 
>> files, emails and even sign apps that you can later verify. I have it here 
>> and I use it for encrypted emails and digitally signing electronic documents.
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 18, 2021, at 11:32 AM, Maurice Mines  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good morning everyone, I am as my subject line states needing to move 
>>> sensitive data from a notetaker that is slowly ceasing to function. It will 
>>> be replaced but not with a note taker so I’m wanting to put this data on my 
>>> MacBook Pro but because it is sensitive data is there a good way to 
>>> password-protected and/or otherwise secure this data? I look forward to any 
>>> responses that anyone may have.
>>> 
>>> Please note that I’m dictating this to my phone. There may in fact be 
>>> errors in the above text. If there’s something that you can’t understand, 
>>> please reach out to me and ask me what my original intent was? Thank you 
>>> very much for reading this.
>>> 
>>> maurice Mines
>>> Maurice mines.
>>> Board member, National Federation of the blind deaf blind division.
>>> Vice president National Federation a of the blind of California Bakersfield 
>>> chapter.
>>> Amateur radio call sign kd0iko.
>>> Direct phone number,  661-459-6328.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 18, 2021, at 10:41 AM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 17/7/21 6:59 pm, Steve Matzura wrote:
>>>>> What's popular and usable on MacOS for scanning paper and turning it into 
>>>>> plain text--e.g., with a handheld camera or a flatbed scanner?
>>>>> I've read positive reports about ABBYY FineReader for Mac, but I haven't 
>>>>> used it personally. They have apparently rewritten the user interface and 
>>>>> have released (or are soon to release) a new version.
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Re: How to move data from a notetaker that uses slowly season to function to my MacBook Pro and how to secure this data because it is sensitive.

[Eric Oyen]

Actually,
Not sure about ICloud, but you can create something akin to it.

You create an encrypted disk image locally, then open it after resenting your 
credentials. Then copy any files to it that you want. Once that is done, close 
and unmount the disk image and then upload it to iCloud as a file. Once there, 
if you have file level access to your iCloud account, you can open it as a 
local virtual disk and (sound trumpets here), TADA! In theory, this should 
work. However, I haven’t tried it as yet.

-Eric


> On Jul 18, 2021, at 12:27 PM,   
> wrote:
> 
> In Windows, OneDrive has a security vault.
> Is there such a thing in iCloud or Word for the Mac?
> Sounds a little less intimidating.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Eric Oyen
> Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 3:25 PM
> To: [MacVisionaries] 
> Subject: Re: How to move data from a notetaker that uses slowly season to 
> function to my MacBook Pro and how to secure this data because it is 
> sensitive.
> 
> Ah yes, the Cold War model called “Defense in depth”. Btw, you can also 
> format a USB stick as an encrypted filesystem (you would have to go into the 
> advanced features on Disk Utility to do this) or you can create an encrypted 
> disk image and then write that as a file to the USB stick, then you can open 
> it like another drive. I do that a lot here.
> 
> -Eric
> 
> 
>> On Jul 18, 2021, at 12:17 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I would also recommend GNU Privacy Guard (GPG) for encrypting sensitive 
>> personal information. In addition, enabling Fire Vault would be a good idea, 
>> if you haven't done so already. This encrypts all of your data files, just 
>> in case you accidentally write sensitive information to a file that is not 
>> otherwise encrypted.
>> 
>> 
>> On 18/7/21 2:48 pm, Eric Oyen wrote:
>>> You can install macports and then install a package called GPG (Gnu Privacy 
>>> Guard). You can then encrypt your data after creating both a public and 
>>> private key. Then store it on a USB device with a braille tag attached to 
>>> let you know what it is.
>>> 
>>> If you don’t want to go through the hassles of installing the macports, you 
>>> can order (for relatively cheap) GPG Tools. It can also act to encrypt 
>>> files, emails and even sign apps that you can later verify. I have it here 
>>> and I use it for encrypted emails and digitally signing electronic 
>>> documents.
>>> 
>>> -Eric
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 18, 2021, at 11:32 AM, Maurice Mines  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Good morning everyone, I am as my subject line states needing to move 
>>>> sensitive data from a notetaker that is slowly ceasing to function. It 
>>>> will be replaced but not with a note taker so I’m wanting to put this data 
>>>> on my MacBook Pro but because it is sensitive data is there a good way to 
>>>> password-protected and/or otherwise secure this data? I look forward to 
>>>> any responses that anyone may have.
>>>> 
>>>> Please note that I’m dictating this to my phone. There may in fact be 
>>>> errors in the above text. If there’s something that you can’t understand, 
>>>> please reach out to me and ask me what my original intent was? Thank you 
>>>> very much for reading this.
>>>> 
>>>> maurice Mines
>>>> Maurice mines.
>>>> Board member, National Federation of the blind deaf blind division.
>>>> Vice president National Federation a of the blind of California 
>>>> Bakersfield chapter.
>>>> Amateur radio call sign kd0iko.
>>>> Direct phone number,  661-459-6328.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 18, 2021, at 10:41 AM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 17/7/21 6:59 pm, Steve Matzura wrote:
>>>>>> What's popular and usable on MacOS for scanning paper and turning it 
>>>>>> into plain text--e.g., with a handheld camera or a flatbed scanner?
>>>>>> I've read positive reports about ABBYY FineReader for Mac, but I haven't 
>>>>>> used it personally. They have apparently rewritten the user interface 
>>>>>> and have released (or are soon to release) a new version.
>>>>> -- 
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Re: How to move data from a notetaker that uses slowly season to function to my MacBook Pro and how to secure this data because it is sensitive.

[Eric Oyen]

Well, an encrypted disk image is exactly that. It behaves exactly like a real 
disk in all aspects, save one: it’s a file with a filesystem inside it. Now, a 
VM is entirely different. We are talking about a virtual machine environment 
here. It will have a CPU, video, and all the other devices of a traditional 
machine, only emulated in software. And yeah, a VM can use virtual disks (as 
described here). So, that is the difference: one is a virtual machine complete 
with all the parts, and the other is a filesystem inside a container file.

-Eric


> On Jul 18, 2021, at 12:51 PM,   
> wrote:
> 
> I imagine creating an encrypted disk is like creating a VM
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Eric Oyen
> Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 3:41 PM
> To: [MacVisionaries] 
> Subject: Re: How to move data from a notetaker that uses slowly season to 
> function to my MacBook Pro and how to secure this data because it is 
> sensitive.
> 
> Actually,
> Not sure about ICloud, but you can create something akin to it.
> 
> You create an encrypted disk image locally, then open it after resenting your 
> credentials. Then copy any files to it that you want. Once that is done, 
> close and unmount the disk image and then upload it to iCloud as a file. Once 
> there, if you have file level access to your iCloud account, you can open it 
> as a local virtual disk and (sound trumpets here), TADA! In theory, this 
> should work. However, I haven’t tried it as yet.
> 
> -Eric
> 
> 
>> On Jul 18, 2021, at 12:27 PM,  
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> In Windows, OneDrive has a security vault.
>> Is there such a thing in iCloud or Word for the Mac?
>> Sounds a little less intimidating.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of Eric Oyen
>> Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 3:25 PM
>> To: [MacVisionaries] 
>> Subject: Re: How to move data from a notetaker that uses slowly season to 
>> function to my MacBook Pro and how to secure this data because it is 
>> sensitive.
>> 
>> Ah yes, the Cold War model called “Defense in depth”. Btw, you can also 
>> format a USB stick as an encrypted filesystem (you would have to go into the 
>> advanced features on Disk Utility to do this) or you can create an encrypted 
>> disk image and then write that as a file to the USB stick, then you can open 
>> it like another drive. I do that a lot here.
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 18, 2021, at 12:17 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would also recommend GNU Privacy Guard (GPG) for encrypting sensitive 
>>> personal information. In addition, enabling Fire Vault would be a good 
>>> idea, if you haven't done so already. This encrypts all of your data files, 
>>> just in case you accidentally write sensitive information to a file that is 
>>> not otherwise encrypted.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 18/7/21 2:48 pm, Eric Oyen wrote:
>>>> You can install macports and then install a package called GPG (Gnu 
>>>> Privacy Guard). You can then encrypt your data after creating both a 
>>>> public and private key. Then store it on a USB device with a braille tag 
>>>> attached to let you know what it is.
>>>> 
>>>> If you don’t want to go through the hassles of installing the macports, 
>>>> you can order (for relatively cheap) GPG Tools. It can also act to encrypt 
>>>> files, emails and even sign apps that you can later verify. I have it here 
>>>> and I use it for encrypted emails and digitally signing electronic 
>>>> documents.
>>>> 
>>>> -Eric
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 18, 2021, at 11:32 AM, Maurice Mines  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Good morning everyone, I am as my subject line states needing to move 
>>>>> sensitive data from a notetaker that is slowly ceasing to function. It 
>>>>> will be replaced but not with a note taker so I’m wanting to put this 
>>>>> data on my MacBook Pro but because it is sensitive data is there a good 
>>>>> way to password-protected and/or otherwise secure this data? I look 
>>>>> forward to any responses that anyone may have.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Please note that I’m dictating this to my phone. There may in fact be 
>>>>> errors in the above text. If there’s something that you can’t understand, 
>>>>> please reach out to me and ask me what my or

Re: Parler Social in Safari accessibility

[Eric Oyen]

I gave up on it because of the captcha. I have no visual help here. There have 
been numerous attempts by me to contact the company that created the Parler 
network, but all they have are online forms that also use a visual only 
captcha. Seriously, for a social network that wants everyone to join, they are 
doing a good job of locking out the blind.

Btw, I tried on chrome, safari, Firefox and even Microsoft edge on windows. No 
way around the captcha and the app isn’t helpful on the iPhone either as a 
captcha is required there too. g.

-Eric


> On Jun 21, 2020, at 3:23 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Does anyone use Parler Social on the mac via safari?  i’ve just signed up to 
> it but it’s really hard to use.  There was also a captcha without audio 
> alternative & I had to use sighted help to sign up.  Any experience or tip 
> would be helpful.
> 
> Thank you
> 
> Andrew
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Re: Parler Social in Safari accessibility

[Eric Oyen]

Well,
They need to have the audio alternative captcha available for a start. Then 
they need to setup the page similar to the look (although not the feel) of 
either Facebook or twitter (both of which I find rather easy to get around in 
these days).

Now, as for their app, it’s going to have to be massively corrected. All 
buttons properly labeled, all edit boxes fully accessible regardless of screen 
reader mode, an audio alternative captcha to also be made available, etc. Also, 
any and all other form controls, popup boxes, picker items, etc to be made 
fully accessible and fully tested.

Yes, I know, it’s a lot of work, but these guys need to know that we are a 
growing population class on the web and our voices carry weight now. You might 
want to inform them that the entirety of the disabled population inside the US 
represents slightly more than $185 Billion annually and that this figure is 
growing. The blind alone represent nearly 3/5ths of that figure (because of our 
influence with friends, families, associates and their friends). So, to that 
end, we, as a class, represent a non-trivial percentage of the overall 
population and also represent a very substantial spending base. Just on those 
points alone, there should be sufficient justification to fix the problems 
while they are still cheap to fix.

-Eric


> On Jun 22, 2020, at 3:51 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Eric,
> 
> I asked sighted assistance to go past the captcha both in Safari and in 
> Parler iphone app.  There’ are huge accessibility issues with the mobile app 
> in that lots of buttons and tabs are not labelled.  In safari, I’ve managed 
> to find some people to follow and even send some posts but it’s very hit and 
> miss.  I do hope the developers are going to be receptive or else we will be 
> locked out of Parler altogether.
> 
> Andrew
>> On 22 Jun 2020, at 03:04, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>> 
>> I gave up on it because of the captcha. I have no visual help here. There 
>> have been numerous attempts by me to contact the company that created the 
>> Parler network, but all they have are online forms that also use a visual 
>> only captcha. Seriously, for a social network that wants everyone to join, 
>> they are doing a good job of locking out the blind.
>> 
>> Btw, I tried on chrome, safari, Firefox and even Microsoft edge on windows. 
>> No way around the captcha and the app isn’t helpful on the iPhone either as 
>> a captcha is required there too. g.
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 21, 2020, at 3:23 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Does anyone use Parler Social on the mac via safari?  i’ve just signed up 
>>> to it but it’s really hard to use.  There was also a captcha without audio 
>>> alternative & I had to use sighted help to sign up.  Any experience or tip 
>>> would be helpful.
>>> 
>>> Thank you
>>> 
>>> Andrew
>>> 
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Re: Moderator Note - Signatures and Politics etc on the List

[Eric Oyen]

Hmmm.
Never caught that thread. Usually, when I see politics, I simply delete and 
move on. Political discussions often devolve into meaningless arguments, 
insults, name calling, labeling and argumentative fallacies. I get enough of 
that on Facebook, twitter, tick tock, snapchat, what sap, and LinkedIn.

I think the only exception is politics but only where apple and it’s products 
are concerned, BUT ONLY THAT. Once it goes OT, then that’s where it needs to 
end. Mind you, this is just my opinion.

Anyway, don’t drop off the list because of politics. Simply delete the thread 
and move on. Believe me, it cuts down on the stress and gives you some control.

Just my 2 cents worth.

-Eric


> On Jul 2, 2020, at 11:05 AM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
> 
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> 
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> That is our purpose.
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Re: Enough is Enough.

[Eric Oyen]

Actually, Clara did respond and advised cessation of the politics. I added my 2 
cents worth afterward. Honestly, Politics doesn’t have anything to do with Mac 
accessibility, except where the law is concerned with accessibility in general. 
Anything else outside of that is just arguing to be arguing.

Anyway, the list owners have seen it and addressed it (I hope).

-Eric


> On Jul 2, 2020, at 3:52 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Listers,
> 
> I'm going to ask this for the list and of the entire list!
> 
> As we've not been able to get hold of mark or Cara and we can't say they are 
> ignoring this thread as we don't know what their current situation is.
> 
> So as adults and in most cases respectfull of eachother,
> 
> I'd like to ask that we just 'STOP"  this post.
> 
> That way we can get rid of the related signature issue.
> 
> To those folks interested in the FireFox on the mac thread,
> Can we either start a new thread or change the signature to reflect a new 
> start?
> 
> As for the other issue,
> Please lets after this leave it alone and with luck it will die a natural 
> death!
> 
> Note we have already lost a number of members that we will miss and that were 
> / are part of the list family.
> 
> Time is to short these days for us to deal with this type of thing and I 
> advise people that if you get an email with any type of discriminatory or 
> racist / religious signature that you don't agree with,
> 
> Hit the delete button on it and don't worry about commenting,
> Remember ignorance is bliss and we all have times of blissness.
> 
> Thanks and I'm sorry to go on about this, 
> 
> But I have enough shit in my own life that I don't need to add this to it 
> also.
> 
> Take care and enjoy the world as a whole.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Robin
> Sent: Friday, 3 July 2020 5:07 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac
> 
> MayBe that Person should Create a   NEW Thread, as This1 is Serverely 
> Derailed?
> Just Sayin
> 
> I  tried  & attempted to get This Thread Back On Track  to No Avail
> 
> At 10:00 AM 7/2/2020, you wrote:
>>Ok. To get this back on track, could someone please repost the 
>> original article on Firefox. This is of great interest to me. I have 
>> been messing with FF on the Mac for a long time and accessibility is 
>> finally improving again with VoiceOver. It’s actually to the point 
>> of being quite usable.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>> 
>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>> 
>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>> 
>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2020, at 12:56 PM, 'E.T.' via
>> MacVisionaries  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Cara Quinn, owner and Mark Taylor. 
>> moderator, their contact information is in the footer. And I doubt 
>> very much they support hatred.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Freedom of Speech Carries With
>>> It Implicit Responsibility.
>>> 
>>> On 7/2/2020 9:41 AM, Robin wrote:
 "Who" are The Moderators of This MailingList?
 &
 Wonder if "They" support The Views  of
>> TheMembers/Subscribers, which would be The Reason, "Why" they are 
>> Allowing This Thread to Continue
 EvenThough
 it's OFF Topic/Subject
 I've tried to Steer this Thread Back ON Topic/Subject to No Avail 
 At 04:05 AM 7/2/2020, you wrote:
> No that̢۪s why I̢۪m sorry Jsorry Julie,
> 
> I and a few others have tried and people are not stopping.
> I believe it is time
>  To block the sender and trash their emails,
> 
> Which I hate to say could cause me to miss
>> emails of interest from other members.it̢۪s just so interesting to 
>> hear how theseese perfect people react, must be difficult living in 
>> their close minded worlds.
> 
> Simon F
> *From:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>  *On Behalf Of *Julie Rattray
> *Sent:* Thursday, 2 July 2020 11:00 PM
> *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Endding the RE: article on
>> Firefox accessibility on the mac
> 
> It was not you that made people leave it is
>> rather the lack of a moderator stopping this I think that is the issue
> 
> 
>   On 2 Jul 2020, at 11:57, Simon A Fogarty    > wrote:
> 
>   Brad, please pass on my apologies to this person for them 
> leaving,
> 
>   That wasn̢۪t my intention to make it happen.
>> .
>   Regards,
> 
> 
>   Simon F
> 
> 
>   From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>   
>      > On Behalf Of Brad Snyder
>   Sent: Thursday, 2 

Accessibility issues inside the amazon application

[Eric Oyen]

Hello all,

Recently, I had a bit of a go around with disability support on amazon. 
Essentially, I was confronted with their captcha system when trying to get the 
app to log in. After the password was accepted, the captcha came up and I 
tapped the audio alternative, only to be confronted with a page that stated 
“the page you requested does not exist”. After calling amazon customer support, 
I was told there wasn’t anything they could do about this currently.

So, are there apps on the App Store that anyone knows of that can read a 
captcha and solve it? I tried finding a few, only to end up with a lot of 
search results for image rendering, editing and the like. Not one single solver 
in the bunch.

Honestly, this is very frustrating and the fact that amazon is so big that they 
feel they can flout the law makes it even more so. Any suggestions or help 
would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Eric

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Re: Accessibility issues inside the amazon application

[Eric Oyen]

Problem is that the captcha malfunction has even happened inside the amazon app 
itself (tried today after getting account services to release the security 
lockout on my account, only to face the captcha and then run into the 
“non-existent” page issue when I tried for the audio alternative. So, 
basically, this means I can’t even use the app.

-Eric


> On Aug 13, 2020, at 8:37 PM, Tim M  wrote:
> 
> That is why I use my phone ap to buy from them.
>> On Aug 13, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>> 
>> Not personally surprised  the so called captcha solutions have been 
>> nonfunctional for several months now at least.
>> My conversations with Amazon indicate their disability team exists to put 
>> items in carts, not to address correct or impact any aspect of inclusion at 
>> all.
>> Kare
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, 13 Aug 2020, Eric Oyen wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> Recently, I had a bit of a go around with disability support on amazon. 
>>> Essentially, I was confronted with their captcha system when trying to get 
>>> the app to log in. After the password was accepted, the captcha came up and 
>>> I tapped the audio alternative, only to be confronted with a page that 
>>> stated “the page you requested does not exist”. After calling amazon 
>>> customer support, I was told there wasn’t anything they could do about this 
>>> currently.
>>> 
>>> So, are there apps on the App Store that anyone knows of that can read a 
>>> captcha and solve it? I tried finding a few, only to end up with a lot of 
>>> search results for image rendering, editing and the like. Not one single 
>>> solver in the bunch.
>>> 
>>> Honestly, this is very frustrating and the fact that amazon is so big that 
>>> they feel they can flout the law makes it even more so. Any suggestions or 
>>> help would be greatly appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Eric
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Re: Zoom on a Mac

[Eric Oyen]

Big giant question, which package do I choose out of the App Store here. 
Several meet the conditions for the name and all appear to have similar 
features but none of them are expkicitly named zoom.

-Eric


> On Aug 21, 2020, at 6:07 AM, Robert Carter  wrote:
> 
> Hi Lorie,
> 
> VO+space on your name to bring up the profile menu. Interact with the 
> personal note item. You can then vo+right arrow to get to an edit box where 
> you can type. If you VO+right arrow again, you will get to a clear button 
> where you can clear the edit box if needed.
> 
> Robert Carter
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 20, 2020, at 9:17 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm trying to change something in my profile on Zoom on my Mac. I've tried 
>> to do this before on IOS but it doesn't seem to work. anyway, when I've 
>> entered "my profile" even if I interact I can't go beyond "add a personal 
>> note." vo will read me everything but I can't focus the keyboard on what I 
>> want to open. how is this done?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
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Re: Zoom on a Mac

[Eric Oyen]

thanks. Honestly, they really should take advantage of apples App Store for 
things like this. Then again, perhaps they don’t like the draconian control 
that apple has over said store. Anyway, I’ll find the right package and install 
it.

-Eric


> On Aug 22, 2020, at 5:52 AM, Kerryann Ifill  wrote:
> 
> Hi Eric,
> 
> Don’t use the App Store. Go to zoom.us <http://zoom.us/> website and the 
> correct installation will be available under the “downloads” section.
> 
> Regards
> Kerry
> 
>> On 21 Aug 2020, at 4:05 PM, Eric Oyen > <mailto:eric.o...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Big giant question, which package do I choose out of the App Store here. 
>> Several meet the conditions for the name and all appear to have similar 
>> features but none of them are expkicitly named zoom.
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 21, 2020, at 6:07 AM, Robert Carter >> <mailto:nc5rn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Lorie,
>>> 
>>> VO+space on your name to bring up the profile menu. Interact with the 
>>> personal note item. You can then vo+right arrow to get to an edit box where 
>>> you can type. If you VO+right arrow again, you will get to a clear button 
>>> where you can clear the edit box if needed.
>>> 
>>> Robert Carter
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 20, 2020, at 9:17 PM, Lorie McCloud >>> <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I'm trying to change something in my profile on Zoom on my Mac. I've tried 
>>>> to do this before on IOS but it doesn't seem to work. anyway, when I've 
>>>> entered "my profile" even if I interact I can't go beyond "add a personal 
>>>> note." vo will read me everything but I can't focus the keyboard on what I 
>>>> want to open. how is this done?
>>>> 
>>>> thanks.
>>>> Lorie
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Exporting as pdf in mail app questions

[Eric Oyen]

Hello folks,
I have a question about exporting pdf files from mail. It gets the subject just 
fine, but what I want the export tool to also get is the date and who sent the 
email made as part of the filename with the date being first, name being second 
and subject being last.

Anyone have any good ideas on how to accomplish this?

-Eric

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Re: More on my Win Clone problem. Please read below?

[Eric Oyen]

I might be able to help a bit. If they have an audio captcha, I can send them a 
message for you. You might have to send me the info in a private mail.

-Eric


> On Nov 2, 2020, at 12:18 AM, Maurice Mines  wrote:
> 
> I found the company that makes the software. But it appears that I'm unable 
> to write them an email because they require a capsha yes they do have it for 
> someone who is just normally blind, or two in my neck of the woods as"hearing 
> blind" and I am actually deaf blind meaning that the verification is in 
> accessible for me. Any thoughts or should I call somebody that knows the law 
> very well. Now I'm just extremely took off because all I need is my stupid 
> license key and I'm not infinitely wealthy they just re-purchase the software.
> 
> Sincerely Maurice Mines
> Please note that the above text has been dictated to the computer by means 
> built-in dictation software. If there's something written above that you 
> can't understand, please ask me what my original intent was? I will do 
> everything I can to clear up any misunderstandings that may arise from the 
> above text. Thank you very much for reading this.
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Re: Deeper look at Apple’s recent server outage reveals potential Mac privacy concerns

[Eric Oyen]

Hmmm,

I wonder what ports and protocols are used? That information might make it 
possible for me to configure my hardware firewall for proper permissions. As 
far as I am concerned, apple only needs to know if any of their system apps 
crash.

-Eric


> On Nov 13, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Deeper look at Apple’s recent server outage reveals potential Mac privacy 
> concerns
> Michael Potuck 
> 
> As Apple launched its new macOS operating system to the public yesterday, 
> serious server outages occurred that saw widespread Big Sur download/install 
> failures, iMessage and Apple Pay go down but more than that, even performance 
> issues for users running macOS Catalina and earlier. We learned why that 
> happened at a high-level yesterday, now a security researcher has shared a 
> deep-dive along with his privacy and security concerns for Macs, especially 
> Apple Silicon ones.
> 
> 
> Not long after macOS Big Sur officially launched for all users, we started 
> seeing reports of extremely slow download times, download failures 
> ,
>  and in the cases that the download did go through, an error at the end that 
> prevented installation 
> .
> 
> At the same time, we saw Apple’s Developer website go down, followed by 
> outages for iMessage, Apple Maps, Apple Pay, Apple Card, and some Developer 
> services. Then the reports flooded in about third-party apps on Macs running 
> Catalina and earlier not launching or hanging and other sluggish performance.
> 
> Here are the latest details on Apple outages affecting Mac apps, Big Sur 
> updates, iMessage, and more 
> 
> Developer Jeff Johnson was one of the first to point out 
>  what was 
> going on: an issue with Macs connecting to an Apple server: OCSP. Then 
> developer Panic elaborated that it had to do with Apple’s Gatekeeper feature 
> checking for app validity 
> .
> 
> Now security researcher and hacker Jeffry Paul 
>  has published an 
> in-depth look at what he saw happen and his related privacy and security 
> concerns in his post “Your Computer Isn’t Yours.” 
> 
> On modern versions of macOS, you simply can’t power on your computer, launch 
> a text editor or eBook reader, and write or read, without a log of your 
> activity being transmitted and stored.
> 
> It turns out that in the current version of the macOS, the OS sends to Apple 
> a hash (unique identifier) of each and every program you run, when you run 
> it. Lots of people didn’t realize this, because it’s silent and invisible and 
> it fails instantly and gracefully when you’re offline, but today the server 
> got really slow and it didn’t hit the fail-fast code path, and everyone’s 
> apps failed to open if they were connected to the internet.
> 
> He goes on to explain what Apple sees from the process:
> 
> Because it does this using the internet, the server sees your IP, of course, 
> and knows what time the request came in. An IP address allows for coarse, 
> city-level and ISP-level geolocation, and allows for a table that has the 
> following headings:
> 
> Date, Time, Computer, ISP, City, State, Application Hash
> 
> This means that Apple knows when you’re at home. When you’re at work. What 
> apps you open there, and how often. They know when you open Premiere over at 
> a friend’s house on their Wi-Fi, and they know when you open Tor Browser in a 
> hotel on a trip to another city.
> 
> Paul continues by posing the argument many readers might be thinking: “Who 
> cares?” He answers that by explaining that OCSP requests are unencrypted and 
> it’s not just Apple who has access to the data:
> 
> 1. These OCSP requests are transmitted unencrypted. Everyone who can see the 
> network can see these, including your ISP and anyone who has tapped their 
> cables .
> 
> 2. These requests go to a third-party CDN run by another company, Akamai.
> 
> 3. Since October of 2012, Apple is a partner in the US military intelligence 
> community’s PRISM spying program 
> , which grants 
> the US federal police and military unfettered access to this data without a 
> warrant, any time they ask for it. In the first half of 2019 they did this 
> over 18,000 times, and another 17,500+ times in the second half of 2019. 
> 
> This data amounts to a tremendous trove of data about your life and habits

Re: Apple Mail on Bigsur: where have All Archive, All Bin, and All Junk gone?

[Eric Oyen]

Wow, instead of just displaying them by default, you now have to add them to 
see them. Just so cute, Apple Inc! It’s these types of interface changes 
without prior notice that are the bane of many blind users existence. It means 
having to relearn the interface, or if possible, resetting back to the classic 
interface Some web interfaces are also this way (gmail, hotmail, etc) and no 
longer allow access to their “classic look”. Speaking of gmail, they do have a 
text only interface, but it doesn’t have near the functionality of the full 
interface on settings, etc. So, use the basic and be limited, or use the full 
display and be lost.

-Eric


> On Nov 16, 2020, at 5:42 AM, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I have now fixed this problem. In Apple Mail go to the list of Mail boxes and 
> just before All Inboxes you will see Favourites with an Add button. Activate 
> this Add button and you will see a list of other possible mail boxes. This 
> list includes All Junk, All Archive, and All Bins. Select these and all will 
> then be well.
> Best … Paul Hopewell
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Re: Favorite Mac Twitter client?

[Eric Oyen]

I also use night owl and was one of it’s earliest adopters back when OS X Lion 
was King. :) Other than a few hiccups (like not completely following twitter 
API when it comes to counting characters on hashtags and names) it’s been ok.

-Eric


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> I agree I have tried both night owl and twitterific and find night owl the 
> most intuitive to use
> 
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>> wrote:
>> 
>> I use Night Owl. I've been using it ever since I created my Twitter account 
>> back in 2014. If you're familiar with it, I wouldn't use any other Twitter 
>> client.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Shawn,
>> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
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>> Want to join my WhatsApp groups such as Echo Enthusiasts, Accessibility 
>> Matters, Mac Users And Newbies or the Tech Zone? Send me a private email 
>> with your contact information and the group you wish to join and I'll 
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>> 
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>> 
>>> On Nov 23, 2020, at 2:35 PM, Herbie Allen >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Twitterific. It has an accessible layout. 
>>> 
>>> Herbie
>>> 
 On Nov 23, 2020, at 14:26, Traci Duncan >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi all, Now that I’m running the latest oporating system, I have options 
 in a Twitter client. Which are your favorites and why?
 
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Re: youTube to Mp3

[Eric Oyen]

handbrake. That’s my go to app. Get a copy of the video from YouTube using a 
downloader and then run it through handbrake.

-Eric


> On Dec 5, 2020, at 3:02 PM, Christina  wrote:
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> Greetings,
> 
> Can someone please either tell me how to  or recommend an accessible Mac or 
> iOS app to turn a video on youTube into an audio only Mp3. 
> 
> Thanks so much because this video isn't something I can purchase anywhere and 
> I only need the audio since I can't see the video.
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Re: basic finder question

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Actually, I open up terminal and then cd to the folder I want. In there, I 
issue the command: mv file1 /path/to/folder/ and hit the enter key. It’s easy 
peasy.

-Eric


> On Jun 22, 2022, at 11:07 AM, Andrew Leland  wrote:
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> Hey all,
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> I'm a lifelong sighted Mac user currently in the process of becoming a blind 
> Mac user. I've also decided to learn JAWS (even though I would've never dream 
> of switching to Windows otherwise) since I can't avoid MS Word in my work and 
> I've been gobsmacked by how frequently Word for Mac stops working compared to 
> Scrivener, which is my main workhorse word processor. (also finding some of 
> the JAWS navigation, especially on the web, more reliable and intuitive than 
> VoiceOver for MacOS).
> 
> Anyway none of this has anything to do with my question for you, which is as 
> follows: 
> 
> is there any way to move items in the finder without just copying, deleting, 
> then pasting in the new location? I know in Windows you can "cut" a file and 
> then "paste" it elsewhere, removing this middle step of having to then go 
> back and delete the file... I have half-heartedly tried reading the apple 
> documentation about dragging and dropping with VoiceOver but I haven't had 
> the courage to try. is it more efficient than copy file, paste file, delete 
> file in the finder?
> 
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Re: YouTube audio grabber

[Eric Oyen]

Actually, if you can install wget, you can acquire the video file and then use 
ffmpeg on it to break out the audio only. I have done this downloading 
audiobooks from YouTube. Works like a charm.

-Eric


> On Jul 3, 2022, at 8:49 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
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> I just took out a YouTube premium free trial for purposes of downloading 
> YouTube video material. Unfortunately, I found that it only makes it 
> available off-line through the YouTube app and you can’t actually manipulate 
> the file in anyway. All I’m really looking for is to get the audio of certain 
> videos. There used to be audio grabbers for YouTube are there still? Is there 
> a good one I can use and I primarily use iOS, but I can use the Mac as well. 
> Any help appreciated 
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
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Re: YouTube audio grabber

[Eric Oyen]

Btw, I also have an alternative that I use. Download using wget and then open 
for streaming/saving in VLC. From there, choose audio and the bitrate and 
choose a location to save. It should open up a dialog that will allow you to 
choose the location and the filename you want to save it as.

Hope that helps.

-Eric


> On Jul 4, 2022, at 6:02 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> Then you should know how to do that on the Mac.
> And also the right commands for wget and ffmpeg.
> /A
> 
>> 4 juli 2022 kl. 13:18 skrev Eric Oyen :
>> 
>> Actually, if you can install wget, you can acquire the video file and then 
>> use ffmpeg on it to break out the audio only. I have done this downloading 
>> audiobooks from YouTube. Works like a charm.
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 3, 2022, at 8:49 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just took out a YouTube premium free trial for purposes of downloading 
>>> YouTube video material. Unfortunately, I found that it only makes it 
>>> available off-line through the YouTube app and you can’t actually 
>>> manipulate the file in anyway. All I’m really looking for is to get the 
>>> audio of certain videos. There used to be audio grabbers for YouTube are 
>>> there still? Is there a good one I can use and I primarily use iOS, but I 
>>> can use the Mac as well. Any help appreciated 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my IPhone
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Re: YouTube audio grabber

[Eric Oyen]

hehehe. I’ve been in computers since the Altair’s kit computer of the mid 70’s. 
I haven’t stopped and am unlikely to right up to the point when they pry my 
keyboard out of my cold dead hands. :)

I’ve managed to keep up with the technology, but some days I still scratch my 
head wondering how many people even manage to use what they got now. Hardly 
anyone learns about what happens under the hood anymore and simply becomes an 
appliance user. Meh, what the hell, I’m an old hacker and probably always will 
be one.

-Eric


> On Jul 4, 2022, at 8:23 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
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> Hi Eric, there was a time, back when I actually worked with computers for a 
> living, that I would’ve been very interested in doing that. Now though, I’m 
> like the car mechanic who quit the profession, forgot most of what he knew, 
> and just wants to drive the damn things.  Thanks anyway🙂
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Jul 4, 2022, at 9:18 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>> 
>> Btw, I also have an alternative that I use. Download using wget and then 
>> open for streaming/saving in VLC. From there, choose audio and the bitrate 
>> and choose a location to save. It should open up a dialog that will allow 
>> you to choose the location and the filename you want to save it as.
>> 
>> Hope that helps.
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 4, 2022, at 6:02 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Then you should know how to do that on the Mac.
>>> And also the right commands for wget and ffmpeg.
>>> /A
>>> 
>>>>> 4 juli 2022 kl. 13:18 skrev Eric Oyen :
>>>> 
>>>> Actually, if you can install wget, you can acquire the video file and then 
>>>> use ffmpeg on it to break out the audio only. I have done this downloading 
>>>> audiobooks from YouTube. Works like a charm.
>>>> 
>>>> -Eric
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 3, 2022, at 8:49 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I just took out a YouTube premium free trial for purposes of downloading 
>>>>> YouTube video material. Unfortunately, I found that it only makes it 
>>>>> available off-line through the YouTube app and you can’t actually 
>>>>> manipulate the file in anyway. All I’m really looking for is to get the 
>>>>> audio of certain videos. There used to be audio grabbers for YouTube are 
>>>>> there still? Is there a good one I can use and I primarily use iOS, but I 
>>>>> can use the Mac as well. Any help appreciated 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my IPhone
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Re: YouTube audio grabber

[Eric Oyen]

You could, but then you start running into complications. Btw, VLC won’t 
capture from a YouTube stream. I know, I tried.

-Eric


> On Jul 4, 2022, at 10:13 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Can’t you do stream it via vlc and do some capturing at the same time?
> /A
> 
>> 4 juli 2022 kl. 15:18 skrev Eric Oyen :
>> 
>> Btw, I also have an alternative that I use. Download using wget and then 
>> open for streaming/saving in VLC. From there, choose audio and the bitrate 
>> and choose a location to save. It should open up a dialog that will allow 
>> you to choose the location and the filename you want to save it as.
>> 
>> Hope that helps.
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 4, 2022, at 6:02 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Then you should know how to do that on the Mac.
>>> And also the right commands for wget and ffmpeg.
>>> /A
>>> 
>>>> 4 juli 2022 kl. 13:18 skrev Eric Oyen :
>>>> 
>>>> Actually, if you can install wget, you can acquire the video file and then 
>>>> use ffmpeg on it to break out the audio only. I have done this downloading 
>>>> audiobooks from YouTube. Works like a charm.
>>>> 
>>>> -Eric
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 3, 2022, at 8:49 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I just took out a YouTube premium free trial for purposes of downloading 
>>>>> YouTube video material. Unfortunately, I found that it only makes it 
>>>>> available off-line through the YouTube app and you can’t actually 
>>>>> manipulate the file in anyway. All I’m really looking for is to get the 
>>>>> audio of certain videos. There used to be audio grabbers for YouTube are 
>>>>> there still? Is there a good one I can use and I primarily use iOS, but I 
>>>>> can use the Mac as well. Any help appreciated 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my IPhone
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Re: YouTube audio grabber

[Eric Oyen]

Thanks,
That was the other one I was trying to remember. Installed it via brew since 
the macports version of it appeared broken.

-Eric


> On Jul 4, 2022, at 10:59 AM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
> 
> There is an app called Youtube-dl.  You can install this through Home-brew in 
> the Terminal.  It is pretty easy to use, but it is a command line tool, so 
> you will need to be comfortable with Terminal.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
>> On Jul 4, 2022, at 1:08 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Could you use Audio Hijac for that purpose.
>> It might take some time but I guess that could work.
>> Or maybe VLC which can grab from the internet.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 4 juli 2022 kl. 17:23 skrev Phil Halton :
>>> 
>>> Hi Eric, there was a time, back when I actually worked with computers for a 
>>> living, that I would’ve been very interested in doing that. Now though, I’m 
>>> like the car mechanic who quit the profession, forgot most of what he knew, 
>>> and just wants to drive the damn things.  Thanks anyway🙂
>>> 
>>> Sent from my IPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 4, 2022, at 9:18 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Btw, I also have an alternative that I use. Download using wget and then 
>>>> open for streaming/saving in VLC. From there, choose audio and the bitrate 
>>>> and choose a location to save. It should open up a dialog that will allow 
>>>> you to choose the location and the filename you want to save it as.
>>>> 
>>>> Hope that helps.
>>>> 
>>>> -Eric
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 4, 2022, at 6:02 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi!
>>>>> Then you should know how to do that on the Mac.
>>>>> And also the right commands for wget and ffmpeg.
>>>>> /A
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 4 juli 2022 kl. 13:18 skrev Eric Oyen :
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Actually, if you can install wget, you can acquire the video file and 
>>>>>> then use ffmpeg on it to break out the audio only. I have done this 
>>>>>> downloading audiobooks from YouTube. Works like a charm.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Eric
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jul 3, 2022, at 8:49 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I just took out a YouTube premium free trial for purposes of 
>>>>>>> downloading YouTube video material. Unfortunately, I found that it only 
>>>>>>> makes it available off-line through the YouTube app and you can’t 
>>>>>>> actually manipulate the file in anyway. All I’m really looking for is 
>>>>>>> to get the audio of certain videos. There used to be audio grabbers for 
>>>>>>> YouTube are there still? Is there a good one I can use and I primarily 
>>>>>>> use iOS, but I can use the Mac as well. Any help appreciated 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my IPhone
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Re: Creating Screen Recordings on Mac

[Eric Oyen]

I use QuickTime player myself. In some ways, its a bit faster than trying to go 
through the built-in routines. It does not, however, allow one to select a 
single app only, so maximizing the app and moving it to the front is a big help.

Didn’t know about the package called loopback. Hopefully, they have a Catalina 
supported version (I can’t upgrade any further unless I have $500 or more to 
upgrade my Mac mini to one of the M1/M2 based units).

-Eric


> On Aug 4, 2022, at 8:32 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> Good idea going with full screen. 
> 
>  Later... 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 4, 2022, at 9:09 PM, Brandon Olivares > > wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks. No I only need my microphone 
>> recorded.
>> 
>> Should I put the window into full screen mode to make sure nothing 
>> superfluous is being recorded? I'd rather not have other application windows 
>> showing up in the recording if I can help it.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Brandon
>>> On Aug 4, 2022, at 11:03 PM, Matthew Whitaker 
>>> mailto:matthew.whitaker2...@gmail.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi. I would make it so it records the entire screen. That way you know 
>>> everything is being recorded. Once selected, go into the options and you 
>>> can choose your sound input and output device. If you would like to get 
>>> more than one source captured as far as audio goes, there are different 
>>> ways of getting that done… one of those things is using a software called 
>>> Loop Back.
>>> Rogue Amoeba | Loopback: Cable-Free Audio Routing 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 4, 2022, at 9:38 PM, Brandon Olivares >>> > wrote:
 
 Hey everyone,
 
 I'm trying to figure out how to perform screen recordings on the Mac. I 
 know cmd+shift+5 brings up the options but I'm not sure how to configure 
 it. I need to do a recording in Chrome, with audio enabled.
 
 I'm not sure whether to select to record the whole screen, or how I can 
 just select to record the Chrome window. I selected “record selected 
 portion of screen” but couldn't see how to select anything.
 
 Any tips would be appreciated. I'm trying to create a YouTube video 
 demonstrating how to use something. If there's a better way I should be 
 going about this, please let me know.
 
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Re: I have just discovered that I can launch VoiceOver in safe mode using Apple Silicon

[Eric Oyen]

Ok,, this might work for previous versions. Did you do the usual cmd+F5 or 
something else?

-Eric


> On Oct 4, 2022, at 9:34 PM, Michael Marshall  
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> hey all,
> I'm sure I'm not the 1st to have discovered this but I had to go into safe 
> mode to check something and after following the instructions to get into safe 
> mode, I decided to try and start VoiceOver and amazingly, it worked.
> I remember the days on the Intel systems when sometimes even external sound 
> cards would not be detected in safe mode and that most people were using 
> braille displays to get things done.
> You can certainly tell you are in safe mode because at the login screen, it 
> will say safe boot at the top.
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Re: External Drive for Mac?

[Eric Oyen]

There shouldn’t be much difference between any of the external drives, although 
some marketed specifically for apple users might have some hardware 
optimizations (unsure on this, so don’t quote me on it). Now, most externals 
work with USB and often work best with USB 3.0. There are some with the 
Thunderbolt 2.x or 3.x capability and those are definitely faster on transfer 
than any of the USB stuff.

In the end, it comes down to 3 choices: capacity, compatibility and price.

-Eric


> On Nov 6, 2022, at 5:55 PM, Mohammad Fazil  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Group.
> I am looking for an external drive for Mac. May I know whether the external 
> drive for Mac is different from that of for Windows, or it doesn't matter?
> Your help/recommendations are highly appreciated.
> Thanks!
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Re: Question about update

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I have a 2012 Mac mini on Catalina. Can you email me so that we can discuss how 
to upgrade? My contact is eric.o...@gmail.com

thanks.


> On Nov 27, 2022, at 10:31 PM, bbsshawn via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi. I know this thread ended a few days ago, but I just wanted to add that 
> 2017 MacBook Air models can't be upgraded to Ventura natively. I say natively 
> because it can still be done. There are just a lot of steps involved and 
> Apple frowns upon it. I won't say how you do it on here but if you're 
> adventurous and want to upgrade your old Mac, write to me off list.
> 
> 
>> On Nov 24, 2022, at 1:31 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> I can still use Catalina on my older Mac, so you will definitely be fine 
>> with Monterey!
>> 
>>> On Nov 24, 2022, at 09:42, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> No, it just means your Mac has reached the 7 year cycle for new upgrades. 
>>> You can still use it as always.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
>>> will make violent revolution inevitable."
>>> --John F. Kennedy
>>> My e-Mail:
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 11/24/2022 7:31 AM, Rena wrote:
 Does it mean this is the end of my Mac?
 Rena
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 *On Behalf Of *Brad Snyder
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 Macs older than 2017 models, cannot update to macOS Ventura.
 - Brad -
  On Nov 24, 2022, at 09:12, Rena >>>  > wrote:
  I bought it in 2015. I have Monterey. I always do the update without
  any problem, but this time everything is different.
  Rena
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  What year is your model?
  On Nov 23, 2022, at 10:19, Rena >>>  > wrote:
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  I’m trying to update my book air, but this time something is
  different and I don’t know what to do.
  I click on about this mac and Software update button.
  There I find bac, forward, show all menu button and search field.
  Please, tell me what to do.
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Re: VMware Fusion Vs Virtualbox.

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VMWare is definitely the superior product. However, Voiceover won’t do anything 
once you are inside the virtual session. You would have to install NVDA or JAWS 
 inside the VMWare session in order to make windows fully accessible. Btw, I 
don’t trust narrator to be more than basic system accessibility only, hence my 
suggestions for superior screen readers.

-Eric


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> I’m still looking into installing Windows on my Mac, in order to attempt to 
> finish my training materials through dhs.org , which has 
> come to a halt,, due to the fact that in order to use the testing tools they 
> provide, they’re only available for the Windows platform.  My supervisor told 
> me about something called Vertualbox, which is free to install Windows on, as 
> opposed to VMware Fusion, but he had no idea if it was usable with Voiceover. 
>  Can anyone with experience with either/or please give me some tips on how to 
> run them?
>   I don’t currently own a copy of Windows, so will have to find out how to 
> obtain everything/get things up and running.
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Re: VMware Fusion Vs Virtualbox.

[Eric Oyen]

I wish I could, but I am in the middle of a marketing project that takes most 
of my time. I am fairly certain there are qualified folks on here. There was an 
ad on the blind ads list earlier where someone offered services to help 
remotely setup and install windows (including screen reader support). Might 
want to check over there.

-Eric


> On Dec 2, 2022, at 3:28 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
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> Ok, that’s what I was afraid of, and to be honest, I think I need whoever is 
> willing to please contact me off list.  I have absolutely no idea how to even 
> get this started, have never done this before, so I’m going to need some 
> guidance, whether we do a team viewer session, back and forth e-mail’s, or 
> exchange numbers and stay on the phone as long as one of us is able; I’m open 
> to any of these.
> 
>> On Dec 2, 2022, at 12:45 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>> 
>> VMWare is definitely the superior product. However, Voiceover won’t do 
>> anything once you are inside the virtual session. You would have to install 
>> NVDA or JAWS  inside the VMWare session in order to make windows fully 
>> accessible. Btw, I don’t trust narrator to be more than basic system 
>> accessibility only, hence my suggestions for superior screen readers.
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 1, 2022, at 9:18 AM, Jessica Moss >> <mailto:junglebookfa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’m still looking into installing Windows on my Mac, in order to attempt to 
>>> finish my training materials through dhs.org <http://dhs.org/>, which has 
>>> come to a halt,, due to the fact that in order to use the testing tools 
>>> they provide, they’re only available for the Windows platform.  My 
>>> supervisor told me about something called Vertualbox, which is free to 
>>> install Windows on, as opposed to VMware Fusion, but he had no idea if it 
>>> was usable with Voiceover.  Can anyone with experience with either/or 
>>> please give me some tips on how to run them?
>>>   I don’t currently own a copy of Windows, so will have to find out how to 
>>> obtain everything/get things up and running.
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Re: Attaching Contiguous Files to Email Message

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I’ve found that simply doing a copy and paste works quite well. Just select the 
items you want, hit the cmd+C and then go to your mail client and hit cmd+v 
inside the message composition window. No muss, no fuss.

-Eric


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> Hi, Group.
> I am trying to attach two Contiguous files to an email message.
> I press command-shift-a and found the folder where those files are. I, 
> however, don’t know how to attach file #3&4 to this email message.
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Re: Anyone Having a Problem with Nightowl?

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You know what? You aren’t the only one.

Mine stopped working while still online and then when I went to restart it, it 
got caught in an authentication loop that even my sighted roomie can’t get 
around. I have tried contacting the developers and even posted a screen capture 
video to their twitter accounts (on the main timeline) and so far, no response.

I really need this client for some of the work I am doing for my work as a 
researcher in health news. Without it, I am stuck either using the website 
(which is slow and cumbersome) or one of the other twitter clients. Btw, 
TweetDesk no longer is supported under Mac. Been trying some of the others on 
the Mac app store and, so far, accessibility has been mostly a miss.

One item, I suspect that twitter changed something in their API and it broke 
NightOwl.

-Eric


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> For the last two days, any time I open NightOwl, it asks me to reauthenticate 
> Twitter. Which is fine, but the page to do so doesn’t actually load, and it 
> constantly plays the error sound again and again and again. I’m unable to do 
> anything else.
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Re: Changing .pls file to open in vlc

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CMD+I then scroll down to open with picker item and choose VLC as default and 
then check the checkbox for open all with this app.

-Eric


> On Jan 16, 2023, at 8:26 AM, Michael Babcock  wrote:
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> Hi all!
> 
> I’m sure it’s a little thing, but could someone please help!
> 
> .pls files open in music on my Mac, and I want them to open in VLC, can 
> someone help me from having to press vo+shift+M, then selecting Open with, 
> then vlc.
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Re: Anyone Having a Problem with Nightowl?

[Eric Oyen]

At this point, Mastodon is looking like a viable alternative. Been posting via 
the twitter site as responses to many of my followers tweets to cross post and 
follow on mastodon. And yes, twitter apparently shut down the 3rd party app API 
on Thursday 2023-01-12 without announcement or comment. They have also not 
responded to queries from much of the tech media outlets and Elon Musk has been 
silent on this point. He comments about everything else but has made absolutely 
no comment or responses on any directed tweets on this subject sent his way.

Now, three possibilities present themselves on this:
1. Twitter shut down the API in order to perform system upgrades
2. Something was broken and they are working on it
3. A cuckoo’s egg was triggered on the part of a former disgruntled employee 
which shut down the API

Now, a 4th possibility presents itself as twitter shutting down the API in 
order to force people to use officially supported clients. If this last is the 
case, then no matter how much Elon touts his platform as free speech, it won’t 
be because many of us can’t, or won’t, use the official clients for whatever 
reason.

Now, I have maintained a profile on mastodon since almost day one and because 
of this event, I am encouraging anyone on twitter that sees my posts to 
trasition over to there as a backup until twitter gets it’s act together.

Now, I suspect that Elon Musk will probably get a rather rude education on why 
it isn’t a good idea to mess with people on the platform.

-Eric


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> Thanks, I appreciate the information everyone. It does seem very deliberate 
> on Twitter’s part and if they do end up disabling all third party apps like 
> this permanently, it might be what pushes me over the edge to just stop using 
> Twitter. I’ve been thinking about it for a while anyway.
> 
>> On Jan 14, 2023, at 10:03 AM, Greg Wocher  wrote:
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>> Hello,
>> THe issue is that quite a few third party twitter clients are experiencing 
>> this right now. Its not just night owl. 
>> 
>> Greg Wocher
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 14, 2023, at 10:01 AM, Brandon Olivares  
>>> wrote:
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>>> For the last two days, any time I open NightOwl, it asks me to 
>>> reauthenticate Twitter. Which is fine, but the page to do so doesn’t 
>>> actually load, and it constantly plays the error sound again and again and 
>>> again. I’m unable to do anything else.
>>> 
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Re: What does Selection Replaced Mean

[Eric Oyen]

Usually, it means that VoiceOver read the change from an autofill dialog on 
those edit boxes. I get this a lot when typing in an address, typically 3 
characters and it will autofill and tell me selection has been replaced. 99 
times out of 100, this works very well.

-Eric


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> Hi, Group.
> When I am in the address bar in Safari or in ‘To Field’ in Mail and type a 
> few letters, , VoiceOver says ‘selection replaced’, does it mean that 
> VoiceOver gets rid off what I typed and replaces it with something else, or 
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Re: Looting Apple Stores is Pointless, as these people quickly found out, iMore

[Eric Oyen]

Your link threw up an error 404.

-Eric


> On Sep 27, 2023, at 2:46 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
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> Looting Apple Stores is pointless, as these people quickly found out
> By iMore
> published about 2 hours ago 
> 
> People have been stealing things from Apple Stores for as long as Apple
> Stores have been a thing, but something a ton of people seemingly aren't
> aware of is that it's entirely pointless. They can't possibly know, because
> they keep on doing it.
> 
> The latest example came after people looted the Apple Walnut Street store in
> Philadelphia, taking iPhone 15 handsets and more as they went. The problem
> is, and as some soon found out, stealing an iPhone and other products from
> Apple does little more than put a warrant on your head.
> 
> And the iPhone won't even work anyway.
> 
> Don't steal, folks
> You've probably already seen the news stories of looters breaking into
> stores yesterday, including an Apple Store. There were even people
> live-streaming the entire thing on TikTok which probably wasn't the greatest
> of ideas. But all of that aside, we saw something else, people finding out
> that iPhones shut down the minute they leave the Apple Store they were just
> stolen from. And it gets worse.
> 
> As some on X have already pointed out, iPhones stolen in this manner don't
> just politely ask you to take them back to where they came from, they do, do
> that as well, but they also start to record their surroundings. You'll note
> the little green light in the image below.
> 
> The result? Stealing an iPhone probably puts your face on camera.
> Notably, the green status light means that they are being filmed 
> 
> So there we have it. As if stealing an iPhone wasn't already a bad idea, you
> probably just made it double-easy for the police to identify you.
> 
> Oh, and there's more. Each iPhone can be tracked as well, so you might be
> leading police to your door. Stolen iPhones display on-screen messages that
> read "The device has been disabled and is being tracked. Local authorities
> will be alerted."
> 
> So, yeah. Don't steal iPhones. Or anything else for that matter.
> 
> Original Article at:
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Re: Facebook Messenger on iPhone

[Eric Oyen]

It’s the Facebook messenger app that is the problem. Time for all of us to 
start reviewing them on the App Store and marking as 1 star, and then place a 
bug report in the review edit box along with the statement “not recommended for 
blind VoiceOver users until the problem is fixed”. This will get facebook’s 
attention a lot faster than contacting them via their apps.

-eric


> On Sep 26, 2023, at 11:20 AM, Minh Ha  wrote:
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> It's the Messenger app and the latest update. I was having this issue on iOS 
> 16.6 starting a few weeks ago, and it's still happening with iOS 17. FB will 
> periodically break Messenger in their updates. The only advice I can give is 
> to contact FB Accessibility. They might or might not do anything about it. 
> Minh Ha
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> 
>> Hello all,
>>  
>> On my iPhone 3rd gen SE running iOS 16.6.1, whenever I go into Facebook 
>> messenger and try to send a message, VO is going back several screens and 
>> speaks their content entirely, rather than just what I sent, or the replies 
>> I receive. Also, on my Braille display, messages are displayed with the 
>> first and last cell containing all 8 dots.  I’ve noticed this for a while 
>> now, and I’m wondering if possibly there might be something funny going on 
>> with iOS 16.6, or maybe 16.5? A key to the answer may have to do with the 
>> fact that I can’t remember what the presence of these 8-dot cells at each 
>> end of the display means when VO is speaking. Also, I don’t have this issue 
>> when running messenger on an older iPhone running the latest iOS 15 version. 
>> If anyone else uses FB Messenger, have you noticed this behavior, and if so 
>> is there a workaround? I so appreciate any thoughts or suggestions.
>>  
>> Thanks,
>> Pete De Vasto
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Re: A very handy way to deal with junk mail

[Eric Oyen]

I wish the same worked better for gmail. Like you, I faced a large incursion of 
junk mail in my iCloud account. Your solution is one of several. Another good 
one involves the use of rules on your mail client (in my case, the mail app 
client found in OS X/XI/XII, etc). So far, it is proving to be a possible 
workable solution. And yes, when you see over 1k spams in the spam folder on 
gmail, you need all the help you can get.

-Eric


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> I’m posting this to the list because it was something I only just learned 
> about, and it has turned out to be very handy.
> 
> Apple has an email address that you can use to report junk mail.  All you 
> have to do is forward the offending message to ab...@icloud.com.  I was 
> skeptical of whether this would work, but it really does.  Forwarding these 
> messages has taken me down from about 250 junk mails a day, to one, if that.  
> When you’re getting as much junk mail as I was, it’s kind of a pain to have 
> to forward every message, but it really does work.  It was only a matter of a 
> few days before my junk mail started dropping off dramatically.
> 
> As I said, I didn’t know about this until I started googling what to do about 
> excessive junk mail, so I thought there might be others here would benefit as 
> well.
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Re: What VPN service are people using?

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I use surf shark here. Same deal: supports 5 devices, can be installed or 
configured on the router, available for all devices (apple and android or 
windows). About $59 for 3 years.

-Eric


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>> I use express VPN, it’s not free, but reasonable and you can install it on 
>> all your devices, including directly on your router if you choose. Up to 5 
>> devices at the same time, and very accessible, been using it for about 5 
>> years now.
>> 
>> My groups
>> User of just apple products, like to ask and answer without other topics?  
>> That’s how it goes down in “only Apple talk and support. Subscribe here
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>>  just apple!
>> Beta tester for apple products?  come help squash the bugs
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>> Because of the non disclosure agreement, if your not a beta tester, please 
>> don’t join the group.
>> Have a braille display?  Come teach and learn with others
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>> 
>> 
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>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> So I’m reading that you can bypass country restrictions by using a VPN.  
>>> Thinking about giving it a try.  What VPN are people here using?  Any 
>>> accessibility issues?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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accessible iMovie?

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I  am thinking of getting back into using iMovie. I have the older program 
(version '09) and the scroll areas are not accessible nor are some of the 
buttons. does anyone have any updated information about iMovie and using 
voiceover?

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Re: accessible iMovie?

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I am looking to do the same. I have a sony HCR-DC52 handicam and it is hooked 
up to my mac as a webcam right now. I have some tapes that I need to transfer 
to disk.

the only stumbling block is the cost of the new iLife package. I don't want all 
that other junk, just iMovie. currently I am running iMovie 08 which has some 
accessibility issues (it doesn't tell me the number of clips in the clip frame 
for instance) and most of the buttons are unlabeled.

I can tell you, being a total and producing video is a lot harder than it was 
when I was simply a low partial.

-eric

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> I have been making YouTube videos in iMovie for a few months. What do you 
> want to accomplish? 
> 
> Mike Malarsie 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 7, 2012, at 4:36 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
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>> I  am thinking of getting back into using iMovie. I have the older program 
>> (version '09) and the scroll areas are not accessible nor are some of the 
>> buttons. does anyone have any updated information about iMovie and using 
>> voiceover?
>> 
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Re: Antivirus for mac

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sophos is partially accessible. the only problem is getting to the system icon 
(it is invisible to voiceover and further left of apple scripts).

virus-barrier is a $29 package available at the apple app store. this one is 
accessible in all but the scan progress window (according to others). I have 
used sophos before and it works to protect both mac and windows machines (can 
scan for windows malware saved to a mac or viewed by a mac). generally, it is 
good software.

I have no experience with virus-barrier. there are others on this list (and 
elsewhere) that do use it.

-eric

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> Hello Everyone
>  
> Is there antivirus software out there that works with Voiceover? I recently 
> became part of a large home network and I don’t want my mac to be in the 
> “passdown chain”. Any help appreciated.
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Re: VoiceOver

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did you use the form controls part of the rotor. I have only a few problems 
posting to Facebook directly. I use TheFriendMail.com to handle most postings.

-eric

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> Hello, I am trying to help my friend who is blind use VoiceOver. She has an 
> IMac. We are trying to post on Facebook. When we use the web item rotor, go 
> to post, enter and hit VO space, it will not let us post. What are we doing 
> wrong?
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Re: VoiceOver

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h. not sure how that happens. I have encountered this problem elsewhere and 
I typically either give up or change the user-agent string to fool  the website 
into working properly. btw, that change agent string feature is available on 
the development version of Safari (called webkit). 

one other thing you might try is to force the mouse cursor to be where the 
voiceover one is and then left click the mouse (without moving it of course). 
this tends to work around the problem that voiceover sometimes has.

-eric

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> Hi Eric, Yes. We tried using forms controls. it will highlight the post 
> button but when you hit the VO space keys, it will not post. Help.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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> On Mar 16, 2012, at 9:27 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
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>> did you use the form controls part of the rotor. I have only a few problems 
>> posting to Facebook directly. I use TheFriendMail.com to handle most 
>> postings.
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
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>> 
>>> Hello, I am trying to help my friend who is blind use VoiceOver. She has an 
>>> IMac. We are trying to post on Facebook. When we use the web item rotor, go 
>>> to post, enter and hit VO space, it will not let us post. What are we doing 
>>> wrong?
>>> 
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anyone else noticing mail.app wierdness?

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hello all..

I seem to be encountering some weirdness of late with mail.app and hotmail.com. 
the weirdness is the fact that mail.app will work normally and then kick up a 
dialog box saying that hotmail.com rejected my password. since I have not 
changed my password in a long time and I routinely check the hotmail site junk 
folder from their web interface, I am at a loss as to what is actually causing 
this.

anyone here a mail.app guru?

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Re: anyone else noticing mail.app wierdness?

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oh yeah, I also get one other problem (unrelated to mail.app):
any attempt to do anything more than simply browse the hotmail site results in 
their non-standard javascript crashing Safari (and webkit). its getting to be a 
real pain. Since I don't have windows (nor a spare machine to put it on), I am 
stuck with messages in the spam folder that are not spam. anyone have any clues 
on how to work around this?

-eric

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> 
> I've been seeing this all day as well.
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> On Mar 21, 2012, at 11:06 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
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>> hello all..
>> 
>> I seem to be encountering some weirdness of late with mail.app and 
>> hotmail.com. the weirdness is the fact that mail.app will work normally and 
>> then kick up a dialog box saying that hotmail.com rejected my password. 
>> since I have not changed my password in a long time and I routinely check 
>> the hotmail site junk folder from their web interface, I am at a loss as to 
>> what is actually causing this.
>> 
>> anyone here a mail.app guru?
>> 
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Re: anyone else noticing mail.app wierdness?

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I can't get chrome to work under voiceover in snow leopard. every time I try, 
it segfaults on me or simply doesn't tell me anything (blank scroll area). 
chromevox doesn't like my system either. I would upgrade to lion or mountain 
lion, but my gear is just old enough to cause problems with the upgrade.

-eric

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> Hi,
> 
> have your tried using the google chrome browser?  It might work a little 
> better on that site.
> 
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> On Mar 22, 2012, at 1:55 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> 
>> oh yeah, I also get one other problem (unrelated to mail.app):
>> any attempt to do anything more than simply browse the hotmail site results 
>> in their non-standard javascript crashing Safari (and webkit). its getting 
>> to be a real pain. Since I don't have windows (nor a spare machine to put it 
>> on), I am stuck with messages in the spam folder that are not spam. anyone 
>> have any clues on how to work around this?
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Mar 21, 2012, at 10:38 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I've been seeing this all day as well.
>>> 
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>>> www.appletothecore.info
>>> 
>>> On Mar 21, 2012, at 11:06 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> hello all..
>>>> 
>>>> I seem to be encountering some weirdness of late with mail.app and 
>>>> hotmail.com. the weirdness is the fact that mail.app will work normally 
>>>> and then kick up a dialog box saying that hotmail.com rejected my 
>>>> password. since I have not changed my password in a long time and I 
>>>> routinely check the hotmail site junk folder from their web interface, I 
>>>> am at a loss as to what is actually causing this.
>>>> 
>>>> anyone here a mail.app guru?
>>>> 
>>>> -eric
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Re: Kindle App on iPhone

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that has already happened. you can't play it out loud because they have already 
declared it a public performance. even the protests in front of the American 
Authors Guild HQ a couple of years back didn't even sway them. they did offer 
to setup a registry of blind people that purchase from Amazon (and others) and 
you would have to register and get a code before you could read the book. 

what needs to happen is a class action against the guild. the class would be 
composed of those who, for whatever reason, cannot read the printed word 
(blind, dyslexic, etc.). if enough people were to join the class action, it is 
fairly certain that both the publishing industry and the American Author's 
Guild (a shill for the publishers) could be brought to task. 

I do find it interesting that they use a visual only captcha on their site. 
that, alone, suggests intent on their part to lock us out of our rights to 
protest them.

I really wish I had the money, I would start a court case against them this 
very next week.

-eric

On Mar 23, 2012, at 4:17 PM, Adie wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> I first cane across this when I looked into the speech on the Kindle
> itself, when it first came out with that function and couldn't believe
> the attitude of the Authors' Guild. It seems to me, if you buy a book,
> it shouldn't matter a damn whether you want to access the text by
> looking at a screen, or having the screen read to you.
> 
> I went to the length of finding the Authors' Guild website and
> constructing a polite, but furious, message to them, pointing out some
> of the things already raised here and also that they would get a lot
> of sales from blind people who might buy a book on the Kindle terms,
> but probably wouldn't buy an audio book, mostly because of the cost. I
> spent some time making sure I got the tone right.
> 
> Then I tried to send it Guess what? They had a ***ing image captcha on
> the send message thing and I couldn't get past it.
> 
> Exit one really, really annoyed and frustrated blind person.
> 
> I wonder what their next trick will be? Banning reading out loud
> without some sort of performance licence?
> 
> Best
> 
> Adrienne
> 
> Mar 23, 2:21 am, Esther  wrote:
>> Hi Ray,
>> 
>> You're correct that the policy of blocking VoiceOver access to eBook content 
>> in the Kindle app arises from the Author's Guild suit, but the guild is 
>> mostly worried about readers who are not visually impaired making use of 
>> these text-to-speech capabilities to listen to ebooks instead of buying 
>> audiobooks.  It's the very fact that Apple has been building in VoiceOver 
>> capabilities into every iOS device and computer that constitutes the danger, 
>> from their point of view.  That's why a Kindle app for the PC, that can be 
>> used with screen readers like JAWS, has been released, but there is no 
>> similar application for the Mac.  If the only way that you could access the 
>> Kindle ebook content on your computer was by investing in blindness-specific 
>> software that equals or exceeds the cost of your computer, it's pretty hard 
>> to argue that you configured your machine this way just to avoid buying the 
>> audiobook versions.  But the fact that every iPhone, iPod Touch, an iPad now 
>> support VoiceOver, and that the same is true for every Mac, means that any 
>> user of an iPhone, Mac, etc. could enable VoiceOver functionality in reading 
>> Kindle ebooks, if this capability were not explicitly blocked.
>> 
>> And so, if you carry the argument of the Author's Guild to its natural 
>> conclusion, non-visually impaired Kindle customers who find VoiceOver's 
>> reading "good enough" to listen to, will turn on this feature instead of 
>> buying audiobook versions that they would otherwise purchase.
>> 
>> HTH.  Cheers,
>> 
>> Esther
>> 
>> On Mar 22, 2012, at 4:03 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> That's not quite true.  It's not because of copy right.  The truth is this. 
>>>  It's because of the Author's guild.  They don't want the blind to be able 
>>> to read their books without extra costs.  Their twisted reasoning is that 
>>> the text to speech tecnhology will rob them of sales.  Every single 
>>> organization of the blind is fighting this stipid infantile logic.
>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> 
>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>> 
>>> Skype name:
>>> barefootedray
>> 
>>> Facebook:
>>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2012, at 8:39 PM, Hank Smith wrote:
>> 
 so because of stupid drm copy write crap the blind can't read the ebooks?
 On 3/22/2012 6:30 PM, Esther wrote:
>> 
> Hi Jeff,
>> 
> There are a number of ebook apps that specifically disable VoiceOver's 
> ability to access the content in order to preserve digital rights 
> management.  This is also true if you try to use the Barnes & Noble Nook 
> app, for example.  You'll notice that usually you can access everything 
> except for the ac

Re: Kindle App on iPhone

[Eric Oyen]

thats the very point: MONEY. to them, the 25 million of us that are print 
disabled aren't a large enough market to worry about. considering how many 
people actually read in the US, our population is roughly 10% of the overall 
population. that is a non-trivial market. If they simply allowed us to enjoy 
what we purchased without encumbrance, they would make even more than they do 
now. unfortunately, their type never thinks in the long term, always in the 
short term and always to maximize profits. that is the very same attitude that 
lead to the economic troubles we now currently enjoy. 

-eric

On Mar 23, 2012, at 6:53 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> lol,
> 
> I agree its stupid but, I doubt these people huddled up in a corner and said, 
> " lets figure out away to steel money from a population base which extremely 
> small, and has a 70% unemployment rate.  I just think their paranoid about 
> sighted people taking advantage of this, not how to make an extra buck off 
> blind folks.
> 
> JMO.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On Mar 22, 2012, at 10:03 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
>> That's not quite true.  It's not because of copy right.  The truth is this.  
>> It's because of the Author's guild.  They don't want the blind to be able to 
>> read their books without extra costs.  Their twisted reasoning is that the 
>> text to speech technology will rob them of sales.  Every single organization 
>> of the blind is fighting this stupid infantile logic.
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> 
>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>> 
>> Skype name:
>> barefootedray
>> 
>> Facebook:
>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 22, 2012, at 8:39 PM, Hank Smith wrote:
>> 
>>> so because of stupid drm copy write crap the blind can't read the ebooks?
>>> On 3/22/2012 6:30 PM, Esther wrote:
 Hi Jeff,
 
 There are a number of ebook apps that specifically disable VoiceOver's 
 ability to access the content in order to preserve digital rights 
 management.  This is also true if you try to use the Barnes & Noble Nook 
 app, for example.  You'll notice that usually you can access everything 
 except for the actual content of the text.  That's being blocked.  You can 
 verify this by taking a screen capture, and sending the results to an OCR 
 app like Prizmo or TextGrabber.  The OCR app will tell you what the 
 contents are, but obviously you're not going to read the book by screen 
 capturing every page and sending it to an OCR app.
 
 If you want to read another example of this viewpoint, that the ability of 
 screen readers to access text would promote copyright violation, take a 
 look at Greg Kearney's posted response from Fictionwise in the archives, 
 sent in reply to his inquiry about ebook accessibility for their ebook 
 reading app just a few months after the iPhone 3GS was released 
 with VoiceOver support:
 • Fwd: Response for Support Ticket #102495
 http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg06200.html
 Since this is the Mail Archive post, if you're reading on your computer, 
 you can also use access key shortcuts of Control-N to read down the thread 
 for other reader comments.
 
 Best,
 
 Esther
 
 On Mar 22, 2012, at 2:59 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
 
> Forget it.  It ain't gonna happen.
> 
> It ain't accessible at all.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
> 
> Facebook:
> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 22, 2012, at 7:38 PM, Jeff Berwick wrote:
> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I downloaded the Kindle app so I can read some of the books that my wife 
>> is reading.  I can't, however, figure out how to get it to work.  Has 
>> anybody had success with the Kindle app?  Is it accessible?  Any tips?
>> 
>> It looks like, to me, that it is displaying images instead of rendering 
>> the text.
>> 
>> Thx,
>> Jeff
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Re: pdf converter

[Eric Oyen]

I think they want to go the other way. making a PDF is easy. converting to 
another format (like reich text or some other document format) is a bit harder. 
there are a few utilities in Linux that can do this. not sure if there is 
anything for windows that can do this that don't cost a mint.

-eric

On Mar 23, 2012, at 9:09 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I'm not sure I totally understand but if you're asking about converting 
> documents to pdf format, then you simply need to open the original document, 
> press cmd-p to bring up the Print dialog (or choose Print from the File 
> menu).  Once the Print dialog is up, navigate through it until you locate the 
> PDF menu button, activate it with VO-space and select "Save to PDF".  You can 
> then choose the filename and location to place it.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Later...
> 
> On 2012-03-23, at 8:27 PM, annelie robledo wrote:
> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> I wanted to find out from the list wheither there is an accessible pdf 
>> converter for the macl  Would greatly appreciate any help.
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Re: Kindle App on iPhone

[Eric Oyen]

the problem isn't Amazon. its the American Author's Guild. Amazon is simply the 
marketplace. now, Amazon has also done its own little bit when it came to their 
tablet device (and they were forced to have to deal with us after their 
contract with ASU popped up a problem with blind students). I am not sure if 
their latest kindle product (the kindle fire) is accessible. had they bothered 
to include accessibility in the design from the first drawing board designs, 
there would be a much larger market for them to sell to. since they discounted 
us (like a lot of private firms often do) they lost out. most retailers online 
tend to discount us simply because they think there are a lot less of us than 
there actually is. the result is that they fail to realize any market 
potential. I know of several authors (Dianne Duane for instance) who try to 
include provisions in their publishing contracts that allow production of audio 
books for the blind (a secondary market separate from commercial audiobooks). I 
have met several authors over the years at the various conventions held here in 
the valley. in all cases, they were a lot more receptive to allowing the blind  
"nearly free" access to their works in audio format. Unfortunately, their 
publishing agents were not so receptive (one going so far as to ask me why I 
even bother reading. its not like I can see to read). that particular agent 
that made that quip managed to lose three authors on that weekend because of 
what he said. He didn't last long at Random House after that.

The biggest problem I see with the American Author's Guild is that they are 
trying to lock up the audio book market, regardless of whether or not they 
actually represent the particular author or not. what is even worse is the fact 
they even lock down public domain works offered for free through Amazon. They 
don't own the rights, yet they can control how a work can be presented. I have 
several such books here from Amazon and because the read-aloud flag is 
disabled, I cannot read these books. so? what use are they to me then?

I would dare say that with the increased use of digital media, we are gradually 
seeing an end to paper bound books (the latest example of this is the 
Encyclopedia Britanica). so, the paper publishing industry is trying to hang on 
to an outdated business model (much like the RIAA and the MPAA). when the 
market changes, the retailers and producers either better adapt or go out of 
business. its that simple. with this in mind, it is no wonder that a lot of 
authors are going the direct publishing route. they get to earn more from their 
work than assigning to a publisher the rights and getting a pittance for their 
work. this is the same market model that iTunes uses and it has been very 
successful, even after the fight that the RIAA put up trying to close them 
down. This is the digital age and the old business models are no longer 
effective (or relevant). The authors know this and the publishing industry is 
painfully aware of this. 

as an example of what works, look at Glenn Beck. He runs his own publishing 
house. He publishes in paper and digital formats. the Digital formats are far 
more profitable than paper (though paper has its own appeal). The man nets $40 
million a year from all his ventures. I have his books in audiobook format (and 
all I had to do was ask, and I got a good discount). He sees which way the wind 
is blowing. 

so, here we are. a small market, but not without some power to affect things. 
all we need to do is use it. Those of us with print disabilities (due to 
neurological malfunction, blindness, etc.) comprise slightly more than 15% of 
the general population, with the blind being a large percentage of that 
(roughly 9% here in the US). that is a non-trivial market figure. 26 million 
visually impaired/blind people in the US alone. that is not a small market 
segment. we need to organize like the deaf did back in the 1970's and force the 
publishing industry to recognize us. we need to be voting with our wallets. 
that is the only tool they understand.

-eric

On Mar 23, 2012, at 10:35 PM, David Tanner wrote:

> Well, I guess I am not as convinced as you are.  The truth is it really is 
> all about the money, and rich publishers figure they aren't going to make 
> much money off of blind people anyway, so why should they give in because 
> they have the money and the control and they would just as soon keep it that 
> way.
> 
> If blind folks would tell Amazon that the blind are going to start a campeign 
> to publically advertise the lame way that they have bowed to the publishers 
> and that every attempt would be made to convince people not to buy from 
> Amazon until they changed their actions then maybe they might get somewhere.
> 
> But, I know a whole lot of blind people who complain about Kindell and go 
> right ahead and purchase all kinds of other things from Amazon.  So, if they 
> really want to get the point a

Re: iPad, iPhone, Mac for the blind

[Eric Oyen]

the iPad has more computing power and also uses a solid state drive. that and 
its greater battery life make it an excellent portable device. 
-eric

On Mar 24, 2012, at 1:43 AM, David Hole wrote:

> hi folks.
> I just wonder, and many here have asked, so I thought I'd ask you in
> this group.
> What's the benefit for blind people to have an iPad instead of an
> iPhone?
> I mean, as far as I can see, the difference is only the screen size...
> Am I right?
> Actually I'd like to have one myself, but I can't find any good
> reasons to have it, since I have both an iPhone and a Mac.
> Hope someone here can give me reasons to get one :p
> Best regards David
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Re: Kindle App on iPhone

[Eric Oyen]

not sure what they are, or are not,  doing. I am thinking that they may think 
the case may be hard to win. personally, it may be about the cost the lawyers 
are going to extract before any monies get paid to the recipients of the class. 

anyway, I really hate to have to use the hammer of the law, but what else can 
one do against a privately held LLC like the American Author's Guild.

-eric

On Mar 24, 2012, at 2:19 PM, Sean Murphy wrote:

> Hi all.
> 
> What is the NFB, ACB, and other organisations who support print disable 
> people doing about this?
> 
> They have the funds and expertise to challenge it in a class action. I
> 
> In relation to the number of people who have been restricted from reading 
> Ebooks via this method is larger then America. This effects any country that 
> you can buy Amazon books. The DMR also effects purchasing of Audio books from 
> other english speaking country. So the Authors Gill is forcing American law 
> on to other countries which is a bigger problem. 
> 
> The problem has to be fixed within USA. So guys I would suggest you all start 
> talking to your federal members of government, NFB, etc. Get everyone 
> involved who is USA and feels the same. Make this a real big problem. Being 
> quite about it or complaining on this or other list isn't enough.
> 
> Get out there and do something proactive. I would, but I am not an American 
> citizen. So I cannot even leave base one.
> 
> Sean 
> 
> 
> On 25/03/2012, at 4:26 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
> 
>> Say Steve, your reply appears to be way at the bottom of the message.  
>> Unless i am mistaken, it seems to be common practice to set one's e-mail 
>> client to set the reply at the top of the message.  Less scroling down.
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> 
>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>> 
>> Skype name:
>> barefootedray
>> 
>> Facebook:
>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 24, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Steve Holmes wrote:
>> 
>>> On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 07:03:30PM -0700, Jamie Tachiyama wrote:
 They get around it by making the Kindle for PC app accessible.
 
 
 On 3/22/12, Hank Smith  wrote:
> so because of stupid drm copy write crap the blind can't read the ebooks?
> On 3/22/2012 6:30 PM, Esther wrote:
>> Hi Jeff,
>> 
>> There are a number of ebook apps that specifically disable VoiceOver's
>> ability to access the content in order to preserve digital rights
>> management.  This is also true if you try to use the Barnes & Noble
>> Nook app, for example.  You'll notice that usually you can access
>> everything except for the actual content of the text.  That's being
>> blocked.  You can verify this by taking a screen capture, and sending
>> the results to an OCR app like Prizmo or TextGrabber.  The OCR app
>> will tell you what the contents are, but obviously you're not going to
>> read the book by screen capturing every page and sending it to an OCR 
>> app.
>> 
>> If you want to read another example of this viewpoint, that the
>> ability of screen readers to access text would promote copyright
>> violation, take a look at Greg Kearney's posted response from
>> Fictionwise in the archives, sent in reply to his inquiry about ebook
>> accessibility for their ebook reading app just a few months after the
>> iPhone 3GS was released with VoiceOver support:
>> • Fwd: Response for Support Ticket #102495
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg06200.html
>> Since this is the Mail Archive post, if you're reading on your
>> computer, you can also use access key shortcuts of Control-N to read
>> down the thread for other reader comments.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Esther
>> 
>> On Mar 22, 2012, at 2:59 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>> 
>>> Forget it.  It ain't gonna happen.
>>> 
>>> It ain't accessible at all.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>> 
>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>> 
>>> Skype name:
>>> barefootedray
>>> 
>>> Facebook:
>>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2012, at 7:38 PM, Jeff Berwick wrote:
>>> 
 Hi All,
 
 I downloaded the Kindle app so I can read some of the books that my
 wife is reading.  I can't, however, figure out how to get it to
 work.  Has anybody had success with the Kindle app?  Is it
 accessible?  Any tips?
 
 It looks like, to me, that it is displaying images instead of
 rendering the text.
 
 Thx,
 Jeff
 
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Re: Kindle App on iPhone

[Eric Oyen]

I have a nice solution if someone wants to know how I lost my sight. I simply 
explain it. I give them the short story and let them fill in the blanks from 
there.

now, if a prospective employer were to ask me about how I handle my blindness, 
I can tell them "easily enough". if they press the issue, I would be polite but 
would ask why it bothers them. from my experience, most people just aren't 
aware of what we can do, and most times, they aren't comfortable dealing with 
us either. considering that we areabout as common as 1 in 12 people in the US, 
it still surprises me how little contact the general public has with us.

-eric

On Mar 25, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Gigi wrote:

> Hi guys Karen, doesn't sound like we're talking about what you care. It 
> sounds like we're talking about emotions. That's a very difficult thing to 
> come back.
> I have you decided decided if I wanted to weigh in on this topic, but I would 
> like to say that there's no way I would give people information about my 
> blindness just to do business with them. I have to get the government 
> information about that occasionally, but I see no reason to do that for those 
> who have no business knowing.
> Regards
> Gigi
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Mar 24, 2012, at 8:54 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
>> Esther,
>> Two questions.
>> Does the author's guild have statistical evidence that the average mac 
>> product user even knows that voiceover is there let alone that they would 
>> opt for this behavior?
>> I might point out that audiobooks, commercial ones were not created for the 
>> vision challenged population, but for the general public, so the argument 
>> that a vision challenged person would opt for a voiceover edition instead of 
>> a commercial one, seems well silly.  They have figures to document what 
>> percentage of the billions of audiobooks sold are sold to  individuals with 
>> vision loss?  After all, that population was serviced via nls and other 
>> programs for decades, with commercial audio books selling just fine.
>> 
>> lastly, would not creating an access specific format not solve that issue 
>> then?  there would be no risk of random  audio hungry people learning how to 
>> use voiceover just so they can avoid listening to a real person read an 
>> audio book.
>> Not picking on you, just wanting your thoughts since you understand their 
>> logic.
>> Karen
>> 
>> On Sat, 24 Mar 2012, James Mannion wrote:
>> 
>>> Which is why this stupid nonsense will probably rob us of access in
>>> the name of their closed minded greed until the old members of the
>>> gild all die and we get minds in there with open minds to a moddern
>>> world perspective. The good part is there excessive greed will put
>>> them under extra stress which will drive them to the grave sooner.
>>> 
>>> On 3/22/12, Esther  wrote:
 Hi Ray,
> 
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Re: Kindle App on iPhone

[Eric Oyen]

I would have asked a bit more abruptly than he did. the problem I have is that 
I do not know if the NFB, ACB or any of the other blindness ors even support or 
oppose litigation against the AAG (American Author's Guild). I am an NFB member 
and if litigation is the tool to use, then I would use it.

one of the things we need to establish is:
1. who owns the AAG
2. who funds it
3. who manages it.

question #2 is the important one as the money they get is the key to answering 
1 & 3. follow the money and you find out who is behind the organization. Now I 
realize that the NFB does market their own gadgets, but, they also need to 
allow other technologies to compete. this is the way of the market. competition 
fosters innovation. an accessible kindle device/app and books would force them 
to innovate to make something better. right now, the market is being 
artificially limited by a confluence of ignorance, financial barriers to entry 
and simple fear. 

they say knowledge is power, and so is information. since we are being 
restricted from gaining information, we need to forcefully acquire it. one way 
is to vote with our wallets. failing that, litigation is the second route. 
protests and the court of public opinion can also work but have been 
increasingly ineffective given the dirty of news on everything else of late.

I know! lets pull a page right out of the progressive playbook. start an occupy 
movement in front of the American Author's Guild and any of the publishing 
houses in NYC. I know the last protest lasted a single day. what we need is a 
multiday event. at the end of business each day, we go to our hotels, homes or 
other living quarters and then show up bright and early the next day.  if we 
are persistent enough, they will get the message and back off. things like this 
do take time though.

just some thoughts on how to get what we legally paid for (and cannot use).

-eric

On Mar 25, 2012, at 7:36 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> lol,
> 
> Isn't this getting a bit out of hand?  Your asking this 1 person to defend 
> himself?  IDK, either he's telling the truth, or he's not, either way, what 
> does it change?  Sounds like your trying to put the guy up on perjury 
> charges. lol. Documentary evidence? come on.
> 
> JMO.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On Mar 25, 2012, at 6:30 PM, Sean Murphy  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Ray,
>> 
>> If the NFB is a a posed to this. Then what supporting documentation do you 
>> have to support this and what actually are they doing to try and resolve the 
>> issue. The issue also effects Braille readers from my understanding.
>> 
>> since this issue is not new and has been around for years. I would have 
>> expected a more proactive approach to the whole issue. But nothing has 
>> changed. Can this be done via the ADA? 
>> 
>> Another question, can this be enforced in other countries?
>> 
>> Sean 
>> 
>> On 25/03/2012, at 10:11 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>> 
>>> In defense of the NFB, we do in fact oppose the Author's guild in this 
>>> matter.  any implication otherwise is simply in error.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>> 
>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>> 
>>> Skype name:
>>> barefootedray
>>> 
>>> Facebook:
>>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 24, 2012, at 5:33 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
>>> 
>>>> not sure what they are, or are not,  doing. I am thinking that they may 
>>>> think the case may be hard to win. personally, it may be about the cost 
>>>> the lawyers are going to extract before any monies get paid to the 
>>>> recipients of the class. 
>>>> 
>>>> anyway, I really hate to have to use the hammer of the law, but what else 
>>>> can one do against a privately held LLC like the American Author's Guild.
>>>> 
>>>> -eric
>>>> 
>>>> On Mar 24, 2012, at 2:19 PM, Sean Murphy wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all.
>>>>> 
>>>>> What is the NFB, ACB, and other organisations who support print disable 
>>>>> people doing about this?
>>>>> 
>>>>> They have the funds and expertise to challenge it in a class action. I
>>>>> 
>>>>> In relation to the number of people who have been restricted from reading 
>>>>> Ebooks via this method is larger then America. This effects any country 
>>>>> that you can buy Amazon books. Th

Re: iPad, iPhone, Mac for the blind

[Eric Oyen]

I really wish there was a financing program for the blind when it comes to mac 
hardware (laptops, desktops, iPad, iPhone). given that I (and a great many 
others) am living on a disability income (more than 85% of the blind in the US 
are), I find it nearly impossible to save up for any equipment. Hell, I had to 
make my own Hackintosh and load it with a store purchased copy of snow leopard. 
It cost me $30 for the OS and about $400 to assemble the machine. at minimum, I 
would have to spend nearly twice that much for a comparably equipped mac mini 
and almost $1500 or more for a reasonably powerful macbook pro/air. given that 
I have to spend my money on medications, rent and food, there is no way I can 
even save up for one at all. 

there used to be a "free macs for the blind" charity in Great Britain, but the 
person running that organization was forced to give it up as there were too 
many problems involved. We need something like that here in North America, but 
I just don't see that happening. I tried to query Apple about doing something 
like this and was given the polite brush off (thats nice kid, here is a soda. 
now go over in the corner.). hell, they have $115 Billion in CASH laying around 
they are not using. they could earn themselves a lot of good publicity if they 
offered some macs to the blind at a vastly discounted rate. it would also give 
them an in to a market they don't currently have. 

anyway, time for me to climb down off the soapbox.

-eric

On Mar 26, 2012, at 1:38 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:

> one thing that I can note that is not seeming to be mentioned is the fact 
> that there ar certain Apps which are not available on iPhone / iPod Touch, 
> yet, that are found on the iPad.
> 
> The iPad from my prespective is purely for consumption, and I use it for news 
> papers, which 4 of which are not found on the iPhone, and 5 are on the 
> iPhone, but, only as reduced versions.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> On 24 Mar 2012, at 08:43, David Hole wrote:
> 
>> hi folks.
>> I just wonder, and many here have asked, so I thought I'd ask you in
>> this group.
>> What's the benefit for blind people to have an iPad instead of an
>> iPhone?
>> I mean, as far as I can see, the difference is only the screen size...
>> Am I right?
>> Actually I'd like to have one myself, but I can't find any good
>> reasons to have it, since I have both an iPhone and a Mac.
>> Hope someone here can give me reasons to get one :p
>> Best regards David
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Re: iPad, iPhone, Mac for the blind

[Eric Oyen]

I realize this. the problem is that there is absolutely no possibility that I 
will ever be able to save up for one. I get $718 a month and between the rent, 
food and cell phone, I have nothing left. I actually have to borrow money each 
month just to pay the medications co-pay (that leaves me about $30 in the hole 
each month). 

this computer and 1 handheld radio are about the only things I own outright 
(and the computer is about 4 years old).

now, if I were employed, I wouldn't even have these problems. I would be living 
in a slightly nicer place (outside of gang territory), paying my taxes, having 
real health insurance, and buying real food (not the cheap crap chock full of 
chemistry and virtually no food value). 

you are right, too, that apple doesn't HAVE TO reduce their prices. they could 
garner an even bigger share of the laptop and desktop markets if they did. they 
don't HAVE TO offer some discounts to those who are disabled, but they could 
and it wouldn't hurt their bottom line at all. 
Yes, I could save up only IF I were able to. hell, the internet I had to beg 
from a neighbor on a wireless node.

so yeah, I have a lot on my plate that wouldn't be there otherwise. call me 
frustrated. I am stuck on a waiting list to get a hearing aid for my left ear. 
that has delayed my training program and continues to delay any  possibility of 
becoming employed. so, unless something moves here, I take whatever I can get, 
where ever I can get it.



here is a number crunching exercise for you.

there are an estimated 25 million blind or visually impaired people in the US. 
if Apple where to *GIVE* each of us 1 fully equipped mac mini, it would cost 
less than $2.5 Billion and they would still make a profit on the deal in good 
publicity alone. that would still leave them with $113 Billion IN CASH laying 
around doing nothing.

with  that cash, Apple could buy ALL of hollywood (warner brothers, disney, 
universal studios, ILM and others) plus purchase 2 of the big cable companies 
plus purchase blockbuster and netflix and still have enough left over to buy 
all of AT&T. After all of that, they would still have enough cash laying around 
to make the profits of BP Oil look like loose change. They could buy all of 
wal*mart and only start to break a sweat.

at the end of all this, Apple would be the worlds largest corporation with 
revenues exceeding the GNP of nearly 40 countries combined and rebuild all that 
spent cash in less than 5 years.

Now, considering I am a trained accountant with a business administration 
background (courtesy of Glendale Community college) and I requested the balance 
sheets on a number of corporations to see what was really happening to our 
economy. the scenario above would be entirely possible if the US Government had 
no RICO Laws. Just the assets that such a monster I have described above would 
exceed the net worth of nearly all of Europe and some of south America. I know 
that sounds highly ludicrous but that is what $113 Billion IN CASH could do 
properly invested. at that level, the interest being earned would start to earn 
its own interest in very short order. 

so yeah, it looks ridiculous, but that is the scale I am talking about here. 
giving away 25 million mac minis wouldn't even put a dent in that and I am not 
asking them to give them away, just give us a little hand up to owning some 
real tools.

-eric


On Mar 26, 2012, at 2:38 AM, Scott Howell wrote:

> Eric,
> 
> I don't know you or your financial situation beyond what you have said. 
> However, I do understand how it can be difficult to "make ends" meet and how 
> hard it is to save up and purchase something you want, but it is possible. 
> There is no reason for APple to offer any product at a reduced price because 
> of your disability. APple is a great company that has done amazing things, 
> but APple is not a charity. Yes APple has lots of cash and the reason why 
> APple has been successful is by using their money wisely and other companies 
> should maybe take a page from APple's playbook and they could be in a good 
> financial place.
> I mean no offense Eric, but I get a little worked up when I read messages 
> making statements such as those you made. Blind people like any other group 
> of individuals with a disability need opportunity not charity, A hand up not 
> a hand out, and no matter if you have a "disability" or not it is up to you 
> to determine your financial priorities so that you can purchase the things 
> you want. Note that you does not refer to you as Eric. :)
> 
> 
> On Mar 26, 2012, at 5:22 AM, Eric Oyen wrote:
> 
>> I really wish there was a financing program for the blind when it comes to 
>> mac hardware (laptops, desktops, iPad, iPhone). given that I (and a great 
>> many others) am living on a disability income (more 

Re: iPad, iPhone, Mac for the blind

[Eric Oyen]

at least you had stuff to sell. I don't even have that. I would get about $100 
for this machine on the used market. the linux laptop even less. I own very 
little, so having capital to work with just isn't happening.

I, too, have run into the bureaucratic quagmire of dealing with various 
charities just to get assistance on some critical needs (medications, etc). I 
would like very much to meet the lawyers that made this situation and have them 
wear a blindfold for 1 year (you cannot take it off for anything). have all the 
members of congress setup this way, all the upper management of the US 
Government and all the lawyers for all the charities. 1 year of blindness and 
there would certainly be a boatload of changes for the better (such as public 
education, better accessibility, better job training and a vastly more 
streamlined system of getting things done. 

I would congress read the 70,000 pages of regulations currently on the books... 
IN BRAILLE. I think even reading the entire text of the affordable care act in 
braille would scare the whole lot of them off the hill.

hehe nice pipedream but it gives you an idea of just how much frustration I go 
through EVERY DAY.

-eric

On Mar 26, 2012, at 2:39 AM, Lewis Alexander wrote:

> Hi Eric,
> 
> yep I completely agree with you and understand your plite.
> 
> I was forced to close down the project due to two major factors. Lack of 
> support regarding supply of equipment and a poorly run charities commission 
> stating different rulings and then telling me that my project does not 
> warrant Commission status, thus failing to grant registered numbers, etc.
> 
> This project has helped a very small number of users (8 in all) and it's left 
> me in a very serious situation which I've now resolved.
> 
> The problem also exists wherever you are in the world. Funding for accessible 
> equipment for the blind is non existant. Why? well from my years of 
> experience in this matter, various charities set up conflicting guidelines 
> and rulings which do not help the individual in need of the support. For over 
> 12 years since I lost my sight completely, I had to apply for various grants. 
> within 10 years, every grant (500+ in total) were rejected, all because of 
> different factors by their own rulings, offerings of £100 to £250 towards a 
> product and then not being able to apply to X amount of other charities 
> (connected to the associated charity in question) due to ridiculous clauses.
> 
> I use my iphone 3GS and macbook pro. the only reason I have these is through 
> having to sell everything I owned including my old music gear from years ago 
> to raise the funds for the kit needed, from there it's been a thing of taking 
> on a few projects to raise cash for equipment I still have to rely on.
> 
> internationally, we need to change the system and yes APPLE needs to help us 
> out on this. They have developed products which openly and directly support 
> blind and disabled users and yet we have to pay an absolute premium, as 
> rightly said here, over 85% of blind people in the USA are out of work and 
> cannot afford the equipment and services needed, the same here in the UK even 
> though disability living allowance and other components aren't enough to 
> cover costs of equipment. You're lucky if you get into a university to 
> receive grants for equipment you need. In my case, through my education, the 
> equipment I had to use failed me all the time, the wrong software, wrong 
> hardware and operating systems which by their own admission were poorly 
> managed and had huge issues. hence me taking on the matters in person and 
> resolving them. a battle I don't want to entertain ever again.
> 
> It's at this point where we as a nation of blind and visually impaired people 
> make a stand and a change for the better.
> 
> lew
> 
> On 26 Mar 2012, at 10:22, Eric Oyen wrote:
> 
>> I really wish there was a financing program for the blind when it comes to 
>> mac hardware (laptops, desktops, iPad, iPhone). given that I (and a great 
>> many others) am living on a disability income (more than 85% of the blind in 
>> the US are), I find it nearly impossible to save up for any equipment. Hell, 
>> I had to make my own Hackintosh and load it with a store purchased copy of 
>> snow leopard. It cost me $30 for the OS and about $400 to assemble the 
>> machine. at minimum, I would have to spend nearly twice that much for a 
>> comparably equipped mac mini and almost $1500 or more for a reasonably 
>> powerful macbook pro/air. given that I have to spend my money on 
>> medications, rent and food, there is no way I can even save up for one at 
>> all. 
>> 
>> there used to be a "free m

Re: iPad, iPhone, Mac for the blind

[Eric Oyen]

I understand this.

the question I have to ask here is:
has there been even a single blind person serving in congress?
I know of several who were partially deaf, at least one who had to use 
canes/crutches or a wheel chair.

so far, my attempt has yielded a lot of irrelevant results and 2 browser 
crashes do to sites that run flash ads. as far as I can tell, I don't think we 
have had 1 single blind person ever serve in congress. not a single one. that 
needs to change.

-eric

On Mar 26, 2012, at 4:00 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> The problem with what you say is, its not just blind people fighting for that 
> assistance.  You have those with develop mental disabilities, emotional 
> disorders, motor disabilities, and the list goes on.  And they all want there 
> share of the pie.  So the same congressman you have wear a blind fold for a 
> year, will also be asked to sit in a wheel chair for a year.  Wear ear pluges 
> for a year, etc.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On Mar 26, 2012, at 6:53 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> 
>> at least you had stuff to sell. I don't even have that. I would get about 
>> $100 for this machine on the used market. the linux laptop even less. I own 
>> very little, so having capital to work with just isn't happening.
>> 
>> I, too, have run into the bureaucratic quagmire of dealing with various 
>> charities just to get assistance on some critical needs (medications, etc). 
>> I would like very much to meet the lawyers that made this situation and have 
>> them wear a blindfold for 1 year (you cannot take it off for anything). have 
>> all the members of congress setup this way, all the upper management of the 
>> US Government and all the lawyers for all the charities. 1 year of blindness 
>> and there would certainly be a boatload of changes for the better (such as 
>> public education, better accessibility, better job training and a vastly 
>> more streamlined system of getting things done. 
>> 
>> I would congress read the 70,000 pages of regulations currently on the 
>> books... IN BRAILLE. I think even reading the entire text of the affordable 
>> care act in braille would scare the whole lot of them off the hill.
>> 
>> hehe nice pipedream but it gives you an idea of just how much frustration I 
>> go through EVERY DAY.
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Mar 26, 2012, at 2:39 AM, Lewis Alexander wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Eric,
>>> 
>>> yep I completely agree with you and understand your plite.
>>> 
>>> I was forced to close down the project due to two major factors. Lack of 
>>> support regarding supply of equipment and a poorly run charities commission 
>>> stating different rulings and then telling me that my project does not 
>>> warrant Commission status, thus failing to grant registered numbers, etc.
>>> 
>>> This project has helped a very small number of users (8 in all) and it's 
>>> left me in a very serious situation which I've now resolved.
>>> 
>>> The problem also exists wherever you are in the world. Funding for 
>>> accessible equipment for the blind is non existant. Why? well from my years 
>>> of experience in this matter, various charities set up conflicting 
>>> guidelines and rulings which do not help the individual in need of the 
>>> support. For over 12 years since I lost my sight completely, I had to apply 
>>> for various grants. within 10 years, every grant (500+ in total) were 
>>> rejected, all because of different factors by their own rulings, offerings 
>>> of £100 to £250 towards a product and then not being able to apply to X 
>>> amount of other charities (connected to the associated charity in question) 
>>> due to ridiculous clauses.
>>> 
>>> I use my iphone 3GS and macbook pro. the only reason I have these is 
>>> through having to sell everything I owned including my old music gear from 
>>> years ago to raise the funds for the kit needed, from there it's been a 
>>> thing of taking on a few projects to raise cash for equipment I still have 
>>> to rely on.
>>> 
>>> internationally, we need to change the system and yes APPLE needs to help 
>>> us out on this. They have developed products which openly and directly 
>>> support blind and disabled users and yet we have to pay an absolute 
>>> premium, as rightly said here, over 85% of blind people in the USA are out 
>>> of work and cannot afford the equipment and services needed, the same here 
>>&g

Re: iPad, iPhone, Mac for the blind

[Eric Oyen]

second reply.

understand that all the other groups want in on this. some of them actually 
have more resources they can draw on that we do not have. 

I tried to petition the state here to allow me to continue my computer skills 
training with a mac and was told they won't support that, even though a number 
of fortune 500 companies use macs in house as their platform of choice (EbAY, 
Yelp, and a few others). I have also been told that the contracts the state has 
with freedom scientific precludes them from getting hardware/software from any 
other vendor. so? this means I am being forced to start training on a system 
that has some huge issues, doesn't work well and generally gets crappier with 
each release. anyone try calling FS lately? half their calls are routed to 
Mumbai, India. Don't even have me go into all the problems that windows has (I 
am well experienced with windows and its design flaws). 

I want a system that is stable and "just works" and macs are as close to that 
as anyone can ever get. all the downtime paid for by the state for windows 
issues represents a non-trivial expenditure every year. last I checked with a 
IT friend of mine in eBAY, their downtime with the mac hardware was only about 
2 days out of the entire year. hell, the windows VM's failed far more often.

so here we are. I want something that will pay for itself in taxpayer savings 
and less downtime and they want to justify their useless jobs.

guess I am getting punchy. haven't slept in 3 days.

-eric

On Mar 26, 2012, at 4:00 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> The problem with what you say is, its not just blind people fighting for that 
> assistance.  You have those with develop mental disabilities, emotional 
> disorders, motor disabilities, and the list goes on.  And they all want there 
> share of the pie.  So the same congressman you have wear a blind fold for a 
> year, will also be asked to sit in a wheel chair for a year.  Wear ear pluges 
> for a year, etc.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On Mar 26, 2012, at 6:53 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> 
>> at least you had stuff to sell. I don't even have that. I would get about 
>> $100 for this machine on the used market. the linux laptop even less. I own 
>> very little, so having capital to work with just isn't happening.
>> 
>> I, too, have run into the bureaucratic quagmire of dealing with various 
>> charities just to get assistance on some critical needs (medications, etc). 
>> I would like very much to meet the lawyers that made this situation and have 
>> them wear a blindfold for 1 year (you cannot take it off for anything). have 
>> all the members of congress setup this way, all the upper management of the 
>> US Government and all the lawyers for all the charities. 1 year of blindness 
>> and there would certainly be a boatload of changes for the better (such as 
>> public education, better accessibility, better job training and a vastly 
>> more streamlined system of getting things done. 
>> 
>> I would congress read the 70,000 pages of regulations currently on the 
>> books... IN BRAILLE. I think even reading the entire text of the affordable 
>> care act in braille would scare the whole lot of them off the hill.
>> 
>> hehe nice pipedream but it gives you an idea of just how much frustration I 
>> go through EVERY DAY.
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Mar 26, 2012, at 2:39 AM, Lewis Alexander wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Eric,
>>> 
>>> yep I completely agree with you and understand your plite.
>>> 
>>> I was forced to close down the project due to two major factors. Lack of 
>>> support regarding supply of equipment and a poorly run charities commission 
>>> stating different rulings and then telling me that my project does not 
>>> warrant Commission status, thus failing to grant registered numbers, etc.
>>> 
>>> This project has helped a very small number of users (8 in all) and it's 
>>> left me in a very serious situation which I've now resolved.
>>> 
>>> The problem also exists wherever you are in the world. Funding for 
>>> accessible equipment for the blind is non existant. Why? well from my years 
>>> of experience in this matter, various charities set up conflicting 
>>> guidelines and rulings which do not help the individual in need of the 
>>> support. For over 12 years since I lost my sight completely, I had to apply 
>>> for various grants. within 10 years, every grant (500+ in total) were 
>>> rejected, all because of different factors by their own rulings, offerings 

Re: iPad, iPhone, Mac for the blind

[Eric Oyen]

ok. I couldn't get that far. something on the site that lists such things kept 
causing my browser to fail. please don't ask me to use another browser as none 
of the others work here reliably (if at all).

so? was he the only one?

it does seem rather odd that only one has served. again, I think it is time to 
change that (and not the kind of change that was promised to us in 2008).

-eric

On Mar 26, 2012, at 4:40 AM, Charlie Doremus wrote:

> Yes, Matthew A. Dunn Congressman from PA 1933-41
> 
> 
> On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 1:32 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> I understand this.
> 
> the question I have to ask here is:
> has there been even a single blind person serving in congress?
> I know of several who were partially deaf, at least one who had to use 
> canes/crutches or a wheel chair.
> 
> so far, my attempt has yielded a lot of irrelevant results and 2 browser 
> crashes do to sites that run flash ads. as far as I can tell, I don't think 
> we have had 1 single blind person ever serve in congress. not a single one. 
> that needs to change.
> 
> -eric
> 
> On Mar 26, 2012, at 4:00 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > The problem with what you say is, its not just blind people fighting for 
> > that assistance.  You have those with develop mental disabilities, 
> > emotional disorders, motor disabilities, and the list goes on.  And they 
> > all want there share of the pie.  So the same congressman you have wear a 
> > blind fold for a year, will also be asked to sit in a wheel chair for a 
> > year.  Wear ear pluges for a year, etc.
> >
> > Ricardo Walker
> > rica...@appletothecore.info
> > Twitter:@apple2thecore
> > www.appletothecore.info
> >
> > On Mar 26, 2012, at 6:53 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> >
> >> at least you had stuff to sell. I don't even have that. I would get about 
> >> $100 for this machine on the used market. the linux laptop even less. I 
> >> own very little, so having capital to work with just isn't happening.
> >>
> >> I, too, have run into the bureaucratic quagmire of dealing with various 
> >> charities just to get assistance on some critical needs (medications, 
> >> etc). I would like very much to meet the lawyers that made this situation 
> >> and have them wear a blindfold for 1 year (you cannot take it off for 
> >> anything). have all the members of congress setup this way, all the upper 
> >> management of the US Government and all the lawyers for all the charities. 
> >> 1 year of blindness and there would certainly be a boatload of changes for 
> >> the better (such as public education, better accessibility, better job 
> >> training and a vastly more streamlined system of getting things done.
> >>
> >> I would congress read the 70,000 pages of regulations currently on the 
> >> books... IN BRAILLE. I think even reading the entire text of the 
> >> affordable care act in braille would scare the whole lot of them off the 
> >> hill.
> >>
> >> hehe nice pipedream but it gives you an idea of just how much frustration 
> >> I go through EVERY DAY.
> >>
> >> -eric
> >>
> >> On Mar 26, 2012, at 2:39 AM, Lewis Alexander wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Eric,
> >>>
> >>> yep I completely agree with you and understand your plite.
> >>>
> >>> I was forced to close down the project due to two major factors. Lack of 
> >>> support regarding supply of equipment and a poorly run charities 
> >>> commission stating different rulings and then telling me that my project 
> >>> does not warrant Commission status, thus failing to grant registered 
> >>> numbers, etc.
> >>>
> >>> This project has helped a very small number of users (8 in all) and it's 
> >>> left me in a very serious situation which I've now resolved.
> >>>
> >>> The problem also exists wherever you are in the world. Funding for 
> >>> accessible equipment for the blind is non existant. Why? well from my 
> >>> years of experience in this matter, various charities set up conflicting 
> >>> guidelines and rulings which do not help the individual in need of the 
> >>> support. For over 12 years since I lost my sight completely, I had to 
> >>> apply for various grants. within 10 years, every grant (500+ in total) 
> >>> were rejected, all because of different factors by their own rulings, 
> >>> offerings of £100 to £250 towards a product and then not being able to 
> &g

Re: copying a wedding dvd

[Eric Oyen]

depending on the type is going to dictate the tools you use. for most data 
dvds, all one needs is a command line app called dd. the command reads like 
this: dd bs=1048576 if=/dev/ of=/Users//dvd.iso

for video DVD's, you may need to use a different tool as you would also have to 
deal with the CSS encoding on the disk itself.

-eric

On Mar 26, 2012, at 8:37 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:

> Is this a video DVD or is it just files on a data DVD? If it's just files 
> then you can copy them like any other files. If it's video then it's a little 
> more work as the copy has to be formatted as a DVD with everything just so.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 3/24/12 8:30 AM, wayne coles wrote:
>> Hello all because this is my first time at trying this can somebody please
>> give me step by step instructions on how to copy the dvd wich is only
>> pictures of the wedding but as a newbe I am not sure on how to do it so
>> thanks in advance for any help
>> 
> 
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